Positions of the vvord Hades that it is the generall place of soules: and holdeth as vvell the godly vvhich are in paradise, as the vvicked that are in Tartarus. With a catalogue of our heresies, from which one word handled by a right Grecian would haue saued vs. To the BB. of England. By Hugh Broughton 1605. Broughton, Hugh, 1549-1612. 1605 Approx. 11 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 9 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2006-02 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A16998 STC 3879 ESTC S119114 99854321 99854321 19735

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eng Future life -- Early works to 1800. Hell -- Early works to 1800. 2005-08 Assigned for keying and markup 2005-09 Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2005-10 Sampled and proofread 2005-10 Text and markup reviewed and edited 2006-01 Batch review (QC) and XML conversion

POSITIONS OF THE VVORD Hades :

THAT IT IS the generall place of Soules : and holdeth as vvell the Godly vvhich are in Paradise , as the vvicked that are in Tartarus .

WITH A CATALOGVE of our heresies , from which one word handled by a right Grecian would haue saued vs.

TO the BB. of England .

BY HVGH BROVGHTON 1605.

OF HADES , THE place of Soules : diuerse speches vvher it is .

1. The Greeks vniuersally since their tongue hath bene in record , holding truly in speach , that mans soule is immortall , Place the soules of the dead in Hades . But vvher they should place it , that could not be knovvē of thē vvhich had not faith to perceaue that by the vvord of God tvvo vvorldes vvere made .

2. Saturne and Iapetus , sent of Iuppiter into Hades , held the other Haemisphere . And Plato in Phaedone proueth that seing the earth is in the middes , Hades ūder the earth , to our Situation , must be as far as the heauens .

3. Eustathius vpō Homer calting Haden for Iapetꝰ the half globe vnseen , shevveth that some place Haden beyond the Ocean . And Homer , in Vlysses iourney to Hades , placeth it beyond the gates of the Sunne .

4. The Greek fathers follovv the Heathen in Phrase : vvho term the place of all dead , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 vnder the ground . Yet they knovv that Abraham and such vvere in the Heauenly city . by Eb. XI . and that doth Basilius confess vpon ps . 15 , & 115 , & 116. & many fathers in fragments vpon the psalmes ioyned to Athanasius . And Athanasius in mo places then tvventie shevveth that Hades to our L. vvas Holy Adams , & holy Abrahams Lodging . And vvhē the Porters of Hades trēbled : in that father , it vvas not for feare least the vvicked should be rid from Gehenna : but least all the faithfull should arise . And Euen Gehēna in Chrysologus is by abuse of term Abrahams Lodg : vvhom & the rich man Eadem regio continebat . VVhat vicinity is to soules in their vvorld vve cannot tell . And as vve see the sun so far off better thē a man distant forty pases : So the speach passeth of Abraham vvith Eleazar that made God his strength , to the tormented : as though there vvere but a dingle , valley , or great ditch betvvixt them : yet theyr listance may be far : though vve must be spoken too : as mans capacity holdeth . And , by our Lords vvarrant , Hades hath Abraham no lesse then the rich man. In that vvord Luc. 16. The Lord allovveth the general notiō of heathē Greek : That Hades is the place of all kynde of Soules : Faithfull & faithles .

5. By Iosephus in Photius Librarj The bosom of Abraham is in Hades : and by the true Philo the Greek Ievv of Alexandria , Abrahā leaving mortality is ioyned to the People of God , enioying vncorruptiō , made equall vnto Angels . And this sentence a late Ievv R. Azarias hath translated into Ebrevv : as being the Ievves comon opinion .

6. The learned Theodoret cōmendeth Platoes iudgment for double iudgments in Hades : ioy for the iust : & prison for the vniust . And he accepteth Platoes terms , though Plato knevv not vvher Hades vvas .

7. The Ievves in Zoar made from Symeon Ben Iochaj , of S. Pauls time , haue Gehenna for the vvicked : & Paradise for the Godly . And no third place . And in Aboth Rabbj Nathan Moses & all faithful are presently caryed to Gods throne . and rest vnder the throne . as the martyrs vnder the Altar . Ap. 6.

8. Our L. confirming the Ievves terme of Paradise , telleth the thief This day shalt thou be vvith me in Paradise . The Ievves vvere taught by Prophets termes for the vvorld to come : and those vvould the holy ghost confirm in the nevv Testament .

9. Some Greek fathers , not knovving Paradise for soules Lodge vsed from the Prophets scholers , thought it opened first to the thief : and so , Hades for the fathers to be a degree Lovver : as doth Basil on pf . 49. yet he checketh himself .

10. S. Paul disputing vvith Ebrevves in their plain maner , to Greeks vvas hard in this Eb. XI . God providing better for vs , that they vvithout vs should not be perfected . He denyed not to Abel , Enoch , Noe , Melchizedek Abrahā , Isaak , Iacob , Moses , Barac , Gedeon , Iepthe , Samson , Samuel , David his 37 vvorthies strong in Battel , the Sareptane , the Sunamite , Elias & vexed prophets , Ananias , Azarias , Misael & Daniel & the Machabees , vvho dyed for hope of the better resurrection , he denied not to these all ioy , that tbe Martyrs had : But disputed hovv the Lavv made nothing perfect in doctrine : vvithout the Gospel manifested vnto vs , seen to the old fathers far off .

11. S. Paul vvas not a Lord of faith , but a teacher . And so he vvas to speak vpon grounds vvhich his enemies could not deny . And he protesteth he bringeth no nevv Principles . That Christ vvas to suffer , & being the first from the dead should shevv Light ūto the vvorld : this vvas all his difference from the Scribes . And his Epistle to the Ebrevves in euery membre combateth vvith the Talmudiqnes : vvhos speaches yf the Greek fathers had knovven , Abrahams Hades had not bene thought , one thought in ioy differing from his Iudaique Paradise : vvherin he vvas equall to Angels .

12. Iosephus Book for Abrahās bosom in Hades , fathered vpon Irenęus , Iustine Martyr , & one Caius elected Bishop of the Gentils , in Photius , sheevveth the Greeks comon opinion : That they took Hades the General to Paradise dise & Gehenna . But vvhen they feared speaches to Rabbins for the thiefes Paradise , & hovv the Patriarks had not perfection vvithout vs. yet Theophilact vvrestleth vvell vp on S. Luc. 23. vvith both poincts . But novv 1400. yeares the Greeks haue staggered : Saying vvell and tottering vpon their ovvn sayings .

13. VVithout knovvledge of Rabbins & Heathen Greeks , none can be a fit Bishop to expoūd soūdly the Ebrevv and the Greek Testament : & to shevv Constantly that Hades is the Generall for Heauen & Hell.

14. The Scribes hold vniuersally that Sheol neuer distinguisheth Lots , but vvhen it is taken for a spedy death , vpon vvickednes : and yet then no sure vvarrant , for to be Hell.

15. Yf any vvill be heaping Christians for Sheol to be Hell , against the most Learned Scribes , Rambam , the greatest Thalmudique that ever vvas : vvho to . 1. 49. in a treatise of repentance svveateth to find the Metaphores for Hell , and all notes of it but neuer durst touch Sheol : yf any vvill make our Barbarous to teach such Rabbins Ebrevv , that mā making us ask off to Turks & Ievves , Laboureth for Machmad more then many thousands that take his pay . And such should be bridled not honoured .

Of the manyfold Haeresies vvhich Hades , holden The vvorld of Soules , generall to Paradise & Gehenna , doth plainly , strongly , & most profitably confute .

1 The Pope thanketh GOD , vvho sent his S. to Hades , to bring the fathers to Paradise : This thāk is foolish . They vvere & are still in Paradise : the ioyfull part of Hades . And they changed not their place , by our Lords passage .

2. Some of ours say : The Church ever held that out L. vvēt to Hell. The Iesuites of Mentz being demaūded of their faith : vvhich is in a Greeke Epistle vvritten by their chief Pater Nicol Serarius vtterly deny that our L. vvēt to vvorse Lodge then the fathers had . And no old Church vvent further that vvay then the Popish . So our Doctrine fayleth , and falleth . And of reformed Churches Breame alone or vvith small company , holdeth Hell , to be named in the Creed .

3. Geneua made them selves rediculous to all Graecia : teaching imposibilities : that our L. vvent to paradise : and not to Hades . As if they vvere men & not Animalia .

4. The same in vvord deny the soules immortality . All Platoniques vvill tell thē that yf the soul be immortall , it must needs go hēce to Hades . Not onely Theodoret named about : but also S. Luc. 16. allovveth Platoes speach . So Geneva tongue denyeth the soules immortality : though it have a mind vndenying of it : and a good hope of the vvorld of Soules : better thē the Ievves : vvhich say Gholā haneshamoth Gholam hanechamoth The vvorld of soules is the vvorld of Solace . But alas they hausmal hop , vvho deny Christ our only hope .

5. Geneva , saying : To descēd to Hell is to haue the torments of Hell : vvould be rediculous to three thousand yeares Greek : none euer tooke it so . Therin they do them selves exceeding great iniury : shevving that they misse in vveighty matter : against the Perpetuall vse of the speach .

6. The same teaching in this order that our L. suffred : vvas crucified dead and buryed , and suffred : Make the Penner of the Creed to be no Logician : that knevv not in vvhat order things vvere to be spoken .

7. The Soules immortality should specially be opened in the Creed : that the body being declared , hovv it vvas crucified dead , & buryed : this article vvas needfull : That our Lord his soule vvent vnto the Father . That doth the Greek in speach of the faithfull , signify . This goodly article the Geneveans exclude .

8. The assertion that our L. suffred Hell torments , appeareth not true by any Scripture . True modesty vvould looke to Scripture phrases in handling our redemtion . The WORD telleth our L. his danger , shame and reproch , vvere vnspeakable : and that God left him ps . 22. vnto paynes and contumelies there set dovvn . But that GOD forsooke him : that is our ovvne term . The vvord is Leaue . And the psalme expoundeth the vvord . And Shabak in the Gospell , Syriaque and in Dan. 4. is plainly to leaue . As to leave the stumpes of the tree in the ground .

9. Calvins vncircūspect vvordes herein gaue Papists much advātage : and troubled all Churches . Greek skill for one vvord vvould haue holpen all .

10. Purgatory falleth vvhē . Hades Lodgeth all soules departed : & can haue but Paradise & Gehenna for them .

11. Archb. VVhitgift , vvas vvise vvhen he obteyned by Syr Iulius Caesar Q. Elizabeths hand for M. Ieffrey K. felovv of the Kinges Colledge to passe ouer sea to cōfesse his haeresy : vvhile he denyed descēding to Hel in the Creed to mean in a Barbarous & shamefull translation a going vp to Paradise . And he vvas thankfull in promise of 400 Lib. ꝑ annū : to his Catechizer . So that he vvould stir no more in the matter . Archb. VVhitg . vvas vvell Learned in the comon kind : and could see . When he the Arch. yeelded , the inferior BB. should haue done so :