we the servants and faithfull witnesses of the most high god ... howgill, francis, 1618-1669. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a77974 of text r170174 in the english short title catalog (wing b6057a). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 4 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 1 1-bit group-iv tiff page image. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a77974 wing b6057a estc r170174 45789193 ocm 45789193 172506 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a77974) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 172506) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 2636:5) we the servants and faithfull witnesses of the most high god ... howgill, francis, 1618-1669. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 1 sheet ([1] p.) s.n., [dublin : 1655] title begins first line of text. signed: sent forth the 23 of the 12 m. ... dublin ... francis howgill & edward burrough. date of publication suggested by wing. reproduction of original in: friends' library (london, england). eng quakers -persecutions -early works to 1800. broadsides -england -17th century. a77974 r170174 (wing b6057a). civilwar no we the servants and faithfull witnesses of the most high god, called and chosen of him, and redeemed out of nations, kindreds, tongues, and burrough, edward 1655 852 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 a this text has no known defects that were recorded as gap elements at the time of transcription. 2008-07 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2008-07 spi global keyed and coded from proquest page images 2008-08 john pas sampled and proofread 2008-08 john pas text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-09 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion we the servants and faithfull witnesses of the most high god , called and chosen of him , and redeemed out of nations , kindreds , tongues , and people ; who are ministers of the word of life and reconciliation ; and messengers of glad tidings , and salvation unto captive and weary soules ; ( our glorying is only in the lord , and not in our selves ) who are by the world in scorn called quakers ; who are at this present in outward bonds for the testimony of jesus christ : in dublin ; and who have been in the labour and travell of the gospell of god this six moneths and upward , in the nation of jreland according to the will of god ordained here unto ; and moved and commanded by his eternal spirit , into this his worke for the seeds sake which is not of this world , to the gathering of it into the fold of everlasting peace ; & to the clearing of the lord from the blood of his enemies , that they may be lest without excuse , by his powerfull word given unto us and uttered by us , ( and herein we are a good savour to god both in them that perish , & in them that beleeve ) and for this cause have we denied our dearest and nearest relations ; and loves not our lives unto death , that our testimony we may finish , which is committed to us of the lord , and because of this are we labourers under many burthens , & travellers in many afflictions , and sufferings , and are abundantly reproached , and our lords truth of which we bear witnes , greatly infamed by many slandering and backbiting tongues ; espetially by the thachers and professed ministers in the eares of their people and hearers ; slandering us with being jesuits , and deceivers , and seducers , and heriticks , and blasphemers , and witches and such like : and we of those false accusations being clear , and our lords truth ( the testimony which we hold ) wholy innocent ; and are wiling to be tried and proved , & made manifest to the inhabitants of this city & nation , in the sight of god ; this therefore are we moved to give forth ; & hereby in the name of our liveing eternal god ; of heaven , and earth ( whom we serve , & worship in that way which is called herisie ) doe send it abroad , as a challenge to all you teachers , and pretended ministers , of what sort & form so-ever , and to all you people whom it may really conscerne ; and especially to all you , in the city of dublin , & places else where in jreland to whom this may come . that you meet us , in the city of dublin , at some publique place at a convenient time appointed by you ; at which place & time , if the lord permit , ( by the permission of the counsel of jreland whose prisoners we are ) we shall you meet then , and there to have a faier and sober dispute , in the presence of all people , who may desire to be informed or satisfied concerning us , and you , in these things whereof you can accuse us , and also of those things , by way of sober questions , which we have to propound to you , not for any end to our selves , nor to set up a kingdome of our own , god is our witnes , but that the way of our god may be made manifest , and all deceit , and error discovered , and all people may be informed the way to salvation , and as you are true to your god and will answer for him ; and are willing to be made manifest in your way of worship , and doctrin , and ministry , you are not to neglect ; but here-in to answer our desires , and the desires of many hundreds ; that you and we may be made manifest in the sight of god , to all mens consciences , who are in truth and who are in error : that shame and condemnation may come upon the guilty , & truth may be exalted over all deceit . sent forth the 23 of the 12 m from the sarjent at armes his house in dublin . given under our hands who are prisoners for the testimony of jesus , whose names in the flesh are francis howgill , & edward burrough . you are desired to send your answer of these propositions to us , and if you consent to meet us , let sufficient notice be given abroad ; that the jnhabitants of the city and countrey may know five or six dayes time before . a seasonable word of advice unto all that are or may through the subtlety of the enemy, backslide from the truth edward burroughs. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30540 of text r15017 in the english short title catalog (wing b6023). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 8 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 1 1-bit group-iv tiff page image. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30540 wing b6023 estc r15017 12035087 ocm 12035087 52873 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30540) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 52873) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 861:21) a seasonable word of advice unto all that are or may through the subtlety of the enemy, backslide from the truth edward burroughs. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 1 sheet ([1] p.) s.n., [s.l. : 1660?] reproduction of original in huntington library. broadside. eng society of friends -doctrines. broadsides a30540 r15017 (wing b6023). civilwar no a seasonable word of advice unto all that are or may through the subtlety of the enemy, backslide from the truth. burrough, edward 1658 1713 28 0 0 0 0 0 163 f the rate of 163 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the f category of texts with 100 or more defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-07 emma (leeson) huber sampled and proofread 2004-07 emma (leeson) huber text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-10 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a seasonable word of advice unto all that are or may through the subtlety of the enemy , backslide from the truth . when the life in you all doth arise , it shall witnesse me , and answer the word of the lord unto life , or unto death : friends , all you to whom the word of the lord came , and unto whom the way of truth was made manifest , hear and consider how great hath the love of the father been unto you , how many and ●nfinite hath been his mercies from day to day ; often visiting you ●●th his power , and with his presence , yea when you sate in darknesse 〈◊〉 in the shadow of death , his merveilous light appeared unto you ; ●●d when you were held captive in the covenant of sinne and death , he stretched forth his hand to redeem you , he loved you while you ●●ew him not ; and he brought deliverance out of a strange land , wh●●● yee were strayed among devourers , and scattered as sheep with●●t a shepheard , yea when yee were dead in transgressions , he sa●● unto you live , and he bound you up , when no eye pitied you , ●●en when you were enemies to him ; walking in the vanities of yo●● own hearts , and knew not him that lives for ever , who had 〈◊〉 sought of you , but not found , in the very day he sent to visi●●ou , with his everlasting gospel of peace and truth , to ga●●er you unto himself ( i am a witnesse ) and he caused his powerful voice to be heard , and his name to be published among you , ●●d his truth was declared in the demonstration of the spirit , and the power of the lord was made manifest in you , to the bringing ●f you from darknesse to light , and from death , which had reigned ●●er you , to know a measure of the life of god ; yea the way ●f life eternal was set before you , that you might not perish , but 〈◊〉 , and his witnesse in you all , which is but one , the word of the lord reached unto , by the mouth of his servants , to the reveal●●● sinne , and judging it by his righteous law set up in your ●earts , causing his terrour to be known among you , and his judgem●nts reached your hearts ; and in that day beautiful was his pre●ence unto you , and precious was his truth among you , in your first ●●ve , and his light and power ; and the knowledge of his wayes ●ere pleasant to you , and the seed of the kingdome of god you rec●●ved with joy , grew up in you , and you prospered at that day , ●nd the lord loved you , and his presence was with you , as among h●● own children , whom he begate by his everlasting word , that ●ou should be a praise unto him for ever ; and then the fear of the 〈◊〉 , and his judgements were placed among you , and your ●earts were broken , and while you were of a hungering soul , and thirsty after the lord , then was it well with you , and the day of peace dawned unto you , and the word of the lord was swe●t unto you , and he was gladly received , that cometh in the name of the lord : but , oh ! how have some of you lost your first love , and are again darkened , and ready to faint , and to turn aside for a thing of naught , and how doth such grieve the spirit of the lord , and vex his righteous soul , and are become a burden to him , in dishonouring his name , the envious man having entred and sowen his seed in some of you , and brought forth strife , and divisions , and disorders among you , which is not of the father , nor of the truth ; and prejudice , and evil surmisings , and secret jealousies one against another is risen in you all , which is to be condemned with the light , for the fire : i judge it all under my feet in the power of the lord god , and is in that which reignes over it all ; and thorow these things unity is decayed , and love is waxen cold , and there is a fainting in the way , and that zeal for the name of the lord perisheth , which ought to be among you , and rendings , and tearings , back-biting , and devouring one another ; and striving for mastery , there is which ought not to be , which the wrath of god is against ; all this is out of the light , out of the wisdome and counsel of god : my spirit is vexed , and my heart is troubled within me , because of these things ( not for my self but for you , and for the glory of the lord ) over whom i am jealous with a godly jealousie , that you may not perish , nor his glory be despised among the heathen . what mean you thus to deal against the lord , in dishonouring his name in the sight of the enemy , even to the wounding of your own souls , and to the piercing the heart of the faithful , who hath watched over you , and been messengers of glad tidings unto you from the lord ; every one of you in particular be awakened and stirred up , and fear before the lord , and come to the light which the son of god hath lighted you with all , and search your own hearts , and try your selves , that the ground of these things may be seen , and condemned , and removed , and love may yet spring amongst you to the lord , and one to another : oh friends consider , it was one father that begate you into the truth , which is but one , by one word of life , which is not divided ; and you were begotten to live unto him , and not unto your selves ; and christ jesus which is but one , the same to day , yesterday , and for ever ; who is the foundation of god , and abides for ever , was preached unto you all , to be the way , the truth , the life and salvation , and there is none besides him ; why then are these divisions among you , and some for one , and some for another , and herein are you carnal , and your minds abroad , and not stayed upon him that gives the encrease , and all this is to be judged with the life of god : wherefore i beseech you in the fear of the lord , as you love him and his glory , yea as you love your own souls , come to the light which lets you see all this , and condemne it , and strive not one with another , nor exalt not your selves above another ; but let all this be condemned , and all your evil surmisings , and foolish jealousies , and secret whisperings , and back-bitings , be brought to judgement , and let condemnation passe upon it all , never more to appear , to hinder the fellowship of the lord , and know the life of god in you all , which is but one , which is not at strife , nor divided ; and let that arise , that all vails may be taken off , and hardnesse of heart judged , and the countenance of the lord may shine upon you ; when that exalted spirit which hath appeared in some , is brought down ; of which i charge you all to be aware ; lest there be a total departing from the lord , and his name be reproached through you among the heathen , and it had been better for such that they had never been born . therefore i say unto all , lay it to heart ▪ till the judgements of the lord take it away , and purifie your hearts from all these things , which ariseth out of that which is not of the father ; that my joy may be renewed , who have been in travel for you , till christ be formed ; that he alone may rule in you , over all these things which is at enmity against your life , and hinders your growth ; and if you yet harden your hearts against reproof , who are stubborn : well the lord will ease himself of his adversaries , and break you as a potters vessel , and though you oppresse the life of god for a moment , yet my peace with him shall these things never take away ; but over all these things i tread , and am not offended in him , who is my peace for evermore ; and though these things cause sadnesse of heart , yet the lord gives no cause of sorrow to them that are faithful to him ; but will arise to confound all deceit , and deceitful workers , who erreth from his way , and counteth the knowledge of his way as a burden ; and of you all , though you perish , i am clear , who is not hated of the lord , though falsly judged by his enemies , over whom i trample as the dust , and the living god gives victory over them all . i am not of this world . edward burroughs . an epistle to friends of truth in and about london written by edward burroughs, in the year, 1661 ... burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 1667 approx. 12 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 4 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. text creation partnership, ann arbor, mi ; oxford (uk) : 2004-11 (eebo-tcp phase 1). a30521 wing b6000 estc r14717 12034821 ocm 12034821 52866 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30521) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 52866) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 861:11) an epistle to friends of truth in and about london written by edward burroughs, in the year, 1661 ... burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 7 p. [s.n.], london : 1667. reproduction of original in huntington library. created by converting tcp files to tei p5 using tcp2tei.xsl, tei @ oxford. re-processed by university of nebraska-lincoln and northwestern, with changes to facilitate morpho-syntactic tagging. gap elements of known extent have been transformed into placeholder characters or elements to simplify the filling in of gaps by user contributors. eebo-tcp is a partnership between the universities of michigan and oxford and the publisher proquest to create accurately transcribed and encoded texts based on the image sets published by proquest via their early english books online (eebo) database (http://eebo.chadwyck.com). the general aim of eebo-tcp is to encode one copy (usually the first edition) of every monographic english-language title published between 1473 and 1700 available in eebo. eebo-tcp aimed to produce large quantities of textual data within the usual project restraints of time and funding, and therefore chose to create diplomatic transcriptions (as opposed to critical editions) with light-touch, mainly structural encoding based on the text encoding initiative (http://www.tei-c.org). the eebo-tcp project was divided into two phases. the 25,363 texts created during phase 1 of the project have been released into the public domain as of 1 january 2015. anyone can now take and use these texts for their own purposes, but we respectfully request that due credit and attribution is given to their original source. users should be aware of the process of creating the tcp texts, and therefore of any assumptions that can be made about the data. text selection was based on the new cambridge bibliography of english literature (ncbel). if an author (or for an anonymous work, the title) appears in ncbel, then their works are eligible for inclusion. selection was intended to range over a wide variety of subject areas, to reflect the true nature of the print record of the period. in general, first editions of a works in english were prioritized, although there are a number of works in other languages, notably latin and welsh, included and sometimes a second or later edition of a work was chosen if there was a compelling reason to do so. image sets were sent to external keying companies for transcription and basic encoding. quality assurance was then carried out by editorial teams in oxford and michigan. 5% (or 5 pages, whichever is the greater) of each text was proofread for accuracy and those which did not meet qa standards were returned to the keyers to be redone. after proofreading, the encoding was enhanced and/or corrected and characters marked as illegible were corrected where possible up to a limit of 100 instances per text. any remaining illegibles were encoded as <gap>s. understanding these processes should make clear that, while the overall quality of tcp data is very good, some errors will remain and some readable characters will be marked as illegible. users should bear in mind that in all likelihood such instances will never have been looked at by a tcp editor. the texts were encoded and linked to page images in accordance with level 4 of the tei in libraries guidelines. copies of the texts have been issued variously as sgml (tcp schema; ascii text with mnemonic sdata character entities); displayable xml (tcp schema; characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or text strings within braces); or lossless xml (tei p5, characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or tei g elements). keying and markup guidelines are available at the text creation partnership web site . eng society of friends -england. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-07 emma (leeson) huber sampled and proofread 2004-07 emma (leeson) huber text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-10 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion an epistle to friends of truth in and about london . writen by edward borroughs , in the year , 1661. and now is published for the further service of those unto whom it is directed , and whom it doth more particularly concern ; and also may be of service unto all ( elsewhere ) who love the truth , as it is in christ jesus . london , printed in the year , 1667. to the friends of truth in and about london . dearly and well-beloved in christ our life and glory , the spirit of the lord is upon me , and at this time quickeneth my heart into the lively remembrance of you all , herewith sending the hearty and fervent salutation of my dear and perfect love , unto all the faithful amongst you ; for the fathers love filleth my heart , and hath raised up my spirit into an holy frame and temper of gladness and rejoycing , of great joy and comfort in the remembrance and feeling sence of what the lord hath wrought and made manifest among his people , and the fulness of his love and rejoycing floweth out in praysing and magnifying the lord our god for evermore . oh what hath the lord wrought for us in our day ! how hath his out-stretched arm been made bare again and again for our salvation and deliverance ? how many have his mercies been , and how numberless have his loving kindnesses been shewed to us ? how hath his power and wisdom been discovered amongst his people , by which we are quickned and revived into the life of righteousness and peace , to be servants and heirs of the everlasting father , the lord of heaven and earth , being called by him out of darkness into his marvellous light ? and how glorious is the light that hath appeared upon our tabernacle , and shined in our hearts , and that hath led us in the way of peace , and taught us in the path of righteousness ; thus and much more hath the hand of the lord wrought for us , having raised us up to be a people , that in times past were not a people ; but now he hath formed us for himself , and created us for his praise , having gathered us as a shepherd doth his flock from our strayed estate , in which we were strangers and afar off , inhabiting in death and darkness , but now raised up to sit together in heavenly places , and to feed in the fat pastures of his fulness that filleth all in all . this hath been effected by the hand and power of the most high , who hath also preserved us unto this day through many tryals and tribulations ; and again and again , when our enemies have risen up against us to destroy us , even then hath the lord been our defence , and confounded our persecutors , so that we yet live , blessed is the name of the lord , the remembrance of which infinite tender mercies from the father , that we have received , have a heavenly influence upon my heart at this time , which causeth me to say , what manner of love is this ! oh the height , and depth , and infiniteness of the same ! the beauty thereof hath ravished my heart , the strength thereof hath overcome me , and the virtue thereof hath overcome me , and the vertue thereof hath filled my soul ; and this is the present frame of my spirit ; full of love and good will to the lord god , and to all his saints , and particularly unto you , unto whom my spirit desireth in the lord the increase of peace , and mercies , and blessings , and all heavenly virtue unto you all , for i am under particular engagements unto you more than unto many . 1. because my labour and service in the work of the gospel hath been more amongst you than amongst others ; even for divers years have i been conversant among you , in the administration of the gift of the gospel , by dispensing the word of life , to the converting of some , and to the strengthning and cofirming of others in the way of the lord. and let the just god bear witness of that faithfulness , and integrity and sincerity of heart , in which he hath carried me amongst you , while many pretious dayes i have passed away with you , and have not sought yours but you , nor do i desire ought concerning you , but your faithfulness to the lord , and your growth and establishment in the wisdom of christ jesus , and that blessings and peace may ever rest with you . and seeing it is thus that some of my pretious years in the service of god , have been spent amongst you ; therefore is my heart and spirit engaged to you-wards , even while i live , to advise you , and exhort you , and to pray for you , that you may be sound in the faith , and established in the truth , and confirmed in the possession that never fades away . 2. in respect of that place of your outward residence , ( that great city i mean ) where satans seat is , and where wickedness abounds , and many temptations and provocations , which may attempt to draw you from the lord. i do know the dangers are many which may easily be met withall in that place . there is both the love , glory and excellency of this world near unto you ; and also the terrours , threats , losses and persecutions of this evil world even dwelling with you , all which may work upon some many fears and doubts , and beget temptations to the denying of the lord ; and seeing the danger is such to you-wards in that place , even more than to some others , therefore is my soul engaged to admonish , and instruct , and pray for your preservation unto the end , that ye may walk as the lords , and to his glory . 3. and also my desires are for you , that blessings and peace may be multiplied unto you , and that you may walk in the wisdom and power of the lord in this respect , that truth may be honoured , and crown'd with dominion and authority , and good report in that great city , by your faithfulness , and patience , and diligence , and all the fruits of righteousness ; for as many temptations do attend you ( as i have said before ) so also many eyes are upon you , beholding what you are , and what you do , and what will become of you , and if you walk in faithfulness and righteousness , and be preserved unto the lord in boldness and valour for his names sake , this will magnifie the truth , and crown it with honour , and strengthen and comfort many that are weak , and be a joy to all the upright , and it will confound your enemies , and put them to shame , and limit the unreasonable spirit of the power of darkness , when our enemies see your just , faithful , righteous and inoffensive manner of walking in all things . and therefore for this cause , my heart is engaged to pray for you , seeing the eyes of many are upon you to mark your wayes and doings , and what will be the end . and now , dearly beloved , as by the free grace and kindness of god ye are called unto this calling , and are renewed and changed into the life of righteousness ; so it is by the same grace and power of the father , that ye must stand and be preserved unto the end ; for by grace and faith we all stand , even through diligence , faithfulness , and watchfulness in the same grace , being obedient to its teachings , and fruitful in its motions , and walking by its rule , in meekness and lowliness of heart , in sincerity and godly fear , not being or doing any thing of our selves , distinct or divided from this grace , but being and doing all things , through the grace of god dwelling in us , and this is the highest perfection of saints ; every ones highest state admits of watchfulness , and faithfulness , and obedience , and to hearken to the lord , and do his will in all things ; and whatsoever is of our selves , and related to the outward world , may be kept in subjection by his power , that he alone may rule and be exalted in heaven and earth , and in all things , what we are , and what we do : and wait upon the lord that ye may be established , and setled in the truth , and that ye may be confirmed therein for ever , as being natural heirs of the possession of grace and truth , to do , and walk , and live according to his will , being so inherited , never to go forth any more , and able to say , nothing can separate us from the love of god ; not death , nor life , nor any other thing : for i would put you in mind , and ye also know it , how that many have been touched in their hearts with the sence of the lord , and his love , yea , and many have enjoyed of the good gift of god , and walked with us for a time , that have not remained unto the end , but have started aside from the lord , and been overcome with the temptations of this world , even to the forsaking of the way of truth and righteousness , and such have dishonoured the lord , and forfeited their peace and inheritance in god , and become hardned in their hearts , and dead to god , and the latter end of such hath been worse than their begining ; though yet for a time such walked with us , and tasted of the good gifts of god , yet are become reprobate , because their hearts have not been firm , and constant , and sound , and approved to god , but of an evil frame and temper of spirit ; ambitious , vain-glorious , self-seeking , and such like , which spirit could not retain the gift of god , but abused it and perverted it from its proper end . and therefore , dearly beloved , it is exceeding pretious to have a heart and spirit , tryed and approved of the lord ; a good and honest heart , an upright and contrite spirit , for that will abide in faithfulness unto god through all tribulations and trials , if the the heart be right in the sight of god , whatsoever the knowledge be , and whether the gifts be little or great , yet the lords presence is there , and such are blessed ; so that it s not enough , only to have a touch and taste of the loving kindness of god , but every one must be established therein , in an approved heart and tried spirit , which can endure all things and not be shaken nor moved , and its only that kind of spirit , which is meek and lowly , sincere and upright , which is established in the truth , and which only can remain unmovable . and according to the antient doctrine of christ , which ye have believed , every one must look to your own particular standing ▪ and must feel your own particular joy , peace and comfort , and must receive the assurance of life in your own souls ; for it is an everlasting word , every one must stand by their own , by what they feel and enjoy of eternal life in their own hearts , that only is every ones security and assurance in the kingdom of peace and glory ; and it is the height of perfection , to have the seal of the spirit of god in our consciences ; witnessing to us , that we are the lords : and blessed are they that have this testimony , even that of the spirit of the father , which is the everlasting comforter against all sorrow , and the perfect seal against all doubts , and the sure guide against all opposition . this is the office of the spirit of the lord , and its work in the hearts of his children ; therefore my advice is to you as from the beginning , look to your own , to your own measure of the gift of grace and truth , that only stands , when all wandrings after men and things fall , and in that is your security , as i have said . and let your conversations and walkings be such as becometh the gospel of christ , in all faithfulness and righteousness , that you may be an honour to the lord in your generation ; for this only have we to do in this world , even to shew forth his praise and glory , who hath created us in christ jesus . all things in relation to truth are well in these countries ; the dominion of truth is set up over the heads of the wicked , and it is a terrour to its enemies , and the joy of all good men ; and friends are faithful in the power of the lord , and look over this world , to the world that hath no end , and their hope and confidence is in that ; and meetings are generally quiet , and the presence of the lord is amongst his people . and thus to the grace , power and wisdom of the lord god are ye committed , who is the only preserver of all his children . grace and peace be with you all . e. b. underbarrow , the 18th . day of the 8th . month , 1661. the end . a message to all kings and rulers in christendom burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30535 of text r24243 in the english short title catalog (wing b6014). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 16 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 5 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30535 wing b6014 estc r24243 08092636 ocm 08092636 40828 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30535) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 40828) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 1224:11) a message to all kings and rulers in christendom burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 8 p. s.n., [london? : 1659?] caption title. signed: edward burrough. reproduction of original in the cambridge university library. eng christianity and politics. europe -politics and government -17th century. a30535 r24243 (wing b6014). civilwar no a message to all kings and rulers in christendom. burrough, edward 1659 3137 1 0 0 0 0 0 3 b the rate of 3 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the b category of texts with fewer than 10 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-01 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-02 john latta sampled and proofread 2004-02 john latta text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a message to all kings and rulers in christendom . to all ( called ) christian kings and princes , and to all the parliaments and rulers and governours of every degree , throughout the whole christian world . a call unto you all by a servant of the lord , in the name of the lord god , dreadful and mighty , and the highest power over all the world , that ye take off oppression , and relieve the oppressed , and cease to grinde the face of the poor , and from drinking the whores cup , and from carrying of her , and from all oppressions whatsoever , least the lord god almighty execute his fierce indignation upon you , if yee will not turn at his reproof , and hearken to his voyce when he calleth unto you . forasmuch as it hath come to passe in the world for many ages since the last glorious appearance of christ jesus , and the light of his glorious gospel , through his servants the holy apostles , that antichrist , that man of sin , the enemy of christ and his kingdom , hath ruled in the hearts of people , and throughout & over the christian world , and he hath been exalted within and without , ever since the falling away from the true faith , which once was delivered to the apostles and true churches , and he hath shewed himselfe to be god , and hath sitten in the seat of god , and hath exercised lordship over the persons and consciences of men , throughout generations , ever since the falling away from the faith ; for the true church , the elected spouse , the lambs wife , which once brought forth him that was to rule the nations , and was clothed with the sun , and had once great beauty and excellency , hath been fled into the wildernesse , and hath been desolate as without husband and issue ; but hath remained in her place , prepared her of god , where she hath dwelt in mourning , and been fed with the bread of sorrow , being pursued thither by the dragon and his floods of cruelty , who also waited to devour the man childe when he was born , and the martyrs blood hath been shed , and the holy prophets , and apostles and saints , have been made war against , and killed & persecuted for righteousnesse sake , and the two witnesses have long laid slain and rejoyced over in the streets of the great city , and the blood of the innocent hath been drunk , and the lamb and his followers hath been made war against , and the dragon , the devil and satan hath deceived the world , into the name of christians , without true christian life , and righteousnesse and truth hath stood afar off , and justice and mercy hath been wanting , and the fear of the lord and true obedience to him hath been in a great measure expelled out of nations , and even all that would not worship the beast and his images , and receive his mark , the beast hath had power to kill them , and he hath had power to execute his wrath against them that have followed the lamb , even all this time of darknesse and apostacy which hath over-shadowed the christian world , since the apostles dayes until this time ; and all this hath been since the falling away from the life and righteousnesse and spirit of jesus , as i have said , and the beast hath been great that arose out of the sea , and out of the earth , ( when the true faith was lost ) and his power mighty amongst men , for he received power from the dragon , that made war against the true church , and sought to devour the man childe , and power hath been given him over kindreds tongues and nations , and all the world hath wondered and followed after the beast , and have been admiring his power and his great authority , and saying , who is able to make war with him , for hee hath had a mouth given that hath spoken great things , and it hath been given him to war with the saints , and to overcome them by his unrighteous laws and decrees , and all that dwelt upon the earth hath worshipped him , whose names are not written in the book of life , and he hath had many heads , ( even divers sorts and changes of government ) and many horns , with which he hath pushed the innocent , and ruled over the earth , and kept all under his power , and he hath set up images to worship and likenesses without life , and he hath caused both small and great , rich and poor , free and bond , to receive his mark , and he hath carried the whore , and she hath journeyed upon him from nation to nation through the earth , in the sheeps clothing , and made all nations drink her cup of fornications , and the whore , that false church , she hath sate as a queen , in great state and authority upon nations , tongues , multitudes and peoples , and through the beasts authority , which hath carried her , she hath ruled in great authority over the consciences , persons and estates of people , and she hath drunk the saints blood , and the martyrs blood , and in her is found even until this day the blood of the martyrs and the prophets , and of just men , and of all that hath been slain upon the earth , and she hath exercised cruelty and tyranny over the heritage of god , and she hath had the sheeps clothing upon her , even part of the garment of the lambs wife , and she hath appeared in much beauty with a golden cup in her hand , in which the wine of her fornications , and the filthinesse thereof hath appeared , and which she hath caused the nations to drink , and by her sorceries and witchcrafts she hath deceived the world , and with her false miracles , and shews and images and false ministers which she hath set up , she hath corrupted the earth , and all this she hath done by the beasts power , that hath carried her , who received his authority from the dragon , and from the devil ; and thus antichrist , the beast and the whore have ruled in the world in great authority for many generations , and the world hath been as a wildernesse by them , and waste , and barren of all good fruit , truth and faith hath been departed from amongst men , and love and peace hath been far away , and murders , thefts , wars , strifes and all injustice and wickednesse hath abounded in nations , and thus the whole earth hath been corrupted through the whore and false church , who hath deceived kings and rulers and peoples by her inchantments and sorceries , which she hath caused them to receive at her hand , and out of her golden cup of abominations , out of which they have drunk false doctrines and practises to the deceiving of their soules and bodies ; but now the day of the lord is come and coming , and the lambs kingdom is to be set up , and the kingdoms of this world must be changed and recovered again , and will become the kingdoms of the lord , and of his christ , and the marriage of the lamb is come again , and the day of glad tydings unto the poor and to the distressed , and the lambs wife , shal be adorned for her husband , she shall be cloathed with the sun , and shall be covered with her former beauty , and shall be led out of the wilderness , and the earth shall be refreshed and delivered from the oppressions and tyrannies of antichrist and the whore , for the hour of her judgements are come , and the darknesse of the night of woful apostacy which hath clouded the world is passing over , and the light of the lamb is risen , and the day-star hath appeared in the hearts of people , and the man of sin which hath sate in the temple , and shewed himself to be god , and falsly exercised the bodies and consciences of deceived people in false wayes and worships , is discovering and destroying by the spirit of his mouth , and by the brightnesse of the coming of jesus , and the beast and the false prophet shall be taken alive and cast into the lake of fire , and the beast and false prophet shall be tormented day and night for ever , for the breath of life from god is entered into the two witnesses , and they shall again prophesie , and the light of the glorious gospel that hath long been hid , must again be preached to kindreds tongues and nations , and the kingdom of christ jesus must be set up , and these things is the lord god almighty bringing to passe , and he will confound and destroy antichrist and all that have worshiped him , and they that have worshiped the beast , and drunken the cup of fornication , and committed idolatry with the great whore , they shall be taken and cast into the bed of torment , and shall weep and howl , because of the great destruction of babylon that great city who hath been the glory of kingdoms , and made rich her merchants ( the false ministers ) with deceivablenes , whom god will overthrow ; that great fenced city of confusion ( the false church ) that great whore , the mother of all abominations , the lord god is risen against her , to enquire for the blood of martyres , and prophets , and righteous men , that is found in her , and she shall be rewarded according to her wayes , and as she hath given others to drink the cup of fornication , so in like manner shal she drink the cup of fierceindignation of the lords wrath from his saints , and she shall no more deceive the nations by her sorceries , but the earth shall be delivered from her , and the kingdom of the son of god shall be exalted over all , and the light of the lamb shall be the light of all nations , and all that are saved shall walk in the light of it , and truth shall reign , and the fruit of righteousnesse shall abound , and all people shall glorifie god their maker , and the whole earth shall be refreshed with the mercy of him that made her . wherefore all ye kings , princes , parliaments , rulers through whole christendom , this is a request unto you all of a lover of immortal soules , that you will cease to commit fornication with the great whore , & that you wil not any longer drink her cup of idolatries , neither that you wil causenations to drink it , neither that you will carry the great whore any more , nor receive her sorceries and inchantments to deceive your soules and bodies , and this the lord god almighty ( who ought to be the fear & dread of all nations ) requireth of you , and it is a charge to you in the presence of the lord god , that ye do not any longer defend the great city babylon , and the false church with your weapons of cruelty and oppression , neither that you will ever any more oppresse the persons and consciences of people on her part and on her defence , but that you will wholly cast off the whore , and not suffer her to sit upon you , and that you will not be servants to her , to execute her cruelties upon the bodies and consciences of people ; for these things have you done , and therefore is the lord displeased with you , and therefore deliver your selves from the abominations of the folse church , and receive not her delusions , neither impose them upon the peoples under you , for now the judgements of the great whore is come , and the time that the lord will reward her according to her wayes , and she shall have of the fruit of her doings , and if you will yet uphold her , and commit fornication with her , and compel the nations to drink of her cup , and cause all people to worship the beast , and to receive his mark as it hath been , then the lord shall execute his vengeance upon you , and you shall in no wise be deiivered ; wherefore i say again unto you , arise out of darknesse , and come to the brightnesse of the light of the morning , even to the sons appearance , and receive his kingdom , and lay down your crowns at his feet , for the lamb is risen whose crown is immortal , and ye and all your glory , and greatness , and honor , and power is but as dust & ashes before him , and he can break you down & never build you up again ; and come out of great babylon , and forsake your city , for the day of the lord will sudenly come upon you , for great babylon is come into remembrance before the lord to reward her with great indignation ; wherefore this is a call unto you , lay aside your inquisitions , your goales and houses of correction , and prisons , and all your torturing , and persecuting of the persons and consciences of people about worship , church and ministry , for in these things and by these weapons you have defended the whore , and through the force of your violent laws , and cruel impositions unjustly laid upon people , have the whore ( the false church ) been carried by you , and defended by you ; but lay aside all your cruel weapons , and not persecute nor kill , nor shed the blood of the servants of the lord , by unjust laws , nor limit not the spirit of god from crying against babylon , and reproving her iniquities , for these things have you done in defence of the whore , for you have been the carriers of her , the defenders and preserves of her by your unrighteous laws , and through you hath she sat as a queen , thinking she should nere see sorrow , because ye have defended her , and taken part with her , and caused nations to drink her cup , for you have been the exec●t●rs of her pleasure , to compel the nations to commit idolatry , and to partake of her fornications , and you give her authority to drink the blood of all that would not drink her cup , and it is now time to forsake these your wayes , and to learn wisdom from the lord , that you may rule in righteousnesse amongst men , as men , but not to be rulers in christs throne , nor his kingdom , by imposing such a worship , and such a religion upon peoples consciences , and to destroy and kill all that will not thus worship to your image , and bow according to your prescription , this ye ought not to do , nor the lord never intrusted you with this power , nor made you rulers in his kingdom , nor to sit in his throne of conscience , for while you have done this , your authority hath been from the dragon , and not from the lamb ; and now this the lord requireth of you , let conscience go free , and rule not over the inward man , for while you do take that upon you , to force such a worship and such a religion upon people , contrary to the spirit of god , you are but servants to the great whore . wherefore be warned , for this is an invitation of love , righteousnesse , truth and just judgement , mercy and peace unto you , that you may know what the mind of the lord is unto you , and may do it , and rule for god and not for man , upon which dependeth the happinesse and welbeing of a nation and nations , and their rulers , and on the contrary dependeth their overthrow and destruction , and this will speedily be brought to passe ; wherefore come out of babylon , and deliver your selves from that bondage wherewith the false church hath bound you , she hath caused you to drink her cup , and you have been made drunk with her false faith , and doctrines and practises ; and ye have compelled nations to drink the same cup of abominations , and ye have executed cruelty and injustice upon all that would not , and ye have been servants to the great whore , and being in bondage your selves , you have brought all in bondage under you ; but now the lord is changing times , and things , and powers , and happy are you if ye deliver your selves , and let the oppressed go free , in so doing , if ye fulfil this my request , and do the will of the lord herein , then blessings and peace eternal ; but if ye be disobedient , and take part continually with the whore , ye shall partake of her judgements ; and this hath the lord spoken to you , and in the day of vengeance ye shall confesse that you are warned , by a friend to the whole creation , that waits for the redemption thereof , edward burrough . the end . a hue and cry after the false prophets and deceivers of our age and a discovery of them by their works and fruits and who they are in this age that follow the same spirit, and act the same things as did the false prophets in former generations. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 1661 approx. 19 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 5 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. text creation partnership, ann arbor, mi ; oxford (uk) : 2004-05 (eebo-tcp phase 1). a30527 wing b6007 estc r29162 10836140 ocm 10836140 46083 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30527) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 46083) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 1418:13) a hue and cry after the false prophets and deceivers of our age and a discovery of them by their works and fruits and who they are in this age that follow the same spirit, and act the same things as did the false prophets in former generations. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 8 p. printed for robert wilson, london : 1661. caption title. signed at end: e.b. attributed by wing and nuc pre-1956 imprints to edward burrough. imprint from colophon. reproduction of original in the harvard university library. created by converting tcp files to tei p5 using tcp2tei.xsl, tei @ oxford. re-processed by university of nebraska-lincoln and northwestern, with changes to facilitate morpho-syntactic tagging. gap elements of known extent have been transformed into placeholder characters or elements to simplify the filling in of gaps by user contributors. eebo-tcp is a partnership between the universities of michigan and oxford and the publisher proquest to create accurately transcribed and encoded texts based on the image sets published by proquest via their early english books online (eebo) database (http://eebo.chadwyck.com). the general aim of eebo-tcp is to encode one copy (usually the first edition) of every monographic english-language title published between 1473 and 1700 available in eebo. eebo-tcp aimed to produce large quantities of textual data within the usual project restraints of time and funding, and therefore chose to create diplomatic transcriptions (as opposed to critical editions) with light-touch, mainly structural encoding based on the text encoding initiative (http://www.tei-c.org). the eebo-tcp project was divided into two phases. the 25,363 texts created during phase 1 of the project have been released into the public domain as of 1 january 2015. anyone can now take and use these texts for their own purposes, but we respectfully request that due credit and attribution is given to their original source. users should be aware of the process of creating the tcp texts, and therefore of any assumptions that can be made about the data. text selection was based on the new cambridge bibliography of english literature (ncbel). if an author (or for an anonymous work, the title) appears in ncbel, then their works are eligible for inclusion. selection was intended to range over a wide variety of subject areas, to reflect the true nature of the print record of the period. in general, first editions of a works in english were prioritized, although there are a number of works in other languages, notably latin and welsh, included and sometimes a second or later edition of a work was chosen if there was a compelling reason to do so. image sets were sent to external keying companies for transcription and basic encoding. quality assurance was then carried out by editorial teams in oxford and michigan. 5% (or 5 pages, whichever is the greater) of each text was proofread for accuracy and those which did not meet qa standards were returned to the keyers to be redone. after proofreading, the encoding was enhanced and/or corrected and characters marked as illegible were corrected where possible up to a limit of 100 instances per text. any remaining illegibles were encoded as <gap>s. understanding these processes should make clear that, while the overall quality of tcp data is very good, some errors will remain and some readable characters will be marked as illegible. users should bear in mind that in all likelihood such instances will never have been looked at by a tcp editor. the texts were encoded and linked to page images in accordance with level 4 of the tei in libraries guidelines. copies of the texts have been issued variously as sgml (tcp schema; ascii text with mnemonic sdata character entities); displayable xml (tcp schema; characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or text strings within braces); or lossless xml (tei p5, characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or tei g elements). keying and markup guidelines are available at the text creation partnership web site . eng society of friends -controversial literature. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 aptara keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-03 mona logarbo sampled and proofread 2004-03 mona logarbo text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a hue and cry after the false prophets and deceivers of our age ; and a discovery of them by their works and fruits , and who they are in this age that follow the same spirit , and act the same things as did the false prophets in former generations . forasmuch as in the world at this day , and through all christian nations , there is a great cry concerning false prophets and deceivers , each one sort and sect of people accusing and charging the teachers and ministers that are of others , and not of their way , to be deceivers and false prophets . thus the papists cry against the protestant ministers , and the protestant ministers do the like by the papists , each one sort of people cryes the like against the ministers of the others . and without all controversie , there are in the christian world ( so called ) and in these kingdoms many false prophets and deceivers even at this day , and hath been for many ages , since the dayes of the apostles ; and the world , and nations , and multitudes have been deceived into the way of error through the means of the deceivers , who have done much hurt in the world by their divinations and antichristian wayes that they have walked in ; but though it is acknowledged by all sorts of christians , that there are and have been many deceivers and false prophets , yet the great controversie is at this day , who are the deceivers and false prophets ? seeing ( as i have said ) that every sort of men are accusing others to be such . but now it remains to be sought out [ and that carefully by all ] who are the deceivers and false prophets ; whether papist ministers , or protestant ministers , or whether any others ; and who such are in this day . now therefore for this very end , that it may be made manifest unto all , who the deceivers are , and that they may be turned from , and their wayes eschewed by all people : thus i try them , and bring them to right and true judgment , and shall not charge and papists , the protestants , or any others , by their name , or because of their name that therefore they are deceivers : but seeing that all sorts of christians do profess the scriptures ; and that they own them , therefore according to the scriptures , and by the spirit of god , i shall lay both papists and protestants , and all others , to the line of judgment , by the rule of scriptures , and the spirit that gave them ; and if ▪ papists , protestants , or whose ministers soever come under the judgment of that rule , they shall be concluded by the rule of the spirit of god and the scriptures , to be false prophets and deceivers : therefore come out papists , protestants , anabaptists , quakers , and all others , come forth and hear your tryal , and receive your iudgment . first of all , it is concluded ( and that i hope by all reasonable men ) that whosoever they are at this day through the world , whether papists of protestants ( so called ) or whoever , that shall be found walking by the same spirit , and in the same wayes , and doing the same things that the false prophets of israel did in the dayes of old , and that the false brethren and false teachers among the churches of the christians in the apostles dayes walked in and followed , such may at this day be adjudged , deemed , and taken to be false prophets and false teachers , deceivers and seducers , and this without respect to any name or title whatsoever that they bear in their religion . and this is the rule of tryal and iudgment , in which i may justly and righteously proceed . 1. they were false prophets and deceivers in the dayes of the true prophets , isa. 56. 11. that were greedy dumb dogs , which could never have enough ; and that sought every one of them for their gain from their quarter ; and that preached for hire , and divined for money , mic. 3. 11. the priests that taught for hire , and the prophets that divined for money , against such as these isaiah and micah cryed , and that by the spirit of the lord , being commanded of him so to do . now whosoever , whether papists or protestants of any sort , independents , presbyterians , quakers , or any other , that have a quarter from which they seek their gain for preaching , and teach for hire , and have hire for teaching , ( viz. ) tythes or sums of money , and divines for money ; such , whatsoever they be , without respect of their names or professions , walk by the same spirit , and in the same way , and do the same things as the false prophets did , and are false prophets and deceivers : and therefore all people , it is left to the witness of god in your consciences , and that you may give witness in this case , who are they now , and where they are that can never have enough , but are greedy after gain and covetous , and that seek for gain from their quarters , or portions of a country or city , and where are they now ? and who is it that preach for hire , and divine for money , that take so much money or gifts by the year or month for preaching ? who is it , or , who are they now that walk in these wayes ? s●●●● , whoever they be , whether papists , protestants , sectaries ( so called ) are false prophets and deceivers . 2. they were false prophets and deceivers , that stood not in the counsel of the lord , and that did not turn people from their iniquities and evil wayes , but spake a vision of their own hearts , and not from the mouth of the lord ; and that cryed peace to them that walked wickedly , and prophesied lyes , and used their tongues , and said , the lord saith it , when as the lord had not spoken to them ; and that seduced the people by crying peace , when there was no peace ; and saw vanity , and spoke vanity and lyes in the dayes of the true prophets : i say , such were false prophets and deceivers . now whosoever , whether papists or protestants , or any others that do not stand in the counsel of god , and that do not turn people from their iniquities and their evil wayes ; but speak a vision of their own hearts , and not from the mouth of the lord ; and that cry peace to them that walk wickedly , that prophesie lyes and use their tongues , when the lord hath not spoken to them ; and that seduce people by crying peace , when there is no peace ; and that builds the wall , and daubs it with untempered mortar , and that do not profit the people at all , but cause them to erre ; such are false prophets and deceivers at this day , wheresoever and whosoever ( without respect of name or title in their profession ) such now walk by the spirit of the false prophets , and are in the way of the deceivers , which the lord sent true prophets to cry against . and now to all people , of what name soever , it is left to the witness of god in you all to give witness , who they are now , and where they are that are guilty hereof . who is it now that stand not in the counsel of god , and that do not turn people form their iniquities , that do not convert them to god by their preaching , but speak what they have studied for , even a divination of their own brain , and not what they have received from god ; and that use their tongues , and take other mens words , the words of christ , the prophets and apostles ; when as they have not the same spirit of christ and his apostles ; nor have they heard the voice of god speaking to them , but take chapter and verse ▪ and say , hear the word of the lord , when the lord never spoke to them , nor sent them . who is it now , and where are they that are guilty hereof ? and that cry peace to the wicked , when the lord speaks no peace to them ; and that are light vain persons , and covetous and greedy persons , and that see vanity and daub with untempered mortar ; that cry peace unto people , and say they shall have peace by christ , while yet they kill christ , and are not changed by him. where are there such now , by whom people are not converted to god , although they preach time after time ? let all people bring in their witness ; for whosoever are such at this day , whether they be papists or protestants , anabaptists or quakers ( so called ) or whosoever , such ( i say ) are led by the spirit of the false prophets , and are in their way and practices , and all such are to be judged , deemed and taken for antichrists ministers , false prophets and deceivers , without respect of persons or titles of religion . 3. they were false brethren and false teachers , that taught for filthy lucre ; that professed they knew god in words , and in works denied him ; being abominable and disobedient , and to every good work reprobate ; who had a form of godliness , but denied the power ; and were heady and high-minded men , and lovers of pleasures more than lovers of god ; that were ever teaching , and never able to bring people to the knowledge of the truth . and such were false prophets and false teachers , that through covetousness and feigned words , did make merchandize of people ; that beguiled unstable souls , and that had hearts exercised with covetous practices ; being out of the right way , and following the way of balaam , who loved the wages of unrighteousness . these , and such as these , were deceivers and false teachers in the apostles dayes , tit. 1. 11. 2 tim. 3. 5 , 7. 2 pet. 2. chap. now whosoever , whether papists or protestants , or of what sect soever they be that do these things , that teach for filthy lucre ; that profess god in words , but in works deny him ; and that live wickedly , and are disobedient to god ; and have the form of godliness , but want the power ; and are heady and high-minded men , and love pleasures ; under whom people are ever learning , but not able to come to the knowledge of the truth ; and that through covetousness and feigned words make merchandize of people ; that are unstable men , and do exercise themselves in covetous practices ; and are not in the right way , but do follow the way of balaam , who loved unrighteous wages . whosoever are such , whether they be papists or protestants , or quakers , or whomsoever they be , they follow the spirit of the false prophets , and are in the way of the false teachers , and are ministers of antichrist , even false prophets and deceivers . and now to all people whatsoever i appeal for evidence to the witness of god in your consciences , that you may judge in this case ; where are they now , and who is it ? are there not some such present amongst you this day in your cities and towns , and countries , even such as teach for filthy lucre ; that will preach were they can get gain for preaching , but not otherwise ; and that profess god and christ with their lips , and shew much love , but deny god in works ; who live unholy lives , and in evil wayes , and give bad examples to people , and that are reprobate to good works ; and that have the form of godliness , but not the power ; and that are heady and high-minded , and ambitious persons ; and that are teaching many years together , and people cannot come to the knowledge of the truth by them , but are alwayes ignorant and wicked . and do not your teachers exercise covetous practices among you , and go in the way of balaam for gifts and rewards ( viz. ) so much for a sermon , and for a years preaching : such who are made ministers by man , and not by the lord , and who do not profit the people at all : whosoever they are that are such [ now in this age ] are false prophets and deceivers , and follow the spirit , and walk in the steps of the deceivers of old ; and whosoever they are , whether papists , protestants , or any others , they may lawfully be taken , judged and deemed to be false prophets , ministers of antichrist , and deceivers . 4. the false prophets and deceivers in the dayes of old , were feigning and flattering men , and cryed peace to the wicked , and cryed peace , peace , to every one that put into their mouthes ; but prepared war against every one that did not , mica . 3. 5. and they respected mens persons , and held mens persons in admiration because of advantage , jude 16. now whosoever , whether papist or protestant , or any else , that are feigners and flatterers , and that cry peace to the wicked , and cry peace to them that put into their mouthes ; but are bitter and angry and perverse against such as will not , or cannot give them hire and money for preaching ; and that respect mens persons , and turn every way from one kind of worship to another ; and have mens persons in admiration for their own gain and advantage . whoever are such now in this age , are false prophets and deceivers . and therefore all people , bring in your evidence ; who are such now ? and where are they that are flattering men ▪ that cry peace to all that will give them means and put into their mouthes , and that admire the persons of great men , and respect the persons of great men for advantage ; if there be any such now amongst you , whether they be papists or protestants , anabaptists or quakers ( so called ) you may justly take such , and let such be deemed , judged and reputed false prophets , seducers and ministers of antichrist . and now all people upon earth , try , learn and examine your teachers and ministers , lay them to the line of judgement : for if they are such as are here described , if they bear these marks and fruits declared , and if they follow the same spirit , and do as the false prophets of old did , according as 't is declared in the scriptures ▪ then may you justly judge them to be deceivers and false prophets , and ministers of antichrist : for whosoever they be that are amongst you , as preach for hire , and that have a quarter from whence they seek their gain , and divine for money , and go a preaching for gifts and rewards , and that teach for filthy lucre ; and that are covetous persons , heady and high-minded persons , and ambitious men , that do not profit the people at all , nor turn them from sin by their preaching ; and that prophesie lyes , and that are flatterers and changeable persons , and will turn from one way to another , and have mens persons in admiration because of advantage . whosoever he be that is one of these above described , who hath these marks and signs upon him , of this physiognomy , of this nature and feature as before described ; wheresoever such a one shall be found , or whensoever you see him , or meet with him ; or if such a one be amongst you , or pass by you , let him be suspected , taken , deemed and judged for a false prophet and deceiver , without respect of his name and title in his profession of religion . again , christ jesus prophesied and said , that deceivers and false prophets should come , who should have the sheeps cloathing , but inwardly ravening wolves : and iohn said , the false prophets were already come into the world [ in his dayes ] even the false prophets and antichrist ; whom christ said should come ; and the false prophets and deceivers that christ said should come , john saw were come into the world in his dayes . now , who is it , and where are they that are wolves in sheeps cloathing , that are those antichrists that christ said should come ; and iohn said were come ? even such are they that have the outside ( viz. ) christ's words , and the apostles words , and the saints practices ; they have the sheeps cloathing , but inwardly are the wolves in the evil nature ; and their evil nature is covered with the saints words and practices ; and such are the wolves in sheeps cloathing , that have the outside of the sheep , but want the nature of christ , and are in the contrary nature . and to all people that are upon the earth i do appeal , and ask , where are they that are such now ? and , who are they ? whether they be papists or protestants , or whomsoever else that are such , that have the outside , the sheeps cloathing , but inwardly are wolves of a devouring nature ; such are they that christ said should come , and iohn saw was come ; and such are ministers of antichrist , whosoever they are , and such are in the world , and have overspread it since the apostles dayes : and whole christendom hath been deceived by such wolves in sheeps cloathing , even by such as have got the outside , the saints words and practices , but wanted the life , and have been in the evil nature , and not in the nature of christ iesus : and such now in this age , are to be taken , judged and deemed false prophets and deceivers , wolves in sheeps cloathing , and ministers of antichrist . e. b. the end . london , printed for robert wilson , at the sign of the black spread-eagle and wind-mill , in martins le grand , 1661. a testimony against a great idolatry committed and a true mourning of the lords servant upon the many considerations of his heart upon that occasion ... / by e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30547 of text r29163 in the english short title catalog (wing b6032). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 18 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 5 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30547 wing b6032 estc r29163 10836148 ocm 10836148 46084 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30547) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 46084) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 1418:14) a testimony against a great idolatry committed and a true mourning of the lords servant upon the many considerations of his heart upon that occasion ... / by e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 8 p. printed for thomas simmons, london : 1658. imperfect: pages stained, with loss of print. reproduction of original in the harvard university library. eng society of friends -controversial literature. processions, religious. a30547 r29163 (wing b6032). civilwar no a testimony against a great idolatry committed: and a true mourning of the lords servant upon the many considerations of his heart, upon tha burrough, edward 1658 3690 8 0 0 0 0 0 22 c the rate of 22 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the c category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 spi global keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-03 mona logarbo sampled and proofread 2004-03 mona logarbo text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a testimony . against a great idolatry committed : and a true mourning of the lords servant upon the many considerations of his heart , upon that occasion of the great stir about an image made and carryed from on● 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 another , happening the 23. day of the ninth month. by e. b. london , printed for thomas simmons , at the bull and mouth neer aldersgate , 1658. a testimony against a great idolatry committed , &c. it came to passe and happened , that being at kingston upon thames , the 22. day of the ninth month , it was ordered the next morning that i came from thence to london , and as i entred in at charing-cross , i beheld a very great multitude of people gathering together , and thronging , and pressing exceedingly , and the whole streets were filled from one side to another , upwards and downwards , so far as i could see , with abundance gazing forth at every window , and upon the belconies , and house tops , and the glasse was pulled down for people to look out into the streets , and an exceeding number of people there was , all the streets so thronged , that i thought it could not be possible that any more could throng in , or pass by , and there was guards of soldiers both of horse and foot , and they stayed me , and stopped my horse , and said i might not pass that way , neither indeed could i well , by reason of the throng of people ; and i stayed a very little , but presently passed back another way , in a kind of wondering at this great stir i found in my way 〈…〉 i beheld all spirits of people were up in a wonderment and admiration , and gazing they were , and hurrying , as if some marvelous and great thing had happened to them , or were to be seen by them ; & i felt the spirits of men , women , and children were all on fire , and they were in an admiring frame , and in a condition not usual : and as i passed along , i turned in my mind to see of the lord what this thing might be , and what might be the end of it , and why was this gathering , and running , and thronging of multitudes in this manner , and in this frame ; and presently upon consideration , i perceived that a dead image and invented picture would be carryed that way , and that all this pressing and stir , and the gathering of this great multitude , was onely to see and behold a dead image without life or breath ; and then my spirit was grieved , and my soul was vexed within me , and it run through me , vanity , vanity , folly , and madness ; what is all this setting of guards , gathering of people in such thronging multitudes , and pulling down the glass , and gazing of men , women , and children , high and low , rich and poor , people of all sorts that were come together ? is all this wondering of people , and inflaming of spirits in this admiring mood ? is all this ( said i ) but to see a dead invented image of wood or wax , arrayed and decked with some foolish inventions ? said my spirit , oh abominable ! oh idolatry ! oh folly and vanity ! and my life was grieved ; what is all this preparation of people in this wondering frame ▪ but to behold an image carryed , and to see simple foolish people following after it in their idolatrous robes and gestures ▪ such who had invented it , and been at cost with it ? and then my spirit was burthened , and the very smell of idolatry and abomination entred upon me , and the weight of all this iniquity came into me , and vexed the righteous , and the very sence of this abomination seised upon my life , and i felt the burthen of their so great wickedness , the making the image , i felt a burthen , and all the foolish circumstances about it for many days , and the peoples folly and madness that so gathered and pressed to behold it , and so wondered after it , was a burthen to me ; and they that carryed it in their foolish gestures ; all this is iniquity and abomination , said my spirit ; and i was loaden therewith , and said , certainly the judgements of god will meet with this work , and the lord will be avenged because of it , and their souls should once feel the burthen of it with terror , as mine at this present ; & it came into me , it might be some would be wounded or pressed to death , or some wickedness would come out of this wickedness , that the anger of the lord might break forth and smite such as were the foundation of this sinful abomination ; and my spirit had a deep sence of the greatness and sinfulness of this high and mighty idolatry , and it wounded me , and made me sad ; but immediately ( from that temper ) on a very sudden my spirit was changed , and i was filled with the indignation of the lord god against this image , and this stir about it ; his plagues , and fury , and fire run through me , to cry , plagues , plagues , and vengeance against them because of this abomination ; and i found my spirit set on fire with the very power of god rising in me against this idolatry , that if i had been moved to it , and it been possible to have done it , i could have ridden through the guards , and over the multitude , to have founded the judgements of god , and his woes , amongst them , and through them , and i could then have engaged the loss of my life , that the lord might have been revenged upon this image , and image-makers , and image-followers , and image-wonderers after , that my soul might be freed from its present burthen , through this grievous wickedness ; said i , what silly , foolish , blind , ignorant people are these ! what a power hath the devil over them ! and how are they led captive at his will ! what an influence hath the fight of a dead image upon their dead hearts and carnal minds ! was ever the like , said i ? is there greater abomination at rome ? what blindness and sencelesness is over the hearts of this people ? and after this manner for a good season after , my spirit within me aggravated and unfolded this great abomination , tumbling it over and over in my own breast , with a secret pitty for their souls which were ensnared and captivated through all this wickedness . but further , i considered that all this abomination & sinful idolatry , is about the funeral of the late oliver cromwel ; then said i , what for him ! alas for him ! who was once a great instrument in the hand of the lord to break down many idolatrous images and grievous idols ; and did not the lord once stir up his heart against all such things ? and did not once his children , officers , and his brave soldiers and army , pull down all the images and crosses , and all such like popish stuff , where ever they met with it ? and said my spirit , what grievous and abominable work is this ? have they now made a costly image of him ? and are such as were once his soldiers , now guarding it , and watching over it ? and his children and officers following it ? and multitudes of the inhabitants of london wondering and gazing after an image of him ? this is sad , said i , and great pitty ; what a change is this in so short a time ? was it but a few years since that he , and his army , and his servants , and children , and officers were so zealous to overthrow images , pictures , and idols , that they could not endure the sight and worshipping of them ? and have they now made an image of him , which his officers , children , and kindred are carrying from place to place , and following it , and multitudes caused to wonder after it ? what a change is this , said i ? oh sad ! are people running after images again , as in the time of popery ? and have they made an image , and deckt it with costly array , and set it up for people to visit a long time , and then haling it from place to place ? are they doing this in london , as they do at rome amongst papists ? this is pittiful ; but how comes it to pass ? i began to consider , and said , i knew the man when he was living , and had the knowledge of his spirit , and i was perswaded if it had been asked him in his life time , if such work should be acted about him , such an image made like him , and laid for so long time in a sumptuous place and manner , and then carryed by his friends , and children , and kindred , and army , and then set up in such a place , and be removed from place to place ; i say , i believe he would have denyed it , and said , it shall not be thus for me when i am dead ; i suppose he would not have suffered it thus to have been ; he was more wise i thought ; he would have said ; nay ; what , to make an image of me , and deck it diversly from one form to another , and visit it , and then carry it from place to place , up and down ! this will be a shame to my children , and a disgrace to my kindred , and a reproach to my officers and whole army , and all the nation will mock and be offended , and they may say , these are they that were once enemies to all images and dead idols , and pull'd them down , and broke them down ; and are these now making an image , and setting it up , and wondering after it from place to place ? nay , ( might he have said ) if thus it be done , they at rome may laugh us to scorn , and the papists may say , we have learned of them , and put their persons from among us , and banished , and kill'd them , and set up their practices : sure he would have said thus , or i 'm certain the witness of god in his conscience might truly have said it , because it is truth . but upon another consideration , i said this is come to pass after this manner , though he was once zealous against all popery , yet he did too much forgett that good cause , and too much sought the greatness and honor of the world , and loved the praise of men , and took flattering titles and vain respects of deceitful men , and many great abominations were upheld through him , as tythes , and old mass-houses , and ordaining of ministers by mans will , and the false worships , and sprinkling of infants , and such like popish stuff first invented at rom● ; and he suffered the servants of the lord to be persecuted , and imprisoned , for denying and crying against such things as were popish , and which himself sometime seemed to deny , and because of this , said i , this may justly be come to pass , that an idolatrous image and picture , should be made of him when he is dead , and decked , and laid in a sumptuous manner , and visited , and then carried from place to place , ( as was usuall in the time of popery ) for multitudes of foolish people to gaze upon , and wonder after , and admire , and praise ; that all men might see the first cause is lost , and that zeale which his kindred and army had once in their hearts against popery is extinguished , and people are turned again to gaze after images , which is popish ; for such practises that day between somersett-house and westminster were first ordained at rome , and practised by the papists ; and he that suffered many to be imprisoned , for denying and crying against such worships and practises as were in themselves popish ; and which he himself once fought against ▪ it 's happened now when he is dead , and it s suffered that they should make a fool of him in a popish way and manner , for such practises is no other then foolery and foolishness , tending to the dishoner of a good man ; but in the midest of my considerations , a pitty struck through me for once noble oliver that is now dead , and his place no more found , and i was greived he should be thus abused being dead , by such stir about an image made of him , for many weeks together as hath been , and i began to recall my former acquaintance with him , and the former dealings of god towards him , and what a gallant instrument for the lord he once was , and how many glorious and noble victories , god once gave him , and what good parts , and what a gallant spirit there was in him , and how once he shewed me , and declared what the former dealings of the lord had been upon his soul , and how he was troubled in conscience formerly , and my spirit run through many such things , with a great deal of seriousness & pitty ; & then said i alas ! alas ! is it ended all in this , all his former good service for god and the nations , all his victories , and his goood actions , and his beating down of superstition ? is this the end of it all ? the making of an image and carrying it from place to place ? is it ended all here ? what formerly he hath been , and what he hath done ? how hath this cloud of folly , cast a stink and darkness upon his former brightness and glory , and nobleness ? and is this the end and finall farewell of once noble oliver ? what only the sight of an image carryed and set up ? hath the city of london and the nations no better memento of him ? but oh ! had he been faithfull to the end to god , he would have left a more lively and heavenly character to have bin read for his sake , then an image of him , and such idolatrous practises ; and my life could have sorrowed upon some considerations passing through me about this business , and for ▪ some hours my spirit could not rest , and in the very time it lay upon me to write this ; and after all this said my spirit , where is all the old priests now , and his ancient teachers whom once had a great zeal against all these things , and against all such practises ? where are they now , are they blind also said i , that they cannot see this abominable idolatry and cry against it : had they any hand in it ? or were they consenters to these things ? what is become of them ? is their zeal for the lord , and against idolatry quite gone , thought i , they might have prevented this disgrace to their old master , who hath served them well , and set them in great places and put them in large benefices , and they might have done somthing for him when he is dead , and have prevented this folly , and idolatry , which is acted upon him this day ; for certainly all people in the nation that fear god , will be offended , and judge in their hearts such work ; the framing of an image , and sounding trumpets , and beating drums before it , and cloathing horses in mourning , and trayleing their pikes , and even the very honourable of the nation clad in mourning , and following this image , and all this stir , and cost , and preparation for many weeks before hand , and such decking in mourning attire of great and noble men , and all but to accompany an image from one place to another , whereby people are deceived , who might look upon it to be the buriall of oliver protector , when as it was but an image made by hands , and decked and trimed in a vain manner , as if it had been some poppet play , which if it had been indeed his bones they had accompanied to the grave in such a manner , that had been less condemnable , and i should not had ought against it ; but for the wise men in the nation to be chief in these things , and to exercise themselves in such folly and vanity ; this greives the righteous soul , and if i should justify it , the lord would condemne me ; but the shame will fall upon themselves that acted it , and chiefly upon their priests and teachers , because they were consenting to such vanity and peice of popery as this was ; and had these old docters and teachers feared god , and their hearts bin a right towards him , they would have endeavored the stopping of this abomination , and another way might have been thought upon whereby a more lively and godly monument of their old master might have stood to generations ; what shall the making , and visiting , and carrying , and setting up of a dead image for foolish people to gaze upon , and run wondering after in their wicked mindes , must this be all the monument ? and shall we have no other representation of once noble cromwel ? is his life and former glory , and nobleness , shadowed with the sight of a dead image ? alas ! this presents nothing at all to such as fears god , but folly and ignorance , vanity and idolatry , and when they look upon it they shall be grieved in their spirits , and vexed when they can find no more monument of that once noble man , but an invented image and picture , and the priests shall be ashamed , and may have the greatest rebuke , for they that lead the people have caused them to erre . and now upon the whole matter , from the very beginning to the end thereof ▪ i do declare against it , and that a fearfull abomination hath bin committed in the sight of the lord , in relation to this image , and you have vex't the lords soul , and his hand you shall feel upon your consciences , and the weight thereof in the time to come , the spending of so much of the creation , and wasting money and other things , the lord will lay to your charge ; and the whole city hath been abused with running and wondering after the work of your own hands . and now all you that have gone to gaze and wonder after an image , what saw you ? what beheld you ? what wondered you after ? ought , except folly and vanity , and a dead image , whereby the man and his nobility was abused , in honor to whom they say it was done . and when many days were spent , what were you the better ? what were you edified ? were you not convinced of your own folly ? and might not your own wickedness reprove you ? and did not the light in your own consciences check you , and prick you , and condemne your vain minds that wondred after folly ? though now you may be hardened , yet one day you shall confess when the witness of god in you doth arise , and bring all your deeds to remembrance , then shall you say this work was abomination & a great sin in them who invented it , and caused it to be brought forth , and in your selves that foolishly wondred after it , and the judgements of the lord are against all these things . e. b. the end . to the rulers and to such as are in authority a true and faithful testimony concerning religion, and the establishment thereof, and how it may be established in persons and in nations / by edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30552 of text r36305 in the english short title catalog (wing b6040a). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 23 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 7 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30552 wing b6040a estc r36305 15643032 ocm 15643032 104278 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30552) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 104278) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 1182:6) to the rulers and to such as are in authority a true and faithful testimony concerning religion, and the establishment thereof, and how it may be established in persons and in nations / by edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 12 p. printed for thomas simmons ..., london : 1659. reproduction of original in the huntington library. eng society of friends -apologetic works. church and state -england. freedom of religion -england. a30552 r36305 (wing b6040a). civilwar no to the rulers and to such as are in authority a true and faithful testimony concerning religion, and the establishment thereof, and how it m burrough, edward 1659 4617 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 b the rate of 2 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the b category of texts with fewer than 10 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-03 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-04 judith siefring sampled and proofread 2004-04 judith siefring text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-07 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion to the rulers and to such as are in authority a true and faithful testimony concerning religion , and the establishment thereof , and how it may be established in persons and in nations . by edward bvrrovgh . london , printed for thomas simmons at the bull and mouth near aldersgate , 1659. there hath been a great cry of late years among the priests and many others , for the settlement of religion , and this they have sought after from the powers of the earth , and the cry hath been to parliaments and rulers by the priests and professors for many years , settle us religion , settle us religion . now to this i answer , all this cry and this desire hath been by these priests and professors to have parliaments to make lawes , to establish one sect , and throw down and limit all others , that is the chief thing that hath been eyed in the request , and not simply to have true religion established ; if we come to shew what true religion is in it self . but people of divers sects have been requiring and desireing every one to have their own sect established and set up , and all others thrown down , and not to have a place nor to be tolerated , so that their cry hath not risen from the ground of true love to true religion , but their desire hath chiefly risen and sprung from selfe love to their own sect , and from malice and envy against others that were not of their way , and this hath been the end of their craving the settlement of religion , and not simply for true religions sake . now religion in it selfe is this , the fulfilling of the law and the prophets , loving god with all their hearts and the neighbour as selfe , and doing to all men as they would have men to doe to them , and not otherwise doing or speaking towards any , then they would that others should speak of or doe to them , and a walking towards god in all things , as they have received of his grace , answering to the lord in all things , as his spirit leads them and moves them , this is true religion towards god and towards man , and to have the conscience alwaies kept void of offence , & that no offence lie upon it in the sight of god , nor in the sight of man , and this is true religion in it selfe , in short declared , to wit , the leading of the spirit of god into all truth , to doe the truth , and speak the truth in all things , and this religion is accepted in the sight of god , and to be kept unspotted in the world , from all its pollutions . but now tell me , can this religion be setled , or any nation or people or any person in it , by any external power or outward authority of men ? or can the laws of kings or parliaments settle such religion , or make people truly religious , or establish a nation or people , in this religion ? i say no , nor any thing , save only the teaching and leading of the holy spirit of god being received from the father , it s that onely that makes men religious , and settles a people and nation therein . oh ye fools and blind priests and professors , that are doting on setling religion among unconverted people by out ward lawes and earthly powers of men ; i say no , this must not be , for the lawes of men can but settle a sect , or some sects , and limit other sects ; but true religion can never be setled by that meanes ; for before any be setled in religion they must first be changed and created a new in christ jesus , and borne againe of the seed incorruptable , and they must first be changed from death to life , and from statans power to god ; this must first be witnessed before a man or a nation can be religious , & setled in true religion , he must put off the body of sin , and be circumcised in heart ; and he must have a new nature planted in him , and he planted into christ a new and living vine , before he can love god with all his heart and his neighbour as himselfe , and before he can have his conscience kept void of offence , and be without stain towards god and towards man , and it is onely the word of god and his power in the heart that works this , it is only the operation of gods spirit in and upon a creature that works him unto this , it is not the lawes made by man that doth it , nor externall powers of the earth that can work it , & therefore true religion cannot be setled thereby , nor a nation or a people in it ; but only that which changes him , and makes him religious , that is it onely that must settle religion and nations , and peoples therein ; and as every one is turned to that of god in him , and thereby to feel the power and word and spirit that doth change him , and renew him as i have said , by this means cometh a man and nations to be religious , and to be setled therein , and by no other waies nor meanes , and this is done through the preaching of the everlasting gospell , and through the ministry of christ , which turneth the mindes of people from darknesse to light , and from satans power to god , whereby they are changed and made religious , and also setled therein , and established thereby , and it is not by outward lawes , and powers as i have said . but what are peoples , and the nations yet to settle in religion ? and is religion unsetled yet , that you are craving lawes made by men to settle religion ? what have you preached for this many years ? what , have your preaching been all in vaine ? and have you done no good this many years by your preaching , that religion is yet to settle ? oh blind and ignorant men ! this is a shame unto you , how manie thousands of thousand pounds have the priests had out of this nation for teaching religion , & preaching to people , & yet the nation remains unsetled in religion and they are beging to the powers of the earth , to constrain & compel a settlement of religion , and this shames them , and shews that they are they that paul speakes of , and that the people of this nation are them that are ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth , though you have been long learning , you are unsetled , and are not come to the knowledge of the truth : but had these priests been such that were sent of the lord , through their ministry would the nations long since have been setled in religion , for they have been teachers long enough , and put the nation to charge great enough , that people might have known ere this day the holy annointing to dwell in them , and to teach them , and to settle them in religion , but it is manifest that they have ran and not been sent , but left peoples and nations unsetled as the waters , notwithstanding , all their preaching , and ministry for so many years , yet it seemes there wants still a settlement in religion , and seeing their preaching hath had no effect to doe it , but their ministry hath been all in vain , and people are not learned in religion , nor yet established therein , whereby their ministry is proved not to be christs ministry ( for the apostles did setle people , and the churches in religion , which theirs hath done no such thing ) & therefore it is that the powers of the earth are called to , that they may force by violence and by violent laws , that by that means a worship and religion may be setled as they say ; and their ministry hath not drawn people by love , and therefore would they have people forced and compelled to be of such or such religion but this is not christs way , nor the way that his apostles and true churches were in ; for the spirit of the father led each one of them , to be religious , and that same spirit setled and established them in it , and not external laws nor powers of the earth , but that was antichrists way , and the beasts and the false prophets way , for when they had killed the saints , and slain true religion , then the beast and false prophets they established a religion or worship by outward lawes ; and it s written , that he caused and compelled all , both small and great , bond and free , to worship the beast and his image ; and here was a setled people in a religion and worship by an outward compelling power . and thus it was then and is now the same , false churches and false religions are setled by an outward authority ; and it was nebuchadnezzar and his wicked princes that setled a religion or worship by an outward power & by an earthly authority , but that was not the worship of true religion , but was the worship of antichrist , and so it hath been for ages ; that worship that is setled , and that religion which is established by an outward external power and the lawes of men , is but the worship of antichrist , and not the true religion , nor the worship of the living god , which is in spirit and in truth , but it must all be overthrown and brought to nought , both that religion and worship that is out of the spirit , and that power that upholds it , and now the lord god is risen to confound the thoughts of mens hearts , and he alone will setle and establish religion by his own power and by his own law , and through his own ministry , and as people comes to that of god in them , to feel the spirit and power of the lord god to change them ; hereby will every one particularly be setled in religion , and by no other way nor means ; and this i know from the lord . but how should people be setled in religion ? for peoples and nations have been and are as waters , which hath been driven with the winds , this way or the other way , and the great whore sits upon the waters , and the beast hath carried her and born her up , ( false worships and churches and an outward power ) and she hath ruled and made all nations drunk with her cup of fornication , and the true religion hath been lost for many ages , and the sects and false churches hath been set up and established upon the waters ; and as for true religion , it cannot be established while nations are waters under the whores dominion , and so the many sects which hath been the many horns upon the beast , and one hath risen after another , and one diverse from another , and they have been striving one with another , and persecuting one another , and one subduing one another , and each one of them hath cryed for help from the beast , and from the powers of the earth , to be defended from the power and malice one of another , least one should prevail against another , and get the better one of another ; and so that sect that could get authority from the powers of the earth , and have them of its side , that sect hath thriven , and hath been setled more then another which hath not gotten the powers of the earth to defend it ; and so as the powers of the earth hath been changeable , so hath religion been changeable ; and what sect the rulers hath been on , that have they highest tollerated , and most defended against all other ; but all this hath not been the true establishment of true religon . but now some may suppose and query , whither i speak this as if i would have religion not at all setled , and as if i were against the establishing of religion , and so thereby may be accused , as if i were an enemy to all religion , and would not have religion established , &c. to all this i answer , i am a friend to true religion , and seekes the establishing of it in the right way , and by the ministery of righteousness , by turning peoples minds to the spirit , and to receive the anointing that they may be all taught of god , and true worshippers of him in spirit and truth , and may be setled in the true religion ; and this true religion would i have established in the world , and in the nations and would have all people therein established by the ministry of righteousness thereunto ordained . but i am against the establishing of sects , and the setling of one sect above another , by the powers of the earth , and i would not have one set up and another thrown down by the laws of men , for that brings forth nothing but tyranny , and oppression , and strife , and wickedness in a nation , and among people ; though thus it hath been for many ages , false sects and false churches hath been established by the powers of the earth and external laws , and that sect which the king or queen , or ruler hath been of , that hath been set up and tollerated above the rest , and the rest despised , and persecuted and set at nought ; for when and where a prince or a ruler is of the papists religion , then that religion is the most established and setled in that goverment ; and if at any time a ruler change to be of the protestant sect , or one come to govern that is of that religion , then that sect was the most established and upheld , thus it is through nations , and in england particularly within these late years , when king henry the eighth turned from the papists to be a protestant , then that sect was established , and all other thrown down and persecuted ; and when queen mary rose to govern , which was a papist , then she established that sect and false church , by laws , and the rest were limited and thrown down ; then when the next queen arose being a protestant , she established that sect again by outward laws , and cast all others down , and thus it hath been for many ages throughout all nations , of what sect and religion the governor and ruler hath been , that sect was onely established and all the rest persecuted as i have said , and so the saying is fulfilled , nations hath been waters , and peoples and multitudes waters ; and as a king and governour hath changed his religion and of what sect as he hath been , so hath the religion of the whole nation or country changed , and such a sect onely established against all others ; but this i cannot call the setlement of true religion , nor are the nations and peoples hereby established in true religion , but onely false sects and false religions hath risen and been established by the beasts power , who hath carried the whore , yea and though many other sects , hath risen , and many other horns appeared divers one from another , out of the many heads of the beast ; for his heads hath been many , and his horns devided , and divers one from another , and each head exalting his self above another , and each horn pushing one at another , and each sect and horn crying to the beast for power to be established , and to have others thrown down and limited , through the powers of the earth , and thus hath it been for generations , and in this nation in particular , and many sects hath risen besides the papists and the protestants and all these sects hath risen one out of another , & appeared divers one from another , and each one of them hath sought to the powers of the earth for setlement and defence , & that the other that were contrary to them and of another appearance might be stopt and limited , and this hath been done by these teachers and professors under the account of the establishment of religion , and they have begged to parliaments and to rulers for the establishment of religion , and for the stopping of heresie , that is to say , for tollerating and defending of their own sect which they call religion , and for the stopping and subduing of all others which they call heresie , but confusion hath come upon all this , and will upon the like for ever , and true religion never gets established by it , but as every new sect hath appeared , that only hath sought establishment against all the rest . but yet i say , i am not against establishing of true religion , though thus i speak , but would have true religion setled and established , but doth not seek to the powers of the earth , to have true religion established by earthly lawes ; for that cannot establish true religion , neither is it at all committed of the lord to the powers of the earth , or to outward authorities to establish religion , or to make men religious ; for that belongs to the lord to rule over , and in mens consciences , & to exercise them in the true religion : no ruler by any law whatsoever ought to exercise lordship over the consciences of any people , either to exalt or throw down any sect , or worship of religion ; for they are with their lawes but to rule the outward man , to settle their persons and estates in security , from the wrong and unrighteous dealing of wicked men , and to limit all evill men and evil doers from wronging and doing violence to mens persons and estates ; this is the work , and the place of kings and rulers of the earth , their power is onely committed to them of the lord to extend over the outward man , to defend and preserve that , and be a praise to all that do well and lives righteously , and to be a terror , and limit , and punishers of the unrighteous evil and violent doers , this is the magistrates place , and the length and breadth & height of his authority , whether it reside in king , queen or any other person or persons . but for the exercise of conscience , that is out of their power , and over and beyond it , it is not committed of the lord to them to compel and cause people from , or to such a worship and religion , it is not the magistrates worke , but the ministers work , that are sent of christ to teach religion ; but let all sects have their course , and every religion its liberty in a nation or country ( so that they doe no violence to one anothers persons and estates ) and if they do , then they fall under the magistrates power , and then let them be punished , and let every sect strive to exalt it selfe , and to overthrow others , by what authority it hath in doctrine and forceable arguments , and let them use what spiritual weapons they have , and defend themselves thereby , and let them that have the spirit of god overcome , and let them alone to be established , and let all the rest be subdued before that , and let that alone be setled onely by the power and authority of the spirit of god , which overcomes all the contrary ; and let all men , and all of mans power and authority be silent and quiet , and have no hand in this matter , and this is the way to establish religion in a nation ; and a kingdome , let the spirit of the lord have its liberty , and let no man whatsoever limit it in them in whom it dwels , but let it have its course and its operation , and its full authority by them in whom it dwels , in whomsoever it be ; and let all sects whatsoever have their liberty — in their arguments , and their practices , and their worship , and then let it be manifest , who it is that overcomes , and who it is that is overcome ; and such as overcometh by the same spirit & power that gives them victory , by that alone let true religion be established , and the rest of all sects bow under that true religion that overcometh all others by the power and authority of the spirit of god , and is established thereby ; all other under that shall bow , and whilst this is in tryal and debate , let the powers of the earth , and the rulers of the world be all quiet , and looke on in patience , and let their authority herein be exercised , not to limit one , or tollerate one more then an other , onely let them keep mens persons and estates in peace and defence from the injury and malice and wrong dealing one of another , as i have said , and here is the way , the true and perfect way , for the establishing of religion in a nation among people , and if this were brought to passe , and had been in generations past , then would not the papists have been prevailed against by the protestants , they being at the first discenting from the church and sect of the papist , more sincere towards god , and more upright to him , and in some things more true in doctrine and worship , then the other which they discented from , though still in the main but a false sect , and of a false religion , though they hated the whore in some things , and they would have prevailed against her through that sincericy towards god , that was in them , but they gave their power to the beast ; and would not many other sects have prevailed against them , which hath risen out of this , and discented from her , who was more in the sincerity and uprightnesse towards god , than she ? for god blessed that and loved that , in what measure so ever and wheresoever it be ; i say , would not many sects ere this day have prevailed one against another , had not the powers of the earth stopped , and limited whom they would , and given liberty to set up whom they would ? but now the light of the day is arisen , and hath appeared , and the lord is making a way to establish his own religion by his own power , and he is gathering his seed , who shall wax stronger and stronger , and shall prevail through all opposition , through all false sects and false worships of the earth , and they shall wax weaker and weaker , and shall never be established in righteousnesse , but they and the power that upholds them shall be broken together , and this will the lord bring to passe in his day ; and thus i have shewed you what true religion is , and how it cann●● be established , and how it may be , & what the authority of earthly rulers is , and how far it extends , and doth shew that true religion cannot be setled thereby , but by the lord alone it must , and that it is the worke of christs ministery , and not of earthly power by violent lawes to establish religion . and this is a testimony from the lord god of heaven and earth to ye rulers , and parliaments that makes laws and ministers laws ; meddle not with religion , to establish one sect or sects , and to limit and throw down others ; but feare the lord god , and wait for his wisdome , and remember that that hath been a rock , whereupon many before you have been split , and brought into confusion ; even when they have gone about to limit or stop or establish religion , how have they been confounded , and never had successe from the lord to such indeavours , for the lord hath never shewed countenance for many generations to such as have attempted to make men religious by outward laws , and to settle nations therein by outward lawes . wherefore now be wise ye rulers and kisse the son , for the wrath of the lord is already kindled , and he will break in pieces and dash babylons children against the stones , and confound the great whore , ( the false church ) and all false sects , her daughters who hath been brought forth , and set up in nations ever since the woman , ( the true church ) hath been fled into the wildernesse , and the beast hath carryed the whore , born her , and upheld her , and she hath journeyed through nations upon the beast , and the beast hath defended her ; if any man hath an eare let him heare ; and this is a visitation to ye rulers , and to all that make lawes , and ministers laws , by a friend to righteous men , edward burrough . the end . a tender salutation of perfect love unto the elect of god the royal seed, the saints of the most high, who have believed the testimony of our lord jesus christ, and walks in the light that hath enlightened every man that comes into the world. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 1661 approx. 25 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 9 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. text creation partnership, ann arbor, mi ; oxford (uk) : 2004-05 (eebo-tcp phase 1). a30546 wing b6031 estc r37521 16965317 ocm 16965317 105533 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30546) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 105533) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 1610:40) a tender salutation of perfect love unto the elect of god the royal seed, the saints of the most high, who have believed the testimony of our lord jesus christ, and walks in the light that hath enlightened every man that comes into the world. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 16 p. printed for the author, london : 1661. attributed to burrough by wing and nuc pre-1956 imprints. signed at end: e.b. [i.e. edward burrough] dedication signed: ellis hookes. reproduction of original in the british library. created by converting tcp files to tei p5 using tcp2tei.xsl, tei @ oxford. re-processed by university of nebraska-lincoln and northwestern, with changes to facilitate morpho-syntactic tagging. gap elements of known extent have been transformed into placeholder characters or elements to simplify the filling in of gaps by user contributors. eebo-tcp is a partnership between the universities of michigan and oxford and the publisher proquest to create accurately transcribed and encoded texts based on the image sets published by proquest via their early english books online (eebo) database (http://eebo.chadwyck.com). the general aim of eebo-tcp is to encode one copy (usually the first edition) of every monographic english-language title published between 1473 and 1700 available in eebo. eebo-tcp aimed to produce large quantities of textual data within the usual project restraints of time and funding, and therefore chose to create diplomatic transcriptions (as opposed to critical editions) with light-touch, mainly structural encoding based on the text encoding initiative (http://www.tei-c.org). the eebo-tcp project was divided into two phases. the 25,363 texts created during phase 1 of the project have been released into the public domain as of 1 january 2015. anyone can now take and use these texts for their own purposes, but we respectfully request that due credit and attribution is given to their original source. users should be aware of the process of creating the tcp texts, and therefore of any assumptions that can be made about the data. text selection was based on the new cambridge bibliography of english literature (ncbel). if an author (or for an anonymous work, the title) appears in ncbel, then their works are eligible for inclusion. selection was intended to range over a wide variety of subject areas, to reflect the true nature of the print record of the period. in general, first editions of a works in english were prioritized, although there are a number of works in other languages, notably latin and welsh, included and sometimes a second or later edition of a work was chosen if there was a compelling reason to do so. image sets were sent to external keying companies for transcription and basic encoding. quality assurance was then carried out by editorial teams in oxford and michigan. 5% (or 5 pages, whichever is the greater) of each text was proofread for accuracy and those which did not meet qa standards were returned to the keyers to be redone. after proofreading, the encoding was enhanced and/or corrected and characters marked as illegible were corrected where possible up to a limit of 100 instances per text. any remaining illegibles were encoded as <gap>s. understanding these processes should make clear that, while the overall quality of tcp data is very good, some errors will remain and some readable characters will be marked as illegible. users should bear in mind that in all likelihood such instances will never have been looked at by a tcp editor. the texts were encoded and linked to page images in accordance with level 4 of the tei in libraries guidelines. copies of the texts have been issued variously as sgml (tcp schema; ascii text with mnemonic sdata character entities); displayable xml (tcp schema; characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or text strings within braces); or lossless xml (tei p5, characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or tei g elements). keying and markup guidelines are available at the text creation partnership web site . eng society of friends -pastoral letters and charges. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-01 aptara keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-02 mona logarbo sampled and proofread 2004-02 mona logarbo text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a tender salutation of perfect love unto the elect of god , the royal seed , the saints of the most high , who have believed the testimony of our lord jesus christ , and walks in the light that hath enlightened every man that comes into the world. london , printed for the author , 1661. friends , this following epistle being committed to me , i have found it convenient to disperse it on this wise to the churches of christ , for whose service chiefly it hath been written as i perceive ; and this being a time , wherein each friend in god ought to serve another , and to be a strength and encouragement one towards another in the wayes of god , and therefore according to my duty , wherein i stand bound to the lord and his servants , i have diligently endeavoured your benefit and edification in sending this unto you , who accounts it my greatest honour to serve the lord and his servants . ellis hookes . to the beloved church of god that have believed and received the testimony of our lord iesus christ ; the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world. in the name and power of our lord jesus christ blessed for ever , that tender salutations of my immortal life is daily abounding towards , you , who are the true flock of the fathers love and care , who hath begotten you to himself by his word that lives for ever in us and with us , that ye should be a people chosen and elected of him unto eternal blessings , and to be a praise and an honour to him throughout the world , by and through the virtue of his life and power , and in the fruits of his spirit brought forth by you all , who are the only children of that birth which is only the lords . well dearly beloved , my heart at this time is filled in the fathers love , with the dear remembrance of you whom the lord hath gathered with his arm of power , and in his spirit do i desire the encrease of all mercies , and peace , and blessings unto you , that you may be rich and strong , and wise and mighty through the lord jesus christ , and receiving daily of his grace , may ever be preserved , constant and faithful in the heavenly calling unto the end ; and forasmuch as the lord hath began his glorious work in the midst of you , and gathered you out of the darknesse , and ignorance , and unbelief of this world , where sometime your converse hath been , while ye knew not the lord , and raised you up into the light , and power and wisdome of the lord jesus christ , having largely tasted of the same in the experience of his leadings through diverse operations and manifestations of his spirit , so that many of you have attained to a good measure to peace and rest with the lord in your inward man ; dearly beloved , seeing it is thus , these things the spirit of the father in me traveleth to bring forth unto you , for the end to comfort you , and to confirm you , and to edifie you in the saving truths of the gospel of peace . 1. consider what your former estate hath been , an estate scattered like sheep without a shepherd , some of you dispersed into one false kind of profession of religion , and some into another , walking in such wayes as the lord led you not in , but ye were driven from god into the paths of death and darknesse , and were led by blind watch-men in the hypocrisie and false pretences towards god , honouring him with the lips while the heart was far away ; this was the condition of some of you , and others of you were wallowing in the open prophanenesse of the sinful world , and such was your estate wherein you were all strangers to god , and were without him in the world , and served the spirit which leads captive to destruction , and in that way you were strayed even in the separation from gods , being in the state of enmity against him , till the lord jesus christ the good shepherd of israel found you out in the estate of darknesse , and brought you home from your strayed condition , even unto the sence and feeling of his power and spirit in you , which called you out of the wayes of sin and death , and also changed you and regenerated you into the inheritance of a better kingdome and glory then that which is of this world , and ye now know christ jesus to be your shepherd , his spirit to teach you , his wisdome and righteousnesse and sanctification to dwell in you , being partakers of the same through the eternal light which once shined in darknesse , and the darknesse could not comprehend it , but now it is risen in much glory and power , and death and darknesse is swallowed up of life and light , and the fruits thereof subdued ; these things are true and faithful unto many , let all such rejoyce and be glad in the lord who have thus seen his day , and tasted of his power , and are witnesses that the kingdome is come which never fades away . 2. consider what the tender dealings of god towards you , and his gentle leadings have been since he hath called you out of your former strayed estate ; hath not his light shined upon your tabernacle with much clearnesse , perswading your hearts fully of his way and truth ? hath not your hearts often been refreshed , and your souls truly comforted by the refreshing presence of the lord ? hath not the way of life been made so clear unto you , and the way of your peace so perfectly discovered , that no occasion hath been left of unbelief or stumbling unto the upright in heart ? surely the lord hath not been wanting to you in any of these things , but he hath so reached home by his word and spirit to your hearts and consciences with such full convictions and perswasions in the wayes of salvation , that no sincere heart can doubt or waver concerning the things pertaining to his souls peace and comfort ; for so large and evident hath gods testimony been unto you , ever since he first called you by his grace , that no man having sense and experience thereof , but must bear witness that the lord hath been good , long-suffering , full of mercy and righteousness towards all that fear him ; i am perswaded ye know these things , and that the tast and virtue of the lords mercies and power remains stedfast in your remembrance and enjoyment , even his mercies and loving kindness that have been made manifest to you since ye have known the lord , who hath led you by the hand as a father doth his children , and carried you in his arms of preservation , and born you on his shoulders in all your afflictions , insomuch that through his power and wisdom onely , we are yet alive , and the adversary hath not prevailed against us , though his attempts hath often been great to destroy us . 3. consider what is now your present state and standing ? how is it with your inward man ? in what life and strength and dominion is he ? is he strong over all the corruptible , or is he weak under corruption ? is he in the growth of a perfect man , of the stature of christ jesus ? is he so begotten and born in you , that life hath swallowed up death ? hath he victory over the grave , and doth he reign in you , even the new man , the spiritual man , the immortal man , christ in you , is he come in power and dominion to dwell with you ? dearly beloved , mind each particular in what state you are , and what is your present standing to god-wards ? have ye had faith in god , and love to god , and boldness for god , and are ye firmly continued therein , or is any such weakened and decreased in these things ? is your love grown cold , and your zeal lost , and your confidence decayed ? if it be thus with any , their present state is not aright before the lord , but they must repent & return to their first love , and return again to the witness of the spirit of christ within them that their strength may be renewed , for they onely that dwell with the lord in faithfulness and abides in covenant with him must see his glory , and be fed daily with the bread that comes down from heaven , and refreshed with the fountain of endless mercies ; if so be ye be perfect with the lord after your inward man , strong and lively and zealous , faithful and constant , having a clean heart and a pure conscience , guiltless and underfiled before god , this is to be perfect with the lord , and if ye are thus , blessed are you ; if ye be encreased daily in the love and life of the father , if your inward man grow in the wisdom and power and knowledge of the creator , if ye receive the assurance of eternal life in your selves ; if this be your present state , oh happy people , who is like unto you , because ye are saved of the lord. 4. what is the present work of god in your own hearts ? ye must alwayes feel the word of god abiding in you , even the word in the heart ; hear that word and do it always , and your souls shall live by the word of god ; that word beats down whatsoever tempts and draws from god which would defile you , and load you consciences , and vex the spirit , for if any obey the temptations , they become darkned , unbelief enters , and the fruites of it grows , and then there is a falling from the lord , and a departing from his way of salvation ; therefore mind the power and spirit of christ in you , and be constant and faithful therein , that you may be preserved unto the finishing of the work of the lord in you , that at last ye may sit down in the heavenly places in christ jesus , in places of peace , and comfort , and assurance for ever , where the lord is enjoyed all in all , which you must wait for to be accomplished in you according to the promise , and you must witness the work of christ in you , he must work in you by his spirit regeneration , reconciliation ; sanctification , justification , and all good things , for it is not sufficient to profess that christ in his person hath wrought the works of god , but every one in particular must witness at this day the work of the spirit of christ in his own heart , even the work of reconciliation and salvation , that ye may in each mans particular receive the knowledge and experience of the lords work , of his love , and life , and salvation , and redemption in particular ; for though never so large testimonies in general should be given to you , or received by you concerning christ jesus and his salvation , yet the particular feeling of the love and power of god in your own hearts must you stand by in the day of tryal , for that alone can uphold in the day of troubles , even the testimony of the spirit of christ unto salvation , felt in each particular heart . and seeing the lord hath brought you to the knowledge of his truth , so in conversion and rageneration , that many can say 〈…〉 the way of the lord is so made manifest , that we look not for another , nor are doubtful of the way of eternal life ; therefore be established stedfast and constant in that way , not easily moved nor tossed too and fro with men , nor new doctrines , nor changeable things , but approve your hearts in uprightness before the lord , by being faithful to the end , faithful i say to be and do , according to the measure of light and grace and knowledge that god hath already committed to you , that ye may not offend against the grace of god , but may glorifie the lord in your souls and spirits , being joyned in your hearts , and married to the living god , and the lord becomes your husband according to the promise ; but if any be of a changeable spirit , such will receive temptations , and go out of the covenant of god , and abuse the gift of god , if their heart be not meek , and lowly , and humble , and perfect in the sight of god , though there may be a tast of the love of god , yet there can be no assureance of it if the heart be not aright before the lord , and faithful and constant in his truth ; and therefore all must wait to receive the assurance of eternal life in themselves , even such an assurance of life , and peace , and joy , and comfort , that there can be no departing away , being established in the heir-ship never to loose the crown , heirs of the power of god , of his wisdom , of his righteousnesse , inheriters and possessors of the eternal life , that ye may dwell in the house for ever , not onely as servants , but as sons ; not onely as such that have tasted of the love of god , but as such as are born heirs thereof , and must inherit the same for ever . now dear friends , if this were my last unto you , more then this the lord hath not to say by me ; and last of all in the spirit of the lord jesus , i charge all the saints to he faithful to the principles and doctrines which ye have heard and received , and been taught of christ through his gospel . oh be not inconstant of unfaithful in those principles and doctrines which the spirit of god hath perswaded your consciences of the truth of ; for if any are unfaithful , they deny the lord of life before men , and must be denyed of him before the father ; therefore let us put on strength and courage to be faithful and constant in life or death , to follow the lamb wheresoever he goes , and if we must suffer for our profession and practice of those truths which god hath perswaded our consciences of the verity of , we shall never be ashamed nor confounded before the adversary , though we gain tribulations , persecutions , yea death it self for the name of the lord and his truth , yet we shall obtain the crown of glory which never fades away : and verily all the sufferings and afflictions of this present time , are not worthy to be compared to that weight of peace and comfort , which is and shall be revealed amongst us . and as concerning our obedience to government , ever since we were a people , ye know what our principle and practise in that case hath been , even to obey all men in all things , either by doing or suffering , it at any time ye are required to do any thing by any in authority which is not agreeing , but contrary to the scriptures example of the saints , and the spirit of christ in your own consciences , then ye are to suffer whatsoever , if it be death it self rather then to obey and submit to the doing of that which is contrary to a good conscience , this hath ever been our principle and practise since we were a people , agreeing with the practise of the holy prophets , apostles and martyrs in all ages , who rather did suffer grievous oppressions and persecutions , then to obey any command of men in power , by doing any thing contrary to the testimony of the spirit of god in their own particulars ; let us all be like-minded this day , not to do , nor bend , nor be in any wise contrary to the spirit of christ that dwels in us , but rather suffer whatsoever may be imposed then to sin against that light and knowledge of the spirit of christ which he hath given us , but let us keep a clean heart and a pure conscience to god-wards , and therein we shall triumph over all in our inward man , though our outward man be afflicted , and in this we shall have peace and comfort in god over all our adversaries . and as concerning your meetings , the lord hath given you the testimony of his spirit in you for the verity and righteousness thereof , though ye should suffer persecution for the same , yet ye have the spirit of christ testifying in your hearts that this way and practise of meeting together ( as our practise hath been ) is of god , and he justifies us in the same , and we have suciffient of assurance by the holy spirit to stand faithful in that practise of assembling together to worship god. first , we have the testimony of scriptures and exple of saints in the apostles daies , to prove this practice of meeting together ; the first christians they met together in this manner and way as we do now , they met in private houses , and from house to house separate and apart from the publique synagogues and all other sects ; and it is clear that we have the example of saints and scriptures proof for this our practise of meeting together . 2. we have our own experience for this diverse years , how that the spirit of the lord hath moved our hearts to assemble together , and the presence and power of the lord jesus christ hath been amongst us , and we have tasted of the goodnesse and love of the lord , being so met together , how often hath the lord met with us and his countenance shined upon us , and our souls have been refreshed , strengthned and comforted in this practise of meeting together ; these things are true , and may confirm us in this practise of meeting together , and to be faithful to the end . 3. we have the full perswasions of the spirit of god lively and fervent in our hearts at this moment , that we ought not to neglect the assembling of our selves together , but that god requires it of us , and it is his will that his people meet together to worship him in spirit and truth , separate from all the world even in one spirit , and in the name and power of jesus i hope ye are all like-minded herein , and that the spirit of christ perswades your consciences in the truth of that practise , therefore be faithful unto god herein , and sin not against the testimony of scriptures and example of the first christians , nor against your own experience , nor against the admonitions of the servants of the lord , who are the first fruits unto god since the apostacy , and have again and again in the name and spirit of christ exhorted you to meet together ; wherefore be faithful to perform your duty of god in that particular whatsoever sufferings should be infflicted upon you by the men of this world . and as concerning refusing to take any oath , ye know it hath been our principle and practise so to do since the lord hath given us knowledge of his wayes , and the spirit of the lord that dwels in us , perswadeth our hearts to deny all swearing , both as it was practised under the law , according to the command of god , & in the types & figures , & as it is practised among the christians since the apostles daies , which is as now practised , idolatry and superstition ; and i say the spirit of christ doth confirm our hearts in this truth , even to deny all swearing , and also we have the expresse command of christ and of the apostle iames forbiding all swearing by heaven and earth and all other oaths , which bears witnesse to the truth of our refusing to swear at this day ; likewise we have the testimony of many holy martyrs and prophets since the apostles daies , who denied to swear on any wise , who suffered for such their testimony . all which evidences may justly confirm the hearts of gods people at this day faithfully to hold out their testimonie of refusing to swear at all , seeing we have a cloud of witnesses that testifie with us , the expresse command and christ and the apostle ; the testimonie of diverse holie men in diverse ages , who suffered for the same , and the present perswasions of the spirit of christ in our own hearts ; all which are sufficient to give courage and boldness under all sufferings and afflictions that we may meet withall , for refusing to swear . well friends , be faithful to god in these and all other things which god hath given you light and knowledge in , and i do warn all to keep a clear conscience , and not to sin against the light and knowledge , that god hath given you , either by denying to professe and practise that truth which the lord hath perswaded your hearts of , or by conforming to any thing which ye know is not of the truth , and this is the way of eternal peace with god ; but if any shall through the temptations of the adversarie , and for the love and fear of this world deny the lord , and renounce good conscience and be unfaithful , such must bear the burthen of the lords anger because of their back-slidings and revoltings from the waies of god. true it is , this is a day of great trial , yet the lord is strong and gives strength unto all his people that wait upon him . and let us be mindful what our controversie is , and with whom , this day our controversie is for the lord and his truth , to do faithfully and suffer patiently whatsoever the will of the lord is unto us , & not to renounce and deny the exercise of our pure consciences in those things that god hath perswaded our hearts of the truth of ; for if any this day should be unfaithful , either by doing what they should not , or leaving undone what they know they should do ; if any deny the lord and his truth , and conform to the false waies & worships of men , such loses the controversie , and gives the cause of god into the hand of your enemies , which is a fearful abomination , and the controversie is with that spirit which opposeth us in these things which we know are of the lord. it is with the spirit that we must contend , contend i say by the spirit of the father , in long-suffering and patience and good will towards all men , and not with the weapons of this world in envie to any , even with that spirit which doth oppose our meeting together to worship god , and would impose oaths & things upon us contrary to our consciences ; and these things are the main matters of controversie this day , which the spirit of christ in us must oppose , being imposed on us by the spirit of the world . so all friends are to mind to be faithful to the spirit of christ and its perswasions , and against that spirit which is not of him ; for the opposition is between the two spirits , and none must say the things required to be forborn or to be done are but small matters in themselves , and may be done or not done without offence , this king of reasoning may be dangerous , and may easily divert from the obedience of christ ; for we are not to look so much at the things in themselves which are required to be done or to be forborn , as at the spirit which doth impose upon us in such cases against pure conscience , if the spirit be not of god we must not obey it in the least things ; for this is indeed the matter of conscience , not so much particular things or actions , as the spirit that is not of god , where it requires things against good conscience , for whatsoever that spirit requireth , be it little or much in respect of the action , it must not be obeyed and that for conscience sake , for this is a good conscience that cannot do nor conform to any thing which the spirit that is not of god enjoyneth , though therefore suffering be inflicted on the outward man. and last of all , i do advise and exhort that ye have love and unity in the spirit of the lord and one with another , that oneness of heart and soul and spirit may be amongst us , being bound up in the holy covenant of the father , even willing to do or suffer one for another , and in this spirit of unity the lord will blesse us , and make us strong and able to go thorow joyfully all our afflictions ; but if any strife or division be in the bodie , it weakens the whole , if one member vex another through discord , this is not of the father but contrary to him , this is not for the safetie of the body ▪ but bruises it and woundeth it , and may more afflict the soul of the righteous then all outward enemies , and strife and contention arising out of our own bowels , may sooner work an overthrow then all the oppositions that can come from men . oh therefore as a brother to some , and as a father to many , and as a servant to all , let me entreat and beseech that ye follow those things which makes for peace , that ye love one another as christ has loved you , and that ye be like minded in all things , even one as the father and the son are one , and so shall the blessings of the lord never depart from you ; for dear friends , the lord hath never been wanting unto us , but alwaies near at hand to fill us with his riches and treasure ; and are not we vessels of honour , is not his name in our fore-heads , are not we the flock of his fold ? therefore let us honour him by the works of truth , of love , of mercy , and all the works of righteousnesse , let us bring forth fruits unto the father , thereby proving that we are true branches in christ the vine , and let us give up to suffer all things patiently for the testimony of his truth written in our hearts ; if we live let it be to him only , and if we die l●t it be for him , having the seal of his good spirit in us , that whether we live or die , we are the lords . e. b. a certaine sound, or, an alarm sounded to the persecuting episcopalians in and about the cities of london & westminster those bloody cities in many whoredoms, and to the rest of that sect throughout the nations who prophanely, bloodily, or maliciously now have, or heretofore have had any hand in persecuting the innocent servants and prophets of the most high, for the exercise of their pure conscience to the lord god their creator. billing, edward, 1623-1686. 1665 approx. 27 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 8 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. text creation partnership, ann arbor, mi ; oxford (uk) : 2004-05 (eebo-tcp phase 1). a28148 wing b2899 estc r32746 12752808 ocm 12752808 93340 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a28148) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 93340) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 1521:3) a certaine sound, or, an alarm sounded to the persecuting episcopalians in and about the cities of london & westminster those bloody cities in many whoredoms, and to the rest of that sect throughout the nations who prophanely, bloodily, or maliciously now have, or heretofore have had any hand in persecuting the innocent servants and prophets of the most high, for the exercise of their pure conscience to the lord god their creator. billing, edward, 1623-1686. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 14 p. [s.n.], london printed : 1665. signed at end e.b. 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ascii text with mnemonic sdata character entities); displayable xml (tcp schema; characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or text strings within braces); or lossless xml (tei p5, characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or tei g elements). keying and markup guidelines are available at the text creation partnership web site . eng church of england -controversial literature. society of friends -apologetic works. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-01 aptara keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-02 mona logarbo sampled and proofread 2004-02 mona logarbo text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a certaine sound ; or , an alarm sounded , to the persecuting episcopalians , in , and about the cities of london & westminster , those bloody cities , in many whoredoms ; and to the rest of that sect throughout the nations , who prophanely , bloodily , or maliciously , now have , or heretofore have had any hand in persecuting the innocent servants , and prophets of the most high , for the exercise of their pure conscience to the lord god their creator . london , printed in the year , 1665. a certain sound ; or , an alarm sounded , to the persecuting episcopalians , &c. to that spirit , in the power of the living god of heaven and earth , i affirm ; that there is an immortal lilly sprang up , as also an eternal river flowing freely ( without money or outward price ) through the nations ; the root of the one being as far out of your reach to destroy ( though you do dig as deep as hell ) as the immense fountain and everlasting current of the other is out of your vultrous sight , which way to withhold from the heart and conscience of the truly thirsty : for our testimony in the light of jesus , from that eternal fountain , is powerful and clear , and shall have its full and infallible effect , though now resisted by the whole seed of evil-doers to the utmost of their perishing strength ; and the numberless and most immerciful cruelties which you inflict upon the innocent people of god , are so far from depressing the everlasting gospel which we preach , us , or our faithful testimony therein and against your false ways and abominations , that it doth , & shall add life & growth to the truth of our for-ever blessed and most precious cause , and cause your selves indellibly to be recorded to posterity as you are , when the name of the holy witnesses to , & martyrs for , the truth of our god shall remain as a sweet-smelling savour , living for ever , though their bodies die by your hands . and some of our very little ones [ now living ] shall rejoyce in their souls before the lord god of their fathers , that they were the off-spring of a martyr , or that their parents in any measure stood faithful to god in this your day of heavy persecution . and that i am in the eternal sight of this , if my god think me worthy , i am ready to seal with my blood , though my sepulcher , for declaring this truth , should be on the bridge and four gates of your city . and , as though that accursed womb of your bloody cities , to wit , newgate ▪ that now dismal pest-house , were not big enough to devour the sheep of jesus your saviour , in which , as prisoners for the truth , at least forty of his innocent lambs called quakers have laid down their lives ( through , as is most like , the pestilential infection of that place ) since the lord 's just hand of vengeance hath brought it upon these your cities of many whoredoms , as the beginning of their sorrows : beside , about sixty of the same royal seed and fold , have been prisoners till death in that one goal since your act against conscience was made , also sealing their testimony with their blood , as became the martyrs of the most high. and yet , as if all this innocent blood , with the rest of your innumerable imprisonments , blows , and bruises , unjust fining , praemuniring , confiscating of estates , making widows and fatherless , ruining families , frequent shedding our blood in your streets and canels , at our holy meetings , &c. were not enough even to implore as it were gods further vengeance upon your heads , † you drag and drive from that your goale of newgate at one time , * to the water-side , and there force into a barge , boat , or boats , fifty four of the servants of your creator , from thence hurry towards an old sorry rotten ship , which was ordered to receive & transport them beyond the seas , like slaves and vagabonds , for no other offence given to you , on their parts , but only serving the living god according to his most holy way : to which bad vessel side these freeborn innocents being come , and not having freedom in the lord , at the command of your goalors and their accomplices , voluntarily or actively to go in to the † ship themselves , thereby to acknowledge a crime , or that criminal , which god , in the law of his christ our redeemer , allows ( to wit ) their meeting often together to wait , & call upon his most holy name in spirit and truth , without restriction of time , place or number ; for obeying this royal law of god , conferr'd on the universe in the messias , our immanuel , the absolute supream and alone head of our church , and disobeying your edict to the contrary , they are sentenced to banishment ; i say , because of this , with a good conscience , they could not voluntarily go into the ship , and consent to their own unnatural , aswel as unlawful , banishment and slavery . the souldiers , and some of the superactive baser sort ( of whom paul complained ) that were imployed by you to drive and hale the innocent , like sheep to your slaughter ( who resisted them not ) without tenderness or contrition , by way of scorn , cryed , throw out the tackle , throw out the tackle , that we may hale up the kings goods : which accordingly they did , fastening it about the bodies of the innocent , and so slung up into the ship the lambs of the living god , as they do cattel and other lading : who indeed , as found faithful ( notwithstanding the derision of the ishmaels of this age ) are the good and peculiar treasure of the king of kings , for whose sake earthly kings and rulers have , and again will be rebuked in the day of further revelation of his most terrible indignation , which hastens . being thus inhumanely , and utterly contrary to the law of this land , forced on shipboard ; their lodging ( such as it was ) was appointed under a base low deck , where they were ramm'd together like other stowage ; and this very bad ship being bulgy , leaky , or the like , the water came in upon them , and ran frequently under them where they lay : by which means , and the suffocatious heat that might arise through their being so cramb'd together ( it's like ) the pestilence encreased among them , whereof at least twenty seven of the bodies of these [ so misused ] fifty four are dead . and notwithstanding the ship is yet unsailed , riding at anchor in the river of thames , gods just judgment having overtaken her master , who was about three moneths-since clapt up in prison for debt , the mate having left him and the ship , several of the mariners being dead of the pestilence , others of them come away , whether convinced of the unlawfulness of their undertaking , i shall not here determine , having not spoken with the men face to face ; but of this i am certainly enformed , that the more ruffinlier sort , who stayed behind , did , or threatned to fire guns after them , when they left the ship and came on shore : this being put altogether , viz. what has befallen the ship-master , his mate leaving him , the death of several of the mariners , and some of them forsaking the rest , the ship as yet unable to sail , having been clear'd at the custom-house about a quarter of a year since ; who sees not the hand of god against these accursed undertakings ? yet so blind , or rather wilfully wicked you are , that i have not heard that any one , in considerable authority , hath so much as endeavoured that the rest of these , yet living innocents , might be released from their , so unjust , cruel bondage and banishment ; but on the contrary , i have heard some in their stiffneckedness blasphemously say , cannot your god defend you from the plague , in prison , out of prison , at sea or land ? &c. to such i plainly answer , as a living man yet upon the earth ; my god can preserve me if he please , and i do believe in my heart will , if it be for his glory , and that he hath any further service for me to do among ye ; if not , his eternal will be done in earth as it is in heaven . and i am as fully assured , that if it had stood with his most holy will , and that in his uncomprehensible wisdom he had seen it meet , to have made those innocents further or otherwise more eminently serviceable to him , and his truth upon the earth , he could and would have delivered them out of your hands , or in your hands , under this your most vile usage , preserved them from your drinking their innocent bloud ; but then , if not for this , and such like doings , how should the measure of your iniquities be filled up ? however , we have not at any time preached or affirmed , that our outward bodies were immortal , but liable , for the confirmation of our immortal testimony , even to suffer by your spirit and generation much outward misery , unnatural cruelties , death , and what not ; as was our blessed saviour , his holy disciples and followers by those jews and monarchs of old , in whose dayes they appeared on the earth ; and they were as obnoxious and odious to their then hierarchy & monarchy as the right true christian man , called quaker , is now to yours ; and all your jewish usage of us his now disciples and servants , we as really feel , as he and his did theirs . nevertheless , were i sure to dye many deaths by your hands , whilst i continue in gods fear , i cannot fear you , because you are so very wicked and unjust : but , if you could the soul destroy , as well as th' body kill ; you were indeed then much to be fear'd for doing ill . and that it hath pleased the infinite wise god that in this common calamity , which is come upon the nation because of your unparalleld abominations ( and that no flesh may arise to glory in his sight ) some of our bodies who have not sin'd with you , fall with , or rather by you , do not therefore rejoyce as the former jews ( uncircumcised in heart and ears ) did , over jesus the just one , and the then holy people that believed in his testimony ; saying , that he was as one smitten or forsaken . he that hath saven others let him now save himself . and that his good apostle was a perverter of their laws ; a sower of sedititon ; a turner of the world upside down , &c. i say , do not hereby stiffen your necks , nor strengthen your ungodly hands against the lord and his anointed , because the outward bodies of the godly and prophane dye alike : for when they ( the former jews ) thus drank innocent blood , and magnified themselves against the innocent and righteous , then loe their destruction was nigh ; and behold yours slumbers not , and the dregs of the cup , without mixture of pitty , you shall as surely drink at the hands of our god , as you now torment , banish , and drink the bloud of us his people and servants . and alas , poor animals , for what you can in the mean time do against our rock , or us in him ; you do but in your most impetuous wills fight with the wind , and in very great confusion beat the air of your own imaginations ; for we know right well you are limited by him whose seed you would limit . and i sensibly declare unto you , by the authority , and in the power of the living god , the root of that lilly or vine from which we sprang up , into which by the grace of his eternal love we are ingrafted , and in which , through infinite mercy , we grow and prosper in the lord , cannot be prevailed against ; and in the end you will as surely feel and find it so , as ever you were born . for the mountain of the house of our god , is , must , and shall be established upon the top of all unholy mountains whatsoever . and have you not heard , and every since we were a people , we have carried our lives in our hands ? and is it not manifestly seen and known to all men now living in these nations , who are not wilfully blind , that through the god of our life that strengthens us , we have not valued our liberties , outward estates , preferments , even lives and all , to the death , in comparison of our faithful testimony for gods immortal and most glorious truth , before you , that now are , were in outward power ? and have we not in this your day of thrice woful and heavy persecution , again and again confirmed and sealed this our testimony with our blood , and the purely offering up of all that hath been near and dear unto us as men ? and is there not so much as one considerate considerable gamaliel among you , to consider these things ? however , let not the prophane , so much as think in their dark sensuality , who were never known of themselves , to conquer any thing , but themselves with drink , whordoms , violences , oathes , and such like bestialities , to overcome us who believe and walk in the light , who have taken up the cross of christ jesus for our armour , in which we sensibly feel the power of god leading to , and surrounding us in his salvation . nay , nay , be it known unto you all , that do but so much as think or wish ill to israel this day , there are among us who in the power of the lamb are more than conquerors over whatsoever it's possible for you to say , do , or think to do against us for truth : and unto such a strange thing cannot befal , neither any evil tidings from you affright them , because we fear not as you fear , neither hope as you hope ; for while we live , we love to serve our creator , chusing gladly to obey the motions and commands of the law of his spirit , written in our hearts , rather than so much as taste of the pleasures , or rather bondage , of your not to be paralleled wickednesses , w ch shal last you but for a season ( mark that ) so that when he who gave us breath ( creating us and you to serve and obey him ) is pleased to call for our souls , standing in his fear ( out of your false fear , vain hope and glory ) we are ready with joy and gladness to answer to his command , who saith , come ye blessed , enter into eternal rest , prepared for the lambs of the fold , &c. but with the swearer , lyer , whoremonger , superstitious , idolater , and ungodly prophane persecutor of gods innocent flock , it cannot be so ; for they shall then dread ( though they now make merry over the lords witness and witnesses ) that most dreadful and irrevocable malediction , go ye cursed ; yea , when such come to dye , the light of christ jesus ( with which every man is enlightned that comes into the world ) shall arise in the conscience to the utter condemnation of all those who in their life-time have despised or disobeyed it . then shall the betrayers of the just , and hard-hearted imprisoners of the innocent to death , for obeying it , know what it is to be a iudas or a pharaoh : then shall the worldly-wise and rich , with the false divining hireling , their frontier and leader , who serpent-like , to save self , have bowed to , and even twisted about every green and dry tree , that in the deceit hath stood up , feel the parable of dives , and know that lazarus the poor , poor in spirit , in the faithfulness , is the seed that doth and must inherit . now if you be men , and would be deemed in any measure rational to posterity , for what you do , & have done against us , positively declare what 's the evil these people called quakers , as a people , have done , or if you have ought against them but for their worshipping the living god of heaven and earth , in spirit , truth , and righteousness : nay farther , if they have left undone any thing that they ought to have done ; in the spirit of god , and according to the scriptures of truth , make it appear : for our souls delight to be , and are subject to the higher , or highest power : and in my heart i intend most willingly , and for conscience sake , actively to be obedient to every ordinance of man , which is , or shall be made for the lords sake ; i say , by plain scripture , command of jesus our lord , or pure example from his holy apostles , detect our principle and practice if you can ; and without supposition or false allegation , orderly set forth to the world what detriment we have brought upon the good people of these nations , since it pleased the lord first to raise us up therein ; and also what the evil is that we have done you , who have thus spilt and drank our blood without mercy . have we done ought against you , except reprove you for your rending and damming , superstition and idolatry , prophane and unmanly , as well as antichristian persecution , with the rest of your superabounding evils and uncleanesses , in which you wallow , that you might repent , amend your lives and be saved ? i say again , produce your charge against us under your hands , plainly and directly setting forth and declaring matter of fact only , without allegation , dubious supposition , or any manner of clandestine trick or intreague of state-policy , dissonant to scripture , or forreign to the matter ; that it may be transmitted to the ends of the earth , or at least so far as your spirit hath traduced , or made odious , us , or our principle ; that all reasonable and unprejudiced people in the world , may judge whether it bear in it cause enough thus to kill us in your coals and holes , force and banish us out of our nation , where of we are as free-born as your selves . and when you have thus manifestly , plainly and publickly emitted your charge into the world , then lay by your swords , clubs , goals , and ungodly laws , and bring forth your priests also , ( with whom , if not for whom you thus engage soul and body ) and let them publickly , thorowly , and equally dispute your and their religion , and what they can vive voce , face to face say , or rather prove against us , or our principle in religion , who in the spirit of truth serve and fear the lord , by you called quakers . i am sure , if they ( your priests ) be spiritual men , or but so much as spiritually minded , it cannot be denyed on their parts : and this would be a good way to try spirits , and for you and them to try and hear truth , and be tryed by it ( and true religion is a spiritual , not a state matter ) and whoso is found in the error , let the smooth stone of david be slang into their hearts by the hand of a holy man to convince , and the sword of the lord run through and through them , as his most holy spirit shall give utterance . and if to that they will not submit , leave it to the lord of the harvest ; for further , or contrary to this , no man , or power upon earth , hath commission from christ jesus to act . so consider well what church you are of , and whose servants and ministers you are , that instigate the rulers ( who are too apt of themselves ) to imprison and hew down the innocent with carnal swords , promp and help parliaments to make laws against us , move the inferiour magistrates to execute them , and cause dissolute souldiers to tear us out of our holy meetings , from thence drag and drive us into your goals and dungeons , there to be kept till banishment or death ; whereby ( in the curse ) you rend assunder the endeared husband from the tender and faithfull wife , ( whom god hath joyned together ) dislocating the blessed child from the righteous parent , the faithful servant from his honest master , and calling the master from the servant , &c. if this be christian or apostolical , i know not what is antichristian and diabolical . most certain i am , precept from christ , example from his apostles , or the least seeming vestage in any of their writings for such doings you cannot pretend , and the right generous english spirit abhors such salvagism as hell. then in this matter who are you like , or to whom may i compare you but your selves ? except in that of your oaths of alleageance and supreamacy , you run parallel with the roman episcopalians in the late marian persecution , with the sacrament of their altar ; the one they used as a roman gin against the then martyrs , the other you impose as an antichristian snare upon us , the now obeyers of the true christ , who saith , swear not at all ▪ &c. for often-times when neither your selves , your late made cruel edicts , nor the multitude , ( who for the most part have been for you , against us ) can raise seeming plausible matter enough against the truly innocent , to ensnare and incasserate their persons , then i have often seen and observed your last subterfuge to be , ( viz. ) o but will you take the oath of alleageance ! and sometimes it 's , will you take the oaths of alleagiance and supremacy ? † whenas for pure conscience-sake we who profess christianity , and are christians indeed , as wel as in words , cannot , may not , dare not swear , by heaven , earth , evangelists , or any other oath whatsoever , because the promised messiah , and performed oath of god , of whom oaths under the law were a type , hath commanded us in express words , but i say unto you , swear not at all ; but let your yea , be yea , and your nay , nay , &c. and his apostle iames saith , above all things , my brethren , swear not * : so that being absolutely commanded by the son of god , and precautioned , or rather confirmed by his good apostle , whose indispensable commands and doctrine should be catholick ; however , to us that are not our own , but bought and re-redeemed with a price , even the blood of our immaculate lord , it sufficeth ; and therefore we dare not , may not turn his immortal law behind our backs , nor tread his most precious blood under our feet . and i do believe in my heart , most of you cannot but know before-hand , even before you offer us an oath , that it is our avowed principle not to swear at all ; and we dare not assume that unholy liberty , or accursed dispensation , to break that most sacred , most royal , and indispensible law of our redeemer ; as many of you lately did for your ungodly ends , when against your consciences , and against your earthly king , you sware , to be true and faithful to the commonwealth , as it was then established , without king or house of lords . nay , with us it is nothing so ; for the truly faithful most gladly suffer the loss of all , even to the death , rather than against their conscience break one iota of their king of kings command ; and he that wilfully breaks one , is guilty of all : even so he that is not faithful in a little , shall never be made a ruler in much . so that i cannot say , for what you do against us , ( as also against your own souls and consciences ) as christ said to the old iews , you know not what you do : but i can truly say , you know not , or at least wisely consider not what will follow for these your most unreasonable outrages . indeed , most of our present adversaries are men of oaths , much addicted to swearing and cursing ; for , and under which the good people of the land do bitterly mourn , and they themselves shall howl , though at the present they trample under their feet , as a thing of nought , the name of our god , imploring him often to damn and sink them ; insulting over his innocent seed , plowing broad , deep and most inhumane furrows on the backs of his righteous people at their pleasure , contrary to all law and good reason : not less than five or six thousand of us , called quakers , imprisoned at a time , since you called episcopal protestants came into outward power . thus have you killed us all your day long , and exposed to outward ruine the families of the faithful in the land , making many widows , oppressing their fatherless , even as it were chopping them and theirs in pieces , as flesh for your cauldron , according to the edict of your own hearts lust ; yet in all this you are no conquerours ; and which is far worse , for all this you shall come to iudgment : for the mower saith , all flesh is grass ; and , accursed is the man that trusteth in man , or maketh flesh his arm . and , lord , if what 's already done , and in their hearts to do , be not enough to fill the measure up of those , who on thy holy people , for their pure conscience , do impose . on me lay on thy pondrous weight , give me but strength to bear ; permit them , lord , my blood to drink , and flesh to tear . yet , lord , i 'm not i th' hast , but on thy holy leisure cry , how long , how long ! o lord my god , most holy , just , and high . for , lord , i know deliverance to thy seed , nor evil to the city can be done , good or vengeance wrought thereon , but by thy holy self alone . therefore freely , and with all my heart , the manner , way , and final disquisition of these things i leave to thee , my god , who art the king of kings , transmuter and establisher of all things . vita , veritate omniaque . e. b. the end . notes, typically marginal, from the original text notes for div a28148-e90 † when as the blood of one innocent man is fully able to overthrow a nation , much more a hundred , two prophane superstitious and hypocritical cities . * besides at three other times very lately before you dragg'd out of that goal , and in like manner forced on shipboard , eighteen innocent true men , called quakers ; whereof one of them , through your most savage usage , immediately as you had forced him on ship-board fell down upon the deck , and soon after dyed . † in which one among your selves ( in no mean authority ) said , he would not sail to gravesend in , to have her . † for the denyal of both , or either , great are the numbers of us that have been imprisoned , even several to death ; and yet i have not known any roman catholick that hath suffered either imprisonment , or so much as loss of preferment [ among you ] for refusing the latter , whenas they do acknowldge a forreign head , and he is but a man : and it is as well known that we christians do , nor ever did acknowledge any other head of our church but christ alone ; so that if i were of an aggravating spirit , i might say , why us , and not the papists ? but it 's not my principle to irritate or stir up any against another to ease my self ; but i feel who you favour and who you hate . * this could not be meant prophane swearing , for under the law that was forbidden , viz. thou shalt not take the name of the lord thy god in vain ; but iudicial swearing was by the law of moses allowed . a faithful testimony concerning the true worship of god what it is in it self, and who are the true vvorshippers : in opposition to all the false worship in this nation, which is idolatry, which is discovered in its foundation, and in its manifestation, not to be ever commanded of god, or practised by his apostles and saints, but it is declared to consist chiefly of such things and practises as had their first beginning and ordination in the church of rome ... and this is written for a general good to all such as are worshipping in temples made with hands / by e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30523 of text r36302 in the english short title catalog (wing b6002). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 34 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 9 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30523 wing b6002 estc r36302 15642966 ocm 15642966 104275 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30523) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 104275) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 1182:3) a faithful testimony concerning the true worship of god what it is in it self, and who are the true vvorshippers : in opposition to all the false worship in this nation, which is idolatry, which is discovered in its foundation, and in its manifestation, not to be ever commanded of god, or practised by his apostles and saints, but it is declared to consist chiefly of such things and practises as had their first beginning and ordination in the church of rome ... and this is written for a general good to all such as are worshipping in temples made with hands / by e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. [2], 14 p. printed for thomas simmons ..., london : 1659. reproduction of original in the huntington library. eng catholic church -controversial literature. society of friends -apologetic works. protestantism -controversial literature. a30523 r36302 (wing b6002). civilwar no a faithful testimony concerning the true worship of god: what it is in it self, and who are the true vvorshippers. in opposition to all the burrough, edward 1659 6781 3 0 0 0 0 0 4 b the rate of 4 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the b category of texts with fewer than 10 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-01 aptara keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-02 jonathan blaney sampled and proofread 2004-02 jonathan blaney text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a faithful testimony concerning the true worship of god : what it is in it self , and who are the true vvorshippers . in opposition to all the false worship in this nation , which is idolatry , which is discovered in its foundation , and in its manifestation , not to be ever commanded of god , or practised by his apostles and saints ; but it is declared to consist chiefly of such things and practises as had their first beginning and ordination in the church of rome , whereby the hypocrisie of this generation doth appear , in denying and crying against the papists idolatries , and yet are found in the practise of the same thing in their church , ministry , and worship , which were first instituted by the pope's authority . and this is written for a general good to all such as are worshipping in temples made with hands ; by e. b. london , printed for thomas simmons , at the bull and mouth near aldersgate , 1659. a faithful testimony concerning the true worship of god , what it is in it self , and who are the true worshippers , &c. forasmuch as there is in the world a great controversie among people concerning the worship of god , one crying , this is the right worshp : another , that is the right worship ; and people in these nations are divided about the worship of god , and divers one from another in their performances and practices of worship , one sort worshipping after this manner , another after that , and there is great strife through the whole nation about this matter , and a great dis-satisfaction among people , which is the right worship , and who are the right worshippers , and thousands are desiring after the right worship of god , and to become worshippers of him as he requires : therefore now it is upon me to shew unto all the world what the true worship of god is in it self , and who are his true worshippers . first , the worship of god in it self is this ; it is a walking with god , and a living with him in converse and fellowship , in spirit and truth ; for he is onely worshipped therein ; and to do the truth , and speak the truth ; this is the true worship of god , where the mind is guided with the spirit of truth , and the presence of the lord felt at all times , and his fear in the hearts of people , and his councel stood in , and his covenant felt , which unites to the lord in spirit : this is the true worship of god , and it is without respect of times or things , and now none upon earth can thus worship god , but who are changed and renewed in heart and mind , and born of the spirit , and led thereby , where the body of sin and death is put off , such as are redeemed out of the world , and out of all its wayes and nature , such onely can worship god in the spirit and in the truth , and such is the father seeking to worship him now in this present age ; and there is never a one upon earth that can worship god as he requires , who remains unchanged , and are in the transgression , unrenewed and unconverted , such cannot worship the true and living god , but that which they perform and practise as the pretence of his worship , is idolatry and abomination , and the lord hath not required it at their hands ; for none can walk with god , nor have unity with him , but who are renewed and changed ; nor none can do the truth , and speak the truth in all things , but such who are led by the spirit of truth , and such are in the covenant of god , and true worshippers of him , and all that is contrary , is not the worship of god , but idolatry , as i have said . and now as concerning this worship practised in england in these steeplehouses , churches , ( so called ) it is not the worship of the living god , but superstition and idolatry , for people hath not learned it by the teachings of the spirit , neither doth the spirit lead them therein , but it stands in form without power , and in the inventions and traditions of the fathers , and there is not in it the manifest presence of god , neither do you worshippers meet with the lord , nor enjoy his pure life and presence in your practises ; and the substance of your worship ( as it is now practised ) is made up of inventions some part of your own , and some part brought along from the church of rome ; and is it not great hypocrisie in you to profess a denial of the church of rome , and yet be found practising some of the same things as your worship , which the church of rome first instituted and practised as her worship ? shall we instance unto you some particular things ? was it not by the authority of the church of rome , that these houses in which you worship , which you call churches , were first set up and made worshipping places for them ? and is it not a little while since that the mass , and the old popish stuff was therein exercised with as great zeal towards god , ( if not with as good sincerity ) as you practice yours at this day ? and are there not the very signs and symptoms of the romish idolatry yet upon these houses , being full of images on the walls , and on the pillars , and on the glass-windows and crosses about them , and many other things which were popish inventions , as also the names given unto them , and consecrated bells in them , and such like stuff ? and was it not a little while since that there was the altars , and the rails , and the font , and other such like things which lately were broken down ? but however though something there may be altered , and changed , and converted to another use , and something taken away , and other inventions brought in , instead thereof , yet still they are the same houses which you worship your god in , which houses were set up by the authority of the pope , and there remains yet the popes sign and symptome of the romish church upon them ; and these houses you call your churches , and thousand of thousands of blind ignorant people esteeming and respecting in their minds of these places more then of any other , supposing them to be more holy and that other places are not so good to worship in ; alas poor , blind , ignorant people , that deceives your own souls in the traditions & inventions of man , which you live in the practise of , supposing it to be the very worship of god , which is no other in it self but idolatry , and you idolaters ; for doth not all unconverted people , and unrighteous people , such who are not taught of the lord , nor led by his spirit , but daylie rushes into iniquity , and into evil , are not such found worshippers here in steeplehouses , conforming themselves to these things , and these practises ? and can such worship god ? or is god worshipped by such ? i tell you nay , the lord god is pure , and they that worship him , must be sanctified , and led by his spirit which leadeth into all truth : but now as concerning your present practises which your worship consists of , they are not such as ever the lord instituted , but such as men hath set up in their own wills and wisdom , and not in the lords . as for your sprinkling of infants , which is a chief practise of your worship , was not this first ordained at rome ? read the records . and was it not a popish invention which you are thus zealously reforming , as if it were indeed required of the lord ? can the unconverted and unregenerated be truly baptized into the faith of christ ? no ; but the unconverted and unregenerated are partakers of your baptism into the faith which you profess : there was no such practise in the christians church before the apostacy ; but when the apostacy came in , then came up these inventions and imitations which you practise as the worship of god , whenas he never required it , neither did his saints and his apostles ever give your example for it . and by it , nor in it , god is not worshipped ; neither is it in it self , nor as practised by you , any part of the worship of god , but stands in the inventions of man , and is after their traditions , and not after the commandments of the lord . and as for your singing of david's experiences in the form and manner as you do , practising it as another main part of your worship ; this is the same with the former , neither ever commanded of the lord , nor ( in the course and manner as you do it ) was it ever practised by the saints of old ; and is it any better then a popish invention ? for was the nation in any better state then popery , when that practise was first instituted and begun to be performed ; you your selves will confess that it was in the time of darkness , and through the ordination of the bishops and prelates , whom you your selves say were little better then papists in their worship and practise ; and yet this you practise at this day as a part of your worship , which hath no better beginning then as i have said , and from them you have received it , to wit , from the bishops and prelates ; yea , the chief part of your worship consists of the performances of such things as you have received traditionally from them , and from ●ome , for all these things they instituted . and as concerning your ministry , is it any other with that , then with these particulars as i have mentioned ? is it not the same ministry in substance , though in some particulars altered , as was in the dayes of popery and prelacy ? have not your ministers the same call to their ministry , and the same practise in their ministry , and the same maintenance at this day , as was in generations past , when this nation was under the cloud of darkness and ignorance , as your selves will confess ? are not they made ministers now by natural learning , receiving ordination from man , through the attainments of such arts , and sciences , & degrees , through natural learning and humane policy , not having their ministry by the gift of the holy ghost , no more then the papists and prelates had before them , who were made ministers by the same power , and after the same manner as these are : and it was the church of rome , and by the popish authority , that colledges and schools , to make ministers by them , were first ordained and set up ; and as that ministry was sent forth in the time of popery , by the same way and means ( generally as to substance ) are your ministers now sent forth , though in some particulars differing in matter of form , yet the same for substance : but christs ministers in the time of the true church , were not thus sent forth , but had received power from on high , and the gift of the holy ghost , whereby they were made able ministers , and not by any other thing , nor by any such means or way as your ministers now are set up and established ; and this ministry is differing from the true ministry which christ sent forth , and is not according , but contrary in all things ; and it is not the ministry of god which brings people to god ; but by this ministry people are not converted , but such it is that the true prophet cryed against ; they have run , saith the lord , and i have not sent them , therefore they shall not profit the people at all . and as for this maintenance of the ministry of the church of england , is it not the same as was in the days of popery & prelacy ? was it not by the popes authority that tythes were first established & set up to be the maintenance of his ministry ? & did not the romish church first ordain that the people should give the tenth to the use of religion , and to maintain their ministry ? if you search the records , you will find it so . and was it not the very practice of the papists and prelates ministers , to have hire , and great sums of money by the year , and stipends , and large benefits for preaching ; and the same things are practised by these ministers , which they have borrowed from the papists and prelates which went before them ; for are not these ministers maintained by tythes as the popes ministers were ? and have they not hire and great sums of money by the year , or quarterly , even as the papists and prelates had ? wherefore it is plain , that the maintenance of your ministers is the very same for substance as theirs were that went before you , which you your selves say were idolaters ; and if they were idolaters , how can you ministers be free which doth practice the very same things , unto the very same end ? and doth not the priests of this generation far exceed the papists and prelates ? was there ever in generations past such casting people into prison , and spoyling peoples goods , as is at this day through the means of these priests , and all about their maintenance , and for their tythes and hire , and yearly stipends , and quarterly gain ▪ did ever the papists or prelates worse in this particular , with any people that denyed them wages , then these do that denied ●hem oh! great blindness and ignorance is over your hearts , and great hypocrisie among your ministers , who profess a denial and dissenting from the church of rome , and cryes against them as hereticks , and that they are in ignorance , and yet practises the very same things ; their call is the very same to their ministry , and their maintenance the same , and practise in many things the very same as theirs were , which they seem to deny ; and this is great hypocrisie , to cast out and kill their persons , and yet to uphold in many things their practise , relating to their worship and their ministry : oh abominable idolatry ! the hand of the lord is against it . but this is not the way that christs ministers were maintained , they had no such hire nor great sums of money , nor yearly tythes , as these ministers have through the popes institution ; but into whatsoever house they entered , that was worthy , they might eat such things as were set before them , and the apostles might freely reap carnal things , where they had sown spiritual things ; but this was after another manner , and after another nature ; for if they had not that , yet did they not cast men into prison , and spoyle their goods that would not give it them , as this generation of teachers do ; and the lord god is risen to confound this worship and this ministry , which is idolatry , and this church , which is but a false feigned imitation , and he will establish his true worship that is in spirit and in truth ; and his true ministry that is by the gift of the holy ghost , and his true church ; and this shall be brought to pass in his day . but again , there is another practise which you have , which the church of rome , and the prelates had , ( your predecessors ) if any come in the name of the lord to declare against you , and against your abominations , to cry against your sin , and cry repentance among you , that you may be converted to god , this you account a great transgression , and persecutes them that doth it , by imprisoning , and whipping , and stocking , and by imposing great fines upon them , and causing them to suffer cruel things , and this did the papists and prelates in like manner as you do , if any was moved to cry against them , they indeed rewarded them even as you do at this day , the same thing you do against such as are moved of the lord to come among you ; and herein you succeed them , and brings forth the same persecution in your churches , as they did in their churches ; and this is the defence of your church , and of your ministry , carnal weapons , imprisonment , and whipping , and stocking , and causing the bodyes of people to suffer through cruelty and injustice , and by this means is your church & ministry defended & preserved , or otherwise it would presently fall , as not being able to continue nor resist , nor gain-say the spirit & power of god , which now is risen to oppose them , if they had not carnal laws , and earthly powers , and gaols , and houses of correction to defend themselves by : and is this the church of christ ? and is this christs ministry that have need of such weapons as these ? the apostles nor true churches never did thus , neither sent people to prison that opposed them , nor had such cruelty to execute upon the bodyes of people , though many did oppose them out of wickednesse , but the spirit and authority of the lord did defend them from all their enemies . but your church and ministry is manifest to be another then that was , and to be defended by another means , even by the same means that the papists and prelates of old were of a long time defended by ; but when the measure of these things are fulfilled , they will come to an end : as the measure of that generations iniquity was fulfilled which went before you , so in the lords season will your measure be fulfilled , and the lords people shall be free , and all bonds of iniquity broken . and thus it is manifest that this church and ministry succeeds the church of rome and her ministers , far more then the church of christ and its true ministers , & to that it is not equal in any thing , but to the church of rome it is comparable in many things ; so that it is manifest , that this church and ministry are not quite another then the church and ministry of rome , but such as hath dissented from them , and are truly sprung out of that root , and is the same still in substance , though differing in some practises , having cast out some old inventions , and brought in some new , but as i have said , remains still the same in nature and substance , though dissented in some particulars , yet succeedeth in many particulars , as i may shew more fully hereafter . and though you bare the name , and stile your selves , the reformed churches , you mean , reformed from the church of rome ; but how are you reformed ? but by some visible appearances , and not in the ground , having put off but some of her garments , and remains the same body for substance , in nature and matter , though differing onely in appearances ? for the church which is the true church of christ , is not thus reformed , onely changed in part , and altered in degrees , but the true church denies the church of rome in her very being and ground , and in all her practises whatsoever ; for though many sects have risen one from another , yet all the same for substance , onely differing in particulars : but as for you to whom this particular is written , that worship god in steeplehouses , you are not so much differing from the church of rome , as many others are , which are not true churches neither ; but the lord god is now gathering his people ; wherefore come out of your idol-worship , and idol-temples , for god dwells not in them , nor is not worshipped there , but he dwells and walks in his saints , and is worshipped in spirit and in truth , and his day is dawned , and his glory is risen , and he will confound this church and ministry which bears the marks of the romish whore , & hath her symptoms and characters remaining upon them unto this day , as it is manifest . and though some may object and say , that god commanded a temple to be builded for the worship of his name , and ordinances to be practised in the time of the old covenant . to which i do say , yea it was so , a temple was builded by solomon for the seed of the iews to worship in , and to come to sacrifice to the lord in , and there was an outward worship and ordinances ; but it is many hundred years since this temple was destroyed , and worship and ordinances thrown down , which god once commanded , and his people once practised ; and christ the life , the power , and wisdom of god , was the substance thereof , and unto whom he was made manifest , and in whom he was revealed in the spirit , they utterly renounced and denyed the temple , and the worship therein , though god once had commanded it ; and the saints after the manifesting of christ to them in spirit , and after that the holy ghost was given , we do not find through all the churches of the saints , that they worshipped in the temple of the iews , but witnessed against it , and said that god dwelt not in temples made with hands , neither was he worshipped in temples made with hands , but in the spirit , and in the truth their worship consisted , & therefore were persecuted ; but they bare witnesse against the temple , & the worship , & those ordinances which god once had commanded , & which once his people practised , though it was to the peril of their lives ; but as for these temples , and these ordinances , and this worship which are now on foot , they were never brought forth by any ordination or commandment of god , but the foundation of them was the inventions of men , and mens traditions taught them , and not the spirit of the lord , and therefore against those things , those temples , and those ordinances , and vvorships , much reason have we to cry against them all , as being neither sign nor substance of good , but wholly inventions of men . the jews temple and ordinance was signs of good things to come , and when the substance was come , the saints denyed the shadows and the figures ; but as for these , they are denyed wholly , as being idolatry and abomination from the beginning to the end of them ; for as i have shown , these things ( which are the matter of which your worship and ordinance doth consist ) had their rise and beginning in the days of darknesse and ignorance , since the apostacy came in , and so in the name and authority of the lord , we do declare against them , even against your temples and whole worship , to the intent to bring you to the true worship , that is in spirit and in truth , and that you might know your bodyes the temples of god , and that he might dwell in you , and walk in you , according as he hath promised in the new covenant . wherefore all people , awake and come out of your idolatry , and idolatrous worships , seperate your selves , touch no more of it , that the lord may receive you , and that you may come into his covenant , which is life and peace for your souls , for in those worships , and temples , and all your practises therein , you have not true peace with the lord , nor the refreshments from his pure presence , but sin and death reigns amongst you , and great ignorance is over your hearts , and idolatry corrupts your minds , and the lord hath been forgotten by you , dayes without number ; god is not well-pleased , neither hath any delight in your worship ; for your worship of him , and fear towards him , is but taught by the precepts of men , and by the traditions of the fathers in the days of popery , and if ever he opens your eyes , you will see it , for it is with the humble and contrite in heart that the lord dwels , him that crembleth at the word of the lord , whose heart is right in his sight , and hath learned his judgements and fear , and such as are changed and renewed , and born of the seed of god , and begotten by his powerful word , such are the true worshippers whom the lord is seeking , and such will he find to worship him . and whereas there is a great cry amongst you , and among many people at this day , about deceivers , and being deceived , and there are many deceivers , you say , and your cry is one to another , take heed you be not deceived by false teachers and false doctrine . this is the cry of parents to children , and of children to parents , and of masters to servants , and of servants to masters , and chiefly , it is the cry of your priests to the people , take heed you be not deceived , &c. now to all this i do say , that there are many deceivers , and many are deceived , this is certainly true , and plainly manifest ; but now to shew what a deceiver is , and what it is to be deceived , and who it is that are deceived . first , that is a deceiver , that person , that spirit , or that thing , that leadeth , or inticeth the minds of people into something , to do , or practise , or speak something which the lord by his spirit doth not lead to . i say , that which leads the creature to take up a joy , or a delight , or a happiness in something of this world which is under the sun , to place confidence or felicity in such a thing ; that which thus leadeth or draweth the mind , whether it be person , or spirit , it is a deceiver , and deceiveth the soul ; and he , or they that doth follow this , and give up themselves into the obedience of it , to do , or speak something that is contrary to god , or which his spirit doth not lead unto , nor guide in , this person is deceived of the presence of the lord , and of the comfort , and joy , and happiness that is in him , and hath pleasure , and joy in something of the creation that is not of him , but besides him , and this person is deceived , and in deceit , who hath placed a joy , and happinesse , and confidence in some creature or thing that is not perfectly the lord ; and another spirit besides the spirit of the lord , hath seated its self in the heart , and taken possession of the mind , and the mind and heart is thereby captivated by that way , in the works and pleasures of this world ; and this is a deceived estate ; and thus much of a deceiver , and a deceiving in the ground , in that declared . but now you that are crying one to another , be not deceived , be not deceived ; and you not such as are deceived already , and that lyes wallowing in the deceit , and vanity , and evil of this world ? for while sin hath power over you , and that spirit that is not of god doth lead you , you are deceived ; and thus it is with you , being unchanged and unrenewed in mind and heart ; are not you deceived ? for you want the feeling of the presence , and of the comfort of the lord god , and you are deceived of that , for that you have not , and another thing possesseth your mind , the joy and pleasure of this world , and in your exercise spiritual and temporal , the spirit that is of this world doth lead you , and guide you , the spirit of unrighteousnesse that leadeth contrary to him ; and can you be otherwayes deceived , or more deceived ? for you are without god a ready , and wants his peace , and the inheritance of life eternal that is in him , you want the possession thereof , and you are following dead idols and vanities which steals away your mind , whereby it is manifest that you are deceived ; for all people upon the earth that are not led by the spirit into all truth , that hath not received the promise of the father , they are all deceived , and cannot be more deceived then they are ; and so is the cry in general among people , if any one forsake and deny their way of worship and religion , and profession , be it of what manner and nature , soever , presently there is a cry , ( chiefly by the priests ) take heed you be not deceived , and you are in heresie and error , and such like : thus have the papists cryed against them that have dissented from them , and the prelates cryed the same , and now you cry the same to them that dissent from you ; but your zeal is not so much against heresie and error , simply so , as it is to have your own sect and worship upheld , and against them that doth dissent from you ; and it hath been antichrists way since the apostacy , since the days of the apostles , to cry heresie , and error , and you are deceived , to all that did decline and dissent from him ; for you may read in the scriptures , power was given to the beast to compell all to worship him , and all that would not , he made war against , and had power to kill them . and thus have the papists done , warred against them that denyed their church ; and thus did the prelates , and thus do you , your cry is , heresie , and error , and they are deceived who do forsake your church , and your ministry ; and this cry have you learned of your fore-fathers , the romish church . but cease all sorts of people to cry that others are deceived , and that others are in error , and see how your selves are led with the spirit of unrighteousness , and blindness , and ignorance , and a cloud of error is over you , and between you and the son of god , who is appearing now in majesty and renown , to exalt his name over all the earth ; and antichrists way you have been in , who would have all to bow under his power , unto his worship ; but now the eyes of people are opened , and life , and righteousness , and truth it self is sprung forth over all the clouds of darkness and error . your worship is to the unknown god , and him you ignorantly worship after the traditions of men , and not after the commandments of god , for the tradition of the fathers is seated in you above the witness , and blinds the eye , and quencheth the spirit ; your old customs , traditions and forms , and your exercise therein , feeds that part which is carnal , and answers that in others , and your worship which is out of the spirit of god , answers not the spirit of god in others , to convert any truly to the living god ; and the lord will destroy your worship , and confound it , and no more is the lord worshipped in steeplehouses , they are lest desolate of gods presence , and no more in dayes , and times , and things , but they that worship must be in the spirit changed by it , and led by it into the truth ; so when the lord doth open your eyes , you will see the worship of god to be another thing then you suppose it ; you cannot be educated naturally in the worship of god , nor learn it by traditions , for it stands onely in the spirit , and is taught by the spirit unto all them that are born of the spirit ; and who comes to be born of that , are the true worshippers of god , in which the father is well pleased . and as for your worship in steeplehouses , god hath no delight in , he savoureth it not , but it is an abomination to him , it is not pleasing to him , because you be out of his spirit , and worships after your own traditions , and not after his spirit ; and this worship hath stood all this long time of antichrist , while the whore and the beast hath ruled over nations , and so one tradition after another hath been brought in , and one false worship hath risen out of another , and what people hath had , it hath been by tradition , and not from the immediate spirit of god and so the true god hath not been worshipped in his spirit ; and now all the world hath been pleading for their traditions , and they be in respect above the commandments of god , among ye that worship in steeplehouses ; you are even mad against them that cryes against the steeplehouses , and pleads the antiquity of your worship , and of your traditions and ordinances , now they are ancient , even as ancient as since the false prophets and antichrist came in , and put on the sheeps clothing , but inwardly are wolves ; these killed the life , and slew the prophets , and they set up inventions of their own ; and your traditions and worships are as ancient as since power was given to the beast over kindreds & peoples ; & the lord god is bringing down your worship , the original of which , came up when antichrist went into the world , as you may read in iohn's epistle , and so you may plead antiquity , yet not as ancient as the true church is , for when the true churches were apostatized , then came up your worship , & your many traditions ; & this hath been while the woman hath been fled into the wilderness , & the manchild caught up to god , which when the woman returns again , your worship and ordinance will be overthrown , & the true worship again established , & liberty ; but first you must know the spirit to teach you , before you can worship in it , & the spirit must purifie your hearts , & make them clean , before you can offer to god an acceptable sacrifice ; for your sacrifices are not acceptable , but they are stained & polluted in the sight of the lord , who now hath beheld what you are a doing , & you are in that which his soul hath no pleasure in , & in the day of your visitation the witness in your consciences shall answer it ; so you are to know god by his spirit , before you can worship him ; the word of the lord must be felt in your hearts as a fire , & as a hammer , & you must be created a-new , & have another spirit , before ye can worship god . so all you false worshippers , you are called that you may return , & may come into the true worship , which is in the commandment of god , and not the traditions of men , and in that law written in the heart , is god known , who worketh mans salvation , and which leadeth in the true and perfect worship , of the true and living god , where the lord is all in all . therefore return , why will you dye and perish in your iniquities ? a lamentation is taken up for you , o! why will you perish through neglecting your own salvation ? come into the spirit , and into the truth , that you may worship god , and be accepted of him , who is now appeared in power and great glory , to gather his people to himself . this is to go abroad among all people who are worshipping in temples made with hands , & who are under this ministry , & are of this church aforementioned , that they may come to consider , and see the error of their way , of their worship , and of their ministry , and this is a visitation from the lord unto them all , by a friend unto all your souls . the end . the case of the people called quakers (once more) stated, and published to the world with the accusations charged upon them, and their answers. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 1660 approx. 38 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 9 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. text creation partnership, ann arbor, mi ; 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ascii text with mnemonic sdata character entities); displayable xml (tcp schema; characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or text strings within braces); or lossless xml (tei p5, characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or tei g elements). keying and markup guidelines are available at the text creation partnership web site . eng society of friends -controversial literature. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-03 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-04 emma (leeson) huber sampled and proofread 2004-04 emma (leeson) huber text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-07 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion the case of the people called quakers ( once more ) stated , and published to the world : with the accusations charged upon them ; and their answers london , printed for robert wilson . the case of the people ( called quakers once more ) stated , and published to the world , &c. we are an afflicted and suffering people in these kingdoms at this day . mocked , reproached , haled before magistrates , violently abused , and imprisoned , and much hard dealing exercised upon us : this is apparently visible to all people , and needs no further proof . but , whether these afflictions , and sufferings , imprisonments , and hard dealing , be iust , or unjust , according to our deserts , or out of the malice and enmity of our adversaries , this is the question to be enquired into ; unjust , and unrighteous , and out of malice and enmity , and not of due desert ( say we ) are these sufferings imposed on us : but iustly , and according to desert , and the laws of the land ( say our adversaries . ) who shall be iudge in the case between us ? even , the law of god , the gospel of christ , the scriptures of truth , the example of primitive christians , our neighbours , and the witness in every mans conscience . and to the iudgement of all these we appeal , and shall abide their sentence . first , we are accused of an hainous crime , and as if we deserved the greatest punishments , because we are discenting , and differing from the church of england , and cannot conform to all her worships , and ceremonies , therefore are we said to be hereticks ; because holding , and practising differing things from her , &c. plea. the scriptures of truth ( which are according to both law and gospel ) do say , and judge , that they who sometimes did discent , and differ from some of the church of christ , in some principles , and practices , and could not practice in all things , what some others did , as in rom. 14. where it is signified , that some of the church of christ believed they might eat all things ; some others of the church did eat hearbs , some esteemed one day above another , others esteemed every day alike ; this kind of discenting , and diference , about meats , and days , and ceremonies , were amongst the members of the true church ; but what is the iudgement of scripture in this case of difference amongst them ? not that the discenters one from another should be punished , and imprisoned , and banished , but ver . 5. let every man be perswaded in his own mind . and one was not so much as to judge another in this case of difference , and discenting ; much less to imprison one another for that cause . and in phil. 3. 15. it is there signified , that if any persons were discenting , and different in iudgement , or in the growth in grace , from the rest of the church , every one was to walk in that measure of truth , as he had attained to ; and if any were otherwise-minded , ( viz. different in the growth in the grace of god ) then god should reveal the same unto them ; and notwithstanding their difference in iudgement , whether in cases substantial , or ceremonial , yet , they were still to be in love and unity , and walk in their measures , to which they had attained , and they were not to be imprisoned and persecuted , as we are at this day : hence , observe , that the iudgement of scriptures , which the law of god , and gospel of christ are according to , is clear for us , and against them that hate us , that imprison us , and afflict us , for discenting and differing in some doctrines , and practices , from the church of england . but secondly , if we were indeed hereticks , and erroneous people ; suppose so , which never yet was truly proved , of us , nor can be ; what iudgement do the scriptures ( which are according to the law of god , and gospel of christ ) give in that case ? not that we should be thus imprisoned , and afflicted , with corporal punishments ; but according to titus , tit. 3. 10 , 11. we should first be admonished in love , and exhorted once and again ; and then , if we gain-say , and will not hear reproof , to be rejected , cast out , and denyed of the assembly of saints ; but not imprisoned , and banished : and according to 1 cor. 5. where it is signified , that some , in the denomination of the church , did offend against christ and the church , and were hereticks , and discenters , because of their evil deeds , from the true church ; yet , these were not to be imprisoned , and persecuted in their persons ; but delivered unto satan for the destruction of the flesh , that the spirit might be saved in the day of the lord ; they were to be spiritually dealt withal ; and they were to be cast out into the wicked world , among the ungodly , to have their portion from god , with the wicked , to be delivered to sathan for the destruction of the flesh , that it might be destroyed , and the spirit saved in the day of the lord. so , if we were indeed such , as these were , discenters , and in difference from the true church , because of some wickedness , yet the iudgement of scriptures is against our enemies in this case , who persecute , and imprison us ; for thus it ought not to be done unto us , if the church of england were the very true church of christ , and we in difference from her , by false principles , or evil conversation , or ▪ any thing else . thus you see the iudgement of the scriptures , and of the law of god , and gospel of christ , is against our persecutors . thirdly , but suppose we doubt , that the church of england , and its ordinances , discipline , its worships and ceremonies , be not according to the scriptures of truth , but are rather in the form of godliness , without the power : suppose we , in conscience believe this , and think we can prove it , which is the very truth of the case , and therefore do deny conformity to her , lest we should sinne against god , and wrong our own consciences , at least , as we believe . what iudgement doth the law of god , and gospel of christ , give , in this case ? we are exhorted , and commanded in scriptures , 2 tim. 3. from covetous men , and proud men , lovers of themselves , false accusers , despisers of them that are good , high-minded men , and lovers of pleasures , they that have the form of godliness , but not the power , from all such we are to turn away . and therefore we believe we are iustified by the scriptures , in turning away for these divers years past , ( and till we be otherwise perswaded by sound doctrine ) from the ministry and churches that are in england , or lately have been , ( and found reason hath not been yet shewed us , to the contrary , by you ) because they are such , as the scriptures exhorts us to turn away from ; and because we have judged , that they have had the form of godliness , but not the power ; so we are not to be imprisoned , and persecuted , though we differ , and disent , and turn away from all them that are coveteous , proud , boasters , lovers of themselves , despisers of them that are good , high-minded men , and such as have a form of godliness , but not the power . but we are judged just , and our case not condemned by the law of god , and gospel of christ , and by the holy scriptures , but rather such as inflict sufferings upon us : and for any of our principles and doctrines that we hold , we deserve no punishment nor persecution , because hereof ; for we testify before god , angels and men , that we hold and maintain , no principles of religion , nor practice of worship , nor doctrines of gospel , but what are according to scriptures of truth . and we are ready to be tryed , and proved in that case , and to bring the matter to issue , in faire proceedings with any man , that shall object the contrary ; and thus the judgment of scriptures are for us , as we suppose ( at least ) , and if we are in errour , either by denying any thing on the one hand , or affirming any thing on the other , we have not been hitherto , well proceeded against , in order to our conviction . secondly , we are accused as for a great crime , and imprisoned , because we meet together , in the name and power of iesus christ , to wait upon him , and to worship him in spirit and truth ; in prayer to god , and exhortations one to another , to righteousness and holiness : but , what iudgment doth the law and gospel , and holy scriptures give , and our neighbours also , between us in this case ? le ts come all to their barr , and receive just sentence . plea. first , the iudgment of god's law , christ's gospel and holy scriptures , are not against our meeting together , but on the contrary , do command us , and exhort us , with promises of blessings , to meet together in the worship of god , and to wait upon him ; and it was the practice of the primitive christians , to assemble themselves together , in that form and manner as we do ●t this day , ( to wit ) in a private manner , and separate from the multitude , and all the iews synagogues , as in acts 1. 17. the saints and disciples , both men and women , to the number of one hundred and twenty , ( which were far more than five ) went into an upper chamber , being a private place , and no publique synagogue , and there waited upon the lord in prayer and supplication , according as we do at this day : thus the scriptures justify the way and manner of our meetings , and condemns them not . again , in acts 20. 8. the saints and disciples were gathered together in an upper chamber , and paul preached unto them untill mid-night . here was a private meeting , far above the number of five , and out of any publick synagogues ; and christ iesus said , where two or three are met together in my name , there i am , in the midst of them . and he and his disciples , often met together in private places , apart from the jews publick worships , sometimes in a ship , and sometimes in desarts , and on the mountains , and in particular houses , and preached , and prayed ; this the scriptures prove . and also , in heb. 10. 25. we are expresly commanded , not to neglect the assembling of our selves together , but to exhort one another , and so much the more as the day approahed . by all which scriptures , with many more that might be quoted , it is evident to all the world , that our meeting together for the worship of god , in that form and manner as practised by us , is according to the law of god , the gospel of christ iesus , and the holy scriptures : and all these , give iust iudgment for us , and iustify us , and therefore consequently condemn such as do violence to us , for this practise of meeting together , for the worship of god. and thus , though we are accused and imprisoned as evil d●●rs ; yet , such our practise of meeting is manifestly according to the law of god , gospel of christ , scriptures , example of saints , and president of primitive christians ; all which give iudgment for us . secondly , what judgment do our neighbours give in this case ? they say , concerning our meetings , that they have known us to meet together in such manner , for diverse years , in their towns and villages , and never knew , nor understood of any ●●●m or danger herein , nor ever were any way prejudiced , either in their persons or estates , by our meetings . the very witness of god in all our neighbours , doth testify , and give iudgment , that our meetings have alwayes been peaceable and quiet , and that we came together in peace and good order , and parted in the same , and no person hath been harmed by such our meetings ; enquire of the neighbourhood , and they will tell you , they believe in their consciences , our meetings are for good , and have good effects , and are not evil , nor brings forth any evil to any . and as for the manner of our meeting and sitting together , 't is orderly and decently , and of good report among men ; and for any doctrine that ever was there held , or heard by any , none can truly accuse it , to be either error , or heresy , or sedition ; but on the contrary , they know it witnesseth against all sin and iniquity , and tends to the turning of people from ungodliness and unrighteousness , to truth and holiness : and many can tell , this is effected , by our doctrine preached in our meetings ; and our neighbours can witnesse , that we part again in peace , and good order , and in convenient time ; and they can shew you , they are not terrified , nor the peace of the land disturbed ( on our part ) by our meetings , which are in god's fear , and to the glory of his name , which all sober men know , are according to the law of god , and gospel , and primitive christians example . and thus our neighbours give iudgment for us , and in their consciences , do not iustify them that imprison us ; for this matter of meeting together , which gods law , gospel , scriptures , and our neighbours , do thus clearly justify . thirdly . we are accused , as guilty of a heinous crime , and imprisoned , because we refuse to swear at all , or take any oath in any case . plea. first , the judgment of the law of the new-testament of god , and gospel of christ , and scriptures in this cases is clear on our behalf . as in the express command of christ , in his law and scriptures recorded , mat. 5. where he saith , swear not at all , by heaven , nor earth , nor by ierusalem , nor by the head ; but , let your yea , be yea , and your nay , nay ; for whatsoever is more comes of evil. and again , iam. 5. the apostle commandeth the saints in these words , above all 〈…〉 , swear not , by heaven , nor earth , nor any 〈…〉 . and many holy martyrs since the apostles dayes , 〈…〉 all swearing . thus you see , the iudgment of christ 〈◊〉 and of the gospel , and of the apostle , and of scriptures , 〈…〉 far from condemning of us to imprisonment & banishment , 〈◊〉 our refusing to swear , that we are commanded and ex●●●●d by them , not to swear at all ; and therefore consequently , justify us in our refusing to swear ; and thus , give not iudgment for such , as do imprison and persecute us for not swearing . come to the iudgment of christ , his gospel , and holy scriptures ; let you and us appear together before their judgment seat , whether they give judgment against us , that deny all swearing , or against you , that imprison us for that cause : and let the lord god , angels and just men , give their iudgment in this case ; we a poor afflicted people , do appeal to you , for just sentence of judgment , between us and our opponents . secondly , let our neighbours give their iudgment , though we do refuse to take any oath , because of the commands of christ and his gospel , as aforesaid ; yet , what harm hath this ever yet been to any of our neighbours , let them speak ; or what detriment ought this to be to any of them , they will tell you : though we cannot formally take an oath , yet we are ready at all times to do the truth , and to speak it on all good occasions , as ●uch as if we did swear upon a book ; and they can trust us upon our words , as much , if not more , than they can do any that swear upon their oaths ; and therefore they shall give judgment , that according to their best knowledge , we ought not to be imprisoned and banished ; though we cannot swear formally upon a book ▪ being the truth is not suppressed , nor yet the administration of justice ought to be obstructed for our refusing to swear . thus the neighbourhood bears witness for us , and against such as deal hardly by us , and persecute us because hereof . fourthly , we are accused as heinous offenders , and imprisoned because 't is supposed , we do not submit to obey the known laws of the land , but break them , and will not conform to the church , pay tithes , take oaths , leave meeting together 〈◊〉 though we know the laws of the land command these things . plea , first , as to the submitting to all known laws of the land ; this is known to god and our neighbours , that our principle and practise is , and ever hath been , to submit to every government , and to all lawes of men , either by 〈◊〉 or by suffering ; as at this day , we resist not the greatest of afflictions and tribulations that can be imposed on us ; and this is well known to our neighbours and all people , that we are submissive to all lawes of men , by patient suffering without resistance , even when any law requires any thing of us , which we cannot perform for conscience sake , that law we fulfil by patient suffering , resisting no man , nor rendring evil for evil to any . and the iudgment of the scriptures , which are according to both law and gospel , and the presidents of saints justify us in this case , in chusing patiently to suffer the greatest penalties of the law , rather than to obey by doing any such law , as requires things contrary to our pure consciences ; as in the example of the three children , dan. 3. who were commanded to fall down and worship the golden image , at what time soever they heard the sound of the musick , upon the penalty of being cast into the midst of the burning firy furnace ; which commandment they could not obey , nor could truth fall down to worship the image . but rather choosed to suffer the penalty of being cast into the midst of the burning firy furnace , which accordingly was done unto them ; again , in the case of daniel , chap. 6. who was commanded to make no petition to any god or man for thirty dayes , save to king darius , upon the penalty and affliction of being cast into the lyons den ; but daniel did rather chuse to suffer the penalty , to be cast into the den of lyons , than to obey the commandment , and was cast into the lyons den ▪ by these examples of holy men , with many more that might be given , out of the scriptures t is evident , that righteous 〈◊〉 will rather choose to suffer , than to obey any law of men contrary to their consciences . so , the law of god , and example of saint and holy scriptures , give iudgment for us in this case , of rather choosing to suffer , than to obey lawes contrary to our consciences ; and consequently must needs condemn such that persecute and imprison us , because they require obedience of us , in things against our consciences . secondly , though we do disobey laws , and cannot actively obey every law of man , when it requireth and commandeth things contrary to a good conscience ; yet herein also we are iustified , by the law of god , example of saints and holy scriptures , and they give iudgment for us , and consequently against our enemies in this case ; and in particular in the two examples before-mentioned in daniel , the three children were expresly commanded to fall down and worship the golden image ; and daniel was also required by the kings decree , not to pray to any god or man , save to king darius ; yet all these holy men of god , did absolutely disobey the law and decree , so requiring of them , and did contrary to the commandment : for the three children did not bow , nor daniel cease to pray to his god , but prayed as at other times , and yet were iustified of god in so doing . also , the apostles of our lord jesus christ , act. 4. 18. were commanded to preach no more in the name of iesus , but the apostles did disobey their commandment , and went on and preached in the spirit and power of christ , contrary to the commandment of the rulers , and appealed to them , whether it were not better to obey god than man ? many examples we might collect out of the scriptures , that the servants of god did disobey the commands of kings and rulers , and could not obey ( by doing ) any command contrary to god , but rather choosed to suffer afflictions , and death it self , than to obey such lawes and decrees , as required any thing contrary to a pure conscience ; and this is our case at this day , we cannot obey ( by doing ) any thing against our consciences , but must break the lawes of men , and disobey their commandements , rather than break the law of god , and sin against our own consciences , whatsoever we suffer because hereof ; and yet the examples of saints , and scriptures , iustify us in this behalf . and let all our enemies cease to cry out rebellion and disobedience to lawes and government ; for we are not such as do willfully and obstinately disobey any lawes of men , but for conscience sake , and that we may not sin against god , nor offend his witness in us ; therefore we cannot obey laws contrary to our consciences whatsoever we suffer ; which ●●●sist not , nor rebel against any in this case : so that our ●●●●ciples and practises , are to obey every law and gover●●●● ▪ either by doing or suffering . and though we disobey such lawes as are not according to the law of god , and rather do chuse to suffer ; yet , herein we are justified by the law of god , and the holy scriptures . thirdly , and as for our conversations among men , in respect of our daily walking and converse with them in our dealing , in respect of honesty , and faithfulness , and truth , and justness in works and words ; our neighbours shall give witness for us : we will not justify our selves , t is god that justifies us , and the law of god , gospel of christ , scriptures , examples of holy men , our neighbours , and the witness of god in all mens consciences , shall bear witness to us . and all these do give judgment for us in these cases , to whom we do appeal for judgment . and , o lord god everlasting , do thou iudge our cause , do thou make it manifest in thy due season to all the world , that we are thy people , that we love thee above all , that we fear thy name more than all , that we love righteousness and hate iniquity ; and that we now suffer for thy holy name , and truth , and for thy honour and iustice , and for thy truth and holiness . o lord , thou knowest we are resolved to perish , rather than to loose one grain hereof . amen , amen . our accusations and answers , truly compared , and weighed in the ballance of justice , and truth in every mans conscience , let all the world judg of the case , do we deserve to be ruined , destroyed , imprisoned , and banished , and that to be devoured of wild beasts , as our enemy threatens us he will do ? is it so , are we hereticks ? are we seditious ? are we drunkards ? are we double dealers ? are we such as the law of god condemns ? what evil have we done in the land ? do we hurt any body ? are we not innocent before the lord and men ? we appeal to the just witness of god in all ; let it be answered , & though no man will hear and consider our cause this day , yet the lord will plead our cause in his time and season , and make the world to know we are his people ; in the mean time , we are willing to suffer the reproaches of ungodly men , till the lord work deliverance in the earth . but now it may be objected by the magistrates and rulers , that we have now a law against you , and you must suffer ; for we cannot but put the law in execution , according to our oaths and offices ; and it is not we that persecute you , but it is the law of the land by which you now suffer , and we cannot be blamed for your suffering , we onely execute the law. and after this manner is the reasoning of some at this day , &c. answ. to all which i do answer : it is true , there is a law now enacted against us , which is pretendedly made the ground of our suffering ; but whether that law be in it self iust , or unjust , i shall not now demonstrate , but shall leave it to the iudgement of all christian men that know us , our principles , doctrines , wayes , and conversations , and let them judge whether we deserve the penalties and punishments therein described , for any principle , or practice held and maintained by us . and though there be a law against us , yet the magistrates that are executors thereof , may execute the same with moderation , or with uiolence ; with discretion , or too much rigour ; and it will be well for them to use moderation and discretion in this case : hereby may they save themselves from that weight of anger , and indignation of the lord god , that will come upon all uiolent doers , who seek to destroy the innocent , and rejoyce in the occasion administred . and though this law be enacted against our meetings ; not ours , i may say , but such meetings as are dangerous to the publick peace , and to the terrour of the people : but our meetings are not such , and therefore this law may not iustly extend in its execution to the breaking of our meetings , nor to banish us because of our meeting together , which is for the worship of god , and are peaceable , and of good report among all good men ; and are not for disturbance of the peace , nor terrour of the people , and therefore justly free from this law as aforesaid . and though this law is pretended against us for to banish us , and to ridd the land of us , as some vainly suppose . yet must it needs be executed to the height of it , without limitation , or restriction ? must this law be executed to its height , more than some other laws , that are as truly enacted , and as fully in force as this act can be : yet some such lawes there are , which better deserves execution than this , yet they lie dormant , as is visibly apparent at this day , as in 4 iac. cap. 5. in these words : be it enacted , &c. that all , and every person or persons , which after forty dayes next following the end of this present session of parliament , shall be drunk , and of the same offence of drunkeness , shall be lawfully convicted ; shall for every such offence , forfeit , and loose five shillings , &c. to be paid to the hands of the church-wardens of that parish where the offence shall be committed , who shall be accountable therefore to the use of the poor of the same parish . and if the said person , or persons so convicted , shall refuse , or neglect to pay the said forfeiture , then the same shall be levied of the goods of every such person , or persons , by warrant of precept from the court , iudge , or iustices , before whom the same conviction shall be : and if the offender be not able to pay the sum of five shillings , then he shall be committed to the stocks for the space of six hours . i pray you read the statute at large , t is worth a sober mans pains to read over , and then judge whether that law be duly executed at this day ; and also , whether it deserves not more strict execution than the present act against us . also the 1 iac. cap. 7. in these words : that all persons calling themselves schollars , going about begging ; all idle persons going about in any country , either begging , or using any subtle craft , or unlawful games , or playes ; or feigning themselves to have knowledge in physiognomy , or pretending that they can tell fortunes , or such other like phantastical imaginations ; all fencers , bear-wards , common-players of interludes , & minstrels , wandring abroad , shall be taken , adjudged , and deemed as rogues , vagabonds , and sturdy beggars , and shall suffer such pains and punishments as is expressed , 39 eliz. cap. 4. ( viz. ) that every such person shall be stripped naked from the middle upwards , and shall be openly whipped , until his , or her body be bloody , &c. and shall be forth-with sent from parish to parish , &c. and read the statute at large , and then consider how duly it is executed now , and whether it deserves not execution , as much as the late act against us , though in some places , the one is more executed than the other ; where many of our friends , being honest sober persons , and of good conversation , and yet are haled out of their meetings , where they are met only to worship god , and for no other end , and sent to prison , and persecuted to the very height of the said act ; when as idle persons , following unlawful games , and playes , and bearwards , common players of interludes , and minstrells of diverse kinds , do wander up and down city and country , and having their play-houses publick , where their wickedness is acted ; such persons , and such things , though appearing publickly , yet are permitted , and little or no notice taken of them by some of the magistrates , so as to punish them for breach of the lawes , for the preventing of these evils ; but such wickedness is too much suffered , though there be diverse acts of parliaments against such persons and such actions , as well as there is one against our meetings , yet , the act against us , is more put in execution in some places for the breaking of our meetings , which are for the worship of god , than the good lawes for suppressing wickedness , though there is better law for the one , than for the other ; diverse other lawes and statutes made for good ends , for the suppressing of wickedness in the land there are , which are but ▪ easily executed at this day ; but here is one act against peaceable meeting together for the worship of god , which is violently prosecuted and executed upon innocent men : and let all just men judge of these things , though there be a law enacted against our meetings , so there is against drunkards and drunkenness , and unseasonable tipling in taverns and ale-houses , and against minstrells , fidlers , pipers and players , common-players and stage-players , that go up and down the countries , and have their play-houses in publick cities , which statutes ought to be rather executed , though they are not : but these things we shall leave to all sober people to judg of . and seeing that the law against us is more put in execution , than these other lawes , it doth appear that there is more envy against us , and our peaceable religious meetings , than there is against prophaneness and wickedness , drunkenness , and stage-playing , and such like ; and such magistrates , wheresoever they are , are not excusable in the sight of god ; though there is a law against us , while they prosecute it against us , and not these other good lawes against proph●● ungodly persons and practises ; and therefore seeing we d● fer , we must say , it is not only because there is a law 〈◊〉 us , but it is also , or rather because , there is enmity , and 〈◊〉 and wickedness in the hearts of men against us , which 〈◊〉 main cause of our sufferings at this day ; and let the 〈…〉 strates compare this law made against us , with that sa● in doctor and student , cap. 2. speaking concerning the written in the heart , teaching every man what is to be 〈◊〉 and what is to be fled : and ( saith he ) because it is 〈◊〉 in the heart , therefore it may not be put away , nor is it changeable by any diversity of place , or time ; and therefore 〈◊〉 this law , prescription , statute , nor custom may not prevail ▪ if any be brought in against it , they be not prescriptions , tutes , nor customes , but things void , and against iustice , a●● other lawes ; as well the lawes of god , as the acts of men , 〈◊〉 to be grounded upon the law written in the heart . and in 〈◊〉 of the same it said ; every mans law must be consonant wit● law of god , and therefore the lawes of princes , the comm●●●ments of prelates , the statutes of commonalties , nor yet the dinances of the church are not righteous , nor obligatory , 〈◊〉 it is consonant to the law of god. and we are sure the 〈◊〉 god and holy scriptures do justifie our meeting together , as 〈◊〉 is expessed . also in the statute 28 hen. 8. chap 7. it is in these words , that no man , of what estate , degree , or c●●●●tion soever he be , hath power to dispence with gods laws , as 〈◊〉 clergy of this realm , and the most part of all the un●●●●sities of christendom . and we also affirm , and think 〈◊〉 things truly compared one with another , we leave the the judgement of the law of god , gospel of christ ▪ scriptures , and our neighbours ; and let truth determ●●● so be it . by e. 〈◊〉 the end. some false principles and errors discovered and refuted in a short answer to a catechism book, which is said to contain the principles of religion, put forth by a namelesse authour, but is supposed to be the work of one samuel eaton ... but upon true examination he is found to be teaching the traditions of men for the commandments of christ ... / by e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30541 of text r36303 in the english short title catalog (wing b6023a). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 35 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 8 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30541 wing b6023a estc r36303 15642987 ocm 15642987 104276 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30541) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 104276) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 1182:4) some false principles and errors discovered and refuted in a short answer to a catechism book, which is said to contain the principles of religion, put forth by a namelesse authour, but is supposed to be the work of one samuel eaton ... but upon true examination he is found to be teaching the traditions of men for the commandments of christ ... / by e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 15 p. printed for thomas simmons ..., london : 1659. reproduction of original in the huntington library. eng eaton, samuel, 1596?-1665. congregationalism -controversial literature. society of friends -doctrines. a30541 r36303 (wing b6023a). civilwar no some false principles and errors discovered and refuted: in a short answer to a catechism book, which is said to contain, the principles of burrough, edward 1659 7145 11 0 0 0 0 0 15 c the rate of 15 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the c category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-01 aptara keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-02 judith siefring sampled and proofread 2004-02 judith siefring text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion some false principles and errors discovered and refuted : in a short answer to a catechism book , which is said to contain , the principles of religion , put forth by a namelesse authour ; but is supposed to be the work of one samuel eaton , a professed minister of the gospel , among the sect of the independants , in cheshire . but upon true examination he is found to be teaching the traditions of men for the commandements of christ ; and his principles are proved to be not according , but contrary to the spirit of god and the scriptures . by e. b. london , printed for thomas simmons , at the bull and mouth near aldersgate , 1659. to the reader . the reason and cause of this being sent abroad is for the better information of all , but more particularly for the good of that assembly , to whom samuel eaton is minister and pastor , that they may know the truth from errour , and the way of righteousnesse from all false wayes , and may turn from idol-shepherds that destroyes the vineyard , and treads it down , and may come to christ , and receive him who is the chief shepherd , to feed his flock with the bread of eternal life . and the reason why these false principles are charged upon samuel eaton is this , it being doubtful to some who was the authour of that catechism , wherein these principles and doctrines was held forth : john gredley and anne sheeld by name was with the said samuel eaton , and asked him if he owned that book ( the catechism ) and he said he would maintain all in it ; that was his answer . the wayes of the lord are equall and just , but the wayes of the sons of adam are altogether corrupted , and different and contrary to the wayes of salvation ; and the wisedome that is of this world is foolishness with god , and its end is destruction to it self , and to all that walk therein ; and what is man , that he shall prescribe a way to his maker ? and who is it , that will be more wise then god , to set him a way how he must teach his people ? therefore in vaine have men laboured , and have reaped to themselves nothing but wind and confusion ; and in vaine have they sowen , for others to reap after them , whose fruit hath been emptiness , and not filled the hand of the gatherer ; and in particular this book with which i am now dealing , is the fruit of an empty tree , which cannot satisfie the hungry soul , nor comfort the weary seeker ; for the satisfaction and comfort of the seeking hungry soul dependeth only upon the lord , and upon the bread of life that commeth down from god ; and the soul that eats thereof is satisfied and comforted for ever , and hungers no more , nor thirsts any longer ; but the fountaine is in him , and the well springs up unto eternall life , and he goes no more forth : and if so be that all herein were true and sound doctrine , and were learned , so as to express it over againe in words this might be , and yet the soul still remaining in anguish , and under sin and death , though increased in the knowledg that is from below , and yet in a farther ignorance of god ; for the wisdom of this world knows not god , neither can it teach , nor receive the knowledg of the things that pertaines unto life eternall , but to the simple and to fools doth the lord teach and reveal the knowledge of his kingdom , and it is not received from books , nor the teachings and traditions of men , but by the manifestation of the eternall spirit which doth lead into all truth , and reveal the mysteries of salvation . the first thing that i take notice of is this , thou saist , god is a spirit , and he is one in ●eing , and is to be distinguished into three persons , and the father , son , and holy ghost are personall relations ; and if one be a person such are the other , &c. ans. the father , son , and spirit is one , this we believe and know , according to the scriptures ; but as for thy word person , that is carnall and too low a word to denominate god by , who is infinite ; for god and the spirit hath no person , nor cannot truely be distinguished into persons ; for a person hath relation to place , time , and change , and is not in all places at all times at once , and the scriptures knowes no such distinction , for god is is a spirit , and hath no relation to one time , place or alteration more then another , but filleth heaven and earth , and his presence is in all , and over all , who is blessed for ever , and is infinite , and without person , or confined being , and the scripture no where in true translation , doth denominate god , christ and the spirit by persons , and personall beings , nor doth distinguish them into three persons ; for persons are related to carnall , as i have said , and persons is to low , too denominate god and christ and the spirit by : so thy principles are unsound , and not agreeing to the spirit of god , and the scriptures , and therefore not to be beleeved nor received . whereas thou saist , that the one standing rule , according to which god is to be sought , worshipped and served , is the holy scriptures , in which god hath revealed himself in all things which he would have believed and done , &c. ans. it is the spirit of god that gave forth the scriptures , which spirit was and is within the saints that leadeth into all truth , and teacheth to know all things , and that spirit of god only is the standing rule to walk in , and to walk by ; it was the rule to abel , enoch , abraham , and the rest of the holy fathers that lived before any scripture was written , and it was the rule to the prophets , to christ and to the holy apostles , they all followed the spirit and walked in it , and spake and wrought and acted as the spirit of god within them moved them , and led them , it was not the scriptures , but the sprit that gave forth the scriptures that was the standing , unchangable , unerring rule of worshiping serving and obeying the lord god , and that same spirit is the standing rule to us also ; for the apostle commands to walk in the spirit , and that which we are to walk in is our rule , and as many as are the sonns of god are led by the spirit of god , and then the spirit is their rule , and that guides the feet in the way of peace , and in the spirit is god worshipped , for they that worship him must worship him in the spirit and in the truth , & such he seeks to worship him , for it is in the hearts of his people , and within them that god reveales himself by his spirit , for it is the spirit that revealeth the things of god , and none knows the things of god , saving by the spirit of god , and that reveals god , and teacheth to worship god and to serve him , and the scriptures they declare of the rule , and of the revelation of god , and are a declaration of all things which is to be believed and practised by the children of the lord ; so that the scriptures are not the standing rule , neither doth it teach to worship and serve god , but the spirit that gave forth the scriptures , that is the standing rule in and through all generations , and the spirit doth reveal the knowledge of god , and how he is to be worshipped and served . and thou saist , the scriptures are the word of god , given by imediate inspiration of god , and that they are given to all men to be read , and the scriptures are sufficient to make the man of god perfect and throughly furnished , and are able to make wise unto salvation ; and the scriptures and plain and easy to be understood by the simplest , and there is milke in them for babes , and strong meat for persons grown up . ans. christ is the word of god , and his name is called the word of god , and the word of god was in the beginning and shall endure for ever ; and this word is not the scriptures , and the scriptures are not the word , but the scriptures are words of god , given forth from the word which was in their hearts that spake forth the scriptures , which were wro● as the holy men of god were moved by the holy ghost , and given by the inspiration of the spirit of god , and the scriptures are a declaration , and a treatise of the word that was in the beginning , and shall endure for ever ; but the scriptures are not the word , and some of them were given to one sort of men , and some of them to another , and some of them to all ; but as for the threatnings and judgments pronounced , and the reproof of the wicked , that part was not given to the saints nor spoken to them , and so not given to all , and the promises to the children of the lord , and the epistles to the saints , and them that were sanctified , that part was not given & spoken to the world and to the wicked who are unconverted , and so not spoken to all , though all may read them , yet none can understand them but by the same spirit as gave them forth , and who hath not the same spirit to guide them , they cannot understand the scriptures , for it was given forth by the eternall spirit , and the carnall wisdom that is from below , and sensual , cannot understand nor receive the things of the kingdom of god , which is declared of in the scriptures , and so the scriptures are not easy to be understood , but are sealed from the world , neither are the scriptures without faith ( which thou hast left out ) sufficient to make the man of god perfect , but the scriptures through faith , is able to make the man of god perfect , and throughly furnished , this we know and beleeve , and doth set the scriptures in its right place , and give it its right honour and respect ; and as for thee and thy generation who are erred from the spirit of truth , you know not the scriptures nor the power of god , for christ is the bread of life , and the water of life , in him is the milk for babes , and meat for strong men , and not in the scriptures who testifie of christ the life , and in them the pharisees thought to have eternall life , but would not come to christ the end of the scriptures that they might have life , and this is the self same state with yours of this age , who thinks to have the perfecting of salvation and the milk for babes , and the meat for strong men in the scriptures , but will not receive christ who is the perfect salvation and the bread and water of life for all the children of the lord who are born of the spirit ; and so thy doctrines , and thy principles of thy religion , are not sound nor agreeing with the scriptures but contray , and by a contrary spirit , and therefore we cannot be of thy mind , but doth truly judge thee to be unlearned of the father , and knows not the way of salvation , and so thou cannot truly inform nor direct others . and thou saist , men are under a necessity of multiplying transgression ▪ &c. rom. 3. 12. ephes. 4. 17. 2 pet. 2 4. answ. in this thou hast erred , and spoken contrary to sound doctrine ; for there is no necessity laid upon any to commit any sin , much lesse a necessity of multiplying transgression ; if there be a necessity , who layes it on men , and why is that necessity ? transgression is of the wicked one , and who sins is of the devill , and there is no necessity for that upon any account , because sin destroyes the soul , and is a vexation to the lord god , and a cause of everlasting misery , and for to act that , there is no necessity , which hath these effects , and thou hast perverted the scriptures quoted by thee , to prove thy false assertion which i have set down for the reader to peruse , that all may see thou hast perverted them , for they prove no such doctrine , as that there is a necessity of multiplying transgression , which thou hast affirmed and brought the scriptures to prove it , which is first false doctrine uttered by three , and also a perverting of the scriptures to maintain it , and this is too evils , which thou hast committed in one work , and because thou hast done evill , it shall lie at thy dore , and there i will leave it . and thou saist , to be iu●●●fied is not to be really cleansed from all sin , nor is it to partake of real righteousness and holines , but it is to be accounted and reputed iust and holy , and not to have sin reckoned , &c. ans. there is none justified but who are in christ , and are changed , and renewed and born again , and such are cleansed from sin , for he that is born of god sinneth not , and it is he onely that is justified , and not the old man that is unchanged , and committeth sin , he is not justified ; and who is born of god and are justified , are really cleansed and really doth partake of righteousness and holiness , even of the righteousness and holiness of the son of god , and in that righteousness he is accounted righteous , and in no other , nor by no other way then by receiving christ and his righteousness , and being made partakers of it in their hearts , for the apostle said , if christ be not in you , you are reprobates , and such are not justified , nor accounted just and holy who have not christ within them , and his righteosness , but who hath christ within , the hope of glory , and are accounted just and righteous in the sight of god , the body of sin is put off ; for if christ be in you , the body is dead because of sin , and such are really cleansed , and if he be in you , you are made partakers of reall righteousness and holiness , and this is the truth of the gospell of christ which confounds and condemnes thy false doctrine , for no man is accounted and reputed just and holy , but who are cleansed from sin , & are in christs ; for who doth commit sin are unholy , and so reputed of god , and sin is reckoned to them , and this all will find in the day of the lord , when he comes to judge righteously , and to give every man according to his works , and not according to what he may make a shew of and profess in words , though all you false daubers with untempered morter , heale up the hurt of the daughter of sion deceitfully , and cry peace , peace , by a false applying the promises and words of christ , when god speakes no peace , and even you and your false daubed wall will be whirle-wind of the lord beat down and destroy utterly ; and this i assert contrary to thy false doctrine and principles , that none are justified , but who hath christ in them , and really partakes of holiness and righteousness , and are really cleansed from sin , and are born of the spirit of god , and is heire of the promise of eternall life . and further thou saist iustification admitteth not of any degree ▪ and if a person be iustified from any one sin , he is iustified from all sin , as well from sins to be committed , as those that are already commited , and who is once a iustified person , is not unjustified upon new sin committed , &c. ans. grace and faith , and truth , and christ himself admitteth of degrees , or measures which are one , and there are severall measures of life , of light , of grace and faith , of sanctification , and of justification also ; for according as every man , hath received christ so hath he received sanctification , and justification , and no otherwise , for christ is made wisdome , and sanctification , and salvation , and every one feels his sanctification , and his justification , according to the measure of the gift of christ given to him , so that there are severall measures of justification , and also a man may be justified from one sin , or some sin , and not from all sin ; for according to every mans sanctification , so is the witness of his justification to him , and no more ; and if thou knowest any thing by experience thou knowest this , and no man is justified from the evill which he is to commit , for that faith gives licence to sin , if any committing sin , shall beleeve that that sin is long since forgiven , and he is justified from it , and if he shall beleeve he is justified , though he commit sin , even long before he commits his sin , this will be a cause to run into sin , and is a gap opened by thee , unto all unrighteousnesse ; why , if people can believe they are justified from the sins which they have yet to commit , what should restrain them from running with pleasure into all unrighteousness ? & if new sins alwaies committed , do not make persons unjustified , then may the sinners rejoice in their sins , and take their pleasure in ungodliness ; this doctrine of thine is pleasant to the wicked , and it is the way and principle of liberty in all sin , rather then the principles to lead from sin , and so thou hast shewed whose work thou art doing , by strengthning the wicked in his way , so that he cannot turne from sin , rather then drawing him from sin , and this is the devils work . and thou saist such as are justified , are regenerated and sanctified ; and a little before thou said to be justified is not to be cleansed , nor is it to partake of real righteousnesse ; and persons are justified from sins which they have to commit . and these are contradictions , and proceed out of darknesse , and not from the light ; and thy folly and ignorance may be read by all men ; for who are regenerated and sanctified are cleansed , and partakes of real righteousnesse ; and thou further saist , that sanctification is a real change from sin to the purity of the image of god and i say none are sanctified but they are justified , so none are justified but who are changed into the image of god , this the trut● saith , and wherein thou hast said contrary , thou hast spoken contrary to the truth , and the truth will judge thee . again thou saist sanctification is not perfect in this life , & the new man , the spirit or law of the mind , is that grace or imperfect sanctification , &c. ans. then christ is not perfect in this life , for he is made of god unto us sanctification , 1 cor. 1. 30. but we say christ is perfect , and therefore sanctification is perfect , and the new man is the image of god , and is created in righteousnesse and in true holinesse ; but thou saist the new man is imperfect ; consider of thy principles , when they are compared with the scriptures , and see the error and wickednesse of them , and the spirit and law in the mind is the spirit of god , and the law of god in which the apostles served god , and so doth all the saints ; but thou saist the spirit and law in the mind , is imperfect , and this is error in the highest degree , to say or signifie that the new man the image of god , that is in righteousnesse and true holinesse , and the spirit of god and the law of god is imperfect sanctification , and grace is the salvation , and is gods sufficiencie , and that thou saist is imperfect also ; and thus thy principles of thy religion which thou walkest in thy selfe , and would teach to others , are abominable , corrupted principles of error , and contrary to the spirit of truth , and to the scriptures also ; and no marvel that thy name is concealed , for thy work deserves not a good mans name to it ; much more might be said to lay open further thy folly , but this is sufficient to men of understanding ; and contrary to thee i do assert , that the new man , the image of god , the spirit and law of god in the mind , is perfect grace and perfect sanctification , and thou hast said the contrary , and now whether thy principles of religion , or mine , be the more true , and whether fals , let all sober men judg with the light in their conscience , and thou saist , the old man , the flesh , the body of sin , the body of death , is the sin that remaines in sanctified persons . ans. who are sanctified , are ●reed from the body of sin and death , and hath put it off , and the law of the spirit of life hath freed them from the flesh , and from the old man ; for if the old man , the fl●sh , the body of sin , and death be in the sanctified person● , then there is none sanctified at all , and what are they sanctified , freed and cleansed from , if the old man , the fl●sh , the body of sin and death be yee remaining in them ? thou speakest like an unlearned man , and one that , knowes not the sanctified estate , but art erring in thy mind , and judgment , and in thy words also , for we have put off the old man , and are crucified to the flesh , and made free from the body of sin and death , and this is our sanctification , and who are remaining in these things are not sanctified , but in the degeneration , and hath no part yet in the kingdom of god , nor in christ jesus , but are without him in the world . and thou saist , the sanctification of the first day , hath put an end to the sanctification of the seventh &c. ans. here again thou hast uttered that which thou knowes not , for all daies are alike unto god , and one sanctified as much as an other , and no respect of daies with him , but all are holy , and pure , and good , and when the sanctification of any thing is put to an end , ( as as thou saist the sanctification of the seventh day is ) then the thing is no more good , nor holy , but become evil and unclean , if it be no more sanctified nor holy , and in this principle thou hast erred also ; as for the seventh day it was commanded of god to the jews , to be kept and observed holy to the lord , and all manner of labour to all creatures were forbiden , which thing was a signe and a shadow of a good thing to come , the end of which ordinance was christs the substance of all things , and the end of daies , and that there was any anulling of that command to the jews , and a command to keep and observe the first day of the week in stead of the other , by any outward command , this we read not in all the scriptures , and what ground thou hast more then thy imaginations i know not ; to assert the changing of dayes , and to teach the observation of the first day , as the sabbath instead of the seventh day , seeing thou hast nothing in the scriptures to raise such a principle from , and so would make exception of daies , and respect of times which the apostles did not , after the holy spirit was come ; for daies and times all are a like to god , and who are come to christ the true rest of the immortal soul , are in the end of daies , and out of the respect of times , in the substance which endures for ever , and in the gospel ministrations , there is no command or injunction , by christ or by his apostles given to us for the observing any one day more then another . and thou saist , when it is said , swear not at all , the meaning is not vainly and unnecessarily . ans. christ hath not spoken doubtfully , but plainly , and he hath not left his words to thee to give thy fals meaning upon ; so thou takest too much upon thee , and intrudest into things thou hast not seen , and all swearing which is contrarie to the command of christ , is unnecessarie and vain , though by such false consequences and perverting of scriptures , thou & thy generation hast made the people to err , and led the blind by the way ; for where the scriptures , as they are in themselves , doth not made for your turn , then it means not thus , but otherwise , and this is the consequence , and it must be interpreted say you , and so you pervert the scriptures to your own destruction , and to the undoing of manie others , for you that lead the people cause them to err . and where is thou speakst , of outward seals of the covenant , which is baptism ( saist thou ) which appertaines to grown persons converted , and also to children , &c. acts 2. 39. ans. the seal of the covenant of god is the spirit , even the spirit of promise which sealeth and confirmeth unto god , and not any outward thing ; for the covenant of god is inward and spiritual , and not outward and carnal ; and the seal and testimonie of it , is the spirit of life , and no tradition of man ; and as for baptism in that way and manner administred and practised , as in the church of england , it is wholie an invention of man , and not after any institution and commandement of god , and sprinkling of infants , which is said to be baptism , is so far from being a seal of the covenant of god , that it is a mark of the whore of rome , and was by her first of all ordained and begun to be practised in her church , and your false minsters have received it from her , and it is a seal and sign that you and you ministrie and church is of the whore of rome , and not of the true church of christ ; for , the apostles nor the true church of christ never ordained nor practised such a thing amongst them ; and in the true church , as sprinkling of infants and calling it the baptism in the faith of christ , and the seal of the covenant , there was no such practice and dostrine amongst them ; but it is come up since the true church fled into the wildernesse , and since the beast received power over kindreds and nations , and it is an institution of the great whore that hath sat upon the waters , for many generations , and she hath made nations drink her cup of fornication , and the original of this practice and principle is received out of the whores cup , and not by any commandement of christ , or axample of his church and apostles ; and i cannot but charge thee , that thou teaches for doctrine the traditions of men , and holds forth for principles of religion , to be believed and learned , the institutions of the great whore , of whose cup thou hast drunk , and would also give it to others that they may drink it also , and to accomplish which evil end thou hast perverted the scriptures acts 2. 39. for the scripture hath no such thing intended in it , as to the baptising of infants , for which end thou hast falsely cited it , for though the promise is to as many as the lord our god shall call , yet what is this to the sprinkling of infants , which thou asserts as a principle of religion , and would seem to enforce it , by vertue of the scripture mentioned ? but thou hast abused the scripture , and shewed thy selfe to be disagreeing to the holie ministers and apostles of christ , and to be agreeing with the false church of rome , and this is answer sufficient to thee . and thou saist , the outward covenant of god is conditionall , and the profession of the faith entitles both such as make it , and their infants unto it ( to wit , ) the covenant . ans. the covenant of god is not outward but spiritual , as i have said , and it is also free , even the free gift of god , and the promise and covenant is freely manifested without the performing any thing by the creature to obtain it from god , for it stands not upon condition , but upon free love and mercie ; and many makes a profession of faith which hath not right nor title to the inheritance of salvation , nor to gods sure covenant , neither can anie upon earth , much lesse infants void o● understanding , have any assurance or title in the covenant of life eternal , but who are regenerated and born of the elect seed , for the unchanged and degenerated , in that state hath no title nor right in the covenant , but abrahams seed which is heir of the promise , which is born of god and not from below , to that is the covenant ; so thou hast spoken things thou knowest not , and hast manifested thy false principles which thou walkest in , and would cause others to receive them also . then thou speakest , of bread and wine , which ( saist thou ) are the outward signes in the lords supper , and are aseal of the covenant also , &c. ans. the supper of the lord is the bread of eternal life , the bodie and blood of christ , and who eats thereof shall never die , nor hunger and thurst any more ; and as for bread and wine visible and carnal , that is not the real supper of the lord , and even the purest institution and practice thereof is but a representation of a thing , and not the very thing , and the end and substance being come , the outward sign may be neglected ; but as for the manner and institution of that practice in the church of england , and the practise it selfe , we deny to be either a sign of good past , or to come ; but in an idolatrous way it is leld forth , and not in any true honour to god ; for he is thereby dishonoured ; for the false church hath gotten the forme of that practice as well as of many others , ( which the true church once practised ) without the power , and now doth practise many things , in meer imitation and vain idolatry , and in form and tradition , and without the teaching of the spirit , which sometime the true church and the apostles practised in the power , and by the leading of the spirit of god , and what the command of god was unto them ; so that though you may in some things practice the very same which the apostles did , yet having not the same spirit to lead you , nor being guided thereby as the saints and the apostles were , your works are but idolatry and formal , and not accepted of the lord , but stinks in his nostrels , and your covenant is outward , and your seals outward , your baptism and supper outward and carnal , and while you are with zeal prosecuting your outward proformances and following them , you neglect the inward , and the substance , which is christ within you the hope of glory , which if he be in you , then the body of sin is put off , and the vail is done away , and the representations are done away , and the substance and salvation is come , and if christ be not in you , you are reprobates , notwithstanding all your profession and practises of outward duties unto god without his spirit . and whereas thou hast quoted , col. 3. 10. gal. 5. 17. rom 7. 23. to prove that the new man , the spirit or law of the mind , is called the imperfect sanctification . ans. hereby openly thou hast shewed thy self to be a perverter of the scriptures and a wrester of them to thy own destruction ; for let but reasonable men peruse the scriptures mentioned by thee , and see if there be such a thing in them as held forth by thee ; that the new man , the spirit or law of the mind , is called imperfect sanctification , which thou hast asserted , and cited those texts to prove it , but to as to the thing it self i have answered before ; onely this is to shew , thy manner of perverting scriptures ; which is the work of the evil spirit in thee , and not the work of the spirit of god . and thus i have examined some part of thy principles of religion which thou hast put forth into the world , for others to learn ; and the error and falsness of them is laid open , and how contrary to the scriptures they are , and in haste as it were , i have passed over it , not willing to rake into things which gave no just occasion against truth ; but have onely confuted a few of thy many particulars ; which had i narrowly sought into other things , much unsoundness would have been discovered ; but what i have said is truly sufficient to discover unto sober persons , the error of thy judgement , and of thy principles and practices , and of thy whole religion ; and before ever thou be a true instructor of others in the way , thou must first repent and believe , and learn the way thy self , which yet thou are ignorant of ; for thou hast shewed no knowledge but what is sensual and devilish , and from below , and meerly carnal , and natural ; and meeting with thy book , and enquiring what the author was , i was engaged to say something to it by way of answer , and to lay it to the line of judgement according to the scriptures ; and it hath proved very guilty of error , and perverting scriptures , and of corrupt principles ; and in justice i could not but condemn it , and if thou shall receive the conviction of thy error , and of thy false doctrines by my answer , and repent , it shall prove to thy good ; but if thou shalt be stiff-necked , and harden thy heart , then shall thy condemnation be the greater and thy judgement the more just ; because god hath warned thee , and given thee a day of visitation , and shewed thee the error of thy wayes and judgement that thou mightest forsake thy transgressions , and be converted and live ; but whether thou shalt harden thy heart and remain in error , or repent or turn from it ; my reward is with the lord , and in him i have peace in this matter ; whatsoever , thy mind shall be towards me in my work ; for i stand not to mans judgement while i cannot be convinced of error in this business , and if thou shalt envy me , and have wrath in thy heart towards me , because i have dealt to plainly with thee in reproving of thee ; then thou wilt but add to thy own sin , and add more wrath up in store against thy self against the time of thy judgement , and a greater burden will lie upon thy conscience ; wherefore consider of these things and let not the day of thy visitation passe over , and be shut up with the night of darkness , and thou be everlastingly condemned ; and if thou shalt vindicate thy own false principles , by answering to me again ; thinking to clear thy self , and to reprove me , that will not prove thy best way because thou wants the truth and righteousness to stand by thee ; and to appear bold in a bad cause , will shew more wickedness , then sign of repentance ; and if thou do answer a sound reply will further unfold the misterie of iniquitie that lyes hid in thee , and be thy greater shame ; and as for thee and all the false ministers , god hath discovered you , and you are made bare and naked , and the false woman the whore , your mother , her shame is discovered and her judgement is come , and god is avenging us on her , and great babylon is now come into remembrance before the lord , to bring her down to the ground , and you have long made a prey upon the heritage of the lord , and been spoilers thereof , rather then builders of her breach , and she hath been troden down , and not pittied by you ; and as for your poor ignorant hearers they lie in thick darkness , and loves to have it so ; and the blind hath led the blind , and yet the light is arising out of thick darkness , and its appearance shall be glorious to expell all your errors , and that mist of darkness that doth now cover them , and this light shall arise in mens consciences , which shall discover the difference between every false , and the right way ; and all that take heed to the light shall no longer sit in darkness nor in the shadow of death , but their steps shall be directed in a perfect way ; and the glory of the lord shall shine forth upon them , and this will the lord bring to pass , and hasten his work , and cut it short in righteousness , for his elects sake . the 21. of the 3. mon. 1659. by a lover of thy soul , and a seeker of the good and peace of all men . e. b. the end . the testimony of the lord concerning london. witnessed in truth and faithfulnesse, to the consciences of all people in it, that they may returne to the lord, and repent. also, the great abominations discovered of this people, who draws near god with their mouths, and professes self-separation, when as their hearts be far from the lord. with a warning to all sorts of people in it, what the lord requires of them. by a lover of all your soules, e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a77959 of text r207563 in the english short title catalog (thomason e925_9). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 38 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 10 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a77959 wing b6033 thomason e925_9 estc r207563 99866607 99866607 118884 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a77959) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 118884) images scanned from microfilm: (thomason tracts ; 139:e925[9]) the testimony of the lord concerning london. witnessed in truth and faithfulnesse, to the consciences of all people in it, that they may returne to the lord, and repent. also, the great abominations discovered of this people, who draws near god with their mouths, and professes self-separation, when as their hearts be far from the lord. with a warning to all sorts of people in it, what the lord requires of them. by a lover of all your soules, e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. [2], 17, [1] p. printed for giles calvert, at the black-spread-eagle, near the west end of pauls, london : 1657. e.b. = edward burrough. annotation on thomason copy: "septem: 18", "sept: ye 18th". reproduction of the original in the british library. eng repentance -early works to 1800. a77959 r207563 (thomason e925_9). civilwar no the testimony of the lord concerning london.: witnessed in truth and faithfulnesse, to the consciences of all people in it, that they may r burrough, edward 1657 7420 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 b the rate of 1 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the b category of texts with fewer than 10 defects per 10,000 words. 2007-04 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2007-04 aptara keyed and coded from proquest page images 2007-06 angela berkley sampled and proofread 2007-06 angela berkley text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-02 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion the testimony of the lord concerning london . witnessed in truth and faithfulnesse , to the consciences of all people in it , that they may returne to the lord , and repent . also , the great abominations discovered of this people , who draws near god with their mouths , and professes self-separation , when as their hearts be far from the lord . with a warning to all sorts of people in it , what the lord requires of them . by a lover of all your soules , e. b. london : printed for giles calvert , at the black-spread-eagle , near the west end of pauls , 1657. the testimony of the lord concerning london . witnessed forth in truth and faithfulnesse , to the consciences of all people in it , that they may returne to the lord and repent . olondon , thou art weighed in an even ballance , and found too light ; thou art measured by an equall line , and found too short , and too narrow , and thy people cannot stand in judgement ; for aboundance of iniquity lodgeth within thee , and thou abounds in all unrighteousnesse , thy sins are grown over thy head , and with transgression thou art covered as with a garment , from the head to the foot thou art corrupted , and there is much unsoundnesse in thee . o how doth pride abound , lightnesse and wantonnesse , and the lust of the eye , and all the works of the flesh is increased to a large sum ; aboundance of idolatry and vanity springs out of thee , vaine fashions , foolish customes , and all manner of evill hath its abiding in thee ; yea the very seat of satan is established within thy walls , and works of unrighteousnesse doth proceed out of thee into other nations . aboundance of deceitfull merchandize , and of oppressing merchants , who grind the face of the poor , doth inhabit thy borders , thy wayes are evill in the sight of the lord , and his spirit is grieved and his soule is vexed from day to day , every moment of time . aboundance of treachery , flattery and hypocrisie , dissimulation , and double heartednesse , posesseth thine inhabitants , from teachers to people , high and low , rich and poor , you are fulfilling your own wills , and seeking your own pleasures , and following the counsells of your own hearts , and doing that which is right in the sight of your own eyes ; and your hearts are corrupted before the lord , and the very best of your works are evill , and the purest of your wayes are filthy . and all your observations , your dayes of humiliation , and thanksgivings , and all your worships and sacrafices , are abomination in the sight of the lord : for no good fruit can spring forth , for your root is not the vine christ jesus , who cannot own the light , with which you are enlightned , and that makes all your profession vile , and not accepted , but it is wholly unfruitfull in the sight of the lord . much profession there is in thee of righteousnesse , and religion , and many formes , and gatherings of people , which are but as so many images , and likenesses of divers sorts , which must be overturned , and overthrown by the roots . you are all measured with the line of true judgement , and your buildings cannot stand , when the lord comes to try you , and search , and try you for your life , for though you professe much , yet you performe little , your knowledge puffs you up , and you are not sincere hearted , but loose , and unsavoury are you in your wayes and words . there 's much wisdome in thee , and many wise men whose wisdome is devi●lish , and it doth not lead to god , it must be confounded and trodden down , for it profits you not in the sight of the lord , but in it you are wise to doe evill , but to doe good you have no knowledge ; and the lord god is forgotten , and his judgements are not known , vanity , vanity , hath so stollen away your hearts , and after idolls are you run , worshipping strange gods , and following strange lovers : aboundance of subtilty and craft lodges in thee , vaine glory excells above measure , pride , idlenesse ; and fulnesse of bread abounds in thee , even as in sodom , unto whom thou art become equall in transgression . whoredome , drunkennesse , wrath and envy , gluttony and excesse , spending the creation upon the lust , and all the works of the flesh which are evill , hath their full grouth in thee , and in evill art thou fully ripe . o london ! consider , and be awakened ye inhabitants thereof , for the lord is grieved day by day , and his soule is vexed every moment , the weight of thy transgression is upon him , thou even makest him to serve with thy sins ; hath there been any evill committed by any nation which is not in thee ? hath there been any abomination brought forth , which is not in this day to be found in thee ? oh what haughtinesse , and stretched out necks ! oh what pride , and vaine glory appears in thee , even thy infants are nourished up in vanity , and thy old men are over-grown with craft , and deceit ; thy young men gives their strength to folly , and thy maidens are trimd in wantonnesse : all sorts of people are prophane in their way , old and young , rich and poor , are abounding in evill , all seeking their own things , and few the things of gods kingdome , the way of truth is even despised , and they that depart from iniquity are become a prey to the mouths of the ungodly , who are grievously prophane , as though the lord took no notice , or as though no day of account were to come , so great is the iniquity committed in thee , words reaches not to manifest it , what lying , what swearing , what vaine talking , and what scorning , and what double dealing appears in thee at every corner , what pride , what wantonnesse , and wickednesse is manifest in all thy streets . teachers and people are out of the way , given to deceit , and to deceiving , oppressors , and oppressing one another , such is the devills power amongst you ruling , it cannot easily be overcome ; and so deep is wickednesse seated in thee , that it cannot easily be plucked up ; so strong is the lust of the flesh grown in thee , that it cannot easily be removed : how is the glorious name of the lord continually dishonoured , and polluted , through thy wickednesse , which is grown into a numberlesse sum . but the lord will be avenged on all you his enemies , and will meet you with judgements , plagues , and vengeance , and the wicked shall not escape . and as concerning all thy profession of god , and the scriptures in a blind zeale , it is but abomination to the lord , and all thy severall sects , and gatherings of people , and separate congregations , who is not separated by the spirit of the lord , they are but like so many molten and carved images , which the lord will overthrow . all thy offerings and oblations , preaching praying , and performances , gods soule hath no pleasure in them , but they are a burden and wearinesse to him ; and though thou wash thee never so clean , and make thy selfe never so faire through thine own labour , yet cannot thy iniquities be washed away , nor thy sin covered , for thy iniquities are marked before the lord , and thy sin is written as with a pen of iron , and as with the point of a diamond , all thy steeple-house worship is nought but vanity before the lord , all thy publick exercises , all thy sabboath keeping , all thy set dayes of humiliation , and all thy private duties , and all that ever thou performest unto god , is not regarded of him , while the hearts of thy people is not aright in his sight , and upright before him . so the best of thy sacrafices are but as the cutting off of a dogs neck , and the offering of swines blood , for in thee is found the great abomination , open prophanesse abounds , and secret hypocrisie super-abounds , and thou art as abominable in the eyes of the lord in thy hypocriticall profession of righteousnesse , as thou art in thy open sins . in thee is found the abomination of israel , mercy and truth , justice and true judgement is neglected : doe not thy heads judge for reward ? and doe not thy priests preach for hire ? and doe not thy prophets prophesie falsly ? and doe not they divine for money ? and doe not thy people love to have these things so ? oh how art thou deceived by thy teachers , and led blind by the blind leaders , even they that lead thee cause thee to erre , and they that should instruct thee teaches thee vaine things . woe unto them , the lords wrath is against them ? how doe they make a prey upon the people ? how doe they feed themselves , and cloath themselves , each one of them having a quarter from which they seek their gaine , and through covetousnesse making merchandize of soules ; the false prophets of israel was their example , and they follow in the path of unrighteōusnesse , having run and was never sent of god , and therefore the people are not profited at all , nor turned to god , but from year to year , and time to time , ever learning , but cannot come to the knowledge of the truth . ignorance abounds in thy old men , and rudenesse , and wildnesse in thy youths , and thy people are without the knowledge of god , and perishes for lack of knowledge ; thou art even as a wild untilled garden , which bringeth forth no pleasant fruit , thy vines are as the vines of sodem , and thy fruit is loathsome to the lords tast , wild grapes , and soure grapes is brought forth in thee , which the lord hath no pleasure in , ye bring forth fruit unto your selves , and not unto the lord , ye kindle a fire , and warmes your selves with your own sparks , ye sacrafice to your own net , and ye think to be heard for your much babling , and your many performances : abundance of the first mans wisdome is among you , it leads you , and guides you , and not the spirit of god , and through your own wisdome which is devillish you conforme to the saints words , and to their practises in outward appearance , and makes your selves like the saints , and bowes unto your own images , and likenesses which ye make , and are grown wise and full of knowledge , but it is not the wisdome of god , nor the knowledge that will endure for ever , for you neglect the one thing which onely needfull to eternall life . your buildings are high , but they are not upon the true foundation , for many of you stumbles at the corner stone ; your sprinkling of infants is a very cheat , and all that believe therein are deceived ; and your singing of davids experiences in rime and meeter , is a very lie unto you ; your worship is but idolatry , and it will not cover you in the day of the lord , though none be like unto thee o london in profession , nor any city hardly can compare with thee , in respect of the multitude of thy gathered assemblies , and self-separates , yet all this will not availe thee , when the lord searcheth thy heart , which is found not perfect before the lord , but full of vaine glory , and lust , and pleasures of the flesh , and dissimulation , and guile , with the wrath of god will be revealed against ; a single and an upright heart , is of greater price with the lord , then all the performances of selfe-righteousnesse that is done in thee , while your hearts are given to vanity , and continue therein . wherefore o london , this is a warning to thee , let thy inhabitants repent , the dreadfull day of the lord is coming , i have heard the voyce of war against thee , and not of peace , the cry of howling , and bitter lamentation , and not of gladnes , nor joy of heart , what wilt thou doe in the day of thy visitation , when the the lord stretcheth forth his hand to smite thee , to whom wilt thou flee , and where wilt thou be hid when the lord shewes himselfe thy enemy , and appears to take an account of thee , what will become of all thy treasures , how will thy vaine glory become a stink , how will the dayes of thy mirth be turned into grievous sorrow , in stead of thy pleasures , and delicacies , and mirth , and wantonnesse , shall be sighing , and mourning , and wofull lamentation , all thy gods shall not be able to deliver thee , nor all thy profession shall not justifie thee , nor all thy selfe-separating people shall not be able to stand in the gap to stay the hand of the destroyer , none of thy carved images shall stay his fury , nor none of thy severall sects shall be a mountaine to hide thee , when the lord strips thee naked , and layes thee bare , and gives thee to know what is in thy heart , which will come upon thee in a day not looked for . wherefore repent all sorts of people , and turne to the lord if there may be mercy found . cease your wickednesse ye wicked , and learne to live righteously . woe unto you drunkards . woe unto you whoremongers . woe unto you coveteous . woe unto you lyars , swearers , and scorners . woe unto you dissemblers , and deceitfull dealers . woe unto you proud , and vaine glorious . woe unto you lustfull people . the lord will plead with you all , and give unto you the fruit of doings , and reward according to your works ; his hand shall not spare , nor his eye shall not pity in the day that he comes to judgement , when he takes vengeance upon all the seed of evill doers , and to pluck up the wild branches , and to cast them into the fire . sackcloath shall be put on instead of gay apparell , and all thy idolls shall vanish away ; as for all thy profession , where is it ? all thy many sermons , and long prayers , what is become of them ? and all thy publique and private duties , where are they ? shall it be said , ye shall all know that there is a god that will execute judgement and justice , and that will plead with all flesh , and in his sight shall no flesh be justified . and all ye who thirsteth for the lord , and desireth after the knowledge of his wayes , unto whom iniquity is a burden , by you desired to be freed from , who have long sought the lord , and have not yet found him , who have prayed , and had no answer , and have been weary , and heavy laden , and found no rest : i say unto you , save your selves from this untoward generation , come ye out of these abominations , that you may be delivered from the wrath ; fear ye the lord , and doe not offend him in any thing , stand in awe , and transgresse not , love righteousnes and truth , touch no unclean thing , and the lord will receive you , meddle not with their worships , nor bow not to their images , nor sacrifice not to their idoll gods , have no fellowship with them in their prophanesse , nor yet in their hypocrisie , but hearken ye to the voyce of the lord , that you may know his judgements in your hearts , and his law and covenant established with you ; depart from all iniquity , and cast away all your idolls , and forsake all your lovers . give not your selves to the wayes and pleasures of this world , but give your selves to chastity , to sobernesse , and meeknesse , and above all things be upright in heart towards god , and towards man , speak the truth one to another , and let no guile dwell in your lips , nor a deceitfull tongue in your mouth . and cease from all vaine glory , and vaine customes , and fashions of the world , which are evill . and cease from all men-teachers , which deceives the people by flattering words , who cries peace when the lord hath not spoken peace , and daubes with untempered morter , such hath not profited you at all , but your soules are starved under your ministry , and leannesse is upon you , though you ever learne of them , yet you cannot come to the knowledge of the truth by them . cease from them all , and from all your gathered and selfe-separate congregations , and waite upon the lord that you may know him to be your teacher , who is the teacher of all his people , and he teacheth in the perfect way of peace and truth , and gives peace unto all that waite upon him , and causeth the heart of the upright to rejoyce , he taketh away sin , and removes it from his people , and he forgiveth all their iniquities , and healeth all their back-slidings , and blessed are all they that put their trust in him , for he is a god near at hand , for he dwells in his people , and he is worshipped onely in the spirit , and in the truth . he dwells not in temples made with hands , neither is he worshipped in outward observations , his soule hath no pleasure among any selfe-separate people , who cryes i am holier then another , neither is he well pleased with a sacrafice of the proud ; all their baptismes , and fellowships , and meetings , is but a wearinesse to the lords soule , and he hath no pleasure in any of their works , who follows their own spirit , and are not led with the pure spirit of god alone , but unto every one of such will he look , who is poor in spirit , and of a contrite heart , and of a single and upright mind , he gives regard unto every one that feares his name , who thirsts and hungers after him in truth and righteousnesse , and this is of exceeding great prize in the sight of the lord , yea more then all offerings and oblations whatsoever , even more then thousands of rames , and ten thousands of river of oyle . therefore hearken diligently to the voyce of the lord , and seek him with an upright heart , and thirst for him as for your daily food , i ose not your precious time , but call upon his name while he is near , for he is come near unto many ; he stands at the door , if any will open , he will come in , and will dwell with them for evermore . all sorts of people be awakened , be awakened , how doth the lord wait to be gracious unto you , he even tarries for you till you returne to him , that his soule may have pleasure in you , who hath long been grieved by you . therefore search your own hearts , and see how you stand prepared to meet the lord by following of his counsell , who hath so loved you , and all man kind , that he hath given his son into the world to be a light unto you all , and every one of you is lightned by him , and with the light you will know your evill deeds , and are convinced of them , and reproved for them , and with this light jesus christ calls you sinners to repentance , to turne from your evills that you may be restored . if you love this light , you love christ , who will save you from all your sins , and from condemnation : if you hate this light you hate christ , and you remaine in your sins to be everlastingly condemned . and thus is the way of life , and the way of death set before you all : if you follow the light of christ jesus , it will teach you to deny this world , and all the vanities of it , it will teach you to deny your own wills , and the counsells of your own hearts , and whatsoever is contrary to god in thought , word , or action , and in all things it will teach to follow jesus christ , that you may be justified by him ; but if you follow not the light , then you chuse your own wayes to follow your own wills , and your own lusts , and all temptations , and you deny christ and the way of truth , and so the wrath of god abides upon you , for you continue in unbeliefe , and in hardnesse of heart , and are the servants of sin unto death , if you follow not the light which christ hath enlightned you withall , who lighteth every man that comes into the world , that they may believe and be saved . therefore take heed to the light , if you be guided by it , you shall not transgresse against god , but you will receive the power of god to overcome all evill ; all sin and iniquity will be condemned in you , and your hearts will be made clean for the lord to dwell in , whose dwelling is in his people , and you must all cease from professing of what you doe not posesse , and from talking of what you doe not enjoy , for that is hypocrisie , and to be judged . so all ye professours be awakened , christ without you will not justifie you , except yee know christ within you , the profession of him will not take away sin , nor justifie in the sight of god , except you come to witnesse the operation of his spirit in you , and to teach you , from all evill , and into all good . therefore come to the feeling of the spirit of jesus in you , and the working of it , which changeth , reneweth , and sanctifieth , and brings to witnesse the same truth to be manifest in the heart , which the scripture speaks of without ; and as you receive the same spirit which gave forth the scriptures , so you will understand the scriptures , and by no other means ; for all your preaching , and talking of the scriptures without the spirit is but vaine babling , and that mouth is to be stopt , for god is not known where the operation of his spirit is not felt in the heart , nor he cannot be worshipped in truth , but where his spirit leads and guides . much vaine profession ther 's in thee o city , in which the lord hath no delight : and this is the testimony of the lord which i give concerning thee , and doe yet once more call unto thee , as often i have done , and doe seale the lords testimony against thee , even against all thy righteousnesse , and against all thy sin , which are both alike unto god , and both to be condemned . thou hast been warned , and thy people , and the day of a glorious visitation hath passed over thee , the lord hath reached unto many , and striked many who have not grieved , but carelesly walked , and slighted the day of their visitation , and have not hearkned to the lords call , unto thousands hath the word of the lord been declared , and the kingdome of god preached nigh at hand , and the very way of life and death hath been set before you , for the lord hath sent unto thee to warne thee , and to shew unto thee what the counsell of the lord is ; and thousands have been reached with the power of god , and convinced of the way of life & peace , who yet continues in hardnes of heart , and disobedience , following the counsell of their own heart , and the desire of their own minds , which are wholly evil continually , and the condemnation of such will be just in the day of the lord , and greater then theirs to whom the way of the lord hath not been known . and yet amongst thy thousands who are in the way to destruction , the lord hath a remnant , a few among so many , which are precious unto him , and whom his soule delighteth in , who are despised in thee , and set at nought , and cast out of the favour of all men ; yet is the lords presence amongst them , and his fear in their hearts , and his encrease is unto them , and his power with them , till all their enemies be vanished as a cloud , for they are of the true seed , and of the true birth , which the lord will blesse , though they be accounted as thy slaves , and bondmen , yet are they free in the lord ; and this is the very fulfilling of thy wickednesse , and the height of the transgression of thy rulers , teachers and people , in that some of them that feares the lord , and walks with him are persecuted in thee , even they are made a prey unto the wicked , to the slanderers , to the drunkards , to the scorners , to unjust and cruell men , the people of the lord are become a very prey in thee , even as meat for the devourers . oh what wilt thou do in the day of thy visitation , when the righteous judge numbers up these things against thee ? thystaffe shall faile thee , thy physitians shall be of no value , and all thy comforters shall be miserable at that day . i have truly considered thy condition , and measured thy state , and i have often seriously weighed thy wickednesse , and pondered what would be the end thereof , and there is no vision of peace unto thee , but even the day of desperate sorrow , a recompence for all thy works from the hand of the lord . i have often truly lamented thee , and seriously hath thy condition entred into my heart , thy iniquities have often pressed my soule , and my spirit hath been grieved within me , when i have viewed thy great abominations , and how thousands in thee wholly perish for lack of knowledge , and even resists , and will not be instructed , despightfully using such as doth warne them , even loving and delighting in their abominations ; these things have often made my heart sad , who have walked in thee as a stranger , and measured thee with the line of true judgement , and this is thy height , and length , and depth , iniquity lodgeth in thee , and iniquity covers thee , and iniquity compasseth thee about . and this is a warning to thee , from the lord in faithfulnesse declared unto thee , whether thou resist , or receive , and thus far i am clear of the blood of all men in thee , who seeketh not any thing in thee for my selfe , but seeketh , and hath often , to the lord for thee , that thy people might know him , and worship him alone , who gives unto them all good things , and hath caused the fulnesse of all good creatures to abound , and hath given plenty of all things , abundance of which is spent vainly upon the lust , to the dishonour of god who gives it ; how much is vainly spent upon vanity in meats , and drinks , and apparell ? it s hard to be declared what abundance of the good creatures of god is vainely destroyed in thee upon the lust in the excesse , more then what satisfies pure nature , your gluttony and high minds devoureth in abundance the good creatures which god gives , and he is thereby grieved with you , who hath taken notice of this your sin , which is not the least of your transgressions , and he will plead with you for it , even in all things great is your wickednesse , and the lord hath numbred it . and above all things that is done in thee , thy deceitfull profession and pretence of worship of god , is the lord most grieved with , who hates all your meetings of gathered assemblies , which is not gathered by his spirit , he will confound your wisdome , and overthrow all your buildings ; wherefore repent ye , and cease from idolls , and all idolatry , and cease for ever to warme your selves at your own sparks , for this shall you have at the lords hands , ye shall lie down in sorrow . a warning to you all sorts of people . ye merchants , and traders , and trafiquers , and all ye that buy and sell , be plaine and upright hearted , and lie not , swear not , dissemble not for gaine unto your selves , for that is cursed of the lord , and the gaine that is thereby received ; but speak the truth every man to his neighbour , flatter not such with whom you deale by feigned words of guile , whilst secret over-reaching lodgeth in your hearts , to make a prey upon your neighbour or brother , for this is evill in the sight of the lord , but speak the truth in all things , and let your yea be yea , and your nay nay , in all your common occasions , for whatsoever is more is evill , and what is advantaged unto you through deceit , or lying , or multitude of vaine words , it shall be a curse unto you , and not a blessing unto you , or to your children ; let the truth guide you in all your dealings one with another , and let the fear of god be in your hearts in all your enterprizes at sea and land . i warne you all , seek not by any evill means to enrich your selves , neither oppresse one another in any thing wherein you deale , for you know not how long your time shall be upon earth , nor how soon the day of account will come , wherein every word and every work shall be brought to judgement , yea for every idle word shall ye give an account , and all those words are idle which are not spoken in the fear of the lord , therefore live and act in the fear of god , that you may be blessed in all that you doe . and all ye whom the lord hath blessed with riches and increase , see that you abuse not that which god hath blessed you withall , but in all things that it be used to the glory of the lord , and not wasted in excesse upon the lust of your own minds , for the creation is the lords , and all things are given by him , and taken away at his pleasure , and he maketh rich , and he maketh poor whomsoever he will . therefore every man be content with his own , and covet not one anothers , nor defraud not one another to enrich your selves , for it is cursed of the lord . and all ye handicrafts people , and labouring people , fear ye the lord continually , and use no deceit , nor craft , nor policy in what you doe in labour , seek not to blind mens eyes by faire outsides , neither to cozen and cheat the simple by slighty work , but let the truth guide you , and that will teach you to doe for all men as you would they should doe for you , and this is acceptable in the sight of god ; let your commodities be just and right , and let all your labour be with a single heart , and do all things as in the sight of the lord , and then you cannot doe evill if the fear of god be before your eyes , and the evill in all things will be denyed , and the corruption that is entred into all callings and trades , will be judged out , and be examples one to another of truth and righteousnesse and cozen not nor cheat not one another , nor use not many words , nor vaine gestures , but own the lord to be your teacher , which will teach you truth to do it , and to speak it in all things . and all ye young men , and prentises , learn ye the fear of the lord , and take heed of temptations , least ye be destroyed both soule and body by them ; learn not to dissemble , nor to defraud , nor take not instructions how to cozen and cheat , but first seek the kingdome of god and its righteousnesse , and then all outwards things shall be added unto you . give not your selves to any evill , beware of wine and women , which steales away the hearts of many , give not your selves to vanity , nor fulfill not the desire of your own minds in any thing , covet not after riches , neither study how to be pround and vaine glorious , give not your selves to craft and humane policies , nor to deceive any people , but fear god and keep his commandments , and be subject to your masters , and obey them in all things that is good , and be dutifull to them in that which is just and righteous , but deny them in whatsoever is evill : learn not craft and policy from them , neither whoredome , nor vice , nor drunkennesse , nor cozenning , nor any other thing which is evill , but rather reprove those things , then in the least to follow them ; and if you doe the truth , and speak the truth in all things , and keep your selves from whatsoever is evill , then will the lord blesse you outwardly , and inwardly , and the knowledge of god will be your crown in old age ; and cease from all gamings , and vain sportings , and from all wantonnesse , and vaine pleasures , and from all the works of the flesh , for they that follow such things shall neither prosper in this world , nor be blessed in the world to come . wherefore take heed unto your selves all ye that are young in the world , be not overcome of evill , nor follow not evill devices , but stand in awe continually , and offend not god , who gives you life , and health , and all good things . and all ye masters and heads of families , this is a warning to you , be examples of all good in your families unto your children and servants , rule in authority in the fear of god , but not in tyranny , nor a rigorous mind , teach and instruct in fear , and not in cruelty , give no bad example in pride , vaine glory , drunkennesse , whoredome , dissimulation , nor any other thing , but stand as a terrour over all evill , and as encouragers of all good , bind not the conscience of any under your power , curb sin onely , and reprove not righteousnesse ; seek ye to be taught of god , and then may you instruct all under you in his way ; be pittifull towards your children , and servants , and passe by offences rather then punish them with cruelty , and make not a prey upon your servants to serve your own ends onely , seeking your own good onely and not theirs , for such things are evill in the sight of god , and it is to be condemned : let no excesse , neither let want , be in your families , but that which is honest and right , love that in all things , and follow it ; let not your anger and passion exceed when offence is given you , and doe not correct in cruelty , but in a good understanding , and walk in the truth , and fulfill the will of god , and not your own , and this is of great prize and acceptable in the sight of the lord . and all ye tavern keepers , and inn-keepers , fear the lord god , and oppresse not your guests neither feed the lust of any til they be drunk , for that is cursed of god both in you & them , and that which he will be avenged of . oh great is that abomination among you , much of the good creatures is vainly and wickedly spent , and abused in your dwellings , and your advantage stands in the abuse of the creatures by excesse , and the lord is grieved with you because of that . and all sorts of people , rich and poor , high and low , masters and servants , parents and children , buyers and sellers , trades men and labourers , hearken to the counsell of god , and seek to know his will to you in all things that you may doe it , in following all that which is good , and denying all that which is evill , that your soules may live ; let not the devill lead you , nor his temptations overcome you in any thing , but resist him in whatsoever he would lead you into which is against god and contrary to him . repent of all evill that ever you have acted , & let the lord be your guide that you may not utterly perish , and your city be destroyed for your sakes , the lords love is towards you , and he waits to be gracious unto you , and desireth your returne , rather then your destruction , and would heale you if ye did waite upon him , and would blesse your city , and make you happy in it , if you doe his will , and deny your own . i am a friend unto all your soules , and a publisher of peace , and of glad tidings to all that thirst for the lord , and he hath given me to warne you of all your iniquities , and abominations to deny them , and of all that which is good to follow it . and oh that ye knew in this your day the things which belongs to your peace , which now ye may know , before they be totally hid from your eyes , and there be no place for repentance , nor time of returning , and this day will come upon many , and they cannot escape it , who now hardens their hearts against the way of your own peace , and even scornes to be reproved for their transgression , and such my soule pitties who are going in the way of destruction , and runs hastily into perdition ; i have many times been made sad by reason of such , when i have measured the condition of all people ; upon my bed , i have pondered what abomination was in thee , and what would be the end thereof , and i have desired nothing so much , as that i might faithfully warne thee , and free my selfe , and the lord from the blood of all men ; deep thoughts have been upon me concerning what the counsell of the lord is unto you all , that i might manifest the truth , and discover the abominations , and i have not spared to cry repentance unto sinners , that sinners might be converted , and turne unto the lord , and thus farre i am clear of the blood of all men , and the lord is cleare , and if the wicked perish , it is because of their unbeliefe , and gainsaying of the lord , and this is the testimony that i give unto thee , and unto all thy people , o london hearken , and consider this is the only day of your visitation , and there is not another way to life , nor to escape everlasting death , and destruction then that which the lord hath shewed you , blessed is he that can receive it , and they that deny it doth utterly perish without mercy . london the 15 of the 6 moneth , 1657. i am as a stranger among you , yet well known to the lord , and the testimony of god concerning you shall stand for ever ; for it is true , and shall not be confounded , though the wicked reject it to their own destruction . finis . a generall epistle, and greeting of the fathers love, to all the saints called and chosen to faithfulness in christ iesus ... : and this is to all such as are found worthy to suffer, and is an exhortation to the strengthning of their faith ... : and this is a true testimony of the father and of the son ... burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30524 of text r14763 in the english short title catalog (wing b6004). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 41 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 9 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30524 wing b6004 estc r14763 12034970 ocm 12034970 52868 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30524) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 52868) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 861:13) a generall epistle, and greeting of the fathers love, to all the saints called and chosen to faithfulness in christ iesus ... : and this is to all such as are found worthy to suffer, and is an exhortation to the strengthning of their faith ... : and this is a true testimony of the father and of the son ... burrough, edward, 1634-1662. [2], 14 p. printed for thomas simmons ..., london : 1657. reproduction of original in huntington library. signed: edward burrough. eng society of friends -great britain. a30524 r14763 (wing b6004). civilwar no a generall epistle, and greeting of the fathers love, to all the saints, called and chosen to faithfulness in christ iesus and the light of burrough, edward 1657 8857 6 0 0 0 0 0 7 b the rate of 7 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the b category of texts with fewer than 10 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 spi global keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-07 judith siefring sampled and proofread 2004-07 judith siefring text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-10 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion generall epistle , and greeting of the fathers love , to all the saints , called and chosen to faithfulness in christ iesus the light of the world , in which they believing , and their faith standing in his power , many suffers for his names sake . and this is to all such as are found worthy to suffer , and is an exhortation to the strengthning of their faith , whereby they may continue boldly witnessing to the end . and this is a true testimony of the father and of the son ; witnessed by us who are called of god , in whom his power is made manifest . london ; printed for thomas simmons at the bull and mouth neer aldersgate , 1657. to the reader . forasmuch as many who are partakers of the fathers love , manifested in his son in measure , in whom these epistles hath found greeting ; with the same love in the upright hearted , to which it is a sure testimony of love from life it self , to the quickning , strengthning , confirm●ng , and arming of all such as have in the love , life and power heard , and received , and believed the truth as it hath been declared , and is in jesus , in whom our faith is standing ; which faith worketh by the love shed abroad in our hearts , wherein we are reaching after each other in the sameness of love , which is the bond of our unity , wherein we are called together to be joyned in the purity , power and life of one faith and love , therein to bear testimony ( as we have in our measures recieved ) to , and of the everlasting truth , wherein finding these epistles of such manifold service to the whole body , both for instruction , exhortation , strengthening , and forewarning , whereby there is or may be a safe arming against all decee●t and decivable spirits ; hence it is from the earnest love and desire stirred up in many here among us that are faithful , whereby this they put in print , that thereby the service may reach unto all who are worthy thereof in these nations , for to them is it sent , who are called of god ; therefore in the fear of the lord let every one of vs to whom this comes walk worthy of the fathers love , grace , mercy and peace , whereinto we are called in one body , of which christ is head . sent from london the 2. of the 3. month , 1657. a.d. an epistle to all the saints whom god hath called . to all the children of light every where , who feareth and loveth the lord , who are begotten of god , and unto whom he is known in the spirit and in the truth ; this is a testimony of the fathers love unto you , grace , mercy , and peace from him that lives for ever , the god of light and life be multiplyed in you all , that you may daylie be renewed in strength , and girded with truth , and armed with the whole armour of god , and may be kept by his power until the day of salvation , to walk in the government and subjection to jesus christ , witnessing the power and presence of god in you , and amongst you , giving you power to fulfil his will in all things , and that in all righteousness , and out of all evil you may be led , and preserved unto the end , and in the end , to shew forth the praises of god in this generation , as a people called of him , and redeemed by him for his glories sake ; even so amen , and amen . dearly beloved , be not ignorant , but this know , this is the message which came unto you , which is true and faithful , and everlasting , that the true god is light , and in him is no darkness at all ; and this is the message of peace and reconciliation , and of glad tydings unto all that have sought the lord , which we received of him , and you have heard , and there is not another to be declared ; and all that have received it , are gathered up to god , and are in covenant with him , and one with another , and are in that which reconcileth and joyneth unto christ jesus ( the husband ) and second adam , who is the lord from heaven , the prince of peace , the saviour and the deliverer , who is made manifest in power , and condemneth the transgressor , and slayeth the enmity , and raiseth the life out of death ; and this is he who kills and makes alive , even the god who is light , who brings down one , and sets up another ; who makes war against the mighty , and gives peace to the poor ; and besides him there is none ; he searcheth mans heart , and tryeth the reins , and knows the thoughts , and every creature is manifest in his sight , who gives to every one according to his doings ; and this is he who standeth in the congregation of the righteous , even in the midst of us , & sitteth judge among the gods , unto him must all the gods of the earth bow , and the inhabitants of the earth must tremble before him , and unto him every tongue shall confess , and the light in every man shall answer when he ariseth to judgement , who is a swift witness to condemn or justifie all the children of men upon the face of the earth . this is the god of truth whom we worship , and who will be worshipped in spirit and in truth , who is the god of abraham and his seed for ever ; and with him there is no change , nor shadow of turning ; and he hath made known his name , and his power , and his wonderful works in this his day , and hath caused his voice to be heard in the earth , and the dead hath heard and now liveth . and his name is exalted on high amongst all that fear him and obey his voice ; and he hath given his son a covenant of light , who lighteth every man that cometh into the world with the true light of life , or condemnation , that all who receive him may come to the knowledge of the father , whom to know is life eternal . and this is the christ , the saviour , in which we have believed , and which we preach , who is the way , the truth and the life , the foundation of god which cannot be moved , the word of god is his name , and there is no other name given for salvation . this is he that was dead , and is alive , and lives for evermore ; and there is no other to be looked for ; if any preach any other , let him be accursed ; and if any bring any other message , let them not be received . and all you who have believed in this christ jesus , who is the light of the world , and who have received the knowledge of this god , who is light himself , and that searcheth your hearts , i exhort you , and warn you all in his presence that lives for ever , to wait upon him , and to fear before him , and to walk with him for ever in uprightness of heart , which is of great price in his sight , and forget not his righteous judgements which he hath made known , least you wax fat through mercies , and rebel against him , and become disobedient and gainsaying , and so be destroyed from being a people ; but be stayed upon the lord , and let your hearts be established with grace , and be not tossed nor shaken with any wind of doctrines of men , which is not from the life of god , nor reaches to the life in you , but begets into idolatry , to worship other gods then he who is light ; and be not troubled at temptations , nor at sufferings , nor at reproaches , nor any other thing , but stand in the counsel of god , and in his long-suffering , and wait patiently upon him in your own measure of the grace of god received , which is sufficient for you to preserve you , that victory over death and over him that hath the power over it , you may receive , to trample upon all that which is contrary to the life of god within you , and without you ; neither be you troubled nor offended in christ if any among you deny the lord , and backslide from his pure way through an evil heart of unbelief , and so become disobedient children , and vex the righteous soul ; such shall bear their own burthen and condemnation in the day of the lord ; and know , that truth changes not , but is the same for ever , though the deceitful hearted , through unbelief , depart from it , and choose their own wayes , and despise the counsel of the lord to their own destruction ; but be ye more watchful , and faithful , and valiant for the truth upon earth unto the end , that you may be found faithful witnesses unto the name of the lord in this crooked generation , and may receive the fulfilling of the promise of god , and may witness god with you , the emanuel , the saviour , god with us ; and this is the whole salvation , and there is no other to be expected or witnessed then this , that god dwells in us , and walks in us , according to his promise ; and all that know this , needs not go forth to the right hand or to the left ; but salvation is come unto us , he that takes away sin , and saves from it , and from condemation ; and who witnesseth this , are begotten by the word of god , and born of the immortal seed , and are new creatures ; and there is now no condemnation , but the reward of righteousness and peace to us , who are not in the flesh , but in the spirit ; and here we witness the lord is our god , and we are his people , and he sees no sin in us who are born of him , nor remembers iniquity ; but his covenant is with us , and the kingdome is become the lords , and his dominion is set up , where god is all in all , where the prince of darkness is cast out ; and this is the end and substance of all ministrations , which we bare witness of , and i do exhort all you that are called of god every where , patiently to wait in the way of the lord , and in his judgements to receive this , and to possess it within you , that you may be worshippers of god , and doers of his will , and may have the witness that you are accepted of him , and may know your calling and election sure , where nothing that defileth can enter , but that may be taken away and removed , and him you may feel and witness , which satan hath nothing in , who is the second adam , and cannot be overcome , but is greater then the first adam who was overcome ( though innocent ) and is lost from the presence of god ; but he in whom there is no sin , & who cannot transgresse , comes to seek & to save that which was lost in sin , and to bring back that which was driven away by sin ; and he is greater then innocency , and overcometh the devil , and is called the son of god ; and to him that overcometh , who is the light of the world , is all power given of the father : and know him in you all to be the greatest , who is not of the world , nor cannot bow to the devil , to give you dominion and authority over all the world , and the powers of hell and death , even he who sealeth up the old dragon in perdition never more to deceive : and who witnesseth this , knoweth the election which it is not possible to deceive , or be deceived ; and as every one of you hath received him who is the lord from heaven , so let your faith stand in him , and walk in him ; and let all your conversations be ordered by him , in all pure and blameless walking in the sight of your enemies , that it may be manifest that you are branches in him , and that you have received power to become the sons of god , and that you are heirs of the inheritance which shall not fade away . and all you that witness this , your eye is opened to see god , and you are cleansed from sin by the word of god , and you have received the peace with god , and glad tydings from him in your own souls ; and this is salvation by the second adam ; herein be established and setled , and look not for another ; for there is not any besides this saviour and this salvation , but if any preach another , believe them not ; and if any cry , lo here , and lo there is christ without you , go not after them , nor follow them , but know him within you , which is greater then all ; yea , if we our selves , or an angel from heaven , preach any other jesus then he which lighteth every man that cometh into the world , or any other salvation then god with us , let us be accursed ; for this is the gospel of our salvation , christ jesus within us the hope of glory , the power and wisdom of god to rule and reign in us , by which we are changed from death to life , and translated from the power of darkness into the kingdom of his dear son . and now all friends and elect of god , who are called and faithful , you that have received this testimony which god hath given of the son , and which the son hath given of the father , which in faithfulness hath been testified in this generation , i exhort you all in the fear and counsel of the lord , take heed to that which you have believed , and heard , and learned of the father , which is the truth as it is in jesus , and shall abide for ever ; and be not removed from your hope , nor given to change , but minde the life of god in you all , which is immortal , and is but one , and it answereth to the lord in judgements , and in mercies one to another in that which is righteous and just , and witnesseth against all the works of the world , which are evil , and not wrought in god . ye that know this which is of the father in you , dwell in it , and walk in it , and be not shaken out of it , nor removed from it , for it is the way of peace unto everlasting rest , where there is no sorrow but righteousness , peace and joy in the holy ghost , and every one in particular have salt in your selves to savour withal , that you may resist the wicked one in all his temptations , and may not joyne to any thing which is out of union , and contrary to the life of god , & to the truth which you have received , that you may never be betrayed of your hope , nor of the simplicity which is in christ jesus , in which the father is well pleased ; and let the light of the world guide you in all things , that your works may be wrought in god , never to be condemned , nor you to suffer loss , knowing this first , that none are justified by him but them that are led and guided by him ; and to whom he is a saviour , he is also a teacher , and he is given to teach in all the wayes of truth . and now let your fellowship be in the power and life of god , and know not one another in words onely , and in shews , and in outward appearance , but witness one another in the spirit and in the truth , and have communion there in breaking the bread of life , that christ jesus may be seen to be the head in you , and you members to serve him and one another , all receiving wisdom from the head and vertue , and vertue from the vine ( christ jesus ) that you may abound in love , mercy , and peace , and all the fruits of righteousness unto the father , and dwell in the fear and counsel of god , and be subject to his will , not despising the cross which is the power of god , which slayes the birth that is born of the flesh , which is not heir of the promise ; but walk in the cross dayly , that your understanding may be kept open to try and discern all spirits , whether they be of god , and believe not every spirit , for lying spirits may arise among your selves , and go forth from the light , who is not in the truth , but in the feignedness and hypocrisie , with false visions , and lying imaginations , handling the word of god deceitfully , and corrupting and perverting the pure way of god , having the form , but not the power , having left the power , and gone from the light , and such utters the words of truth without the life , and is but as the chaff to the wheat , and they are to be denyed and resisted , and not joyned to , least innocency and simplicity be betrayed , and your faith made void , and so you be destroyed from the life of god , and death surprize you , and darknesse enter into your dwellings , and so unbelief , and doubtings , and murmurings , and lustings after evil arise in you , and you be perverted from the worship of the true god , and grieve his righteous spirit by bowing to idols , and following of other lovers , and so the true god , which hath brought you out of egypt , and made manifest his power in you ; be forgotten , and the faith of his son made shipwrack of and your later end be worse then the beginning , and the name of the lord be dishonoured by you ; and then wo unto you , his wrath shall suddenly break out against you ; wherefore hear , and fear , and hearken unto the word of the lo●d , he hath caused his light to shine forth , and his voice to be heard ; he hath proclaimed his name amongst you , and hath caused his marvelous light to approach when you set in darness in the land of the shadow of death , when you were lost he sought you , and when you were driven away and scattered , he found you , and brought you home ; when you were in your blood , and no eye pittyed you , he had mercy upon you , and bound you up , and healed you ; when you were dead , he said unto you , live , and it was so ; when you were led captive by the devil , under the power of death , he break the chains , and set you free ; and when there was none to help & to save , his own arm brought deliverance and salvation , and the way of life and peace he set before you . and now all this hath his own arm accomplished , that you should be a praise unto him for evermore ; now if you walk in the way which he hath set before you , and keep his covenant which he hath made with you , and fulfil his will , and walk in righteousness , in love and unity , in meekness , lowliness , humbleness , and in soberness , and watchfulness , and in fear of his name ; then shall his presence never forsake you , nor his outstretched arm cease to defend and preserve you , but he shall go before you , and be your reward ; and he shall be your god , and you shall he his people ; and you shall dwell in him , and he shall be your hiding-place ; and he will be to you a father , and you shall be his children , and his blessing and peace shall remain in your habitations for ever and ever ; but if any of you turn aside for a thing of naught after vanity , and deny the way of righteousness , and forget the lord , and kick against him , and follow the way and counsels of your own hearts , and worship other gods , and joyne your selves to strangers , and commit adultery with other lovers , and make the cross of christ of non-effect , and turn from the light of christ within you , and fulfil your own wills , and the desire of your own minds , and go out of the fear of the lord into the liberty of the flesh ( which is not the liberty in christ jesus ) and so seek your selves , and strive for mastery to be one above another , and so surmize evil one against another , and the bond of peace be broken , and vain contention and strife appear ; then shall the rod of god smite you , and his wrath be suddenly kindled against you , and you shall not prosper , but his countenance shall be hid , and the terrors of the lord , and lamentations shall possess you , and peace shall flee far from you ; and such shall be cast out of the camp of the lord , and shall have no part in the inheritance , but the blessing shall depart , and the curse shall enter till utter destruction ; yea , and if any of you deny the lord unto whom his way is made manifest , he will deny you , and you shall have no part in him , but vengeance in flames of fire will he render upon the disobedient , manifold more then if his love and way of peace had not been made manifest to you , and the light of the world is your condemnation for evermore if you turn from it . and in the presence of the living god i warn you all , believe not that spirit , neither follow it which brings any other message then what hath been declared from the beginning ; believe not him which cryes , lo here , or lo there is christ without you , or that draweth from the measure of christ within you , to hearken to , or to be taught by any other thing , for that spirit is not of the father which preacheth any other christ then he that is the light of the world , and lighteth every man that cometh into the world , and which bringeth any other message then that god is light in himself , and hath given his son a light into the world ; and this is the true testimony of the father and of the son , and he that testifieth any other message , is to be judged and denyed ; he is not a worshipper of the true god , but out of the truth , and in the error , and a deceiver , and being deceived . again , believe not that spirit , neither follow it , which ministers to others that which it hath not learned of the father , but hath the words without the power , and lives not in the power of what it ministers forth in words , nor is not what it declares , but is in the outward shews , in the hypocrisie and feignedness , and reacheth not the life of god , but vails and covers it , and that spirit is not of the father , but is to be denyed and judged , and not received nor believed . again , believe not that spirit , neither follow it , which is at liberty in the flesh , and makes the offence of the cross to cease , which is exalted out of the fear of the lord in the liberty of the earthly , which crucifies the life , and darkens the eye ; and that spirit will boast of joy , and peace , and experience , and knowledge , and speak high words in the airy mind , and that would lead you out of your conditions to glory above the cross , till you be past feeling of the life ; and that spirit begets into feignedness and hypocrisie , and into the love of the world which passes away ; and beware of that spirit , for it is not of the father , but to be condemned . again , believe not that spirit , neither follow it , which is hasty , and forward , and rash , for that goeth out of gods counsel , and betrayes the just , and strives to be greatest , and to be above the weak , and despises him , and would be master , and not a servant , and would rule , and not be ruled in the meek & lowly government of christ , and that spirit will judge out of thoughts rashly and unfavourily , and condemn another in secret in what it self is guilty of ; beware of that spirit , for it is not of god , but to be judged with the life of god . again , believe not that spirit , neither follow it , which seeks it self to have praise of men , and to be accounted , and would beget into divisions , and would have parties to it self , and respects persons , and glories in gifts , and knowledge , and parts , more then in the giver , and admires men more then he that gives the encrease , and feeds of the knowledge in that nature which is to be famished , and glories in what hath been done by it as though it had not received power from the lord , and is exalted as though it bare the root , not knowing that it is born of the root ; and that spirit spends its treasure which it received in the fathers house , amongst harlots , and despises the poor , and seeks occasion to glory over the weak , that it may be renowned ; beware of that spirit i charge you all , for it is not of the father , nor to be followed , but to be condemned , and resisted unto death . again , believe not that spirit , neither follow it , which preaches not from the measure of god received , and to be manifest to it in you , and approved by it only , but speaks above the measure , and reaches not to the measure of the grace of god ; that spirit leads after words and outward shews , and cryes peace to the rich , and judgement to the poor ; & the word of god is not divided aright , but heals up falsly , and daubs with untempered morter , and cryes peace where gods speaks war ; and cryes war where god speaks peace ; and that spirit is a deceiver and a betrayer , and feeds but the ear , and not the life , and darkens the counsel of god by words without knowledge , and is not of the father , but of the world , & to be denyed and condemned . again , believe not that spirit , neither follow it , which is not subject to rule and order , and is not meek , and diligent , and long suffering , but heady , and high , and untoward , seeking occasions against the just , and watches for evil ; that spirit will not bear reproof , but is idle , sloathful , and careless , and surmising evil , and backbiting , and conforms in appearance , making a fair shew , but is not unto god , as appearing unto man ; and that would go , and is not called ; and will not go when it is called ; and seeks for the praise of men more then god , and that is fruitless ground , and brings forth bryars and thorns in secret , which choaks the seed of god ; beware of that spirit , it is a lover of this world ; have no fellowship with it , for it is not of the father , but a deceiver , and is to be denyed . again , believe not that spirit , neither follow it , which is tossed and unsetled , and is given to change , and is not established with grace , that is an adulterer , and hunts for the precious life , and seeks by flattery to beguile the innocent ; that spirit is zealous for a moment , but is soon overcome , and is stony ground , and brings not forth fruit to perfection , but withers , and its later end is worse then the beginning . that spirit is exalted into presumption , and in peace , and cast into desparation and trouble , and the double mind lodgeth in it , and it is unstable in all its wayes , & is a ground for the seed of satan , and to it there is no peace from god ; and beware of that spirit , for it is not of the father , but to be condemned . again , believe not that spirit , neither follow it , which is more zealous then knowing , whose zeal is without true knowledge , and stands in that which is corrupted , that flourisheth for a moment ; but cannot endure for ever ; it hath no root in it self , but is furious and passionate , and not long-suffering , that spirit knows not it self , but would devour its adversary with bitterness , and not gain'd by long suffering ; that is not the spirit of the father , but must be denyed in all . again , believe not that spirit which draws back into the world , into its lusts , and liberty , and fashions which passeth away ; that spirit forgets god , and draws back , for his soul hath no pleasure in it , but is vexed with it , where the cross is made of non-effect , and the false liberty is walked in , which murders the life ; that spirit is of the devil , and is to be condemned . and now all friends of god every where , who knows him , and are known of him whom he hath gathered out of this untoward generation ; be diligent in your callings , and keep your meetings in faithfulness , waiting upon the lord , that you all may receive of his fulness to be filled with it , and may be nourished up unto himself , as trees of righteousness , the planting of his own right hand , to spread forth his name and glory , as a people saved by him , and to whom there is none like besides . and this know and understand , that spirit is not of the father which confesseth not the son to be come in the flesh , who destroys the works of the devil , and takes away sin ; and that spirit it believe and follow which condemns sin , and destroys it , and takes it away , and so gives peace with god in your own consciences , and leads you into all truth , and keeps you from all evil ; & you that witness this , the son you know , and the father you know to dwell with you , and in you ; and this is the first and the last ; believe in him , and follow him , and look not for any other ; and in this the father of life and glory , whose dominion is without beginning and end , establish you , and preserve you , amen , and amen . i a beloved brother , and a companion unto all the saints in suffering , and in rejoycing , who have received this testimony from the father , doth with it in this epistle salute the whole church in the love of the father , as moved of him by his eternal spirit , who beareth witness to me that we are of god , and the whole world lies in wickedness , and that all that are of god heareth us . and this testimony i give of the father , and of the son , and of the truth , and of the salvation of which i am made a witness , and against all that ever shall deny it , or turn from it : and this is thus far the words of my testimony by the spirit of the father , not knowing when the time comes it may be finished , and the night may come when no man can work . edvvard burrough : to all that suffer for the testimony of iesvs , and for his names sake . the glorious god of truth hath appeared and made known his way and truth perfectly in this our day , and hath chosen unto himself faithful witnesses , to testifie of his name , and of his truth before rulers and people , and hath brought forth a seed which is not of this world , which cannot bow to the devil , but is heir of gods inheritance , though a sufferer in this world under the powers thereof , and many in this generation , who are called , and faithful , and chosen , bears witness unto the name of the lord in sufferings and tribulations , whom he will honor because they honor him , who is exalting his truth and his people through sufferings . and now all friends who are called to suffer for the testimony of jesus , and for the exercise of a pure conscience which you hold , be valiant for the truth upon earth and faint not , but finish your testimony with joy for the lord , and against all your enemies , and look not forth at afflictions and sufferings , but look beyond them to the recompence of reward ; neither be offended in christ , though ye are called to suffer for him , and for his names sake ; but dwell in the peace with god , which is a sufficient reward ; and take heed to your life which is immortal , that it you may feel and enjoy , and account that the present sufferings is not worthy to be reckoned with the glory that is to be revealed , and of which you have the earnest , even present peace with god ; and look beyond your sufferings , and before the rage of man was , and feel the life of god in you fresh and lively , which is more then all things , to carry you above all the world , and all its envy , which is against the seed of god . and take heed of temptations , for the power of satan will work , and is near to tempt you in sufferings , to gain dominion over you , and to touch your life , and to cast you down : therefore mind the life of god in you to have dominion , which satan hath nothing in , which is not given him to touch ; and that is more then all , yea all that a man hath will he give for his life to enjoy it when he is tryed ; ( this i witness ) & you are tryed by sufferings and tribulations , and your faith and patience is proved ; therefore approve your selves faithful unto the lord by long-sufferings and patience , that satan overcome you not , though he may touch you , and have power to cast some of you into prison , and otherways to win now you , and to try you for your life ; but be faithful unto death , and you shall receive the crown of life eternal ; and keep the word of his patience , that you may be delivered , and satan may bow under your foot . and all you that suffer for well doing , who holds fast the testimony which you have received of god ; now when your hearts are searched , blessed from the lord you are , your reward you shall possess , which no man can take away , even the life , and liberty , and treasure which satan cannot touch nor spoyle you of . ye that suffer because you cannot fulfil wickedness , nor the will of man , but are of the seed which cannot please man , nor bow to the devil ; ye suffer for christ , and for righteousness sake ; who cannot walk contrary to the light of christ within you , but rather chooses to suffer under corrupt men and laws , then to transgress gods righteous law written in your hearts ; you are chosen to fulfil the will of god by sufferings , and are not of the world , and therefore the world hates you . and all you that suffer imprisonment of body , or spoyling of goods , or travels , or any other thing , because you cannot pay tythes , this is the word of the lord god unto you , you suffer for righteousness sake , and for the name of christ , and unjustly , by the oppression of men for well-doing , & not for evil ; & the lord will be your exceeding great reward ; look beyond your outward liberty , and know the liberty in spirit , in the father , and in the son ▪ where is everlasting peace and freedom , which none can bring into bondage ; and look beyond all outward treasure and riches , and see gods treasure , and possess it , which never waxes old , which none can spoyle you of , as witnesses for the lord , and for his truth and covenant ; you suffer , and it is for a testimony against all your enemies , and against oppression , and oppressors ; for the cry of that oppression the land groans under , and for ages hath done ; but the lord is now risen against it , for its cry reacheth to heaven against the unrighteous exactors , whose cruel hands hath heavily oppressed the just and the poor in this particular ; and herein your suffering is for a testimony against your cruel adversaries , ( whether priests or others ) and against the unjust judges and lawyers , and their whole train of oppressors ; for this end are you called to suffer , and to you it shall be made easie if you abide in the counsel of god , till vengeance overcome your adversaries ; therefore lift up your heads , and fulfil the will of your father in patience and in faithfulness , till the lord appear for you , who hearkeneth to the cry of the poor , and regardeth the unjust sufferer , and will recompence the oppressors into their bosoms , and will break every yoke , and be a terror to all the cruel hearted . and all you that suffer , who are moved by the power of the lord to bear witness against the false worships , and against the false teachers and idol-temples , of which the land is full , and who are moved to testifie against sin in rulers , priests , or people : whether your suffering be imprisonment , or beating , and stoning , or other abuses or cruelties whatsoever , which the devil hath power to lay upon you ; you suffer for righteousness sake , and for the name of christ , and for well doing , if in the wisdom of god you be guided , and the lord will be your reward and peace for ever ; lift up your head , and rejoice in him , and abide in his counsel , ye that suffer herein for him , and for his names sake ; for your suffering is for a testimony against all this generation , against the idol worships and ways , which gods soul loaths , and which he will confound ; and against the idol teachers , and false prophets and priests , who preach for hire , and make merchandise of souls , against whom gods wrath is kindled , and upon whom his indignation will be poured , and it is a testimony against the sins of rulers and people , which abounds in this generation , till the measure of it be fulfilled through persecuting of you , who warn them of the evil , and bears witness against their evil deeds , that god may be justified when he condemns them ; and he is risen against the worships , and wayes , and teachers , and people , whose abominable iniquities hath overgrown the world , and prophaneness hath gone forth from them , through nations ; rulers , and teachers and people are all out of the way , and given to vanity , to covetousnes , and idolatry ; and the breath of the lord shall consume you together ( all who doth oppress the just ▪ ) therefore friends , be patient and content under all tribulations and sufferings , and feel gods living presence near you , to overshadow you , and to be your hiding-place ; and know the life which the wickedness and cruelty of man cannot touch nor reach unto ; and dwell in the power of the lord , which moves to bear witness for him , and against all those abominations ; and that will keep you above all the afflictions which can be cast upon you , and you will be on the top of your enemies , and the seed of the serpent shall hardly bruise your heel . wo unto the idol worships , and temples , and teachers , to all the hirelings and deceivers , who feeds themselves and not the flock , which abounds in the world , and in this nation , they must down into perdition ; the lord is risen against them all , to pluck up the root , that the branches may wither ; and his arm shall watch over them to overthrow them all , and to make them desolate , that the just may be delivered . and all you that suffer anywhere imprisonment , or finings , or reproaches , or any other thing , because you cannot swear for conscience sake , nor respect persons , according to the vain customs of the heathen , but are redeemed out of the customs and superstitions of men which are of the world , and are evil , and not of god , nor justified by him ; you suffer for righteousness sake , and for christs sake , and are witnesses for god herein against the superstitions , and wickedness , and pride , and high-mindedness of men ; and the lord is with you if you be ruled in his wisdom , and are faithful to him ; and he will lift up your head till his and your adversaries be confounded . and i charge you all in the presence of the lord , who suffers for righteousness sake in these things or in any other , who are moved of the lord to bear witness of the truth , and against the deceits of the world , be not exalted in the flesh in your sufferings least you forget god : nor be not cast down into sorrow , least ye be overcome of the devil ; but dwell in the measure of the power and life of god , which is above all , and more then all , and feel gods living arm to stay your hearts to watch to his own in you , to refresh you continually . and resist the devil on every hand with the armour of light and truth , that your life may be preserved in dominion over all things ; even the life which is not of this world in you , may not be vailed nor overcome , for to enjoy the life of god with you is enough , if you pass through the fire and through the water , it keeps you , and carries you above all , [ this i witness ] and it is more then all outward freedom , or liberty , or riches and treasure of this world ; and walk herein in boldness , and faithfulness , and patience , as you have us for an example in christ jesus , who are in jeopardy every hour , often in trials , and sufferings , and dangers , and loves not our lives unto death for the testimony of jesus which we hold , and that his name and truth may be exalted in the earth ; but as the lord moves are carryed through nations , among lyons and devourers , such as seeks our life for their prey , and yet the lord is with us , our defence , and arm , and preserver above all . therefore look you at the lord in all afflictions and distress , and know his reward with you , that your burden and yoke may be easie , and not hard ; for his presence makes all things joyful ; and know , that it is for the name of the lord , and for his honor , and for his kingdom which god will set up through suff●ring ; for this cause are ye called to suffer , and your life , nor liberty , nor any other thing is not to be measured nor compared herewith . so unto every one of you i am moved to write , and to warn you all 〈◊〉 the fear of god , be content , and long suffering , and patient , and finish your testimony with rejoycing , if ye seal it with your blood , and dwell with the lord in his holy habitation of peace , out of respect to time or places , or things , and give up your selves , that his will in you may be fulfilled . and think it not strange though you have fiery tryals ; neither be moved at any suffering without you , or troubled in spirit ; neither let it break your peace nor fellowship with god by any impatiency or murmurings , or temptations , for then will your sufferings be grievous to you , and the enemy within and without will have ground against you to overthrow you , and know , it is that which ever was in all ages , and no new thing the seed of god suffered by the seed of evil doers ; and the wicked alwayes strengthned their hands in cruelty against the righteous , and laid heavy burdens upon the just , and caused the innocent to groan under them for a time , till iniquity was fulfilled , that they might be broken , and the oppressed delivered , and alwayes the lord exalted his name by the suffering of his people , as we have a cloud of witnesses of our forefathers that went before , who did bear witnesse to the name of the lord through faithful suffering ; so it is no strange thing hath happened unto you , but that which is common to all the saints , who enters the kingdom through tribulation ; blessed are you if you be faithful unto the end , that you may leap the reward of your works of your sufferings and patience ; even the crown of life that never fades away ; so the lord god of life preserve you . and all friends every where , i am moved to warn you , dwell in love , and unity , and fellowship one with another in the light , and in the spirit of the father , and fulfil the law of christ , and bear one anothers burden , and suffer with one another , that none be oppressed among you in any thing whilest others are free ; but that the burden of all things , and the care of all things in relation to the truth , be equal among you according to every ones freedom , and as every one is moved of the lord , so to administer to one anothers necessities , as members of of one body , to the honouring of the head ; and spreading of the truth , that there be no complaining , but equality and justness , and the government of christ ruling among you , and his wisdom in all things ; feed no excess , nor the lustful devouring mind in any ; neither suffer the distressed to perish for want , but reach one to another in love and like mindedness , suffering for one another , and all caring for the truth above all things , that god may dwell among you , and be known that he is in you of a truth . and in this the wisdom of god guide you all , amen . this is diligently to be sent among friends to be read among them , and to be sent from one to another as they are moved ; by a companion in tribulation to all the saints every where , edward burrough . the end . a message proclaimed. by divine authority from the chosen assembly of the redeemed people in england, to the pope (chief bishop) of rome, and to his cardinals, jesuits, and priests, and all other the officers of the romish church, where it shall meet with them through the world: that they may appear, and come forth to triall, and shew if they have the same faith, power, spirit, and authoritie, and government, as had the apostles and true churches, before the apostacie: and this is a full invitation and challenge to the whole church of rome, and the beginning of controversie with her, for the perfect manifestation of the long hidden truth; betwixt them that are in the truth it self, and such as have the form, but not the power; that all things may be brought to light and true judgement. written by an embassador for the true and living god, e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30534 of text r203576 in the english short title catalog (wing b6013a). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 47 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 13 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30534 wing b6013a estc r203576 99825265 99825265 29643 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30534) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 29643) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 1791:14) a message proclaimed. by divine authority from the chosen assembly of the redeemed people in england, to the pope (chief bishop) of rome, and to his cardinals, jesuits, and priests, and all other the officers of the romish church, where it shall meet with them through the world: that they may appear, and come forth to triall, and shew if they have the same faith, power, spirit, and authoritie, and government, as had the apostles and true churches, before the apostacie: and this is a full invitation and challenge to the whole church of rome, and the beginning of controversie with her, for the perfect manifestation of the long hidden truth; betwixt them that are in the truth it self, and such as have the form, but not the power; that all things may be brought to light and true judgement. written by an embassador for the true and living god, e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 24 p. printed for thomas simmons at the bull and mouth neer aldersgate, london : [1658] signed and dated at end: edward burrough. .. the four and twentieth day of the eighth moneth, 1658. reproduction of the original in the british library. eng catholic church -controversial literature -early works to 1800. society of friends -doctrines -early works to 1800. a30534 r203576 (wing b6013a). civilwar no a message proclaimed. by divine authority, from the chosen assembly of the redeemed people in england, to the pope (chief bishop) of rome, a burrough, edward 1658 9760 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 b the rate of 1 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the b category of texts with fewer than 10 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-01 aptara keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-04 olivia bottum sampled and proofread 2004-04 olivia bottum text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-07 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a message proclaimed . by divine authority , from the chosen assembly of the redeemed people in england , to the pope ( chief bishop ) of rome , and to his cardinals , jesuits , and priests , and all other the officers of the romish church , where it shall meet with them through the world : that they may appear , and come forth to triall , and shew if they have the same faith , power , spirit , and authoritie , and government , as had the apostles and true churches , before the apostacie : and this is a full invitation and challenge to the whole church of rome , and the beginning of controversie with her , for the perfect manifestation of the long hidden truth ; betwixt them that are in the truth it self , and such as have the form , but not the power ; that all things may be brought to light and true judgement . written by an embassador for the true and living god , e. b. london , printed for thomas simmons at the bull and mouth neer aldersgate . this to be delivered to the chief bishop of rome , or to his secretary . from the elect and gathered assembly of the chosen people in the nation of england , called in derision , and known amongst all false sects by the name of quakers ; and by a servant of the great god of heaven and earth , and a member of that people , this is written . to the pope ( chief bishop ) and his cardidals at rome , and to his bishops , iesuits , and priests there , and else-where , thorough the dominions of the romish church , scattered abread in the nations . whereas we a poor , despised , and rejected people , among the nations of the earth , yet dreadful and mightie , because the majestie and presence of the lord god is with us , who hath called us , and chosen us , and gathered us , and redeemed us from among men , out of kindreds , and multitudes , and peoples , into one body , and one spirit , out of all the sects upon the earth ; and we are of one mind , and one soul , having fellowship with the son , and with the father , being come through great tribulations , and many fierie trials , and are refined , and purified , and made clean and white in the bloud of the lamb , being fully recovered out of the great deluge of darknesse , and apostacie , which hath overflown and drowned the whole world , and all nations , since the daies of the true churches , and holy apostles : and know ye , that we are none of all the many sects , nor of the divers waies , and formal worshippers , that are but in the imitations fained , of what the saints of old spoke and performed , in the power and spirit of god , which hath been spoken and practised by all the divers sects and false churches , without the spirit , power , and life , that was in the apostles ; so that all religion hath been , and the profession and practise thereof , for many ages , but as the floating of a broken vessel upon the waters , driven with the several winds , wanting anchor , and skilful mariners , which hath not carried to perfect rest , the hope of eternal life : but know ye , that now at last , through our long and wearied travels , and after all our tedious seekings , and our zealous practises and profession in christianitie performed by us , while darkness covered us , and the earth ; hath the lord set us safe upon the rock christ jesus , upon whom the church of christ firmly standeth , and the gates of hell cannot prevail against ; and he hath made our habitation sure upon the mountain of his house , which is established upon the top of all mountains , whereunto we now are gathered , and rest in a certain hope and tried confidence , and doth view the whole world , and the state of all mankind , and measureth the times and seasons thoroughout generations ; and the state of the church we perfectly know , by the inspiration of the almightie , her estate before the apostles daies , and in the apostles daies , and since the apostles daies , and her increase , and decrease , and estate , since the beginning of the world till now , and at this present time , to us is certainlie known , by the spirit of jesus , and the light of the lamb , which now is risen upon our mountain , and shines in our habitations : and first we certifie you , as for the many false sects and churches ( so called ) and many of the divers worshippers , and separated forms of churches , risen up since the apostles daies , from the least of them to the greatest , we have searched and examined , and are not fully satisfied ( but rather the contrarie ) that they are perfectly sound in the faith , but rather degenerated , from the power , spirit , and life that was in the apostles , and among the true churches before the apostacie ; and we have sought out their first original and root , and we find they fall short of the true church and the apostles ; first in respect of time , many generations ; and also in respect of life , and power , and puritie , and they want the spirit , and dominion , and government , that the true churches and apostles possessed ; and we certainly believe , they are many of them come up , and risen in a dark night , long since the daies of the apostles , while the sun was yet unrisen , and while the mountains of ignorance , blindnesse , and wickedness covered the face of the earth , and the clouds of darknesse remained upon the face of the whole heavens : and while yet the man-child remains in god , being caught up to him , and the woman lodged in the desolate wildernesse , being thither fled because of the great red dragon : and we believe not , that any of them are the lambs wife , lawfully joyned to him , neither are they the virgin , in which there is no spot ; nor the spouse , truly in election to christ the bridegroom ; for we have had controversie with them this divers years , and weighed them , and measured them in the ballance of equitie , and they appear to us , not to be of a true descent from that vine , into which the true church was planted ; but their original may be of a latter race : and to say no more of them , we certainly know they are foully spotted , and hath not the favour , nor parts , nor garments of a virgin ; and christ the bridegroom they have deeply wronged , for many false sects have risen out of the great whore , the mother of harlots , who hath been in open and secret fornication , every since the daies of the apostles , and such are her off-spring , and not of the true seed , elect , which is heir by right , of the inheritance of life eternal , the kingdom which hath no end . and for as much as the church of rome hath openly pleaded , as we have heard , and some of your members also to our faces , that she is indeed the true church , and she alone , and none besides , and that you can fetch your original by line truly from the apostles , and church of the saints , and are not degenerated in any particular of faith , doctrine , nor practise , from the life , and power , and government , and spirit which was among the true church , and in the apostles : these things , with others the like , have we heard of you , and concerning you , by many : and now , because the lord hath put it into our hearts , to have controversie with you , and to seek out perfectly your original , and to justifie you , or condemn you accordingly ; and having the certain infallible spirit of the lord god to try all things , we are purposed in the lord to visit you , and to examine to the foundation your rise ; and first beginning from whence you come by descent , and what you truly are in your present estate , and whether you be indeed the true church , and have the true spirit , or whether you are otherwise , that all the world may be satisfied , and more perfectly know the full truth concerning the church of rome ; and your seed and root we will examine , and your birth and original we will search out , and your faith , and worship , and whole religion we will lay to the line of true judgement , to justifie you , or condemn you eternally ; for the saints shall judge the world , and your garments shall be stripped off , and your secrets discovered , and your whole body and members made fully manifest , that the very truth of all things may appear , and be imbraced , and the whoredomes of all the earth may be laid open , that the just and the innocent , that hath long laid groaning in great captivity , may be delivered from under all bonds of oppressions , whoredoms , and iniquities ; and this will the eternal god by us speedily bring to passse amongst you . wherefore thou pope , greatly admired , and highly exalted , and to all thy cardinals , friers , jesuits , and priests , and all other officers under thee , i am moved of the lord god of heaven and earth , ( who is the only holiness , and highest of all ) by this message to visit you , requiring you , and charging you , in the name and authoritie of the dreadful and mightie god , before whom all men and nations are as nothing in comparison , but may be turned at his pleasure , & dashed to pieces by his mightie hand , and unto whom all the sons of adam in all the world , must render an account ; & as you will answer it to him in his dreadful day of judgement & vengeance , and as you love and will obey your god and christ , whom you professe and serve ; and as you would honour your god , and bring people to your way , and worship , and religion , upon these ingagements , and by the authoritie of the almightie , i lay it upon you to answer , and to return your knowledge and opinions to the particulars following , which i am moved to querie and demand of you , that your doctrines , practises , and worships , and whole religion , in every part thereof , may be veiwed , and examined , and measured , according to the saints and apostles writings , and may thereby be cleared , or otherwise reproved and condemned : and if your profession and practises in religion be sprung from the true grounds , and true spirit and your church be indeed the true church , that can prove her pedigree truly descended from the church of christ , before the apostacie , and clear her felf from all degeneration in every degree , and that she is perfect in the faith , and worship , and practises of the holy church and apostles of old ; then shall all that love god , and fear him , and hopes for life eternal , separate themselves from all sects , and apostates , separated from you , and come in , and return again to you , as to a faithful mother , and joyn with you in all things ; and adde themselves to your church only , and renounce and denie all the contrarie , that is not of you ; and so shall your names and honour be increased through all the earth . but and if after lawful trial , and just examination , and searching out the matter , it be proved against you , that our are degenerated from what the true church and apostles were , and are not builded upon christ the true rock and foundation , but diverted from the power , life , and spirit , and true religion which the apostles were in ; and that your church is not the true church , but a false sect , and your original cannot be fetch'd from the apostles , but is of a latter and more corrupted race ; then shall you denie all your religion , and church , and renounce your profession and practises , and come to them , and joyn with them , that can prove their church to be the true church , and can fetch their original from the spirit of the apostles , and that is builded upon christ the everlasting foundation ( whoever this shall be proved to be ) wherefore appear and come forth to trial , upon this condition , joyn issue with us , and answer these things in plainnesse , and let us know your judgements , that a return you may receive . first , whether you are indeed the only true church of christ , his body , of his flesh , and of his bones , called , and gathered , and united by the eternal spirit of jesus , perfect in the faith of christ , perfect in doctrine , and perfect in worship , as were the churches of christ in the daies of the apostles ? and whether the eternal spirit dwell in every particular member of your church , and do lead each one of you into all truth , insomuch that you need now no man to teach any one of you , but as that same spirit that dwels in you ? answer me plainly , yea , or nay . 2. whether are you not in any particular of your faith , doctrines , practises , and worships , in any degree degenerated , nor deviated from what the faith , doctrine , practise & worship were that the true church were in in the daies of the apostles ? and whether will you admit of trial in all things you profess and practise , by the scriptures , the writings of the saints , yea , or nay ? 3. whether your church of rome do receive the pouring down of the spirit upon sons and daughters immediately , and every member receive the holy ghost , and is filled therewith , and baptized therewith , as in the true church ? acts 2. and whether you have received the holy ghost , and everlasting comforter immediately , as did the true church in the daies of the apostles ? answer me these things in the truth of your hearts , that you may be owned or denied . 4. whether the faith you profess have perfectly purified your hearts from all sin , and hath given you victorie over the world , that now the body of sin is put off , and you are free from sin , and doth not commit sin ? but are every member of you without spot , and wrinkle , and cleansed from all unrighteousness , being the servants of righteousness , and not of sin ? and whether you believe this condition to be attainable in this life upon earth , and to be injoyed and waited for , yea or nay ? 5. what is your ground of sprinkling infants with water , and whether he that first instituted it had the gift of the eternal spirit , and was led thereby ? for we know it was first ordained at rome in your church , and all the protestants received it from you , who are not able to give us a sufficient reason thereof ; but we are not satisfied therein , therefore tell us , whether are people thereby made members of the bodie of christ , and baptized into his true church ? and is it a perfect seal and sign of the new birth , and regeneration , as is professed ? and doth that give all children that are sprinkled a right to the kingdom of god , and to be members of the church of christ ? and satisfie us plainly , is the sprinkling of an infant ( never having heard of gospel , but while unconverted and unchanged in nature ) the true baptism into the true faith of christ , as it is professed ? answer me plainly , yea or nay . 6. whether the bodie and bloud of christ , that is meat indeed , and drink indeed , be carnal and visible things , to be seen , felt , and known visiblie and carnallie ? and whether bread and wine , ( that is mortall , and will corrupt , ) be the very body and the very bloud of christ jesus ? and whether christ hath any other bodie and bloud , to be known in any other way or manner then what is professed to be visiblie and carnallie known by you ? and is that bread after consecration the verie expresse image of the father , and was with the father before the world began ? else it is not the bodie of christ , answer me plainlie . 7. again , we are not satisfied concerning your burning , and torturing , and imprisoning , in cruel iquisitions , and goals , such as dissenteth from you , and cannot believe in your church , which ye call hereticks ; whether is not this done by your church , or any member thereof ? and do you justifie the doing of it by the authoritie of your church ? and we demand of you to give us example for such practises in scripture , ever practised by the apostles or true church , or any member thereof , to burn , or kill , or imprison such as would not own them , and were hereticks ? otherwise we must condemn it , and judge you eternally for it ; and whether such practises done at rome and in her dominions , be not murder , and crueltie , and tyrannie , and shedding of innocent bloud , and of the devil the wicked one ? answer me plainly , and satisfie us herein , that we may know how to deal with you in controversie . 8. again , we are not satisfied concerning the abundance of images of the saints , set up , and bowed to among you , and your praying before them , and to the saints , and by beads , and in set forms , such things you practise ; and also your keeping and setting apart the saints daies , and your holy daies , and eating with respect to daies , denying of flesh such and such daies , and observing of daies , and meats , and drinks , and fasting in your own wils , and your nunneries , and keeping men and women one from another in secret houses ; whether are these things commanded and required of the lord from you ? and we charge you to give us some example , that ever the true church practised such things ? otherwise if you do not , nor cannot prove these your practises from the scriptures , and example of the apostles before you , we must deny you , and condemn your practises for ever , and cannot believe , that your church is the true church , nor you lawful successors of the holy apostles . 9. what you believe concerning the reign and government of christ and his coming ? is he , his reign and government visible , and of this world , or invisible , and from heaven ? and whether liars , whoremongers , adulterers , drunkards , man-slayers , and contentious men , or any that lives in any sin or transgression , in the first nature , be of the kingdome and government of jesus , or hath any part or portion therein in time to come for ever ? and how may such ever have part therein , and give us your knowledge in these things ; and also what you hold and profess concerning election and reprobation , that we may know whether your knowledge and faith be sound and perfect in these things , and to be imbraced , or condemned and denied . 10. what is the man-child that hath been caught up to god ? and what is the reason of his being caught up ? and what is the woman that fled into the wildernesse ? and what is the cause of her so flying ? and when is the the time ( is it come , or to come , that the man-child hath been caught up , & the woman fled , & that the man-child shall come down again , & the woman again return ? and what is that beast the first and the second , and is his kingdom come , or yet to come , who reigned over the kings of the earth , and caused all both small and great to worship him , and killed the saints , and overcome them , that would not worship him , and made war against the lamb , and persecuted the womans seed ? and when is it that the world wondered after the beast , is it come , or to come ? answer these things in plainness , we demand of you . 11. what and who is that great whore that sits upon many waters , with whom the kings of the earth commits fornications , and who hath made nations drunk with the wine of her fornications , and who hath reigned over the kings and dominions of the earth ? and is that whore come , or yet to come ? and whether is your church every whit free from the fornications of that whore ? and will you admit of lawful trial by your fruits and works , and suffer judgement accordinglie ? and whether the whole church of rome , or any part of her dominions , be the multitudes , peoples , and nations , and tongues , the waters , or which the whore sits ? and whether your church be whollie free from that woman , which have drunk the bloud of saints , and of the martyrs of jesus ? and shew us plainlie who that whore is , if you can , and what is her flesh , and the fire that must burn it ? 12. whether are the false prophets and deceivers come , or to come , which christ said should come ? if you say , they are come , when did they come ? and who are they ? and how may they be known ? and what was their first original ? and out of what doth all false prophets and false prophecies come ? is the church of rome clear of all the false prophets ? and whether is your ministrie in the verie same power , spirit , and authoritie which the apostles were in ? is its call and ordination the verie same ? is its maintenance and practice the verie same ? and its fruits , effects , and end the verie same , or some other ? let us know from you , that we may lay you to the line of true judgement , for all people and nations to behold . and come friends , let us reason a little with you further ; we are not satisfied , that the bishop of rome is true and lawful successor of the apostle peter ; had peter a triple crown , and did kings bow and kneel to him ? and had peter such large revenues and money out of the nations as the pope hath ? did peter sell pardons for money , or did any buy religion of him ? and did peter at all rule over mens consciences ? and was peter named holinesse ? we demand of you to prove rightlie and trulie , that the pope doth succeed peter in the same spirit , in the same power , and in the same conversation : and that his call to oversee the church be justlie the same as peters was , and that he execute it perfectlie as peter did : also answer us plainlie , what is the seed of the woman , and what is the head of the serpent ? and is his head bruised yea or nay ? and what is the devil , and what is his beginning , and what is the kingdom that he is ruler of ? and how is his kingdom to be destroyed ? and what is the flesh of christ , and his bloud , which was before abraham ? and how is christ made under the law ? answer me these things : and what is the death that hath reigned over all ? and what is the power thereof and what is the fruits of that death ? and when must that death be destroyed ? and is it destroyed among you ? and what was man in his creation of the dust of the ground ? and what was he that was the verie image of god male and female , before adam was formed of the dust of the ground , or eve taken out of him ? declare these things plainlie if you can and what is the first transgression & the curse ? & whether any can be made free from the curse upon the earth , yea or nay ? and what is the kingdom of heaven that is like a little leaven , and that is like a net cast into the sea ? and what is that which must be leavened ? and what is that good fish that must be gathered into vessels , & that bad that must be cast away ? & how doth the kingdom of heaven bring the bad out of the waters to the shore ? and why is it , and wherefore , and what is the reason , that none can enter the kingdom of god , nor see it , but such as are born again ? and how is a man born again ? and what is that mothers womb , that iob & all mankind came out of naked , and that must return thither again naked ? and what are the the fig-leaves that hath covered in transgression ? and what is the covering of the spirit ? and what must be covered , and what not ? and why is it , and how comes it to passe , that one and the same thing is sin , & wickedness acted by one and the same thing , good and just acted by another ? these things answer to us plainlie , & also prove all your practises and profession by plain scripture , and give us example from peter and the true churches , that he and they practised the same things which the pope and you do , if you would have any to own you , otherwise if you do not , or cannot satisfie all people in these particulars by the scriptures , then forsake your religion , and renounce your church , and confess your selves to be deceivers of the world , and to be deceived , for god will tear your garments , and marre your beautie , and stain your crowns , and uncover your nakedness , and subdue your power , and slay your strength , and pull down your strong holds , and the dread of the almightie will come over you . and come friends , answer me , is the light by which you walk everlasting ? and is the day dawned , and the sun risen , that never goeth down ? and have you seen the signs of the coming of the son of man and what are the signs of his coming ? and what is that sun that must be turned into darkness ? and what is that moon that must be turned into bloud ? and what are the keepers of the house that must tremble ; and do you own quaking and trembling at the word of the lord ? and did you ever quake and tremble , or is there such a thing in your church ? and what is that part in man that must tremble ? is it not that part in man that the devil enters into ? answer these things : and what is that mother of harlots ? and where is she that hath been drunk with the bloud of the saints ? and what is the mysterie of her , declare it if you can ? and what is her garments ? and who are her children ? and of what nature are they ? and how may they be known ? and come friends answer us , have you seen god face to face , as did iacob and abraham ? and have you seen his shape perfectlie ? give us a description of him if you have : and doth not all those that be of the seed of abraham hear gods voice , and see his shape ? and are any of abraham , but who are come out of the world , and have denied it , and bares the daily crosse of christ , which mortifies to the world ? and doth your wooden crosses , and stone crosses , in your towns , & high-waies , & in your houses , & crucifixes in your breasts , crucifie you to the world , and mortifie you ? or are you not such as have the form of a crosse of christ , but wants the power ? and what is the difference between all your images and the images the prophets declared against ? and what life is there in the image of christ or mary , painted or graven in wood or stone ? are your soules refreshed thereby ? and is not that all the unitie you have with christ ? and is that unitie and fellowship you have with christ , the same that they had ; that had unitie and fellowship with the father , and with the son ? and have you unitie with the son , and with the father , as the true church had ? tell us plainlie ; and what is antichrist ? and where is his reigning at this day ? and what is his marks and signs ? and what is the marks of the beast , that every one received in their foreheads , and in their hands ? and what is his power , by which he causeth every one to worship him ? and is the church of rome whollie free from that , from causing and compelling people to be of your religion , and come to your worship by your fire and faggots , and inquisitions ? make it us plain that this is not the beasts power , for we have a jealousie , at least , it is not the power of god , that was among the apostles ; and why do you kill creatures ? did christ or the apostles kill creatures that were not of their religion ? doth not this shew that you want the power and spirit of god among you , and the spiritual weapon that beats down the strong holds ? we cannot believe that you have the spiritual weapons , which the apostles had , except you make it appear to us ; and can any be converted to the true church , but by the immediate work and spirit of god ? and they that have that , need not be ashamed ; but then why are some of your ministers creeping up and down the nations in holes , and dare not be seen , but lies many years together undiscovered , not daring to preach their gospel , and discover their minds ? did ever the apostles thus ? and is not this a sign that they have not the power of god to carry them through , but runs into holes and corners for fear of their lives ? is this the way of the true ministers of christ ? and what is the lambs wife ? and what is her adorning , and her beautie ? and are you the lambs wife , and are married to him for ever ? hath every member of your church the witness thereof ? and answer us , doth natural learning make a minister of christ , or was the apostles made ministers thereby ? and can a man learn the ministrie naturally , as he learns a trade ? and is the preaching of the gospel a trade ? or is it not the gift of god ? and can it be bought and sold ? and what is eternal life ? and how is it received ? and hath any that hope but them whose hearts are purified ? and must not everie ones heart be purified before they see god , who is pure ? and how comes man to be a reprobate ? and how comes man to be a son of god again ? and what is the way and meanes of life eternal ? is it carnal and visible things , and ordinances ? is it the doing and performing of something by the creature , or by the revelation of something in the creature ? and must not christ be revealed in every particular ? and is not that the true bread of life ? and is there any other bread that is eternal , but christ , which the mortal eye cannot see ? and we are very doubtful , that bread and wine after consecration , is not the very bodie and bloud of christ ; and except you can prove to us by plain scripture , and give us sound reasons to demonstrate things , we must judge you , and shew your folly to the whole world : and why do you pray for the dead , is that available ? shall not they receive according to their works that they have done ? give us example , that ever the apostles did so , or else we will say , you are blind and in the dark : and tell us plainly , what error is , and what schism is ? and what is the eye that the god of the world hath blinded ? and what is the eye that sees god , is it mortal or eternal ? answer us these things in plainnesse , that we may know how to return in controversie with you , for the lord god is risen , that will break in pieces and confound all the world . and come friends , give us your answer , are you of abrahams seed , that was the friend of god , that had not a foot of ground , but forsook his place and kindred ? are you of that birth that hath no father upon earth ? and are you heirs of gods promise ? and have you made your calling and election sure ? and is the seed come out of egypts bonds ? and is all egypts bonds broken yet ? and what is the bondage of egypt ? and was not transgression the reason of it ? and what is pharaoh , out of what root did he spring , and whose seed is he ? and is not the hard heart of pharaoh killers and murderers ? are not such of pharaoh ? and tell us plainly , are you redeemed from pharaoh ? or you are such as oppresseth the seed as pharaoh did ? and tell us , who was the inventer of all your images , and who was the former of all your graven images ? are not they all invented and come up since the apostles daies , which ye have set up ? and what is purgatorie ? and from what had it its rise and original ? and what ground have you out of scripture for such a doctrine ? and what is the rule of faith ? and what is faith ? and what doth it give victorie over ? and what doth it overcome ? and what is the vail that hath been spread over all nations ? and what is the mountain of the house of god ? and what are those mountains the wicked shall seek to cover themselves under ? and what are those mountains that people expect salvation from in vain ? and did not iohn come to throw down the mountains ? and what are the mountains that he came to throw down ? and what is the valley he came to raise up ? answer us , and what is the sword of the spirit ? and whether have ye the sword of the spirit , and the spiritual armor ? and what , is your church defended and upheld by spiritual weapons , or carnal ? is not your goals carnal weapons , and your inquisitions , and your killing people about religion , are not all these carnal weapons ? and had ever the church of christ such weapons ? answer me plainlie ; and do you not expect the lord will suddenlie plead with you ? and are not ye them that put off the day of the lord , and causeth the seat of violence to come neer ? and are not ye them that have eyes but see not , ears and hear not , hearts and understand not ? and is not your eye blind , that should see gods presence , and your ears stopped that should hear his voyce ? and have you heard his voice , and seen his shape ? if you have , what is he like ? answer us ; and what is his word , and where doth it dwell in your hearts , or is it without you ? and can any thing without you purifie you , and take away sin out of your hearts ? and must not christ be within ? and what is the fruits , and signs , and marks of a saint ? and why do you go pilgrims to visit dead bones , what is the reason of it , and who was the first that instituted it ? and what is the meaning of your holy water ? give us scripture for all these practises , or else the power of the lord will tear you to pieces , and lay open your foundation , and none that love god can joyn unto you ; and can any of you pardon sin trulie , that it shall never more be remembred ? and is not your sins remembred with the light in your consciences some time ? and is there not a light in your consciences that doth convince you ? tell me plainlie ; and whether do you own that christ hath lightened everie one that comes into the world ? and what is the light ? and do you know christ as he was before abraham ? and have you seen his day as abraham did ? and what is the day of christ , doth the carnal eye see it ? give us your knowledge and your judgement in all these things , and lay down your principles at full , and prove by the scriptures what you hold and profess , if you would have any to turn to your religion , otherwise renounce your church , and come out of babylon : what is babylon , and the mother of harlots ? and what is spiritual egypt and sodom where christ is crucified ? and what is the whore ? and what is her flesh , that hath stained the earth ? and what is the fire that must consume her flesh ? manie are jealous concerning you , that you are not the true church , but that you have drunken of the whores cup , who hath made all nations drunk : and if that time be come , that she have made all nations drunk , then how can you clear your selves , being nations and multitudes of people ? to all these things i expect your speedie answer : and what is the death that hath raigned over all ? and how is man recovered out of it , and when ? and what is the gates of hell ? and what is the rock that they cannot prevail against ? and whether your church may never be prevailed against ? and whether it be not your inquisitions , stakes , and faggots , and killing people , that doth principally defend your church ? and if you should cease your inquisitions , and killing those you call heriticks , whether would not you be prevailed against by many other sects ? lay away your persecution of people that you call heriticks , and do not deal with them after the manner which you have done , by inquisitions and such like , and onlie by sound arguments , and the power of the spirit , defend your religion . and dare you suffer a certain number of us to come among you and preach what we hold , and a certain number of you shall freelie come among us , and freelie preach what you hold , without persecution or anie violence , as we would expect and have the same from you , engage man for man with us , and do no otherwise deal with ours , then we deal with yours ; and take the free libertie to deal with our men as we deal with your men , but no otherwise , and let each of the messengers preach and hold forth what they would have , and what they reallie hold and believe , and convert the most either of them can to their own religion , and then let all the world see which hath the power and spirit of god with them , and whether your ministers or our ministers do turn the more people from you to us , or from us to you ; and send your answer , whether you will agree to the premises : and if you do , send your messengers when you please , and we will engage in the lord , their persons shall not be harmed ; but if they were , then take man for man , life for life , of our men sent to you , and let that god be the true god , that appears in most power and authoritie ; and let him be worshipped for ever , whose power converts the most to the knowledge of him out of wickedness , and let that church be the true church , which cannot be overcome ; and as you are willing to be made manifest , join issue with us in this business , and propound your own time when the men shall return , whether the continuance of the matter be for daies , months , or years , and let each of the men return without harm of person ; and this will be a way trulie to trie and make manifest all things , to all the world , and whether you or we be in the right way , & of the right church ; & use you no weapon against us , but the soundest arguments you can , by words according to the scriptures , and the same weapons we will use against you , and no other , but the authoritie of the spirit of god , and arguments thereby , which shall be according to the scriptures , the apostles writings , and the testimonie of the true church ; and hereby in the sight of the whole world , let your church , and faith , and principles , and practises , and worships be tried , and our church , faith , doctrines , and worships , and practises , and whether it be yours or ours that do overcome , or are overcome , let that deside the controversie ; and whether it be you or we that are soonest overcome , and that prevail the one against the other in this trial , and in these proceedings ; and that which is overcome and prevailed against , is not the true church , against which nothing can prevail , no not the gates of hell ; and whether your church or ours cannot be prevailed against by the other , let that be the true church , for that which is prevailed against is not the true church , and whether it be your or we that are elected , and of the election , which cannot be deceived ; if we be not elected , and you deceivers , then it is possible you may deceive us , but if we prove that we be in the election , then you cannot deceive us ; and if we be in the truth , and of the true church , then it will be happiness for you to be converted and turned to us ; come to the trial as soon as you will , and if you be in the election you need not be afraid to be deceived by any , for the elect cannot be deceived , whoever that be , whether your church or our church be the true church , and in the election ; and if your ministers among us do preach the same things , and by the same spirit , and hold forth the verie same faith , principles , worship , and practises , which we do , and are of , and it be proved they are of the same spirit and principles we are of , agreeing in all things , then we will own them to be christs ministers ; and if our ministers among you do hold forth that true faith , and principles , and practises , and worship , and by the same spirit as christ and his apostles did , and prove what they say by the scriptures , then shall you receive them as the ministers of christ , and renounce all that you hold and profess , contrarie to what they hold and preach among you , and hereby things may come to a fair triall , and the naked truth may be made manifest , whether your church or our church be the true church of christ , trulie descended from the church of the saints of old , and whether your ministers or our ministers , be the lawful successors of the apostles ; and we would willinglie come to deal with you upon these termes , that it may be manifest who it is that are of the true seed , and who it is that are of the election that cannot be deceived ; and we have manie more things to write unto you , and to querie of you , and to demand , when we receive your answer , and if you give us ground to accuse you in your return , we will thresh you , and lay it to your charge , by the authoritie and spirit of the lord , and if you answer us plainlie , we shall more perfectlie know what to do . to the pope . thou mountain , hear the word of the lord god ; thus saith the lord god unto thee , i will lay thee low , i will break thee down , i will stain the glorie of all flesh , my sword shall enter into the heart of my enemies , i will slay the wicked , and i will crush the head of the ungodlie , and i will grind the hard hearts unto pieces , i will come in a day unexpected , i am at the door , behold me , and i will take vengeance without pitie upon all my enemies , my hand shall not spare , my eye shall not pitie , but i will tear and rend , and give unto thee , and unto all mankind , the fruit of your own doings : innocent bloud cries unto me , that hath been unjustlie shed , and the righteous soul groans under the altar unto me , and now i am risen , and i am begun to work in the earth , and i will goe through nations , and tread them down , under my power ; i have raised a seed which shall thresh the mountains , and my word is gone forth out of my mouth , which shall beat them to dust ; and my power shall knock at thy gates , and break down thy strength , and it shall prevail against thee : oh thou mountain , whose seat is high , and whose power is great , and who hath been able to make war with thee ? thou hast swallowed up the poor and needie , and thou hast eaten up the innocent as the exe eateth up grasse , thou hast continued for ages , and thou accounts thy self the most ancient , and thou hath been without fear of any man , and thou hast not regarded the honour of my name , but exalted thy self altogether : but now , saith the lord , the dread of the almightie shall come upon thee , and the majestie of the lord of hosts shall appear terrible unto thee , and thou shalt know there is a god that can do whatsoever he will , and he will wound the mightie men , and none shall heal them ; and he will vex all his enemies in his displeasure , and he will break them , and none shall bind them up ; thy glorie , and the glorie of the whole earth , is as grass before the mower , and as the flower of the field that is soon withered ; and thy treasure , and the treasure of all nations , is of no respect unto him , and strength of the whole earth is weakness before him , and the crowns of princes he accounteth as the dust , he treads over it all , and his everlasting arme reacheth beyond it all , and he is awakened , that will strike thorough kingdoms , and that will stain the glorie of the whole earth ; and thou must know his power , and the cup of his wrath is full , of which all nations shall drink , and none shall escape it ; prepare thy self , for the anger of the lord is gone forth , & the almightie is greived because of the abominations of the earth , and he will cast into the fire , and purge , and purifie , and new mold , and correct , rulers , kings , and peoples , for he hath long been greived , and born the miquitie of the nations , but his long suffering is well-nigh finished , for the nations have provoked him to anger , and turned his long-suffering into furie , and he hath put on the garment of vengeance , and the time is at hand , that sorrow shall take hold upon the stout-hearted , when he appears , who hath been pierced ; and anguish and pain shall come upon thee , and the world , and the day of trouble , and great distress , ye shall not escape : the rod of his wrath shall smite you , the mouth of the lord hath spoken it : and although thou art exalted as a god , yet thou shalt be a man and not a god in his hand , that shall slay thee , and although thy seat hath been high ▪ yet it shall be laid low as the ground , and thy honour shall be laid in the dust , for thou art dust and ashes before the lord , and thou shalt be no more admired , when destruction shall come upon thee ; the lord hath viewed thy way and path , and they have not been upright before him ; he hath entred into the secrets of thine heart , and thine intent hath not been hid from him , and that which hath been done in secret shall now be laid open , and all secret things shall now be brought to light , and all the churches shall know that he searches the heart , and trieth the reines , who is a god great and mightie , and giveth unto all creatures life and breath , and he will change at his pleasure all the children of men , and bring them to an account before his judgement-seat ; wherefore let all flesh tremble before him , and let all the earth bow before his presence , who changeth , and subdueth , and over-turneth at his pleasure , and brings men to destruction , who hath rebelled against him : wherefore thou pope , chief bishop at rome , this is unto thee from the mouth of the lord ; come down , come down , lay down thy crown , subject thy self , and tremble before the lord god of vengeance , least he come upon thee and crush thee to pieces , and thou shalt know that this hath the lord spoken , in the day when the fierie flaming sword , which is alreadie drawn , enters into thy bosome , and smites thy honour and renown : behold , i have heard the voice of howling and bitter lamentation ; i have heard the voice of war and not of peace ; i have seen , i have seen , the strong become weak , and the mightie become miserable , and the proud and honorable brought into contempt ; yea , i have seen her that hath sat as a queen , that hath said , she shall never see sorrow ; i have seen the losse of children , and widdowhood come upon her , even in one day ; i have seen her beautie turned into bitterness ; i have seen her honour brought into contempt ; i have seen the whore that hath made all nations drunk with her fornications , that hath had the golden cup in her hand ; i have seen the cup of indignation prepared for her to drink ; i have seen her cast upon the bed of never ceasing torments ; i have seen the citie that was full of people , that was the glorie of kingdoms , that made all nations rich with her traffick and merchandise ; i have seen that citie laid desolate , and disinhabited , and made the sorrow of the whole earth ; and i have seen the smoak of her burning ascend for ever ; and this is , and must shortly come to passe ; and if thou hast an ear to hear thou mayest hear ; and these things are true , and faithful , and they shall not fail , but the wicked shall know the majestie , dread , and terror , the vengeance and indignation of the almightie . this is assented to by many , and written and subscribed by one that hath a name not seen nor known of the world , but known among men by name of edward burrough . return your answer to me , or any of the people called quakers , for me , in london from whence this is sent , being written the four and twentieth day of the eighth moneth , 1658. the end . a vindication of the people of god, called quakers ... being an ansvver to a book, dedicated to them, by one george pressick of dublin : in which book many lyes and calumnies are presented against the innocent people of god ... / by e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30560 of text r2304 in the english short title catalog (wing b6053). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 56 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 13 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30560 wing b6053 estc r2304 12691637 ocm 12691637 65849 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30560) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 65849) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 346:11) a vindication of the people of god, called quakers ... being an ansvver to a book, dedicated to them, by one george pressick of dublin : in which book many lyes and calumnies are presented against the innocent people of god ... / by e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 24 p. printed for robert wilson ..., london : [1660] written by edward burrough. cf. bm. date of publication from bm. reproduction of original in huntington library. eng pressick, george. -brief relation of some remarkable passages of the anabaptists in germany. society of friends -apologetic works. a30560 r2304 (wing b6053). civilwar no a vindication of the people of god, called quakers; directed unto roger boyle, called earl of orrery. charles coote, [called] earl of mountr burrough, edward 1660 10397 9 0 0 0 0 0 9 b the rate of 9 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the b category of texts with fewer than 10 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-07 jonathan blaney sampled and proofread 2004-07 jonathan blaney text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-10 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a vindication of the people of god , called quakers ; directed unto roger boyle , called earl of orrery . charles coote , called earl of mountrath . theophilus iones called sir theophilus iones . being an ansvver to a book , dedicated to them , by one george pressick of dublin . in which book many lyes and calumnies are presented against the innocent people of god . and this is for the clearing of the truth , that no lye may rest upon it ; and for the satisfaction of all sober people in ireland , and elsewhere . with a word of good advice to the chief governours there . by e. b. london , printed for robert wilson , in martins le grand . a vindication of the people of god , called quakers . there is irreconcileable enmity between the two seeds , ( to wit ) the seed of god and the seed of the serpent ; and these two are alwayes opposite and contrary one to the other , in nature , fruits and effects ; and the seed of the serpent is alwayes persecuting the seed of god , in every age and generation ; and they in whom the seed of the serpent is living and ruling , are alwayes projecting and contriving mischief and hatred against the people and servants of the lord , in whom the seed of god liveth and reigneth ; as it is written , he that is born of the flesh persecutes him that is born after the spirit : thus it hath been in all generations , and thus it is at this day : great is the opposition that is made by many in lyes and slanders , in reviling and reproaching , in imprisoning and persecuting , and in all manner of evil works and words against the innocent people of god , called quakers : how have the hands of ungodly men been lifted up to smite that people by many kinds of abuses ? and how have their tongues been set on fire , to reproach , and revile , and slander in all kind of evil-speaking ? and all this for righteousness-sake , and not for any evil-doing : for who is the man , and where is he , that can justly charge evil upon that people , either in doctrine , faith , or practice ? or in any thing relating to their religion to god-wards , or in relation to their conversations and walking towards men ? it is true , we have not wanted accusers to every authority , but such and such things have been falsly charged against us , and that to every power that hath been since we were a people , under whom we have been a suffering people , even from all that ever have sitten in the throne , since the lord raised us up to bear witness of his glorious name and truth in the world . now the present occasion of this my present work , is , forasmuch as we now stand accused of great and heinous crimes in the view of this whole kingdom of ireland ; and more particularly before you three , in a book , called a brief relation of some remarkable passages of the anabaptists in germany , &c. published by one geo. pressick of dublin , and dedicated in a special manner to you ; that his work may passe with the greater credit , and his slanders and calumnies , be received for undoubted truths : now that the innocency of the upright may be cleared , and that no lye may rest upon the truth , nor that you , neither any others , may receive falshoods for verities , because of our silence ; therefore it is that the lord hath ▪ put it into my heart , to defend the cause of god and his people , by returning plain and sober answer to the principal parts of his book , wherein we are concerned and falsly charged ; and for the end that the false accuser may be reproved , and his calumnies returned into his own evil and malicious heart , from whence they came ; and that you , and all men , may be truly informed , and prevented ( if possible ) of being seduced into the belief of falshoods , lest that your hearts and hands should be stirred up to act or do in your authority against the people whom god hath blessed ; and from the ground and cause of mis-informations and false accusations , without better testimony , which would be a way to destroy your selves , and to bring the guilt of the unjust sufferings of the lords people upon your own heads , which would draw down the heavy wrath of god upon you . i cannot flatter you by feigned words of guile , nor give you flattering titles , but i judge you are reasonable men , in that degree as to hear and consider our defence , aswell as our enemies charge ; and i hope you are wise in that degree , as to judge between truth and a lye , and to distinguish one from the other ; and i suppose you are just in that measure , as to receive what ye know to be truth , and to reject what ye know to be false , being convinced in your own consciences ; and , as such , i must place my plea before you particularly , and make my defence to your iudgment seat , [ even to the witness of god in your consciences , i intend and mean ] and i shall omit to say much to the accuser himself , as supposing him , a man more full of envious raging humour , than of solid and wise judgment , to receive either reproof or conviction ; for many such as he i have dealt withall in this case , whom i have found men so filled with prejudice , that neither the authority of sound reason , nor of the word of god , could convince them of their evil proceedings ; therefore , before you , i shall state the particular accusations , and the defence against them . the way in which our adversary hath proceeded in his accusations is obscure , and yet malicious enough , and also in great ignorance : for he tells you in his epistle , he hath gathered up out of several authors , the most remarkable passages both of the doctrine and practice of the anabaptists ( so called ) in germany , 139 years ago ; and then he charges the same things upon the anabaptists and quakers ( as he scornfully calls them ) in these dayes ; and then he applauds you three in words of high stile , for being instrumental to suppress their insolent tyrannical usurped authority , which they exercise over gods people in this nation , to enslave us ( saith he ) to their insatiable lusts . there are his own words in his epistle . answ. in answer to all this , divers things are very considerable , which i desire to lay before you . 1. concerning the anabaptists ( so called ) in germany , and their doctrines and practices , with the several transactions falling out in that time : it is not my work now to plead their cause , nor yet can i justifie them in their proceedings , if the relations given of them be true , which are many , and to me seems not in every thing credible ; because i find , it were their enemies , who are our authors ; who seldom give true relations of such whom they hate : but be the relations true or false , it is not material in this case in hand , for my occasion is not concerning a people so far off , as in germany , and of so long time , as above a hundred of years ; but i am to clear the innocent who are now living , from the present accusations of an envious man ; though , if it were necessary , or would edifie , or were a matter of pertinency , i could say somewhat more concerning that peoples appearing in germany , but being a matter not suiting my occasion , i do forbear it . 2. as for them , called anabaptists of this our age and country , i shall not plead their cause at this time , though i cannot believe that they are of that spirit of murder and tyranny , &c. as is reputed by your informer ; though their judgment in every case , neither about civil or spiritual things , i dare not justifie ; nor may i lawfully clear all of them from a large measure of the spirit of ambition and covetousness , vain-glory and self-seeking ; for which the lord hath justly brought them under a just reproof , and by this time i believe some of them may see some errour in their own way , andmore i may not say of them , but that i believe the present accusation against them , by your present informer , is more out of bitter and perverse enmity and devouring malice that he bears towards them , than out of any other end ; and i doubt not but they are sufficient to answer for themselves , and to clear their innocency in things wherein they are not guilty ; and if they are guilty , let them fall in their tryal : i leave them to speak for themselves , thus omitting any further answer on their behalf . 3. as for us , whom in scorn the accuser calleth quakers , and whom he hath accused as guilty in all things , with the anabaptists ( so called ) in germany , and in this nation ; i say , there is great difference both in iudgement and practice , in things civil ( so accounted ) and things spiritual between us and them , as is well known ; and were they fully guilty of all what is said of them ( which i dare not believe ) yet how can we be charged guilty of their crimes , being they and we are different in iudgment and practice , as i have said : surely your informer hath neither shewed good conscience , nor yet pure reason in his proceeding , who hath laid things to our charge which we never knew , and hath accused us guilty of that which never entred into our hearts to practise , and hath ( as it were ) charged other mens crimes upon us , being wholly innocent , as will appear in the prosecution of this matter ; and i hope to make it plain , that he hath wronged us , and abused you , by dedicating falshoods for your approof , and sent slanders abroad , as it were , under your name or patronage . 4. as concerning the charge it self , included in these words , saith your informer ; and considering how instrumental your honours have been to suppress their insolent , tyrannical , usurped authority , which they exercised over gods people in this nation , to enslave us , &c. in these words there are very deep accusations , slanders , and unjust reproaches vented against us ; and with what face ( except impudent ) we can be thus charged ; is almost wonderful ; especially considering that we have been our selves a suffering people by every authority , since the time the lord raised us up , and never had any outward ▪ authority in this nation , but all were cast out of all place and power , both civil and military , when as they have become one with us in our way , and this hath been the manner of dealing with us by all that ever have ruled ; and yet we are charged most unjustly with exercising insolent , tyrannical , usurped authority in this nation , &c. for it 's said , their insolent , and they exercised , to wit , the quakers ; when as it is manifest , as i have shewed , that we never exercised any outward authority at all , but have been a suffering people by all authorities unto this day : therefore i do appeal to the witness of god in your own consciences , how great is this slander , and how false this accusation , and how wicked is our adversary in thus accusing us before you , in the things which you so well know are utterly and detestably false ; and the accuser and his accusations are to be condemned together . 5. but and if it had been so , or should be so in time to come , that we had any , or all outward authority in our hands , ( i may suppose impossible things , to manifest the truth of our principle ) our principle is not to be in insolent , tyrannical , nor to be usurpers over gods people , to enslave them ; but far the contrary , even that iustice , mercy and truth may sit in the throne , and that peace and freedom may be held forth unto all ; that no usurpers nor tyrants , but iust men , and men that fear god , and hate covetousness and every evil way , that such alone may sit in judgment whom god calleth to that place ; who will rule in righteousness and justice , and regard the cause of the poor and needy ; we would that such only ruled , who were ruled by the lord ; who would be a blessing in the world , and to all people ; not desiring more liberty to our selves , than what we would give unto all others in all just wayes . this is our principle , as to matters of outward authority among men , and not as this false accuser hath suggested out of his evil heart . 6. as to the matter of your suppressing us , which your applauder saith , you have been instrumental to do : this is as false as the rest ; for we are no more suppressed ; than before you exercised your present authority , but are every way in as much liberty of persons , and otherwise , as in their dayes before yours ; and are no way suppressed , nor fearful of it : so the author of such lyes , hath but flattered you , and fawned upon you , in telling you , ye have suppressed us , when as it 's nothing so : but and if it had been in your hearts , or be at this day , to suppress us , and to hinder us of our liberties , and to persecute us , the lord shall plead our cause against you , and give no success unto your work ; but it shall be turned to our renown , and to your overthrow , and the secret hand of god shall confound you , and break your purposes , and deliver his people out of your mouths ; thus it shall come to passe , if that your hands should be stretched forth to hurt us , who are gods heritage , and the sheep of his fold . and thus much in answer to his epistle . now i come to a second accusation of his , stated in his first page , in these words . we may see from whence anabaptists , quakers , ranters , and levellers all had their original , namely , from the papists , &c. answ. 1. as for the anabaptists , ranters and levellers , i leave them to plead their own cause ; and though we are accused with such , yet there is much difference in iudgment and practice between us and them ; though i believe , they are all further from popery both in judgment and practice , than is this accuser of them ; but yet they shall answer for themselves ; and i shall only mind the matter i have in hand , which is , to clear the people of god , called quakers , from the accusations charged falsly against them , whom i know to be innocent , from these false accusations . 2. that we did arise from the papists , or , that they are our original , in doctrine , faith , or practice , this is utterly false ; for between us and them is perfect separation , and we are of another spirit , and divided from them ; as appears every way , even by their persecuting of us for our testimony bearing against them and their religion ; and they have written against us , and we against them , divers controversies ; and they have imprisoned divers of our friends in their dominions , for giving testimony against their wayes : by all which it doth appear , that we are not of the papists line , nor arisen from them ; for if we were of them , they would love us , and not persecute us ; and that herein we are falsly accused , as in other things : and this is an old out-dated accusation , and is of no account ; for now we are otherwise known through these kingdoms , and we are manifest to the consciences of men in the sight of god , to be such as fear the lord , and walk in his wayes . 3. and as for our original , it is the lord god alone that hath raised us up , and planted us a people , that were not a people in times past ; and not from the apostate christians , neither of papists nor protestants ( so called ) are we sprung ; but are of the apostles line , and of the stock and race of the true christians , that believed in christ , and followed him ; and in every part of our religion , both in faith and practice , and in conversation , we are agreeing with the holy apostles , being witnessed unto by the scriptures in all that we profess and practise ; and the lord hath raised us up out of the apostacy , into which all christendom hath been fallen since the apostles dayes , whilest antichrist hath reigned over the world ; and we are as the first fruits unto god and to the lamb , since the falling away from the true faith ; and truth and righteousness is our original , and christ iesus is our foundation , on whom we are builded , and the gates of hell cannot prevail against us : and this testimony the spirit of god giveth for us , and in us , in contradiction of the false accusations of all our enemies . 4. and if it be an offence to be risen from the papists , and if all that be evil which they are the original of ; then the protestants ( so called ) are in the offence , and their ministry , and the chief part of their church-government , worship and ordinances are evil ; for did not the protestants spring from the papists ? and did not the papists institute the way by which the protestants make ministers at schools and colledges ? and was it not they that first instituted sprinkling of infants , and calling it baptism into the faith , and into the church ? and was it not the papists that first taught the protestants to keep holy dayes , as christmasse and candlemasse , so called ? and many other particular things relating to the protestants church , ministry and worship , were originally ordained and first practised by the church of rome and papists : and so while this false accuser is charging others , himself and the men of his way , are found guilty of the same things ; and the papists may justly say to the protestants , that they are false-hearted to them , in denying of them and their church , when as their fathers were the instituters of the principal parts of the protestants worship and ordinances ; and so they , like unnatural children , have denyed their mother that bred them up , and ordained them a way of making ministers , and maintaining them , and many other parts of their religion : but because she hath not been the national interest for these many years , therefore the church of the protestants have denied the church of rome , though originally they rose out from her . the next thing in his book i take notice of , is , where he seemeth to charge us , with boasting that we talk with god , and god with us , and have revelations , and as if god commanded them to kill all the wicked , and to make a new world : a sect in saxony ( saith the accuser ) arose that held this ; and the quakers now are like them : which is as much as charging all this upon us . answ. 1. that we do boast of talking with god , or of revelation . this is another of his false accusations : for we boast not , nor do we glory in any thing , saving in the lord , and this is no error , but that which we must acknowledge unto , or else deny the truth , to talk with god , and god with us , in and by his own spirit : for all the saints have converse with god , and union and fellowship with him in his own spirit , as the scriptures do declare : and as for revelations , we do acknowledge according to christs words , that we had never known the father , not the son , but by revelation ; for none know the father but the son , and he to whom the son reveals him , as it is written ; and all such as have not converse with god , and that have not revelation , are not in the way of eternal life , but are ignorant and without god in the world , and neither know him , nor have fellowship with him . 2. as for killing all the wicked , this is another false charge ; for it is not our principle to war against the persons of any men , and kill them with carnal weapons , about church , and ministry , and religion , as the papists and protestants do one with another ; but it is our principle to war against the evil spirit in men , and to smite that with the spiritual sword of gods word ; and we would have mens wickedness killed , and their persons saved , and their souls delivered ; and this is the war we make , even till men be changed by the power of god , and all things made new ; even a new world , and a new earth we do expect , according to the lords promise , so that it 's no errour to expect a new earth , and a new world ; for there is a new creation which the saints do witness , created a new in christ iefus , to bring forth good fruits unto the living god : and all that do not witness this , are in the transgression of the old creation , which brings the wrath of god . again , the accuser tells a story of one , that prosessed the gift of discerning spirits , and to know the elect from reprobates , and that made holiness to consist in speaking little , and living homely and sordidly , as our quakers do , saith he . answ. 1. as for discerning of spirits , that is gift which the saints of god do receive in all ages : for the apostle said , to some was given the discerning of spirits , by the manifestation of the spirit of god ; so to profess discerning of spirits , is no errour in us , though it be stated as a great errour before you , by an ignorant man , who knows not what he saith , nor whereof he affirms : and it 's possible to know the elect from reprobates by their fruits and works ; for the children of god ( who are the elect ) are known by their holy and righteous works and fruits ; and the children of the devil ( who are the reprobate ) are known also by their works and fruits of unrighteousness which they bring forth ; and this the scriptures bear witness of . 2. as for speaking little , and living homely and sordidly : if he means , by homely and sordidly , plainly and without superfluity ; this is also works and fruits of holiness ; and it 's better to speak little , than to utter multitude of vain words ; and it 's more justifiable to god and just men , to be plain and homely ( as he saith ) in apparrel , than superfluity of naughtiness in vain attire , and more holy ; for true holiness consists in the power of god , which crucifies all idle words , and all superfluity in apparrel , and whatsoever is not like god : and was this accuser but as wise as he is envious , he would never be seen to scorn the quakers ( scornfully so called ) with speaking little , and wearing plain and sober apparrel ; but fools love to be medling to manifest their own folly , as it is written . again , the accuser telleth another story of muntzer , how he did exhort some that were on his part , ( viz. anabaptists ) to kill every mothers son , for a sacrifice to the lord ; and , saith he ▪ by this we may guess , if anabaptists and quakers should get the upper hand , what they would do , &c. answ. 1. as for the quakers getting the upper hand , we strive not for it by carnal weapons , to have victory over mens persons , though we know the lord will give us victory and dominion over the beast , and over the false prophet ; for the lamb shall get the victory , and they that are with him , who are called , and faithful , and chosen ; but this victory is spiritual , and obtained spiritually ; and thus we believe the lord will give us the upper hand , even victory over all our enemies . 2. but what a wicked envious surmise and suggestion is here couched under , as if the quakers , if they had victory , would kill every mothers son for a sacrifice , and that they would make war , &c. the lord rebuke his slanderous tongue , who hath hatched mischief in his mind against the innocent , and presented you with forged lyes and surmises , and imagined and guessed cruel and evil things against us , who are far otherwise principled than as he guesseth : but all this his own doings , doth but manifest the folly of his own heart , and his own wickedness ; for we are of the spirit of mercy and peace , and not of murder and war ; not to kill mens persons , but to war with the spirit of god against spiritual enemies ; that mens iniquities may be slain , and their persons and souls saved . again , the accuser , pag. 4. tells a long story of micher hopman , and others with him , what things they held , as they condemned the baptism of children : they would not take an oath : they pulled down magistrates : they undertook to kill all princes : they taught , that in their churches all were holy ; and that it was lawful to have many wives : that all learning is prophane , and that mean men are fittest to expound scriptures ; and there must be no ordinary calling in the church , but every man must speak as he is inspired : and thus it is ( saith the accuser ) with the quakers and popish agents , who are their ring-leaders , have been endeavouring in these three nations these eight or nine years by-past , &c. answ. 1. it is to be considered , that all these things are fully charged upon us , as bei●●●ilty thereof , and so to every particular i shall answer . as to that of the baptism of children , we do say , there is neither command nor example for it in all the scripture , god never commanded it , nor did the apostles ever practise it in their dayes , but it is a tradition of the church of rome , introduced into the world long since the apostles dayes ; and except better ground can be shewed for the practice of it , than bare tradition , it is lawful to deny it , as being no ordinance of god in his true church ; except ( i say ) that it can be proved that god ever commanded it , or the apostles and saints practised it ; till which be done , it is no errour to deny the sprinkling of infants , and to deny it to be the true baptism into the true church . 2. concerning taking an oath , we say , christ jesus commanded , mat. 5. not to swear at all ; and the apostle iames said , above all things , my brethren , swear not : so that to deny to swear and take oaths , is according to the command of christ and his apostles , and is no errour , though the accuser hath here charged it on us as a heinous crime ; but we do deny all swearing , in obedience to the commands of christ , and our yea is yea , and our nay is nay , as christ hath taught us , without an oath ; who hath commanded us not to take oaths , nor swear at all . 3. as for pulling down magistrates , and killing all princes , and that it is lawful to have many wives : these are lyes and slanders charged upon us by a false accuser ; for our principle is , to obey all magistrates , and all princes , in every thing , either by doing or suffering , and we would have princes and magistrates to rule and reign in the power of god , justly , righteously , and according to the law of god ; and would not have them killed and pulled down : and we say , it 's better to keep in the single chast life , than to have many wives : but any accusation to make us appear vile , this your informer spareth not ; but according to his work will be his reward in the day of the lord . 4. concerning all being holy in the church : we say , that every member in the true church of christ , is holy : for the church of christ is his body , and every member of his body , which are flesh of his flesh , and bones of his bone , are holy , as he is holy , in kind and quality ; and it is his exhortation to his saints , be ye holy , for i am holy , faith christ : so that to hold that every member of the body of christ is holy , is no errour , though it be so reputed by an ignorant man . 5. concerning all learning being prophane , and that mean men are fittest to expound scriptures : i do say , that learning in it self is a gift of god , and is not prophane ; though as to the knowledge of god , and the things of his kingdom , learning in tongues and languages , is little available ; for it 's the spirit of god that teaches the things of god , and reveals all the things of his kingdom ; and none can know god , but as the spirit of god discovers him : for the disciples , who were some of them unlearned men in books and letters , had the knowledge of the matters of gods kingdom taught them by the holy spirit : and such as have the gift of the spirit of god , be they poor or rich , are fittest to expound and understand scriptures ; for none can understand the scriptures , nor the things therein declared , but by the spirit of god that gave forth the scriptures ; and it is not latine , greek or hebrew , that teacheth to understand the scriptures , but it is the spirit of god , and to whomsoever that spirit is given ( and god gives it to whom he pleaseth ) they only are fit to declare the things of god unto others , and to expound scriptures , and none else but them who have experience of the operation of the spirit in their own hearts : and this we hold and believe . 6. concerning ordinary calling , and speaking as he is inspired : i say the scriptures no where speak of ordinary calling : and if by ordinary calling it be meant , calling to any office in the church , without the spirit of god ; i say , there was no such calling : for the ministry of christ in the apostles dayes , was called by the holy spirit , and the ministry of the true church , is made , ordained and called according to the gift of gods holy spirit , which he giveth ; and as every one ( saith peter ) hath received the gift of the spirit , so let him administer the same one to another . so that it is manifest by the scriptures , that the call to the ministry in the apostles dayes , was not of man , nor by man , saith paul , but according to the gift of the holy anoiming , the spirit of god : and also every one in the true church might speak , as it was revealed to them , for , saith paul , if any thing be revealed to another that stands by , let the first hold his peace : for ye may all speak one by one , that all may be edified : so that it is no errour to hold , that every one in the true church may speak as the spirit of god gives them utterance , and to whom the things of god are revealed by the spirit . 7. that there are popish agents among us , and that such are our ring-leaders ; this is a false slander , and you ought to put the accuser to prove it , it is your duty so to do ; and that such popish agents be named , and where they are : and i challenge the accuser to name one among us , or else let him stop his mouth for a lyar ; who hath abused your names , with dedicating untruths to you for your approof . again , he accuseth us for saying , the spirit bloweth where it listeth , and , he saith , we judge none have the spirit but our selves . answ. 1. christ himself said , the wind bloweth where it listeth , and so is every one that is born of the spirit : and we do judge god hath given of his spirit to many that are yet ungodly , and many are convinced of sin by the spirit of god in their consciences , that are wicked and ungodly , who are not of us : but yet we say , as the saints in ages past said , we know that we are of god , and that the whole world lies in wickedness ; and they that are of god , hear us , and are one with us ; and we do inform all people to the measure of the spirit of god in their consciences , that they may come to the knowledge of god , and to be one with us . again , he accuseth us to be acted by the same deluding spirit as john of leyden was acted by . answ. 1. what spirit iohn of leyden was acted by we now dispute not , neither doth this accuser well know , but what he hath from the reports of others , which may be false as like as true in some particulars ; but the spirit that we follow is the spirit of god , by which we are acted in the wayes of truth and righteousness ; and are not deluded , nor followers of a deluding spirit ; for we are willing to be ●ied in our doctrines and practices according to the scriptures : and though we stand accused of these and the like things , yet we challenge him to prove it before you , and that we may be admitted to make our defeace ; and we shall the rather easily prove that our accuser is acted by the spirit of the devil , who is an accuser of the brethren like the devil ; and that is a deluding spirit that teacheth men to backbite , lye and slander , as this man hath done ; so he is proved fully guilty of that whereof he hath accused others , and must own the shame and condemnation to himself which he would bring upon others . again , the accuser chargeth us , that we would neither have king , magistrates , nor ministers , but of our selves , &c. answ. 1. i have before mentioned what kind of rulers and governours we would have , even such as are just men , and men of truch and righteousness , and that hate covetousness and every evil way ; and such are of us , even such we would have to reign as are approved of god , who would be a praise to them that do well , and a terrour to evil-doers ; and that would only rule and reign for the lord , exercising and executing his righteous laws by the spirit of god ; and such will be blessed in their authority . 2. and till such only rule and bear the sword of iustice in the earth , we do know peace and happiness can never be in the kingdoms of the world , but divisions and confusions will arise and be brought forth ; for it is the only blessedness of a government in any nation , when the authority it self is just and according to god , and when such as bear the execution thereof are iust kings , righteous magistrates , and ministers of iustice , that will judge for god and not for man , and we seek not the place of government in this world , nor do we intrude our selves into such places ; though this we say , while that spirit reigns and rules in the nations of the earth , which is not of god , but contrary to us , peace and happiness in good government amongst men through the world , can never be ; though we are truly subject to whatsoever authority is set over us , by doing or suffering . then the accuser speaks of teaching the wayes of righteousness , and saith , according to this , the quakers have gone through ireland , and he speaks of gods wrath following for hardness of heart , and this ( saith he ) is just like the quakers doctrines now . answ. that the quakers ( scornfully so called ) have gone through ireland , and through many other nations of the world , to teach and preach truth and righteousnesse , this is true , and without occasion of an evil charge against them for so doing ; and the lord hath prospered us , and been with us , to the turning of many from darknesse to light , and from the power of satan unto god ; and we have testimony in the consciences of many for the truth of our doctrines and practices ; and this is not errour nor heresie , to proclaim the wrath of god , because of the hardness of peoples hearts ; for that is the portion of all hard-hearted men : and we are not ashamed of this doctrine , for it is according to the scriptures of truth ; and but that this accuser is given up to blindness of mind , he would never have mentioned these things as against us , nor used our names in reproach in this matter . and lastly , whereas he saith , some of the quakers say , they are iews , and are not , but are of the synagogue of satan : and thou chargest iames naylor with saying , that he was christ : and that one should say , george fox was iohn baptist , and such false prophets and prophesies we have heard too much of , &c. answ. 1. that they say , they are iews , and are not , are such as have a name to live , but are dead , who say and do not ; but we are not such ; so this his charge is false and wicked , and of the synagogue of satan he doth manifest himself to be , by his accusing of the brethren : and as for iames naylor he never said he was christ , though this hath been cast , as a foul reproach , upon him by others , yet it never was proved against him lawfully , nor any thing tending thereunto , saving that he said christ was in him , as he is in every member of his body , according to measure . and as for the story of george fox , there are many such lying stories that have gone abroad in these nations , in opposition to the truth of god made manifest ; but over all these things truth hath gotten the victory , and the lords work must prosper in the earth ; and all lyars must be confounded , and have their portion in the lake : and this is our portion from the world , as christ said , they shall speak all manner of evil against you falsly for my name sake ; but great shall be your reward in heaven : and this is for a testimony against them , that our enemies are of the devil , and for a testimony to us that we are of god . and thus i have returned our defence before you , against his several lyes and slanders , and it is left to the witness of god in your consciences to be judge in this case , between us and him ; and if you be cloathed with the spirit of moderation and meekness , and will judge according to equity , i doubt not but the case is clear against our adversary , who wrongfully , and to a wicked and evil intent , hath hatched mischief against us , and brought it forth before you ; and we desire nothing of revenge towards him for his evil work , but do leave him to be rewarded of the lord , who will justly give him , and all men , according to their deeds . and now i have a few considerations , to present unto you three in particular , as such in that capacity who bear rule in this land . 1. consider how that you are set in place and authority , and ought to judge and govern for god alone , and to be a terror to all evil-doers , and a praise to all that do well ; and the living god requireth of you to do iustice , truth and righteousnesse in the land , to hear the cry of the widow and fatherlesse , and to judge uprightly the cause of the poor , without respect to your own self-ends ; and ye ought to be meek and humble men in your places of care and trust , which is committed unto you ; and take heed that your hearts be not lifted up in the honour of high places , and so iudgment , mercy and truth be neglected , and oppressions and cruelties be brought forth . consider , that if ye do iustice and righteousness , and walk humbly with the lord , and exercise mercy and truth in the land , and hear the cry of the poor , and deliver the afflicted ; then the lord can make you a blessing to your selves and to the people : but if you be proud and exalted , and ambitious and vain-glorious , and exercise cruelty and oppression , and tread down the poor , and vex the needy , and grieve the lord god by your iniquities ; then god will cast you down , and lay your honoue in the dust , and make you a curse and a reproach , and your names and memorial shall be a stink ; and the justice of the lords hand shall effect it . 3. consider that yeare men , and not god , and your strength flesh , and not spirit , and there is a god greater than all , who is above all ; who can suddenly in a moment save his people , and destroy his enemies ; and he can break you down and never raise you up ; he can turn his hand upon you and all mankind , as the potter doth with his clay , even tread it and mould it for honour or dishonour ; and if his spirit blow upon you , and if he smite you , you perish , and none can restore you : take heed to this god and have respect unto him , and remember you are but as dust before him ; and you now have a time for a moment , which the lord hath given you to try you what you will do , and how you will walk towards him ; an account unto him must you give of all your wayes : remember this now in your life-time , while you have time , and the day of your visitation is not quite extinguished . 4. be tender and compassionate towards all men ; not perverse , hasty and froward , thinking to bow men to your wills by rigour , but rather win them by love ; and this is of good report to you , to be humble , meek and tender towards all , even towards your enemies ; and insult not over the afflicted , neither add to their sufferings ; for the lord can raise up , and bring down whomsoever he will , according to his pleasure ; and remember that law to walk by it , do to others , but as ye would have others do unto you in the same case ; and be not too cruel to such , who cannot conform to times , and things , and men , for what know you , but some mens consciences may be tender in things which you yet make no conscience of ; meddle not to persecute any for their conscience-sake in religious matters , but rule and govern well in outward affairs , according to the law of god , but afflict not , nor persecute any for their conscience-sake towards god , while they walk justly , as men , in things between man and man ; take this counsel , lest ye vex the lord against you to destroy you . 5. be moderate and compassionate towards this same people , that are accused before you ; though they are at this day a people under great afflictions and sufferings every way , yet shew not the height of rigour and oppression against them ; though you have power to imprison them , and to deal hardly with them , yet be tender and meek , and shew bowels of mercy and forbearance ; and use not the extent of your power , to seek their destruction , lest ye provoke the lord against your selves : for the god of heaven remembreth their cause , and doth give ear to the cry of their innocent groanings under their heavy burdens , and deliverance may he work for them , whether you will or no : though it be an hour of affliction , and a day of great tryal upon them , yet wo unto them that shall be found adding to their afflictions , by encreasing their burdens through injustice and persecution : therfore , as ye hope to receive mercy from the lord , and as ye would have his compassion shewed to you , do the same to his people , for power is in your hands , to be merciful or cruel , to relieve them , or persecute them ; and it is your day of tryal what you will do ; ye have your hour to do good or evil , and according to your works will the god of heaven reward you . 6. consider the innocency of this people ; they are clear before the lord and you of plotting , or contriving , or designing evil against you , or this government , they seek not the hurt of any mans person , nor do they intend evil towards the government or governours ; who have found them agitating any such things ? of all such things they are innocent , and are peaceable subjects under the government , and are perswaded in conscience so to continue : and as for their deportment in their callings and occasions , and tradings amongst men , ask their neighbours ; do not they deal justly , truly , and equally in all their dealing and occasions ? do not they speak the truth to their neighbours in all matters ? and are they not persons of upright and inoffensive lives and conversations ? do they defraud their neighbours ? or , are they drunkards or vain persons ? let the very witness of god in their neighbours answer . and if you should fall a persecuting this people , and seek to destroy them , concerning whom the witness of god in mens consciences giveth such an evidence , wo , wo will be unto you ; for you cannot hurt them , but you act contrary to the witness of god in your own hearts , which will condemn you in the day of judgment . so let this dwell upon your spirits , and be aware what you do ; take good consideration , lest you act out of gods counsel to your own overthrow . 7. consider what became of all the persecutors of old , were not they eminently destroyed by the hand of god who persecuted the lords people ? what became of pharoah ? and what became of hammon , and what became of herod , who persecuted the lords heritage ? let this enter into your hearts , to be examples to you that you persecute not the innocent , lest god overturn you by the roots ; for , as i have said , the cause of this people god regardeth , and he will avenge himself in his season of all their persecutors ; have not your hands dipped in their unjust afflictions that god may blesse you , and spare them that you may be spared in the day of vengeance ; if you have no matter of evil against them , in things between man and man , nor in the affairs of your government , as contriving against it ; nor nothing but concerning the worship of their god , and the matters of their conscience in spiritual things ; touch them not , persecute them not , afflict them not ; but be tender towards them , as you will answer the same before the god of heaven . these are only considerations of warning to you : and i commit the matter to the lord ; and ye have time to do good or evil , and accordingly will god reward you . a testimony concerning government and authority . vve are a people whom god hath raised up out of the apostacy , darkness and ignorance which all christendom hath long been fallen into ; for since the dayes of the apostles many have professed the words of christ , and had a name of churches , and the shew of religion , and have professed the scriptures , but have wanted the same spirit and power of godlinesse which the apostles lived in ; the life and spirit of god hath been wanting amongst the false christians , and they have been persecuting one another about religion and the worship of god , and imposing upon one anothers consciences , in spiritual matters ; and kings and rulers have been setting up what kind of worship , and religion and church-goverment as they pleased ; and they have imposed upon kingdoms , and made people subject to them , to profess and conform to such a way of worship and religion , some in the ignorance of their consciences , and some contrary to their consciences ; and all this hath been in the apostacy , since the apostles dayes , while men have been fallen from the true faith , and many have been subject to their rulers and governours by force , and for fear , and not for conscience-sake ; for love , peace and unity hath been wanting among christians , and bitterness , frowardness and false-heartedness , hath been amongst them : but out of all this the lord hath redeemed us into peace and comfort with god , and one with another . and as concerning our principle about magistracy and government , and obedience thereunto , this i do declare . 1. we do own and acknowledge magistracy to be an ordinance of god , instituted of him , for the punishing of evil-doers , and for the praise of them that do well ; and we acknowledge all just subjection to authority , magistracy , and government : this is our principle , and hath ever been our practice , known through these kingdoms , that we are subject by doing or suffering , to whatsoever authority the lord is pleased to set over us , without rebellion , sedition , plotting or making war against any government or governours . 2. that government and authority which is justly according unto god in all its statutes and ordinances , we are , and do engage to be subject thereunto , by full obedience unto all the commands and injunctions of such authority and government , whose laws , ordinances , and commandments are grounded upon right reason and equity , which leadeth to do to all men as we would be done unto , and punisheth the contrary ; to such government and authority we are readily subject in all things and cases ; and we are for the order and assistance of such government in all righteousness . 3. that government which is contrary unto this , which is in injustice , commanding & requiring things contrary to the law of god , and imposing upon people in matters and cases , contrary to right reason and equity , whose commands are different to the will of god ; yet to such government we acknowledge subjection , by patient suffering under all penalties inflicted for disobedience to the commands which we cannot perform by obedience for conscience sake ; and this is our principle , though an authority and government were never so unjust in it self , and in its exercise , yet we may not plot or contrive , or make turbulent insurrections to redeem our selves from such government and authority , but we must commit our cause to the lord in such case , of suffering under any unjust commands of men . 4. as concerning church and ministry , and the exercise of religion , we believe and acknowledge that christ hath a church upon earth , and a lawful ministry ; and we are not enemies to church , and ministry , and gospel-ordinances , as we are falsly reputed by men , ignorant and slanderous ; but we only bear witness against the corruption and degeneration of the church of papists and protestants ( so called ) wherein they are different and contrary to what the churches of christ were in the apostles dayes ; they are different and contrary i assert , to what the churches of christ once were in ministry , ( in its call and maintenance ) in ordinances and worship , in discipline and government ; in all these things there is difference to what these things were in the true churches in the apostles dayes ; and our principle is , for the reforming of ministry , church-government , discipline and worship , and not to destroy them . 5. as concerning imposing of faith , and doctrine , practices , and worship in religion by the force of lawes and penalties , in the ignorance of mens consciences , or contrary to their consciences : we do say , this practice never was in the apostles dayes , but is an intrusion of antichrist , and we bear testimony against it , not to be of god , but contrary to him ; and that outward government and authority in kingdoms and nations , is to be exercised over the outward man in things between man and man , and not over the inward man , in things between god and mans conscience in spiritual matters , and worship , and duty to god-wards : no king , nor ruler upon earth , hath power given him of god to exercise such authority over the consciences of men in the matters of gods kingdom ; and further , religion and church-government so set up and established by force , upon pains and penalties , can but reform a people into hypocrisie and false conformity , and not into any real performance of religion or duty to god ; and such performance of religion , church-fellowship and ordinances is not unto eternal life , but to the making of men twofold more the children of the devil . 6. we do believe , that it is the conviction and the teaching of the spirit of god that doth make men and people only truly religious : i● is ●hat only that perswades the conscience from all evil un●o that which is good ; and true religion , and the worship of god , and duty towards him , is not truly learned by traditions of time , commandements of men , or custom of countries , or the like ; but it is the spirit of god , and its teachings in the consciences of people , that leadeth into all tru●h , according as christ hath said ; so that the way of forcing religion and duty to god upon people by force and outward penalties , this was never known among the saints and apostles of christ . these things are presented to your considerations ; the lord give you a right understanding of them , and that you may walk in the way of your own peace with god and man . written in the 10th month in ireland . the end . some of the principles of the quakers (scornfully so called by men) vindicated and proved sound and true and according to the scriptures in oposition to the false charges and lying reports given forth against the truth in two printed books put forth by one philip taverner, a supposed minister of the gospel in middlesex near vxbridge ... / by edw. burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30542 of text r28519 in the english short title catalog (wing b6024). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 53 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 12 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30542 wing b6024 estc r28519 10618375 ocm 10618375 45419 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30542) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 45419) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 1351:16) some of the principles of the quakers (scornfully so called by men) vindicated and proved sound and true and according to the scriptures in oposition to the false charges and lying reports given forth against the truth in two printed books put forth by one philip taverner, a supposed minister of the gospel in middlesex near vxbridge ... / by edw. burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 23 p. [s.n], london : 1658. reproduction of original in the cambridge university library. eng taverner, philip, b. 1616 or 17. -quakers rounds. society of friends -apologetic works. a30542 r28519 (wing b6024). civilwar no some of the principles of the quakers (scornfully so called by men) vindicated, and proved sound, and true, and according to the scriptures: burrough, edward 1658 11035 28 0 0 0 0 0 25 c the rate of 25 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the c category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 spi global keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-07 judith siefring sampled and proofread 2004-07 judith siefring text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-10 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion some of the principles of the quakers ( scornfully so called by men ) vindicated , and proved sound , and true , and according to the scriptures : in opposition to the false charges , and lying reports given forth against the truth , in two printed books , put forth by one philip taverner , a supposed minister of the gospel , in middlesex near vxbridge . and hereby truth is manifest , and discovered , and the controversie determined by the judgement of truth , between philip taverner aforesaid , the accuser , and edw. burrough , defendant of the truth , who contends for the faith of the gospel , and for the word of god in the heart , against all such gain-sayers as have the form of godliness , but denies the power , and many such are in this age . and this is given forth for the satisfaction of all that desires to know the truth of the controversie between them aforesaid , by edw. burrough . london , printed in the year . 1658. some of the principles of the qvakers , ( scornfully so called by men ) vindicated , and proved sound and true , and according to the scriptures . in opposition to the false charges , and lying reports given forth against the truth , in two printed books put forth by one philip taverner , a supposed minister of the gospel , in middlesex near vxbridge . whereas philip taverner one of truths opposers ( whether through ignorance , or subtilty i now determine not ) hath again appeared against me , and truth in print , as in vindication of himself and his former work , who about four months ago gave a false relation of a dispute , but instead of mending the matter , he hath made his own cause the more vile , as may appear to such who takes a perfect view of the proceedings , from the beginning to the end thereof ; row the intent of this my reply is to clear the truth further , and to take off h●s false aspersions which he hath cast upon my innocent words in my former book , in answer to his first . and as for the rest of his book , which hath no relation to mine , nor to the dispute , i shall pass it by . the title of my first book was , something of truth made manifest , &c. to which saist thou , a plausible title to cover a railing and bitter spirit under , that it may walk in the world less suspected , &c. reply . my words are truth , for in that book truth was made manifest to many in relation to the former dispute , to the satisfaction of many , and as for rayling and bitterness of spirit , i do deny , only i am zealous for the lords truth , to speak plainly by reproving them that gain-say it , and to that of god in every mans conscience , do i desire to be manifest and seeks , not by flattering words to cover evil , that i may not be suspected , though thou seem falsly to say it , but let all my enemies suspect what they will , for of the lord do i seek to stand approved , and not of man , for the jew inward , hath no praise of man , but of god , and as for rayling language and bitter words against thee i have used none , but speaks the truth in plainness . the next thing thou seems to stumble at is , whereas i said , i supposed thou hadst ambitiously stiled thy selfe , mr. phillip taverner , and thou now seeks to hide thy self from the force of my words , to the sight of the world , which appears a little to strike upon thee , with some shame ; and thou saist , thou did not prefix mr. before thy name , but the stationer did it , who ( saist thou ) was pleased to honour the man with that title , &c. reply . now instead of clearing himself , he hath shewed more guilt of ambition then before , and my words were , i supposed , and not an absolute charge as he saith , and had not i good reason to suppose it , that it was his ambition , being also contrary to the express command of christ , mat ▪ 23. and indeed i hardly ever read any subscription like to it , by the greatest , and noblest of men , as men account , and it is a thing far above humility , and not beseeming any man , much less one that professes himself to be a minister of christ ●o subscribe himself , or be with his consent , mr. such an one , but he seems to cover himself from ambition , because saith he , he did it not himself but another , i say , i shall not charge him here with falsehood , but i am sure it is very unusual for any man to add any thing to another mans book , without his knowledg ; i never knew it done by any stationer , who hath had some knowledg of their wayes : but yet he acknowledges it was done in honour to him , to subscribe him master , and here he hath justified the thing , and shewed that he is indeed guilty of ambition , who confesseth that it is an honour to him , to be subscribed mr. by another ; for he saith , the man that did it honoured him with that title ; and here men may take notice what honour this my adversary looks after , even the honor that christ forbids , who saith to his ministers , be not ye called of men masters ; but the man hath honoured phil. taverner with titling him mr. as he saith . the next thing treated ; proves also that he is ambitious , for he pleads much the lawfulness of titles , of civil respects , as he calls it ; and this is all to justifie the title of master to himself , and thereupon hath wrested divers scr●ptures ; what though the unbeleeving greeks , used the word master , or sir ; john . 12. which he hath quoted ▪ is this an example sufficient for christians to break the command of christ ? mat. 23.10 . neither are any other scriptures a warrant for any man so to do , though for a whole page he treats only as for the lawfulness of such titles , yet in the end would shut guilt from his own door , that he affects not titles . for he saith , this he speaks not that he would have it so done to him ; and this his seeming justifying himself proves himself guilty , knowing that he had given truly occasion for people to judg he would have it so , and in the end would blind the minds of the simple with words of seeming humility , that he would not have it so done to him , as if he cared not for it . and whereas i said in my first , that i am without any prejudice towards the man ( viz. ) p. t. he saith i must give him leave to question it ; first , from my rayling words against him ; secondly from my scornful pitty expressed , &c. saith he . reply . i have no prejudice against him , god is my witness , and he may question what he will , who is in the unb●lief ; for its manifest by his former , that he quest●ons where he hath no just occasion , shewing much prejudice in himself , for he said in his first relation , commenting upon some of my words , if by such words , i meant so ▪ then it was truth ; but if i meant so , then it was false ; and was not this a perfect sign of prejudice in him , who had not just occasion to except against the words as they lay ; nor could not condemn them but upon giving his own interpretation of them first ; whereupon i said , in my first answer , page 14. alas poor man ▪ must i be judged upon thy own meaning , &c. and yet in these words i shewed no scornful pitty to him , though he fa●sly suppose it , and say it , and so while he cannot believe that i am without prejudice against him , he hath shewed himself guilty of prejudice towards me , and my words , to be seen , and justly believed by many . and whereas he saith , it is doubtful how far i own the authority of the scriptures , because i say in my first , we through patience and comfort of the scriptures have had hope : have had hope saith he , now it seems because i place my words , we have had hope , his unbelieving doubtful heart questions whether i own the authority of scriptures , and would falsly conclude , that through the comfort of scripture we have no hope now , and saith he , are you now flown so high that you need not ? &c. page 3. and therefore i may now answer further ; yea through the promise of the lord , declared in scripture , we have hope at this present , that god will bring down , and overthrow all such that deceives the people , who are made ministers by man , and of man , at schools and colledges , and all this set maintenance by tithes , and casting people into prison , and spoyling their goods to maintain ministers , as this day in the nation , many hundreds have been cast into prison , and many hundred pounds worth of cattel , of bedding , and all kind of goods have been distrained for to maintain the ministry , i say we have hope according to the scriptures , that god will bring down all this , and your preaching for mony , and bargaining with people for so much the year , and your preaching what you have studied for , from the scriptures , by a glass in a steeple-house , where the mass use to be said , god will confound all this , and poor people shall be delivered from the mouths of those deceivers that makes a prey upon them , and preaches for hire , and seeks for their gain from their quarter ; and these things with many other ▪ we hope at this present , wherefore think not in thy self , we now do not hope ; for we both do and have had hope , through patience , and comfort of the scriptures . whereas i charged p. t. in my last , that he had wronged both me , and the truth in his relation , &c. which he saith in his answer is false , and he saith he doth not apprehend me and the truth , so well agreed , that it is possible to wrong us both ot once ▪ &c. page the 4. reply . that he wronged me it appears , in his not relating all that i said at the dispute ( the ground of this quarrel ) not by half and more i know , and in relating more then himself spoke by far ; and let sober men judge , whether he did not here worng me , in relating a thing that passed between us , and relating much more then ever he spoke , and much less then i spoke , if the truth of that matter ( were it wrong or right matter ) and my self also be not by this kind of dealing wronged , i appeal to all honest people whilst both he and i am silent ; so the false dealing and wrong in his first book , is upon him still according to my charge unremoved , and the lie in this his last book , in that he saith , i say falsly , when i have spoken the truth , which is a lie in the highest degree , in saying when i spoke the truth , that i spoke falsly ; and his proof in that ; the truth and i doth not agree , is ; because i said in my first , the saints have no need of scriptures to teach them , but the spirit of the father leadeth , and teacheth into all truth . reply . my words are justifiable , for it is the spirit that leadeth into all truth , iohn . 16. and the saints need no man to teach them , but they have the anointing within them , and they know all things by the unction , 1 john . and the spirit of the father is given them , by which the scriptures were given forth , and the lord is the teacher of his people , and they need not any to say to them , know the lord , jer. 31. yet they that witness this , do not make the scripture of none effect , but owns it in its place , yet not as their teacher , for then they should deny the new covenant , jer. 31. and then something besides the spirit leads into truth , and they have something to teach them besides the anointing , but if this be all the proof that can be given against me , that i and the truth doth not agree , i doubt not but all spiritual men , will see the emptiness and weakness , of the witness against me ; and will be more confirmed , rather then shaken , that i and the truth doth fully agree , though p , t. speaks otherwise falsly against me . and as if i had contradicted the apostles words which he quotes against me , who saith , whatsoever things were written aforetime , were written for our learning , which scripture i do own , and no way contradict ; it s the error of his judgement , which so judgeth , for even they for whom the things that were written , were for their learning ; yet they were led into all truth by the teachings of the spirit , and they were taught of the fathet , and what was written to them was not written , because they knew not truth , or to teach them truth , 1 john 2.21 . let him learn what this means . the next thing he notes whereas i said , i then proved ( at the dispute meaning ) by many scriptures that some were perfect in this life , 1 cor. 2.5 . even perfect without sin , iohn . 1.47 . 1 joh. 3.7 . and to gain say this , he hath brought , ●john 1.8 . if we say we have no sin , we deceive our selves , and the truth is not in us ; and saith he , who speaks truth in this ▪ e. b. or the apostle ? as if i had spoken contrary to the apostle ▪ solomon also ( saith he ) te●s us , there is not a just man upon earth that doth good , and sinneth not , which also he brings as a witness against what i have affirmed . reply . it s true i held forth a state of perfection to be waited for , and attained unto , upon earth , and i am not ashamed of my principle , neither is it found too light , for that scripture . 1 cor. 2.5 . doth testify that some were perfect upon earth in the dayes of the apostles , and if they were so , the same is to be waited for , and witnessed in this age , for the hand of the lord is not shortned , and that scripture , 1 john . 3. whosoever abideth in him sinneth not , and whosoever is born of god doth not commit sin , ver. 6.9 . doth clearly manifest there is a state upon earth free from sin ▪ wherein power is received , and felt over all temptations , and over the devill , even such an estate , that the wicked one cannot touch such that are born of god , and this was the thing i held forth , and do vindicate against all opposers ; that the saints may waite for , and witness upon earth to have power over sin , and over its temptations and free from the commiting of sin , by the power of the second adam living , and dwelling in them , and thus must thou believe , p. t. or else thou believes not scripture , nor that any are born of god , or abides in christ ; if thou believe not that , then confess thou errs in judgement , who art unbelieving of what the scripture bears witness of ; therefore tell me plainly if thou believe that there are any that are born of god , and abides in christ , then must thou believe such doth not commit sin ; else thou denies the scripture , and what i held forth herein i do not contradict the apostles , nor solomons words ; for its true the apostle said , if we say we have no sin we deceive our selves ; but art thou so blind that thou doest not see , he speaks there of a state before confession of sins , and the next words , saith the apostle , if we confess our sins he is faithful , and just to forgive us our sins , and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness , so i do agree with the apostles words , and do not contradict them ; for i do say if any say they have no sin , before they do confess their sin , and forsake their sin , and be cleansed from it , i say , they are lyars , and the truth not in them ; and i also say , if that after a man have confest his sin , and be cleansed from it , and have his sin forgiven him , and witnesseth that he is born of god and does not commit sin ; i say he speaks the truth also , and the truth is in him , and though solomon did say there is not a just man upon earth that doeth good , and sins not ; yet is my affirmation true notwithstanding ; for solomon forgat the lord , and his heart went after many strange women , and became a transgressor , and in that state did not know the birth born of god , which doth not commit sin , for he was but under the administration of the law , which doth not make perfect as pertaining to the conscience , and paradventure in that state he being erred from god , he did not see any that did not sin ; these things will be plain to some , though perhaps thou may shut thine eye against them , and solomon was not our example in conversation , i am sure , nor hardly in doctine ; and thus i have weighed thy text , which thou seems to say before , i have not weighed , and my principles are proved sound , and thou and thine too light , and the wind of the lord will scatter them . and p. t. confesses , every reall hearted christian may be , and is in scripture called perfect . reply . then wherefore doth he oppose me , who testifies the same thing , and he now confesses even that every reall hearted christian may be , and is called perfect in scripture , and is not he here guilty in that he charged me falsly , pag. the 21. of his last , with going rounds like unto a horse in a mill , who sometimes denies perfection , and sometimes confesseth it , to be attained in this life , but he is forced in the end to confess to the truth , and to justifie me . and also the scripture doth testifie the saints were already perfect and compleat in christ , while they were in the life upon earth , col. 1. though there be a time , wherein all the saints do complain of the body of sin , in their warfare , and travell , yet there is a state also , wherein they have put off the body of sin , and are the servants of righteousness , and free from sin , rom 6.22 . but p. t. shewes little experience in those states , as of the travel under the body of death , and also the victory over it , and so what he speakes , is but by guess from other mens words , and then it is no marvell , if he err in judgment ●nd bring one scripture to contradict another , not having the infallable spirit that gave it forth , nor feeling the states , nor the passing thorrow these conditions declared therein , for there is a time of travelling , and complaining under the body of sin , and its burden , and a time of freedome from it , and victory over it , yea , even in this life upon earth . and wheras i said in my last , many of the saints daily receive more and more of gods wisdome , and of his power and life , revealed in them , wherein they grow up to gods from strength , to strength : now saith he , but whether he doth not own some to have attained so high , that there can be no addition , is a query , my soul , ( saith he ) has not been able to enter into his secrets , in this thing , because my words were , many of the saints , &c. reply ▪ my first words , it seemes he cannot contradict , but owns them to be true , so i need not defend them , only he supposeth a question , in which there is not much edification to be answered , and i have no secrets , in what i spake , for to the children of light , my words are plain , though to p. t. and such they may be parrables , and secrets ; but as for my own particular , i now here answer the question , and further reply , i do grow up in wisdome , and knowledge daily , and never knew so much of p. t. deceit , as now i do , since , and at that dispute , ( the ground of this our debate ) so i thought good to let him know , that i do grow in truth , which doth daily discover more and more , deceite in him , and them that opposes truth , and so also growes in the knowledge of his error of judgement , and ignorance , that i may condemne it , and judge it . and whereas , i said the light , which every man is lightned withal by christ , is sufficient , to bring up every man to believe in christ , that loves the light and walks in it , and unto such is grace added , and increased daily , &c. as in the 16 pag. of my first , more appears . in opposition to this , to over throw it , as he supposes , he hath nominated that scripture , 1 cor. 2.14 . the natural man perceives not the things of the spirit of god , for they are foolishness to him , neither can he know them , because they are spiritually discrened , &c. reply . now my words are true , and no contradiction to the apostles words , except to such as are blind , that cannot discern between light and darkness , and such will judge falsly , and out of an evill mind make an appearance of seeming difference , where there is none , for the light , that lighteth every man that comes into the world , is christ , john 1.9 . and that christ the light that lighteth every man that comes into the word , is sufficient to bring every man , that loves the light , and walks in it , to believe in christ ; these are my words , and the intent of my mind , and would any man , that were not stark blind , make any opposition against this doctrine , or bring a scripture to prove the contrary ? which scripture i own , and doth no way contradict , for the natural man doth not perceive the things of god , nor know them ; yet this is not contrary to what i say , that christ jesus lighteth every man that comes in the world , which light , ( christ ) is sufficient , and he changeth men from natural to spiritual , as they are brought to beleeve in christ that hath lightned them ; and he opposes me , as if i should say , or hold forth that the natural man perceives , and knows the things of god , and that the natural man hath faith ; which i never spoke , nor entered into my mind to say ; so he hath drawn his evill consequence from my words , and then confounded his own conception ; but my words remains untouched , for my saying and intent is , that christ lighteth every man that comes into the world , and his light is sufficient , to give faith , and to change a man , from natural to spiritural , and to give him the perceiving and knowledge of the things of god , and of his spirit ; and my words , nor intent is no contradiction to the apostles words , though p. t. falsly judged so , for want of better understanding , i suppose rather than through subtilty at this turn ; and thus my principle is proved sound , and the title of his book a lie . and whereas i said , that christ wrought righteousness perfectly without us , and also fulfils righteousness in all that believes , and no man is justified by one of these , without the other , or that hath not the other , pag. 12. of my first . he saith , whether i do not confound justification , and sanctification , he leaves all rational men to judge , &c. reply . that christ wrought righteousness without us , is not denied by him , nor that he fulfils the righteousness of the law in the saints , he cannot well deny , let him read rom 8.4 . and that no man is justified by the righteousness that christ wrought without , who beleeves not , nor is converted to god , but in the power of satan ; this all the children of god beleeves , and knowes , that none are justified , by christs righteousness without , but who are converted to god and hath received christ , and he is in them , for else they are reprobates , and not justified ; and so i am not ashamed of my principle , though he would slander it , to be too light , for he that hath not christ , gods righteousness within him , is a reprobate , and not justified , by any righteousness without ; neither do i confound justification , and sanctification , which he falsly charges me with , for they are one in christ , for he is made unto us sanctification and justification , and the man , that is in the pollutions of the world , unsanctified , is not justified , but condemned , so none are justisted by a righteousness without them , but them that are sanctified by him within ; this i own , and do not deny , and men that are in the save corrupt reason , with him must not i be judged by , and also i do justifie , if any work be wrought by us , in the strength and power of grace , and not in our own strength , then it is the work of christ in us , the work of gods own righteousness , and that no work or word is justified , but what the spirit of christ , leads unto ; and though p. t. ignorantly commenteth upon these words , yet are they words of truth and righteousness , and all that he saies against them , proves not the contrary . and whereas , i did ask him , which he had ignorantly affirmed in his relation ; vvhether that righteousness which christ works in us , in his strength and power , and not in our own , is called our righteousness ? which he seems to answer , but he hath mis-understood my words , for i meant not ours by enjoyment , but ours in the sence the prophet speaks , when he said our righteousness is as filthy raggs ; i know the righteousness that christ works in us , by his spirit , and the power of his grace , is ours by enjoyment in the second adam , as the gift of god to us , but not ours in the first adam , in the righteousness of the law , in the state not converted , and that was the strength of my query , where that righteousness wrought in us , by the spirit and strength of christ , and not in our own , is called our righteousness , ours as in the first adam ; but i see thou hast not understood the meaning of my query , for weakness of understanding , and then how should thou rightly answer it . also i queried , how christ working righteousness in us , by the power of grace , not by our own strength , can be called the righteousness of the law , which he had affirmed ; now i meant the righteousness of the law in the flesh , and not in the spirit , i know the working of christ , both in us , to will , and to do , by his spirit , and strength , and power of grace , is the fulfilling the righteousness of the law by christ in us ; but it is not the righteousness of the law in the flesh wrought by us , as unborn again ; but to this thou hast not answered , but hast answered thy own conceiving , and not the innocency of my queries . and whereas he stumbles , and is offended , because i said , no man is justified in any word , or work , but what they are lead unto by the spirit , and those words and works the spirit leads unto , are justified , and no other words or works , and from this he would falsely conjecture , i hold a justification by works ; and by something without , or besides that which christ wrought without . i say no , by the deeds of the law , shall no flesh living be justified , but yet he that moveth and leadeth into words and works of truth , and righteousness , the same doth justifie the creature in the words and works which he is lead unto , and this is not in opposition to the apostles words , which he seems to bring against me , rom. 5.8 , 9. whiles we were sinners , christ dyed for us , much more being justified by his blood , we shall be saved from the wrath ; this is not contrary to what i say , for we do own the blood of jesus to justifie , but yet not such who are not cleansed by it , and lead by the spirit into all truth , but it is they that are justified only who are lead into all truth by the spirit , such are justified by his blood in the spirit , and saved from wrath , who are born of the immortal word , but they that remain in sin are not justified , nor saved from wrath . then he queries , vvhether i shut pardon of sin out of doors ? i answer no , for they that are lead into all truth by the spirit , their sins are pardoned and forgiven , and remembred no more , but blotted out , and cannot be read , for they are cleansed from it , and commits not sin ; then he asks , vvhether i grant two formal causes of iustification , the one forgiveness of sin , the other inherent righteousness ; i say , both the cause and the work of righteousness is in god , his free love and mercy , which is over all his works , and they receive the work of it , and the gift of it that are lead by the spirit , as the effect thereof , and none else , though he ask , vvhether forgiveness of sin hath its rice from what christ works in us ▪ or from what christ hath done and suffered for us ? i say , whatsoever christ hath done , and suffered without man , while man hath not received christ , nor the work of christ in him , but remains in the first adam , in transgression , the true work and ground of justification , he knows not , nor hath not , neither knows the mediatorship between god and him ; then in the conclusion of this matter , p.t. saith , thus far to sh●w , e. b. and the truth are not so well agreed , but he that cleaves to one must forsake the other , &c. reply . hold friend , come back again , what hast thou proved yet any thing against me , save that i hold the truth : thou hast drawn a conclusion too soon , without sound evidence , and thou must not be judge in thy own cause ; neither hast thou proved me and the truth to disagree ever a whit , as just men may judge ; it appears thou art the man that seems to be righteousness in thy own eye , and justifies thy self , and would condemn the righteous ; and though thou say , we do not agree , viz. e. b. and the truth , yet thou hast not , nor never is able to prove it , for all that are sanctified are justified , and none are justified , but them that are sanctified , though not as a cause , yet as the fruit and effect , which will appear in that man that is justified . the next thing he observes , whereas i said , it is true , a publick dispute i had , the time and place mentioned , with a company of priests , and this same ph. taverner was one of them , &c. first , p. t. in answer to this hath pleaded for the honourable name of priests . reply . yea , the name is honourable ; who are come to the priesthood that was made after the power of an endless life , to which p.t. and the generation of priests are not yet come as they make manifest ; but that priesthood was not my meaning , neither did i speak scornfully and reproachfully against any that labour in the ministry of the word , as he falsely charges me , line 34 , 35. but the people might know who i meant by that word priest , for ministers of the gospel , i could not call them that are not so , without offence to my conscience , because i am taught to speak the truth in all things ; but priests i may call them , such i mean as disputed against christ , and spake against him , the priests that were subverted from gods law , and that are persecutors of the innocent , such priests i mean , and lawfully and truly such priests i may call them ; and as for labouring in the ministry of the word , which he signifies as if they did ; do not they labour to get peoples money , and tithes , the tenth of corn and hay , and eggs , and pigs , and stipends so much a year , or so much a sermon ; if it be not thus with some at least , let the country thereabouts judge ; and what was the meaning that p. t. himself was about removing from one parish to another , a little while since , except for money and hire ; tell not of the ministry of the vvord , till ye repent and reform your selves by denying your hire , and tithes , and old papish waies , and houses called your churches , and all your practises of popish priests , for your garments yet smel hereof , and your wages give evidence that you are of the stock of the papish priests , priests that persecuted christ to death , & not of the stock of the priests truly called & ordained under the law , keeping the covenant , nor yet priests in the gospel administration , for i know you deserve not the title of priests , upon neither of these accounts ; and as for scorning , with which thou chargest me ; thy charge is false , yet am i brought to glory in the lord over all the false prophets , and deceivers , rejoycing with a holy derision , even as the virgin , the daughter of sion despised and laughed to scorn , sennacherib , isai. 37.22 . and in no other sence . and whereas i said to the people about draton , concerning their teachers , cease , o cease from your teachers without you , and hearken to the voice of the lord , from them who are dumb shepheards , and preach for hire , that take gifts and rewards for preaching , &c. as in the 17 , and 18 pages of my first ; to this he saith , and queries , vvhy am i a teacher of them called quakers , and saith my charge is high , but do not i charge it salsely upon some who are as far from the guilt of it as my self , and thus he goes on , page 19. reply . good reason i have to bid you cease from all their teachers without , even as the prophet , isa. 55.1 , 2. i answer i am no such kind a teacher as preaches for hire , and divines for money , and for great gifts and rewards , and that doth make merchandice of souls , yet am i one that turns people from darkness to light , and from satans power to god , and to the annointing , that it may dwell in them , that they may need no man to teach them ; and such were the apostles , and them that are sent of christ ; but such teachers i would have them to cease from , where people are alwaies learning , and never able to come to the knowledg of the truth , 2 tim. 3. and such teachers are you about draton , as well doth appear , and between these two kind of teachers there is a great difference ; and though my charge is high , yet is it just , and i charge none falsely herein , for who can clear themselves from the guilt of it , of that generation , if any , i condemn them not ; but can p.t. do it ? ask his neighbours , hath not he sums of money by the year , tythes , or other wages for preaching ? try him , give him nothing for a year or two , and then if he preach to you , and never complain for want of wages , and money , then i will believe he is clear , and then he may better boast than he can now ; and as for divers of that function in that county , they have cast men into prison where they yet lye , and taken suit of them at law , and taken their goods , because some could not for conscience sake give you hire , and tythes , and money ; and are these free , or guilty of my charge ? let the lord judge , and all his saints . he saith , he doth not plead for all who go under the name of ministers in england , he fears there is many of them no better than vvolves in sheeps cloathing , &c. then why doth he not come out and cry against them , but remain amongst them , in their practice , for wherein can he clear himself of any one thing which they are guilty of , which he confesses are vvolves in sheeps cloathing ; was not his call the same with theirs ? and is not his practice in ministery and maintenance generally the same with theirs ? if he have ought to say to clear himself , we will answer further , otherwise all men shall judge , that while he accuseth some of englands ministers to be vvolves in sheeps cloathing , himself is found also guilty , except i say he can make appear a perfect difference between his call , practice , and maintenance , and theirs , which he is never able to do , or to justifie , that he is not of the same nature , and by the same spirit , but contrary to theirs that he accuses , and fears to be vvolves in sheeps cloathing , and i have as much ground to suspect him to be one of the wolves in sheeps cloathing , as he hath ground to suspect his own companions , and generation to be such ; and in that he saith some of the quakers have been found guilty of blasphemy , and that some of them are found vain , light persons , or heady , and high minded ; he doth here secretly charge and prove nothing , for blasphemy we are come out of , and have denied all lightness after the flesh , and high-mindedness , and if any such come among us , they are denied , and are not of us till they be converted to god , and turned from all evill ; but this his secret charge against others , is but that himself may seem clear ; then he asks , are all guilty of preaching for hire , and divining for money , &c. and he bids me not condemn the generation of the righteous , and then confesses , they take that which the state allows , or that which they have given by persons , and justifies it , and saith he , it is not a preaching for hire , &c. page 19 of his last . reply . all that i charge to be guilty are so , for i charge not the guiltless , but ask the country people ; ask them how many of their teachers are clear , and hath not money , tyths , or other things for preaching ; and i have taken heed of condemning the righteous ; and yet dare not let the guilty go unjudged and unreproved ; and therefore them i do reprove ; and now in the end he hath justified preaching for hire , though he in the same page seemed to deny it ; but whether is that a maintenance according to gospel ministery ; as practised in the dayes of christ and his apostles ; or whether that comes not under the account of preaching for hire , in taking gifts of the state , and gifts of persons , which thou justifies ; no such maintenance did christ alow to his ministers as to take sums of money yearly for preaching , nor such things never were justified by christ : but into whatsoever house you enter , eat such things as are set before you , saith christ : and that is balaams practices , to take gifts of the state ; or of great men , for he would have taken the gift of balaac ; so by their own account the best sort of englands teachers , ( for some of them thou pleads not for ) goes for gifts and rewards , as the false brethren did in the daies of the apostle ; for though you would seem to clear them of preaching for hire ; yet hast thou proved them guilty , of preaching for gifts and rewards ; and is not their taking gifts from the state , and persons , which thou justifies , a perfect preaching for gifts and rewards , as ever the false brethren , which the true apostls declared against ; and so out of thy own mouth , they are proved such , ( even the best of them which thou vindicates ) as goes in balaams way , preaching for gifts and rewards ; and is it not time now for people to cease from you , who are found by thy own confession , in balaams way , and the way of the false apostles ; preaching for gifts and rewards from persons , and from the state ; and so out of thy own mouth i am justified ; and your selves condemned . then whereas i said , who are dumb shepheards , which do not gather you to god , &c. and he saith , there are many who lift up their voyce as a trumpet to tell people of their sins , &c. reply . it appears true through all the nation , that people are not gathered to god , for doth not wickedness a bound , and people shew forth an unconverted state , and what though many may out of hypocrisie , and for ends to themselves , cry against sin in others , and live themselves in the same , people hereby is not profi●ed at all ; for such as have run , and not been sent , doth not profit the people , for while themselves live in that which they cry against in others , the power of the lord is not with them , to convert sinners ; but for a better discovery of the teachers of this generation , i refer the reader to a book , called , a just and lawful tryal of the teachers , &c. wherein they are set forth what they are at large . the next thing he hath observed ; is where i charged him in my last , to have given a relation of much more than he spake , said i ; i believe four times as much ; and much less then i spake at that dispute ; & at this he seems to be offended , yet confesseth himself guilty , but not guilty so much as four times ; well , but many that were there present who have not forgotten the matter , may truly seal to my charge in this particular ; & he seems not to clear himself at all , but is forced to confess himself guilty by silence , that he related not so much by far as i spoke ; and yet called his relation a faithful account ; but was thereby proved unfaithful , though now he would seem to cover himself and blame me , for charging him too deeply ; but my words remains true upon him ; that his former work , was neither perfect nor altogether honest ; and in this he hath no whit amended it , but the rather made his weakness more manifest , as the honest reader may judge . then whereas i charged him , with a vain , light scornful spirit , because his first book he called , the quakers rounds , and he would excuse himself from my charge , & saies , that it was a name according to the nature , &c. reply . my charge on him was true , for his title did savour of a scornful spirit , for the name quakers , was given in scorn and derision , and he to that end do use it ; and as for going rounds , of which he speaks , himself is the most guilty ; as before i have shewed ; in denying a thing and then confessing it . and whereas i charged , that his former was not a faithful account , though he called it so ; & i proved my charge which he is not able to remove , that it was an unequal and false account , by relating much more then himself spoke , and much less then i spoke ; and this he confesses still , and that i am sure made it a false account and untrue , and he clears not himself of it ; though he say , christ spoke many things at several times which are not particularly related ; yet lukes relation , and iohns relation was true , &c. riply . their relation was true , in that wherein they took in hand to relate , they did relate truly ; but he hath t●ken in hand to relate , that which he hath not done truly , as in my first , i did make appear , as may be seen , it s called , something of truth made manifest ▪ &c. to which i refer the reader , to understand more of p. t. his folly ; and the manifestation of truth . and wheeras he again charged the quakers , with a spirit of jeering , and scorns and jeers are not a fruit of the spirit , saith he , &c. reply . he here again charges falsly ; for we know that scorning and jeers after the flesh are not works of the spirit , nor fruits of it ; but that we have denyed and it s cast out ; neither do we scorn , or jeer any , saving as in isa. 37.22 . then he no less then confesses his wrong dealing , who in his last , changed r. g. word , from called , to owned ; which word is of much consequence in that place ; but would cover r. g. by saying , that r. g. did not undertake to prove the scriptures considered as meer writings ; but the thing contained in the scriptures , to be the word of god , &c. reply . here p. t. hath endeavoured to mend the matter , by his conception and meaning , given to r. g. words ; now the words of r. goodgroom was , he said , he would prove the letter , the word ; and upon that brought his argument ; and is not the letter meer writings , and nothing else ; but when they see they cannot make good their own words , then they turn of , the strength of reproof , by , they meant so , or they meant so , and no man ever yet could , or can prove in all the scriptures , that the letter ( the writings ) are called the word ; but as i still confessed , that which is written of , is the word , and the writings are the words that declares of the word , which was in the beginning ; but p. t. would fain reconcile this difference between us ; say they , the writings , the letter are the word ; say i , that which is written of , is the word , now betwixt these are great difference , as spiritual men may judge ; as much as between a dead trumpet , and a liveing breath sounded through it ; nay , its hard to reconcile that which is contrary in nature , they must leave preaching for money , and cease to take tythes and gifts for preaching , before i can be at unity , and another birth must speak and live in them , and that which now lives in them must be slain , and their crown laid down , before reconciled i can be to them or they to me , though i have no envy against persons , more then the saints had with them that opposed the truth , nor no weapon shall i use against them ; saving that that is spiritual , and the sword that goes out of the lambs mouth , and all the many scriptures which he quotes p● . 23. doth neither say nor signifie , that the letter ( the writings ) are the word ; or so called , though moses , deut. 5.5 . said , he would shew them the word of the lord ; did he then shew them the letter , the writings , the scripture ; i say no , therefore he did not call the writings and the letter , the word of god as you affirmed , and seeks now to prove ; but thou perverts scripture , and proves nothing to purpose , and though many times the word of the lord came to such a prophet , and such a prophet , as thou hast proved , in hosea , ioel , and others ; yet did the writings , and the letter come to them ; or that which the letter and writings declares of ; let wise men judge , that nor all thou canst say , doth prove that the writings , the letter , is the word of god , or that ever any of the holy men of god called them so ; so that till better proof be given which i never expect ; i need not revoke any thing that i have said contrary , viz. that the letter and writings are the word , or by the holy men of god so called , but still i say the writings , and letter are not the word ; but the thing written of , is the word of god , that lives for ever . then in that i charged r. goodgroom with saying , when i had my bible in my hand at the dispute , i had the thing signified in my hand , said he ; which thing p. t. in his first relation had much falcified , but now he seems to acknowledg the thing , and excuses it , by supposing it was a slip of his tongue , the highest matter of offence in it ; as for the words , not only my self but divers others do well remember them spoken by r. g. thy fellow disputant , and had he or you then confessed a slip of the tongue , it had gone no further , but in that thou in thy first relation , gave a wrong account thereof , and had laid down the thing quite otherwise then he spoke it , this made the matter more a transgression , and thy account to be false ; neither am i ready to catch words from the mouth of my apponent , as thou charges me , but that charge is justified against me and the truth , i must needs make use of it , to shew the folly of such men , that will so do , even out of their own mouths often , and by their own words , to confound them , and would thou have me to give away a just cause through n●glect of hearing and taking notice of such foul words , as to say , i had the thing in my hand that was signified of in the bible , when i had the bible in my hand ; and so set deceit a top on me , for want of repoving evil ; i am otherwise taught , do thou judge what thou wil● ; and herein my principles are found to agree with the scriptures , for it saith , a man shall be justified by his words , and by his words shall he be condemned . and as for my answers to his queries , raised from some words of mine written in a book , called , the standard , &c. my answer saist thou , is little else then asserting the same thing over again , &c. now i say its needless here , to transcribe the queries and answers over again , but let them be looked in my first booke iled , something of truth made manifest , &c where it may be seen that my answers are sufficient , and laid down to the satisfaction of all reasonable men that desires to be resolved ; though thou say , there is as little evidence of truth in the last , as in the first ; but doth not at all discover the falsness of them in any particular , which had been right for thee to have done , and not to have charged evil in general upon my answers , and prove nothing ; but who will believe him except such as takes his words for an oracle , for them that have received the good undestanding cannot believe him . then in the conclusion , he charges me with harsh kind of censoriousness ; because i said , what can be in the heart of such a man that can draw so bad consequence from such upright words ; when in his former he had concluded , that i held forth giddy doctrine , and weakned the authority of scriptures to beget undervaluing thoughts of them , and such like , because i had affirmed the truth , in saying , the divel and pharoah spoke something that 's written in scripture , and had i not reason to question what is in his heart , who had the boldness , without fear to conclude so evil against me as he did , not proving the contrary to what i said ; and in that i did charge darkness and blindness upon him , so i do and may still till he repent , for doth he not accuse me falsly in many things , as in saying my principles are too light , &c. but proves not particularly his charge ; and in his first book accused us , as if we had a pope in our bellies , which words are both lies , and scornful ; and are not these things true signs that he is in darkness and blindness ; and so my charge is not false upon him . then he saith he will not judge e. b. hastily , &c. answer , hath not thou falsly judged me already in many things , as i have shewed , yea and the lord in time may let thee see , thy judgment is false , and awaken thy conscience to repentance ; and then shalt thou confess i have done thee no wrong , but the wrong dealing lyes at thy door ; so that by what is said , the title of thy book is a lie and utterly false ; which is , some principles of edw burroughs , called a quaker , examined and sound too light . reply . now in this i shall not be judge altogeh●er in my own cause , but leave this to the view of sober men , and require their judgement when they have read this soberly over , what one particular instanced by him , is proved to be unsound or too light , for according to the testimony of the holy men of god in scripture , thereby may i confirm the truth of what i have , and do hold forth ; and to every mans conscience do commend my self to be approved in the sight of god ; and good report or bad report of men i regard not , but treads over them both ; and wherein the truth is wronged i am bound to give my evidence for it , and against its opposers ; and that is the very end of this my present work , to contend for the truth and not for mastery ; though truth doth give me mastery over deceit ; and to hold forth the same faith , light , and truth , which the apostles witnessed before the appostacy , which hath been clouded in all this dark night of appostacy , which hath been over the world , for many ages since the man child was cought up to god , and the woman fled into the wilderness , spoken of in the revelations , but now the light is made manifest , and the glory of the lord is revealing , and the day is dawned , and the night is over to many ; and the subversion of this ministery now in england , is clearly seen from what the ministery of christ was in the dayes of the apostles . and now as concerning this controversie , between phill. taverner , and my self , who ever is not satisfied herewith , but desires a full and true account of the matter , may peruse his first book , called , the quakers rounds , &c. with my first answer , called , something of truth made manifest , in opposition to a false account , &c. and then his second book , called , some principles of edw. burroughs , &c. and then this my last , let them be all read in order and soberly , by such as are not satisfied about the matter , and i doubt not but thereby you may be resolved , who is in the truth and who is in the error , and they may see that my last book he hath not faithfully answered , but passed by many material particulars , and in something hath no way seemed to clear himself of what i have truly charged upon him , but he remains under the guilt of my charge , and to the sight of christ in every mans conscience , and to all whose judgements are thereby guided , i do refer my selfe to be judged , and what i have written , i leave to be judged . and divers other things there are held forth hy phill. taverner , which i have said little to ; but they are recorded as his principles among a great number of the priests and professors , in a book answered , to go a broad , called , the priests and professors principles , and the quakers answer to them ; whereby all that desires further to be satisfied may , in reading many hundreds of particulars , sayings , and affirmations of doctrine , held forth by preaching and print , by the priests , which are answered , and the errour of them shown ; to which i refer my reader to know more , if what i have here written be not enough , for the manifestation of truth is my crown , and life , over all the world . london , 20 , of the seventh month 1658. finis . many strong reasons confounded, which would hinder any reasonable man from being a quaker and offences taken out of the way, but particularly foure and twenty arguments overturned and confuted, put forth and sent into the world by richard baxter, a professed minister, but a frequent contenter against the ways of god ... / ... by ... e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30532 of text r14497 in the english short title catalog (wing b6011a). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 60 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 12 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30532 wing b6011a estc r14497 12033888 ocm 12033888 52856 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30532) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 52856) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 861:18) many strong reasons confounded, which would hinder any reasonable man from being a quaker and offences taken out of the way, but particularly foure and twenty arguments overturned and confuted, put forth and sent into the world by richard baxter, a professed minister, but a frequent contenter against the ways of god ... / ... by ... e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. [2], 21 p. printed for thomas simmons ..., london : 1657. reproduction of original in huntington library. attributed to edward burrough. cf. bm. eng society of friends -doctrines -early works to 1800. a30532 r14497 (wing b6011a). civilwar no many strong reasons confounded, which would hinder any reasonable man from being a quaker; and offences taken out of the way. but particular burrough, edward 1657 12274 13 0 0 0 0 0 11 c the rate of 11 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the c category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 spi global keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-07 judith siefring sampled and proofread 2004-07 judith siefring text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-10 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion many strong reasons confounded , which would hinder any reasonable man from being a quaker ; and offences taken out of the way . but particularly , foure and twenty arguments over turned and confuted ; put forth and sent into the world by richard baxter , a professed minister ; but a frequent contender against the wayes of god : and this is an answer to a sheet of his cryed up and down the streets in london as some excellent piece : but is proved to be full of lies , slanders and false reproaches against an innocent people ; and this is sent forth in the pursuit thereof , that people may not be deceived with every lying monster vvhich is brought forth to publike view ; but first let all things be tryed , and onely that which is good held fast . and this is for the satisfaction of honest people by a friend , e. b. london , printed for thomas simmons at the bull and mouth neer aldersgate , 1657. many strong reasons confounded , which would hinder any reasonable man from being a quaker , and offences taken out of the way , &c. how long shall it be ere the wickednesse of the wicked come to an end , and the measure of this generations iniquity be fulfilled , who rush into iniquity as a horse into the battel , and who hastens to fill up the largest measure of iniquity of any generation that ever went before ? is it not plain and manifest to all people that have but an eye to see ? how doth the wicked run on greedily , drinking up iniquity as an oxe drinks water ? how doth the archers of babylon shoot at the innocent , and makes the harmless their prey ? but this is but fot a moment , the end thereof is nigh , and because the devils time is but short , therefore he is come down in rage , and hath filled the hearts of many people with raving envie and despite against the lord and his people , whom the lord is a gathering out of the mouths of all their enemies ; and the serpents seed it bruiseth the heele , but its head is deadly wounded by the seed of god . and whereas many hath set themselves in opposition against the lord , and their work is become a stinck and a proverb to be laughed at in generations to come , yet must not the wicked cease their wickedness til their measure be perfectly accomplished . and whereas richard baxter , a professed minister in worcestershire , known to many by his fruits to be a corrupt tree which brings not forth good fruit , who sends out of his study lyes and false reports , and vain arguments to blind the eyes of people that they may not see the truth , and hath written once and again against the people of god , which he in scorn calls quakers , some of which writings hath been sufficiently answered , and his shame and folly seen openly by all people ; yet he ( as a man not weary of wickednesse ) hath sent forth a paper , which he calls , a sheet against the quakers ; wherein what was wanting of wickednesse in his former , is now fully brought forth out of his vessel , ( a malicious heart ) which cannot contain within it self its rage , and fury , and madness against the innocent : but needs must his folly break forth openly , that all men may see it : and in this his foolish paper he hath twenty four reasons , which he saith , moves him to conceive that no christian or reasonable man should be a quaker , or approve of , or excuse their way ; now his reasons we shall try . but first of all i say , it had been more honest for him to have made a sufficient reply to have defended his former works , and cleared himself of his former lyes and slanders truly charged against him , then to have past that slightly , and begin a-new to revile ; for that book which he often mentions and boasts of , callled , the quakers catechism , was sufficiently answered , and his folly laid open , by a friend to the truth , in a book called , an answer to the quakers catechism , to which book he never equally replyed to this day , which had been more honest to have cleared himself from what is truly charged against him in that answer , then to have begun afresh to reproach and speak wickednesse ; and this all people may consider of . 1. his first reason which he brings forth against the quakers , is , that they deny and revile the churches and ministers of christ ; and yet saith he cannot tel indeed of any church or ministry which is to be preferred before those that they do despise . answ. to this i answer , that is utterly false ; for we do not deny the church and ministers of christ , nor do revile them , or any others whatsoever , but speaks the truth in nakedness to all people : the church of christ we own , and are of it , which are gathered out of the world through the preaching of the gospel , and seperated from the world and all its works and wayes , which are evil , and are joined to christ the head , in the spirit , and one to another as members of christ ; and these are born again , and are redeemed out of the world , and are of the kingdom of christ , and of his church , and members of his body , and this we own to be a church , and are of it , who hath no fellowship with darknesse , nor no part with the practice of the workes of darknesse . and the ministers of christ we own , who have received the gift of the ministry by the holy ghost , and exerciseth that gift by the holy ghost , whose call is from god , and their work of god , and their end alone his glory , such we own to be ministers of christ , and doth not revile or deny ( as he falsly saith ) such a church , and such ministers of christ ; but this we do , and without offence to god too , we do deny and bear our witness against such a people who professeth themselves to be a church , and yet are in the pride , in the wickedness , and in the evil of this world , and not redeemed , clensed , and seperated from the works and iniquities thereof , such we do reprove for their hypocrisie , even all them that owns a title to a church because they were sprinkled when they were infants , and hath not another ground ; and such who professeth themselves ministers of christ , who hath not received their ministry by the gift of the holy ghost , neither are lead by the spirit of christ , but are such as christ and the apostles declared against , such we cannot own to be ministers of jesus christ , but doth reprove them , and deny them , even such who preacheth for hire , and hath gifts and rewardt for preaching , and set-places for so much a yeer , these we disown , and yet doth not offend god herein : and this in honesty i do shew to all people what that professed church and professed ministry is which we do deny , and what that church and ministry is which we do set up to be preferred , which is a right ministry , and a right church : and thus his reasonless reason is overturned and confounded , and is found to be no sufficient reason wherefore a man should not be a quaker . 2. his second reason is , no wise man can be a quaker ( saith he ) because their religion is an uncertain thing , and so is not the religion that must save us , &c. i answer , this again is utterly false , and no man that hath gods wisdom would speak it ; for our religion which we professe is a certain thing , and we have openly declared it once and again , and this is it , to believe in christ , and to receive christ , and to be lead by the spirit of christ , and caught in all things to love god with all the heart , and a mans neighbor as himself , and through the power of christ dwelling in man , to do all good , and to be kept from all evil : this in very short is our religion , and it is a very certain and established religion , and this religion we all agree in : and this in short is the substance of our faith , even christ in us , believed on , and received by us : this is the truth , and his lyes is judged ; and if he say this is an uncertain religion , let him give it under his hand , and subscribe to it , and he shall have a further reply . 3. his third reason is , no man of reason ●hould be a quaker , considering that amongst those scraps of their religion which is made known , there is so much notorious falshood and ungodlinesse , saith he . ans. let all christian people mark this his reason , they are even lyes heaped one upon another : what secret slanders are these behinde our backs , who never would clear himself of what is truly charged against him in answer to his catechism ? his words are turned by as utter lyes : for that which we profess and practice for religion , which we have made known by word and writing , is , uprightness , godliness , sincerity and truth , and neither notorious falshood , nor ungodliness , as he wickedly saith : and why did not he make it appear what this notorious falshood and ungodliness had been ? that had been more honest then to cast his charges and prove nothing . and whereas he saith , the very person of christ iesus many of them doth blaspheme , &c. this is utterly false , for jesus christ have we owned and believed in onely , and for his sake we do , and suffer hard things . 4. his fourth reason is , saith he , because their false pernicious doctrines , their practical religion doth much consist in most notorious wicked injujustice and uncharitableness , &c. ans. here is lye upon lye uttered , and wickedness joyned to wickedness , and drunk up as an oxe drinks up water , and no conscience made thereof by richard baxter ; it had been just to have mentioned these pernicious doctrines , their practical religion , injustice , and uncharitableness , and not to have slandered in the dark : but we are delivered by the lord from all pernicious doctrines and notorious wickedness whatsoever , and we find this false reproacher guilty himself and his people , of what he accuseth the innocent : and so his words are 〈◊〉 unto himself , and upon his own head i turn them . ● ▪ his fifth reason is , the worst of all , saith he , is , that they behave themselves like malignant enemies to the very church , and gospel , and servants of iesus christ , &c. ans. this man speaks as if he had sold himself wholly to lye : but my answer to his first reason is sufficient to answer this also , and doth say , that the cause , and the church , and the gospel and servants of iesus christ we do fully and freely own , and are daylie exercised therein as the very servants of iesus , and are friends thereof in our hearts , and doth not behave our selves in any way as enemies thereunto : god will judge every lying tongue , and shall condemn our false accusers guilty of that which they charge the guiltless , to reprove and bear witness against the wild , wicked , and rude conversations , and against such as have gotten the saints words , and by art frame an hours discourse thereupon for so much a sermon , or so much a yeer , to deny such to be a church of christ , and ministers of christ , this we do , and doth not behave our selves like enemies to the church , or gospel , or ministers and servants of christ , as our adversary wickedly saith . 6. his sixth reason , saith he , that part of the quakers peculiar religion which consists not in error and malignant impudency , is made up very much of it of childish and unreasonable foppery , &c. ans. as i have said , no part of our religion consists in error and malignant impudency , and as for that which he calls childish and unreasonable foppery , we stand not to mans judgement , for it is a small thing with us for to be judged of any man ; for we do acknowledge that we are become fools for christs sake , and herein we have cause to glory , though he upbraid us with it ; and it was such as he who called paul a babler , and that his doctrine was madness , as he saith ours in foppery ; and let him know , that which is foolishnesse with man , is wisdom with god ; and we know god will confound the wisest of men by that which they may judge to be foolish , & unreasonable , & foppery ; for to such who are lost our gospel is hid , where the god of this world hath blinded their eye , as it is plain he hath done this our adversaries , and that is the reason wherefore he hath sent forth such lying scribbles from his study of wicked inventions ; and let him make the best use of his wisdom he can , he can but serve the devil with it , while his wisdom is sensual and divillish : and let him leave us to our childishnesse and folly , and let the issue prove whether is the safer guide . 7. his seventh reason is , saith he , their malignancy doth blinde them to make that the principal cause of their rage and reviling the ministry which is plainly agreeable to the will of god , and necessary to the churches good . ans. this is false also ; we are not blinded , but doth see richard baxter , and all such , to be out of the way of truth and peace : and as for rage , and reviling against the ministers , that is false also , though indeed we do openly reprove deceivers ; and we know it is not agreeable to the will of god , and necessary to the churches good , though he saith it is , for ministers of christ to take tythes , or to have a 〈◊〉 ●●intenance ; for never none of the ministers of christ that we read of in scripture , either took tythes to maintain them , or had a set-maintenance ; but all that christ allows to his ministers , is to eat such things as were set before them . and in that he saith , we liken them to covetous priests among the iews , that is true ; to whom should we liken them but to them that practised the same things as they do ? and i am sure there never was priests in any generation that were more covetous then these of england are , as in many particulars might be shewed ▪ for as the false prophets in israel did , so do these in many things ; and what the ministers of christ did , these do not : and whereas he pleads for tythes , never minister of christ did in the gospel-administration claim the tenth of peoples labours , nor none of the ministers of christ were maintained by tythes , but lived of the gospel which they preached , which livelyhood was not great sums of money , and compelling some of it too from the people by a law ; but the churches ministered to the apostles necessities , whom the apostles had begotten to the faith , and planted them as a vinyard , and kept them as a flock : but the maintenance of the priests of england is another case , they must have so much a yeer , and people is bound to pay them , and sometimes so much a sermon ; and they maintain themselves in idlenesse , and fulnesse , and pride , and spend the creation more then upon their necessities : but he saith concerning tythes , that tythes are the churches , and not the peoples , and by the law of the land too . what the law of the land requires , which is just , we do own , and do not resist it , but obey it ; but what the law of the land commands , which is contrary to the law of god , as the law is which commands to pay tythes ; we cannot be obedient to it ; for we read in the hebrews , that law which commanded to pay tythes , & take tythes in the old covenant , is put to an end , and christ the second priesthood established , and the priesthood being changed , there was a necessity of change of the law also which upheld the priesthood : then whence is that law of the land which commands tythes of god , or ootherwise ? judge ye , seeing the scripture saith , the commandment going before ( viz. that gave tythes ) is disannulled . 8. his eighth reason , the quakers way is too cruel and uncharitable to be the way of god , they damn ( saith he ) the most humble , holy , faithful servants of god , to whom god hath promised life , &c. answ. this is not the least of his lyes , our way is christ , and is neither cruel nor uncharitable , but pure , and holy , and zealous against all sin , and cannot bear and suffer iniquity , but reproves it ; neither do we damn any , but warns all to repent , to be humble and lowly , that they may have the promise of life ; and we sharply reprove sin , and deceivers , and deceit , and this makes the men of this generation mad , and calls it cruel and uncharitable , whenas we do but warn them of their sins ▪ shewing them if they live in sin they perish , and if they repent and turn to god , they shall be saved ; and god hath given us the spirit of discerning , and by their fruits we do know a child of god from a child of the devil , and herein do establish the gospel , and not repeal it , though he falsly saith so ; neither do we condem any who fear the lord , in any thing they do , or speake in his fear , but with such we have unity , who walks in uprightness in the midst of a malicious world , and perverse generation , as this is . 9. his nineth reason , saith he , after all their sins they most impudently 〈◊〉 a sinlesse perfection , &c. ans. what such as are in darknesse doth conceive of us , and so utters , it matters not ; but many of us do witnesse that christ hath done away our sins , and in him we are compleat through faith , in which we are perfect without sin , and it is not of our selves ; and that perfection we exhort all to presse after , that they may be perfect in christ jesus without sin ▪ and he saith , they themselves desire a sinlesse perfection , and 〈◊〉 it is their command and duty , and yet saith it is an impudent 〈◊〉 in us to professe that which himself confesseth they desire , and is their command and duty ; and this is great confusion , and comes out of babylons store : and though he would falsly suppose that the quakers suppose to have no need of christ , and saith he , they dare ( it seems ) say they will not be beholding to god , or to the blood of christ for the pardon of sin ; but these are his foolish imaginations , for we are beholding to christ , and to his blood onely , which hath clensed us from all sin , and by it our sins and trespasses are blotted out , and forgiven : and we do not think highly of our selves , though he impudently chargeth it upon us , and hath bent his tongue for lyes , and made them his refuge and strong reasons . 10. his tenth reason , that we do in many doctrines so openly comply with the papist , that people may see plainly that the iesuits and fryars are our leaders ; and he saith , this hath been proved by many confessions , &c. answ. the papist we utterly deny , their doctrines , their wayes , and whatsoever savours of popery , and are not lead by any other but by jesus christ , as our lives and doctrines doth make appear to all that have an eye to see ; it 's true we may be falsly slandered and accused by richard baxter , and by the priests and the wicked people of the world , for it is enough for us to be as our master christ , who was called a devil ; and as was he , so are we slandered and accused in this and many other things : but that ever it was proved that we are led by jesuits and fryars , this is one of our adversaries slanders he hath once and again accused us , but he never proved it , though now he saith , the papists make the scriptures a dead letter , and no rule of faith , and so do we : the papist cryes down our church and ministers , ( saith he ) the iesuites cryes up free-will and sufficient grace to all , and a common sufficient light to all , and so do we ( saith he : ) the papist extenuate imputed righteousnesse in setting up inherent righteousnesse : and the papist place most in external abstenances and observances , and so do we , saith he , &c. to all this i answer , what is truth we hold and maintain in the power of god , and may not deny it , though the papists may hold the same in words , which seldom they do ; for we hold the truth for the truths sake , and dare not deny the truth , though the devil confesse it in words ; but he hath falsly compared us with the papists and jesuites , for we do not hold free-will in the creature , neither do we extenuate imputed righteousnesse , neither do we place most in external abstenances and observances , herein richard baxter hath belyed us : but what if i should measure him by his own rule , and should say that the jesuites and fryars are his leaders ? why , because the papists say christ was born of mary , and did many miracles , & dyed , being crucified of the jews , & was buryed , and rose again , and so doth richard baxter say , and all the presbyterians in england , and therefore may we conjecture , they do but prepare people to be papists , or open infidels , as he saith concerning us . but further , the papists say that sprinkling infants is baptizing into the faith of christ , and they say none must be free from sin while they are upon earth , and they cry against heresie and error , and thus doth richard baxter and his company , and therefore by his own arguments he may be judged that the jesuites and fryars are his leaders , and that he prepares people to be papists ; but i will not be so uncharitable to judge him 〈◊〉 by this rule , as he hath falsly done us , though i do know in the sight of god there is a greater concurrence in doctrine , and practice , and conversation , between many of our accusers and the papists , then there is between the papists and us , and the light of christ in all consciences shall answer me in the day of gods righteous judgements , and the papists and him we do deny , and see them to be of one spirit , though differing in appearances ; and what we are it is by grace , and not of our selves ; and what we do it is through christ , and not by our selves , and to god we appeal for judgement , and tramples upon all mens vain conceivings , false judgements , lyes and slanders , and turns them back to them again where they were hatched . 11. his eleventh reason : he saith , our doctrines are self-contradictory , and therefore they cannot be of god , &c. ans. to this i answer , this is false , our doctrines do agree in one , and are not self-contradictory , though falsly he may judge of this , as he may judge of other things ; if he had been in christs time , likely he would have judged his words self-contradictory , who said , except you eat my flesh , and drink my blood , you have no life in you ; and yet at the same instant of time said , the flesh profiteth nothing ; with many other such instances as might be brought . why , but richard baxter tells you , we say all men have a sufficient light within them , and goes up and down , preaching it with great zeal . this is no more than the apostle iohn did , who told the saints they needed no man to teach them , but as the anointing in them , and yet preached unto them , and wrote epistles to them , but did iohn contradict himself ? let wise men judge . and iohn said christ lighteth every man that comes into the world with the true light ; and no more then he did , do we contradict our seves herein , for we follow the same example , & we say the saints have the annointing in them , and needs no man to teach them , and yet we do exhort them as the apostle iohn did . and he asks , what do we preach , if darknesse , who would have such teachers ? if light , what needlesse labour is this , when all men have sufficient light already , &c. to all this i answer , we preach light that all should believe in it , and thereby should be lead out of darknesse , and the light is sufficient , being believed in by the creature , but all are not lead by it sufficiently , neither doth receive christ : and we may ask him now , and say , if he preach darknesse ( as it is likely he doth , rather then the light , because he smites at preaching the light that hath lighted every man that cometh into the world , and so in effect denies the lord that bought him ) then who would have such a preacher ? but if he preach the light , and not that light which doth enlighten every one that cometh into the world , which is christ , and is sufficient , ( as it seems by his own words he doth not , because he condemns us for it ) then is he a minister of antichrist , according to his own confession . but whatever he judge , we are sent to turn people from darknesse to light , and from the power of satan to the power of god ; and herein we do as the ministers of christ did ; but that wee revile the ministers of christ as blind guides , as saith he , this is false again , but such we bear witnesse against who preacheth for hire , and oppresseth the common-wealth , and are in the steps of the proud pharisees , and all people that follows them are in darknesse as the pharisees were , and in the way of damnation , because they are not in the truth who follows not christ , and yet such people are lightened with the light of christ , and that is their condemnation because they believe not in it , and it is sufficient to the condemnation of all such . 12. his twelfth reason : saith he , consider also how sutable their doctrine is to the interest and pleasure both of the papist and the devil , why , saith he , they damn all the ministers and churches of christ , &c. to this i answer , a lying tongue is but for a moment ; though he makes lyes his refuge , yet shall they be swept away . of the ministers and churches of christ are we , and such as are so , they we own , and are one with them , though this man saith otherwise ; and it doth little appear that our doctrine is sutable to the interest and pleasure of the papists , for we finde them our enemies , and gods enemies , and bears our witnesse against them , as against the devil , and do say that they are his off-spring , and that the priests of england are their off-spring , such as are open lyars especially : but if we should reckon , we should find their doctrine more agreeable to the papists in many things , then ours are , as i have instanced concerning sprinkling of infants , and other things ; but doth it follow that the papists and we agree because the papists declare against them out of cruelty and wickednesse , and out of a murderous mind to divert people into idolatry and wicked superstition ; and we declare against them out of love to peoples souls , that they should not alwayes be deceived , and alwayes learning , and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth ; and hath no other end to ourselves , god is our witnesse , but that people may be converted to the knowledge of god ; & as i said before , though the papists may hold some truth in words , and cry against some sort of people out of a wicked end , yet may not we therefore deny the truth as it is in jesus , neither must be silent in declaring against sin and wickednesse ; and let him say what he will concerning any advantage the devil reaps by us , it will but be the overthrow of his very kingdom : why , but saith he , if we do but unchurch all the reformed churches , the papists will give us a fee : i say , it is a hard thing to unchurch them that never were truly churched ; and that we seeke to unchurch such as are the churches of christ , this is utterly false , and the papists fee and his reproach , we trample upon them both together ; and let him take the papists fee , as he pleads for it , for it was they first that took tythes for a see , and it is he now that strongly pleads for them , to be maintained in his ministry by them . 13. his thirteenth reason : saith he , the doctrine and practice of the quakers is contrary to the experience and holy nature of the saints ; why , saith he , they have found a renewed light and life by the scriptures and ministry which the quakers make so light of , &c. to this i answer , this is as false as the rest , for with all the saints that ever was upon earth , both in doctrine and practice we agree with them ; and as for the peoples sakes of england , i wish his words were true , and that they had indeed found a renewing light and life by this ministry ; but though he may boast of it now , in the day of gods righteous judgements it shall be found otherwise , when it shall be tryed , that the renewing hath been but in form and appearance , from one likenesse to another , and not a renewing from death to life ; and though there hath been something of god sometime appearing , a zeal and a desire after him in the ministry of england in times past , yet from this day hath the lord forsaken them , and such as were sober and sincere in what was made manifest , are now become revilers and reproachers , slanderers and persecutors of the people of god , and from henceforth shall they not boast of many being converted by them from sin unto the way of righteousnesse . but further he saith , we tell the people that their ministry doth the people no good , and none are the better for it : if we do , we tell them true : and though he saith , the experiences of many thousands doth confute this , yet say i , the experiences of ten thousand times so many more shall confirm it : it is true , there may be thousands like himself which will not stumble to belye their own souls , as he hath done of us ; yet betwixt him and i in this matter god shall be our judge , who hath not sent this ministry , and yet it hath run , therefore it doth not , nor shall not profit the people at all : he saith , it is quite contrary to the nature of saints to damn and reproach the saints , and call them the children of the devil : this is true ; but it is not contrary to the nature of the saints to reprove hypocrites , such as professe that which they do not enjoy , and speak that which they have not received from the lord , but steal from other mens words , such are many of the teachers of england ; and it was the way of christ and his apostles soundly to reprove such : and this is our way , and we do not reproach the saints , nor damn them , and yet to the wicked , which are not saints , we dare not cry peace , but do say , the wicked , and such who forget god , shall be turned into hell : and for this , david is our example . 14. his fourteenth reason : he saith , the quakers are unlikely to be better then other men seeing they are so notoriously proud ; and thus this pride doth appeare : saith he , it is the supposed spirit as god , and the extraordinary holiness , and inspiration , and abilities , that they are proud of , and saith he , they proclaim themselves perfect without sin . and this is the pride he chargeth us with , &c. to which i answer , we say that in christ we are compleat , as the apostles said to the churches , and do not boast of it , neither are proud of it more then the churches were , but in the lord we will golry , and in him rejoice again and again ; and it is that which we presse after , and exhort all to presse after , to be perfect in him who takes away our sins , and gives power over the temptations of the devil . and he saith , we pretend to know mens hearts : yea , we do know that the heart of man is desparately wicked and deceitful above all things ; and by mens words and works , we do know their hearts to be evil that acts and speakes wickednesse , for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh : and if we should say we do not know mens hearts that acts and speaks wickednesse , we should be lyars : but as i said , what we are it is by grace in christ , and we boast not of it in the flesh , but our glorying is onely in the lord in spirit , that our names are written in the book of life . and as for our crying against deceivers , which he so much stumbles at , it is but the practice of christ and his apostles , as may be read thorow the scriptures , and yet we do it not , no more then they did in self-exaltation , though he would charge us with it . 15. his fifteenth reason : saith he , they plainly discover a persecuting spirit : why ( saith he ) what man can in reason think but that they run up and down the world to bring ministry into hatred , &c. to this i answer , little of this doth appear that our spirits are persecuting spirits , for we pray for our enemies , and doth forgive them that doth evil intreat us , and renders to no man evil for evil ; for if we had sought vengeance , or prosecuted the good laws of england against those that had wronged and robbed us , and unjustly caused us to be put in prison , many might have deeply suffered by true justice before this day , if we had not forgiven our enemies , and blessed them that hated us : such hath been the cruelty acted upon us , that many might have been arraigned for felony if we had sought the prosecution of the good laws and not forgiven our enemies . why , but the main thing is , because we are moved to go up and down the world and declare against the false ministers , and holding forth that ministry , and truly applying it to many of the teachers of england : but let all the world know , this is not from a persecuting spirit , no more then isaiah did it , and micha , and the rest of the prophets and apostles , who did zealously give their testimony against such as went for gifts and rewards , as the teachers of england do ; but this is that which he is offended at , and calls it a persecuting spirit , which is not so , but in love to peoples souls , that they may deny the evil , and follow the good : and that our ancestors have persecuted to death , as he saith , this is also a lye , and of the devil , for our ancestors were the saints , who were called of god , and were not of the world , even as we are not of the world , and we are persecuted , but seeks not to persecute any , and gives our witnesse faithfully against this generation , and against the sinnes both of teachers and people ; and this i suppose is it , even our zeal for the name of the lord against unrighteousnesse , which he falsly calls a persecuting spirit . 16. his sixteenth reason is , some interrogatories , ( saith he ) what reasonable man should turn quaker that sees the common fruit of their doctrine ? what good do they do whereever they come , but ( saith he ) hate both godly . teachers and people , &c. ans. to this i answer , the fruit of our doctrine is begetting people to the knowledge of god , and a converting them from sin and death , and from the wayes and works of unrighteousnesse , to be the servants of the lord ; and every spiritual man doth see this to be the fruit of our doctrine : it doth condemn unrighteousnesse , and bring war and a sword upon earth , as christs doctrine did . and this is the good where wee come , many are changed from wickednesse , rudenesse , and ungodlinesse , to live soberly , righteously , and purely in this present world , without offence towards god and men . for to say , we make people both to hate godly teachers and people , this is utterly false , for we endeavor to bring people to the true teacher , christ jesus , and to have fellowship with the saints : it 's true , in the world our doctrine doth make division , and doth set a man at varience , and doth set father against son , and son against father , even as christ did , and his doctrine , so he saith we do . but again he belyes us , in saying , we bring people into confusion and abominable error , or that we cast people into a malicious mood , or tincture of bitterness , this is also false , and this is my answer , he that doth the will of our father , knows of our doctrine , whether we be of god , or of our selves , and to all the world besides we are unknown , and desires to be manifest to every mans conscience in the sight of god , and not to that wisdom which is of this world : and though he scorn at such who are made to cast off their points and lace , yet is not this more then any fruit that his doctrine hath brought forth ? for as we do , so did the apostle exhort against all superfluity of naughtiness , as points and laces are ; and it seems that such as depart from iniquity become a prey to such wicked mens slandering and scornful tongues , and a maner to make bookes of , to send into the world . 17. his seventeenth reason : saith he , it is no great encouragement to us to turn quakers , when we consider who are their followers , very few experienced sober christians turn to them , ( saith he ) but such who are ignorant , and ungrounded , and raw professors , &c. ans. to this i answer , let no man take encouragement from without , to turn quaker , or to own the way of gods salvation , but let every one feel a measure of god in his own heart , converting him from sinne unto righteousnesse , and drawing his mind from the vanity and hypocrisie of this world , to the truth and singlenesse of heart : and he appears to be of the spirit of the pharisees , who said , none but a company of poor people which were accursed , followed christ ; and so saith he , in effect , none but such as are ignorant , and such like : but what if there were not any other but such who owned the way of the lord ? this is a confirmation of it , rather then a cause of objecting against it , when such who are ignorant are brought to the knowledge of god : but yet his words are false , for it is known , that very many honest , humble , sober men and people , who have all their dayes been sincere towards god in what they have known of him , have and do own us ; and indeed , all that ever owns god and salvation , shall own us , for we are of god , and he that is of god heareth us , and the whole world lyes in wickednesse : and such as are self-conceited , and in pride , and wise in their own eyes , and in the wickedness of the world , such are his followers , and not ours , though he falsely say it ; for such as follow christ have we fellowship with , and not with such as walk in darkness . 18. his eighteenth reason : saith he , it is an evident judgement of god upon these people that turn quakers , and a punishment for their former sins , &c. ans. to this i answer , the lord god , his angels , and all his saints and servants i call to record against thee , and they all shall witnesse that it is mercy , and not judgement , upon them that owns the way of the lord : and them that owned the quakers in truth and sincerity , have and do witness a remission of their former sins , and forgiveness of them by jesus christ , and not a punishment for them : and richard baxter may please himself and some others with his reasonless reasons , as these are , yet they are not worthy of the name of reason , they be so senseless and utterly false . and though he railes against the anabaptists as well as against us , yet any man whose eye is open , sees his folly , & turns it upon his own head : and he may conceit himself in these things for a moment , but the day of the lord will declare it otherwise , and that upon us mercy and peace shall be , and not judgement nor wrath . 19. his nineteenth reason : saith he , they are already in division among themselves , as the contention between nayler and fox , and their followers doth shew . to this i answer , though an occasion may come and be taken against the truth , yet wo unto him by whom it comes , and to them who doth receive it , for the testimony of truth abides for ever . but as about that division he speakes of , it hath been answered by writings several times , and now i say , it happened but as a tryal to the lords people , and not to destroy them ; though the enemy boasts himself because of it , yet the lord knows how to preserve his in the midst of temptation : but these things are now at an end , though a temptation presented it self , yet it overcame not , and truth is the same , and the testimony thereof doth never change : and all these refuges which the wicked flyes unto shall not cover them when the lord appears . 20. his twentieth reason : and saith he , to make all their delusions more odious wickednesse , they father it upon the holy ghost , &c. ans. his words are utterly false : yet we say we have received the holy ghost , which teacheth us , and leadeth us into all truth , and by it are we lead out of all wickedness and delusion , and all wicked speeches which he brands us withall , and these things are his own , for he is seen to be in delusion , and odious wickedness , and wicked speeches . and saith he , they speak against the doctrine of the spirit , and cryes down the love of the saints , and against the ordinances of the ministers of christ . to this i have answered , in the love & union with all the saints we are , and ministers of christ , but against hypocrisie we declare , such who profess what they are not , and use their tongues , and saith the lord saith , when the lord hath not spoken to them ; and sprinkle infants , and saith it is ●n ordinance of christ ; and singing davids experiences in rime and meeter , with many other things which the priests hath in their practice , such things we deny to be ordinances of christ , and them to be ministers of christ which do practice them ; and this we do say by the spirit of truth : but that we prenounce damnation against gods church and holy servants , this is false again , and is but the fulfilling the number of his lyes ; and though he charge us secretly with preaching another gospel then that which paul preached , is false ; and if we duly examine , it will be he that wil be sound preaching another gospel , whose practice is found in many things contrary to them who were ministers of the true gospel , and so the curse pronounced by the apostle will fall upon him , and not upon us in the day of judgement . 21. his one and twentieth reason : saith he , the quakers themselves renounce in words the ranters and papists as a deluded sort . ans. to which i answer and say , yea , not onely in words , but in lives also we utterly abhor the ranters and papists both in profession and practice , and do know that richard baxter is of the same spirit , though differing in words . but saith he , the ranters and drunkards cryes out against the same ministers and same exercise and godly people as the quakers do . to which i answer , what the ranters and drunkards may do in their wickedness and unclean spirits , is one thing , and what we do in the fear of god and tender love to peoples souls , is another thing ; but how uncharitable is this man in his judgement ? let us try him , as if i should say , the ranters , and drunkards , and prophane , and all ungodly people , they are our enemies , and doth oppose & gain say the way of god , and the people called quakers , and they beat them , and reproach them , and slander them , and doth much cruelty unto them ; and thus doth richard baxter of kedderminster , he reviles them , and reproaches them , and belyes them , and therefore he is one with the ranters , and drunkards , and prophane people , and he holds part of the papists , ranters , and drunkards doctrine and practice : and thus he is judged with his own rule , according as he hath judged us , by the same rule ; and now say i as well as he of us , let any man judge that hath not for sworn all wit and reason , whether it is likely the holy ghost will inspire richard baxter and a company of priests of england , to acquaint them with the same points , doctrines , and practices , which the papists , ranters , drunkards , and all prophane people exercise themselves in ; for as all they are enemies to the quakers , so is he and his company . and farther i ask him , whether the same things be heavenly in rich. baxter and his company , which be hellish in the ranters and drunkards ? and whether richard baxter hath not condemned himself and the priests of england in condemning the papists , and ranters , and drunkards , and prophane people , in acting the very same things , to wit , speaking against , reproaching , reviling , and slandering , and backbiting an innocent people of god , called quakers . 22. his two and twentieth reason : and saith he , if i have any reason to be weary of the christian catholike reformed religion , what reason have i to turn quaker more then to any other sect ? why ( saith he ) how do they prove they are more in the right then any other , &c. answ. to all this i answer , this is according to his knowledge , who sees no difference between good and evil , between such as serveth god , and such as serves him not ; and how can this man be a teacher of others that is so blind himself ? the true christian religion he is out of , and in a sect , whose fruits are as bad as the papists or familists , or any others ; for i believe not the worst of sects could have brought forth more lyes and slanders , and scoffing words in one sheet of paper , then he hath done in this which now i deal withall . and as for our proof that we are in the right way , to every man that hath an eye to see , & an ear to hear , and an heart to conceive , it 's easie to be proved , and such are satisfied ; but as for unbelievers and persecutors , such as himself , they must hear , and see , and not perceive and understand . 23. his three and twentieth reason : saith he , the way by which they prevail is not producing any evidence , for they renounce that , and offers all from the authority of the spirit within them , &c. ans. the way by which we prevail is by the spirit of the lord which is within us , and that was the way whereby all the ministers of christ ever prevailed , by the authority of that . but yet this is false , we do not deny to produce evidences , but is sufficiently able , and hath done it , to produce evidences out of the scriptures , to prove all things which we professe or practice for religion . but saith he , they must prove their commission by divine miracles before any reasonable man can believe it , &c. many that fear god , and are in the purest reason , hath believed us already , and doth see the mighty wonders of god brought to passe , and it cannot be believed by richard baxter , no more then christ was believed of the pharisees , in whom the mighty power of god was made manifest , for though he did miracles , yet that generation could not believe them . and he tells of some that said he was blind ; so might they well do , and not lye , his blindnesse is made manifest at large . and saith he , but can i see the witnesse in them that saith they have the witnesse in themselves . nay , because thou art an unbeliever thou canst not ; but if thou wert a believer in christ , thou wouldst feele the same testimony in the brethren ; but by thee we are not known , and therefore by thee are falsly judged ; for no other testimony do we give or hold forth , but the same which the apostles did , which we have received from christ as the apostles did , & not by any authority of our own , though he falsly say it , but by the authority of the power of god ; & we shall not much seek or beg our adversaries belief , for to god are we known , and one to another in the spirit , and not to the wisdom of the world , which is devillish , and knows not , nor receives not the things which be eternal . his last reason : they teach but such like doctrines , and takes the like course as many of the hereticks did ; and saith he , shall we run our selves into the fire which hath consumed such heresie through former ages , &c. ans. to this i answer , the doctrines of the gospel we hold forth and teach to all people , and in that way which is called heresie , worship we indeed the god of our fathers ; but it is but such as this man with whom i deal , who is a false witnesse-bearer , and a reproacher , and the company of hireling-teachers , and such like , that doth call the way of god heresie . and though he say , presently after the apostles dayes such hereticks arose and troubled the church . to which i answer , nay it is just such like as himself , who appeared in the apostles dayes , who taught for filthy lucre , and for gain made merchandize of souls ; and it was such lying prophets which iohn saw the whole world run after in his dayes , and they were them that troubled the church , even such as were heady , and high minded , and proud , and covetous men , and such as are false accusers , and fierce men ; and his shame and folly is made manifest , and so his lyes and slanders are turned upon his own head . and in his conclusion he doth beseech professors to consider impartially of these 24. reasons ; to which i say , the most of them are so reasonlesse , that they will rather turn to his own confusion , then to his praise , to any man of understanding : and he bids all bethink themselves , first , what a doleful thing it is that professors should be so loose and unstable , &c. ans. doleful it is indeed that after so much preaching of the priests of england , people should be so ignorant , loose , and unstable as indeed they are , and this is a very shame to the teachers , and shews that they were not sent of god , because that the people are not profited at all , but continues ignorant , loose , and unstable , and wicked , according to their own confession ; and indeed , people are to be pittyed that are under their ministry , who by it can never come to the knowledge of god , but must be ever learning fifty or sixty years , and ignorant , loose , and unstable at their very end , and yet these are members of this church of england , so called , which the very pastors thereof confesseth to be loose , and unstable , and wicked , and brands us to be denyers of this church , as indeed we have good reason , to see the members thereof so wicked , loose , and unstable , as is confessed by their own teachers , therefore we cannot be condemned for denying such a church . secondly , he bids consider what a heavy judgement it is to professors themselves , to be self-condemned , and self-divided from the church , &c. to which i answer , a heavy judgement indeed , that such as are of the church should be self-condemned , and self-divided from it ; but yet it is a blessed thing that any that have been deceived with false likenesse , now should come to see the error thereof , & be turned to the true church which is in god , and to be drawn away from all windy doctrines of englands teachers , and this many doth witnesse . then he exhorts christians to be serious , and be true to the light which they have received : to which i say , all that are true to the light which they have received from christ jesus , will deny this man i now deal withall , and all his lyes and slanders . then he bids stick close to the word of god ; and i say , all that do so will finde it as a fire & a hammer , and will be gathered from under the dead doctrines of men in this age . and he exhorts them to stick close to a faithful ministry : to which i say , then must they deny all hirelings , and such as preacheth for hire , for such are not of the faithful ministry , but deceivers of people . and thus in few words return is sent in the pursute of a sheet of lyes and slanders put forth into the world , and all sober-minded people by this may come to a good understanding between truth and error . and though he hath taken a c●urse to spread his books as ballads and fables , by having them cryed up and down the streets , which is not for his advantage altogether , but doth shew his work ridiculous to all wise men . and so hereby it may be seen that all his strong reasons are confounded and overturned , that would hinder a man from being a quaker . the main and chief things i have spoken of , and by what is written in short , men of understanding may understand what his whole matter can be : but in the beginning of his book he falls a complaining of the lamentable ignorance and ungodliness of common people ; and of the pride , and self-conceitedness of professors of godliness , and of the weaknes , and giddiness , and unstableness of others : to this i answer ; it is true , abundance are ignorant , and abundance are proud and self-conceited ▪ and abundance unstable and giddy in their minds ; and substract these from the whole company of the hearers of the teachers of england , and there is but a few left ( if any at all ) that are truly righteous in the sight of god ; and so to the shame of all the teachers of england , hath he confessed the truth in this particular ; and sheweth that indeed the people is not profited by them : and this is a strong argument that they were never sent of god , but hath ran and were never sent : but presently after that he cryes out of hereticks and deceivers , even like as the pope doth ; but what is he afraid of , that they that are ignorant , and ungodly , and proud ▪ and self-conceited , unstable , and giddy , should be deceived , they that are in those iniquities are deceived already , and cannot possibly fall into greater deceit , or delusion . but it appears , that many of the priests of england cares not how little their hearers profits by them , so if they can get their wages , their hire , their great sums of money ; for one of them said ( i mean a supposed minister of england ) in cambr●dge-shire , that he mattered not if all his hearers went to the devil , so they would but give him his dues ; to wit , tythes and maintenance . so that by this instance , you may judge what stock they are of , and what their endeavours are ; and we desire that people may be undeceived of that wherein they are deceived , and that they may turn from such a generation of covetous teachers , who care so little for their souls . and whereas he saith , the quakers are but of a few years standing , and that they arose from among the papists but a few years ago , &c. to this i answer , the people of god received that name but a few years ago , but the saints were quakers , i am able to prove , long before ; for abraham , and isaac , and moses , and habakkuk ; daniel , and paul , and all the rest were quakers though they were not called so ; and though our name is new , yet our religion is old ; for it is the good old way , even the way the apostles walked in , though it hath been over-clouded for many years in the dark night or apostasie , which hath been over the whole world ; and the beast hath reigned and made war against the saints and killed them , and this hath been for many ages as you may read : yet there was a seed which god preserved for himself in the midst of darkness , but now is the way of the lord made manifest again , and the same power and life of god which was in the apostles dayes , and truth shall spring forth , and idolatry shall be rooted out by little and little , and antichrist and his kingdom shall fall , and even christ the son of god the same as ever was , for no other we own , but him who was and is , and is to come ; he shall rule , and his people shall follow him . and though he saith , the quakers be an upstart sect : using such scornful words , not beseeming a minister of jesus christ ; but we are willing to bear all his reproaches for christs sake . and he speaks most foolishly , and saith as if we knew not the contents of our religion ; yea , we know the contents and foundation of it , which is christ that good old foundation , and him we are zealous for , and him we preach and no other . and though he say , the christians faith hath been known for sixteen hundred years ago : i say it was so , but the night hath been over all , wherein no man can work , since it hath been first revealed ; and traditions , and superstitions hath the world been exercised in , and led into ; and the true faith of the gospel hath been departed from , and many knows it not at this day . and he saith , he abhors any gospel , or religion , that was not made sixteen hundred years ago , &c. to this i answer , then must he abhor his own practice ; for sprinkling or infants , telling people it is a baptizing into the faith of christ , was not so long since , nor singing davids experiences in rime and meeter for a part of gods worship ; and many other things which the priests of england practise for religion and gospel-ordinances , but are not so ; but an invention came in many years since the faith was revealed to the apostles ; and thus he hath abhorred his ovvn practise , and is condemned out of his ovvn mouth . and vvhereas he speaks of one that lately spoke to another in these vords , he denied the god that he worshiped . that might be true : for thousands in england worships the god of this world ; and that god the saints deny : and he counts it a thing very abominable to trust to that vvhich is vvithin the saints ; though it be according to the scriptures ; for christ is in the saints , and god dvvels in the saints ; and god and christ is only to be trusted to . there is also another piece put forth by him , called , a sheet for the ministry : in vvhich also ( according to his usual manner ) he rails and lyes against the quakers in many things ; also i might instance in many more things vvherein he hath belyed us , as a man vithout fear or honesty : and much ado he makes about tythes : and he commends his reader to the quakers catechisme , for better satisfaction . and i do commend all sober people to the ansvver of the same , vvherein his folly and vveakness is laid open , as in them particulars . but he saith , the tenths are theirs as fully as the rest are ours ▪ but this is denyed ; for the tythes are not paid out of the lands , but out of mens labours and industrious exercises upon the land : for if any man let his land lye untilled , there is no tythes claimed ; so that it is manifest it 's paid out of mens labours , and not out of the land : and many other things vve have against tythes , and against the unjustnesse of them , and the oppression grovving thereby . and vve do knovv , that never any minister of christ vvas maintained in such a vvay : nay , they vvere so far off being maintained by a lavv , that they vvould not make use of their povver vvhich they had in christ in those things as of outvvard maintenance . but much need not be said , for thousands begins to see the grievous burden and unlavvfulness of tythes , and that in the gospel administration , these things are no vvay commanded by the lavv of god , but as they came in by tradition , and vvere established by the pope , and are novv the chief maintenance of englands teachers . indeed grievous and sad to be considered it is , hovv many hundreds in england of honest men are made havock on in their persons and estates in relation to tythes , because for conscience sake they cannot pay to the upholding of an antichristian ministry , vvhich denies christ come in the flesh , by upholding tythes , vvhich only belonged to the first priesthood under the lavv , and vvas never practised ( either paid or received by any ) of them that vvere witnesses of christ come , or after his death , vvho did thereby fulfil that part of the old covenant , and put an end to that covenant , and the priesthood vvas changed that took tythes , and a necessity there vvas also of the change of the lavv as it is vvritten . so this is an ansvver in part to richard baxters many lyes and reproaches , and his vvhole work is turned by as our spoyled prey of babylons treasure ; and no more to be recokned in the records of truth , but shall stand upon an account , among the corrupted and poluted commodity , of the grovvth of aegypt and babylon . london , the 9. month , 1657. the end . a brief relation of the persecutions and cruelties that have been acted upon the people called quakers in and about the city of london since the beginning of the 7th month last, til this present time : with a general relation of affairs, signifying the state of the people through the land. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 1662 approx. 50 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 12 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. text creation partnership, ann arbor, mi ; oxford (uk) : 2004-05 (eebo-tcp phase 1). a29476 wing b4629 estc r1091 11875647 ocm 11875647 50216 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. 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and how that many were wounded , and bruised , and knocked down in a barbarous manner ; the woful effects of which persecution hath more then sufficiently appeared , to the amazement of many in this city , who have admired the sufferance of such dealing , so illegal and cruel in this famous city . and we shal not need at this time to aggravate the cruelty of that day by many circumstances , for the woful effects shal prove the matter ; for since that day diverse are departed this life , that were beat , and wounded , and abused in that meeting ; and particularly one man who lay under the grievous pangs of death for ten days after he had received such cruel bruises and blows , then departed this world ; and upon some considerations by his friends that were present with him on his death-bed , and especially they knowing ( as by all appearance it was manifest ) that , he was killed and murdered , and that his wounds and bruises received at the meeting were the absolute occasion of his death : it was found convenient , that the coroner of the city should be sent for , and that an inquest should pass upon his dead body , that the murder might be manifest , and not be hid in secret ; accordingly it was done ; the dead corps were carried to the bull into the meeting-room where he received his death-blows , and his body was exposed to publick view ; to which place multitudes of people of the city did resort to see the woful sight of the dead corps , which was such a sad sight , that it made many beholders astonished ; his dead body was so black with bruises , and even rotten , and like a jelly , that none can scarce express the grievous symptoms of cruel blows that had fallen on that body , which had occasioned his death ; and for diverse hours together many came to behold the same , and went away afflicted in their hearts by the sight that their eyes had seen ; and the coroner came and impanelled a jury of the neighbors , and gave them a charge ( according to his office ) to make true inquiry upon their oaths , and to present what they found the cause of his death to be ; accordingly they viewed the corps throughly , and had a surgeon or two with them to advise concerning the cause of the death of that person ; and after some time spent in consulting among themselves , and in viewing the corps ; then passed together in private ( desiring the friends to bury the body , which that evening was done ) and that time they suspended to give in their verdict for diverse reasons known to themselvs ; though without doubt it was the judgment of the surgeon then present , and of themselves also according to their evidence , and of all that beheld the dead carkase , that he was absolutely murdered , and that the blows received at that meeting aforesaid were the real cause of his death ; and diverse times since the coroner and jury have met together upon the occasion , to hear witnesses , and to determine concerning the matter ; and many substantial evidences have been brought in , testifying of that grievous cruelty acted that day by the train-bands aforesaid , which have sufficiently proved the manner of the said murder , with its several aggravating circumstances , according to the expressed method of this following letter sent by a friend to the mayor of the city , the next day after the death of the said person . friend , i am moved of the lord to write unto thee concerning a person lately dead , who being met with many others of the people of god at the bull and month , the 31. day of the last month , ( the usual time and place of their meeting for the worship of the living god ) was so beat and bruised by that party of the trained bands of the city which were sent to that place to disturb the meeting , who did so beat and wound many of our friends , and use that violence towards the innocent people , that 't is scarce to be believed that men should be so inhumane , cruel and merciless to their honest neighbours , as they were at that time and place : but that there is now a sufficient witness of their cruelty , by the death of this person , who was absolutely murdered ▪ yea purposely and wilfully , as may be justly suspected : i may suppose thou hast heard of this thing ; for it was done not in the night , but at the mid-time of the day ; not suddenly , unawares , by mishap , but intendedly , and in a long space of time a doing ; and not in a corner , but in the streets of the city of london ; all which circumstances doth highly aggravate this murder , to the very shame and infamy of this famous city and its government . and now seeing it is thus come to pass , consider in the fear of god , and take his counsel what thou oughtest now to do as chief magistrate of this city , wherein such murder is so hainously committed ) for the end that innocent blood may not be hid , nor this cruel deed be covered with hypocrisie ; but that this matter may be enquired into ( as of right it ought ) and sought out by thee , and iustice and true iudgement brought forth ; that thou mayest for ever stand clear both before god and men ( when called to an account ) and that the city may be cleared also of innocent blood , which now lies upon it , by this man's death . friend , i say again in dear and tender love to thee , consider what thou hast to do in this case ; it 's not to be over-looked and connived at by thee , as a thing of nought ; for really and in truth , the city is defiled by the innocent blood of a servant of god , who is slain for his worships sake ; and these things will be brought to account before god the iudge of all , who is provoked to anger because of these things , and may also ( 't is not impossible ) be brought to an account in this world , when the sufferings of gods people are finished , which will once be as sure as the lord lives , whose purpose is to deliver his people from all their oppressions , and they shall be free , though the rulers of the earth do what they can to the contrary , whom god will deal with as he dealt with pharoah , if the [ now ] israel of god may not be permitted to meet to worship the true and living god , and a generation shall not pass till it be accomplished ; and the innocent blood of his servants is now touched , and this city hath defiled it self therewith , which will hasten vengeance and destruction : and as for this thing , if thou now art silent , and it be hid , how shall the lord look upon thee clear , who art the chief magistrate , and hast the power , and ought by the law of god to search out , and judge this cause of innocent blood . i am moved to warn thee , that thou mayest exercise that power and understanding which god hath given thee , for the end to prevent the shedding of the blood of god's servants for the time to come : i seek no revenge , nor the lives of our adversaries , but rather , that the murderers , and all ungodly men may be converted , and their souls and bodies may live for ever ; though by the law of god , and the law of this land , eye for eye , and life for life ; and this is just and equal . and certain it is , not onely one man us guilty of this cruel deed , but many who were then present , assenting , consenting , and acting their parts in this bloody tragedy ; and all such are liable to answer the law , if iustice be done ; yea , and if they had a command to kill men , as some of them said , such a one is liable to the iustice and iudgement of the eternal god for the same , and god will render to every man according to his wayes : though we desire the repentance of all , and that they may have mercy from god and man ; yet in conscience , according to my duty , have i laid this thing before thee , that thy heart may be stirred up to remove the weight and guilt of innocent blood , that now cryes in the ears of the city . i am thy friend , and a lover of the immortal souls of mankind , though an afflicted and oppressed sufferer for the name of christ , and his gospel , e. b. but though they have had diverse meetings about the business , and many consultations , and had much evidence for proof of the murder ; yet for some reasons not well known to us , they have not till this time given in their verdict , whether they find upon their oaths , that person diseased as aforesaid to have been murdered or no ? the reasons rendered by some for such suspence of verdict is , that because they cannot by any evidence yet given to them charge any one particular man with the said murder , as that such a person did give the deceased person his deaths blows , though it is testified that the same person now dead was seen beaten and knocked down ; but it being in such a confused croud as was at that time on that occasion , that no particular man can be fixed upon , as that any can say , this man did the deed ; this is not yet found out , though the jury have sought for it ; and 't is supposed , that if a particular person could be charged with the murder , he would be turned over to the law , and tried accordingly ; but if no particular person can be charged herewith , then the city is liable to be a merced some great summe at the pleasure of the king , for suffering such murder in the city on the day-time , and in such publick manner , and the murderer suffered to escape , and not apprehended ; which thing it is supposed the city fears ; so this is the reason given by some why verdict : is suspended till the particular person can be found out on whom the said murder may be charged : but however the matter is plain to many thousands in this city , that the said person was murdered , and it is well known to the whole city that for three months together , scarce one first-day , but the souldiers came violently and cruelly into our meetings ; beating , abusing , and knocking down many for dead ; and thus much for present shal suffice concerning the death of the aforesaid person , till we have further occasion to publish the whole matter about the business , which in due time may be done , as good occasion shall justly require it . the first day of the seventh month a friend suffered some persecution in and near smithfield in the fair-time , who was moved to go through the fair naked , with a pan on his head full of fire and brimstone , flaming up in the sight of the people , crying repentance among them , and bad them remember sodom , &c. for which some rude people did abuse him much , and took him to an officer , but he was not committed to prison , but the lord delivered him out of their hands . about the 7 th day of the month two women were committed to old bridewel , for going into pauls in the time of their worship ; the one of them being moved to go at that very time into that place vvith her face made black , and her hair dovvn vvith blood poured in it , vvhich run dovvn upon her sackcloth vvhich she had on , and she poured also some blood dovvn upon the altar , and spoke some vvords , and another woman being moved to go along vvith her , they vvere both taken avvay to bridewel , vvhere they remain to this day , and vvere not yet tried for any fact , nor any evil yet justly laid to their charge . the same day a person vvas committed to newgate , for giving abroad a printed paper ( to diverse persons he gave diverse of them ) it was concerning the cruelty acted in the meeting that day the man was killed , as aforesaid ; and though one of the same was delivered to the king , by a person that was moved to acquaint him with the murder of the person aforesaid , at which the king seemed displeased , that one of our friends should be killed at a meeting , in these words expressing himself ; i assure you it was not by my advice that any of your friends should be slain , and you must tell the magistrates of the city of it , and prosecute the law against them , these were the kings words ; but the person aforesaid was taken up by some officer , & charged with giving papers abroad , being had before rich. brown , who committed him to prison for dispersing scandalous papers , as he said , though the authors name was at the paper ; and yet he was committed to newgate , where he now remains . our friends meetings for these six weeks last past , in and about this city , have been for the most part quiet and free from disturbance by souldiers , the meetings at the bull and divers other places have been kept in the fear and name of the lord , peaceable and quiet , and not violated by souldiers , as of late heretofore ; onely for these three last first days , in wheeler-street , at the meeting-place , souldiers have appeared in a very rude manner , and shut up the doors , and kept a guard against our friends , and would not permit them entrance into their own house , but did beat , knock and abuse friends in a wicked manner in the streets ; and one lievtenant uttered these words , he matter'd not if he killed a quaker , he should not be hanged for it : and seeing they would not suffer friends to pass into their meeting-room , they stood in the street before the door , and could not depart , though the rude souldiers continued to abuse them with their kanes and swords , beating them in a pittiful manner ; though some of the soberest of them desired that some of our friends would go to the king , and acquaint him with these proceedings , that they might be spared from that duty , for they were wholly weary of it . and one first day there were four of the friends taken out of the streets , and committed to new-prison , where they remained till the sessions , and were then discharged . and this hath been most of the disturbance our friends have had in their meetings for the time aforesaid . about the middle of the 7th . month one henry bowerman was taken out of his ship , and brought before richard brown , and committed to newgate for selling of our friends books , which they say are unlicensed by the bishop , and therefore not suffered to be sold , though to this day neither the bishop , nor any other person hath ever detected any point of doctrine or principle in any of our books , or proved any unsoundness in them , or contrary doctrine to the scriptures of truth ; but notwithstanding the said henry was committed close prisoner upon that pretence , and for three weeks laid among the felons , and suffered many great abuses , because of which , distemper of body grew upon him , and he grew very weak till death , and the 17. day of the 8. month dyed in newgate ; thus this honest just man finished his testimony in bonds for the name of jesus in faithfulness , whose reward is with him for ever ; and he is accounted among the suffering martyrs for the truth of jesus : and without all doubt his close imprisonment , and the abuses he suffered , was the cause and ground of his sickness , and so of his death ; and this was the opinion of divers of the jury-men that passed upon his dead corps ▪ we cannot omit in this place , to mention the state of our dear friends in southwark , and how it hath fared with them in this stormy season . in the 4 th . month last , the meeting of our friends at horse-ly-down ( the usual place of their peaceable meeting to worship god for these divers years ) was disturbed and violated by souldiers in arms , in the same rude , illegal manner as the meetings in the city , of whom ye have heard heretofore ; and at divers times on three first dayes , were taken out of the said meeting to the number of about 50. persons , and from time to time committed to prison at the white-lyon , where they remained till the assise , which was held at guilford , to which place the prisoners were had in order to tryal , the gaoler taking their words to travel to the place , being 25. miles distance from the goal , without any keeper ; which they did faithfully , and appeared at the time and place appointed ; but few of them were called before the bench , for there was no witnesse against them , nor preparation of indictments ; for which cause ( it is supposed ) orlando bridgeman , then judge of the assize , did discharge all the prisoners saving four , who had the oath then tendered them , and for refusing , were re-committed back to prison , and the rest were all released , and they onely detained . and this was the proceeding towards our friends at that time . but the rage and malice of some men were not yet an end ; for though the judge of assize had ordered the release of our friends in the face of the countrey , yet in a little time after their return home , they were fallen upon again in their meeting at the place aforesaid , and by rude souldiers violently halled , pulled and dragged out of their peaceable meeting , and led by force before some justices of the peace , who took some examination of them , and committed them to the gaol for the county , according to the following relation received from the prisoners themselves . on the 3 d ▪ day of the 6th . month ( called august ) being the first day of the week , we being met together as our manner is , in the fear of the lord to feel and enjoy his presence , and to be refreshed in his pretious life , and one in another ; for indeed in the unity to meet together , and in the unity to bow or worship before the lord , and together in the unity to live , is very precious unto us , and we cannot but exercise our selves therein , notwithstanding the decrees and laws of men are to the contrary : and being met together ( even out of the fear of man ) after some time came a constable with some souldiers , and found us very peaceable and quiet ; yet notwithstanding they soon began to thrust , hale , and carry forth of the meeting all women-friends , some with much violence ; and when they had wrought their design upon them ( we all this while siteing still , eying the dear loving-kindness of the lord to us , and little regarding the cruelties of men , feeling in our hearts that love which casteth out fear , which love envieth not , but teacheth us to pity , and to pray for them that despitefully use us ; knowing that their eyes are blinded , and their hearts hardened , and that they understand not what they do . ) then they began with us , and after much thrusting , halling and pulling , we were brought six or eight sometimes in a company , and sometimes more , every souldier his prisoner , as though we had been great malefactors ; we were strongly guarded , and brought to the court at margarets hill , where they kept their main-guard , especially on the first dayes of the week , having little other service at present for their souldiers , than to range up and down like wolves greedy of prey , to find where the lambs and sheep of christ meet together ; drudging about this day many miles for no other purpose . so when we were all brought into their guard , they set a strong watch at the door , scarce suffering or admitting any friends wives to come in : after some time we were called to go up into an upper room , which was over the court of guard , where there were two magistrates called justice moor , and justice lee , and several other persons , most as spectators ; so by parcels as aforesaid , we were brought before them ; and the constable and two souldiers were sworn to witness against us , the magistrates having the late act made against us , lying upon the table before them : and being called one by one to the last , the constables evidence was , that we were taken met together . so they set down our names , and asked us for sureties to be bound for our appearance next sessions or assizes to be holden in this county : they were answered , that we had transgressed no just law ; and having broken no good law of the nation , we ought not to be asked for sureties ; requiring and challenging them or any other magistrates or people in the nation , to charge us justly with the breach of any one good law of the nation , since we were a people in scorn called quakers : but as for such laws ; decrees , and ordinances of men , which were not according to the law of god and right reason , but contrary to both ; their own law saith , that such laws , decrees , customs and ordinances , are utterly void , and not to be obeyed . and further , they were told , that we were subject readily and willingly to all good laws , and wholsome customs of the nation , which tend to the preservation of mankind , not for fear , but for conscience-sake ; and that it did not concern them , nor any other civil magistrates , to trouble us for the exercise of our consciences towards god in spiritual things ; and that the king had also said and promised , that none should be molested or troubled about matters of conscience , provided they did not disturb the publike peace ; which we have not at any time done , but have endeavoured and do endeavour to the utmost , to follow peace with all men . this and much more they heard somewhat moderately ; but they said we must obey the kings laws ; and there must be an uniform of worship ; and that we would ruine our selves , and they were ( they said ) sorry for us , and such like . so still it was urged upon them , to convince us of the breach of any good law , and if they could , we would put in security to answer that law : and further also told them , that if we did err in our minds , and were wrongly perswaded in our hearts , in and about matters of worship and religion , yet had not they any precept nor president from the primitive christians nor christ , to imprison our bodies , and ruine our estates for that cause onely , it being wholly contrary to christianity , or the spirit of christ. but we answering not their request as to sureties , the whole guard most of which in the mean while being in the lower room behaving themselves very rudely & cruelly towards some ; one woman being by a soldier punched on the belly , being big with child , & thrust with much violence backward upon the pavement , appearing for some time as dead ; but little notice would be taken by the magistrates of the fault without an oath . ) so the wholeguard , consisting of near one hundred , were ordered & commanded to guard us to the county-gaol , many hundreds of people attending to behold us with much pity . so we were delivered into prison , thirty four in number , for the testimony of a good conscience ; for if we would make shipwrack of faith and a good conscience , we need not suffer by this generation . so in the true patience , long-suffering and love , which thinks no ill , we rest in the hope which maketh not ashamed , knowing our god whom we serve , is able to deliver us ; but if he will not , be it known to all , he will , and doth enable us chearfully to suffer whatsoever the sons of men are permitted to inflict upon us ; believing in the end , that love , patience and innocency shall overcome all that is contrary ; and in the end , the lamb and the saints shall have the victory . from the white-lyon , being the county-gaol for sarry , the 6th . day of the 6th . month , 1662. in like manner the said meeting of the people of god was assaulted for diverse days ; till such time as they had taken from time to time out of the meeting , and committed about eighty of our friends to the white lion , where they lay grievously thronged up together in noisome stinking places , till the sessions held at kingstone for that county , which was the beginning of this month , to which place the prisoners were conducted in order to hearing and trial ; and accordingly here they were arreigned and indicted upon the statute of the 35 of elisabeth ( though it is the judgment of diverse lawyers that that statute is repealed ) for unlawful conventicles , and unlawful assemblies , &c. and demanded to plead guilty , or not guilty ? to which most of the prisoners pleaded , not guilty ; and they were demanded to give bayl to answer the next sessions . though some of the prisoners spoke home to the court , and told them their indictment was made up of lies and falsities ; upon which occasion some disturbance grew in the court , so that some party of the train-bands were commanded into the court to keep all quiet ; who did make a bussle and stir , and some received some blows ; one man in particular being no quaker ( so called ) who was struck , made some defence to keep the blows off him , upon which a lying report was raised in the town and country , that the quakers fought and opposed the souldiers , which was not true at all , but a very lye ; for none of our friends made the least resistance , no not in the defence to save their heads from blows ; and this may be taken notice of to prevent false reports . but none of the prisoners were tried , but all recommitted to prison , and the court adjourned till the 28 day of this instant to sit on margarets hill in southwark ; in the mean time all our friends are kept prisoners for refusing to put in bayl for their appearance ; though their denial to give bayl is not as though their crime was so great as they could not answer it , but 't is usual if at any time any friends give bayl , they are more ensnared thereby , and made more liable to greater sufferings ; for which cause , with some others , our friends cannot give such bayl demanded of them ; so at this present there are remaining in prison , in white-lion , near eighty of our friends as aforesaid . the sessions for the general gaol delivery was held at the old baily the 9 , 10 , 11 , and 12 days of this month ; where several murderers , fellons , and some coyners were arraigned and tried , and only six persons condemned , three whereof were executed , and the rest reprieved . and there being about twelve of our friends in prison in newgate , which were detained from the sessions before , for refusing to give bayl for appearance , and for their behaviour , &c. though they were discharged by the kings late letter sent to the magistrates of the city for to release all our friends out of the gaols for london and middlesex , of which ye have heard heretofore ; and being yet continued prisoners , it was expected they should have been called to the court at the sessions ; but was not brought before them , onely their names called over , and they returned in the gaolers kalendar , to continue prisoners , or to give bayl for appearance the next sessions , in the mean time to be of good behaviour , &c. upon which they are detained still in newgate , though very unjustly , as may be made appear , if need require , in due season ; and how men who unjustly do these things , will be able to answer before god when they are called to account , is to be considered ; for though this people have none among men to plead their cause , yet will the lord god arise in his season , to hear the cry , and plead the cause of his innocent people who suffer for his name sake , in patience bearing all things , till god from heaven work deliverance for the oppressed . about the 18th . day of this month was an order sent from the king to the sheriffs of london , for to release iohn boulton , iohn crook , and isaac gray , the three persons formerly convict of praemunire , who were committed during the king's pleasure , and had their estates seized upon , according as ye have formerly heard , which order contained thus much : that whereas the said three persons stood convicted of praemunire , and was committed during the pleasure of the king , his will and pleasure was thereby signifyed , that the said three persons should forthwith be enlarged and set at liberty , &c. according to the intent and meaning of the said letter , the said three persons are delivered out of prison after their five months imprisonment , and the hard sentence passed upon them . the same day rebecca travers was committed to the new-prison by the lievtenant of the tower , who being moved to go to him on the behalf of some prisoners that he had committed for being at meetings ; in some discourse with him , pressing upon him for pity and compassion to poor men , he was much discontented ; and she being passing away from him one of the keepers used some violent speeches towards her at her departure ; to whom she replied and exhorted him to be good in his place while it was the lords will he had it , &c. at which he was so vexed , that he went back speedily to the lievtenant , and swore she had spoken treason ; for which her mittimus was made , and she immediately committed , where she now remains . thus instead of hearing her sober requests in the behalf of the poor prisoners , he committed her also . so this is the sum of proceedings in and about this city ▪ there remains at this present of our friends prisoners , in negate twelve , in new-prison four , and in southwark near eighty : and for these late weeks meetings are generally quiet , and much pity in the hearts of sober people raised up towards friends , who have observed the patient and long-suffering spirit of the lord amongst us , through this hard time of trial and persecution , and to continue in the same we are resolved through the strength of christ jesus , even till our deliverance come ; and we shall never seek vengeance against our enemies , nor rise up against them to redeem our selves by our own strength ; and we desire like-mindedness among all that love us ; for the lord will accomplish his own work in his season . at a meeting at ham , five miles out of the city , divers friends have been taken of late , through the instigation of a wicked priest , who hath stirred up the officers of the town to disturb the meeting ; and they have sent divers friends , some to colchester-gaol , and some to the house of correction : and one friend in particular , was dragged at a horses tail for some part of the way . thus the cruelty of the priests is daily made manifest , to their shame and reproach through the land ; even these men , who were themselves in a suffering condition some of them ; and yet without regard either of god or man , stir up the hearts of men to be cruel towards the innocent . by late letters from norfolk , suffolk and essex , we have lately understood , that for the most part our friends meetings are quiet and peaceable in all them east-counties , except in some places where the officers are violent and rude men , and are willing to do our friends mischief , and there our friends are most molested : but there are not many of our friends prisoners in them parts at this present . by letters lately received from plymouth and bristol , and out of the west , we understand , that there are very few of our friends in prison in them parts : at bristol three remains taken from meetings some weeks since , two of whom are convict by the late act against meetings , and the other detained for refusing the oath . in exceter some lately released out of the prison , who were committed for meetings ▪ though meetings at this present are generally quiet in the west : for our friends are so well known to be of peaceable deportment , and of inoffensive conversation , and their meetings so clearly for the worship of god , that sober men have no great mind nor desire to use violence to their honest neighbors , in halling them out of meetings , and carrying them to prison ; for all sober men must needs confess , that such kind of dealing towards our friends , as of late practised in this city , by persecution and cruelty acted upon them , can never make ( in the effect of it ) for the happiness of the king and government ; but 't is liberty and freedom in the exercise of conscience in spiritual matters , that must make for the prosperity of the king and his subjects . by letters lately received from the north , we understand , that in york castle there are about an hundred ▪ of our friends prisoners , committed for meeting together in the worship of god , some of whom have lately been tried at the sessions , and some are fined 40. s , some more , some less , and some sentenced into premunire , and all returned back to prison again , saving some about wakefield-side , who were released . and thus they go on to persecute the innocent through their enmity , till the lord arise , and work the deliverance for his people . in leicestershire and northamptonshire divers were released out of prison this last sessions , though some are committed again since for meeting together to worship god : also we have been given to understand of late , that very much goods have been distrained from our friends in the countreys , for meeting together , and for not going to parish-houses to hear common-prayer , and for tythes and priests hire ; so that great are the sufferings of the innocent every way ; the wicked plow furrows upon their backs , and are like pricking briars and thorns unto upright men , and this is a very trying day unto all that fear the lord , whether they will suffer for the truth they profess , or whether they will deny their god and religion : but blessed and happy are the faithful this day , who follow christ through suffering ; for they that suffer with him , shall reign with him . at hartford last sessions , four honest friends were tryed for refusing the oath of allegiance , and sentenced into a pramunire , and are kept close prisoners ever since : take the account of it in the letter following . dear friends , in the bowels of endeared love and perfect unity , in that measure of light and life which we are made partakers of in the father , do we salute you , with the rest of our dear friends and suffering brethren in bonds for the testimony of a good conscience in the prison of newgate . we thought it convenient to acquaint you from our own hands , with the cause of our suffering in these bonds , and to give you some brief account of the sessions-proceedings against us : on the 6 th . and 7 th . days of this month was the quarter-sessions for the county of hartford , where we with divers other of our friends were arrested with sessions processes for not going to our parish church , ( as they called it ) where is to be observed , that we are inhabitants of the corporation , and so by the law not accountable at the county-sessions : but the morning before the sessions , the mayor , steward and company gathered together , and went to the county justices , and told them we were a people too mighty for them to deal with , and therefore desired them to take us into their cognizance . so we four persons whose names are under subscribed , were called , & after a few words spoken to us on the account of our indictment for not going to hear common-prayer , some said , tender them the oath of allegiance : so we pleaded to our former business , and asked if we were discharged from that ? they said we were , onely paying our fees , which we denyed ; but they made haste to the oath , having intended what to do before , and read the oath to us , and asked us to swear : we asked time of consideration , which he , called the lord fanshaw , acknowledged to be a reasonable question ; so they would grant us till the morning ; but withall , we must say whether we would take it or not , then ; so they recorded the refusal . on the next day we were called again ; for they were so eager on it , as if they were in great haste , and took so much pains , as if that were the onely business they had to do , ( and some in the court said , three or four of these would do the work , or to that purpose . ) they had prepared an indictment , and read it to us , and besides , alledged many scriptures to prove the lawfulness of swearing ; but when we spake to those scriptures , as they asked us to do , then fanshaw would cry out grand imposters ; and yet would often in his words pity us , and say , he would help us , but the law would not permit unless we would take the oath . when the jury were going forth with the indictment , we would have spake to them , but they would not permit us , and said we must not speak to the jury until they came in ( which is contrary to the law. ) some few words we did speak to the jury , and some of them said they were more sorry than we were , but they could not help it ; and some ( or one of them ) said , that they would not have found it , but that they durst do no other ; and though they are reputed but enemies to us , most of them , yet they said , that scarce one was willing to find it . after some more time , about three quarters of an hour , they brought in the indictment , and found us guilty : so without sentence we were sent away to prison . and after about three hours we were called again , the lord fanshaw being gone , and but few justices left , the judge of the sessions , one hen. chansie , and about four more present , after some impertinent quotations of scripture to prove the honorable esteem the servants of the lord had of swearing , he said , that he was sorry that it was his hard misfortune to pronounce so sad a sentence as this was against us , and bid the clark of the sessions to read our sentence , which was , that we should be put out of the kings protection , & have no benefit of the law , and to forfeit our lands , goods and estates to the king , and to answer it before the king and his council , or else processes of premunire to be issued forth against us , and we to be kept close prisoners , the which we are continued . and it was said by the gaoler , that we should be kept without pen , ink or paper ; and he to be fined 20. l. if he let any come at us beside such as brought us provision ; but this latter is not so executed on us . they have not yet seized our estates , but they say , they expect it hourly ; and many are their threats against us ; that the loss of our estates , and thus imprisoning of our persons , is not all , but to send us beyond sea , and that one hath begged us for that end already ; but we are kept above the terror of these things , knowing that our god can , if he see it good for us , deliver us out of all these things . this we thought meet to lay before you ; and if you think it for truths advantage that any thing further should be done , let us hear from you : and so we remain your friends in the pure truth . henry sweeting , rich. thomas , abraham rutt , iohn king. hartford the 14th . of the 8th . month , 1662. from durham . friends and brethren ! the beloved of god our saviour , and the lord iesus christ ; foras much as it hath pleased god through the riches of his grace to make us partakers with you in this suffering fellowship of the gospel ; as also of the love , joy , peace and presence which attends all who in uprightness of heart suffer in the like sort , though indeed ours is not to be compared to what we have heard hath been in the city , by a certain intelligence which hath its date ( as i remember ) from the first 6th mo . to the first 7th . and gives us a full and ample account during that time ; and we do credibly believe it to be according to truth ; and it much satisfies us here to see their rudeness and cruelty so rightly stated : wherefore we shall give you a short hint of what was done in these our sessions concerning the said people commonly and scornfully called quakers ; use it as you shall see fit . upon the 8th of this instant 8. month , — 62 , the prisoners being called , all but those three whom we hinted to you in our last were so unlawfully praemunir'd the last assizes , being prosecuted against and cast into prison upon the late act against unlawful assemblies and meetings , until the time of the iudges sitting here , and then at that self same time run into this relapse , and here left with several others who were cast in here , and lies upon the account of tythes , who were not as this time called forth . upon the first day of their sessions was called one william foster , a man of sober and good repute in his country , who hath laid here since the assizes for not consenting to find bond for the good behaviour , he not being convinced of any evil that he had done , but contrariwise suffered that peaceable people to meet sometimes in his house to wait upon god , was called forth , and asked , if hee could yet find sureties for the good behaviour , which he for conscience sake denying , is cast into prison again as formerly , there to continue . that self same day in the evening some more of the said people were called , the bishop being then upon the bench ; after the reading of the act made against that people , and some debate betwixt him and the iustices about their proceedings at the other sessions , which he thought ( the said bishop ) not to be cruel enough towards them , yet said , he loved mercy in his heart ; but the very first that was called before him , having been fined 50 s. before , and then coming upon the second account , the bishop sitting as iudg of the court ( and will not let to be accuser al●o ) being a furious man , had it seems forgotten all his mercy , so that there was not one groats-worth of mercy for the prisoner ; for james white being called , he was sentenced 10 pounds , according to the act , and the bishop cried out , abate him not one groat : thus they proceeded against nine in the like condition , fined them ninety pounds . the rest , it being the first time , less ; there being twenty , or above , men and women , which all of them bare it with a great deal of boldness , courage , and patience , blessing god that they were found worthy to suffer for his sake . also one william fallowfield a westmoreland man , coming into this county to visit some friends , and so to pass towards york to visit a brother he had living there , being taken at a meeting before he got out of this county , was cast into prison , and there continued nine weeks , was fined 50 shillings , returned to prison there to remain ▪ so that here remains onely nine prisoners at this present ; four for tythes , three praemunir'd ; one for having meetings in his house , the other for his fine . as to the body of friends in these parts all are valiant for the truth upon earth , and not at the least dismaid at the manner of these proceedings ; finding daily by experience the peace and presence of god with them ▪ having faith that god will assuredly finish the good work which he hath begun amongst us , to his own praise and glory for ever ; for which we with you , and all the elected and chosen of god remain waiting until the accomplishing thereof : your dear brethren in the bowels of the love of god , i.l. i.h. h.n. durham gaol 12th 8th mon. — 62 ▪ for the king and his council . being an account of above seven hundred of the people called quakers , who remain prisoners in england for good conscience . suffolk 24 bucks , about 40 hartfordshire 60 staffordshire 02 hide in kent 14 kings bench 12 white lyon 80 newgate 114 fleet london 03 new-prison 04 reading , many lately released , remaining 8 maidstone 08 cumberland 53 westmorland 12 leicestershire , many lately released , remain 4 counter london 02 hole in martins 01 worcester-shire 03 norfolk 27 lincoln 05 warwick 26 oxford 17 shropshire 07 gloucestershire 7 hampshire 07 cambridge 20 sussex 06 darbyshire 02 essex 19 bishoprick of durham 20 stafford 01 nottingham 06 cornwall 18 exon 02 northampton 25 yorkshire 1●● dorsetshire 11 bristol 03 ipswitch in suffolk 08 ilchester about 40 salisbury about 30 bridewell london 32 isle of ely divers lately committed . this is the most exact account that at present we can procure . most of these were committed since the act came forth against our meetings . and several remain in prison that were committed before this act came forth , to the number of about four hundred . we desire that the king would favourably consider the afflictions of these persons who suffer for righteousness sake , and not as evil-doers , nor as enemies to the king ; and that he would grant a release to those oppressed persons for their grievous bonds : so may the king be more happy and prosperous , and escape the judgements of god , which the oppressions of his people ( if continued ) will doubtless bring upon the land , which the lord is provoked unto . and that the king be prosperous in good things , is our desire . london , this 22. of the 8th . month , 1662. postscript . between 30. & 40. horsemen , who said they were the kings souldiers , quartering in southwark , went to a friend's house near london , & broke open the doors , notwithstanding there was one there that would have open'd any door to them , & under pretence of searching for arms , robbed a poor serving-man who was left to look to the house , and took away two pair of stockins from him , and a pair of shoes , and a bible and knife , and drank four or five bottles of wine up , and swore god damn him , and called him son of a whore , and so went away . a relation of what fell out the 26. of this month. the conclusion of our present news is not the least material ▪ this same day a great stir was in the city , and both many horse and foot marching in the streets all the day ; and in the forenoon ( the friends being met for the worship of god at ths bull ) there came horse and foot great number , and took away all the men , and dispersed the meeting , and guarded the men all away to newgate , and took up divers in the streets as they passed along . in like manner they did at the meeting in johns street , and at the meeting in aldersgate-street , and in wheeler-street , and at the meeting in jameses , and in southwark , and friends were hardly used at every meeting ; and to newgate that day were committed of our friends about one hundred and twenty persons and put in the common gaol above one hundred in one room among the felons ; and in old-bridewell were committed above thirty , and to new-prison about twelve , and are all continued prisoners . likewise there were taken very many of the baptized people and others . not one meeting that we hear of about the city , but was dealt with in like manner ; and rich , brown himself was in the head of the souldiers about the streets on that day . so there were divers hundreds committed that day to divers prisons . the end . a discovery of some part of the war between the kingdom of the lamb and the kingdom of anti-christ held forth in this account of several disputes and queries between a minister of christ (really so) and one that hath the name of a minister, but is proved to be a minister and member of anti-christ by evident testimonies : and is a short account of the covetousnesse, ignorance, envy, and the fruits of darkness brought forth by c. fowler ... / by edw. burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30520 of text r27139 in the english short title catalog (wing b5999a). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 65 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 17 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30520 wing b5999a estc r27139 09674117 ocm 09674117 43951 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30520) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 43951) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 1326:18) a discovery of some part of the war between the kingdom of the lamb and the kingdom of anti-christ held forth in this account of several disputes and queries between a minister of christ (really so) and one that hath the name of a minister, but is proved to be a minister and member of anti-christ by evident testimonies : and is a short account of the covetousnesse, ignorance, envy, and the fruits of darkness brought forth by c. fowler ... / by edw. burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 32 p. printed for robert wilson, london : 1659. reproduction of original in the harvard university library. eng fowler, christopher, 1610?-1678. antichrist. society of friends -apologetic works. a30520 r27139 (wing b5999a). civilwar no a discovery of some part of the war between the kingdom of the lamb, and the kingdom of anti-christ: held forth in this account, of several burrough, edward 1659 13127 33 0 0 0 0 0 25 c the rate of 25 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the c category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 spi global keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-04 jonathan blaney sampled and proofread 2004-04 jonathan blaney text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-07 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a discovery of some part of the war between the kingdom of the lamb , and the kingdom of anti-christ : held forth in this account , of several disputes and queries , between a minister of christ ( really so ) and one that hath the name of a minister , but is proved to be a minister , and member of anti-christ by evident testimonies . and is a short account of the covetousnesse , ignorance , envy , and the fruits of darkness brought forth by c. fowler , a professed minister in reading . and here all may see ( in some measure ) the differenc●●●tween christ , and anti-christ , and their authority and weapons ; and also the fruits and 〈◊〉 of each of them are made manifest . by one that makes war in righteousnesse , with the sword of the spirit against anti-christ , and all the parts of his kingdom : edw. burrough . london , printed for robert wilson , at the black-spread-eagle and winde-mill in martins , near aldersgate , 1659. to the reader . friend , the chief occasion of this being sent abroad to publique view , is to the people of reading most particularly ; but yet more general unto all , and though that it be chiefly unto a particular place , and against a particular person , to witt christopher fowler , one that hath the name of a minister of christ in reading , whose folly , and weaknesse , and ignorance , is herein discovered ; yet it hath partly relation to the whole ministry of the nation , and all men that do not shutt their eyes may see , and behold something of that great opposition that is at this day between the kingdom of christ , and the kindgdome of antichrist , and i have no other end in publishing of this , but for the satisfaction of them that desires it , and for the general good of all ; and if christopher fowler shall see himself justly reproved , and repent , it may prove good to him also , and i am not a man of strife , for if he and his brethren had not first challenged us to disputes , i had not had this occasion thus to proceed now , and in what i have done i referr it to the just witnesse of god , in the honest people of redding , and to all else where . e. b. a discovery of some part of the warr between the kingdom of anti-christ and the kingdom of the lamb , &c. forasmuch as great hath been the debate for these diverse years of late , between the lamb and his followers , and antichrist and his followers , and the one of them hath been opposing the other in their owne power and authority ; and great is the debate at this day between these two kingdomes ; which is endeavouring the overthrow one of the other , and all the strength and power of antichrist is put forth in defence of his kingdome , by persecution , injustice , false imprisonments , beatings and whipings , and spoyling of goods and persons , and railings , accusings , slandrings reproachings : by these wayes and proceedings doth anti-christ stri●e at this day , for the upholding and maintaining his owne cause and kingdome , and by this means and these weapons mentioned , doth he seek to defend himself , his church and ministry , and ordinances ; these are his weapons and armour , by which he opposes and fights against the lamb and his followers , whom the lord hath raised up for this end , and they have within these few years , more then ever for many generations , made an invasion and inroad , upon antichrist his kingdome , and government , and the great city babylon , and the seige is raised that hath long been laid against the holy seed ; and the great city babylon is taken , her walls are scaled and her gates broken , and her strength defeated , and her merchants spoyled of their goodly treasure ; for the day of the lord is come , and the holy seed is he leading out of the spiritual sodom and egypt ; and mistery babilon the great , hath god remembred for her iniquities , and her crueltyes , and mercilessnes , and all her abominations will god avenge upon her head ; and this doth come to passe , and not by the multitude of an host of men , nor yet by humaine pollicy and wisdom , nor yet by carnal weapons , not by goales , nor prisons , nor persecutions , these are not the lambs weapons , but these are antichrists and the dragons armour and weapons , which he makes warr by , against the lamb and his followers , even at this day in every nation : but the lambs weapons are truth , patience , long suffering , meeknesse ; and downe right sincerity of heart and tongue ; and by these things shall antichrist be slaine , and these weapons shall conquer his kingdom , love shall overcome hatred , meeknesse shall overcome wrath ; truth shall overcome decit and falsehood , and god shall overcome the divel . but more perticularly : great hath been the opposition and debate made one against the other ; and the battel between christ , and antichrist , hath principally been held forth between the ministers of the church of england on antichrists parte ; and the people called quakers on the other part : no man in the nation can be ignorant how the controversy hath depended betwixt these two , and what weapons they have used the one against the other , and also it is in part known the successe of them both , and how the one of them ( to witt ) the ministers ( so called ) have had on their part the strength of men , the magistrates power , the rude multitude , and humane craft , and the serpents policy , not any of these things have been wanting to them ; but yet a little seed hath sprung up in the nation on the other part unexspected by many , w●●ch hath had sincerity and truth in it , and the lord hath been with it , and he hath blessed it , though but little and very small in its beginning , yet it is prospered into a kingdome , for gods might and his authority dwelleth in it , before whom all nations of the earth must feare and tremble . but yet more particularly my present occasion of demonstrating these things are as followeth : and the engagement that lyes upon me hereunto , is not out of any personal enmity that i have against any , but my intent is for the discovery of the truth , that men may imbrace it , and for the laying open the decits of antichrist and his kingdome , that men may come out of babylon , and may not partake of her sinns , nor of her plagues ; and this matter now in hand cheifly concernes the people of the town of reading for their satisfaction , concerning the wayes , practices , doctrines , and proceedings , of christopher fowler one of their ministers : with whom i have been joyned in opposition two severall times in dispute with him , and the third time was appoynted for our meeting upon discourse as hereafter is related , but he not appearing at the time and place according to appointment ; and he notwithstanding yet continues in opposition too , and reproachings of the truth of the gospel , which i professe and contend for ; therefore upon this account do i thus engage with him , and not for contention sake , but for the open vindication of truth and righteousnesse , and sound faith and doctrine , held forth by us , and opposed and gain-said by him . the first opposition that fell out between him and me , was at a meeting challenged by himself , in that town about the ninth month in the year , 1657. and i shall at present forbeare his detestable and abominable practices and speeches against me and the truth , at that meeting , for indeed the remembrance of it is much passed from me , but many in that town may well remember to this day , how he howted and clapped his hands in the pulpit , as if he had been hunting on a mountaine , and also his ungodly speeches , and revilings towards me , as calling me dogg and vilain , and such like names , and when some of his owne people reproved him for such words , he said the worst words he had in his mouth was to good for me , and indeed such was his carriages , and words towards me , at that time farr off civility and not like a sober heathen , much lesse like a christan or minister of christ , and here followes what was written to him and to the major , and whole town , and sent the next morning after the dispute : which is some account of that dayes proceeding , and finding a copy of it by me ; i thought meet here to insert it . friends , rulers , priests , and people of reading . a few words to cleare my conscience to you all in the sight of god , i send among you occasioned by this dayes meeting ; ye people be ashamed of your priests , and ye priests be yee ashamed of your people , and all of you together , cover your lips and hide your faces , and be ashamed of your profession in religion : or to make mention of the name of the lord in that nature in which you stand ; whose lightnesse , and foolishnesse , and rudenesse , and wickednesse , exceeds some others ; yea , many with whom i have had to do in disputes , you excel in unreasonablenesse in words and behaviour , manifesting your selves some of you not to be civil men , much lesse christians ; and this very day much of your vanity , bruitishnesse , and uncivility , appeared to your shame , in the sight of all just and sober men and to your condemnation , in the sight of god ; who takes notice of your wickedness and unseemely behaviour : which you may call to mind and remember , that you may repent of your ungodly words and cruel speeches , and rude brutish gestures , which appeared in you without any feare of god , to your shame be it spoken ; and like priests like people , all out of the way , in folly and vanity , erring through lightnesse and wantonnnesse , not knowing the scriptures nor the power of god , but perverters of the one , and despisers of the other ; the sin of the priest will be charged upon the people , because you love to have those things so , and uphold him in his wickednesse , and the sin of the people will be charged upon the priests , who through lyes and lightnesse causes you to erre , and profits them not at all ; but is a blind leader of yee blind people , till both fall into the ditch together , who closes your eyes that you may not see , and shutts your eares least you should heare , and hardens your hearts that you may not understand ; and your destruction is of your selves , and your blood is upon your own heads , who scorns to be reproved , and despiseth the way of the lord , and will not receive his truth in the love of it , that you may be saved ; but is a blind willful , and stifenecked people , some of you who hath hearts and cannot understand : is these the fruits of your long profession , railing , mocking , scorning , laughing , hooting , foolish and vain words , nicknaming , and reproaching ? these things abounds openly among you to your shame , especially at such a time , when meeknesse , and sobernesse , and moderation , had much better become you , to have been brought forth by you ; your priests , exceeding the rest in vilenesse , and some of your rulers hardly being clear : remember your work , and call to mind your words , and wayes , and let shame cover your heads , from the highest to the lowest of you ; and thou proud wild , reproachful professed minister ; cease thy vain presumptious boastings against the innocent , and now when thou puts off thy armor , if thou hast gotten a victory glory , or rather hide thy face for shame , & stop thy mouth in the dust , whose lightness , & wildnesse , hath super-abounded some of thy fellows , who may be ashamed of thee in thy words and behaviour , whereby thou art sufficiently proved to be one that was never sent of god , if we had no other testimony : thy proud presumptious boast against the quakers , was with sobernesse and in the feare of the lord answered , to thy shame in the sight of all such , whose hearts are not altogether hardned and given up to believe lies ; and to do wickednesse , that they may be damned that believe not the truth : and first , as to the manner of the dispute on his part , was his railing , envious , reproachful , unsavory filthy words , of god or of the devil ? with much impudency many times uttered in the discourse ; as villain , sirrah , wretch , blasphemer , rogue , and such like lying words of bitternesse , more like the words of a brawling drunkard then for a minister of christ , and was his hooting , laughfing , and clapping his hands , and rude and unseemly gestures , and behaviour , of god , or of the devil ? more like in appearance to a stage player , then to a minister of christ ; to his shame i mention it , consider and answer these things , and let that of god in your consciences judge , to which i stand to be approved in meeknesse , and he to be reproved and condemned in his filthinesse and bruitishnesse , in the sight of god ; may not you who owned him in that discourse , be ashamed of him in these his words and actions , which appeared ? who boastingly gave a challenge to dispute of the things of god , and then to manage it in rudenesse and wildnesse , without any feare of god , in lying and slandring ; and at the end when things came to the head for tryal , to run away and not to stand to the end , though several times he was charged to it ; i appeale for answer to the light of christ in all your consciences , not like a minister of christ in any measure he appeared ; but as one that knows not the living god , nor his law , and fear , nor judgements ; and an unfit fellow upon tryal i found him , to dispute the pretious things of god , and through some nations ▪ i have hardly mett with a worse , which caused me to be the more silent then otherwise i would , for i chosed rather to be accounted a fool by silence , then to offend the just law of god , by giving holy things to doggs , or casting pearls before swine , in which nature he and some of you appeared , who falsly slandered the innocent with the name of jesuite and such like , crying away with him , with bitter and cruel words and gestures , pushing with your hands and crying a prison were the fitest , or such like , even like unto your fore-fathers the pharisees , who persecuted christ under the account of themselves being righteous , and he a blasphemer , and they laid snares for him to entrap him in his words as you did ; who when i would not answer according to your provoking , that you might ensnare me , would hardly suffer me to answere any thing , to clear and defend to the truth , against the boast of the wicked ; but by hooting , and laughing , and clapping of hands , and foolish jeastings , and unreasonable rudenesse , prevented me from speaking , and them that would have heard from hearing , as much as you could , even as bruit beasts or heathens , and not like civil people ▪ much lesse like godly christians ▪ nor like such as would or could soberly debate the truth of god to edification , and truly may i say i fought with beasts at reading , after the manner of men , but all was to make your selves and your pretended minister manifest , and all could not be so blind , but might understand his wayes and words , no to be guided by the spirit of god , but by the spirit of the devil ; who is the father of such works and confusion , as was brought forth by him in the meeting , in many uncivil actions , and reproachful words of envy . and also as to the matter of dispute on his part managed , was but a vain contention boastingly uttered without the fear of the lord , in a proud presumptious spirit , and a snare laid in the mid'st of his questions , and arguments to entrap the just , but in vain was the snare laid in the sight of the bird , and i chose rather to appear a fool to your wisdom , then to be made a prey upon by you , and caught in your deep-laid snare , for we are learned to be as wise as serpents ▪ and deeply did he and some of you , fall into the snare of confusion , and wickednesse , and false doctrine , as would have been laid open if he had durst to have staid , or you to have heard . the principal question was , whether the scriptures are the word of god ? which he affirmed , but could not prove by plaine scripture , unto which much might have been answered , and said , if patience , or any moderation , had ruled over your despiteful spirits ; but because i could not , ( to satisfy your wills , and to fulfil your purpose ) answere , yea or nay , and thereby make my self a transgressor ; therefore , hardly would you suffer me to say any thing , in any manner of arguing , but by wickednesse endeavoured to stopp my mouth ; my answer was , and is , the scriptures , ( the writings ) which are one , are but a declaration and witnesse of the word of god ; which word was in the begining , and endures for ever ; as iohn and peter testifies ; and the scriptures ( which are writings ) were not in the begining , but began to be written by moses many hundred years after the begining ; therefore , the scriptures , which were not in the begining , are not the word of god , which word was in the begining ; further the scripture saith , the worlds were made and framed by the word of god , but the scriptures made not the worlds , therefore the scriptures are not the word of god , which as the scripture it self saith , made the worlds , many such like witnesses might be alledged from the scriptures , to prove the scriptures are not the the word god , but a declaration of the word of god , which cannot endure for ever ; then he said he would prove the scriptures should endure for ever , but could not bring any plaine scriptures as i demanded of him to prove the assertion ; but went about in logick to prove it , and could prove no more then that the truth written of in the scripture should endure for ever , which thing i never did , or shall deny , and so needed not to be contended against by any sober men , but unreasonable men , who have not faith will say any thing for advantage to themselves , and disadvantage to the truth , which they are set to oppose : and he instanced , and said , it is written , christ is god blessed for ever , and thou shalt love the lord thy god with all thy heart , and said this should endure for ever : to which i answered , that which is written of only shall endure for ever , but the scripture and writings should not endure for ever , and further instanced god was written and was scripture , and should not endure for ever , though god should endure for ever , and he could not be written nor contained in a book ; and through your vanity in scorning , and hooting , and unreasonablenesse , according to your own purpose , least your deceiver should be made manifest , you prevented me , and would not suffer me further to speak , in what much more i had to say in this particular : & i observed that in all the questions and arguments , against me was hatched secretly a snare to entrapp me into suffering , and to this purpose some of you said wickedly ; i would presently dispute my self into prison : and further he instanced , thou shall honor thy father and thy mother , it is so written ; and said he , this is a command of god , and the word of god , and shall endure for ever , with presumptuous boasts , and scornful invented terms not beseeming any man , much lesse a minister ; he could prove this to be the word of god against all the quakers in the world , and and against all the fiends in hell , and against all the jesuits at rome , or filthy words to this purpose , and much i desired moderation from you , with dilligence to heare my defence , & thereupon many times desired the mayor , who was present to command silence , but i could hardly obtain any from you , you were so generally rude & rash , & unreasonable , and to him i replyed , that to honor father and mother in the lord , was a command of god , and was the word of god , and should endure for ever , but lukes writings ( the scripture ) were but a declaration of this command , and not the command it self , nor the word of god , and would perish , and not endure for ever , and bid you read luke 1.1 . there luke calls his writings , which are scriptures , a declaration , and much more might i have spoken to this thing , if i had been yoaked against a reasonable man , or if the auditors had been but civil , but you could not endure to hear , but said i subtilly insinuated into their people ; and thereupon several times some of you spake to the mayor to dismisse the people , i thinke least your hirelings should be discovered , and your wickednesse reproved ; and thus the thing came nere an end , he not being able to prove by any scripture , or right argument , the scripture to be the word of god , which shall endure for ever , but must , if his and your eye ever be opened , confesse to what i held forth , that only that which is written of in the scripture , or which the scripture declares of , shall endure for ever to be the word of god , and nor the scripture or writings ; then presumptuously he said , prove him if i could , to be a false prophet ▪ to which i answered , ( and desired much your moderation , but could not obtaine it , as though you had set your selves to be rude and vain ) to prove a false prophet was either by conversation , or doctrine , or both , and by his fruits he was known ; to preach for hire , and to didivine for money is fruits and signes of a false prophet , as the scripture testified , which should be my rule to try him by , if he durst stand to it , and they that preached for hire were false prophets , and he preached for hire , and therefore was a false prophet according to the scripture rule ; then he said he preached not for hire , yet he had hire for preaching , a poor shift to cover the devils deceipts , but it will not hide his shame , and it was proved that he preached for hire to all ; but such who stopped their ears , and it was manifested in his face that he sued some at the law which would not pay him tithes , and then i asked him to give any examples from the ministers of christ where ever they took tithes , or sued men at the the law who would not pay them wages , but to this he gave no answer at all , and thereby he was proved to be a false prophet , and a deceiver , and much more might have been said as to this , to prove him and his generation to be false prophets , as may be done at any time , but such was the unreasonablenesse at this passage , that you were nigh to lay violent hands upon me some of you , and least your deceiver should be made manifest , you would not suffer me to spake what i had to say , but cryed away with me : and tell me any of you when he preached any year or time , at this town when he had no hire , and therefore he is a hireling because he preacheth not without it , but for it , and so is a false prophet , and he being , i judge , sorely afraid least he should be discovered , went out of his pulpit door two or three times , till i called him back again , and charged him to stay if he was a man , and i would prove him to be a preacher of false doctrine , who in my hearing said , the scripture was the foundation of foundations , but when he heard this he rann away and fled like a hireling , and would not stay and i was and am ready in the presence of god & any sober men , to prove this to be false doctrine , & of the devil , and him to be no minister of christ ; who holds it forth . and all you sober minded men may be ashamed of him , who managed his work with so much wickednesse and impudency while he staid , and when it came to the very tryal then he runn away , and would not stand though i desired him , hereby did his guilt appear in flying the tryal , and this is the substance of the business , though not every particular word ; and i have gathered it up to send you and him , that when you see it , and consider , and read what you have done , you may be ashamed of him , and of your own unreasonablenesse ; and further he is already proved , and may be more largely hereafter , to be one that god never sent , both by conversation and doctrine , and no minister of jesus christ ; and not onely in the house , but when we were come forth , such was your violence to the stopping of us , when we were passing , and had not the mayor prevented it , our suffering from some of you had been more than it was : let the feare of the lord strike you , and let his light search wicked and ungodly hearts , and repent of your doings , and cease to do evil , and turn from your deceiver if you love your own souls ; and learn the way of righteousnesse and peace , which you have not yet known ; for in the broad way you are , and the end of it will be unto your everlasting destruction ; and to you this is a warning , and a visitation from the lord , by a lover of your souls who is true , though by you called and counted a deceiver , and this in love to your souls is sent unto you . e. b. here also followes certain queries to christopher fowler the same time , to which he never yet could give any sober answer , therefore i here insert them that he may yet give his answer . christopher fowler , seeing thou art a man so irrational , and so unsober to speak , and fairly to debate things in discourse , and thy auditory so rude , and inhumane in behaviour , and words : therefore to thee these few queries i propound , to try thee whether thou wilt shew the spirit of a man by writing more than by speaking , seeing therein i have tried thee to be more like a wild inhumane creature , than a sober and upright christian . seeing the scripture saith the word of god was in the begining , and the world was framed by it , and it shall endure for ever , hence i querie of thee . i. whether the scriptures be the very word of god yea , or nay ? seeing the scriptures were not in the begining , neither was the world framed by them , neither can they endure for ever , hence i querie of thee . ii. whether the very word of god be scripture yea , or nay ? seeing it is confessed , that which is written of , and declared of , in the scriptures , is the word of god , and the truth which shall endure for ever , hence i querie of thee . iii. whether the scriptures , ( the writings ) and the thing or subject declared and written of , are not two distinct things , ( so as one may have the one , and not the other ) yea , or nay ? seeing god and his word , will and mind is eternal , infinite and endlesse : hence i querie of thee , if thou hast an understanding , answer . iv : whether god his word , will and mind , is or can be contained , or holden in scriptures and writings , or but onely part of the declaration of him , of his word , will and mind , yea , or nay ? seeing such were false prophets which preached for hire , and divined for money , and sought for gain from their quarter , hence i querie of thee . v. whether by this rule art not thou proved a false prophet , who preaches for hire , and takes hire for preaching , and hath a quarter ( reading of some part of it ) from which thou seeks gain , answer in plainnesse ? seeing every tree is known by its fruit , as christ saith , hence i querie . vi . whether by this rule , thou that brings forth the same fruits as the false prophets did , viz. lies , lightnesse , pride , covetuousnesse , and false accusing , art not the same tree , viz. a false prophet ? seeing they were false prophets , who rann and were not sent , and did not profit them , the people at all ; but clothed themselves with the wool , and prepared warr against them that put not into their mouths , &c. hence i querie of thee . vii . whether by this rule thou art not proved a false prophet , who canst not prove that thou art sent of god , neither are the people profited by thee ; but are rude , and wanton , and wicked ; and thou prepared warr against them , that put not into thy mouth , by suing them at law for tithes , & c ? seeing scorning , lying , slandering , envy , hatred , lightnesse , &c. with much more of which thou art guilty , are the fruits of the flesh , and of the divel ; hence i querie of thee . viii . whether by this rule art thou not proved to be no ministers of christ , but of the devil , and a servant to him ; and a liver to the flesh , and not in the spirit , in whom these fruits of darknesse , and of the flesh are abounding ? seeing the scripture saith , the word of god was in the begining , and christ jesus is the foundation , and no other can be laid , hence i querie of thee . ix . whether by this rule thou art not proved a deceiver , and thy doctrine false ▪ and error ; and contrary to scripture , who said the scriptures are the word of god , ( which were not in the begining ) and said that the scriptures ( which are not christ ) are the foundation of foundations , and whether this doctrine of thine doth not deny christ , and so art proved to be antichrist , answer according to truth ? seeing thou confesses thou hast hire for preaching , yet saist thou preaches not for hire , hence i querie of thee . x. whether any of the people of reading , would give thee so much a year , if thou didst not preach to them , and if no , then whether they do not give thee so much , and thou receive it , because thou preaches unto them ? or did they give thee so much before thou preachedst ? or will they give thee any when thou doth cease to preach to them ? try them when thou wilt , and prove thy self a true prophet by preaching some years , and receiving nothing ; and till then i charge thee to be a false prophet ? seeing the ministry which christ jesus sent by the the apostles , did bring people that they needed no man to teach them , but as the anoynting within them , hence i querie of thee . xi . whether by this rule thy ministry is proved not to be of christ iesus , nor thou sent of him , by which none can come to this condition , that they need no man to teach them , ( produce any one if thou canst ) and so a ministry of anti-christ , and thou of the divel ? seeing they that abide not in the doctrine of christ , have not god ; hence i querie of thee . xii . whether by this rule thou art not proved to be without christ , and without god , who abides not in christs doctrine ; but are called of men master , and stand praying in the synagogue , and hast the chief seat in the assembly , and contrary to christs command ? answer these queries , with the spirit of sobernesse , if thou hast it ; and shew thy self a man , if thou hast the heart of a man ; and repent of thy wickednesse , and own thy condemnation upon thy former words and works . i am a friend unto thy soul , but a witnesse against thy deceits . e. b and after which time , for the space of two years , i had no communication with christopher fowler , till this last nineth month , at a place called east-hamsted , where a meeting of dispute was appointed , and challenged by some of his brethren , at which place again i mett with this my adversary , where we had some houres discourse , and many particulars of false doctrine fell from christopher fowlers mouth , some few of which hereafter followeth . first , one of his brethren in his prayer before the dispute , prayed to god to forgive them the athesm that were in their hearts of him and his brethren . answer , now an athest is one that denies god , and athesm is denying of god , according to common reputation , athesm is so taken ; so that how shall such a generation of men bring people to the knowledg of god by your ministry ? or how should they ever convert people , or profit them , who yet in their owne hearts denyed god , as the man acknowledged in his prayer before the lord and many witnesses ? the poor people of england had thought that the spirit of god had been in your hearts , but now we know that you deny god in your hearts , and you have confessed it to you ownr shame : are you ministers of christ , and yet denyes god in your hearts ; and in whose hearts lodges athesm ? oh! let not people be deceived by you , but repent , yee that know not god , but with your mouths confesse him , and with your hearts do deny him . christopher fowler also affirmed that day , that the scriptures are the glorious everlasting foundation of foundations . answ. and hereby it is made manifest that he hath totolly denyed christ , and so proved with his brother , confest in his prayer , that indeed athesm is in their hearts ; and so he hath denyed christ , whom the scriptures say is the foundation , and no other foundation can any man lay , and upon him were the saints builded in their faith , and all their practices of religion ; for he is the corner stone , as it is written : and thus he hath dishonoured christ , in setting the scriptures above him , and taking the honnor from him , and giving it to the scriptures ; and i shall leave this his doctrine to be considered , with a querie , to these people of his church in reading , whether he is worth hearing , or giving money to for preaching , that holds forth such doctrine ? and whether it is possible he should bring them to christ , who hath in effect denyed him to be the foundation , and held forth , that the scriptures are the glorious everlasting foundation of foundations ; much i need not say to uncover the error of such a doctrine . again he affirmed , that a man at one and the self same time might be a minister of christ , and a deceiver . answ. and here all may see the weaknesse and ignorance of this strange paradox , and indeed which is contrary to the scriptures , which saith , no man can serve two maststers ; & it s very certaine that he that serves the divel , doth not serve christ at the same time ; and he that serves christ doth not serve the devil : and so his doctrine is anti-christan , which would make people believe , that though they serve the devil , yet they are the servants of god ; and this is as much as he hath said , that one may be a minister of christ , and yet a deceiver ; now a deceiver is one that followes the spirit of the devil , and a minister of christ is one that followes the spirit of christ , and these two spirits are contrary , and not both ruling in one man at one time : but then to helpe the matter , he said , a man might serve christ in office , but not in love : to which my answer was , let him say whether he , and the priests of england , did serve christ by way of office , or love , both , or either , and i should prove the contrary ; but that wee prosecuted no further : some other things were affirmed by him , that day not now remembred . he said , that christ was a sinner , from this argument laid down by him ; all that dies are sinners , christ died , therefore , &c. these , and such things he held forth all that day , besides the unsobernesse of his words , and carriages towards me , who called me a dogg diverse times , and did use very ridiculous jestures and words towards me , even to his own shame in the sight of many people , and the people of that country doe it well remember , his unchristian like proceedings , and were ashamed of him ; but at last went his way , and all his brethren , and i was left among the people ; and i need not now mention , for many , even themselves know it , what losse and disadvantage they sustained that day ; and gods loving truth was advanced , and the advantage of it that was obtained on the lords behalf ; but i being not yet as it were wholly satisfied , but would endeavour further to the laying open deceit , and to invade antichrists kingdome ; the next morning after the dispute it was upon me to write forth , and to send him this paper of propositions following : whereunto is annexed his answer . c. fowler : friend , seeing thou art so high in thy spirit against us , and against the truth which we professe , and from time to time dost open thy mouth so wide in justification of thy self , and thy practices , and in false charges against us ; and though we have had divers meetings , and and the differences between us allwayes appeared greater and greater , therefore this i propound unto thee , whether thou wilt give another meeting of open dispute for the tryal of thee , and thy wayes , and of us , and the truths which we hold forth , for the satisfaction of the people ? and these things following i propound , as the subject matter worthy to be handled , which may discover thee , and us , to the satisfaction of all that desires in that case . first , what be the evident signes and tokens of a wolf in sheeps clothing ? and whether thou or wee in the sight of the people , and of the lord god can clear our selves , to be clear and free , from the marks and signes of such aforesaid ? secondly , whether wilt thou stand to be tried in thy ministry , in thy call to it , practice in it , and maintenance of it , by and according to the scriptures of the old and new tement ? & wilt thou admit of tryal of thy church , and worship , and ministry thereby ? and this being done , we do engage to suffer the like tryal in any part , and every part of our religion . thirdly , whether there be any other foundation of faith , &c. for the people of god at this day , then jesus christ onely , and alone ? and whether he was not the foundation to the fathers before the scriptures were written ? and whether he that layes or preaches any other foundation , doth not dishonor christ , and spoke contrary to the scriptures ? these things with some others , which we may have occasion to spake of , are we willing to discourse with thee , for the further clearing of the truth , and laying open deceit ; for yesterday i had much more to have spoken to thee , hadst thou not gone so hastily away : so if thou art willing to joyne in discourse with me again , appoynt place and howre , either this day or to morrow , for my occasions will admitt of either of these two dayes , allwayes provided that we may have all moderation , and may proceed in meeknesse like men , and not like raylers as thou appeared yesterday to thy own shame . an answer hereof we do expect with speed ; and we are friends to all that love righteousnesse . e. b. thomas curtis the original of this was delivered to the hands of c ▪ fowler in reading , the next morning after the dispute at east hamsteed , and being given to him at his steeple-house-doo● , when he was comming out from his worship , he would have given them again to the messenger , after he had it in his hand , and opened it , but not being taken , he said he would burn it : and thus people may see , that though he cryed against us as deceivers behind our backs , yet he is one of them dumb doggs that cannot barke , nor fright us away , if we were such as he saith of us . and here all sober people may understand the temper of this my adversary , and i shall leave them to judge of the proceedings between him and me ; but yet though he denyes to meet me , yet when i was passed out of the country , he caused the following paper to be fixed upon the steeple-house-door at east hamsteed , where the dispute was drawn up by him , and set their as a hidious vapour , to enchant the minds of people ; it may be not supposing that ever it should have come to publique view , as now it is like to do to his shame . a true charge in ten particulars against the people called quakers . 1 they that pernitiously deny the scriptures to be the word of god , and hereticks and blasphemers : but ●●ose called quakers do thus deny the scriptures to be the word of god ; therefore they are hereticks and blasphemers . 2 they that deny the scriptures to be the foundation of faith , and rule of life , they are hereticks and blasphemers : but the quakers do this ; therefore they are hereticks and blasphemers . 3 they that do not own the lord iesus christ to be god by nature , are horrible blasphemers : but those called quakers , do not own the lord iesus christ to be god by nature ; therefore they are blasphemers . 4 they that say the good works of the saints are meritorious of eternal life , are hereticks and papists of the worst sort : but the quakers say so ; therefore they are hereticks and papists . 5 they deny the ordinance of water baptisme , and the administration of the lords supper , they are antichristian hereticks : but the quakers do this ; therefore the quakers are antichristian hereticks . 6 they that deny the sin of infants are pelagian hereticks : but the quakers deny the sin of infants ; therefore they are pelagian hereticks . 7 they that deny the resurrection of this body , are hereticks : but the quakers deny this ; therefore they are hereticks . 8 they that deny the christian sabbath , are very erronious : but the quakers do this ; therefore they are very erronious . 9 they that quarrel at , and deride the singing of davids psalms , calling them the ballads of hopkins and sternhold , the kings fidlers , they are foolish , ignorant , and prophane in that : but the quakers do this ; therefore they are foolish , ignorant , and prophane in this . 10 they that publikely charge the office and call of ministers with lyes and calumnies , they are railers and slanderers : but the people called quakers do this ; therefore the people called quakers , are railers and slanderers . these things through the lord i am able to justifie , and if i do not , i shall be contented to be called a deceiver : let them chuse their own time as soon as they please ; in witness whereof i have set to my hand , this twenty sixth of november , 1659. christopher fowler . and according to providence , this paper coming to my hands , though it s believed without any purpose in him ; to which i did return my answer , as to answer his challenge ; and neither time nor place being mentioned by him , but both left to us to appoint , i did appoint reading for the place , and nominated a certain day for the time , and he had nigh a weeks notice from me ; and the time appointed i went to reading to attend the service , but when i came there , i understood that he would not meet me according to his own proposals and agreement , but nominated another place , and another time , which was supposed by me and others to be but a present evading of the matter : whereupon his denial to meet me at the time and place appointed by me , this following letter i sent unto him . c. fowler , whereas a challenge of thine ( to us called quakers , for a dispute upon ten particulars ) was set up on the steeple-house-door , at easthamstead , and leaving it to us to appoint time and place , i did appoint reading for the place , and the fourth day this week , called wednesday , the 21. of this moneth , for the time ; and in order to proceed ( upon the particulars in dispute with thee , the place and time abovesaid ) i ordered my occasions so as to attend upon the service the said time ; but i being come into the town this night , do perceive , that thou art not content with the place and time , though they were left to our appointing in thy challenge , but hast appointed another place and time , upon some feeble reasons which thou gives , which i might shew the weakness of , and might upon many better reasons say , that reading is the only place seasonable to dispute at ; for if thou be indeed a true minister of christ , the people of this town best deserves to know it , by hearing it to be so ; and if thou art a deceiver , the people of this town had the most need of any others to know it , by hearing thee disproved : so upon this place i have pitched , and cannot now change my resolution , nor alter , neither time nor place , by me before-mentioned , my occasion will not admit me to it : therefore i thought good to write to thee , to know for certain under thy hand , whether you will give a meeting or not in this town , the fourth day next , as aforesaid ; if not , this matter must yet remain as it stands between us , till a more clear opportunity ; for i cannot be at okingham the day mentioned by thee , because my service is already determined for that day , and for some other reasons also in my own brest : let me have a plain answer from thee , that i may dispose of my self as the lord guides me for his service . this is all for present i do desire , who am a friend to all that love the lord . reading the 19th of the 10th moneth , 1659. e. burrough . but to this letter his answer was , he would not meet me at reading , for there was no need of dispute there ; and therefore it is my present work at this time , for to answer his ten particulars in writing , and to make them publike to all , that all may judge of this matter : and indeed , but that for these ten particular charges , and that truth may be clear from those charges in his ten particulars , i believe i had not thus proceeded in this publike manner ; but because he ceaseth not to speak evil of the truth , and yet will not come forth fairly to tryal , neither will answer me any queries in publike , but keeps a secret reviling and reproaching ; therefore do i thus proceed . answer to the first position . thy major and thy minor are both lame , and both false , and thy so conclusion falls to the ground ; for the quakers do not perniciously deny the scriptures to be the word of god , but they in sincerity say that christ is the word of god , io. 1.1 . rev. 19.13 . and the scriptures are the words of god , and a declaration , and a treatise , and this testimony is according to the scriptures , luke 1.1 . acts 1. and it is not heresie nor blasphemy to deny the scriptures ( to wit , the writings ) to be the word of god , but the truth written of , and those things declared of in the scriptures , are the word of god , and not the writings , which are scriptures . but this is further spoken to before , and so i pass it . answer to the second position : thy major position is utterly false , and not grounded upon any part of the scriptures , so that the minor and the conclusion are both denied , and cast out : for a man may say , that christ is the foundation of faith , and the spirit of god is the rule of life ; for thus the scriptures say : and a man may lawfully deny the scriptures to be the foundation of faith , and rule of life , and neither be heretick nor blasphemer : was the apostle a blasphemer and a heretick , who said , no other foundation could be laid , but that which was laid already , which was christ ? and was he a heretick and a blasphemer , that said the sons of god were led by the spirit of god , and exhorted to walk by the rule of the spirit ▪ and are the quakers blasphemers and hereticks , who holds forth that truth the apostles hold forth ; and who walks by the spirit , walks according , and not contrary to the scriptures ? o thou perverter of the right way of god , who hast falsly accused the innocent in thy illiterate logick ! answer to the third position : in this thou hast falsly accused ; but yet let us consider thy words ; there was a nature in that man jesus christ , that was born of the virgin , that was subject to cold , heat , thirst , and hunger , and subject to be tempted of the devil ; and this nature was not god , whose nature is infinite , eternal , unmeasurable , not subject to hunger nor thirst , nor to heat and cold ▪ nor subject to temptations ; so that a man may say lawfully , and be no blasphemer , that there was a nature in him which was not god , and yet the fulness of the godhead dwelt in him to ; and he is the everlasting father , and the father is in him , and he in the father : and thus by a sound interpretation of the word , ( god by nature ) thy major , and minor , and conclusion , are all made void . answer to the fourth : the good works of the saints are wrought in god , and by his spirit , and its god that works in them to will and to do , and all such works are worthy works , glorious works , and blessed works , even unto eternal life ; as the scripture saith , glory , honor , and peace , be to every man that worketh good , rom , 2.7.10 . and no man by faith without works is justified , for faith without works is dead , and a dead faith doeth not justifie : this is our faith , and the faith which the apostles were of ; and we are neither hereticks nor papists , no more than were the apostles : and thus thy argument is vain , and falls to the ground , and hath no weight in it unto sober minds , though self-righteousness is altogether abomination to the lord , and justifies not any man . answer to the fift : a man may deny the sprinkling of infants , and the administration of bread and wine , as is held forth in your assemblies , and be neither antichristian , nor a heretick ; for the institution of sprinkling infants , and administring of bread and wine among unconverted people , was never ordained of god , nor practised amongst the apostles ; if thou sayest it was , prove it out of the scriptures , or else stop thy mouth ; and to deny such ordinances and practises which god never commanded , nor the saints of former ages ever practised , is not antichristian , nor heresie : but thus do the quakers , and therefore they are not antichristian , nor hereticks , upon this accompt : and thus thy proposition is not worth any thing , for the end proposed by thee , but thy weakness and folly is made manifest , and thy idolatrous practises , so much pleaded for by thee , are denied , and opposed by the spirit of the lord . answer to the sixth : as for the sin of infants we do say that infants in general , that is to say , every particular infant that is , or hath been born into the world hath sin , for some were filled with the holy ghost , and some were sanctified from their mothers womb ; and what sin had such ? and the scripture speaks , that the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the believing husband , else were your children unclean , but now are they holy : and what sin had these ? so that thy major is proved defective , and so thy minor and thy conclusion is worth nothing , though as to the general part , we do believe , there is a nature whereby all are children of wrath , in degeneration . answer to the seventh : this is a false accusation , thy minor proposition , and is a lye ; and so thy conclusion is utterly false . answer to the eighth : as for the christian sabbath , we do not deny that ▪ for christ is the saints rest ; and the seventh day of the week is the jewes sabbath , and not the christian sabbath ; and so this is but a false accusation , as the rest ; and as for the first day of the week , which you observe for sabbath , you have neither binding example , nor express command in scripture for that practice . answer to the ninth : as for the singing of davids psalms in rhime and meeter , and in the custome as practised amongst you , we do utterly deny to be any ordinance of god , or any part of his worship , though you say it is ; yet we never had other proof of you than tradition of time , and long custome , and by this you would seem to plead the practice to be a duty : but this satisfies not us , though we do not quarrel nor deride at your practice in this particular ; ( as thou grounds thy argument ▪ ) but this we do , we freely give our testimony against your practice , from time to time , in the fear and power of the lord , yet not as quarrelling and deriding , after the 〈◊〉 . though we do say they were composed in rhime and metter , by sternhold , and hopkins , and others , which 〈◊〉 musitioners to the queen ; and in this we say true , and are neither ignorant , foolish , nor prophane , as thou sayest ● and we give witness against such your practise to be antichristian , and you deceivers of the people thereby ▪ so hereby is thy conclusion made void , and a place is brought in for another ; they that act such things , and observe such practises , in pretence of honour and worship to god , which is not commanded nor instituted of god , nor which his spirit leads unto , they are idolaters , and their worship , and their practise is abomination unto the lord . but thus do the ministers and people of the church of england ; and therefore the ministers and people of the church of england are idolaters , and their practises abomination unto the lord . answer to the tenth : thy minor proposition i do deny ; for we do not charge the office and call of the ministers of the church of england with lies and calumnies ; but this we say , their office and their call is not from the lord , nor by the authority of his spirit , neither is their office and call according to the scriptures , but it is different and contrary , both to the spirit of god , and the scriptures , and is not from heaven , but rather from the whore of rome . and though we do affirm these things concerning the ministry of england , yet we do not charge it with lyes and calumnies , but we speak the truth in righteousness : and what would c. fowler , and his brethren , have said of the true prophets , that called the priests and watchmen of israel , ( that were made by divine institution , which the office and call of englands ministry never was ) that called them blind watchmen , and greedy dumb dogs , and devourers of souls ? might not they have said to the true prophets , you charge the office and call of the priests of the lord , with lyes and slanders ? and this is like the case between us and the priests of england : and did not christ call the chief-priests serpents , vipers , and hipocrites , and those priests were in their office , and call of gods institution ; but might not they have said that he charged the office , and call of the priest-hood with calumines , &c. and the case is the same with us , and it is accounted no sin by the lord , for us to give our witnesse against the wayes and practices of the priests of england , and utterly to deny both its office and call ; for they that do professe their office and call , to be of god , and from him , and yet can give no true testimony thereof , by the spirit of god , and according to the scriptures , such are deceived and deceivers of others , but such are the priests of england , and therefore , &c. and thus i have returned answer to his tenn propositions , and laid down some others in their place his being confounded , and i must leave it to be judged of by the witnesse in every mans conscience , whether he hath not shewed his madnesse and folly in his matter , and in the way of his proceedings ; as for the matter he charges us withall , it s wholely invalid as for the end proposed by him , and we account of his worke as but the malice of an anti-christan spirit : and as for his proceedings they are inconsistant with a minister of christ , for him and his brethren to fly from me at his dispute at east ham●teed , before mentioned , as being not able to defend their cause , this he and they did as many in that country knows ; and then for him the next morning , when i did invite him to meet again upon sober reasons , which he also denied , and refused to meet me any more , and yet afterwards when i was gone out of the country , to go and hatch such mischief in his mind , as to invent tenn such vain arguments , and cause them to set up on the steeple-house-door , on purpose to villify , and reproach the innocent people of god , this was his wickednesse as all upright men may see ; and further for him to challenge to dispute these particulars , and leave time and place to our appointing , which when time and place was appointed , sutable and equitable on all parts , and yet for him to refuse to meet at that time and place , this was his folly and madnesse , as understanding men may discern ; and further for him yet to raile behind our backs , against us in his pulpit , and to charge us , as if we refused to meet him , this is his hypocrisy , and the deceitfulness of his heart , whereby he thinks to keep the people in blindness , but the light is now arising in the hearts of people , whereby such deceits and deceivers are fully discovered , and they cannot now be hid . and though for many ages deceivers , and false prophets ▪ have hid themselves under the profession of ministers , and fine names ; yet the day of the lord is dawned , which hath made them fully manifest , and now their sheeps clothing will not hide them , though they cover themselves therewith , and have deceived the world thereby , and these babylons merchants , they have made great gain upon people , and traded with the souls of men , and souls have been murthered , even for dishonest gain ; but the plagues of god is coming upon the earth ; which the whore , the false church hath corrupted , through her sorceries , and witch-crafts , and as she hath done unto others , in causing them to drink her cup of abominations , and false principles , doctrines , and practices , which the beast and his power hath imposed upon the nations , and nations have been made drunk thereby , and in particular this c. fowler , with whom i am now dealing is made manifest , to be one of these merchants of babylon , who hath made merchandize of people for gain to himself , and such are his covetous , cursed practices , having a heart excercised with covetousnesse , and oppression , as is well known in the town of reading , as for instance . first , it was charged upon him , and confessed by him , that he sued at law twelve poor men of reading , for the tythe of their turneeps , and with much malice and greediness did prosecute the twelve poor men , and put himself and them to great charges and trouble , only he confessed he took but twenty nobles of them , and thought he did favourably with them . now this was acknowledged by his own mouth , which is a clear demonstration of the covetousness and oppression of this man , and that he is a grinder of the faces of the poor , and exceeds in unmercifulness and cruelty , the very worst of the false prophets that ever we read of in scripture . oh! abominable practise , which shames christianity , and the profession of christ , that ever such a fellow should have the name of a gospel-minister , and that ever people should be so blind , as to receive this man for a messenger of god , who hath a heart filled with such cursed g●inding practises , who is in the way of bala●●● , and exceeding him in covetousness . secondly , he said , he did not preach for hire ; but confessed that he had hire for preaching . answ. with this kind of foolish paradox he would deceive and blind the people , for if he have hire for preaching ( for ) sheweth a reason , and it is the same , he hath hire , because he preacheth ; that is the reason wherefore he hath hire , and so he is a hireling ▪ and it may easily be proved , that he will not preach , if he have not so much money , tythes , or such things , and his own example before-mentioned , in suing at law twelve poor men , for the very tythe of turneeps in the garden , doth demonstrate him sufficiently to be a hireling ; as also a third particular ; which is , he demanded money of a certain man in reading , for marrying the said man , whe●●as the man was married by another ▪ yet notwithstanding the said fowler forced the said man to give him seven shillings and six pence , because he pretended he was a man of his parish ( to wit ) within his quarter , where he seeks his gain . answ. and thus it is fully manifest more and more , that he is one that seeks for his gain from his quarter , and is a compleat man in the very nature and steps of the false prophets of israel , whose example he doth follow , and not the example of any of the ministers of jesus christ . was not this a piece of griping covetousness , to demand money of the man which he married not ? oh abominable ▪ what , wouldst thou have wages without any work ? this is a degree beyond preaching for hire , to claim and receive money of a man , having no manner of due , nor title thereunto : well , people cannot be so blind , but they must needs see thy folly , wickedness and covetousness . fourthly , christopher fowler at a certain time did give a poor minister , so called , five shillings , and afterwards there happened to be a collection for the poor irish , and he snatched five shillings of that money away which was gathered , and said , he gave five shillings awhile ago to a poor minister , this was his pretence , and thus he defrauded the poor irish people . answ. was not this also a foul covetous practise and hypocrisie too , in pretending to give a poor man some money , and afterwards , as it were , to rob others to pay himself ? here is a double iniquity , and unmeasurable covetousness , which the lord will judge : and the like of this manner of greediness is seldome to be found so foul , and so extreme deceitful and covetous : but all these things are but a further testimony of his naughtiness , and this i do in order , that all men may beware and take heed of the mouths of wolves in sheeps cloathing , which tears the flocks , and devoures both souls and bodies of men , such a one as this man , with which i am now dealing ; let all men beware of him , least they become his prey . fifthly , another covetous practise of christopher fowlers was , he sold one load of straw twice , and the man that bought it first , did sue him at law , and it was prosecuted , and fowler was cast , to his great shame ; and this the people of reading very well knows . answ. nothing need be said , as to discover the wickedness and covetousness of this practise , the worst of men seldome ever is found in such a practise : is not this an unfit person to mention the name of christ , or to take it into his month ▪ oh deceitful man ! who art unfit to be called a christian , much less a minister of christ ▪ these , and divers others such like covetous practises is c.f. highly guilty of , as many good people very well knows . divers other things i could mention , but these for present are sufficient , for the end that they are produced , which is to lay christopher ●●●lers wic●edness upon him , that he may feel the weigh● of it upon his conscience , and that all sober people may be warned of such men , that they have not to do with them . ●●t however , if christopher fowler shall answer my queries propounded to him , and shall seek to clear himself from what i have said , he shall hear further from me , however in the mean time , let him stop his boasting and vaunting , and vapouring challenges , till he hath answered what is charged against him in this book . but and if christopher fowler doth go on with his railing accusations , and presumptuous boasts against us , then let him appoint any time that he shall please , and in the lords power i shall ingage , that he shall be met at what time he will appoint , in any place in reading . reading ▪ i do appoint for the place , let him appoint what time he please for to dispute of any such thing or things as we may agree upon at our meeting ; and though he is unwilling to dispute in reading , yet there is no other place so suitable as that town is , for many reasons as may be shewed ; and i suppose justly , that his unwillingness to dispute at reading , ariseth , least he should be discovered among his own hearers , and therefore would evade the matter , by seeming to be willing to dispute at other places , which is not so suitable , nor yet so reasonable ; but if he will at reading , let him appoint time at his pleasure , and he shall be answered , if god permit . now c. fowler , hold up thy hand , guilty , or not guilty ; whether a minister of christ , or a deceiver ; come to the bar , and receive the sentence , thou that hast long been accounted by some as an oracle , thy glory is fallen , and thou art brought into contempt : how have they been deceived , that have looked upon thee as an oracle ? thy language is sentenced to be of babylon ; and the beast , and false prophet , must be taken alive , and cast into the lake of burning . the day of the lord is come . the end . ansvvers to severall queries put forth to the despised people called quakers, by philip bennett, who cals himself a minister of christ, but is found a deceiver; answered by them to whom they were directed. also, ansvvers to severall other subtil queries put forth by one iohn reeve, who lives in the city of london, who cals himself the last messenger and witnesse unto the true god, but is found a false witnesse, and a lyar, and a perverter of the right way of god. / answered by edward burrough, and francis howgill, who are witnesses unto the truth against this subtil serpent-like generation. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a77938 of text r207330 in the english short title catalog (thomason e813_4). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 72 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 11 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a77938 wing b5984 thomason e813_4 estc r207330 99866387 99866387 167943 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a77938) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 167943) images scanned from microfilm: (thomason tracts ; 124:e813[4]) ansvvers to severall queries put forth to the despised people called quakers, by philip bennett, who cals himself a minister of christ, but is found a deceiver; answered by them to whom they were directed. also, ansvvers to severall other subtil queries put forth by one iohn reeve, who lives in the city of london, who cals himself the last messenger and witnesse unto the true god, but is found a false witnesse, and a lyar, and a perverter of the right way of god. / answered by edward burrough, and francis howgill, who are witnesses unto the truth against this subtil serpent-like generation. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. howgill, francis, 1618-1669. [2], 18 p. printed for giles calvert, at the black-spread-eagle, at .., london, : [1654] annotation on thomason copy: "octob: 3". imperfect: imprint cropped; date of publication suggested by thomason catalog. reproduction of the original in the british library. eng quakers -england -london -early works to 1800. a77938 r207330 (thomason e813_4). civilwar no ansvvers to severall queries put forth to the despised people called quakers,: by philip bennett, who cals himself a minister of christ, bu burrough, edward 1654 13852 92 0 0 0 0 0 66 d the rate of 66 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the d category of texts with between 35 and 100 defects per 10,000 words. 2007-05 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2007-06 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2008-04 john pas sampled and proofread 2008-04 john pas text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-09 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion ansvvers to severall queries put forth to the despised people called quakers , by philip bennett , who cals himself a minister of christ , but is found a deceiver ; answered by them to whom they were directed . also , ansvvers to severall other subtil qveries put forth by one iohn reeve , who lives in the city of london , who cals himself the last messenger and witnesse unto the true god , but is found a false witnesse , and a lyar , and a perverter of the right way of god . answered by edward burrough , and francis howgill , who are witnesses unto the truth against this subtil serpent-like generation . london , printed for giles calvert , at the black-spread-eagle , at 〈…〉 answers to severall queries put forth to the diepised people called quakers . we having received a paper which was directed to rich. roper , and to his quaking friend , which words comes from the dark carnall mind , quaking and trembling , which the saints and holy men of god witnessed , we own and witnesse ; therefore do we deny thee and all thy dark divinations . whereas thou philip benett , in thy note which thou hast writen to roper , in answer to a letter which he wrote to thee , wherein he charges thee to be a lyar , and a false accuser , and charges thee to bring any man to witnesse what thou hast spoken by them , whom , thou sayes , denyed that christ that dyed at jerusalem , and who they were that denyed that christ that suffered at jerusalem , or else acknowledge thy self to be a slanderer , and in thy paper , thou gives no answer at all to these words , but sayes , thou called the congregation to witnesse , but doth not mention one in all the congregation that will witnesse it , whereupon the lye rests upon thy head , and thou found to be the lyar , and the slanderer , and the false accuser . and whereas thou sayes , thou hast sent queries concerning that matter , thy queries makes thee manifest what thou art , many of thy own tribe and generation , if they saw thy queries , would be ashamed both of thee and of thy queries ; for hundereds there are in the world that knowes nothing of the true and living god , and yet would see thee and thy queries not to be worth answering , yet lest thou should boast in thy filthy ignorance and darknesse , and for clearing of the truth to the simple : something in answer to them . 1 quer. whether was the vvord made flesh , or the son of god made of a woman more or oftner then once ? answ. in this first querie thou hast manifested what thou art to all the children of light , and where thou art , and what spirit thou art of , a reprobate , a child of darknesse thou art ; thou might have spared the other nineteen queries , for in this querie thy spirit is tryed , and in the eternall light seen and known : thou askes whether the word was made flesh any more or oftner then once , which makes it plainly manifest , that thou knowes not what thou askes , and that thou dost not know nor cannot witnesse the word to be made flesh once , but art one of the antichrists and deceivers which john speakes of , that are entered into the world , which cannot confesse jesus christ come in the flesh , and therefore thou queries whether the word was made flesh any more or oftner than once , which querie comes from thy dark polluted minde , who is out of the light , and a stranger to the life , and without god in the world , amongst the false prophets , antichrists and deceivers which are in the world , and in the light of christ , which condemnes the world , yea , are all seen , known , and made manifest , and are turned away from by these who dwell in the light , which light condemnes thee and all thy generation eternally ; and the word made flesh we witnesse which dwells amongst us , and we behold his glory as the glory of the only begotten of the father , according to the scripture , whereby we witnesse thee and all thy generation to be in the sorcery , and in the witchcraft , deceiving and betraying the souls of the simple , the light of christ in thy conscience will tell thee so , for that thou must be obedient to , and witnesse before thou witnesse the word to be made flesh once , for thou art darknesse it self , and the light in thy conscience , if thou would let it rise , will be thy condemnation , and when thou can witnesse the word to be made flesh once , then thou wilt know whether the son of god was made of a woman any more or oftner than once : but thou art the dragon that would devour the manchild which the woman hath brought forth , who shall rule all nations with a rod of iron , and her child is caught up to god and to his throne , thou , the dragon , and thy angels is cast out into the earth ; and therefore dost thou persecute the woman which hath brought forth the manchild , but thou art overcome by the blood of the lamb , and the word of his testimony ; and for thy other nineteen queries , thou hast conjured them up in thy black art out of the bottomlesse pit , which is to be turned into perdition , if thou had an ear thou might hear , or an eye thou might read , but thou art blind . 2 quer. whether did the man christ jesus the son of god , slain , ( in respect of gods decree and efficacie of his death ) from the foundation of the world really and indeed suffer death or dissolution of soul and body , as upon the crosse at jerusalem , more or oftner than once . answ. here in this querie thou diviner is found adding to the scripture thy divinations of thy own brain , whereupon the plagues of god is to be added unto thee , and poured upon thee , for as thou sayes , the man christ jesus the lamb of god , slain ( in respect of gods decree and efficacie of his death ) from the foundation of the world . oh thou lyar , let all people see where there is such a scripture that speakes as thou speakes here , but in the sight of christ thou art seen , and in the life comprehended , and art for condemnation . the man christ jesus we own and witness , and the lambs book of life , which was slain from the foundation of the world we witnesse , the lamb of god , which takes away the sins of the world , we witnesse according to the scripture ; praises , praises , eternal praises , be to the lord god for ever , and thee to be the beast that makes war with the lamb we witnesse , and thou anti-christ which looks at christs death at jerusalem alone , and cannot confesse him no otherwise but without thee , here thou art but equall with the pope of rome , for he confesses christ dyed at jerusalem as well as thou ; so let all thy congregation see what they hold up that followes thee . 3 querie whether did the man christ ever really and indeed suffer in his own person , for that end and after that manner which he did once upon the crosse at jerusalem , before the time , or since the time ? answ. here thou full of all subtilty hath made manifest thy poison and enmity , but with the light of christ thou art seen , and known , and with it condemned for ever ; christ jesus in his own person doth , and ever did , suffer by thee , and such as thou art , and by thy generation he did suffer at jerusalem , and doth suffer where he is made manifest by you , after the same manner , and thou blind pharisee and blasphemer , would thou have christ to have more ends in suffering than one ? 4 quer. whether was not that death which the man christ suffered once , and but once , upon the crosse at jerusalem so satisfactory for all the sins of the elect , as that the justice of god , did not , doth not since require any suffering or working upon that account , either from sinner or from saint . ans. here thou jesuite art pleading again for a christ farre off thee , according as thy father doth at rome , that christ that dyed at jerusalem did not satisfie for thee who art an enemy to him , and doth not abide in his doctrine , but acts contrary to his commands , and art under the wo , which he cryed against them that were in the same stops where thou art , and from that wo thou shalt never fly ; the death of the man christ jesus which suffered at jerusalem we own and witnesse ; the same christ that suffered at jerusalem we witnesse made manifest , and the one god and the one mediator we witnesse and know ; betwixt god and man , the man christ jesus , according to the scripture : and here thou lyar art made manifest to all thy congregation to be a lyar , who said amongst them , that we denyed that christ that died at jerusalem , so let them all be witnesses of thy lyes , & let thy mouth be stopt thou lyer , who art for the lake ; and whereas thou queries whether the justice of god be not satisfied for the sins of the elect , here let shame strike thee in the face , that ever thou should take upon thee to speak to any people , and knowes not the scripture ; where dost thou read in all the scripture , that god doth require satisfaction for the sins of the elect , or laid any thing to their charge , let all people try thee here by the scripture , and see whether thou be not a blind ignorant sott , who doth not know what the justice of god requires , neither from sinner nor from saint , isa. 42. 1. isa. 65. 9. 22. luk. 18. 7. rom. 8. 33. 5 quer. whether you be reconciled to god by any other obedience , than that particular obedience which christ performed in his own person , and is mentioned in the scripture , or by any other suffering or death , than that which christ once suffered upon the crosse at jerusalem ? ans. silence flesh : would thou , ( who art an enemy to god , and a child of disobedience , in whom the prince of the air rules ) know how we are reconciled to god , and by what obedience , first own the light in thy conscience which condemnes thee , and be obedient to that , and then thou shalt know by what obedience it is that reconciles to god , for yet thou knowes no obedience , nor the death which christ suffered upon the crosse , thou dost not know , but art an enemy to the cross of christ , and in the mistery of iniquity , and in the dark power and man of sin ; what hast thou to do to talk of obedience , who art reconciled to thy lust , and sin reigns in thee , and thou art blind in the broad way that leads to death , as thy fruits makes it manifest , who lives in strife and envy . 6 quer. whether did not the man christ suffer as a publick person in the elects stead , or in their behalf , and for that end that none who believed in him might dye eternally ? ans. there thou blinde guide makes many replyes , but still one and the same thing , but thou makes it manifest , that thou dost not know the man christ at all , nor his sufferings , for death reigns in thee yet , that hath passed over all men that askes this querie ; for a publick person christ is not to ●●ee , but a mistery which thou knowes nothing of , and for the redeeming of the elect from under such mouths as thine , did and doth christ suffer ; and those that are brought to believe denyes such dumb idoll shepherds as thee , who as yet doth not believe , and therefore shall dye eternally . 7 quer. whether the sufferings of christ now in his saints , be all the satisfaction that is made to , or which the justice of god looks for , for sins past , present and to come ? ans. there thou blasphemer askes thou knowes not wha● ; is not christ the same now as ever , and is not the sufferings of christ satisfactory where ever ? what wilt thou have to satisfie , if the sufferings of christ do not satisfie , let all people take notice what a blasphemer thou art , or what they can learn of such a one as thee , who knowes neither the justice of god , nor the sufferings of christ in his saints . 8 quer. whether was not that body of jesus which consisted of flesh , blood and bone , and which was offered upon the crosse at jerusalem , the one and onely sacrifice for sin god accepted , and to which alone exclusively the saints before under the law , and the saints since under the gospel , did and do look to be justified by , without any other works . answ. here again thou art replying thy former sottish queries , which rises out of thy dark mind , concerning the body of jesus , as the devill did about the body of moses ; let thy mouth be stopt here , for the body of jesus thou knowes not , nor what it consists on ; and the offering of it up thou knowes nothing of , but what thou knowes and heares by the outward letter , that it was offered up at jerusalem ; and the sacrifice for sin thou knowes not , and thou art none of the saints , neither under the law , nor under the gospell , but art without in the world , in the broad way , blind leading the blind into the ditch ; and for thee the body of christ is no satisfaction ; and thou reprobate , what hast thou to do to talk of believing , for that is the condition of the saints , they do believe and are justified , and their works thou knowes not , thou disobedient one , upon whom god will render vengeance in flaming fire . 9 quer. whether there be not another righteousness by which the saints are justified in the sight of god , than that which christ works in them and by them ? answ. there thou accursed art made manifest , who preaches another gospell , and would have another righteousnesse than that of christ , here thou beast to whom the plagues of god is due , and upon whom his wrath must be accomplished , here thou hast made thy self manifest , thou who would have another righteousnesse than the righteousnesse of christ , which he works in the saints and by them , and so thou would be justified and live in thy sin , but thou art shut out from god for ever ; and we witnesse justification by faith , and the just shall live by his faith . 10 quer. whether doth sanctification or justification in order antecede holinesse of life or justification by faith go before , or whether doth not god love man , ere man loved god ? answ. here thou dark blinde hypocrite hath shut thy self out from the knowledge of god in any measure , oh that ever people should be so blinde as to look for to learn any thing at such a one as thee but sin and filthinesse ; and what hast thou been teaching them all this while , that neither knowes sanctification nor justification yet , but art querying whether goes before , let all people judge if thou be not a teacher of lasciviousnesse , sin and uncleannesse , and how darest thou mention a holy life , or justification by faith ? which knowes neither justification nor sanctification . and thee , man , which art cain , god doth not love nor accept thee nor thy sacrifice , and for justification by faith thou knowes nothing of it , which we own and witnesse , 〈…〉 doth not love god ▪ 11 quer. whether the justice of god be not fully satisfied for all the sins of the elect , ●re christ appear to their souls , or holinesse appear in their lives ? ans. here ●hou full of all subtil●y a●t comprehended , and with the light of christ thou art seen , and with the life judged and condemned , who would say sin to the charge of the elect , when the scripture saith , vvho shall ●ay any thing to the charge of gods elect ? it is god that justifieth , who shall condemn ? the soul that sinneth shall die . thou sorcerer , doth the elect of god ●in ? shall the elect dye ? to that in thy conscience i speak ? 12 quer. vvhether the holy lives , or holy works of the saints be not excluded from the act of justification , from the guilt of sin ? ans. thou dead beast hath made it manifest , that thou art a stranger from the life of god , and is excluded from the holy life of the saints and their works , who art que●ying whether this be not excluded from justification : oh that ever thou should open thy mouth , or take upon thee to speak of the scripture ; doth not the apostle say , 1 pet. 1. 18. for as much as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things , as silver and gold , from your vain conversation , but with the precious blood of christ , as of a lamb without blemish and without spot , who verily was ordained before the foundation of the world was , but was manifest in these last times for you , who by him do believe in god , that raised him up from the dead ? now let all people read this chapter , and try thee , who knowes nothing of jesus christ , but as thou hast heard of him , that he was crucified at ierusalem , and so thou art unredeemed from thy vain conversation , and so art not justified before god , nor never shall be , but those that can witnesse redemption by the precious blood of jesus christ , as all the saints of god do , are justified ; and by the same that they are justified thou art condemned into the lake for ever . 13 quer. vvhether is that righteousness which is wrought by the saints every way answerable to the justice of god ? ans. there again thy blindnesse is made manifest ; is there any righteousness but that of jesus christ , and is not that every way answerable to the justice of god ▪ but such polluted filthy beasts as thou would have another righteousnesse , as thou ▪ speaks plainly in thy ninth querie , but all thy righteousnesse we deny , and the righteousnesse of jesus christ we own and witnesse , whose righteousnesse shall be revealed upon thee in flames of fire . 14 quer. vvhether none be accounted righteous in gods sight , in whom there is any corruption , or failing , or who do not fulfill the law , and answer every demand of justice ? ans. here thou polluted beast hath made it manifest what thou hast been driving at all this while in thy queries , which is , that thou would have corruption and filthines to be accounted righteous in gods sight , that so thou might lye and wallow in thy sins & filthinesse , but iohn saith , that he that commits sin is of the divell : for the divell sinneth from the beginning , and for this purpose the son of god was made manifest , that he might destroy the works of the divell , and thou man of sin would have it to stand , but those that loves god keeps his commandements , and they are not grievous ; and god doth not accept anywhere there is any failing , or who do not fulfill the law , and answer every demand of justice , and he doth reserve the unjust unto the day of judgement to be punished , 2 pet. 2 9. and chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleannesse , and there thou art . 15 quer. vvhether a soul be justified before god by the non-imputation of sin , and the imputation of the righteousness of the person of christ to his faith , or by a righteousness wrought by christ in the person justified or to be justified . ans. here stop thy mouth thou sorcerer , which art gathering up here a heap of confusion , which is fit for nothing but to be turned with thee into the bottomlesse pit , from whence it comes , wherein thou talkes of imputation and non-imputation , and of a person justified , and to be justified ; thy language is of aegyt , and in the mystery of iniquity , thou speaks it , which is condemned into the lake of perdition by the light of christ , and in the light thou and it art seen and comprehended ; and as i told thee before , i own no righteousnesse but what is of christ , and wrought by thee , which righteousnesse shall confound thee and all thy unrighteousnesse and conjuration , and the same that justifies us shall condemn thee eternally . 16 quer. vvhether christ be in his saints in respect of that nature wherein he suffered at jerusalem ? ans. here thou enemy of christ would know how the saints injoy christ here , the scripture is fulfilled upon thee , the light shines in darknesse , and darknesse comprehends it not , when thou comes to own thy condemnation , the light in thy conscience it will let thee see thy evill deeds , it will lead thee up to christ from whence it comes , and then thou wilt know that nature that he suffered in ; but now thou art in that nature that iudas was in that betrayed him , and that they were in that crucified him . 17 quer. how , and after what manner christ , who in respect of his divine nature is infinite and in all places , may be said to be in a saint , and not in reprobate ? ans. what hast thou to do to qu●rie after the divine nature , who art the naturall man , that knowes nothing of god , but what thou knowes naturally as a bruite beast , and knowes not the things that be of god , because they are spiritually discerned ▪ and the manner of christs divine nature , which is infinite , is hid from thy eyes , for of that eye that thou should see that with thou art blinde , and the manner of his being in a saint thou knowes not , who art a reprobate , and thou shalt find him to be thine eternall condemnation . 18 quer. vvhether doth christ now in these dayes assume or take upon him the form of a servant , and the seed of abraham , that is our flesh : and whether doth not this assumption cause such a perfection of the godhead and the manhood , as that both of them are united together into one person ? ans. o thou dark beast and conjurer , who art querying with thy conjured words , that which thou knowes nothing of , and which is out of thy reach and comprehension ; thou blasphemer , dost thou limit christ to dayes , in taking upon him the form of a servant , and the seed of abraham ? is not he the same now as ever he was ? and for the union of the god-head and manhood , as thou calls it , let thy mouth be stopt , for with thee god nor none of his children hath any union , for god ha●h put an utter enmity , betwixt thy seed , thou serpent , and the seed of the woman , and the perfect union with christ we witnesse , who is the same to day , yesterday and for ever , and therefore are we separate from thee and thy generation . 19 quer. vvhether is christ now conversant upon earth , amongst men , since his ascension , as he was before , and in those times wherein the apostles lived ? ans. in thy queries thy speech bewrayes thee , thy language is the language of aegypt , for in it thou makes it clearly manifest , that thou knowes not christ at all , not in the least measure , for where the first principle of truth is made manifest , it is the same that ever was , and never changes ; and thou askes whether christ be now conversant upon earth amongst men since his ascension , as he was in the apostles time ▪ dost thou know what thou askes ? did he not appear to the apostles since his ascension , in the most glorious manner that ever thou read ; and is he not the same now as he was then ? what would thou make of him , thou dark sottish beast ) such a one as thy self , who would be pleading for darknesse and ignorance of god , but praise and glory to him who hath discovered thee and all such deceivvers as thou art . 20 quer. vvhether did not christ dwell among his saints , after another and more visible manner than now he dwels in his saints ? ans. there again thou hast shewed thy ignorance of the scripture , and for thy word visible , he is not , nor never was visible to thee , nor to thy generation , for those that did professe the scriptures , as thou and thy generation doth , crucified him , and said he was of the devill , as thou , and such as thou art doth now ; thou blasphemer , where hast thou a scripture that saith , that christ would dwell in his saints after another manner ? did he not say , it is expedient for you that i go away , and i go and prepare a place for you , and i will come again and receive you unto my self , that where i am there you may be also ; and ye have heard how i have said i go away and come again unto you , and if ye loved me , ye would rejoice , because i go unto the father ; and christ jesus saith in the 14. iohn 12. verily , verily i say unto you , he that believeth on me , the works that i do , he shall do also , and greater works than these , because i go to the father : but all these scriptures is hid from thy eyes , and thou art one of those that isaiah prophesied on ; and that scripture is fulfilled on thee which saith , he hath blinded their eyes , and hardened their heart , that they should not see with their eyes , nor understand with their hearts : now blessed be the lord that hath discovered thee , and such blind guides as thou art . so we have answered thy queries in the eternall light and life of god , and we have given judgement upon thee and them , which thou shalt eternally witnesse , without roving or wandring , but thou who art out of the light art roving , and wandring and stumbling in darknesse , who hath put forth these stumbling ▪ queries , which we have answered lovingly and plainly , and in the scripture language and termes , and with the eternall light and life of god , set thee in thy own place , which thou shalt eternally witnesse . these are matters of great concernment , and if you refuse to answer them in writing , spare your tongues and spare your papers , for i will henceforth neither hear the one , nor read the other . ans. thou saith , these are matters of great concernment ; we see that that which makes thee manifest , and such as thou art , and which layes thee open to poor ignorant people , which is deceived by thee and led into the ditch , and their souls kept in death by thee , to make this manifest is of great concernment , as these dark black stumbling queries , and thy conjured words hath done ▪ which thou hast no scripture for , as ambiguity , efficacy , exclusively , antecede , and non-imputation , assume , and assumption : now let all people read and consider what they do that holds such as thee up , who is shut out from god , and shut out from the saints life and language , and art shut out of the scriptures , though thou makes a trade of them for mony , and deceives poor people , but thou knowes nothing of the life and power that gave them forth ; so thou art to be condemned with the light , and with the life which gave forth the scripture . let all people read deuteronomie 18. from the 9. verse to the 15. there the priests and the levites which was ordained of god ; was to have no inheritance among the people , but the lord was their inheritance , and they were to have it of that which was offered up to the lord , and this is a figure of the everlasting priesthood , which ministers out of the everlasting treasure ; and the lord god commanded israel , that not to do as they did when they came into the land , nor to go after their abominations , as you may see , but gave israel their land to possesse , that did hearken unto such as the lord had not sent , which was abomination to him , and the lord saith to israel , thou shalt be perfect with the lord thy god , and in the 15. verse the lord thy god will raise unto thee a prophet from the midst of thee , of thy brethren like unto me , unto him shall ye hearken ; and so to the end of the chapter , he that hath an eye may see , and the lord is the same that he was , and he will not suffer the abominations that is committed in this land , but is discovering the abomination of it ; a horrible and a filthy thing is committed , which ieremiah cryed against , covetous men preach , drunkards preach , swearers preach , lyars preach , strikers preach , and proud men preach : oh , wonderfull , where is your eyes ? try your priests by the scriptures , see if they be not found in the same generation that all the false prophets and the deceivers were in which the true prophets of god cryed against , and discovered , and in the steps of the scribes and pharisees , that christ cryed w● against ; and see if they be not the antichrists and the deceivers which are entered into the world , which iohn speaks of , which cannot confesse christ come in the flesh ; but transgresseth , and abideth not in the doctrine of christ , so hath not god , neither knowes him ; but preaches for sin , and against perfection , and denyes the light which enlightens every one that comes into the world , and so keeps people in blindnesse and ignorance , and out of the knowledge of god , and never any that followes them shall ever come to the knowledge of the true and living god , therefore all people see where you are , and minde the light in your consciences , which is pure , and which testifieth against all sin , and it will let you see all your blinde guides which deceives you , to be in sin , and ignorant of god ; for they deny that which should make him manifest , therefore beware what you hold up , and give over going after them , to that in your consciences i speak , which shall witnesse me eternally to speak the truth , if you obey it , and shall condemn you eternally , if you disobey it . these blind guides that are in this land , denies the prophets which moses wrote of , which is the substance of the priesthood , which was before , and here they are found in the same generation , in the sorcery and in the witchcraft , which the lord commanded should be put out of the land , where the children of israel went to possesse . answers to several other subtil queries put forth by one iohn reeve who lives in the city of london , who cals himself the last messenger and witnesse unto the true god , but is found a lyar , and a perverter of the right way of god . a certain writing is come to our hand , called an epistle from the mighty jehovah , or jesus the onely lord , and god of the elect israelites , from one , whose name is subscribed iohn reeve pilgrim , who cals himself the last messenger , and witnesse unto the true god , unto which , for the sake of the simple , we , ( as one spirit ) are moved of the lord of heaven and earth to write something in answer , that so his folly may be made manifest , and his ignorance and blasphemy laid open , unto the simple hearted , who have been long deceived by such through their false voice , lo here , and lo there ; friend , to thee , who hath subscribed this writing , who cals thy self the last messenger , and witnesse unto the true god , i answer , the lord of hosts , and god of the elect israelites , doth not accept thy testimony and witnesse ; for thy spirit is made manifest not to be the spirit which came from god , and which dwels with god , which bears true witnesse unto god , but the spirit which is driven out from the presence of god into the creation , and into the visible world , and that is the living spirit , and bears not true witnesse unto the true god , but is a spirit which beares witnesse to the imaginations of thy own heart , which looks upon , and declares the living god , as if he were carnall , and a creature-like substance ; and here the scripture is fulfilled upon thee , thou thinks he is altogether such a one as thy self ; and for the true god thou art no messenger , nor hast received any message from him , for thy spirit is known , and he never delivered his message unto it in any generation , but kept his secret sealed up from it ; and friend , here i charge thee in the presence of the true spiritual god , that thou be-lies the lord of hosts , who sayes thy epistle is from him , thou uses thy tongue , and saith , the lord saith , when , saith the lord ? i have not spoken unto thee ; & of that generation thou art which ieremiah cryed against ; and therefore let all flesh be silent before the lord , and call not thy own imaginations his word , but thou who hast a dream , tell thy dream for a dream , and he that hath the word of the lord , let him speak it faithfully ; and though thou call thy self the last messenger , and witnesse unto the true god , yet i say unto thee , verily the lord hath a witness which was before thee , which hath been slain in the streets of the great city , which the lord will bring forth after thee , which will bear true witnesse of the true god , & against thee , and thou who hast been alive , shall be judged by him which hath laid slain , & he will eternally condemn thy testimony and message ; friend in the light of christ , which hath lightened every one that comes into the world , thou art comprehended , and seen , thy beginning , thy time , and thy end , and with it thy testimony and message is denyed , for thy testimony is such , and if thou swear the lord lives , thou swore falsly , and further , thou sayes , by inspiration of the holy spirit thou was moved to present this epistle : i answer , the language of the holy spirit is like it self , pure and spirituall , but thy language is carnall and sensuall , and so is thy spirit ; the saints which spake by the inspiration and moving of the spirit , cursed not that which god had blessed , as thou dost , neither did they say the elect was defiled as thou dost , neither did they speak of god as a carnall substance , as thou dost , but said that god was a spirit , and here be thou a witnesse against thy self , that thou speaks not by the inspiration and moving of the holy spirit , but speaks thy imaginations , and lies in the name of the lord ; and whereas thou sayest in this confused age , there hath appeared variety of spirits pretending to be sent by the everlasting god , yet they are at war with all their power to overthrow one another , that their own opinions may bear rule ; i answer , among the many pretenders thou speaks of , thou art one ; and it is true , you are at war with all your power endeavouring to overthrow one another , that your own opinions may bear rule , and though there be among you variety of opinions , yet by one spirit you act , for the kingdome of the devil is but one , and yet divided , and it is at war with it self , and therefore it cannot stand , and you cannot overthrow one another , but one is appearing to overthrow you all , and all your opinions , for all you pretenders are made manifest by your fruits , and thereby men may try you , for nothing is to be gathered from you but opinions and ayery imaginations , some of you speaking of a god , and christ afarre off , to believe in , others of you speaking of a god and of a christ within , and afarre off to believe in , thus you feed people by your own imaginations , and some of you pretends revelation , others of you denying revelation , and thus you strive to set up your own opinion , but you live all in one nature , and are of one generation , and he that walks in the light sees you all , and comprehends you all , and judges all your opinions , and are redeemed out of all your vain im●dgination into the life of god , acting and speaking as the spirit acts and speaks , and seeks to exalt christ , and him to bear rule , that all opinions may be by him thrown down , and that by him people may be brought out of a confused age , into the land of r●st , and peace , and righteousnesse to serve the true spiritual god , in the spirit , and by the spirit of his own son ; and further , thou sayes , some there are takes upon them to speak of a god , and of a christ in the invisible heavens , above the starres ; but are uncapable to demonstrate how christ by his spirituall word lives in mens hearts , and how he reigneth visibly in glory with his elect angels : i answer , there are not some but many , which lives in , and speaks forth their own imaginations , upon god and christ , and one of them thou art , thy spirit is tryed , god who is a spirit , dwels in the spirit of his son , even in the high and holy place , and with him also who is of a contrite spirit , and trembleth at his word ; but this by thy vulterous eye is not seen , neither can any demonstrate how christ dwels in the heart ▪ but he who witnesseth it through death , and where he reigns his glory is with him , and his elect angels , this i witnesse , but to thy carnall eye it is invisible , and by thy carnall wisdome he can never be known , christ and his spirituall word is not to be divided , though thy sensuall spirit would divide them , but by the flaming sword thou that speaks art divided from both , and shalt know neither but to thy condemnation ; and further thou sayest , others there are which speaks of an eternall spirit , or christ onely in the consciences of men , as if there were no creator ●● christ at all visibly reigning upon his throne of immortall glory ; i answer , they who talke of an eternal spirit , or christ in the conscience by hear say , o●●● other mens words , without ( as thou dost ) and doth not in life and power witnesse it , from the father within , made manifest , such are denyed by them who witnesse the eternall spirit dwelling with the contrite heart , which spirit is the creator which dwels also in the high and holy place , and reigns upon his throne for ever , and who do in power witnesse this , sees and judges all y●ur carnall imaginations , and conceptions of the living god in your carnall minds , where he dwels shall no unclean thing enter , but is without to be troden in the wine-presse of his wrath for ever and ever , and by him shall thy carnall conceptions be consumed , even by the breath of his mouth , for he is eternall , and his throne is eternall , and by the carnall eye shall never be seen ; and further thou sayest , there are , who through unbelief that ever any living creature had a beginning , they affirm there is no god or christ at all , but perishing nature , of this sort are innumerable , witnesse the lives and conversations of people every where ; i answer , all who do witnesse the eternall spirit made manifest , to rule and guide all such , doth deny and declare aagainst , for nothing was without beginning but the eternall word , which was the beginning of all things , and which will be the end of all things , even the destruction of the wicked , and the salvation of them that believe , who are born of the immortall seed , and redeemed out of the perishing nature into the image of god , and such do set to seal there is a god , who will reward every one according to his works , and beares witnesse against them , who in their lives and conversations denies god , as all do who do not witnesse the eternall spirit of christ ruling in the consciences , but talkes of a god in imagination at a distance , and such are innumerable , and saith in their heart , there is no god , and such are the fools the scripture speaks of , and whereas thou beseeches to consider of these ensuing particulars ; i answer , they are considered , and by them thy ignorance is made manifest , and thy folly disclosed , and thy blasphemy , who cals thy self the last witnesse . 1 quer. in thy first particular thou queries , whether these men were sort forth by the eternall spirit to preach , which in the least cannot demonstrate what the onely true god is in himself ; and how he is a distinct being from all living creatures , and how he reigns in the elect by a created word , voice of spirituall motion onely . answ. those men were not sent forth by the eternall spirit to preach , who have not received it , and such knowes not god , what he is , no● where he is , but in their imaginations imagines him to be like a creature , by being i● a creature by place or habitation , god is a spirit , and he is not distinct from living creatures , for in him living creatures lives , moves , and hath their beings , and he is not far from them , nor distinct from them as he spake , who was sent by the eternall spirit to preach , he reigns in the elect not by a created word , voice , or a created spirituall motion , for the word which lives in the elect , from which voice and motion proceeds , is not created , but is uncreated , even as god is uncreated , for god is that word , and here thy ignorance appears , by calling the word which lives in the elect a created word , or voice , or motions , and here be a witnesse against thy self that thou speaks from darknesse , and not from light , which darknesse cannot comprehend the shining of the light , and this discovers thee more to be a false witnesse , and not the true witnesse of god , and therefore thy portion must be portion of false witnesses , read what it is . 2. quer. in thy second particular thou queries , is not this an infallible demonstration to men , that a man is sent forth by the eternall spirit , if he have received a gift from the holy ghost , to demonstrate what the true creator was in his own distinct essences , nature and glory , from all eternity in time , and to all eternity , and wherein elect men and angels differ in their natures , and glory , distinct from their creator in their persons . answ. he that hath not received a gift from the holy ghost in some measure , is not sent forth by the eternall spirit , or god of all truth , this is infallible , and such knowes not what the creator is , but by imagination , and carnall conceptions of him , and such in the light of christ is seen , and by it judged , and among such thou art , to that in thy conscience i speak , which will witnesse me , he that hath received the holy ghost , turnes people from the power of satan to the power of god , and knowes the creator , and the dwelling of him in the heart , for as the scripture saith , the word is nigh , but let all flesh be silent , he who is in time , knowes not him which was before time , and shall be when time shall be no more ; he who knows the creator which inhabiteth eternity , is redeemed out of time , into the habitation of the almighty , but this to thy dark minde and spirit is unknown , if ever thou know it , it must be through death , the nature and glory of the elect differs not from the nature and glory of the creator , for the elect are one with the creator , in his nature enjoying his glory , which was from eternity unto eternity , he that reads let him understand , thy word distinct essence , i deny , for the elect is not distinct from the creator , but lives by the dwelling of the son in him , and with the son the father dwels also , if thou hast an ear , thou mayest hear . 3 quer. in thy third particular thou queries , what that angelicall serpent was in his creation , which the scripture speaks of , and how he came to be cast out of his glory , and how he overcame innocent eve , and how he entered into her wombe , and changed her pure seed into his nature of unclean reason ? and thou askes , what think you , was not that man cain the first murdering , lying devill that ever was ? and is there any devill but proud , vain-glorions , unmercifull men and women ? ans. that same which speaks in thee is that same serpent which the scripture speaks of , and if thou have the spirit of moses , thou knowes what he was in the creation ; for moses saw his creation by that spirit which was before he was , and if thou know his creation in thy self , then thou may know him without thee , but yet he lies under his vail deceiving thee , and is not deceived by thee ; and by the same which thou lives in he was cast out of his glory , even disobedience , and he overcame inocent eve even as he overcomes thee , by promising what he fulfilled not , and by presenting that which was visible , and so her minde was led out , as thine is , and by her consenting , he entered and got power , and set up his habitation , which is now standing in thee , and so she became the likenesse of himself , her minde and lust st●ayed into the visibles , out from the creator who is invisible , and spirituall , and she now lives under the curse , and brings forth cursed children , such as thou art who puts forth these queries , and this child was begotten by him who deceived her , and he is the father and prince of all you , who are wells without water , clouds without rain , and wandering starres having no habitations in the heavens , the blackness of darknesse is reserved unto you for ever , ye who speaks great swelling words of vanity ( that ye are the last witnesses and messengers , &c. ) but you your selves are servants of corruption , and to the last part of thy querie : i answer , before cain who is a lying devill was a child , he was a father , and if thou hast an ear , thou mayest hear , the proud , vain-glorious , unmercifull men and women , who bears his image must with him be tormented in the lake which burneth ( by the kindling of the breath of the almighty ) for ever and ever ; and here thou art answered , though not to the feeding of thy wisdome , but in the light by which thou art comprehended , which light will eternally condemn thee who hates it . 4 quer. thou queries what condition adam was formed in , and how he came to fall from his estate , and what sin it was they committed ( adam and eve ) and whereby the elect and reprobate are defiled . ans. adam was created in the image of god , and god breathed into him the breath of life , and he became a living soul , but eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evill , therein he turned from the command of god and did dye , if thou hast an ear thou mayest hear , and thou that queries hast eaten of that tree , and thou shalt never know in what condition he was created in , but through the death : for a sword is set at edens gate to keep the tree of life , which will cut thee down , before ever thou know or can witnesse his estate , and as for the elect being defiled , here thou makest thy self manifest , that thou never knew what the elect was , for the elect is born of god , and he that is born of god sins not , and the promises of god are to the elect , and election obtains it , and the elect was never defiled : if thou hast an ear thou mayest hear , that which is defiled shall not enter into the holy city , and here thou hast manifest thy ignorance , and art that reprobate thou speaks , which is ordained of old for condemnation , which is the transgresser which is cast out , thou hast no communion with the elect , for thou art defiled and art without the gate , to be trodden in the wine-presse . 5 quer. what that heavenly glory is , and where it is that the elect wheat of christ shall eternally enjoy , who are the seed of adam , and not of cain ? answ. what that glory which the elect which thou spoke of in thy fourth querie shal inherit which was and is defiled , it is to be in hell , in utter darknesse for ever and ever , where all the unclean are , and thou would know where it is , it is without the gate of the city , among the dogs and whoremongers , and lyars , and deceivers , and whatsoever is defiled shall be trodden in the wine-presse of the wrath of god for ever and ever , where is weeping , wailing , and gnashing of teeth . but as for the elect wheat of christ , which thou sayest is the children of adam , thou speakest thou knowes not what , the first man is of the earth earthly , and he begate his image , and that which is earthly shall never inherit , but are to have their portion with cain , where thou art that hath uncovered thy nakednesse , but the elect and the wheat shall be gathered into the barn , and they are not , nor ever were they defiled , but shall reign with the lamb in the new jerusalem for ever and ever , where no unclean thing can enter , nor nothing that destroyes or defiles in that holy mountain of the lord , if thou have an ear thou may hear . 6 quer. vvhat that painfull and shamefull death in utter darknesse , and where it is , that is reserved for the reprobate , who are the seed of cain , and not of adam , or blessed abr●ham . answ. thou that queries shalt surely know , it is tophet , prepared of old even for the king , the burning of it is as fire , the breath of the lord doth kindle it , it shall be destruction for ever and ever , to that which hath given forth these queries , and it is to be separated from god for ever among all idolaters , and adulterers , and liars , the unbelieving , the abominable , and the fearful , in the lake of fire ▪ where the worm dieth not , nor the fire goeth not out ; as for adam thou knows nothing of him ; the first birth that he begate was cain , who slew his brother , who hath his portion with cain , and not with abraham , the promise was not to the transgresser , nor to adam who eat of the tree of knowledge , the promise came upon ; in the day thou eatest thou shalt dye , he was driven from the presence of the lord into the earth in the curse , the promise was to abraham , in isaack is the blessing , not in ishmael ; and here thou sh●ws thy ignorance , but it is but like the former , when thou joynes the elect and reprobate together , light and darknesse , and in babylon thou art , but in that which was before babylon was , thou art seen , and as for those dark spirits thou ●peaks of , who minde nothing but their lusts , condemning the glorious things of eternity , because their carnall reason cannot comprehend them : see at home , for in the light of christ thou art seen , that thou knowes nothing of eternity , but by thy dark imaginations , and naturally as a bruite , to the light of christ in thy conscience i speak , which will let thee see it is so . 7 quer. are there not deceived persons , and utterly ignorant of the true god , who judge men and women in darknesse , if they a●k them questions about the needfull things of eternity : is it not because they went before they were sent , and so are of a bitter spirit for want of spirituall light to satisfie the ●ender christian querier . ans. all who dwell not in this light , which is pure and eternall , are ignorant of god , and never knew god , such judging shall be judged , and by the light which sees and comprehends all darknesse thou art seen , but the spirituall man judgeth all things , and he is judged of none , and all judgement is committed to the son , and where he i●made manifest he speaks , and judgeth righteously , and those men and women who would be asking questions of eternity , and never came to the first principle to be guided by it , the light which leads to eternity , all such men and women are in darknesse , and that minde which is in the earth and in the naturals shall never know ; and therefore they are judged to be in darknesse , and darknesse cannot comprehend the light , christ and his disciples answered and judged that spirit which would have had a sign ; and called them adulterers , and which spirit we witnesse to the praise of god ; and to thee that put forth the queries , i speak to thee in the presence of god , whether thou put them forth in simplicity and art ignorant , or would know , or in the pride of thy heart , and subtilty to tempt , the light of christ will let thee see , but thou art rich and full , therefore thou must be sent empty away , all who queries from that nature that would know , but never come to obedience , that is to be judged , & judgment must thou witness , and for a bitter spirit of envy that shall stand for thy self , and that thou wants spiritual light is made manifest , which curses that which god hath blessed , as i have seen under thy own hand , far remote from this city , and that thou hast cursed them soul and body to all eternity , which thou never heard nor saw , let shame strike thee in the face , and stop thy mouth , for thou cannot put a difference betwixt the precious and the vile , but curses thou knows not what , and speaks to that thou knows not : but as for them who have a desire to know the way to the father , we are ready to give an answer , and to impart of the gift we have received , and doth not break a bruised reed , but the fat we f●ed with judgement , and there thou art answered . 8 quer. it is not an infallible demonstration unto them who have a discerning spirit , that tha● man hath no commission from the true spirit to preach or speak to a people , when for fear of his ignorance being discovered , or for fear of losing his hearers , he shall counsell them to strike close to the word of god , or to hearken to the light within them in their consciences , without what that is in the conscience , or what will be the issue of it , if men be obedient to it , or disobedient to it : and to beware of false prophets , and not thinking in the least himself to be that false prophet , and thus borrowing scripture language which we are the true messengers of the gospel , doth he not in his power hinder his hearers from reading the glorious things revealed unto , the two last witnesses , and so thou saith , it is clear that the spirit is not in them which was in paul , who gave them leave to try all . ans. here thy infallible demonstration is made manifest to be fallible and lying , when thou laies that down to be a sign of them that have no commission from the spirit , and not to have the spirit , because they exhort them to cleave close to the word of god , and to minde the light which shines into the conscience of every man , which is the light of christ ; here thy spirit is tryed , that thou hast not the same commission as they had , who spoke forth the scripture , and so thou preaches another gospel , for the word of god endures for ever , and by the word which is eternall , and which was in the beginning , who tryes all things , who searches all things , comprehends all things , and judges all things , he that cleaves not close unto , that builds upon another foundation ; and by the word which endures for ever , thou art seen , not to have that word , neither knowes what , nor where it is , neither hath cleaved to it , and so art raced out from the life , from the foundation , and the apostle who had his commission not from man , nor by man , he exhorted those he had preached to and wrote to , to take heed to the sure word of prophesie , as unto a light that shined in a dark place , and to wait in it , till the day did dawn , and the day star did arise ; and for distinguishing of that in the conscience what it is , he that is not separate from the darknesse knows not how to do it . but this i say unto thee , as we declare unto all , the light which shines into the conscience is the light of christ which he hath enlightned every one withall , and it is spirituall like himself , and eternall , and it leads out of sin , and declares against all iniquity , and he that comes to own it , and to be guided by it , it leads out of sin to know the crosse of christ , which is a mistery to thee , and it leads to the eternall word , which was in the beginning before sin was , and it will judge all thy imaginations and vain conceivings , and it leads to the inheritance incorruptible out of corruptible ; if thou have an ear to hear , thou may hear , it is that which will let thee see thy vain frothy imaginations , which thou hath of god , and will condemn all thy vain imaginations , and hating it , it will be thy condemnation , and there is the issue of it , and all such as steals other mens words , and the true prophets words , and never knew the life that was in them , all such we deny , and shut them up within utter darknesse , where they , thou and both are , and for the glorious things that thou and thy partner , which call your selves the two last witnesses , it is manifest that your mysteries are as in thy book , and thy queries , where thou puts elect and reprobate together , and as for tryall of spirits , we give liberty and exhort all that may try , and we direct them to that to try by , which is is infallible and eternall , whereby they may see and comprehend thee and all who have not the spirit . but that they should try , who hath nothing to try with , let all such be silent for ever , for none understands the spirit but the spirit with which we see thee , and all who stands in their imaginations ignorant of , therefore stop thy mouth in the dust , and be silent . 9 quer. doth not they that speak to a people that declares against all appearances , which are contrary to his way , discover himself unto a true discerning spirit , not to be of the lord , unlesse they can demonstrate a spirituall commission that he hath received from heaven , by voice of words through the glorious mouth of the lord , so that no mortall man can disprove him , though few for want of understanding receive him . ans. the way that leads to the father is but one , which is christ , and he that declares from him , made manifest in him , declares against all sects , and opinions , and that which thou cals appearances , and the way is one , and the tru●h one , where there is no rent nor division , and he that dwels in the life hath discerning , and he that witnesses the annointing discernes , he is able to judge and discern , and in that thou art seen , who would sit on the throne , but thou must come down and lick the dust , dust is the serpents meat , and they who had their commission from god , and hath their commission from god , now they were made manifest to every mans conscience in the sight of god , and this we witnesse , this the scripture witnesseth , and he that believes hath the witnesse in himself , and the father bears witnesse , and they witnesse the voice of the lord , which is spirituall speaking to them , and they declare from that which is spirituall to the consciences of gainsayers , and this is witnessed ; but thy voice of words is carnal , and is denyed , and who art thou made manifest unto , that which is mortal cannot discern and disprove thee , but that which is immortal can , and they who are guided by the immortall denies thee , and will receive none of thy testimony , because it is not the same which the holy men of god witnessed , and doth now witnesse , which voice shakes the wildernesse , and rents the rocks , and makes the earth to reel to and fro , but to thee this is a mystery and sealed . 10 quer. again he that speaketh of an invisible spirituall god , or christ living in the consciences or spirit of men , thou sayeth , he questions the truth of all the scripture records concerning the life , death , and resurrection , and aseension of the blessed body of christ into the throne of his immortall glory ; and doth he not que●●ion whether the consciences of the saints being sprinkled with the blood of jesus , which died without the g●●es of jerusalem , are purified from the pollution of the flesh and spirit , doth he not question the resurrection of the souls and bodies out of the eat●h at the last day . ans. here again , thou hast made thy sha●e and thy ignorance manifest and knows not so much as the letter of he scripture , paul in apostle of jesus ch●ist , notby the will of man , and minister of the everlasting god , he witnessed the son of god revealed in him , and he ●●i● , kn●w ye 〈…〉 christ ●s in you , or else you are rep●●●ates , and ●h●i●t is no● divided , and he tha● is joyned to the lord is ●●e spirit , and 〈◊〉 my father are one , ●●d w●●●e christ dwells the father dwells , and if thou have ●● e●● to hear ●hou may h●●● , and if the ●●●e spirit be not in you that raised christ 〈…〉 he ●●●d , you are 〈…〉 , and he that declared these things speak of a spi●i●ua●l christ , and an invi 〈…〉 god , and who ●●all ascend up to heaven , the word is nigh , in thy mo●t●● and 〈◊〉 heart , and this is the same christ that suffered without the ga●e at jerusalem , and no other wh●●h paul travelled till he was born in them , if thou have an ear th●u may hear , and the apost●● did not question the scripture records , for they spoke it and recorded it , and th●y witnessed the life of christ , and his death , and resu●rection , and a●c●nsion , and witnessed him ascended above thrones , and dominions , and to sit at the right hand of the father , and witnesse the same christ made manifest in us , and his resurrection , not because paul said so , we have seen it , and are witnesses of it , the same that ever was , the same that did ascend , the same did ascend ; this is a riddle unto thee , and seven seals is upon it , and thou that queries shall never see them opened , and they who had christ in them , and the father , the son supping with them , they had their conscience sprinkled , and none else for his bloud thou knows not , and so i say unto thee , thou art not sprinkled , nor thy conscience purified from dead works , and they who know christ in them , and no more after the flesh come to know his resurrection , he is the resurrection , he is the first and the last , who knows him risen , and have seen him witnesse the first day and the last , what speaks thou of a last day , that never came to the beginning , and so thy soul lies in death , and in chains , and in utter darknesse and therefore lay thy hand upon thy mouth , and see where thou ●●t , and the spirit that gave forth the scriptures thou cannot witnesse . 11 quer. if after death there is no bodily resurrection , for the spirits of men to possesse an immortall glory to eternity , or to suffer an eternall devill like shame , according to their deeds , whether good or evill . is it not one of the vainest things in the world ▪ to discourse of god , righteousnesse , unlesse it be for earthly gain amongst men . ans. there is a resurrection both of the just and of the unjust , the just into everlasting life , and the unjust into everlasting shame and contempt , and every one shall receive according to his works , whether they be good or evill , but this a mystery hid , for none knowes it , but through death , but what knowes thou who art yet alive in sin , what shall be in the resurrection which is after death , which whoever comes to know the resurrection , knowes the e●d of all things ; therefore it is not taking their words , nor thy own imaginations , that is faith , nor if thou know christ no nearer than jerusalem , nor no nearer than above the starres , thou knowes not where , but through thy dark imaginations , this is not to christ risen from the dead , see therefore what hast thou seen in thy self : but thou art dead whiles thou lives in that nature , and at the resurrection contempt and shame will be thy portion , and turn in thy minde to that which shews thee sin , and witnesse the body and sin destroyed within , and then , and not till then , shalt thou know how it is in the resurrection . 12 quer. thou raises a question from pauls words to the athenians , thou was before condemning them that stole other mens words , and here thou hast stolen a query , and thou askest what think you did that spiritual creator , dwell and live in the athenians consciences or did his glorious person visibly appear in the highest heavens . ans. the athenians to whom paul spoke worshipped the work of their own hands , as ●his generation doth their own imaginations , and that god whom ignorantly they worshipped at a distance , which god lived in pauls conscience , paul declared unto them , and they looked as thou dost carnally , thinking god to be carnal and at a distance , but he ●aid he , was not at a distance from every one of them , for in him they lived , moved , and had their being , and this was the god which paul preached of , which creator , we witnesse , lives in the high and holy place , and with him also that is of a humble and a contri●e spirit , and trembleth at his word . 13 quer. and thou sayest , what think you , can there ●e any living spirit without a body , or person to display its life , in , or from , and must not the creator of necessity be a glorious personall substance , and thou sayest doth not these men that worship an in●inite spirit without any bodily f●rm , living in mens consciences , onely gl●ry in a god of their own imaginations , instead of honouring the onely lord of all life , the man jesus , yesterday , to day , and for ever ? ans. that which is not possible with men is possible with god , which god is a spirit as jesus christ saith , and a spirit hath not flesh and bone , nor a created body , but displays it self as it pleases , contrary to thy will , and the will of all men ; and thou who would by thy reason ●y the creator with a necessi●y to a personal being , are void of the knowledge of god , and led by thy corrupt reason , which shall never know god , and all those who worships god in spirit , worships an infinite spirit , which spirit inhabiteth eternity , and lives in the consciences of the saints , and this is not to glory in an imagination , but a witnessing of the same eternall truth , which he saints witnessed which spake forth the scripture , for they witnessed christ dwel●ed in them , and the same god they w●rshipped , whose temple they were , and not another , and we the same witnesse , and this to the honour of the man jesus , who was yesterday , to day , and for ever . 14 quer. the eternall spirit , creator , and alone everlasting father , which dwels essentially in the glorified body , as our lord jesus his eternall son , and virtually reign● in all the saints , elect men and angels , be record between me and you world without ●●d , whether this epistle shall not be sent to you , and all the chosen that shall peruse it , principally for the establishing of your tender spirits upon that eternall spirituall rock jesus christ god and man in one distinct body , or person glorified , and ●●●ly honoured with all spirituall praises from elect men and angels when this world is consumed into ashes , and all time or times is swallowed up into eternity or eternities . ans. the eternall spirit , which is the everlasting father , which thou saith is essentially in the son , thy word essentially i deny , and thy voice , yet christ and the father is one , and the same spirit that dwels in the son dwels in the father which is one , i and my father is one , the same dwels in the saints , thy word virtuall i deny , the same that dwels in the father and in the son , the same dwels in the saints , not distinct nor divided , for he that hath seen the father hath seen the son , and he that hath the son hath the father also , and christ is divided , i in them , and thou in me , that they may be perfect in one , and he that is joyned to christ is one spirit , and not distinct nor separate : if thou have an ear thou may hear , and that eternall spirit , which is the father and the son , which dwels in the saints , is judge of thee , and by that spirit i judge thee , that this epistle came not from him to none of the chosen , for they who are chosen deny thy voice , and what dost thou speak of elect and angels , with whom god dwels , when in thy fourth querie thou said , they were defiled , and the holy ghost saith , he dwels with no uncleannesse , and so speaks confusion and babylons language , which is the land of thy nativity , from whence all these things have been spoken by thee , and all that shall ever be established with thy declaring , or thy epistles , shall be thrown down , for the rock shall beat thy image to pieces , and therefore leave off thy speaking of him , and of thy distinct body , and of his glory , for when he shall appear in his glory , instead of thy praises , thou shalt howl and lament , and wish the mountains to cover thee , and he who is out of time shall consume thee to ashes , who stands in time and in the airie philosophy and imagination , and thy great words eternity and eternities shall stand thee in no stead ; for that which is eternall was before thou was , and shall be when thou art brought down to the pit with all thy imaginations : and so that thou might not glory any more in thy shame , we have answered thy queries , and for the simple ones sake , that they might not be stumbled by thy stumbling queries , who dwels not in the light . finis . notes, typically marginal, from the original text notes for div a77938e-150 2 tim. 2. 10. tit. 1. 1. 1 pet. 1. 2. 1 pet. 2. 6. 1 pet. 5. 13. something of truth made manifest (in relation to a dispute at draton in the county of middlesex in the first moneth last) in opposition to the false account given of it by one philip traverner, in his book styled the quakers-rounds, or, a faithfull account, &c. / and this is written ... by e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30543 of text r22012 in the english short title catalog (wing b6026). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 50 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 13 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30543 wing b6026 estc r22012 12261184 ocm 12261184 57908 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30543) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 57908) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 861:22) something of truth made manifest (in relation to a dispute at draton in the county of middlesex in the first moneth last) in opposition to the false account given of it by one philip traverner, in his book styled the quakers-rounds, or, a faithfull account, &c. / and this is written ... by e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. [2], 22 p. printed for thomas simmons ..., london : 1658. reproduction of original in huntington library. attributed to edward burrough. cf. bm. eng taverner, philip, b. 1616 or 17. -quakers-rounds. society of friends -great britain. a30543 r22012 (wing b6026). civilwar no something of truth made manifest (in relation to a dispute at draton in the county of middlesex in the first moneth last) in opposition to t burrough, edward 1658 10405 31 0 0 0 0 0 30 c the rate of 30 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the c category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-03 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-04 olivia bottum sampled and proofread 2004-04 olivia bottum text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-07 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion something of truth made manifest ( in relation to a dispute at draton in the county of middlesex in the first moneth last ) in opposition to the false account given of it by one philip taverner , in his book styled the qvakers-rovnds ; or a faithfull account , &c. and this is written for the truths sake by e. b. london , printed for thomas simmons at the bull and mouth neer aldersgate , 1658. forasmuch as one ( who hath ( i suppose ) ambitiously stiled himselfe mr. philip taverner ) hath taken in hand to set forth to the view of the world , an account & relation of a dispute happening in the 11. moneth last , at draton neer colebrook , to which relation i am a little engaged to write somthing by way of answer thereunto , that all people may know the truth ; and being the truth is somewhat concerned herein , that is the reason wherefore i have taken in hand to write a little by way of answer to his relation , being without any prejudice towards the man , as concerning any wrong he hath done to me , though me as well as the truth he hath wronged , as may appeare to such who desire to know the truth . it 's true , a publique dispute i had , the time and place mentioned , with a company of priests , and this same philip ▪ taverner was one of them ; and the occasion of the dispute was thus ; i being a few weeks before at a meeting with some friends in the said towne , one richard goodgroom in his relation mentioned was present at the hearing of what was spoken , but at that time did not object any thing , though afterwards in london and other places he went up and down in a backbiting manner , and gave forth that i had held forth blasphemous doctrine , or the like ; whereupon i much desired a dispute for the tryall of those things , and it was accomplished , and that day the truth was much made manifest , and deceit consounded ; and as to all the things objected agauist me by r. g. which he would have seemed to have taken great occasion thereby , as if some great matter of heresie and errour had been uttered by me . i say , the very truth of all these things was demonstrated according as i had laid them down , and his arguments against them made of none effect ; and though such as hardned their hearts might go unfatisfied , and in greater unbelief then they came , yet i am sure the upright-hearted , and such as desired the knowledge of the truth , were wholly satisfied , and this many can give testimony of with me : and though by his relation it may appear otherwise to some , yet wherein he hath related falsly , it shall fall upon his own head ; and his folly shall truly more appear in the end then he would have , or seem to cause any in me to appear at this present , and so he might with more credit to himself been silent , then to have medled in that wherein he hath shewed himself so imperfect . for i believe that this same philip taverner hath given a relation of four times as much as he did speak at that meeting ; and have related , as though he spake that which he never uttered , by so miny times so much as i have said , and have not related so much by many times , as was spoken by me , and by them of my part , as many may witnesse ; which work of his seems not to be perfect , neither yet altogether honest , as sober men may judge ; but such a thing must redownd more to his own dishonour , then to the truths disadvantage . and first , as to the title of his false relation , which is stiled , the quakers rounds , or a faithfull account , &c. to this i answer , that the very frontispiece and title of his book savours of a vain light scornfull spirit ; and so every spiritual man may judge of it to be so ; but why dost thou p. t. say a faithfull account , but that to confirme falshood with audacious words , having a shew of confidence upon it , thereby the more easily to enter into the hearts of the people , as if it were irreproveable , coming also from the hand , and under the hand of a mr. philip , &c. having so stiled thy self , to make thy fame great , and to publish thy work under a seeming authority ; but hadst thou had more humility , lesse pride would have appeared : and hadst thou had a better heart , lesse of unfaithfull dealing would have proceeded from thee ; but as i have said , evill shall fall upon himselfe that hatcheth it for another ; but why dost thou say faithful account in the title page ? signifying to the world , that all in it is true , and nothing of truth wanting in relation to that dispute ; and yet in thy epistle saith , thou dost not undertake to set down the multitude of words that that day was filled withal , and page 29. saith , that a third man of the company made a large discourse concerning the person justified , but relates not one word what was said by him ; and here thou hast not dealt faithfully , nor given a faithful account : and page 31. thou saith , e. b. at such a time did multiply many words , but doth not relate his particular words , and so hath not in this dealt faithfully , nor given a faithful account ; and also in many other things thou hast not related what was spoken at all ; and thus thou hast contradicted thy self , in saying a faithfull account , and yet consessing in effect unfaithfulnesse : and thy own words being compared together , proves a contradiction in thy own minde and pen ; for to give a faithfull account , as thou saist thou hast , is to relate the whole truth , and not to keep any back , neither to speak more then the truth , by adding thereto any thing . but again thou saist , thou undertak'st not to relate the multitude , or every particular of words , neither doth relate what particular words such a one and such a one spake , but saith he said so , and multiplyed many words , not saying what his words were ; and therefore thou hast heaped a contradiction upon thy own head , and it shall remain till it have made thee ashamed . and now as to the particulars , upon which the dispute depended , so far as they are truly laid down in my words ; and in my intent and meaning i am ready to justifie them at any place or time convenient , or before any auditory whatsoever upon lawfull occasion , but as thou hast laid them down , or some of them , thou hast wronged me and the truth , and either not understood my meaning , or subverted and perverted my words to thy own advantage . and whereas in the epistle thou saist , i would not owne them , viz ▪ the particulars laid down to be mine at first , and yet owned every one of them in the discourse , &c. answ. i did not own them ; but how ? and how did i own them but thus ? the objector had laid down some of the particulars , not in my words , which made them vary from the intent of my meaning ; and others of the particulars he had laid down utterly false , and so i did deny them as coming from him ; but as to the substance of some of the particulars , i did own , having laid them down according to my own honest meaning , in my own found expression of words ; and thereupon i engaged a dispute upon the particulars , having first denied them as laid down by him , and in his corrupt expressions , and then owned them in the simplicity in the words as by me uttered ; i mean some of them , but some i altogether denied . and as to speak of that text , ioh. 5. 39. by which sayest thou , i endeavoured to skin over what i spoke , but to no punpose . i do deny thy words ; for that same verse shal stand a witness for me , and against thee in all the world ; and that verse shall prove that some of the scriptures were spoken to the world , and not to the saints , and the truth it self is my covering , and i need no other thing to skin over , as thou scornfully spakest . and whereas thou sayest , there was just matter of reproof in the dispute , in both parties , &c. answ. while thou hast condemned others , thou hast judged thy self , who was of the one party , a strong contender for the priests party ; and having now accused both parties , would clear thy self to be of neither , but cannot ; for it is known that thou didst take their part , and in the title thou sayest , the discourse was betwixt a party of them called quakers , with mr. philip t. &c. where thou dost own thy self to be one , ( and reckons thy self the formost master ) of the disputants ; and now upon better consideration i think , when thou hast searched into their folly with whom thou wast joined , thou wouldst absent thy self to be none of them , but a third party ; but let me tell thee , what disorder , prejudice and passion as thou speaks of , as was amongst the priests , thou hast a part in , and must own their sin and their condemnation , for thou art also guilty ; and that there was any passion ( except pure zeal for god and his truth , which thou mightest falsely so call ) or prejudice , or such like amongst us , i db deny it , and knows thee to have born a false testimony ; and all thy covers , as if thou wert a moderator or the like , in thy speaking , will not hide thee , nor cover thee from what i have said of thee . but as to the things in particular i now come , and may shew what my words are , and the ground of them , and how i laid them down , and upon what occasion in the first meeting whereupon the dispute did arise ; and i do not here go about to give a perfect relation of that dispute , for my memory hath not contained what passed ; but as to the intent and meaning of my words , i would give all the true knowledge thereof , and how far i do own the particulars charged against me . first , as to that , the scriptures are not the word of god , because the devil spoke something , and pharoah something , which is there written . answ. there is some truth in this ; but my words were drawn up by him at the shortest , and the most for his own advantage laid down by him ; for i do remember , that in the first meeting i was a speaking concerning the word of god , and concerning the scriptures , which are a declaration thereof , and shewing the difference betwixt the word and the letter , and scriptures ; for the word of god was in the beginning , and the world was made by it , and it endures for ever ; but the scriptures were not in the beginning , for moses was the first that wrote any thing of the scripture , who was long after the beginning ; neither was the world made by them , neither can they endure for ever ; and therefore the letter , the scriptures are not the word of god which the scriptures call ▪ the word ; for also in the scriptures are written what the devil spoke , and what pharoah and other wicked men spoke , and therefore they are not the word of god , but as i have said , a declaration of the word , and what is written of , is the word ; but the scriptures , ( the writings ) are not , but a testimony and declaration of the word : much more as to this might be said , and was spoken by me at the meeting , which is not particularly related ; and this is sufficient to any honest man that is spiritual , who hath an understanding to judge hereof . now i suppose themselves , none of them are so ignorant , as they will say the scriptures are that word which was in the beginning , and which shall endure for ever ; but say they , the scriptures are another word , a declarative word , or such like terms ; now when we dispute or contend with any about the word of god , we dispute what that word is which the scripture saith is the word , and doth deny that word to be the scriptures ( writings ) though still we do own the scriptures a declaration of that very word of god , and that the scriptures in any place doth call themselves the word , or signifie so much , i do deny it , and it is left for any of our opposers to prove it that can ; if they do , i will confess it to be the word , and revoke all that i have spoken to the contrary . and as for thy deductions and consequences drawn from my words , i do deny them , for they are not to me , but will turn upon thy self ; for thou sayest , a strange kind of assertion , as if nothing of the mind , will , and councel of god were declared in scripture , and whitherto can be the tendency of such giddy doctrines , then to a weakening the authority of the scriptures , and begetting slightings and undervaluing thoughts and that the effects may be lightly esteeming the scriptures : these and such deductions hast thou drawn through thy ignorance , from my words , from all which i am clear , as having no intent to any such things , nor any intent but to testifie the pure innocent truth ; and thy deductions are far more ignorant and impudent then my assertion is strange ; and let thy consequences be what they will from my words , the truth of my words will justifie me , in the sight of god and his saints ; for i do honour the scriptures above other writings , and gives them the authority , and esteem , and respect due unto them , and more i dare not . and some of thy pages i pass over , as not worth taking notice of , onely doth say , thou hast wronged me , in not relating so much as was spoken by us , by far ; and in relating more then was spoken by thee , or thy party . and the next thing i note is this , where r g. said he would , and went about to prove , that the letter is the word of god , but was not , nor is never able to prove ; and thou hast changed the words of his argument in thy relation , from what they were as he laid them down in the dispute , from called , to owned ; for thus his words were laid down at that time ; said he , that which christ and the apostles called the word of god , is indeed the word of god , but christ and the apostles called the scriptures the word of god , ergo . now i denied , and do yet , that it can be proved , that ever christ and the apostles called the scriptures the word of god , and neither doth thy proofs now , nor his then , of the minor proposition , prove that the scriptures , viz. the writings were ever called the word ; although it be true the pharisees made the word of god of no authority by their traditions ▪ but that scripture doth not say that the letter is the word , which thing he was to prove , or else he said nothing to the purpose , and as to the other scripture , 1 thes. 1. 13. that will not prove that the apostle called the letter the word , for it was the gospel which they received as the word of god , and not the letter ; the gospel is the word of god , not denied by me but sealed unto : but the gospel is not the letter , and writings , but the gospel is the thing written of ; and that is it which the apostle means to be the word of god , for that is the word which he preached to the thessalonians , and which they received , and so thy arguments and proof of thy minor position is denyed , and so the major position falls to the ground ; and by this nor any other argument can all you priests of england prove the letter of the scriptures to be the word of god , which thing r. g. took in hand to prove , but could not , and would have cryed against it in me , as a great deal of heresie for denying it ; but error is fallen upon his own head . the next thing i note , is in page 13. where thou would seem to cover over r. g. thou sayest his words were not , that i had the thing signified in my hand , when i had the bible ; but that i had that which declares of it . now to justifie him in evil , thou hast wronged me and the truth ; for he did say when i held up my bible , i had in my hand the thing therein signified upon this very occasion ; i holding up my bible in my hand , and saying to this very effect , that that in my hand , i had the thing which did signifie in words of such and such things ; but i had not the thing signified ; and r. g. made answer and said , but i had the thing signified , and this some can witness , whereupon i made answer and said , if it be so that i have the thing signified in my hand , then i have god , and christ , and the saints , and heaven , and hell , men and beasts , and all things that here in is written of , and then he saw the folly of his own argument , i perceive . and much more as upon this subject was said on both parties , which i desire not much to recollect , onely what i have said i can certainly remember , and can justifie it ; and i must confess , that p. t. in some things hath done pretty fairly , though in other things he hath not done so . and now as to the next thing charged against me in the relation , being placed the second , though it is the third . that evil motions not consented to were not sin ▪ in the first private meeting i remember my words was laid down thus ▪ and so i owned them in the dispute , that temptations or motions unto evil are not sin to any man who doth not consent and obey to serve temptations or evil motions , and they are not sin to the man , except they be consented to by the man , and this was proved in the example of christ , who was tempted of the devil , and had motions to do evil , yet did not consent nor commit sin , for he resisted and overcome the tempter , and so the devils motions and temptations which were sin in themselves , yet they were not sin to him ; and this proof then they could not deny , neither can any sober or upright man , and so in the dispute the thing was put to a farther question ; thus , but are not those motions which arise out of a mans own heart sin , except they be consented to ? to which i was willing to speak something , and to own the very truth , and to justifie that there is a state wherein evil motions may arise out of a mans own heart , which are sin in themselves , and sin in the man , yet not sin to the man , if he doth not consent to them , obey them , and fulfil them , and the scripture doth prove it , rom. 7. where he saith it is no more i that 〈◊〉 but sin that dwelleth in me , for in his mind he served the da● of god , and with his mind did not consent to the motions of evil and sin , and the sin was not his , nor reckoned against him by the lord , because with his mind he consented not and this no upright man can deny ; and also i applied my self at that time for witness to the experience of sober people and christians , whether many times there had not been evil motions in their hearts presenting themselves , to which they had not consented ; but the lord had given them power over them , to resist them , and deny them , and they were not overcome of them ; and whether ever they were accused and condemned for such motions , which the lord gave them power against ? or whether the rather they had not peace and joy in the lord , who had discovered to them , and given them power over the evil which had presented it self ? and i also gave them that which i had witnessed concerning the thing , as a testimony agreeing with the scriptures to that particular ; and though the relation saith , as if i spoke of my present state to be so ; but here in the hearers were mistaken , if so they understood me ; for my present state is another then what it once was ; i bless the lord i speak without boasting , and my present state i did not then , nor now shall declare ; for i am not known to the world , nor desires to be , as what my state is ; but this was my intent , and is in these things ; my state was say i , yea i believe from ten years old , till many years after , that many times i had evil motions arising in my own heart , which sometime overcame me , and sometime the lord gave me to overcome them ; so that i consented not to them , nor obeyed , nor followed them ; and when they did overcome me and lead me aside , then was i troubled and condemned of the lord , for they were reckoned to be my sins when i consented , and many times the lord gave me power over them , and i consented not , but resisted them and denied them , and then had i great peace and joy in the lord , and no condemnation ; and this was my experience for some years together , though my present state be mother condition , of which i shall not speak , as not being needful at this time ; and this is the truth which no sober christian can deny . it 's true , we spent a little time in disputing upon those things , but to little purpose as on their part ; for what i then said , many of the people saw to be the very truth , and all was well satisfied , except such as might harden their hearts ; and much more pass'd betwixt us . as to this thing which i cannot relate , onely p. t. as he began so he goes on , giving a report in his relation of much more then himself spoke , and a great deal lesse then we spoke ▪ which thing in him is not very fair nor honest ; for i then proved by many scriptures , that some were perfect in this life , 1 cor. 2. 5. even perfect without sin , iohn 1. 47. 1 iohn 3. 7. and yet i did declare at that time that many of the saints and children of god were not come to the state of perfection , which admits of no addition , for many of the saints daily receives more and more of gods wisdome , and of his power and life revealed in them , wherein they grow up to god from strength to strength : and though they did so much contend against it , yet in the end was forced to confesse to the substance of what we speak , as to the particular of perfection . the next thing is concerning perfection , and i am charged with holding that perfection is attainable in this life , which thing i did hold forth and contend for it , and am not now ashamed of it , and my very proofs , which then i used , some of which are related by p. t. is sufficient enough to prove the particular , if i should say nothing more ; and even as the thing is related , though what i spoke , the whole is not related by much as about this particular of perfection ; but what is related shall stand as a witnesse for me , and against them that doth so much plead against perfection , even of such perfection to be without sin in this life : and to this i shall say little more , but leave his own relation unto the consideration of sober people , onely must say that p. t. hath belyed his own memory , in saying his relation is a faithfull account , and yet hath related much more then he spoke also about this particular . as to the next thing which is objected against me , that the scriptures were given to the world , and not to the saints , this is utterly false , & was neither thus spoken by me , nor yet my meaning . and at the dispute i did deny that i spoke the words , neither had i any such intent as they have deducted , though still i do confidently affirme , that that scripture , iohn 5. 39 ▪ was spoken to the unbelieving jewes that went about to kill christ , who had never heard gods voyce , nor seen his shape , nor had not christs words abiding in them , and to them ▪ he spoke that scripture mentioned ; neither had i any such meaning , but that the saints and all sober people , and all people might search the scriptures , though such a bad consequence they have drawn upon my words , and saith , it is a giddy assertion that hath dropped from me , and yet himselfe is forced to confess what i spoke is true , to wit , that that scripture in the fifth of iohn was spoken to the unbelieving jewes , and not to the saints , and yet p. t. to confound himself , confesses that i said the epistles were given to the saints , and this is a contradiction from his own pen : first , to say , that i asserted , the scriptures were given to the world , and not to the saints , and yet saith , i confesse the epistles were given to the saints , which are some part of the scriptures . and whereas p. t. farther speaks , questioning in himselfe , how far i own the authority of the scripuures , and such like , which shews his ignorance or his unbelief ; for i have , and do here again speak plainly that we do own the authority of the scriptures , and we through patience and comfort of the scriptures have had hope : and they are able to make the man of god perfect through faith , and what christ and the apostles owned the scriptures to be , the same we do , and neither more nor lesse : and in this we are approved of god , and let men judge what they will . and whereas p. t. speaks something of jesuites , and saith he does not apprehend me to be of that measure of subtilty , which is found among men of that brotherhood , unlesse saith he , i have more then an ordinary art of hiding my self ▪ &c. to which i answer , jesuites i deny , and all of that fraternity , and whatsoever savours of popery , yet am i hidden from people ; and what i am he knows not , neither the world ▪ for from that wisdome am i hid , neither can i manifest my self to that wisdom which is devillish , & knows not god ▪ nor the least of his sons and servants ; for in all those things of which we then discoursed , the depth thereof could hardly be spoken of , because of the darknesse of peoples understandings . and especially concerning justification i was very sparing , and could hardly freely declare my selfe ; yet what i spoke was a great satisfaction to many then present , though the one half that i spoke is not truly related , though so much as is related shall stand a sufficient witnesse for me , and against them that oppose me , and that my words and meaning w●● honest . this was the thing charged upon me , that no man was further justified then he was sanctified . now my intent and meaning in this was honest ; and as about this particular much was spoken , which now i do not recollect to repeat ; only p. t. hath hinted in short at things how they passed , and my words shall be for ever witnessed , that sanctification is a witnesse of justification , & no man can further know himself to be justified then he is sanctified , nor justified then he is restored . and had p. t. but laid down my full answers as i spoke them at that dispute , there would have been no need to have written any thing in answer ; onely i do remember i did stand to manifest , that the new birth , sanctification , and justification was all agreeing in one , and not one without another , and that christ wrought righteousnesse perfectly without us , and also fulfilled rightenesse in all that believe , and no man is justified by the one of these without the other , and that hath not the other ; and they held the contrary , and r. g. did publiquely affirme that a man was justified by christ , excluding the new birth , and the work of sanctification which i denyed , and must alwayes deny , that any man who is not born again , but is in the old nature , and not sanctified , but is in the pollutions of the world , is justified by christs righteousnesse ; neither can he in that state till he be born again and sanctified , have any benefit or manifestation of justification by christ ; and this all men shall witnesse , though because of this i now may be fasly judged : and though r. g. did openly testifie that christ justified sinners as sinners ; yet say i , all that are justified , are justified through faith , and faith doth purifie the heart , as was largely spoken by divers of us at that meeting , which is not particularly related ; which definition of our justification , they could not except against ; for we never were , nor are ashamed to declare what we hold concerning justification , which is through faith in the blood of christ the seed of the covenant , and though at that time they made much jangling , yet to no purpose as to convince us of any errour , or any sober men there present of any errour in us as concerning that thing . and whereas it is related , as if i should say , we are men brought up at plow-tayle , and understand not scholar like terms ▪ my words were not thus spoken ; but upon the occasion of their speaking words which is not in scripture-language as inherent righteousnesse , for such like . whereupon i desired them to keep to the form of sound words , and of scripture-language , that people might understand what they spoke ; for said i , ye are scholers as ye professe , and some of us were brought up at plow or cart , and may be doth not understand scholar-like termes , though i did not meane all of us ▪ and what some of us do understand ▪ as to that , i shall not now speak ; yet this i say , the least of us doth understand betwixt truth and error , and between that which is righteous , and that which is unrighteous , and in that is more peace then in the knowledge of arts or tongues ; and our knowledge in that is dung and losse in comparison of the other . and as to justification , upon which subject we contended a long time , though they foolishly charged us with it , we do deny utterly the works of man , and the works of mans righteousnesse , as in relation to our justification , and that it is only and wholly by grace and gift of god , and the righteousnesse of christ who is revealed in all that believe in him ▪ by which justification comes ; yet say we , that faith without works is dead , and will not justifie a man ; but by that faith which brings forth works , even the works of god in us and through us , by that faith are we justified ▪ and according to the apostles words so we believe ; not by works of righteousnesse which we have done , nor by a dead faith without works , but by a living faith which worketh in us , are we justified ; let vain men deduct what they may , this is truth in the sight of the lord , and all men . these indeed are the particulars upon which the controversie depended ; and having been some hours together , they were willing to depart , and r. g. would give little hearing to me when i charged him with something uttered by him at divers times in my hearing , which i should have proved to be unsound doctrine and error had he had that patience to have stayed ; and whereas p. t. doth speak of having a pope in our bellies , with such like scornful words , which a discreet man would not have defiled his mouth withal , but that he must shew himself to be of the generation of priests , who persecuted the innocent in every age , and for his telling of our error , and recovering of our feet out of the snare , and delivering us from the delusion ; its true , his words stands but upon a supposition , and that supposition stands upon the report of others , as he seems to intimate , which is but a thing far off true credit ; for what error , and snares , and delusion , did p. t. convince us of in five hours discourse ? not any at all , but the rather was forced to confess , to the most part of what we delivered ; then what need was there to utter these his words in writing , as if he had heard some great matter of delusion or error ; but all these his words i do bear , and if he hath harboured such thoughts of us , as it appears too much by his words , let him cleanse his heart by repentance , lest his intended evil bruise his own head . and whereas he hath commented upon a book , called a standerd lifted up , which book i own , and that which is therein written , and himself is forced to own what himself objects against , and comments upon : if ▪ saith he , e. b. mean so and so , then his words are truth , but if so and so , then it is pope ▪ like , or such like . alas poor man ! must i be judged upon thy own meaning ▪ nay , or must thy interpretation be the judge upon my words ? we have no such law , my words stands true , as i have laid them down , to be received by such as are spiritual ; and such as loves to raise constructions falsely , where there is no just ground , their judgement i do deny ; and charity will teach p. t. to judge upon the best sence , and so let him own my words as truth , and judge himself for his false construction of true and upright words ; onely this i take notice of , saith p. t. a perfect conformity to the law of god in our own persons , though not wrought in our own strength , but in the strength and power of grace ▪ the spirit working all in us , and for us , is no other then the righteousness of the law . i need not much strive to confound this black doctrine by many arguments or multitude of words , for the thing as laid down in his own words , is vile and abominable to the understanding of any spiritual man ; for say i , if it be the spirit working in us , and for us , not in our own strength , then is it god that worketh in us , both to will and to do , and the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law in us , and not the righteousness of the law wrought by us ; and if it be in the strength and power of grace , & not in our own strength , then it is the work of christ in us , and the work of gods own righteousness in us ; and any man that knows the least of god in truth , will witness to this , and against his imagined doctrine held forth by p. t. i might demand a proof of him from scripture , where it is said or signified , that the working of the spirit , all in us , and for us , and the working of the power of grace in the creature , is reckoned to be our own righteousness , the righteousness of the law ; and my words stands true from which he draws his false consequences , and layes down his dark assertions , and my own words i do own , which are , such as are taught by christ , and guided by him in all the wayes of righteousness , are justified by him , and none else , not in any word or work whatsoever , but in what they are led to fulfil by him ; and in these words there is neither contradiction nor unsoundnesse , though he hath ignorantly charged them with both ; but the words shall stand for a testimony against him , and all his false deductions , and he and all shall know , that god justifies the righteous , and condemns the wicked , and that it is the new man that is justified , and not the old , and let righteous men judge what can be in such a mans heart , who can draw so bad consequences from such upright words . but farther , he goes on , and hath transcribed more of my words , as christ iesus the son of god is the light and life of the world , and hath inlightned all mankind that comes into the world , with the true light , &c. now saith he , how doth these agree with mans state in the first adam , in transgression is a state of perfect enmity , and death raigns in every man , & he is possessed with blindness and unbelief , &c. i say these do very well agree , and they are both true , for death raigns in every man , and he is in unbelief and ignorance , and in a state of perfect enmity against god ; as he is in the first adam , yet christ hath lightned him , and the light of christ shines in darkness in him , and the darkness comprehends it not , & he is inlightned , that he may be changed from death to life , and from ignorance to knowledge ▪ and though he walk in darkness , and be in blindness , and in a state of enmity , it is because he doth not walk and believe in the light which christ hath lightned him withal , and in my words there is no disagreement nor contradiction , the darkness is in his own mind , who cannot comprehend the light , nor the words that proceed from it . further , he questions upon my words , of having the witness in themselves of being restored again . first , whether none are restored again , but such as have the witness in themselves ? i answer , all that are restored again , and doth believe , hath the witness in themselves ; and none doth believe , nor are restored , but they have the witness of it . secondly , he queries , whether all are restored , but some want the witness in themselves ? i answer , all are not restored , nor doth believe , and such wants the witness in themselves , that are not restored to god , but them that are restored wants it not . and again ▪ he queries , whether the light which is in all , is sufficient , without any thing further of grace super-added , to bring up every man to believe in christ , & c ? i answer , the light which every man is lightned withal by christ , is sufficient to bring up every man to believe in christ , that loves the light and walks in it , and unto such is grace added and increased daily ; for as every man improves the measure of the gift of god , so it is increased , the light is increased , grace is increased , faith is increased , but still the light of christ in it self is sufficient . again , from my words , to wit , the spirit is given to be the guide and rule of life to the children of god ; from whence he queries , whether the spirit is so given to be the guide and rule of life to the saints , that they have no more need to attend upon the scriptures ? i answer , it is promised , that the spirit shall lead into all truth ; and such doth own the scriptures , but not as their teacher ; for the anointing dwells in them , and they need no man to teach them , but as that anointing teacheth all things , and they have no need of the scripture to teach them , for all the children of god are taught of god , and needs not any other teacher , nor needs not to say one to another , know the lord ; and yet all such doth own the scriptures to be the testimony of that which they believe , and have received . again , from my words , to wit , the light of christ in every one shall give testimony to the truth of what i spake , unto which i do commend my self ; from this he queries , can these be witnesses to me , and of the truth in me , who are ignorant of the life and power of the creator , &c. who are following the counsel of their own hearts which are evil , & c ? i answer , yes , the light of christ in such shall judge ▪ one day , and to it i commend my self , and by it one day shall be approved , though now the wicked hate the light , yet doth it witness against them , and for us , that we are of god , though its true they cannot judge between light and darkness , between truth and error , yet the light in them which shines in their darkness , doth judge and put a difference ; and when the book of conscience is opened , it shall justifie us , and condemn our enemies . again , he queries , whether i make the holy ghost and the eternal spirit two ? i answer no , they are one , neither do i seem to make them two , it is want of knowledge in him , who cannot understand , but raiseth objections where there is no cause . again , from my words , this is acceptable and well-pleasing to god , above all words and outward conformity , &c. from this he questions , whether the doing the greater things of the law is acceptable , where the less are neglected ? i answer , no ; for every tittle of the law , less and greater , must be fulfilled by christ in us , in whom we are accepted ; and thus i have returned a few words to the consideration of people , and particularly the people of draton , and the country thereabouts , to whom i direct my speech , thus , all ye people who are scattered , as sheep without a shepherd , and knows not christ the everlasting shepherd , to lead you & to rule you ; cease , oh cease from all your teachers without you , who are dumb shepherds , which doth not gather you to god ; such are they that preach for hire , and devine for money , and that takes gifts and rewards for preaching , who through covetousness , by feigned words doth make merchandise of souls ; such do keep you always learning , and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth under their teachings ; your souls are starved under them , and you perish for want of true knowledge , and death raigns amongst you , and many are in the broad way that leads to destruction , but few in the strait way that leads to life ; and iniquity , and wickedness abounds amongst you , and like teachers , like people ; for from the least of them , even unto the greatest of them , every one is given to covetousness , jer. 6. 13. great ignorance hath blinded your minds , and great darkness is over your hearts , and your teachers doth deceive you , and they cause you to erre , and you give your money for that which is not bread , and your labour for that which doth not profit , even as the people of israel did , so do you , and in their transgressions do you walk , and your teachers are in the steps of the pharisees , they are called of men master , as the pharisees were ; they stand praying in the synagogues and temples , as the pharisees did ; and they have the chief seats in the assemblies , as the pharisees had , and they even shut the kingdom of heaven against men as the pharisees did , and will not enter in themselves , nor suffer them that would ; cease from all your outward priests , and hearken to the voice of the lord , which breaks down that nature which is contrary to god , and raiseth up the seed which is heir of gods kingdom , & turns your minds to the light in you which christ hath lightned you withal , which light shines in your consciences , and convinces you of your evil deeds , it reproves you for vain words and ungodly speeches , it will let you see what your hearts goes after , and what your love goes out unto , and if you love that , it will lead you to christ , and he will be revealed in you to teach you , and to give you the witness of peace and reconciliation with god , the light is your eye by which you may see god , it will lead you out of all idolatrous worships and works , and from your false worships , which is abomination to the lord ; and you must be converted and changed into a new nature , and you must put off the old man & his works , before you can worship god aright , for he is worshipped in spirit and in truth onely ; and such the lord is now seeking to worship him ; therefore cease from your steeple-house-worship , which is in the traditions of men , and not in the spirit of the lord ; and that worship must be confounded , for its root is corrupted , and its branches will wither , and the breath of the lord is kindled against it ; if you love the light of christ and walke in it , there is your teacher ; and if you hate it , there is your condemnation . the next day after the dispute , this was written , and sent in a little time after to draton , and up and down that ways . richard goodgrom , friend , hath not thy ignorance , folly , and wickedness towards me now appeared , and is it not made manifest in the sight of many people ? and now thou maist cease to boast , and also to back-bite for the time to come , and no more secretly to surmise behind my back , to the raising of unruly spirits against me , so much as in thee was possible : and hadst thou been more crafty , and more subtle , more mischief thou mightst have done ; but the innocent is delivered , and thou art taken in the snare which thou laidst for another , and false doctrine is proved to proceed forth of thy mouth ; and thou and thy company may be ashamed , when you consider the managing of your worke against me , who many times appeared immoderate , in speaking many at once consusedly , and also were unreasonable in not being satisfied with just answers ; but it shews your blindnesse and unbeliefe , who cannot understand the truths of the gospel of christ ▪ but comends against them , though in the end you are forced to confesse to them as was sufficiently witnessed that day of the dispute ; and thou in particular who reproachedst me behind my back in divers places where i have heard of it by my friends , whom thou judgedst had not been so , jet they have discovered the naughtiness of thy heart both in the country and in the city : thou hast given forth that i had preached false doctrine , and such like wicked reproachfull back-biting language behinde my backe , not like a man faithfull to god and thy neighbour , but one that hath surmised evill against the harmlesse : and thou mayest remember , all these things which thou objectest against , who would have made a great matter of them against me , yet are they sufficiently proved to the understanding of many honest people . and if thou and thy company will be blinde , it is because you harden your hearts against the truth , and i am clear in the sight of the lord ; and all shall know that have an eare to heare that what i professe , preach , and practice , is the saving truths of iesus christ ; though they may be branded to be heresie by such as thee , who may call light darknesse , and darknesse light , and put good for evill , and evill or good ; & at a convenient opportunity i may take in hand to prove that thou thy selfe hast held forth that which cannot be justified by the scriptures , but are condemned thereby . many things fell from thee in my hearing , which i may object against , and prove the contrary , and i shall not goe behind thy backe , as thou hast done , to slander thee ; but i shall rest contented , and wait the opportunity to lay open thy nakednesse and weaknesse in the sight of all people : and whatsoever thou judgest , the scriptures , ( the writings ) and the things written of , is two things . the one is the word of god , but the other is not , and this all sober men confesseth too . though thou jangle , and twist about it with thy lame arguments , to no purpose at all , except to shew thy weakness and folly : and also no man is justified by christs righteousness , untill he receive it , and as he receives it , and this thou shalt one day witnesse ; for though righteousness be in him , sufficient to justifie , yet by it art thou nor any man justified , but in the receiving of it , and dwelling in it , and this shalt thou confess to be truth in the day of the lord : and in the mean time let me bear thy false censure in calling this heresie . and also a man may be tempted to sin , and there may be evill motions to him ; yet he not being overcome of the temptation , not consenting to the motion of sin , it is no sin unto him , neither shall sin be imputed to him , if he commit it not ; but he that commits sin , though he profess never so much of justification , yet for his sin shall he be condemned , and this shalt thou witness in the day of iudgement . also that there is a perfection attainable in this life , even to be perfect and without sin in christ iesus : and this i affirm to be the truth of the gospel , and that wherein the faith of gods people standeth ▪ and though thou madest a twisting & a wrangling against it , yet it is too strong for thee , and in thy wisdome and thy arguments , is thy folly and thy weakness seen , and truth stands over thee , and thou canst not it nor me reprehend ; and also that some of the scriptures was spoken to the world , and not to the saints , this i also have sufficiently proved , and thou art not able to detect it , and all thy snarling in opposition to these things is confounded , and thy arguments made without effect ; and all whose eyes are opened , sees thee to be of too short a measure , and of too weake a capacity to understand the deep things of god which is hidden from thine eye , and them thou savourest not in that wisdome ; though thou hast the words ▪ yet thou art ignorant of the life , and the life is in dominion over thee ▪ and to it must thou submit , and lay down thy crown ; and from thee am i hidden in that life and truth which i do possess : and though i be as a deceiver , yet am i true : and though i be slandered and reproached , and back-bited by thee , yet it is for christ iesus sake , and for his truths sake , and not as an evill doer . but friend , learn more wisdome then to judge a man before thou hear him , or to condemn the matter before thou hear the proof of it ; for by these things thou hast not gained a good report , but god condemns thee for it , & men sees thy shame in it , and the burthen of it one day shalt thou beare , even then and all that own thee in these things . and now thy spirit is tryed , and it is found too light , and cannot stand in judgement , for it is unfavoury : and though separate from the world in appearance , yet is thy spirit of the world , and reacheth not the knowledge of the things that are eternal ; but art imagining in thy minde , not being guided by that spirit which gave forth the scriptures , and so thy konwledge is naturall , and cannot contain spirituall things : therefore friend , come down to gods witnesse in thee , the light which shews thee sin , and convinces thee of evill , that light is thy teacher if thou love it , and thy condemnation if thou hate it . i have divers particulars against thee at a convenient season , to manifest thy folly and weakness by them ; and what ever thou judge me , i am a friend to thy soule . e : burrough . richard goodgroom held forth at the dispute at draton the 18. day of the 11. moneth , 1657. he said the letter was the word ; and by letter he said he meant the thing contained in the scriptures : and when i said i had the letter in my hand , meaning my bible , but not the thing signified ; he said , but i had the thing signified : and he said , people were justified by christ , excluding the new birth and the work of sanctification ; and christ justified sinners as sinners ( that is ) while sinners remaining in sin . at justice fortescues house , in the yeare 1656. he did deny that any was converted to god by a light within ▪ and then asked if it was not that same light which converted , which gave the knowledge of god , and they confessed yea : and yet did deny that the light within converted to god , though i shewed them that scripture , 2 cor. 4. 6. which did confound the deceit . at uxbridge one time he said , christ needed not to have come to have judged the world , for there was sin enough in the world to judge it before he came . then i asked if sinne judged the world , and he answered yea ; and he said they were in the covenant of god , spoken of nehem. 9. which turned the law of god behind their backs . the end . a discovery of divine mysteries wherein is unfoulded secret things of the kingdom of god, being a testimony ... : all which are published for the edification of such as desire to know the truth / by a servant of truth, edward burroughs. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 1661 approx. 83 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 20 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. text creation partnership, ann arbor, mi ; 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ascii text with mnemonic sdata character entities); displayable xml (tcp schema; characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or text strings within braces); or lossless xml (tei p5, characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or tei g elements). keying and markup guidelines are available at the text creation partnership web site . eng society of friends -doctrines. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-01 aptara keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-02 olivia bottum sampled and proofread 2004-02 olivia bottum text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a discovery of divine mysteries ; wherein is unfoulded secret things of the kingdom of god : being a testimony i. concerning life and death , with their several fruits and effects distinguished . ii. concerning the mystery of god and godliness ; and concerning the mystery of the devil , and iniquity . iii. concerning true liberty of conscience , what it is in it self , and how obtained ; and what the true guide and rule is of the exercise of conscience . iv. concerning the diversity of iudgments in religion ; the cause and the effect thereof , and the means to bring to unity . all which are published for the edification of such as desire to know the truth : by a servant of truth , edward burroughs . london , printed for robert wilson , at the sign of the black-spread-eagle and wind-mill , in martins le grand , 1661. the preface . the light of the day of god almighty , is arisen upon us in our day ; and the shinings forth thereof , is with great clearness and force , even as the sun at noon-day , and many are come to the glorious appearance thereof , and to walk in its light with much joyfulness : for , as the wise man said , the light is sweet , and a pleasant thing it is for the eye to behold the sun : and so fully is our morning-sun now appeared , that the upright in heart may walk and not stumble , and the poor in spirit may run in the path of life , and not fall ; for , indeed we may say the night is spent , and the day is come ; therefore let us walk in the day , and put on the armour of light , as many as are made the children thereof . and where the light of this sun is arisen , and in whose hearts it shineth , it cannot but give some testimony through such an one , of its own glory , vertues and excellency , to them that sit yet in darkness and in the bondage of corruption , that they also may see the same light and glory arise on their tabernacle : for 't is the property of this spiritual heavenly light , to shine forth out of darkness , and to give light to such as have long sate in darkness , that their souls may live , and be refreshed with the light of the living ; and for this cause do we labour and spend , and are spent , accounting nothing too dear for us , that the light of truth may shine abroad and guide the upright in the perfect way , till the elect be gathered into the pasture of eternal life , and the sun so elivated on the firmament of ioy and praises , never to go down , but the saying fulfilled , there shall be no night , but the light of the sun shall be as the light of seven dayes . these following testimonies were written at divers times , as the lord drew forth my spirit through the motions of his life in me ; some of them , some years since ; and being cast by among bundels of manuscripts , and now lately come to my sight , and looking them over , i have thought good to send them abroad , as being of service to many : and this is the occasion and end of my present publishing these things . and to the iudgment of the spirit of god in all the saints , do i commend my labours , and may self to be approved ; who am a friend to all men . e. b. westmoreland , the 25th of the 7th month , 1661. chap. i. a testimony concerning life and death , with their several fruits and effects distinguished . there is only life and death , and there is but only life and death in the whole creation , that ruleth and reigneth , in , and among , and over all the children of men ; and all the children of men upon the face of the harth are under the government and dominion of life , or of death , in whatsoever they are , and in whatsoever they do ; and life or death hath the rule and government in every creature , in every exercise , whether of works or words ; and all people upon the earth are subject to the government of one , or the other , and bring forth the fruits and works in obedience to life or to death , and shews them forth in visible appearance . now these two , ( to wit ) life and death , are contrary one to the other , in being , in nature , in works and fruits ; and each of these are known and distinguished the one from the other , in being , in nature , in fruits and effects , which diversly they bring forth in this world ; and each of them hath a kingdom and government in himself , distinct from , and contrary each to other ; and each of them have their several subjects , which also are contrary in birth and generation , in quality and kind ; over which they rule and govern , and to whom they give distinct portions and heirships in this world , and hereafter : and where life rules and reigns , death is held in captivity and bondage ; and where death lives , the life dies ; and where one of these brings forth fruit , the other is barren ; for they agree not in one , but are in all things contrary : and the subjects of the one are always opposing and striving against the subjects of the other : and between life and death there is continual war and strife among the creatures , who are the subjects of the one of them , in whatsoever man is , and in what he doth . first , concerning life i will speak . life was in the beginning with god , and is without descent , and god is life in himself , without beginning or ending of time , place , or matter ; and life put forth it self out of its invisible being , into work and action in the beginning of the world , and appeared in visible operations and works , and brought forth all creatures , and all things , into visible appearances ; and life was the author of all , the beginning and foundation of all ; and life was and is that being and vertue of all things that are , and it was the ioy and delight of all things that it self brought forth ; for all 〈…〉 through it , and it gave breath and 〈…〉 all creatures ; and life blessed them all , and in it were all creatures at unity , being framed and brought into visibility , and for the pleasure of life , which was all in all in the beginning ; and there was a sweet concurrance and harmony in the whole creation through the power and being of life in the midst of all creatures , through which the whole creation was made and framed by the eternal word of life , and through which they stood and did remain in blessedness ; and life ruled and reigned in every creature that was brought forth , and was the glory and substance thereof : for life was and is that only begotten of the father , the son and the heir of the everlasting father , his express image and brightness ; being one with the father , not separated or divided from him . and as for death , it was not yet known , nor had it any place in the creation ; if had yet received no power , nor kingdom , nor government , neither was it in being : but life was all , over all , through all , and in all , in the beginning , before disobedience and transgression entered to war against life ; but life was prince , ruler and governour , in and over all the works of the creator . and life in its being is god , and god is life ; and in its government , and fruits , and effects , is purity , righteousness , truth , holiness , meekness , and all the works that are just and equal according to god , and like him , and which shewes him forth in the creation ; and this was , and it was thus in the begining , before death entred into the world , or had a kingdom ; but it is written , the devil abode not in the truth , but went out of the truth ; and he is the king of death , and hath the power of it ; he went out of the power of god , and out of the life , by which all things was made and created , and abode not in the truth , nor in the life , to live , and act , and speak in that , but desired to be , and became to be something of himself without god ; and he spoke of himself , and acted of himself , without the power and life , and also contrary to the power and life of the creator , being separated from it , and become a distinct being of himself ; and then having lost his state and first condition , thus became an enemy to life and truth , and became the king of death ; and he was the first of death's race , and he holds the power of it upon this day ; he being gone out of the truth , and out of the power and life of god , and become a distinct being of himself , having a kingdom of his own to promote in opposition to the kingdom of god. then he drew mankind out of the power and truth , and life ; beguiled eve and adam , as you read in the scriptures , and they lost the life & power ( even all feeling of it , and comfort in it ) by which they were created and made ; and they also transgressed and acted contrary to the life and power , and acted of themselves , and spake of themselves , without the power and life of their creator , being separated from it ; and were and did something of themselves without god the creator : and then the power and life cast them out of all peace , joy , and happiness , into the earth , and into death ; and death became king and prince over mankind : and they had no more possession of life , nor blessedness by it in their separated estate , neither did it any longer reign in them ; but they having transgressed against the life , and acted of themselves , and spoken of themselves , without the leadings and movings of the life , this was their transgression ; they went out of the power and life in all motions and actions , and them life drove them forth of its good pleasure into the earth , separate from its vertues and peace , and into death , which is contrary to it self , to live in anguish and sorrow : and so when the devil was gone out of the truth , and had led mankind out of the truth , and out of life , and thereby they were all separated from life , and drove out from god , out of his pleasure , into his wrath ; then became death to have a being in mankind , and great authority , and not before ; and then death began his kingdom in the vvorld , and over it , and he set up his rule and government in , and among , and over all the children of men . and so from transgression came death , that was its beginning , man having transgressed against the life that brought him forth ; and being separated from life , then death took place , and its kingdom was established over the world , and in all the children of men , in opposition to life , and its government and kingdom ; and death reigns , from adam , so saith the scripture ▪ and the life was transgressed against , and so provoked into an absence , and to withdraw it self into invisibility from the enjoyment of mankind , that it should not be self nor perceived of him to comfort him ; and then the whole body of death came upon man , to lead his conscience and vex his soul : and death , and only death hath a preheminence over all in transgression , and is established into a kingdom , over sinful subjects , who are under its command ; and hath its rule and government , and brings forth its works and fruits in mankind , contrary to life , and in opposition to it , and to its kingdom and power , and opposeth the kingdom and power of life ( the creator ; ) and in its nature , and all its fruits and vvorks , it is contrary and opposite to life , and its vvorks and fruits ; and through death is the whole creation in its exercise by man perverted from the right use and end ordained of god ; and out of death proceedeth all evil , as lying , swearing , drunkenness and whoredom , pride , strife , and every evil work and word : these things are the fruits and vvorks of death ; and death governs the children of men in the practice of all these things ; and in transgression death lives , and acts , and speaks through men and vvomen ; and death rules in them , and hath perverted them in all their wayes ; for they have given their power to it , and it wholly captivates them , and is established over them , and hath the dominion in them , and life is swallowed up of it : and this kingdom of death opposeth god , and the kingdom of life , and exalts it self against life , and hath its operation in the creature , in all manner of unrighteousness , bringing forth daily such words , works , fruits and effects , as doth oppress and is a burden unto the life , and unto the god of life and death ; and its kingdom doth continually war and strive against life and its kingdom , and the one opposeth the other through all generations since the beginning : for the devil is the king of death , and hath the power of it , and he is king in its government , and ruler in its dominion ; and this is the state of all the children of men in transgression , death rules , and the kingdom of death reigns in them , and it brings forth cursed fruits through them , and they are subjects thereof , and in obedience thereunto in all things : and through death , which hath power over them , are they separated from life , and have no part nor portion therein , because of death , that hath separated them , and vailed and clouded them , and loads their consciences . but now the promise of the god of life , is , to restore mankind out of death and darkness , and that life shall reign again , and subdue death , and destroy it and its kingdom , and swallow it up ; and this is the promise of the father : for , in transgression death hath subdued life , and overcome it in mankind ; but in the restoration , life shall swallow up death , and subdue it , and overcome it : and this comes to passe through the rising again of life from under death , which hath held it in bondage ; and life that made the world in the beginning , and gave to all things life and substance , as i have said ; which life , in its measure in mankind , hath been overcome and swallowed up in transgression : that life shall appear , though in another manner of appearance than it did in the beginning ; for then it appeared freely of it self without opposition , and brought forth the first creation ; but now it doth appear through great opposition , and through all that doth oppose it in this second creation , when life comes again to reign over death , and swallow it up , and overcome and subdue it ; and who comes to witness this ( the new creation ) they know life appearing through opposition , and through the destroying of death , and all its works and fruits : for christ is the life , and he is the seed of the woman , which bruiseth the serpents head , who hath the power of death ; life bruiseth his head , breaketh his government , and destroyes his works , as it appeareth and riseth in the creature ; and death and its works opposeth life and its manifestation and appearance , and gainsayes it , and often quencheth it in its appearances . now the first appearance of life in the creature , it convinceth and reproveth the works of death , and the words that proceed from death , which are unrighteous words , and unrighteous works ; and life when it rises , reproves them and condemns them : and th●●●gh death doth oppose and gainsay the operation of 〈◊〉 ; yet life works through , and overcometh , subdueth , and swalloweth up death , and destroyes all its works in the second creation : and life again comes to take possession of the creature , which it made in the beginning ; and life comes to reign again , 〈◊〉 right it is to reign ; for , by it the creature mankind , and all creatures were in the beginning formed and brought forth , and therfore it is its right to reign , and to have the dominion over the works of its 〈◊〉 is , whom since the beginning in transgression , the devil and death , and his seat of government ▪ hath had they possession of : and christ the power of god , and the life , hath been as it were dispossessed : and thus the first creation has been defaced , and lost its glory ; and it hath been corrupted and degenerated quite from the perfect state as it was created in , and mankind hath been servent to another power , and led captive by another power than the power that made him , and another government hath been established over him , and another law hath exercised him than the government and law of the creator , ( to wit ) the power and government , and law of death have had the rule , government and exercise of man , and of the old creation , and hereby all things have been diverted from their proper and perfect place and service , to which they were ordained in the beginning , by reason . transgression and the reigning of death ; and man 〈◊〉 been held in captivity , and in sore bondage , and 〈…〉 all 〈◊〉 and distress , deprived of unity with his 〈◊〉 , and deprived of the comfortable use and benefit of the creation ; 〈◊〉 that of all creatures he hath been the most 〈◊〉 , being held in bondage and captivity under the 〈…〉 , which hath ruled and reigned over him , and in 〈…〉 alwayes subject to death , and subject to the curse and anger of the lord ▪ and subject to 〈◊〉 and fears , 〈…〉 and sorrow ; and all this is , because death hath reigned and had dominion ; even that which 〈…〉 in the beginning of transgression , betrayed him of the 〈…〉 , that got possession it self to reign , and to have the power , which ever since hath reigned , and alwayes doth , till the appearance of the life again , which doth appear in the creature for this end , to overcome and subdue death , and destroy his works , that it self may reign and free the creation from its degeneration and corruption , and free mankind from his bondage and captivity , and from his misery and all his trouble , which is come upon him by reason of death . and this comes to passe in the new-creation when life is born again , to rule and reign again , and to swallow up death , and to subdue it wholly , and its kingdom and government . and then man again is become a son of god , an heir of salvation , and no more death reigns in him , nor hath power over him , when he is restored out of transgression ; then , as death hath reigned and had power in transgression , life shall so reign in and over the creature , in the new-creation , when that is brought forth , as death hath reigned in the old-creation in transgression and disobedience : and life will arise to reign and rule over all , and in all , though it be through great opposition ; the body of death shall be put off , and the government of death shall be subdued , and all the works , fruits and effects of death shall be destroyed and done away , and its place shall no more be found , so as to bring forth fruit ; for its sting shall be taken away , and shall no more wound , nor pierce , nor hurt the creature : for the sting of death is sin , and that hath wounded and hurt the creature ; and when this comes to passe , then there is glory and rejoycing over all , for life hath swallowed up death , and overcome it , and the cause of sorrow is removed and taken away , and the kingdom of life is established in the creature , and is set upon the top of death's kingdom , and keeps it under , and if there be but a motion of death that would spring up , or appear in the creature , life judgeth it down , and condemns it . and this kingdom , is righteousness , ioy , and peace , full of iustice , righteousness and equity , and there is nothing in it that doth defile or destry , or bring sorrow or misery ; but life rules over all that , and subdues the cause thereof , and removes every thing that would imbondage or captivate the creature in evil : and this kingdom is not of this world , but from heaven and heavenly ; and the birth immortal is heir thereof , which receives the crown and the kingdom of eternal life . now the kingdom of death is of this world , which is defiled and degenerated : cain was a subject of this kingdom , and esau that was a reprobate , and iudas that betrayed the life , and all the ungodly and generation of the wicked since the beginning , they were all of the kingdom of death , and the kingdom of death ruled in them , and brought forth its works through them , and its exercise in their hearts and in their lives ; and though its power they opposed and gainsayed the life , and they fought against the kingdom of life and righteousness , and such were the pharisces who put christ to death , who is the life . death reigned over all these , and they were of the stock of death , and they were of this world , and had their conversation below in the earthly things ; and knew not the life , not its government , but were strangers to it , and enemies to it , as all are at this day , who are transgressors against the life , and all such are subject to the curse , to sorrow and misery , and the anger of the lord ; but who comes to feel the life , and the obedience to it again , death is destroyed through death ; for , through the death of death , death comes to be destroyed , and no otherway : which the life works , and the life works through death , and overcomes it , and swallows it up ; and this is the second creation , and the new creation , where life reigns over all , and doth possess the creature , as it did before transgression . the life is the light , and the life is the law , and life lives , moves , and acts the creature ; and christ who is the life , becomes all in all ; and blessed are they who wait for this , and do witness it : to such am i known in these things , where the kingdom of death is overcome and swallowed up of life . chap. ii. a testimony concerning the mystery of god and godliness ; and , concerning the mystery of the devil and iniquity . there are two great mysteries in their invisible being , and in manifestation to us in the world , ( that is to say ) the mystery of god and godliness , and the mystery of the devil and iniquity . these are two great mysteries , which do discover and act themselves forth in , and among , and through the children of men in this creation ; and these two mysteries are contrary one to the other , in being , in nature , in works , in fruits and effects ; and they are in strife one against the other , the one continually opposing the other , and striving for the creature , mankind , to be the instrument to display themselves through , in visible appearance ; for the creature man and woman is a vessel wherein these mysteries are contained , and whereby these mysteries do shew themselves forth in the world ; and all the sons of adam upon the face of the earth are possessed with , and of , one of these , ( that is to say ) the mystery of god , or the mystery of the devil do manifest themselves forth through every man and woman ; and through all the sons of adam upon the face of the earth , the works , fruits and effects of one of these are brought forth . and as for the mystery of god , it is infinit and eternal in being , and which was , and is , and is to come , without beginning or end : and this mystery reacheth it self forth more or less in every creature upon the face of the whole earth , and is the life , and being , and substance of all things ; and all creatures upon the face of the earth , whether movable or immovable , is a partaker of this mystery ; and this mystery is vailed and hidden secretly in and under all things that have a being , and whatsoever the creature brought forth , even in the greatest appearance thereof ; and its goodness and vertue , in what form or appearance soever , is but the production , or the manifestation of the mystery [ god ] for the life of every creature , and the vertue of every creature is a mystery , and proceedeth out of the great mystery of god , who is life it self , vertue it self , 〈…〉 it self , and being it self ; and is the goodness , and the vertue , and the life and being of all things and creatures upon the 〈◊〉 of the earth ; 〈…〉 every thing that hath a being , even the wicked and 〈◊〉 , are not without this mystery 〈…〉 manner 〈◊〉 other ; for by him every creature is , an 〈◊〉 first being . but now more perfectly doth the mystery of god appear in his servants , and in his children who are born of him , and begotten by him , and they have the sence and feeling , and understanding of this mystery more than any other creatures ; and this is their glory and crown above all other creatures upon the face of the whole earth ; for they only , i say , who are redeemed to god , and born of the spirit , they are them that have the sence , and feeling , and understanding of this mystery , even of the mystery of god , infinit , endless and eternal . and though this mystery be hid in all other creatures , and manifesting it self through them , yet this mystery is not known to them , nor understood of them , nor of any other creature ( i say ) besides the children of the lord , in whom this mystery is only revealed ; for they are them through whom more manifestly and plainly this mystery is made manifest , and to them revealed , and known , and felt in their understandings ; and they have the enjoyment thereof who know god , and are known of him , and are entered into covenant with him , into everlasting covenant of ioy and peace ; and through them doth this mystery display it self , even in the sight of all creatures , in works of righteousness , and works of purity , and works of goodness , of mercy , of truth , of peace , and of wisdom , in their exercise of all things ; and in this manner , and by these fruits and effects doth the mystery of god shew it self forth through his children , in whom the mystery is opened , that is hid in all other creatures : and this is the crown of the children of the lord , that are born from heaven , and from above , that the mystery of god is felt and enioyed by them , and more manifest to them than in any other creatures : and to know this mystery of god , is life eternal ; and to have the understanding of his leadings , of his judgment , of his mercy , and of his counsel , and of the operation of his power ; to feel this in the understanding , this is ioy , and a crown of glory , where the mystery of god is revealed in spirit . and as for the mystery of the devil , it is darkness , and in darkness ; and it shews it self forth in the ungodly , and in the sons of adam in transgression , and in such onely doth this mystery of iniquity , and of sin , and of the devil display it self forth in all unrighteousnesse and sin ; and that which is contrary to the creator in works , words and thoughts ; all these things are the manifestation of the mystery of the devil , and its fruits and effects , who is out of the truth , who is vailed and covered , and hidden in the hearts of the ungodly , and in the hearts of the sons of adam in the fall : this mystery was not from the beginning , as the other , but when the devil went out of the truth , and had led man's mind out of the truth , and taken possession of the heart of man , and become ruler and lord there , having gained authority over man through man's obedience to him , then began this mystery to discover it self , and act it self through the creature ; and this was since the beginning : and though no other creature be an agent to manifest forth this mystery but man , yet man in his exercise of all creatures , or all creatures through the exercise of man in transgression , there is shewed forth this mystery of iniquity , that secretly lurks in the spirits of ungodly men ; which spirit of unrighteousness , the mystery of the devil , leads man into all sinfulness , of drunkenness and uncleanness , and such like , and hath polluted the earth , and defiled all creatures through man's exercise in them : and this is truly an appearance of the mystery of the devil ; yet he hath other appearances , and other makings-out of his mystery ( to wit ) in a way of seeming righteousness , and seeming holiness , and seeming purity ; and these shew the mystery of unrighteousness , the mystery of the devil , who deceives the soul that is immortal of the enjoyment of the creator , who is the desire of the immortal soul ; and so through a form , and likenesse , and appearance of a thing is the soul immortal deceived , and beguiled with that which hath appearances in it , but no life nor substance . and though the mystery of iniquity be but one in it self , yet it manifests it self divers wayes ; sometimes in open prophanesse and wickedness , and sometime in seeming righteousness and holiness , and in a form of religion without power : but the lord is arisen to confound the mystery of the devil and iniquity , and will discover it , and destroy it ; for it is the mystery of iniquity that worketh in the children of disobedience , that are strangers to god ; and through the operation of this mystery are people kept at a distance from the lord , and out of unity and covenant with him : and this mystery of iniquity worketh hiddenly , not known but in the eternal eye , which sees through the spirit of creatures , and comprehendeth and fathometh over the nature of things , and can judge beyond the appearance , even in the ground , before action appeareth : for while people are professing and acting holiness and righteousness visibly , and yet not changed by the power of the lord , nor renewed in nature , mind , and spirit , from the first adam to the second , the righteousness and holiness brought forth in that state , is but the acting of the mystery of iniquity , and the wolf putting on the sheeps cloathing ; and this god will judge , and all appearances without life , and all shews without substance , all this will the lord judge and confound , and bring to nought ; for it is but the working of the mystery of the devil , who is out of the truth . and this mystery hath more abounded since the dayes of the apostles , than in ages since the beginning , in as much as this mystery hath operated and displayed it self forth in a higher appearance and fairer shew than ever it did before ; for this mystery hath sat in the temple of god , and shewed it self to be god , and been worshipped above all that is called god : this mystery of iniquity , the man of sin , which hath put on the sheeps cloathing , and shews it self as the sheep of christ , and as christians and churches ; all which hath been for many ages the manifestation of this mystery , while that the mystery of the devil hath not been destroyed : but now is the lord arisen , who will discover and destroy this mystery , and save the creature ; and in the destruction of this mystery , is the other mystery revealed , ( to wit ) the mystery of god and of christ , and that is the mystery of christ , that destroyes the mysterie of antichrist and of the devil : and now the sons and daughters of the lord almighty are coming into this mystery of god eternal , who is blessed for ever ; and all that is coming to be overthrown which doth oppose it , and gainsay it ; and there is nothing that can destroy or discover this mystery , but the appearance of christ the son of god ; for it is he that doth discover and destroy the mystery of iniquity , by the spirit of his mouth , and by the brightness of his coming ; and this are people coming to : the man of sin is to be thrown down , and the man of righteousness , the man of god is revealed , and sons and daughters shall shew him forth in the world , and the mystery of god shall shew it self forth over the world , and in nations ; and blessed are all they that come to the opening of this mystery of god , which is the mystery of life and eternal salvation . chap. iii. a testimony concerning true liberty of conscience , what it is in it self , and how it is obtained ; and what the true guide and rule is of the exercise of conscience . this is my testimony , as i have received from the lord : true liberty of conscience , is , liberty and freedom of the conscience from the bondage of sin , and all transgression past and present ; and from whatsoever hath been , or is a burden or oppression upon the conscience , whether inward or outward : the conscience , i say , is at liberty when it is freed from the burden of the guilt of sin past , and from the present temptation unto sin : and till this is witnessed , there is no true liberty of conscience ; for every thing whatsoever , which is sin and transgression against god , in works or words , brought forth by the creature , is bondage and a burden , and oppresseth the pure conscience : and therefore perfect freedom from all sin and transgression , is , where the body of sin and death is put off , and where the evil is crucified , and the guilt of it taken away , and where the conscience is truly exercised by the spirit of christ , which leadeth into all truth , and preserveth from all evill ; then is the conscience at liberty , and this is true liberty of conscience , when this is brought forth in the creature : for where sin is brought forth , and transgression lived in , there the conscience is bound , and the cord of iniquity imbondageth the conscience , and it hath not its liberty in the service of god , nor from the service of the devil , because the spirit of god doth not exercise it ; but the spirit of unrighteousness leadeth the mind into the lusts of this world , into lying , swearing , pride , drunkenness , hypocrisie , and idolatry ; and the guilt of these things burdeneth and presseth down , and is a bondage upon the conscience : and where the conscience is bound by unrighteousness within , and by the spirit of the world , which leadeth contrary to the lord , there is no power of man without can set that conscience free , or give liberty to it ; because the cord of iniquity hath bound it within , and the burden of guilt is upon it , and conscience lies under bondage , unexercised with the spirit of god , which is free , and setteth free the conscience in the practice of all good , and from the power and captivity of all evil. therefore , before true liberty of conscience be witnessed , or any have true liberty in conscience , iniquity must be purged out , and sin crucified , and the body of death put off , and guilt washed away , and the anointing received that leadeth into all truth , and the blood of christ ( the seed ) felt , that sprinkleth the conscience from all sin , and works of the flesh , and washeth away all that which stains and defileth the conscience , and then the pure conscience hath its true liberty from the bondage of all evil , and from the guilt thereof , and in the exercise of all good ; and this is true liberty of conscience ; and thus it is attained , and by no other way nor means , than by the sword of the spirit of god , which cutteth down the contrary : and where conscience is thus freed within by the power of the lord , and delivered from the bondage of evil , and from the burden of all guilt , and exercised in all good by the spirit of god ; then nothing without , nor any power of man , which may work against such by persecution , and act in opposition to such whose consciences are thus freed , can imbondage the conscience to god-wards , or bring it under a burden to godwards , i say : for it is not altogether bondage of conscience , or the burden or oppression upon his conscience , that is set free , as aforesaid , though he is outwardly persecuted by men ; for that doth but hinder the exercise of his conscience to manwards , but not to godwards ; for there his conscience is free , in joy and peace , though , by reason of persecution , he cannot have the exercise of it to men : i say , though such be put in prison , banished , or whatsoever suffering be laid upon them , by any men , or laws without ; yet their pure conscience is free and at liberty in it self to godwards , through all this , and over it all ; for he lord hath set them free from all that bondage and guilt of iniquity , which hath been a bondage upon their consciences within : and whether they do suffer , or have freedom or captivity in their persons from men , yet is their pure conscience at liberty to godward , and in perfect freedom in it self , and to themselves , though for the name of christ , and his truth , they be persecuted , and all evil done against them by evil men , and the exercise of their pure consciences prevented , as to manwards . for that which defiles the conscience , doth bring it under bondage ; but that which keeps it pure , and free from pollution , that keeps it in liberty , and in perfect freedom to god , over all persecution and evil men , and unjust laws , which would exercise dominion in and over the conscience of the saints , and bring them into captivity ; as sometimes their persons are by evil laws and persecutors . but who standeth in the power of the lord , and in the exercise of the spirit of god , which freeth the conscience in their own particulars ( as i have said ) doth not come into bondage in conscience to godwards , by laws , or men , but enjoyeth freedom and liberty therein ; as much in sufferings and in persecutions under all the cruelty of men , as in doing and practices when they are not persecuted ; for in sufferings the conscience is exercised , and hath its liberty in patience and forbearance ; and at liberty of persons , in practice it is exercised , and hath its liberty , in doing and performing whatsoever the spirit of the father moveth and leadeth unto . and thus , where god hath freed the conscience , and it is free , and at liberty in him , and to him ; nothing without can bring it into bondage or captivity ; but in all conditions , and in all exercises , whether doing or suffering , the pure conscience is in liberty in it self , and in perfect freedom in god , through all , over all , and beyond all . but now , there hath been a great cry among many ( that have professed righteousness and religion ) for freedom of conscience , and begging and craving from the powers of the earth to tolerate liberty of conscience , and that they might have the liberty of their conscience in religion : and thus some have been looking too much without for liberty of conscience from men , and from powers without them , before their consciences were set free by the lord within , and the bond of iniquity broken , and that burden of iniquity and guilt done away , which hath been a burden and bondage upon the conscience : for , as i said , no man , nor powers of the earth can truly free or give liberty to the conscience , which is bound by the cord of iniquity within ; but 't is evident , the cry for liberty hath not been so much for the exercise of conscience truly so , as for the freedom each one of their sect , and for the liberty in practice of their own worship and conformity ; and thereupon have divers men , of divers sects , sought to the powers of men , and of the earth , to grant them liberty of their consciences ; when as it hath been rather , for the freedom to , and defence of , their sect , and of their practices in their worship , than for liberty of conscience truly so ; for while they have cryed for liberty from without , yet sin , and iniquity , and transgression have lain upon their conscience within , and they have sought from men for the liberty of their sect , to practise their own worship , which they have called liberty of conscience : and to this intent by some hath been the cry for liberty of conscience , that their sect , and their own wayes of worship , might be defended from the violence of others , who have opposed their practices and worships : for people of divers ways of worship , and of divers sects , have all been at strife one with another , and divided one against another ; and yet all professed good conscience , and cryed for liberty thereof from the powers of the earth ; not but that the powers of the earth ought to grant free liberty of conscience in the exercise of every sect of religion , and to suffer all to profess and practise their religion , while they walk justly and peaceably in a land : but here hath lodged the deceit and deceivableness of the spirit of satan , in the hearts of men , from the least to the greatest of all those divers false sects and worshippers ; they have therein zealously gone on , and pleaded for their sects and worship , though never so grosse or dark , and contrary to truth , under the denomination of freedom and liberty of good conscience ; and the very title and name hath been the colour , and deceived many , while a false worship , and false practices of false sects , have gone under the name of liberty of good conscience ; and thousands have been deceived , and blindly led into such a false sect , and into such a profession , to act and perform with great zeal , false practices in a false worship , falsly supposing it to be out of a good conscience , and that they have acted in the liberty thereof : yea , and many may suffer great and grievous things , and some the losse of their lives , for the very practice of false things , and false worships , in a false sect , and yet under the name of good conscience , and for liberty of conscience , as they may profess and believe . but this may seem strange to be spoken to some , who may enquire how it comes to passe , and how this may be , that many may suffer great and grievous cruelties ; and some the losse of their lives , for the practice of false things , and the exercise of false worships , which they may suppose to be out of a good conscience , and for good conscience sake ; whereas it is not truly so , nor rightly so : but how happeneth this , may some say ? i answer . this cometh to passe after this manner : because conscience is made of that , and of the things and performances which god requires not ; and so there is a great zeal in the doing and performing of such a practice , and such a worship , when as the lord hath not required these things at their hands ; and this is , because the mind , and heart , and conscience is dark , and not truly informed , nor guided with the spirit of truth , and of the father ; but a false spirit ruleth and leadeth the conscience , and it is not exercised with the spirit of the father that leadeth into all truth : so i do acknowledge that conscience may be mis-led , and mis-guided , and mis-informed ; and conscience may be made of doing such and such things which the lord doth not require , and there may be a fear not taught of the lord , not received by the sence of his presence , but only received into the heart by the precepts of men , example of others , custom of times , or the like ; and here the conscience being not truly informed , nor guided by the spirit of the lord , there is a false fear and zealousness in the performing of such things which the lord doth not require , nor his spirit lead into the practice of ; but only the tradition and precepts of men , hath placed a false law and commandment , which requires a false obedience ; which many , whose understandings are blinded , and being without true knowledge , they zealously perform and practise as the worship of god , thinking themselves bound in conscience to practise such things , and not to leave them undone ; when as the lord , and his righteous spirit leadeth not to them , nor yet his just law doth require the doing thereof ; but only a false law and commandment is received by precepts and traditions of men , or from looking upon the practice of others : by such means as this , there is a false fear in a blind mis-guided conscience , and a zeal without true knowledge . and thus it was amongst the iews in the prophets dayes , they sacrificed their children , and cut themselves , and caused their children to passe through the fire , and did many things zealously ; when as saith the lord , who hath required these things at your hands ? for they come not into my heart . and paul witnesseth the same of the iews in his dayes , and bore them record , that they had a zeal , but it was not according to true knowledge . and thus the iews were zealously performing that , as their duty , and as out of a good conscience , which the lord required not at their hands ; and so they made conscience to do that , which the lord required not , and their consciences were mis-led , and not rightly informed ; and , as it was amongst the iews in this case in the dayes of old , so now is it amongst the christians in the apostacy , their conscience being mis-guided by a false spirit , they are doing and performing the things in great zeal , and for the exercise of their consciences , which the lord doth not require of them : thus do the papists ; they do and practise the things in great zeal , and through a false fear in their blind consciences , which things are in themselves idolatry , and not commanded nor required 〈◊〉 the lord ; as in many particulars i might shew , even in many parts of their worship and religion , which out of a fear , and blind zeal , and mis-guided conscience , they practise ; which is in it self but idolatry , and not required nor accepted of the lord. and many things in relation to the protestants worship , and amongst all the several false sects upon earth ; which are done and practised in great zeal , and out of a false fear , and as in pretence of a good conscience , and yet are things in themselves idolatrous , as done and practised by them : and this comes to passe , as i have said , because the conscience is mis-informed , and a false spirit guides and rules in the exercise of conscience , and the understanding of the people is blinded , and they know not but they do well , though their minds are captivated , and their minds and judgments in error ; and though there be a sincerity to godwards , and a desire of him in the bottom , among some people of all forms and sects , and some of all are zealous towards god in their practices , in their religion and worships ; yet among all people , and the churches that have been for many generations , there hath been great error in iudgment , and much blindness in mind , and the conscience falsly exercised towards god , and the superscription hath been , to the unknown god ; and he hath been ignorantly worshipped , and the spirit of the lord hath not truly exercised peoples consciences , nor guided their zeal , nor been ruler in the judgment ; and by this means the sincerity and humility towards god hath been eaten out , and alwayes quenched , and the bare practice of things and profession of religion in the outward appearance , hath been more lookt at , than the presence of god felt in the practices : and the zeal hath been more for the performance of such things , than for god purely enjoyed through them : and thus it hath been through christ●●●● in the apostacy since the dayes of the apostles and true churches ; many have erred in their judgments , and the zeal for god 〈◊〉 proceeded our of the error of judgments , and out of misinformation of conscience , and some other thing ▪ man only the spirit of god , hath ruled in the iudgment , and been the exercise of peoples consciences . and this is 〈◊〉 of things about true liberty of conscience ; and about the error in iudgment ; and the blind zeal in captivated sincerity . now it may be objected , what is the only absolute rule of the right exercise of conscience ; and when are mens consciences truly guided ? to this i answer , the only chief and perfect rule of the right exercise of conscience , both to god and all men , is , the spirit of christ : for it is only that which can truly guide the conscience , in faith , doctrine and worship , and in all things towards god ; even the spirit of christ , which is the gift of the father , it only leadeth into all truth , as it is written ; and all , whose consciences are guided and exercised by it , are in unity and peace in their worship , doctrine , and religion ; for the spirit of christ is but one in it self , and guideth the conscience into the exercise of one truth and faith ; and in this same spirit is the true union and communion of saints in religion and worship , and this is manifest through the scriptures ; for the apostle exhorted to walk in the spirit , and by it ; and as many as walked by the rule of the spirit , peace was upon them : and it is the spirit of christ , the everlasting comforter , that teacheth all truth ; and the holy anointing of the spirit that dwelt in the saints , taught them all things ; and they needed no man to teach them , but as the anointing that dwelt in them . and then are mens consciences truly guided in all the wayes of righteousness , when the spirit of god guideth the conscience , and is the rule of all faith , doctrine and practices . so that traditions of men , prescriptions of councils , antiquity of time , commandments of men , nor example of others , without the spirit of christ , cannot be the onely true rule of the exercise of conscience : for all these things are changeable , alterable , and subject to variations , and therefore cannot infallibly guide the conscience in the duty towards god , nor rightly exercise the conscience in unity and peace ; but while a nation , or kingdom , or people walk by the rule of traditions , prescriptions , commandments of men , example of others , or the like , they erre in judgment , in faith , doctrine and worship , and are all divided , and in contentions about these matters , because their rule of conscience and judgment is doubtful and alterable , and not infallible ; and therefore they have no perfect assurance of god's acceptation to them in their faith and religion , nor perfect peace and unity in their faith and worship ; but as the rule of their consciences in their duty towards god is divers , some makes one thing and some another their rule ; so are they divers and divided , in what they hold , profess and practise , and are but of great babylon in their religion : and because that something besides the spirit of god exerciseth the conscience ; therefore is it , that here are so many wayes and sects of religion and kinds of worship in christendom , and among christians , while the spirit of christ only is not the rule of iudgement , and exercise of conscience to god and man ; for the only perfect rule of conscience in the exercise to god , is the spirit of christ , and not any other thing . and now , whosoever shall persecute the exercise of conscience , when guided by the spirit of christ , such persecute christ iesus : and this is persecution for the name of christ , when sufferings are inflicted , as reproaches , imprisonment , or whatsoever , for the exercise of conscience towards god by his spirit : but , and if any are persecuted for religion-sake , only so , if that in such their exercise of religion they are not guided by the spirit of christ , yet that suffering is a kind of persecution also : if , i say , the suffering be only for , and because of their religion-sake , and they walk justly and righteously as men ; so that ( as is signified about the middle of this chapter ) though some may profess good conscience , and cry for liberty thereof in their false sect and religion , not taught them by the spirit of christ ; yet the civil magistrate ought not to punish and use violence to such for their religion ; but if they do , they persecute , and the lord will lay it to their charge . but yet this is safe for all , first to obtain true liberty of conscience to godwards , and to receive the spirit of christ , to be taught only by it , in the exercise of conscience and religion , that they may not erre in conscience and iudgement in spiritual matters , nor suffer wrongfully under pretence of righteousnesse-sake , when as it is not truly so . chap. iv. concerning the diversity of judgements in religion . to all ye that are of divers judgments and opinions in , and concerning spiritual matters ; who are divided about matters of faith , doctrine , worship , and church-government ; some of you holding one thing , and some another different and contrary to that ; being diversly divided in mind and heart , concerning the matters that are one in themselves , and to which you all assent , as to the things in themselves , and yet are different and contrary-minded about the self-same things : to you all i am moved to write , that so ye may be informed perfectly ; first , what the cause is of your divisions , and why it is thus amongst you : and secondly , of the bad effects and fruits such divisions have brought forth : and lastly , the means and way of reconciliation , that ye may come into love , and peace , and unity with god , and one with another , in all things pertaining to his kingdom . first , the cause of your divisions , and of the diversities of judgements and opinions that are amongst you concerning the things and matters of god's kingdom , is , because you want the spirit of god to guide you , and it is not the rule of your knowledge and iudgment ; and you wanting the spirit of god , in which is unity among saints , therefore is it you are so divided , and divers , and different , and contrary one to another in these things ; it is , because ye want the spirit of god , i say , which only teacheth the true knowledge of god , and gives an understanding in all his wayes and matters ; it is the spirit of god that teacheth true faith , true doctrine , and true worship , and all things about church , ministry , and religion ; and if that you had the spirit of god in you , and were taught and guided by it , it would teach you into one faith , and one truth , and into the true worship , and into the true church-government , and you would be in unity and peace ; and if you all had the spirit of god that gave forth the scriptures , and by which spirit the saints of god were guided in dayes past , it would teach you into unity , and to be of one mind , one heart , and one soul in all the matters pertaining to god's kingdom , in faith , worship , doctrine , and all things else ; if you had the spirit of god , i say , and were taught by it , then you would have unity with god , and one with another , in all his wayes , and there would have been no division nor contention amongst you about spiritual matters ; but because you want that , therefore you have strife and division amongst you , even throughout all christendom ; here 's a nation and a kingdom holding such a faith and worship , and there 's another people holding faith and worship contrary to that ; and here 's one sect of people , and there 's another , different in faith , iudgment , and opinion ; and this is a shame to whole christendom , that all should profess christ iesus , and faith in him , and salvation by him , and his doctrine and worship , and yet be in strife and division , and in great contentions concerning the same ; some holding and practizing one manner of faith , worship and doctrine , and others holding contrary and different ; and this shews that ye are all fallen from the life of christianity , as it was held in the apostles dayes amongst the true churches ; for they were of one heart , mind , soul and spirit , as it is written ; they were of one faith , of one worship , of one doctrine , and hand one way of church-government ; and this continued amongst the churches of christ , till there were some that had erred from the spirit of god in their own consciences , and then they also erred in faith , in doctrine , and in all other things relating to god : and these were the apostate christians that had erred from the spirit , and divided themselves from the true church , and differed in iudgment amongst themselves ; and this was , because they had erred from the spirit of god , which would have kept them in unity with god , and one with another : for the spirit is the bond of peace , and the seal of the covenant of love among the saints . so now all ye who are divided in your knowledge and iudgement , and are in contention one with another about the matters pertaining to god's kingdom , you are the apostate christians , and you are without the spirit of christ : the first apostate christians erred from the spirit , and so became divided from the true faith , and from the true worship , and also among themselves ; and you never yet received the spirit of christ that you might come into unity and fellowship with god , and one with another ; and that is the reason of all your divisions in religious matters , because you have not received the spirit of christ , to teach you , and to unite your hearts to god , and one to another ; but you having the scriptures , traditionally , by descent through ages , which do describe and declare of that faith and doctrine , and of the worship and church-government , which were among the saints of old , which they held and practised , and from the scriptures which declare of the things , from thence you take up a conceit and false judgment , and an imitation , and a false conformity ; and then each sort of you call that your faith and church-government , and some after one manner of form , and some after another ; and thus you are divided , because you want the spirit of god that gave forth the scriptures ; which spirit did work true faith in the hearts of them that gave them forth in dayes of old , and it taught them worship , faith , doctrine , and all things concerning gods kingdom , for the spirit led them into all truth ; and now you wanting the same spirit that wrought in them , and taught them ; and you having but their words ( to wit , the scriptures ) from thence , in the wisdom which is below , and in the carnal reason , and in the first mans understanding , each nation takes up a conceit , that it is so and so , and takes up an imitation of worship and church-government according to their own sensual wisdom , and according to the bredth and depth of their conceits ; and then imitates , and that severally and diversly , and in a divided manner ; and this is amongst kingdoms , and amongst neighbours and brethren , this division in matters of faith , worship and doctrine , and church-government ; and yet all these have had the name of christians , and church-members , and worshippers of god , but yet are of many wayes of worship , holding different and contrary principles of faith and doctrine , and also of worship and church-government ; and thus have nations , cities and countries been for many ages ; and thus hath it been , and is at this day amongst the apostate christians , that want the spirit of christ to be their rule , of knowledge , of iudgment , and worship , and of their faith and practices in religion . and this is a shame to whole christendom , amongst whom the spirit of antichrist hath entered , which hath thus divided nations , cities , neighbours and brothers ; for all these divisions about religion amongst the apostate christians , are of antichrist , and not of god ; it is that spirit of antichrist that hath wrought all these divisions , and planted them in the minds of people . secondly : concerning the bad effects of these divisions in matters of faith and worship , as i have said : this division in religion hath begotten and brought forth very much evil throughout the world , much heart-burning , envy , hard-heartedness , strife and contention between kings and rulers , and between nations , between cities , between neighbours , and between brothers ; this division hath wrought bad effects amongst all these ; so that it hath brought forth much war and bloodshed between kings , and great persecutions between rulers and their people , and great debate and strife amongst neighbours and friends ; so that great murders and losse of many lives have been produced and brought forth upon this quarrel , about difference in matters of faith and religion ; and antichrist hath not only divided people in iudgement , but hath also provoked people into rage and envy , to the killing and destroying of one another ; and even that division about spiritual things , begotten by antichrist amongst false christians , hath been turned into personal enmity , and brought forth in the end , murdering and killing the bodies of thousands , when the original debate hath arisen about church-government , or points of religion ; and this is the woful effect that division of religion hath brought forth in all christendom . and all this fruit and effects , as well as the cause of it , hath been of antichrist , and of the dragon and the devil throughout the world ; all this persecution and spoyling of goods , imprisoning of persons , taking away of lives , and banishment ; and whatsoever persecution otherwise that hath risen and been inflicted upon any , for and because of differences in religion , and about faith and worship , all this hath been of antichrist ; and even all laws made for that end , and all executors of such laws , and all penalties of such laws ; and all wars and bloodshed whatsoever , that have ensued only and upon the account of differences in religion ; that being the first , and the only ground of the quarrel ; all this hath been of antichrist , and it came out of the bottomless pit ; and never rose from the spirit of god , but from the antichristian spirit of envy and wickedness , that hath first divided people about matters of faith and religion , and then provoked them to envy and malice , stirring up kings to fight one against another , that was not of their religion , but different and contrary to it : and so the hearts of rulers have been stirred up to persecute all under them , that were different and contrary in matters of faith , worship , and religion ; and this the spirit of antichrist hath effected throughout christendom : and so each king that hath been strongest , would maintain the principles of his faith , and the practice of religion , according to his own conceit , in his dominions : and thus hath religion , worships , and church-government been set up and stood amongst apostate christians throughout the world , by force and power , and by violent laws , and through persecutions and murders ; and all this hath been by the spirit of antichrist : and the spirit of god hath had no hand in those matters , for the setting up and contriving of false faith , false worship , and false church-government ; all this hath depended upon the powers and authorities of the earth , through many ages : and what religion , and church-government , or way of worship , that kings or queens have set up , that only hath been promoted ; but all the rest persecuted and restrained by force and violence ; and all this hath been of antichrist . and now to all ye that are of divers judgments in matters of faith and worship in religion , this is a caution to you all ; and i do warn you all in the presence of the living god , that though ye be divided in the belief and practice of spiritual things , yet live in peace and unity with all men , in all outward relations , and do not envy nor hurt one anothers persons ; though you are in difference about religion , yet suffer not that difference to grow into persecuting or envying one anothers persons , but seek to inform one another , and instruct one another in the spirit of meekness , and perswade one another out of that which is evil , to that which is good , by patience , gentleness , and long-suffering ; and do not force one another by violence , nor persecute one another , neither by words , evil-deeds , nor actions , but live in love to the persons every one of another ; and fight not with persons , nor kill one anothers persons with carnal weapons about religion , but take the spiritual weapons , and war with the spirit against the evil one in one another ; and love persons though they are enemies , and this is christ's doctrine ; and never hereafter let your divisions about spiritual things grow into personal quarrels , to the envying or killing one another . and this is a charge to you all in the presence of the living god. lastly , the means and way to be reconciled and to come out of all division and strife , and to come into peace with god , and one with another , about faith and church-government , is by the spirit of god ; and every one of you in particular must receive the spirit of christ , that it may work in every one of your hearts , true faith , and teach every one of you the true worship of god , and the way of doctrine , and true church-government ; it is the spirit of christ in every one both male and female , that must reconcile and bring into unity with god , and one with another , in all spiritual things ; for it is that which is the bond of peace and love among true christians ; and it is that which reconciles peoples hearts into oneness : and if you receive that spirit , every particular person of you , it will bring you to be of one faith , of one worship , and then your doctrine and church-government will agree : if you receive the spirit that gave forth the scriptures , it will work in you the same faith , and lead you in the same way of worship which the scriptures speak of , and then you will cease taking up conceits , and making imitations of church-governments from the letter , but the same spirit will work in your hearts faith and knowledge in the fulfilling of the scriptures ; and this is true christianity , and the other is the way of all apostate christians , all imitations from the letter without the spirit as gave it forth : for there is a great deal of difference between making a conformity in the imitation of a worship , and church-government , from the scriptures without the spirit , and between the spirits teaching and leading into the same truth , and same worship and church-government , which the scriptures speak of ; the one is of christ , and is in unity , peace , and everlasting fellowship ; the other is of antichrist , and is in division , strife and contention : so you must all wait for the spirit of truth , that you may receive it , to work in your hearts , to teach you , and lead you , or else you will never come to true union and everlasting fellowship with god , and one with another ; neither can you be of one true faith , in one true way of worship , nor in one way of church-government , except you receive the spirit , and walk in the spirit . and these be the words of the lord god unto you all . now as concerning the way of uniformity in faith and church-government , imposed upon nations , and countries and cities , by cruel laws of kings and rulers , as hath been the practice through christendom , to cause a whole nation and kingdom to bow and conform to such principles of faith , and worship , and church-government , according to the will and pleasure of a king , or a ruler , such uniformity and union and fellowship among christians hath not been of christ , where people have walked by imitation , and conformed to the commands of men in such a faith , or to such a worship or church-government ; this hath not been of god , neither could this unity stand or remain for ever , but it hath perished , and will perish where ever it is ; and that faith and worship , and church-government which is so set up , and so held , will never save the soul , nor comfort it ; but it is blasted of god : whilst a nation , or a kingdom , or a people have uniformity , or hold faith , worship , or religion , either in the ignorance of their consciences , or contrary to their consciences , by the force of mens commandments , and not by the perswasion of the spirit of god in their own consciences ; such conformity , i say , is of antichrist , and not of the father , neither can it stand in the day of the lord ; but the fire of his wrath will consume it : all the apostate christians in their uniformity of faith , worship , and church-government , which is some other way , or by some other means , than only by the spirit of god , is of antichrist , and will be confounded : for there is no true unity and fellowship in the wayes of god , and his truth and worship , but what is in the spirit , and that unity will stand for ever , for it is in god ; not feigned , neither because of the love and fear of this world , as the other is . that uniformity in faith and worship which is forced upon people , is all but hypocrisie and deceit , both to god and man , and god will judge it in the imposers , and imposed : therefore no true unity in faith , nor worship , nor in religion but what is in and by the spirit of god : for as 〈◊〉 come to divide themselves into many wayes , and into divers sects when they went from the spirit of god , and lost it , and whilst they have been without the spirit they have remained in division , strife , and contention about religion ; so now the means and way of true union and fellowship , and faith , is by receiving the spirit of god again , and not any otherwise : and as christians are brought again to receive this spirit , and walk therein , all division and strife about religion will cease , and the cursed fruits and effects thereof will also wither and be no more ; but then unity , peace , blessedness , everlasting fellowship and comfort with the lord , and one with another , in all his ways , will be witnessed amongst all people . the end . a standard lifted up, and an ensigne held forth, to all nations shewing unto the whole world, and to all people to whom it shall come, by open proclamation, what the testimony of god is ... / ... edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30545 of text r12973 in the english short title catalog (wing b6030). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 73 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 19 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30545 wing b6030 estc r12973 12033575 ocm 12033575 52817 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30545) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 52817) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 861:23) a standard lifted up, and an ensigne held forth, to all nations shewing unto the whole world, and to all people to whom it shall come, by open proclamation, what the testimony of god is ... / ... edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. [4], 32 p. printed for giles calvert ..., london : 1658. reproduction of original in huntington library. table of contents: p. [3]-[4] errata: p. 32. eng society of friends -doctrines. a30545 r12973 (wing b6030). civilwar no a standard lifted up, and an ensigne held forth, to all nations: shewing unto the whole world, and to all people to whom it shall come, by o burrough, edward 1658 14684 4 0 0 0 0 0 3 b the rate of 3 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the b category of texts with fewer than 10 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-01 aptara keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-02 olivia bottum sampled and proofread 2004-02 olivia bottum text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a standard lifted up , and an ensigne held forth , to all nations : shewing unto the whole world , and to all people to whom it shall come , by open proclamation , what the testimony of god is , and of his people which they hold , which they have received from him , through the eternal spirit , of which they are not ashamed before men , but are called to witness it forth in the nations , in the same spirit and power as they have received it from the lord . also shewing of his great work which he is about to do in the earth , and this testimony is true and no lie , for it is of god and witnessed by thousands of his people at this day ; who are in scorn called quakers . and given forth by a servant of the lord , edward burrough . london , printed for giles calvert at the black-spread-eagle at the west end of pauls . 1658. a table of the contents . chap. 1. a testimony concerning the true god . ch. 2. a testimony concerning the son of god . chap. 3. a testimony concerning the spirit of god . chap. 4. a testimony concerning all mankind . chap. 5. a testimony concerning the world in general . chap. 6. a testimony concerning mans restauration , redemption , salvation , what they are , and by whom they are wrought . chap. 7 a testimony concerning true religion , and the true worship of the true god . chap. 8. a testimony concerning iustification and sanctification . chap. 9. a testimony concerning the kingdom of christ , and how it is to be set up . chap. 10. a testimony concerning governours and governments , and subjection to them . chap. 11. a testimony concerning the true ministry of christ , and the false ministry , and the difference betwixt them . ch. 12. a testimony concerning the gospel of christ . chap. 13. a testimony concerning the word of god , and concerning the scriptures . chap. 14. a testimony concerning the devil and damnation . chap. 15. a testimony concerning all creatures that god made . chap. 16. a testimony concerning the new covenant , and how man comes to the knowledge of god . chap. 17. a testimony concerning faith . chap. 18. a testimony concerning what works are accepted of god , and what works are not accepted , brought forth by the creature . chap. 19. a testimony concerning mans state in the first adam before the conversion , and his state after conversion , and what conversion is . also a testimony of the seed of god . also a testimony that the way of life & the way of death is set before every man : also a testimony to all kings , and princes , and people , that we are not enemies against , but friends unto all civil government , and wholsom laws and customs of any commonwealth which is according to god , &c also a testimony what government we declare our selves to be enemies against . also a testimony that we do not disanul and make void the covenant or bond of relations , &c. also a testimony that we do maintain and hold the very same truth as all the generations of the iust did in all ages . also a testimony of our government , and a testimony of quaking and trembling . also a declaration of the full purpose of our hearts , &c. a standard lifted up , and an ensign held forth , to all nations . in the name and power of the eternall god that made heaven and earth , and all things therein ; who is the life of all things , and the power by which they stand in his counsell and fear . i do hereby declare my self unto the whole world , and unto all people upon earth , that ye may all know the very certainty of those things , which is reported abroad through many nations , and that ye may be informed truly concerning us , from our own mouth of many things which cometh to you by false reports and lying informations , concerning a people appear'd in these late years and raised up , going under the name of qvakers . know ye assuredly that we are of god , and are raised up by him and called by his name , and his dreadful presence goes before us , and his righteousness is our reward . we are such as doth fear and worship the true god that made heaven and earth in the spirit and in the truth , he hath placed his name amongst us , and made his everlasting covenant with us , and established it that it cannot be moved , he hath given us his spirit and poured it upon us , and we are taught of him according to his promise , and are established in his holy mountain , where none can make us afraid , for he hath armed us with his power and strength to defend us from all our enemies , that we should bear witnesse of his name in all the world , and declare unto all nations , of his power and dominion , of his salvation and redemption , that is in him and in his son ; of which we are made partakers and witnesses , and by him have we received the heirship of the everlasting inheritance , and we are of god ; and he that is of god heareth us , whom the father hath chosen and redeemed out of kindreds , tongues and peoples , to stand before the throne of god and the lamb , and we have sought , and do find a city , whose builder and maker is god , and we are known to the lord god almighty , and approved in his sight : our light is the light of the lamb , and our government the government of jesus , and our law the law of the most high , and our way is the way of peace and truth , he that can receive it let him . this is the testimony which the spirit of the everlasting father witnesseth in us , and witnesseth of us unto the whole world , chap. i. concerning the true god , this testimony i give to all people upon earth . the true god he is a spirit , and is infinite , eternall , and everlasting , the creator of all things , and the life and being of all things , and the power by which all things stand , all creatures have a being in him , and by him , and without him no creature is , or doth move upon the face of the earth ; this is he whom we worship and fear , and doth obey , and he brings to pass by his counsel whatsoever he will and nothing can prevent the purpose of his mind , but his counsell stands for ever and he is the righteous judge of all things , and before him must all mankind come to judgment , and the living and the dead by him must be judged , he is a rewarder of every one according to their deeds , whether they be good or whether they be evill : his greatnesse , power , majesty and dominion is over all , and beyond all , ruling above all in the power of his own will , and who may say what doth he : his eye seeth all , and his presence filleth all , and no creature can be hid from his sight ; he is near at hand , and afar off , he searcheth mans heart , and tryeth the reins , and shews unto man his own thoughts , he justifieth the righteous , and condemneth the wicked , he is light it self , and in him is no darknesse at all : this is the true god whom we worship , and this testimony i give of him unto all people upon the face of the whole earth . chap. ii. concerning the son of god , this testimony i give unto all the world . the son of god , who is called christ the prince of peace and righteousness , he is one with the father in power and dominion , and was with him before the world was , and by him the father created all things , and without him was not any thing made that was made , he is heir of all things , and is the prince of the kingdom of righteousness , of peace and truth , and he is the word and power by which all things doth subsist , and is the salvation of mankind , and the very life of the word , he inherits life and immortality , and is the redeemer , saviour , deliverer and restorer of the children of men , he is the very wisdom and power of the creator , and the father doth nothing without the son , and by him and through him the father brings all things to pass , by him the father will judge the whole earth , and all the children of adam therein ; and this christ jesus the son of god , is the life and light of the world , and hath enlightened all mankind , every one that cometh into the world is lighted by him with the true light of life or condemnation , and what the same doth , the father doth also , and he is at his right hand exalted , and is the very express image of the father , and is the fathers gift into the world , and is given to all mankind , that they may have life by him , and all that receives him hath life and salvation , but many receives him not , and they that receive him not perisheth , even because they do not receive him whom the father hath given into the world , for he is the arm alone of gods salvation , and he is the leader of his people . chap. iii. concerning the spirit of god , this testimony i give unto the whole world . the spirit is with the father , and with the sonne , and is present every where , and filleth all places , and is for ever and ever , and trieth all things , and revealeth the things of the father and of the sonne unto all that doth believe in the sonne , and makes manifest , add searcheth into the deep things of god , and it witnesseth the salvation of the just , and the condemnation of the unjust , it is not absent from any place , nor contained in any one place , the father and the son works all things through it , and brings all things in heaven and earth to pass by it , and it works in the hearts of the children of men , and in every one it witnesseth of the father and of the sonne , to the justness , greatness , righteousness , and to the power of the eternal creator that made all things by the sonne through his eternal spirit , which is one with the father and with the sonne , and is the worker of their will and mind in all things , it worketh in the wicked to reprove them , and to witness against them , and that god is angry with them it sheweth ; and it worketh in the righteous , and witnesseth , the love , and mercy , and peace of the father unto them , he that can receive it let him , this is the testimony of the spirit of god , and it leadeth into all truth , and out of all evill , all that are guided by it , and it is given to be the guide and rule of life to the children of god . chap. iv. concerning man and all mankind , this testimony i give unto all nations and peoples . man was created and brought forth in the image of god , and was without sin or evil brought forth to do the will of him that created him , and was lord over all creatures to use them to the glory of the creator , and all creatures was to serve him , but man transgresseth against his maker , and offended him , and dishonoured him , and became degenerate and grieved his maker continually , and was drove out from the presence of the lord , and he is now a child of disobedience and of wrath , and an enemy in his mind against the lord that made him , and he is doing and fulfilling daily the will of the devill , and grieveth the spirit of god , and vexeth his righteous soul , and is subject unto the curse of woe and destruction , being ignorant of the life and power and wisdome of the creator , to lead him , to guide him , and to preserve him , but follows the counsell of his own heart which is evill altogether , though he was made upright , yet hath he sought out many inventions , which are continually abominable unto the lord , the ground in which he stands is corrupted , and all his fruit is unpleasant , even bitter and evill unto the lords tast . man is fallen into the pit of misery and sorrow , compassed about with desolation , and is left without a helper from himself , or from any other creature , and this in short is the state of all mankind upon the face of the earth , who was planted a noble vine , wholly a right seed to bring forth good fruit unto his maker ; but he is turned into a degenerate plant , bringing forth cursed fruits which the creator hath not pleasure in his best works are not accepted , and his evill deeds are condemned , because the ground in which he stands is accursed because of disobedience . chap. v. concerning the world in generall , and the state of things as they have been , and as now they are , this testimony i give to the whole world . darkness hath been over the face of the earth , and thick darkness hath covered the people for many ages , the beast hath reigned upon the face of the whole earth , and all nations have been subject to his power and dominion , even the kings and princes of the earth have given their power unto him , all the world hath wondred after him as t is written , and the whole world hath worshipped the beast and his image , he hath power to kill all that would not worship him , both small and great , rich and poor , even all hath been subject to his government , and he hath had power to warre against the saints , and to make war with them , and to overcome them , even all that would not worship him , he hath had power to kill ; the rule and government of the son of god hath not been witnessed among men for ages , nor the true god known , nor manifestly worshipped in spirit and truth , but he hath been as a stranger among men , and they have been ignorant of his waies and judgements , and all people have been doing that which is right in the sight of their own eyes and god hath been forgotten daies without number , the living fountain hath been forsaken , and many broken cisterns have been hewen out , which hath not holden pure water : great evills and continuall abominations have been acted in the sight of god , and the measure of iniquity hath been fulfilling through many generations , and it is grown nigh to the full , the law of god hath been made void , and his grace hath turned into wantonnesse , and all things have been out of good order : kings , princes , rulers , governments , laws , and decrees have been corrupt , and not right in the sight of the lord , oppressions , tyranny and vain-glory hath abounded in the nations , and justice and true judgement have been neglected , and mercy and truth have been strangers , and the world hath been filled with violence , and the whole earth stained and polluted with oppressions , unjustice , and cruelties , and the cry of poor hath not been heard , every one hath sought themselves and not the lord , not the good one of another , the kings and princes of the earth have not been perfect nor upright before the lord , but vain-glory hath abounded , and superstitions and idolatries have reigned over them , and unrighteousnesse hath abounded , and self-seeking , and they have risen up one against another in quarrelling and destroying one another , and to gain one anothers dominions by craft and policy , and strong hand , and the poor hath been oppressed and troden down , and thousands of thousands destroyed to fulfill their wills and lusts , and the pride of their hearts , all this hath been evill in the sight of the lord , and his soul hath been weary with it , by the destruction of his creatures , one by another , even rulers , teachers , and people have all been out of the way , and subverted from that wherein god hath pleasure , and the prince of darknesse hath ruled in his dominion , swaying all under his government , and even all things both of civill and spirituall concernment hath been on t of the counsell of the lord . oh what cruel injustice and tyranny in civill government , oh what abominable superstitions and idolatries hath been in ( supposed ) church-governments , it s a vexation to the spirit of the lord to consider it , and the righteous soul hath long cried out and mourned under it , and because of this is the lord of heaven and earth now arisen to overturn , to overturn kings and princes , governments and laws , and he will confound and break down all tyranny and oppression under which the poor hath groaned , and he will change times , and laws , and governments , there shall be no king ruling but jesus , nor no government of force but the government of the lamb , nor no law of effect but the law of god , all that which is otherwise shall be ground to powder , the kingdom of the most high shall rule amongst men , and the kingdoms of this world shall be changed , and shal become the kingdoms of the lord and of his christ , and the lord shall be known in the earth to be the god of truth , of righteousness ; justice , and mercy , and truth shall be exalted , and true judgement shall be set up in the nations , and the worship in spirit and in truth shall be established , for the lord is gathering his numberlesse number to stand before his throne without guile in their mouth , and without fault before him . chap. vi . concerning mans restauration , redemption and salvation , what they are , and by whom they are wrought , this testimony i give unto all people . mans restauration is a repairing and giving again that which he hath lost by transgression , and redemption is a recovering and a winning again , and setting free from that wherein man hath been held ( even all the sonnes of adam ) because of disobedience , and salvation is a saving , keeping , and preserving from sin , and death , and disobedience , and all the waies thereof , and also a saving from wrath and misery and condemnation , which are the effects thereof , and by the son of god christ jesus is all this wrought , manifested and witnessed , and restauration , redemption and salvation is onely in christ jesus the second adam , and not in any other , and it is wrought by him and by no other , and they are the free gift of the father unto the sons of men , no way purchased by the works of the creature , or desert of him , but are freely given unto the creature through the power and wisdom of the creator , and only by jesus christ the son of the eternal god , and by the eternal spirit are they witnessed in all that believe , and through the word of life are they handled , tasted , seen and felt , near at hand in power and not in words onely . many professes them in words and what others enjoyed of these things , but hath not felt in themselves , the working of the eternall spirit , neither hath the witnesse in themselves of being restored to god again , and of being redeemed by him from under the devils power , neither are saved by christ from sin and transgression , and so are not , nor cannot be saved from condemnation and wrath , for who abide in their sins and in the state unreconciled to god , hath not any part or portion in these things which belongs to their peace , and without the knowledge of which by the working of the eternall spirit , all mankind is everlastingly miserable . chap. vii . concerning true religion , and the true worship of the true god , this testimony i give unto the whole world . this is true religion to be kept pure and clean from all evil and from all that which would defile in the sight of the lord , and to walk in his fear in all things , this is religion , to do good and to do no evill , and to speak the truth , and to do the truth in all things , and to do unto all men as a man would be done unto , and to love god withal the heart , and the neighbour as self ; and not to love the world , and waies , and pleasures of it , nor to use deceit in words or actions , this is true religion , and the true worship of god , to be led with his spirit in all things , and to be guided in the truth at all times on all occasions ; this is acceptable and well pleasing unto god above all words , and outward conformity , and set times , and daies , and observances ; for the worship of god is not in these things , but is without respect of daies , places or things ; this religion and worship stands in christ jesus the second adam , who hath lighted every man that comes into the world , that all men through him might believe , and by him have their consciences purely exercised towards god , and towards man in all things whatsoever , and this is our religion and worship of the true god : he that can receive it , let him . chap. viii . concerning iustification and sanctification , this testimony i give unto all people . justification is freely by jesus christ in the sight of the father , and not by the works of mans own righteousness , and such as are taught by christ , and guided by him in all the waies of truth and righteousness , are justified by him , and none else , not in any word or work whatsoever , but in what they are led to fulfill by him , and it is the new man that is justified and not the old , he that is born of god , and none that are born of the flesh , such cannot please god , neither can such be justified by him , for they are not taught of him , nor saved , nor restored , nor redeemed , and therefore are not justified nor cleared from condemnation in the sight of the lord , but who lives in iniquity , and sin , and the waies and works of the world , which are evill , by christ jesus are condemned and not justified , though in words they professe him , yet of justification by him they have no part , and sanctification is by the working of the eternall spirit in the heart of the creature , which purgeth out and taketh away all unrighteousness , and all the works and fruits of darkness : it witnesseth against , and witnesseth unto jesus , who takes away all sin , and destroies the works of the devill , that man may be holy and pure in the sight of his maker ; and every one that hath the witness of his justification hath the operation by the eternall spirit of sanctification , and all that receives christ jesus , who hath lighted every man that cometh into the world , receiveth sanctification and justification by him , and he unto us is made so of the father , he that can receive it let him , chap. ix . concerning the kingdom of christ , and how it is to be set up , this testimony i give unto all the world . the kingdom of god and of his son , is not of this world , but is from above and stands in righteousnesse and in truth , in mercy and in peace , in true judgement and justice , and this dominion is from everlasting to everlasting , and it reacheth beyond all the world , and its government is love and unity , and everlasting peace , and is perfect liberty to the just and bindeth and chaineth the unjust ; in it there is no oppression but perfect freedom from all unrighteousnesse , and it consists not in word , but in power , to the bringing down of the kingdome of the devill , and to the breaking off the bonds of all injustice , and all ungodlinesse which is the kingdom of satan , which hath long ruled in the world , that kingdom whereof christ is king , which stands in righteousnesse , no unclean thing can have any part therein , and this we believe it shall be set up and advanced in the earth , but not by might of man or arm of flesh , not the multitude of an host , neither by policy , nor craft , nor by revenge , but by the arm of the lord alone , through the suffering and patience of his people , and by faithfull witness bearing unto jesus christ by doing and by suffering , by doing his will in all things in a pure life and conversation , and upright walking in the sight of the lord , and by patient suffering under the injustice and oppression of men , and of their unjust government and laws , till they be overturned and confounded ; and further we give testimony , that suffering in patience under the cruelty and oppression of the devils government and kingdom ; more reaches to overthrow them than the rising to rebel in any way of outward offence toward them , or defence from them , and the kingdom of christ is near to come , and the kingdoms of this world shall be changed , and none shall have any part therein but they that are redeemed out of kindreds , tongues , and people : this we believe , he that can receive it let him . chap. x. concerning governours , and governments , and subjection to this testimony i give to the world . governours , rulers , and magistrates we own , and do respect in the lord ; ( and yet cannot respect any mans person whatsoever ) such as be a terrour to all evill in their government , and that fears god and hates covetousnesse , and delights in equity , in justice , and true judgement , and gives diligent heed to try the cause of the poor , and will judge justly without respect of men , who justifies the good and gives praise to the well-doer , such government and governours we reverence , where sinne and iniquity is kept under , drunkenness , swearing , murther , quarrelling , and all the waies and works of the flesh are terrified , and a well-doer praised and justified , this government of men , reaches to the witnesse of god in every man , and that answers to the justice and righteousnesse of all such governours and government , and these witnesse that they are of god , but the witnesse of god in every man , beareth witness against all unjust men , and laws , and rulers , and governments , which strengtheneth the hands of the wicked , and oppresseth the just , where the making and execution of laws are in the power of proud men , and covetous men , who fears not god , neither hates covetousnesse , neither doth respect the cause of the poor ▪ but rules by their wills and tyranny , and not by just laws in righteousnesse ; but makes unrighteous decrees to oppresse the poor and innocent , letting the wicked go free , such who upholds unrighteous worships , and teachers by oppression , and cause the innocent to suffer , and makes them offenders , because the exercise of a pure conscience towards god and men ; such rulers and government we cannot be subject to for conscience sake , but doth rather fulfill the law and will of god , though we transgresse their wills and unrighteous laws , and yet doth not rebell against them , nor seek defence from them , but patiently suffers under them , and bears their injustice and cruelty without seeking any revenge , but leaves vengeance to the lord to whom it belongs , and this is our judgment in ful , the government and laws which we cannot obey nor fulfil for conscience sake , we chuse rather to suffer under them for disobedience to them , than to transgresse the righteous law of god , written in our hearts by obeying them ; so that what we cannot obey for conscience sake , for conscience sake we resist not , but suffers under that ( the punishment of it ) patiently , and herein are we subject to every ordinance of man , for conscience sake : in fulfilling of the good , the just , and righteous , and in patience suffering under the cruelty and oppression of the unjust and unrighteous , and this we do and teach every where , subjection to every ordinance of man , and are not destroyers of true government , not rebellious against just governours , but are exalters of true justice and judgement in the earth . chap. xi . concerning the true ministry of christ and the false ministry , and the difference betwixt them , this testimony i give unto all the world . the true ministry is sent of god , and is the gift of the holy ghost , and it stands in the power of the spirit of god , and not in the words of mans wisdom , of that wisdom which is from below , and it brings people to the knowledge of god , which is life eternall , and it turns people from darknesse to light , and from the power of satan to the power of god , it is freely received of god , and freely given forth of us , it proclaims peace on earth , unto such as are of a broken and upright heart , and it proclaims warre against all the wicked upon earth , it is a good savour unto god in setting the way of life , and the way of death , before all people , the ministry of christ is free , and cannot be bought nor sold for money , it is without hire and gifts , and rewards from any man , which is given freely into the world , and it ever was and is persecuted by the generation of the unjust , and by the powers of the earth , he that comes in the fathers name cannot be received of the world , but the world is at enmity against it , in this generation as ever was , it converts people unto the knowledge of god , and many did and many doth receive the knowledge of god thereby though some thereby be hardened against god unto destruction , and the word of the lord , and the ministry returns not in vain unto god , but all by it are left without excuse , the witnesse of christ in every creature being reached to , which gives testimony to the power and to the truth of the ministry of christ , but the false ministers and ministry are not such ; for their ministry is received by naturall learning and arts ▪ and is not the gift of the holy ghost , but stands in the wisdom of mans words , and not in the power and life of god , it profits not the people at all , neither doth any come to the knowledge of god thereby , neither is turned from darknesse to light ; but teachers and people continues in the power of satan , and in the unconverted estate , the witnesse of god not reached to , to bring to the understanding of things which are eternall , but people are ever learning by it , and never coming to the knowledge of the truth ; but the blind leads the blind , and like teachers like people , all out of the way , given to iniquity and unrighteousness , and such are they who preaches for hire , and divines for money , and seeks for their gain from their quarter , and through covetousnesse by feigned words , makes merchandize of souls , going for gifts and rewards , and reaching for filthy lucre , having setled places and so much a year , these are not the true ministers of christ , but false ministers of antichrist and deceivers , and was never sent of god , and do never bring any to the knowledge of god , and such we bear witnesse against to be of the devil , and that for many generations the world hath been deceived by them who hath had the form of godlinesse , but not the power , and christs words and the apostles words without the life , and they have served themselves and not the lord jesus , but now they are made manifest with the true light which approveth the ministry of god , and disapprove such who are ministers of antichrist , and all that are in the light , and walks in the light can receive this testimony which is given by the spirit of god , to that ministry which is sent of him , which doth fulfill his will , and against the false ministry which is not of god , which runs and was never sent of him . chap. xii . concerning the gospel of christ , this is my testimony unto all the world . the gospell is the power of god , and it is sent of him into the world to reconcile people unto him , that have been in the enmity against him , it is peace to the poor in spirit , and judgement to the fat , and to the high minded , and it is to be preached to every creature ( male and female ) under heaven without respect of peoples , nations , or generations , it is the manifestation of the love of god to the whole world , togather people out of all unrighteousnesse into the living way of life , peace and truth , to walk with god in purity and holinesse , and to deny the world and all its waies , and works , and worships which are evill , and by it some are brought to god , and to salvation , and life eternal , and some through it are hardened against god , that they may be destroyed and condemned , who are reprobates and believes not in him from whom the gospell comes , and it cannot be received by any other way or means , than by the revelation of jesus christ in the hearts of his people , and many have the letter which knows not the gospell , nor hath received it , and this gospell which is everlasting , have we received from god , and this is the sound of it which we give in the world unto the world : fear god and give glory to him for the hour of his judgements is come , and this is the everlasting gospell of salvation , he that can receive it let him , chap. xiii . concerning the word of god , and concerning the scriptures , this testimony i give unto all the world . the word of god was in the beginning before any creatures were made , and by it all things stand and remain unto this day , and the world endures for ever , and by it all things in heaven and in earth are brought to pass which god doth , and it is from everlasting to everlasting , without beginning and without end , and the word is powerfull dividing and discerning all things , even the secret thoughts of every mans heart , it is a two-edged sword , and as a fire , and like a hammer to cut up , to burn , and to beat down , the word of the lord reconciles man again to him , and this word is in the mouth , in the heart , and the servants of the lord handled , tasted , saw and felt the word of life , and from it spoke sorth the scriptures , as they were moved by the holy ghost through the eternall spirit , and it is a declaration of the word of life , which was in the beginning , and endures for ever , and it declares what the saints received , believed , and enjoyed , and none can understand it without the same spirit that gave it forth , and to such who have the same spirit the scripture is profitable , the word of god which was in the beginning , and which endures for ever , is not the scripture which was not in the beginning , neither can it endure for ever , but the scripture testifies of that word , and that word witnesseth to the scripture , and they are not contrary one to the other , but gives witnesse each of other , but many hath the scripture that hath not the word , neither knows it , but they that have the word cannot but own the scriptures , and this the truth as it is in jesus testified to all the world by us , who doth deny them that hereof gives any other testimony . chap. xiv . concerning the devill and damnation , this testimony i give to all people . there is a devill which is out of the truth , who abode not in the truth but is a lyar from the beginning , and the father of all evill and evill doing , and the author of all unrighteousness , and whatsoever is contrary to god in thought word , and action , he is the enmity against god and against all good , and by his power subverts creatures and things to another end than wherefore they were created , even to the dishonour of the creator , he is the god of this world , the prince of darknesse , and he rules king in all the children of the first adam , who are in evill : he was the cause of the first transgression , and is the cause of disobedience to god to this day in all people , who are led by him , moving all them to envy , wrath , pride , whoredom , drunkenness , theft , and murther , and all the works of darkness , sin , and death , he is the fountain and root of all these , and the leader and ruler in the exercise of them , and of every evill word and work whatsoever which are contrary to god , he abode not in the truth , and he hath led all mankind out of truth into all deceit and unrighteousnesse , and into every evill way , and he dwells in darkness , and inhabits in thick darkness , and is out of the light , and is separate from the presence of god for ever bound in chains of darkness and ignorance , and unbelief and he hath power in the earthly part of man , and a law in the members , and he possesses him that is born of the flesh , & his covenant is with him who is not born of the seed of god , who cannot sin , such are in covenant with god , and renewed into his image , but such as are not , hath the devill power in to captivate and lead their minds into vanity , and their affections and desires into all that which is evill , by which the spirit of god the creator of all things is grieved and his soul vexed , and all murther and deceitfull works of the world ; and all whatsoever is contrary to god in words , thoughts , or actions , is of the devill that wicked one , and from him and all that follow his movings , and worketh evill thereby , they serve him and obey him , he is their god and their king , and they are his people , and his subjects , he is their father , and they are his children , he is their root , and they are his off-sprign , and brings forth fruit unto him , and serves and worships him , and not the true god that made all things , and all such must be cast into utter darknesse with him , and shall have their portion with him in the bottemlesse pit of darknesse for ever and ever , where there is no end of woe , and sorrow , and misery , for in the anger of god there the worm dies nor , nor the fire is not quenched , and out of that there is no redemption for the unclean ; and all such who are led of him , who is out of the truth and in evill , are judged , and condemned , and damned by him , who is the truth , who judgeth righteously ; and as he hath not ceased to work evill , and to draw the children of men into evill , for he continually tempteth to lead from god into rebellion against him . and they that are led by him are destroyed , and he shall not cease to sorrow , woe , and misery for ever , as he hath not ceased to work evill , he liveth and moveth in the anger of god his beginning was in it , and all his works are in it , and it shall be the reward of him , and all that obey him in the separation from gods everlasting presence , for ever and ever . chap. xv . concerning all creatures that god made , this testimony i give unto all the world . all creatures that god made in their creation and beginning was very good in his sight that made them , and unto man that was to use them , and no creature was evill or defiled in its creation , but mankind transgressing against his maker , he became evill , and did evill in the sight of the lord , and he being possessed with evill and corrupted , he makes all creatures evill in his exercise of them , and he corrupts them and perverts them to another end than wherefore they were created , and by the creatures , dishonours the creator , who should have honoured him by them , and they are become a curse unto man and not a blessing , though in themselves are neither cursed , nor evill , nor defiled , but is become so unto man , because of his transgression and disobedience ; for he being in the curse and defiled , all things are so unto him , and in his exercise of them he is wicked , abusing them upon the lust to satisfie his devillish mind , and ruling over them in oppression and cruelty , and hard heartedness , and not in the wisdom of god as he ought , and he subverts them out from their pure vertue , feeding his lust in pride and voluptuousness , with that which should keep him from hunger and nakednesse , and so pleasing the lust in all things more than satisfying pure nature , and this ought not to be , for it is out of the covenant of god , in which all creatures was made , and in which they stand , except the creature man , who is degenerated out of gods covenant , and subverts all things to his own end , and not unto the glory of god , while he continues in that state unreconciled to god , but man being restored , and redeemed , and renewed again into covenant with god , through the condemning of the evill , then all creatures to him are restored , and made blessed , the curse being removed out of his own heart , the creatures are no longer cursed to him , but good and decent , and enjoyed , and received in the covenant of god in the life and vertue by which they were created , and by the wisdom which they were made , man comes to order them , and exercise himself in them , and no more are they spent upon the lust , nor on the vain mind , nor ruled over in oppression , but all that is condemned , and all creatures are seen to be the lords , and the whole earth is his and the fulnesse thereof , and the abuse of all creatures is ceased , and they are enjoyed in their pure vertue to feed and to cloth the creature , and not to be destroyed upon the lust , but for the healths-sake are they used to the glory of the creator , and unto the end wherefore he created them , and are pure as they were in the beginning ; and the blessing is felt which is more than all creatures . chap. xvi . concerning the new covenant , and how man comes to the knowledge of god , this testimony i give . the covenant of god is unity betwixt god and man , and a binding each to other to serve each other , the one is bound to obey , and submit , and worship ; and the other to blesse , and keep , and lead , and preserve ; this covenant is established with his own seed for ever , and there is no teacher but god , all is taught of him , from the least to the greatest , who are in this covenant , his just law is written in their heart to condemn all transgression , and his pure spirit is put into the inward parts , to be the rule and guide of life in all things , and none need to say know the lord , but all knows him in the spirit , and worships him , and obeys him , and follows him in spirit , and in truth , and such are come into peace and reconciliation and god ▪ and the covenant with hell and death is broken : and in this covenant , there is no priest nor offering but christ jesus the high priest of god , the one offering for sinne , he takes away sin and makes intercession , and in it is no temple , but our bodies are the temple of god , and he dwells in us , and walks in us , and there is no circumcision but the circumcision of the heart , which is the putting away of all the uncleanness of the flesh , nor in it there is no means of salvation ▪ but christ the onely way the truth and the life , and none comes to the father but by him , he declares of the father and there is no light but the light of the lamb , all that are saved shall walk in the light of the lamb , and there shall be no need of any other light , no need of the light of the sun , nor of the moon , nor of a candle , but the lord is unto them an everlasting light , and god alone is their glory , and this covenant is for ever , and cannot alter nor change , but is sure unto the seed of his own inheritance , but he that is born of the flesh hath no part in it , who is shut out from the knowledge of god , who is not known to the wisdom of this world , which is foolishnesse with god ; and the knowledge of god is received no other way but only by the revelation of jesus christ , and by the working of the spirit of the father in the heart , he opens the blind eye , and unstops the deaf ear , and changeth the heart , and causeth it to understand , and he removes that which hath stood in the way betwixt god and the creature , which hath caused ignorance in the creature , that the lord could not be seen nor perceived . christ jesus the second adam lighteth every man and all mankind that cometh into the world with the true light , but some hates the light , and they will not come to the light , least their deeds should be reproved , and their deeds are evill , and they are in a condemned estate , and such cannot receive christ nor the knowledge of god , but such who love the light with which christ hath enlightened them , they bring all their deeds to the light , and walks in the light , and their deeds are wrought in god never to be condemned , and such as loves the light receives christ and the knowledge of god , which is eternall life , and none comes to the knowledge of god , and of christ any other way but through the light of christ , and by the operation of the spirit of god , and evill is condemned out of the heart , and the heart is made clean by the word of god , and the knowledge of god is received into the clean heart , and nor into the impure , for without holinesse none shall see god ; nor ever come to the knowledge of him , neither can the knowledge of god be received by the traditions of men or any outward observance in the will of man , but only by the teachings of the eternal spirit , is the living god known in the creature . chap. xvii . concerning faith , this testimony i give unto the world . faith is the gift of god , and by it christ is received and enjoyed ; it is the substance of things hoped for , and the very evidence of things not seen , gives the creature to believe god in all what he hath promised , all that which is acted and spoken in it , is well pleasing unto god , and that which is done without sinne ; it is the strength of the creature to act for god , in all things it is that whereby the world is overcome , and all the powers of hell and death , it is the armour against the devill , and the defence of all the children of god , by it they overcome all their enemies , and through it they reign over all the world , it carries through all sufferings and tribulations with joy and patience : faith is an act of god in the creature , through it peace and righteousnesse and the crown of life is received from god , by faith all things are received that are received of god by any of his children : he that hath faith sees and feels the lords presence at all times , and through faith we do and suffer gladly for the name of christ in all things , and this is thus far our testimony given by the spirit of the father , of these things of which we have received the knowledge from god , who hath given us his treasure , and we have this treasure in earthen vessells , even the knowledge of these things which are eternall , which is not our own , but the lords to give forth according to his movings , and of those rhings have we handled , tasted and felt . chap. xviii . concerning what works are accepted of god , and what works are not accepted brought forth by the creature . whatsoever work man is moved and led unto by the spirit of god , and guided and ruled in the practice of , to speak or act whatsoever by the same spirit ( which moveth and leadeth into all the works of righteousnesse , and not into any evill ) this is acceptable in the sight of the lord , and these works are well pleasing to him : where the lord goes before , and is the leader in all things , and this man and his works who is led with the spirit of the father is justified and accepted of god , and not for the creatures sake , who respects not the person of any but for his own name sake , because they are wrought in him through faith , and is moved unto , and guided in by his own spirit , and they arise from gods righteousness revealed in the creature , and not from the righteousness of the creature , for man being changed and replanted into the living vine , and the root being good , every work which springeth forth from it is good also , and accepted of god , because the root is so : but whatsoever works are brought forth by any creature , though the same in appearance which are accepted of god from another , yet not being moved unto , nor guided in by the spirit of the father , but brought forth in the will and wisdom of the creature , which is from below , and acted in imitation from the saints words ; these works are not accepted and well pleasing unto god , but is offence unto him , and sin against him , even the sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination unto him , and if a man come before the lord with thousands of rams , and ten thousand of rivers of oyl , and if he give the fruit of his body for the sin of the soul , and cover the altar with tears , and is not led with a measure of gods spirit , none of all these works are accepted ; nor his preaching , praying baptism , nor breaking of bread , nor any other observances towards god whatsoever , are not good in his sight but evill , and to be contemnted , and the root from whence they spring ; because man is in the enmity against him , and not changed out of the old root , nor in that state is not led with the holy spirit of the father ; and the root being bad , the branches are evill , and none are accepted of god in any thing which they perform towards him , but such as are in christ jesus , the second adam , and such are new creatures , so that it is not for the creatures sake that any work is accepted of , or offence against god , but onely for his name sake , and because of being guided , or not of being guided with the measure of gods pure spirit : therefore is man and his works good and accepted ; or evill and not regarded , but condemned of god . chap. xix . concerning mans state in the first adam before conversion , and his state after conversion , and what conversion is . mans state in the first adam in transgression , is a state of perfect enmity against god , and death reigns in every man , and he is possessed with blindnesse and ignorance , and unbelief , and is wholly imperfect to receive the things of gods kingdom , or to act any thing for god acceptable to him ; man in that state is wholly dead to god , and insensible of the presence , and power , and life of his creator , for he is drove from god , and is not led by him , he hath no power to perform any good in the sight of god , but is possessed with evill , and led into all evill continually ; hee is free from righteousnesse , and free to all evill , being the servant of the devil , and subject to him , and overcome of him every moment , and is led by him to transgresse against the lord ; his heart is unclean , and out of it proceeds continually uncleannesse in all manner of words , thoughts , and actions , which floweth out of the corrupt fountain , which grieveth and vexeth the lord and his spirit , who is dishonoured daily by man through his abuse of gods creatures , who is a devourer and destroyer of them , and not a preserver as he ought to be , who abuseth them upon his lust , and not to the glory of the lord ; he loves the creature and worships the creature , and is gone a whoring after the creatures , and hath forgotten god that made him and all things , and hath lost his own dominion wherein hee was set in his creation , and his state in his transgression is cursed of god , and without the peace of god , it being in the enmity against him ; and in all things he is wholly unprofitable to his maker , and onely profitable to himself and to the devill , and this in short is the state of every man in transgression before conversion ; but his state after conversion is a state more blessed , for man is changed , and renewed , and translated by the power of the lord , through the working of the eternall spirit through conversion , his mind is changed , and his heart is renewed , the old is done away , and a new heart is given , and all things are become new , even every word and work , and every intent and purpose of his mind , is converted into another end , and guided by another spirit than before his conversion ; and man is again returned to god , into the sense and feeling of his maker , and into covenant with him where he is blessed , and all things to him ; for the reconciliation is made with god , and the evill is judged and condemned , and sin is taken away and blotted out , and not remembred : for man is become servant unto god , and onely serves him in all things , and not himself or any other creature in any thing , for he hath received power to become sonne to god , and hath received power over the devill and his temptations , and death is destroyed , and the effects of it are ceased , and the sting of it is taken away , and life and immortality is brought to light , and man is made capable to act in all things for the glory of his maker , and god hath made christ wisdome to him , to rule him and guide him in all things , and righteousnesse to cover him , and justification to him to clear him in his sight , and the new man is brought forth , and the creating in christ jesus unto good works is known , and the birth , which is heir of gods kingdome is witnessed , and unto this man is the lord become an everlasting light and a sure hiding place , for he is not the servant of sin but of righteousnesse , nor an offence to god in any of his works , but for his names sake is well pleased with him ; he is his teacher in all the waies of peace , he is his helmet , and his shield , and his hope of salvation , and his shepheard to feed him and preserve him at all times ; though he may be tempted , yet he is not overcome , for god is his strength , though he may be tryed , ye the is not forsaken of the lord ; though he may be cast into the fire it is not to consume him , for the lord is with him ; all things he receives as from the hand of god , & all creatures he enjoyes in the covenant with god , and peace is in all his waies , for it is the lord that works in him both to will and to do of his own good pleasure ; and this is the state of the new man brought forth in conversion , which is a turning of the creature from the power of satan ( which rules in every man before conversion , to the power of god which is the ruler of every man that is truly converted ; and this is the truth as it is in jesus , which i have received from god , he that can receive it let him , and if any have an ear let him hear what the spirit saith ; this conversion of the creature is wrought by the spirit of god through the ministry sent of him , and even for this cause have we received the ministry of god , through the holy ghost , that we might publish these things abroad , that all people may come to the knowledge of them , and may tast , and handle , and feel of the same word of life in themselves , which will reveal the knowledge of these things to them that they may have fellowship with us , and truly our fellowship is with the father and with the son . and now be it known to all the world , and to all people in it , that the lord hath raised up a people and brought forth a seed , to bear witnesse of his name , and of his dominion , and power in all the earth , and of these truths with many more , which are but one in christ jesus , hath god given us the perfect knowledge of , even wrought them in us , and revealed them to us by the eternall spirit , and as that same spirit doth , and shall move us , do we and shall wee bear witnesse of these truths unto all people upon earth whatsoever , both by doctrine and conversation , holding forth the testimony unto others which we have received of god , that christ may be exalted , and his kingdome set up in the world , and in comparison of this , that we may serve god in our generation , by bearing witnesse of these things , which we have heard and seen ; nothing of this world , our liberty , our life , nor any other thing whatsoever , is not dear unto us ; yea , even for this cause , that the name of the lord may be testified of , do we give up our selves continually to suffer all manner of evil in words or works ; and we love not our lives unto death , that truth and righteousness may be exalted , and this is the cause wherefore we passe through many dangers on every hand , and are in perills often , and we are not , nor cannot be afraid of the face of any man , even that the lord alone may be exalted , whose name , and honour , and truth is more dear unto us than any other thing ; and for it have we forsaken all , and counted it as nothing in comparison of the knowledge of christ , and his truth herein declared and witnessed to the whole world to whom it shall come , and the light of christ in every one shall give testimony to it unto which i do only commend my self and these truths to be witnessed . and know ye assuredly that god , who is just and righteous in all his wayes , it is he that setteth the way of life and the way of death before every man , and he hath appeared in this generation , and he hath caused his voice to be heard in the earth , and he hath set the way of death and the way of life before you , and all that perish it is through unbeliefe ; and because they do despise the way which god hath prepared , who hath prepared a way for life and salvation unto all people , that all may come to life and salvation , and may not perish , and he hath not shut out any creature before he was brought forth into the world , but giveth to every one that cometh into the world a day of visitation and a time of repentance and returning , that healing may be received from the lord , who is the restorer of lost man , and there is not another ; so that if man perish , it is of himself , and not of god , who hath so loved mankind , that he hath given his son , his own wisdome and his power into the world , that all that doth receive him ( christ jesus ) may have everlasting life , and they that receive him not , they perish because of unbelief , whereby they are hardened for destruction , and unto such our gospell , the gospell of god is hid , whose eye is blinded by the god of this world , that they cannot see the things which be eternall , nor believe in him from whence life comes , and such are stumbling at christ the foundation , and therefore shall be broken , and must not inherit the kingdome of god , and unto such , though they be wise in the kingdome of this world , are we become fools for christ sake , and our testimony cannot be received by them , nor approved of them , even them that seek after a signe , and them that seek after wisdome , to such we are not known , nor can our testimony be acceptable to them which is not with enticing words of mans wisdome , but in the demonstration of god spirit , and in simplicity of truth , which is of great price with the lord , even above knowledge and all wisdome , which is of this world which comes to nothing , but the lord will confound that and bring it to nothing , for the world by its wisdome doth not know god , neither can it receive the things of god , but is foolishnesse in the sight of god , and the wisdome of the world must be offended in him , and in the testimony which is given of him , and the princes of this world , and the wise men must stumble and fall , the powers of the earth must be offended at him , that they may be confounded and brought to nought , all the heathen shall rage , and the people shall imagine a vain thing : but what of all this , the testimony of the lord is true which he hath given us to bear of his name , and of it we are not ashamed before the face of the whole world , and we are armed to suffer for it , and not only to subscribe to the truth of it with our hand , or to declare of it with our tongue and pen , but also if we be called to it , may seal it with our blood : wherefore this is sent among you all , rulers , teachers and people in all the world ; this is sent among : you as to give you the certain knowledge of what we hold and bear witnesse to , which is received of us from god , and born witnesse of to you by his spirit , even those things with many others which we have not received from man but from god , are we purposed in the lord to declare abroad , and he hath put it into our hearts to fulfill his will herein ; for he hath spoken , who can but prophesie , and he hath given the word , and many are they that publish it in faithfulnesse against the kingdome of the man of sin , which hath long been exalted in the earth over the seed of god , which the lord is now a gathering and establishing his covenant with , an ierusalem that hath long lain wast , shall be made the praise of the whole earth , and the gentiles which hath polluted her shall be cast out , and the saints shall rejoyce over all their enemies . and know you assuredly from us , who know the lord , that god is doing great things in the earth , he is begun to work and his arm shall bring it to passe , he will overturn and overturn , till he come to reign whose right it is , who will change times and things , even that which cannot be believed , though a man declare it unto you , is the lord bringing to passe ; the eye shall blesse that sees it , and the heart shall praise that can understand , and behold the lord comes quickly , and they are blessed that waits for him , whose reward is with him , and his glorious work is before him to be wrought by his own hand without the help of any other ; who needs not the help of man , and yet that man that doth oppose him , shall be overthrown , confounded and destroyed , and again : all the kings , princes , rulers , and people whatsoever , know ye assuredly that we are not enemies against , but friends unto all civill government , and to all just and righteous orders and decrees , and wholsome law and customs of any common-wealth , and no way are we destructive to , or destroyers of the peace , and welfare , and wholsome laws ( which is according to god ) of any nation whatsoever . but are preservers of the peace of all people , and waits in patience for the establishment of justice and true judgement , and that righteousnesse may spring forth , and the government of all nations may be according to the law of god . neither are we such who makes void the just government of any nation or city ; neither are we such who through evill purposes , plotteth , or conspireth , or contriveth evill in our hearts against any governours or government whatsoever ; but wisheth peace and truth , and the fear of the lord unto all men and nations , and desireth not the overthrow or evill to any people , or their government : but is subject to just government every where by obedience to it , and subject to evill government by suffering in patience under it ; so that righteousnesse alone we wait to see set up through the world , and for that cause suffereth patiently under our enemies , not seeking revenge against them , nor envying the persons of any ; but pitties our enemies , and desireth their repentance rather than their destruction : yet this we give all to know , that the lord will be avenged on all them who hates the way of righteousnesse , and all that opposeth the lord and his way , and despiseth his truth which he hath revealed , they shall be confounded and broken to pieces , and shall confesse to the lord , and his way , and his truth in the day of their destruction . again , let all the earth know , that against all unrighteousnesse , injustice , oppression , whoredom , murder and drunkennesse , and all sin whatsoever , we do declare and acknowledge our selves to be enemies against all sin , and they that commit it , and we cannot hide sin and iniquity in any , but gives our testimony against it , and against all that live in it whatsoever , without respect to men or places , and cannot flatter any man in his transgressions , but saith , that lying , swearing , drunkenness , covetousness , injustice , dissimulation , hypocrisie , murder , and envy , lust of the flesh , pride and wantonnesse , and all the works of the flesh whatsoever , are contrary to god , and of the devill , and they that lives in them , and brings them forth , are the servants of the devill , and must not inherit that kingdome of god , who brings forth those works which grieves the spirit of god , and vexes his righteous soul , and this is that government onely which is the government of sin and death , which we declare our selves enemies to , which is of the devill and not of god ; and this is that government which we testifie against , and warrs against by the sword of the spirit of god , and by his power , and not by the carnall weapons or subtill conspiracies , or violent insurrections ; for this way , and by this means shall not the government of satan be overthrown , or the kingdom of christ ever exalted . again , let all the world know , that we are not such as disanuls or makes voyd the covenant and bond of relations , or teach any so to do , or give any example by our practice to any subjects to be rebellious to their governors , or children to be disobedient to their parents , or that servants be undutifull to their masters . but on the contrary , doth say and affirm it , that it is the duty of subjects to be obedient and subject in the lord to their rulers and governours , whether kings , dukes or others , who have rule over them ; and also that children should be obedient to their parents ; and servants to be dutifull and subject to their masters in the lord in all things , and that husbands and wives live in all unity and peace in the lord : provided onely , where rulers , parents , or masters , or husbands requireth of their subjects , children or servants or any other whatsoever , requiring of their relations that which is unjust and contrary to god and his righteous law ; in such a case we say , that subjects , children , servants , and all other whatsoever are free , and we say , where man requires any thing contrary to god , and god requires another thing contrary to man , the obedience to god is rather to be chosen , and the obedience to all men is to be denyed ; and this is our judgement which is according to truth , and is the mind of god concerning subjection and obedience , and the duty of relations one to another . and lastly , know ye assuredly that we do not hold and maintain any thing by conversation or doctrine , but the very same truth in word and practice , as all our fore-fathers did , but bears witnesse of the same salvation by the same christ as they did , and are not setters forth of strange gods , for no other god is worshipped by us than he , which abraham , isaac and iacob , and all the rest of the servants of the lord in every generation worshipped , served and obeyed , neither are we such as doth maintain heresie , errour , or idolatry , or the worship of any strange god , though hereof we are accused falsely , yet against us cannot it be proved truly , and this we give the whole world to know , that no other end , or purpose , or design is in our hearts , but only to fulfil the will of god in all things as it is to us made manifest . even this is the resolution of our hearts , and the full purpose of our minds . to give testimony through the world as we are moved , both by writing and declaring of these truths which to us is known from the lord , that truth and righteousnesse may come to reign , and this may we do as the lord provideth way for us , nor fearing the face of any man , nor being afraid of the threatning of high looks , and that we may finish the testimony given us of god , our life nor any other thing is dear unto us , and all ye people every where , for your sake is this written to come abroad amongst you , to give you warning and true information of the work of the lord , and what he is about to do , that you may hear and understand , and may receive the knowledge of those things which belong to your peace , and may be saved with an eternall salvation , or otherwise through this are you wholly left without excuse if you perish : and unto this was i pressed in spirit for many daies , that all the world may be satisfied , what we are , and what we hold , and what the purpose of the lord is ; and i whom god hath warned , do warn all people upon the face of the earth , that you prepare , prepare to meet the lord , for his coming and his day is nigh at hand , and his judgements shall be revealed in the earth , and all flesh shall tremble before him , and all the inhabitants of the world shall be confounded at his presence ; the proud shall be abased , and the poor shall be exalted ; the high and lofty shall be brought down , and the meek and upright shall be set up ; truth shall reign as king , and deceit shall utterly be confounded ; they that now suffer all manner of evill for the name of jesus , shall possesse everlasting freedome , and the dominion shall be in their hands , and they that now cause the just to suffer , shall go into endless captivity , the seed of god shall spring forth and flourish , but the seed of evill-doers shall never be renowned : and betwixt these two seeds is an enmity put , and they can never be reconciled , each seed hath his fruit , the one is cursed and the other is blessed , and each seed is known by its fruit , and must receive from the lord accordingly . and this is the testimony of the servants of the lord , and the witnesse which they give unto all the world of those things which we have handled , tasted , heard , seen and felt ; blessed are all they thar can receive it . we are known to god in the spirit , and one to another in his life , and are known in the world by the name of quakers , cast upon us through the derision of the heathen . but quaking and trembling at the world of the lord ; by the servants of the lord , we do own , when the power of god reacheth to the witnesse of god in the creature , which brings condemnation upon all high looks , and upon the lofty nature , which causeth the earthly part to tremble , we do own and many of us do witness , the quaking and trembling which is by the operation of the spirit of god , and the severall operations by the one spirit we own : which brings down proud flesh , whose honour god will lay in the dust , and bring it to everlasting contempt , and when this comes to pass , quaking shall not be a strange thing , nor the name reproached as it is at this day by the proud spirits of men , who knows not the work of the lord , nor the operation of his spirit . moreover and besides all this , let all the world know , that our conversation , life and practice is one and the same with what we hold forth in words , and that we give as large a testimony of god amongst us by pure conversation as doctrine , and doth deny them who gives testimony in words onely , and answers not in their conversation , for that is hypocrisie , and our souls loath it , and it is abomination in the fight of the lord , where he is profest in words , and not walked to in purity and righteousnesse of life , for righteousnesse being brought forth in the heart , works of righteousnesse will spring forth in the world , and where righteousnesse springs not forth in the world , and the fruits of the knowledge of god , it shews that righteousnesse is not in the heart , and that god is not known . also concerning our government , it is according to christ , whom we own to be head amongst us , and no other head we have or do bow unto , and we are but members of his body , joyned to him through the spirit as head over us all , and the greatest of us is but a member of christ , who is the head alone , and we have not another , neither can we be subject to any other government but his , or to obey any government but what is justly according to his , whose government must be set up in the earth , and for it we wait , and labours , and travels , and counts nothing hard , but all things are easie to us for this prise which is before us , even the government of christ to be set up , and all governments of men establisht according to it , and this is our testimony which we give forth in words and practice , and if it be required can seal it with our blood . and this is written for no other end , but that you may be certainly informed what we are , and what we hold , and what the lord hath done , and what he is about to do in all the earth , who is arisen , and hath said , ah! i will ease me of my adversaries . finis . errata . pag. 3. l. 21. for word r. world . p. 3. l. 33. for same r. son . p. 25. l. 10. for world r. word . p. 25. l. 18. r. and in the heart . the everlasting gospel of repentance and remission of sins ... by ... edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30522 of text r14681 in the english short title catalog (wing b6001). textual changes and metadata enrichments 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(eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30522) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 52865) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 861:12) the everlasting gospel of repentance and remission of sins ... by ... edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 32 p. printed for robert wilson ..., london : [1660?] reproduction of original in huntington library. eng repentance. a30522 r14681 (wing b6001). civilwar no the everlasting gospel of repentance and remission of sins; held forth and declared to the inhabitants of the earth, that they may turn and burrough, edward 1660 14804 9 0 0 0 0 0 6 b the rate of 6 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the b category of texts with fewer than 10 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 aptara keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-04 judith siefring sampled and proofread 2004-04 judith siefring text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-07 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion the everlasting gospel of repentance and remission of sins ; held forth and declared to the inhabitants of the earth , that they may turn and be converted to the living god , lest they perish in the day of vengeance , which is near at hand . and this is a message of reconciliation to all people every where in general , but more particularly to the inhabitants of ireland , and to all sorts of people therein , even to the rich , and to the poor ; to the professors , and to the prophane ; that every one may be stirred up to seek the lord by repentance . with certain propositions of faith laid down , which every one must believe , or else they cannot be saved . and certain objections answered , relating to the present dayes ; with the way of a hapyy and blessed government discovered in the kingdoms of this world , &c. by one that seeks the good of all men . edward burrough . london , printed for robert wilson , in martins le grand . the everlasting gospel of repentance and remission of sins , held forth , and declared , &c. oh ireland ! the day of gods visitation of love and tender mercy hath been upon thee , to try thee ▪ and to prove thee ; and the lord would have gathered thy people into covenant and fellowship with himself , to live in love , unity and peace , and the lord would have made thy inhabitants blessed , but they would not ; but many have refused the day of his love , and they have neglected his loving-kindness , and have chosen their own wayes of iniquity and unrighteousness , rather than the way of truth and peace ; though the lord hath often smitten , and caused his judgments to be known in the land , and suffered great destruction in dayes past , even plague , sword and famine were sore upon thee , have thy inhabitants forgotten the dealings of the lord towards thee ? are his judgments and mercies clean gone out of remembrance , which the lord shewed in thee not many years since ? and because of thy iniquities and transgressions , which were grown very great against god , he was angry with thee , and provoked against thee , and did give up thy inhabitants to hardness of heart , and cruelty of mind one against another , so that they were given up to destroy and cut off one another , and thousands of them fel through the malice & wickedness of each others hearts and hands , and cruel murders , robberies , treacheries , and a very great destruction was commited amongst thy people ; and this was because iniquity at that day was full , pride and oppression , drunkenness and whoredom , double-dealing ▪ and preachery , and all manner of unrighteousness was grown to the height , and therefore did the lord suffer a very great rebuke in the land , and by sword , plague and famine did he plead with thy inhabitanas for some years together , even that he might humble thee and correct thee , and that thy people might turn unto him , and forsake their iniquities : oh! why hast thou forgotten the dealings of the lord , running into the same abominations ! for since the lord stayed his judgments , iniquity is incre●●●● even as before ; though the lord hath given thee rest and peace for divers years , and healed thee of thy sorrows and miseries , and replenished thee with people , and this hast had peace and fulness for a good season , but yet thou hast not made a right use of these mercies as thou oughtest to have done ; though the lord hath shewed love and favour towards thee , in delivering of thee from thy former troubles and miseries , yet thou hast turned , to thy own hurt , his blessings into a curse , through thy abuse of them ; and now through rest , and peace and fulness , thy inhabitants are corrupted and become abominably sinfull , and they have loaden themselves with transgressions , and heaped up wrath against the day of wrath , even wrathful matter for the wrath of god ; and former judgments and mercies , seems to be both forgotten , many having abused them to their hurt , though the lord intended them for their good , and thy inhabitants are as before , many of them hardened in iniquity , rather than turned from it ; and they are turned into their old paths , and drinks of the same cup of abominations , and pride , and oppression , and all unrighteousness in every part of it , is grown as high as ever it was in thee : oh how doth wickedness abound ! drunkenness , wantonness , vain pleasures , envy , wrath , contention , heart-burning , covetousness and earthly-mindedness , double-dealing , false-heartedness , idolatry and hypocrisie , and all fruits of the flesh , how do they abound in thee ! even as high as ever before , as though thou hadst never felt judgment , because of thy sins , and as though thou hadst never tasted of mercy that thou shouldest live a better life ; but both judgment and mercy by-past are neglected , and the remembrance of them worn out , and thou hast said in thy heart , we love this world , its pleasures and vanities , and after our wayes will we go . oh nation and kingdom , this is thy condition , and thy present state ; thou drinkest up iniquity as an ox drinketh water , and thou addest sin to sin , as if all thou couldst do were too little , and like as if thou wert appointed for no other end , but to commit sin ; and thou hatest reproof , and despisest correction , and him that reproves thee , thou countest thy enemy ; for the whole pleasure of many of thy people is in sinning against god : and thus thou thinkest to serve him with thy sins , and requitest the lord evil for his good towards thee , and his judgments and mercies have no place in thy heart ; though yet thou hast been warned , for these divers years , that thy people should turn from their inquities and serve the living god ; repentance and forsaking of sin hath been preached thorow thee , and warning hath been given of the judgments of god that are to come : but hereof hast thou taken no notice as thou oughtest to have done , but thy inhabitants have despised the lords servants , and persecuted them , and thou hast held in derision and under great afflictions the people of the lord , and persecuted them for good conscience-sake . and this is the fulfilling of wickedness in thee , and the hight of thy inhabitants transgressions , in that they have persecuted such who have warned them , and despised the lords reproof , and would not hearken to the advice of his people , but do alwayes reject the message of gods light , which reproves people in their own consciences because of sin , that they should turn from it and be saved ; this message hath been proclaimed thorow the land , even for some years together , wherein the lord hath visited thee with his love , that he might gather thy people , and condemn their iniquities , and save their souls ; but thy people have rejected this message , and would not be turned from their idolatrous wayes and worships , nor from the hypocrisie of their ways , that they might be healed ; but thy people have forsaken the living god , and rebelled against the light , and the way of peace they have refused , and turned their backs towards the lord and not their face , and after covetousness and the love of this world they have gone ; though there hath been a great profession of worship and religion in thee , much preaching and praying , sabbath-keeping and professed church-fellowship , ministry and ordinances , and a sect here of one sort , and there another , that have cryed , lord , lord , and have made a shew of worships and duties towards him , yet notwithstanding , hypocrisie , false-heartedness , covetousness , double-mindedness , and the spirit of pride and ambition , and vain glory , have possessed the hearts of both teachers and people , in all the false sects and divers kinds of religion ; though they have had a shew , as if they were the lords people , and a pretence of worship , and conformity of church-fellowship , &c. yet their hearts have not been right before the lord ; but of these it may be said , even they have professed god with their mouths , and with their lips honoured him , and in the very time their hearts have gone after covetousness , and been far departed from the lord ; and though they have cryed , the temple of the lord , and we are the church of christ and members of him , and have gospel , and ministry , and ordinances ; yet these people have walked in pride and arrogancy , and covetousness , and their hearts have been corrupted in the sight of the most high , and all their religion hath been but as the fig-leaves , by which they have sought to cover themselves , but it cannot be ; for behold ye professors and people of ireland ! god hath beheld your hypocrisies , and the deceitfulness of your hearts , and your nakedness doth appear ; for though you have professed much of the spirit , and spiritual things , yet you have walked in the flesh , and brought forth the fruits thereof , and your garments of feigned prayers and practices , and your profession of church and ordinances , will not cover nor hide you from the wrath of the lamb . oh people of ireland , many of you have been corrupted in your hearts , and polluted in your minds , and from the highest of you to the lowest , you are sound transgressors against god , even from the professor to the porphane the lord hath found no good fruit amongst you , well-pleasing to him , but four grapes and bitter fruit have you brought forth , even fruit of a bad tast and loathsom smel unto the lord ; and now the lord hath found you out in your wickedness , and the cry of your iniquities call for vengeance ; for of you it may be said , ah nation laden with iniquity ! ah sinful people ! a seed of evil-doers , corrupted from the crown of the heal to the soal of the foot : these things are so , and they cannot be hid : but now the lords purpose is to deal with thee , because of thy sins , seeing he is provoked against this people by their iniquities , who have been disobedient to the living god ; therefore will he renew his judgments of old , and withdraw his mercies , and he will plead with the people in his justice : his judgments are at the door , and he will punish the stout-hearted , and proud and arrogant , till they learn meekness and humility ; he will correct the transgressors with his rod of heavy wrath , till they turn to him by repentance ; and all that will not bow and kiss the son , and cease from evil , and learn to do well , they shall be broken and cut off and perish in his anger , and he will never heal them ; even the feller will come upon thy people , o nation , who will hew down thy cedars , and cut up thy strong oaks ; the fanner is coming upon thee to sift thee , to preserve the good grain , and to separate the chaff into the fire ; thy strength will be made weak , and thy crown will be toden down , and thy beauty shall be marred , and all thy glory and might shall fade like a flower in that day , when the lord of hosts pleadeth with thee , and when he rewards thee for thy wickedness , then wo unto thee , and unto all the wicked and workers of iniquity , and he will cause them to remember what they have done ; thy sins , o nation , shall be set in order before thee , and thy persecution of the lords servants shall be charged to thy account , and the rod of affliction shall reach close unto thee because thereof ; and as thy rulers have done to others , so shall it be done to them , into captivity shall they go , and the spoyler shall come upon the land : for iust is the lord , and his iudgments altogether equal ; and though he be long-suffering and of great forbearance , yet he forgets not to plead with his enemies , and to plague the ungodly , nor to shew mercy to them that trust in him ; and doubtles there is a cup of wrath prepared for the wicked to drink , and it seemeth to be near , even a day of great wrath & tribulation upon sinners and transgressors , who have rejected the lord , and despised his reproofs , and would not receive the message of the light of the world , that they might be healed . wherefore , repeat , repent all sorts of people , all sinners and transgressors , tremble before the lord ye stout-hearted and rebellious children ; wo unto ye unjust rulers and judges , that have exercised unjust judgment in the land , that have judged for gifts and rewards , and that have turned aside just judgement , mercy and truth , and that have persecuted the innocent without just cause ; wo unto you that have been oppressors of the poor and needy , ye that have not judged for the lord as ye ought to have done , but have been ambitious and vain-glorious , and puffed up in the flesh by high titles and places of honour , ye that have exalted your selves above your brethren , and sought honour of men , and loved the honour of this world more than the honour of god , wo unto you ; for the day of the lords judgment is at hand , and an account of your stewardship must you give : ye that should have judged in mercy , and truth , and equity , but have perverted just judgment , and made the innocent offenders , and have not been a praise to them that do well , nor a terror to evil-doers as ye ought to have been ; wo unto you , and to the oppressing and falshearted lawyers , and that train , who have been greedy of gain , and served your own ends , and sought riches to your selves , and the cause of the poor hath not been freely pleaded by you ; wo unto all ye that have made a trade of doing judgment and justice , and have been exercised in the laws for your own ends , and not singly for the lord ; tremble ye sons of wickedness , ye that have exercised the power of antichrist and the beast , for the judgments of the lord are at hand to be executed upon you . wo unto you great and rich men , ye covetous and earthly worldlings , ye that have made your selves rich by oppression and grinding the faces of the poor ; that have got gain by hard dealing , and added land to land and field to field , and that have over-reached the ignorant , and oppressed the widows and fatherless , and that have exercised cruelty and hard dealing to your tenants and servants , and have laid heavy yoaks upon such with whom you have dealt , and that have made your selves great and rich in the earth by such means ; wo unto you , misery is coming upon you , weep and howl , ye earthly greedy covetous wretches of this world , who have sought riches more than the lord , and gotten gain by oppression and over-reaching your neighbours ; your riches so gotten shall never prosper nor be blessed to you , but shall be a curse to you , and your children and your covetousness will god plague ; ye that have gotten goods and not by right , shall leave them in the midst of your dayes : wo unto you carnal minds , all the treasures of them are corruptible , your lands , gold and silver are fading treasures ; the day of the lords judgments are at hand upon you , and the rod of his wrath will smite you , and ye shall have poverty and want instead of fulness and excess , and ye shall have leanness and barrenness , and god will plead with you in the way of have sinned against him ; the time of your visitation draws near . wo unto you merchants , traders , buyers and sellers , that have been double-dealers and double-tongu'd , and dealt deceitfully in your commodities with your neighbours ; vvo unto ye that have got gain by double-dealing , and by feigned and flattering speeches have beguiled one another , and sought to out-reach in your barganing every man his brother ! these things have ye done , o ye covetous men , ye have even robbed the poor by your craft and guileful dealing , by your smooth and flattering tongues ; and if any amongst you could not use fraud , and dissemble , such have been your prey and scorn ; and it 's your use to discommend a commodity when you buy it , and to praise it when you sell it ; and ye make a fair outside to please the eye , and ye use multitude of words and fair speeches , and deceive the simple , and get gain by oppression , craft and deceit : wo unto you , repent of this your sin ; cleanse your hearts , ye sinners ; and purifie your hearts , ye double-minded : i charge you by the lord , give over your double-dealing , and deceitfull merchandize ; cease to lye and defraud , cease your flattery and feigned words , and speak the truth every one to his neighbour , and come out of your iniquities ; use not a bad conscience any longer , for it 's a fearfull abomination against the lord ; but minde the light of christ in you , which will convince you in your consciences of your naughty and sinful wayes , and that light will exercise your consciences to do the truth , and speak the truth to your neighbour in all things , and this is blessed , and the gain that is thereby gotten , is not a curse ; for ye ought in all your wayes to reverence the lord and respect him , that he should lead you and guide you in your exercise of all earthly things : for the earth is the lords ; and the fulness thereof , and it ought to be exercised to his glory ; and there is sufficient in this creation for all people , and therefore covet not earthly things one from another , neither oppress nor over-reach one another about them ; neither treasure up earthly things , while the poor want , for if ye do , ye hide your selves from your own slesh , laying field to field till there is no place for the poor ; and wo unto such , the day of the lord will be upon you : but learn the wisdom of god , how to be ordered , and how to order all things of this creation , and be in unity and good agreement amongst your selves , and do not fall out nor strive , not contend nor envy one another about earthly things , but if ye have much , or if ye have little , be contented with what you have , and do not grind the hearts and consciences one of another to get earthly things , for they will fade and perish away ; and seek not after that which perisheth , but after that which is unto eternal life ; for the day of the lord is at hand , and his judgments upon all oppressors , double-dealers and false hearted flatterers , that are covetous of earthly things . wo unto all ye drunkards and swearers , whoremongers and prophane persons , the judgments of the lord are upon you unawares ; ye that destroy the creation upon your lusts , that are run into the excess of wine and beer , and that cover it excessively , and that drink till ye inflame your selves , and spend your time in it ; ye are like the beasts of the field , and like the swine that wallows in filthiness ; ye pervert the right use and end of the good creatures of god , and spend them upon your lusts , and have not regard unto the living god ; and one sin even begets another , drunkenness begets swearing , and prophane words , and vvhoredom , and beastly affections , and thus you adde sin to sin , and heap up one sin upon another , contrary to the light in your own consciences ; and thus ye serve the devil and satan , committing iniquity , with both hands , as it were , by drunkenness and swearing , and taking the name of the lord in vain , and cursed speaches , and falling out one with another ; and your minds are erred from the lord , and ye abuse your selves , and your own bodies , which were made for the service of god , and not for whoredom ; and ye slay your own souls by your own iniquities , and many times provoke the lord to destroy both soul and body : vvo unto you , the plagues of god are your portion , and misery your end here and hereafter ; repent of your iniquities , and turn from them , lest the lord find you in your iniquities when he comes to judgement ; for if you continue in them you can never be pardoned , but you sin unto death , and the lord will come upon you suddenly ; for ye that follow drunkenness and prophaness you live contrary to the light in your own consciences , and you sin against your knowledge , against that knowledge that god hath given you ; and this is your greatest sin , even because ye do the things which ye know ye should not do , and the light in your consciences doth shew you , that these things are evil before you do them ; but ye doing the things contrary to the light in your own consciences , this makes your crime heinous , and your sin unpardonable , if ye continue in sin and prophaness , contrary to the reproof of gods spirit in your own consciences : vvherefore ye prophane persons , cease to do evil , lest the lords judgments come upon you suddenly to your destruction , and the lord smite you , and you never be healed . vvo unto all ye hypocritical and deceitful professors of religion , that hold the truth in unrighteousness , that have a talk and a shew of religion , and that have the name of church-members and of worshippers of god , but are dead in sins and trespasses ; ye that are christians by name , but want the nature , who are wolves in sheeps cloathing , that have christs words , the the prophets and apostles words , but want their spirit and life ; vvo unto you , the day of the lord is at hand upon you , ye hypocrites , ye that serve god with your lips , and with your mouths profess much love , when as your hearts are full of envie , covetousness and earthly-mindedness ; ye are the apostate christians , that have taken the form of godlinesse upon you , but want the power ; ye preach , and pray , and hear sermons , and keep sabbath-dayes , and perform duties , but ye are not changed in your hearts , but the old nature is alive , and the old birth lives in you ; and ye are unlike unto god in nature , and ye walk in the flesh and not in the spirit , and ye take christs words and the apostles words , and use your tongues , when god never spoke to you ; o ye hypocrites ! ye have a name to live , but are dead , and ye think ye are rich , when as ye are poor , miserable , blind and naked , and your souls are lean and want the bread of life , and ye have not put off the body of sin , nor have you overcome your souls enemies , but the burden of sin lyes upon your consciences , and temptations overcome you daily ; and though you say , ye have faith in christ , yet your hearts are not purified , but the old man , with his deeds , is yet alive , and the new creature is not brought forth in you , nor is christ living in you , and speaking in you ; the day of the lord will come upon you , you false-hearted men , ye apostate christians , that hold the profession of truth , and church , and gospel , and ministry in your unrighteous minds ; your sacrifices are not acceptable to god , nor your offerings well-pleasing to him ; for your hearts are not aright before him , and your hypocrisie will god judge , and his wrath will go out like fire to consume your glory , and god will cloath himself with zeal , as with a cloak , and with a garment of vengeance , and he will slay you with his sword , and wound your consciences with the words of his mouth , and your religion will not save you , nor your garment cover you from the wrath of the almighty : wo unto you , the mighty day of the lord is at hand upon you , ye earthly professors , who would be heirs of two kingdoms , who would enjoy god and this world too , and love its vanities and profits and pleasures , and honours , and live in strife and contention one with another about earthly things , and about your religion too , and are not of one heart , and mind , and soul , but are strangers to the new covenant of god , though you hear sermons , and say a form of prayer , and keep sabbaths and lecture-dayes , and perform ordinances and duties , and yet your hearts are hard , and the body of sin and death lyes upon your consciences , and you are not changed into the divine nature ; this religion will not save you , away with it all , it 's of antichrish , and his spirit leads you , while you walk in the form of godliness without the power , the lord will come upon you suddenly ; therefore repent ye of your hypocrisies , and turn to the spirit of god within you , hear its reproofs , and obey it , and walk in the spirit , and be ye changed , or else you can never be saved . vvo , wo unto all ye false teachers and blind leaders of the people , ye diviners and false prophets , and day of the lord is at hand upon-you ; ye have deceived souls for dishonest gain , ye have run and were never sent of god , and ye have not profited the people at all , and ye have taken the name upon you of ministers of christ , when he never sent you forth ; and you have kept a prating and preaching up and down , and run for gifts , and rewards , and hire ; ye have deceived the world , and the bloud of souls rests upon you : o ye generation of serpents ! poyson hath lodged under your tongues , your hearts have been rotten , and your tongues feigned and full of flattery , and you have been as canker-worms in the earth , and have corrupted the whole world ; whom have not ye deceived by your lyes and false divinations ? whom have not you cryed peace unto , if they would but give you gifts , money and hire ? what form of religion would not you take up for advantage to your selves ? how often have you turned from one way to another ? oh ye false-hearted men , the god of heaven will shew you no mercy ; ye are the men that have made the earth drunk with false faith , and false doctrines , and with contention and distention , sometime preaching up one government , sometimes another ; and sometime being for one way of worship , and sometimes for another ; treachery hath lodged in your hearts above all others ; ye have eaten up the sin of the people , and cryed peace unto the ungodly : wo unto ye that have gone in cain's way , that have bread contention , persecution , strife and emulation amongst people , and that have gone in balaams way for gifts and rewards , and would do any great man a pleasure , and even curse the people for money ; ye have been such as all the holy prophets cryed against , your fruits and works declares it ; ye have sought for your gain from your quarter , and could never have enough , such as isaiah cryed against , chap. 56. and such as micha cryed against , micah 3. that preached for hire , and divined for money , and leaned upon the lord , and cryed peace to them that would give money , and prepared war against them that would not : and these things have you done , some of ye teachers and priests , and ye have been blind watchmen , and ye have been idle and lazy shepherds , such as ezekiel cryed against , chap. 34. that ruled over people with force and cruelty , and killed them that were fed , and did not heal the diseased , nor strengthen the weak , but pusht with the horn at such as went astray from you ; and idle and lazy shepherds have you been , who have not sed the flock with living food , but you have caused them to drink of the foul waters , and their souls are lean and barren under your preaching ; oh look into your flocks , and see what fruit is brought forth by them , and what may be gathered from them ; oh the abundance of pride and wickedness , of ambition and vain-glory , and covetousness , and the love of this world , lying and double-dealing , and all the fruits of the flesh , how do they abound amongst the flocks of your fold ? who are in their fruits , and by their works not the sheep of christs pasture , but are like goats and vvolves under your teaching ; can ye behold this and consider of it , and not be ashamed of the fruit of your wayes ? vvhat have ye brought forth these many years ? or what profit have the people received from you , who are yet in their sins , unturned from them , and not converted to god ? whereby it appears you have run , and never were sent , because the people are not profited at all ; and it grieves the heart of the righteous to look into your vineyards , and to see such bad fruit growing ; you have been sloathfull tillers , and have not sown the good seed in the hearts of the people , but the seed of corruption brings forth fruit in them , and your vineyards are like barren and untilled ground , that is unplowed and undigged , and unplanted with trees of righteousness : oh ye have been unprofitable vineyard-dressers , and ye have laboured for your selves , and not for the lord , as is manifest ; and ye have been idle and lazy , and the god of heaven is weary of you , and the time is at hand he will pluck you up by the roots , and visit you with great destruction , and your name shall be a reproach amongst men ; for ye have not sought the lords honour , but your own ; and ye have been changable in your wayes for your own advantages ; ye have preached for filthy lucre , and through covetousness made merchandize of people ; and ye have traded with the scriptures , and made a trade of preaching the gospel ; and ye have made traffick of the souls of men : and these things have you done , and the lord hath kept silence , and he hath forborn to smite you , and therefore have you been hardened the more in your transgressions , as though the lord took no notice ; and you have filled your hands with dishonest gain in your unrighteous wayes , and your sins are increased every day against the god of heaven ; you repent not when you are warned , but reject reproof , and go on without fear ; ye are a company of proud men , heady and high-minded men , ambitious and self-seeking persons , even such as the prophets , christ and the apostles marked forth for deceivers , and your fruits and works do prove it ; ye have been covered with the sheeps cloathing in your unrighteous natures , and your iniquities are almost full , and the lord will bring unresistable destruction upon you ; in a day when you cry , peace , peace , then sudden destruction will come : wo unto you , because of your iniquities , the earth is weary of you , which ye have corrupted through your false wayes , and the kingdoms groan under your oppressions , and the earth will spue you out , and the people , whom you have deceived , shall rise up in judgment against you ; the dreadful day of the lord is at hand upon you , ye apostates from the life and faith of christ jesus , for of that race you are , even of them apostates that went out in the apostles dayes , that went in balaam's way , and cain's way , for ye are of the spirit that kills and persecutes people about worship and sacrifices , and religion , as cain did ; and ye go for gifts and rewards , even as balaam did : these things are so , the witness of god in your consciences shall answer , and all people shall acknowledge the truth hereof in the day when god pleads with all the wicked . all people , return and repent of your iniquities , the dreadful day of the lord is at hand , ye sinners and transgressors , ye hypocritical professors and prophane persons , the day of vengeance is at hand : whither will you fly , and where will you leave your glory ? where will you seek a defence , or where can you be hid ? the mountains will not cover you , nor the rocks will not fall upon you , the wrath of the lamb you cannot escape , even the long-suffering of god will be turned into a flame of anger , and patience will be turned into sharp rebuke , the wrath of the lamb will utterly smite you , and the cup of gods indignation you must drink , all the earth must tast of it , and the wicked shall drink the dreggs ; wherefore all ye inhabitants of the earth forsake your transgressions , that the lord may not cut you off for ever , but let god arise to destroy your iniquities , and to save your souls , let him take vengeance upon your inventions , that he may forgive you : oh! why will you dye , why will you perish ? the lord would have you to return , that he might save you . and this is the day of your visitation , the door of mercy is yet open for a little season , and the lord yet calls unto you for a moment ; but the time is at hand , that he who is filthy , shall be filthy still , and that determination shall be passed , come , ye blessed , and , go ye cursed ; the doleful sentence shall be pronounced to all workers of iniquity , into everlasting burning must they depart , prepared for the devil and his angels , and shall not see the countenance of the lord to refresh their souls , but in the presence of the lord , and of the lamb , shall the wicked be tormented : wherefore hear and tremble , all ye transgressors that live and act contrary to your knowledge , and against the witness of god in your own consciences ; and this is your great sin , for which the wrath of god cometh , not because you have acted in ignorance and without knowledge , but because you have acted against the light in your consciences , and sinned against your knowledge , and done the things , which you knew were evil before you did them ; and because hereof you are not to be excused , but the burden of your own sins and the guilt of them will fall heavy upon you in the day of the lord ; for this is the condemnation of the world , that light is come into it , but you have loved darknesse rather than light , and followed evil deeds and loved them , and this contrary to the light that is come into the world , and which hath enlightned your own consciences . certain propositions of faith laid down , which every one must believe , or else they cannot be saved . i. now none can be saved from the wrath of the lord but they who are saved from their sins ; for sin brings the wrath of god upon the consciences of men , and anguish upon soul and body ; and who are not saved from sin , cannot be saved from wrath ; for wrath pursues the guilty , and he that doth evil , sin lies at his door , and continual anguish upon his spirit because of sin , and the load and burden of the body of death oppresseth his soul , and anger from god kindleth in his breast , because he hath sinned ; and he knows he is gu●●●y of transgression , and the lord wounds him in his conscience , and no man in that state can speak peace unto him , nor can any save him from the wrath of god , because he is not saved from his sin , nor from the guilt of it ; but his grief and burden is , because he hath sinned against the light in his own conscience : and therefore whosoever will be saved from wrath , must be saved from sin and christ , must purifie his heart , and the blood of the lamb must sanctifie him , and his conscience must be cleansed from the guilt of transgression , and christ must live in him , and he must live the life of faith , which gives victory over all sin , or else he cannot be saved with the salvation of god eternally . ii. again , whosoever will be saved with the salvation of god , must own the light of christ jesus in his own conscience , and he must believe in this light and walk in it , even the light in his conscience , that convinces him , and checks him for his evil deeds , and that lets him see what sin he is guilty of ; you must believe in this light , and follow it , and depart from that , and forsake that iniquity which it convinces you of , and do that good which it moves your hearts unto , or else you can never be saved ; for if your continue in evil-doing , contrary to the light of christ in your own consciences , you are in a condemned condition , and you cannot be justified of the lord , while you are accused by the light within you , of such and such sins , and that you are guilty of them , and forsakes them not ; for the god of heaven condemneth and justifieth men according to the witness of the light in their own consciences ; for it is gods evidence , to bear witness for god , and to accuse or excuse every man in his sight , and according to its evidence , god justifieth or condemneth all the children of men . iii. again , whosoever will be saved , must be born again of the seed of god , and must be changed and renewed in mind and heart , and spirit ; and old things must pass away , and all things must be made new ; and a new nature must live in you , and the image of god must be brought forth , which is in righteousness and true holiness , which is like unto god ; and this is the new creation , which every one must witness to be wrought in them that ever enters into gods kingdom ; for saith christ , except a man be born again he cannot enter into the kingdom of god ; for it is not a profession of religion made with the lips , nor the practises of duties and ordinances , taken on the performed in the old nature , and a holding of truth in unrighteousness ; this is not the way of salvation , but it is the regenerating and making like unto god , being his image of justice , truth and righteousness ; it is this in which men may be saved everlastingly . iv. again , whosoever will be saved , must receive the spirit of god , and it must dwell in them , even the spirit of the father ; and they must be taught by it , and led into all truth , to do the truth , and speak the truth in all things ; even the spirit of truth must be received , to teach and to lead in all the wayes of god ; it alone must teach ; and all the hireling-teachers of the world must be turned away from , by whom peoples souls have been deceived ; all such as have run , and god never sent them ; that have cryed up teaching and ministry , and through whom people have not received the spirit of the father ; all such teachers must he denyed , their church and ministry ; and the spirit of the father must only teach and lead ; and you must walk in the spirit , and not after the flesh ; for if you walk after the flesh , in the wayes and works of it , you are in the state of condemnation , and not of salvation ; and the spirit of god doth not teach you , but you are out of the new covenant of god ; in which covenant all are taught of the lord , and in righteousness are they established : the spirit of god is put within them , and the law of god is written in their hearts ; and they need no man to teach them , but as the spirit teacheth : and this is the new covenant of peace with god , into which all must come to witness this , or else they cannot be saved . v. again , all that will be saved , must be sanctified , cleansed and purified from all unrighteousness , by the spirit and word of god , whereby every heart must be made clean , and every conscience sprinkled with the blood of the lamb ; and the body of sin and death must be put off , and the bondage of corruption must be broken , and iniquity must be forsaken , and turned from , and sin must be judged in the flesh , and purity , holiness and righteousness must live and reign in all that will be saved ; and sin and transgression , and the guilt of it must be removed ; and you must shew forth the image of god in holiness and righteousness ; and must be pure , as he is pure , in kind and quality ; and you must walk in holiness and righteousness , being freed from corruption , and from the wayes of sin and death , being sanctified in body , mind and spirit , by the word of the lord ; and sin must be blotted out , and transgression must be covered , and iniquity must be remembred no more , and in all things you must cease to do evil , and learn to do well , if ever you will be saved . vi . again , whosoever will be saved , must witness christ revealed in you , and he must live in you , and you must be followers of him whithersoever he goes , and your bodies must be the temples of the living god , and god must walk in you and dwell in you , according to his promise ; and he must be your king , your judge and law-giver , and teacher , father and master , and he must be all in all unto you , even god the father who is blessed for ever ; you must know him near you , and feel his presence in you , to be your joy , life and peace ; and you must have fellowship with him in spirit , and must worship him in spirit , and by the spirit , without respect of dayes , times or places : every one that will be saved must come into this , and witness it , for this is the way of the salvation of god . vii . again , whosoever will be saved , must live in the power of godliness , and must deny all forms of religion without the power ; all profession of scriptures , ordinances , church-member-ship , praying and preaching , which is not in the power of god , and by his spirit , must be denyed , and that part that holds it , ( that holds the form of godliness without the power ) must be crucified ; and every one must come into the power of the spirit of god , and must witness that to work in them , to will and to do ; and no more professing of the things of god , but as they are witnessed by the work of his spirit in their hearts : you must not hold truth any longer in unrighteousness , nor make a profession of it in your unrighteous minds ; no more talking of justification and redemption , nor of any of the matters of gods kingdom , but according as they are witnessed by the working of the spirit of god in the heart ; and every one must feel in himself the evidence and testimony of the spirit of god to witness the truth in his heart ( or conscience ) of what he professeth with his mouth . viii . again , whosoever will be saved , must witness the scriptures of truth fulfilled in themselves : the things that they have read of without them , must be wrought within them , wrought in their hearts by the same spirit as gave forth the scriptures ; they must passe through the same conditions as the holy men of god did ; and the same truth that the scriptures declare of , must be revealed in the heart , by the same spirit that gave forth the scriptures ; and none must profess more than they do enjoy from god ; and all flesh must be silent from speaking of the things of gods kingdom , which they have not seen , handled , tasted and felt , by the working of the spirit of god in their consciences : and this is to witness the scriptures fulfilled , when you have experience of the same conditions , and of the same operations and manifestations which the servants of the lord passed through and had experience of ; and so that you may speak what you have heard , and seen , and handled , and tasted of the word of life : all that will be saved must come to this , and witness it . ix . again , whosoever will be saved , must believe in jesus christ , and receive him ; and they must take up his daily cross and follow him ; and must know him to mortifie and crucifie them to the world : and he must work the same things in you by his spirit spiritually , as he wrought without you in his person , or else you have no part in him , nor salvation by him : for it is not enough unto eternal life , only to believe that there was such a one as a christ , and that he did and spoke such and such things at a distance without you ; for many may make a belief and a profession of this , and yet perish ; but him that was , of whom you read , without you , must you receive , and witness within you ; and you must know him as he was before abraham was , and before the world was ; and he himself by his spirit in you must give you the knowledge of himself , what he was before the beginning , what he is now , and what he shall for ever be . x. again , every one that will be saved , must come up out of the apostacy into which all christendom hath been fallen , and must come into the same spirit , life and power as the apostles were in , from which life , spirit and power , all christendom have been apostates , and they have held the words and practices of the apostles without the same life and power , and made sects , churches and ministers , but out of the same life and spirit as the holy men of god were in ; and all that will be saved , must be restored and recovered into the same spirit and life in their churches , ministry and ordinances , as the apostles of christ jesus were in : and this is restoration , when people come again into the same life and spirit of god , which the apostate christians have all wanted , and been in the form of ministry , churches , religion and godliness , without the power ; and unto this is the lord god restoring people , his day is dawned , and his everlasting light is risen , and his name will be known in the earth : and none can be saved with the salvation of god , but who believe , receive and understand these things . a general objection answered . object . 1. and whereas there is a great cry by some people of late , that there must be no more private meetings , but all people must come to church ( as they say ) and that there must be no more conventicles , &c. answ. as for conventicles , i understand you mean meetings out of publick steeple-houses , and that there must be no private meetings for preaching and prayer , but all people must be forced to come to publick places of worship . now i say , if the authority that is now set up , and hath the power , doth exercise it self in this way ; then the god of heaven will be provoked against it , to overthrow it and confound it , if it proceed contrary to the end of just rule and authority ordained of god , which is for the punishment of them that do evil in things between man and man ; but not to impose upon mens consciences , in things relating to the worship and service of god : but the lord god is wholly judge in such matters , and not any man ; and if any men should erre in their minds concerning faith and doctrine , and the worship of god , that belongs to the lord to punish , and not to any earthly authority . and what ! must not the people of god come together to worship the lord in spirit and truth ? must not people conveen together in this age , as the people of god did in ages past ? did not christ many times preach in the desert , and sometimes in a ship by the sea-side , and sometimes on a mountain , as you may read in the scriptures ? and did not he often preach unto the pharisees , and sometimes to his disciples , out of the publick synagogues ? and might not the iews have called those meetings , conventicles , because they were not in their publick synagogues ? and also , did not the apostles and saints , after the resurrection of christ , when they returned from ierusalem , meet together privately ? for they went into an upper room , and waited upon the lord , and continued with one accord in prayer and supplication : and again , at another time , they were about an hundred and twenty in number , that were in one place to wait upon the lord , and peter preached unto them ; and were these meetings conventicles , because they were not in a publick synagogue , but in an upper chamber , and in a private place ? and thus the saints of old met together , as ye may read , act. 1. and worshipped god in spirit and in truth , and preached and prayed ; and must not the people of god now meet together to pray and wait upon the lord , but they must be reproached with the name of conventiclers , and threatned and punished for so doing ? oh how blind is this generation , and how contrary to the true christian spirit in their practices ! and did not philip preach jesus unto the eunuch in a chariot , as they went on the way ? and this was not in a publick synagogue , as in act. 8. and did not peter preach to cornelius , with many others , in cornelius his house ? and this was a meeting , and not in a synagogue , acts. 10. and did not the apostles and saints meet together in an upper chamber , where paul preached until midnight amongst the saints ? act. 20. and was this a conventicle , and an unlawfull meeting ? might not the iews have said , this was an unlawful assembly , being in a chamber , and not in a publick synagogue ? and again , did not paul preach in his own hired house for two whole years together , and received all that came in unto him ? act. 28. and here were private meetings out of publick synagogues . but did the iews threaten them , and inflict sufferings upon them , because they met in private houses , and would not come to their synagogues and publick worship ? or did they reproach them with the name of sectaries and conventiclers , when they met together to wait upon the lord , sometime in praying , and sometime in preaching ? and thus you may see by many examples , that the saints and true christian churches in the dayes of old met together , sometime on mountains , and sometime in deserts , and sometime in upper chambers , and sometime in their own hired houses , and not in the publick synagogues ; but they were gathered from the temple and first priesthood , and from the worship which god had once commanded , which stood in outward things and ordinances ; and when they had received the substance , they denyed the shadows , types and figures , and did not uphold them any longer : and they were gathered by the preaching of the gospel into the second and new covenant , and they met together in private houses , and upper chambers , and by the sea-side to preach and pray , and to worship the lord ▪ and we do not read that the iews persecuted them for so doing : and will you that have the name of christians persecute the people of god , though they meet together in private houses , and their own hired houses , and cannot come to your temples and steeple-houses ? and will not you suffer such to meet together out of your publick places , but you will persecute them , and call them hereticks , and such like ? is not this worse than ever the iews did to the apostles ? and so you are out of the example of the true christians , who met together , and preached and prayed often , and not in a synagogue or publick place ; but you cry against them that do so , and threaten to persecute for it : and thus you shew your selves out of the true christan example , and in this you are worse than the iews and more cruel , if you should persecute people for meeting together to wait upon the lord in their own houses , or in what place or time , as the lord should move their hearts ; but if you proceed in this way , and will not permit the people of god to meet together in their own houses , and not in your idol-temples ; then the power of the lord will confound you , and god will break you to pieces , and you will feel his heavy wrath upon your consciences , and god will smite you with his judgments inwardly and outwardly . now for your restraining of people from one way of worship , and forcing them to another , and compelling them about religion by cruel laws and commandments of men ; this is of antichrist , for you to do , and of the devil : for all forcing of people to this kind of worship , and from another , and imposing upon their consciences in matters of gods kingdom ; this is also of antichrist , and contrary to christ and his vvay ; for he won people by sound doctrine , and by love , and by a good conversation ; and so did his disciples , for they never forced any by outward violence to their worship , nor to their church-government and ordinances : but it was the practice of the beast , and the dragon , that first forced people , and compelled them to worship , since the dayes of the apostles , rev. 13. it was antichrist that first imposed upon people in the ignorance of their consciences , and contrary to their consciences , by the commandments of men , false faith , false worship , false ministry , false doctrine , and false religions ; so that now , if you should force any contrary to their consciences , to your steeple-houses , to hear and say your form of prayers , we shall say then you are antichrist , and of the devil , if so be you should endeavour to compel any , either against their consciences , or in the ignorance of their consciences , to your way of worship or religion . therefore take heed how you meddle in these things , lest god confound you : and as for us , we are the people of god , we fear his name , and worship him , and cannot bow to the devil ; and we need not be forced to worship the lord , for his spirit leads us into all truth , and we need none of your outward prescriptions , or form of prayers , for the spirit of god teacheth us in all these things , when , and where , and how we should worship the lord god , who is a spirit , and will be worshipped in spirit and in truth , which is free , and not by outward force ; and all the worship that is otherwise , and not in the free spirit of christ , is of great babylon , whom the lord will confound and destroy . another general objection answered . object . 2. again , whereas it is said by some , now there must be no more private preachers , unlearned men , and men not ordained must not now preach any more ; lay-persons must not be preachers that are not so qualified , nor so and so ordained : and this is the present talk among some people . answ. to this i also answer , and say , vvo to them that would stop , or quench , or limit the spirit of god in sons or daughters ; for such are denyers of the scriptures and the power of god ; and such bring guilt upon their own consciences , and work fearful abomination against god . and what , must not the spirit of the lord speak now , where it is , in this age , as it did in the dayes of old , as you may read in the scriptures ? for , was not elisha a plow-man , and was not he called from the plough , 1 king. 19. and became a prophet of the lord unto the house of israel , and had the spirit of elijah poured upon him ? and would not you have said he was a lay-man , a plow-man , unordained , not fitting to preach , if you had lived in his dayes ? and was not amos called from following the flock ? who had been no prophet , nor no prophets son , but an herds-man , amos 7 , 14 , 15. and it was lawful for him to preach the word of the lord , though he was but an herds-man , and had been no prophet , nor prophets son ; which if he had lived in your dayes , you would have called him a lay-man , an unfit person , unlearned , and one not ordained for the ministry : and you , like amaziah the wicked priest of bethel , would now quench the spirit , as he would have done in amos , who was a trades-man , and such an one as you now call lay-men , who are not ( as you say ) fitting to preach . and did not christ jesus himself chuse fisher-men , and sent them forth to preach the gospel ? and such as were men of trades , and unlearned in books , as it is written , act. 4. 13. when the rulers saw the boldness of peter and john , and perceived they were unlearned , they marvelled ; and these were ministers of christ , and preached the everlasting gospel , whom you would have called lay-men , and men unfit to preach , had you lived in their dayes . and paul himself by occupation was a tent-maker , it is said , and he laboured with his hands , and yet was a preacher of the gospel ; and there are multitudes of witnesses in the scriptures of these things , how that men of trades , and unlearned in letters and books , and never were brought up at schools and colledges , but followed the plough , and were keepers of cattel , and some followed fishing ; such as these in old time had the spirit of god given them , and they preached the gospel : and what if the lord at this day give his spirit to such as these , and send them forth to preach the gospel , even to such as were brought up and educated ( it may be ) at handy-craft trades , and are labouring-men , and are not learned at schools and colledges ; will you limit the lord , and quench his spirit , and reproach his wayes and servants , and now call them lay-persons , and say they are not fitting to preach ? for they are not learned nor ordained , say you ; and calling them mechannicks and private preachers , and say , they must not now be admitted to preach the gospel ; and in this you deny the scriptures , and the example of the saints in former ages , and so neither know the scriptures , nor the spirit that gave them forth : though you say , you own the scriptures , yet if the same things come to passe which they declare of , you deny them in this age , and cry against such as hereticks who witness the fulfilling of them ; which shews you are of antichrist , and that you quench the spirit in sons and daughters , which god hath promised in the new covenant , that he would give and pour forth upon sons and daughters , and they shall prophesie : and are not we to look for these things now ? vvhat , must not god's promises be fulfilled ? must not an herds-man now preach if the word of the lord come unto him ? and must not plow-men now speak of the things of god , if they have experience of them ? and must not fisher-men and tent-makers bear witness to the name of christ , if they have received of his spirit ? and will you deny the scriptures , which saith , as every one hath received the spirit and the gift , so let him administer the same one to another ? 1 pet. 4. or , do you say , none must have the gift of the spirit , but such as are brought up at schools and colledges ? or , will you limit the holy one to such and such men and wayes ? oh you are blind and ignorant , who would quench the spirit of god , that it should not speak in these dayes , and thus you are denyers of the scriptures : but god hath given of his spirit , and spoken in our hearts , and we must prophesie , and speak as the spirit of god giveth utterance , as the saints of old did , act. 2. 4. now for your way of making ministers at schools and colledges , and so quallifying them with knowledge in the seven sciences , as it is said , and ordaining them in that manner and way , as among papists and protestants hath been practised for ages , this way of making ministers , and sending of them forth ; was never known among the apostles ; for they were not thus made and ordained , and sent to preach , nor was this way of making and sending forth ministers , till the spirit and power of god was lost and forsaken by the apostate christians ; and the scriptures make no mention of such wayes , nor give no example for such things ; and we cannot own any religion , nor any practice thereof , but what we have example for from the saints of old before us : and we believe that it is generally of antichrist , to invent and introduce such and such practices for religion towards god , and for the worship of him , for which there is no example in all the christian churches in the apostles dayes ; and we believe that way of making ministers , and sending of them forth , which is not approvable by the scriptures , nor according to them , is of antichrist , and not of god ; neither can we own such ministers nor their ministry , who are not ordained of god , and according to the scriptures : nor can we deny private preachers nor their ministry , as you call them , if they have received the spirit of christ , though they be not so learned outwardly , nor ordained according to what some may call the right way ; but who are ministers , made and sent of god , and have the authority of his spirit , such we own , and cannot deny ; and such the lord will bless with his presence , to the confounding of all their enemies . concerning settlement in a happy government . object . there hath been great divisions and distractions in these nations for divers years ; and in the midst of them the great cry hath been by many for settlement and peace , and for a quiet and happy government . answ. these things hath the lord suffered to come to pass in the world ; even great contentions , divisions and distractions , and much changes of government in these kingdoms ; and the appearing cause of these things , hath been from the lust that hath warred in the members , for from thence doth wars and strife arise ; and many have been ambitions , vain-glorious , self-seeking and covetous of the honours and pleasures of this vvorld ; the lust and desire of these things hath possessed the minds of men , and induced them to envy and wrath one against another , and hath filled them with heart-burnings , and cruelty of mind , to the killing and destroying of one another , by wars and bloodsheds , and by plots and contrivances have sought how to extinguish one another from the earth , that themselves might be exalted : and thus from the desires that have warred in mens minds , have wars arisen against the persons of men , and among them : and this is the appearing cause of the wars and distractions that have been in these nations ; though the hidden cause ( which hath not so appeared ) hath been in god , and because of the wickedness of men , both high and low , and because of their oppressions and abominations , which have been many and great in the world ; therefore hath the god of heaven been provoked in just judgement towards rulers and people , to suffer men to destroy one another , and to execute bloudsheds and destructions one upon another ; and he hath brought it to pass , in giving up men to the fulfilling of their cruel intents , which hath been hatched in their evil minds , every man against his neighbour , and even because they have been departed out of his counsel , and followed their own wicked wayes ; and justice , and mercy , and truth have been wanting amongst men in these nations ; so that this is the principal cause wherefore the lord god hath brought about and suffered these wars , distractions , confusions and discords in these latter dayes ; and out of the justness of gods judgments , because of the wickedness of men , have these things been . and now these distractions and confusions , and discords amongst men can never wholly and truly cease to be , till iniquity and transgression be repented of , and turned from , which is the very cause wherefore god hath done and suffered these things , as i have said ; and so men must cease from oppression , from cruelty , and from all unrighteousness , and must turn to the lord , and become cleansed from their sins , ere ever the judgements of the lord be removed , and these distractions , wars and confusions cease to be in these lands ; and till men become meek and humble , and till they cease to seek revenge one of another ; and till they cease all oppression and covetousness , injustice and unmercifulness ; and till they forsake their worldly honour and high titles , which puffs them up in arrogancy and ambition ; and even till every man forsake his particular iniquity ; till all these things be , distractions will not cease , nor shall settlement , and peace , and happy government ever be : this is certainly so ; for except the cause be removed , the effect can never cease : and there appears to be at this day as great ( if not far more ) dissatisfactions in the minds of some people , than hath been heretofore ; and it appears to be as far from settlement and true peace in an happy union in government , as for many years ; though it hath been expected by many , that we should have peace and settlement in government , yet , behold , it cannot be ; for there are discontents and murmurings in the minds of men , and unsettlement in their spirits , and the foundation of a happy government is not yet discovered unto many ; nor do the people walk in the way of peace , but iniquity is abounding , oppression and cruelty yet lives ; hard-heartedness and envy , pride and ambition , are not yet cut down , neither in all the governours , nor in the governed : and this is not the way of peace and true settlement ; but it is the way of troubles and distractions , and the very foundation of greater distractions and wars , rather than of settlement and happy government : these things are so ; and therefore true peace and settlement in good agreement , who can expect ? because the ground of distractions and unsettlement is continued and increased , rather than abated and removed amongst many ; and the true foundation of peace and settlement in happy government , is not yet raised up amongst men ; but because injustice and oppression are continued , therefore will god be provoked to bring distractions , wars and tribulations upon the kingdoms of all the world ; and god will confound and dash in pieces , powers , authorities , rulers , nations and peoples ; and he will break one potsherd against another , and overthrow one mountain against another ; and the hands of cruel men will god suffer to devour one another ; and ambitious and malicious hearts shall be suffered to finish one anothers end , because of their own wickedness : and therefore be not deceived ; blessedness in the kingdoms of this world can never be , except iniquity and transgression be departed from ; except oppression and hard-heartedness dye ; and except the foundation of war and strife be removed , and the foundation of peace and happy government be raised up amongst men . again , true peace and settlement in good government can never be , except the lord alone be owned as judge and law-giver , and his righteous laws to be executed in the earth ; that justice and true judgment may flow down , and all the contrary may be stopped and limitted by the just laws of god ; and all unjust and unequal laws ( made and established in the ignorance of men ) which have not been justly according to the law of god , nor depended thereupon ; such laws must also be made void , judged and cast out , and the law of god must enter : this must be accomplished , if ever true settlement in a happy peace be amongst us : the laws must be changed , the unjust and unequal cast out , and just and equal laws brought in ▪ for because hereof , while unjust and unequal laws have been executed in judgment , therefore have we wanted settlement and peace in a happy government , and the contrary hath been , and will continue till all unjust , unequal and oppressive love be discontinued . again , if ever true peace and settlement in a happy government be amongst men ▪ governours , rulers and executors of the law must be iust persons and righteous men , men that fear god , and hate covetousness , and that depart from every evil way ; and all ambitious , self-seeking , and unjust men must be cast out , even all they that have sought themselves , and not the lord , in their places of trust ; such as have perverted justice and true judgment for their own corrupted ends ; and such as have been cruel and hard-hearted oppressors ; all such as these must be cast out , and the law must not be committed to such to execute , neither must such sit in judgement over the people ; for because hereof , and while such men have ruled and governed , and executed the laws , no true settlement in a just government , but the contrary hath been , even distractions and tribulations ; and while such men do continue to rule and judge , and execute the laws in any part of the world , we shall never have a happy government nor settlement in it in this world ; nor till just men , that have the spirit of god , and sound judgment , that are humble and meek , patient and merciful , and such as fear the lord , and walk in his wayes , be called to rule and judge , and execute the laws ; and the laws must be just and holy , and the executors of them equal and upright men . till these things be accomplished , a happy settlement in this worlds kingdoms can never be , but god will dash one mountain against another , and throw one hill upon another ; and he will give no peace among the kings of the earth , but stain the glory of all the worlds governments , till truth and righteousness come to reign , and till just laws be executed by just men , and till mercy and justice , truth and equity flow forth abundantly . therefore all nations , you have been deceived while you have turned up and down , from one way and manner and kind of government to another , and from one sort of governours to others : sometimes you have been for a parliament ; sometime for a protector ; and sometime for neither : from each of these to others you have changed , thinking to have peace and settlement in a happy government ; but it could not be : for there are continual distractions until this day in the minds of men , and they are yet unsetled in their spirits ; and there are heart-burnings , and envyings , and seeking of revenge ; and while these things are , nothing but distractions and tribulations ; not peace , but troubles , even till these things be removed ; and till we have just and equal laws , according to the law of god , established over us , and just , and holy , and righteous men to execute them in judgement upon us ; and till we have truth and righteousness sit on the throne ; until this be , no true settlement in a happy government ; but distractions and contentions , and woful tribulations in the kingdoms of the world , and amongst men ; and this is certain , and according unto the will of the lord : and in the justness of his judgements these things come to passe ; for it is injustice and oppressions , and want of mercy and truth , which is the foundation of contentions and distractions ; and it is justice and equity , truth and righteousness , that is the only foundation of peace and settlement , and a happy government for a perpetual continuance . to all false christia●● there are many false wayes in the world , and many false kinds of religions , and people are in much disagreement about their church , worship and ministry ; papists are opposing the protestents , and the protestants the papists ; and there is a great contention in the world . but the papists are in a wrong way , and so are the protestants too ; and their religions are both false in many things ; for whilst they profess christ and christianity , and make a shew of righteousness in outward appearance , yet many of them live in sinful wayes , and bring forth the fruits of iniquity against the living god , and pride , cheating , and double-dealing , covetousness and envy , drunkenness and whoredom , and all wickedness is abounding and brought forth , both by the apostate christians , though they cry up the name of christ , and the profession of godliness , yet are they wicked in the sight of god , and they are not changed in heart and mind , nor do they know the new birth ; and all such are out of the right way , in the way of errour , if they have the form of godliness , but want the power ; though they may have masse , or say common-prayer once a week , or oftner , yet all this is but abomination and deceit , whilst they practise iniquity , hatred , back biting , lying , drunkenness , and the like ; they that act these things , the plagues of god will be their portion , and misery their end , and their profession in religion will not save them . the day of the lord is at hand , ye hypocrites , ye false christians , ye that profess god with your lips , and your hearts are far away : therefore repent ye and tremble before the lord , lest he smite you with vengeance : and forsake your false religions , both your masse , and your forms of prayer ; and be not idolaters , in professing love in your mouthes , and honour with your lips , whilst your hearts are departed from the living god ; and now come to learn the true religion : depart from all iniquity , and do not lye , nor swear , nor be drunk , nor steal , nor murder , nor envy ; but love the lord with all your hearts , and your neighbour as your selves : and this is the true religion , in which man may be saved , and live in soberness , meekness and honesty , and speak every man truth to his neighbour , and live in love one with another , and be kind and gentle , and bring forth the fruits of the spirit of god ; cease to do evil , and learn to do well , and depart from all iniquity , and follow after righteousness : this is true religion , and in it you may be saved : this is the right way , all that walk in it shall have peace and blessing from god ; and all that walk contrary , damnation is their portion : therefore you papists and protestants ( so called ) turn from your hypocrisie , and learn this way , and cease from your false worships , that are after the forms and traditions of men , and not after the spirit of god ; and learn to worship god in the spirit , that you may be saved : you have a light from christ in your consciences , which lets you see what sins ye are guilty of , and it reproves you for your sin : if you belie●e in the light , and walk in it that is the right way , then you will deny what is evil , and follow what is good in your coversations , but if you follow what is evil , and act contrary to the light in your consciences , and repent nor . vengeance in flames of fire will be your portion . this is the day of your visitation , the army of the lamb is gone forth , and the sword of the spirit is drawn amongst them , that will wound your consciences , and god will smite you with the words of his mouth , ye rocks , and hils , and bryars and thorns , and fruitless trees , the god of heaven will hew you to pieces , and pluck you up , and oast you into the fire to be consumed . repons , for the day of the lord is at hand . the end . a just and lawful tryal of the teachers and professed ministers of his age and generation by a perfect proceeding against them, and hereby they are righteously examined ... : whereunto is added, a short description of the true ministry of christ ... justified by the people of god called quakers, in england / by ... edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30530 of text r14657 in the english short title catalog (wing b6010). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 74 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 13 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30530 wing b6010 estc r14657 12034720 ocm 12034720 52864 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30530) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 52864) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 861:16) a just and lawful tryal of the teachers and professed ministers of his age and generation by a perfect proceeding against them, and hereby they are righteously examined ... : whereunto is added, a short description of the true ministry of christ ... justified by the people of god called quakers, in england / by ... edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. [2], 22 p. printed for thomas simmons ..., london : 1660. reproduction of original in huntington library. eng society of friends -doctrines. church and state -england. a30530 r14657 (wing b6010). civilwar no a just and lawful tryal of the teachers and professed ministers of this age and generation· by a perfect proceeding against them. and hereby burrough, edward 1660 14952 34 0 0 0 0 0 23 c the rate of 23 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the c category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-04 emma (leeson) huber sampled and proofread 2004-04 emma (leeson) huber text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-07 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a just and lawful tryal of the teachers and professed ministers of this age and generation . by a perfect proceeding against them . and hereby they are righteously examined , & justly weighed , and truly measured , and condemned out of their own mouths , and judged by their own professed rule , viz. the scriptures , and thereby are proved to disagree , and be contrary to all the ministers of christ in former ages ; and to agree and concur with all the false prophets and deceivers in their call , in their maintenance , and in their doctrines , and conversation , and practice . and being brought to the bar of justice , these things are truly charged against them , and legally proved upon them , and their own professed rule ( the scripture ) have judged them guilty . whereunto is added , a short description of the true ministry of christ ; and of his lawful and just maintenance , according to the apostles examples , and now again justified , by the people of god called quakers , in england . by a friend to england's common wealth , for whose sake this is written and sent abroad . edward burrough . london , printed for thomas simmons at the bull and mouth neer aldersgate . 1660 a just and lawfull tryal . the time of tryal is come , wherein the lord is trying the hearts of all men ; and now it is manifest what lodgeth in the hearts of all man kinde , and by the fruit every tree shall be judged . the lord hath beheld the wickedness of this generation , and it is very great , and comes not short , but rather abounds all other generations that have gone before : wickednesse is grown high among teachers and people , and the measure of iniquity is fulfilling daily . come let us reason together ; what think you ? was there ever such a generation of teachers as this is ? have they any example that ever went before for their wickedness ? to whom may they be compared ? or with whom shall we parallel them ? and because they say the scripture is their rule , therefore will we try them by it , and their own mouths shall condemn them ; and such they shall be concluded to be , whose example they do follow , be it ministers of christ , or be it deceivers ; unto the apostles and ministers of christ they are compared , but are found quite contrary in many things , and their practise fitly sutes and agrees with all the false prophets & deceivers : and thus i shall prove them according to scripture , wherein these men that are teachers do disagree to the apostles & ministers of christ which he sent forth in former generations ; and wherein they do agree with the deceivers , and antichrists and false prophets , that have run , and not been sent . 1. and first of all , the apostles and ministers of christ were made ministers of christ by the gift of the holy ghost , and by power from on high onely , and what they ministered unto others , they had freely received from christ , and had handled , felt and tasted of the word of life : but the teachers of this generation doth not agree with them in this , for they are made ministers by natural learning and education , and the knowledge of arts , and by the ordination of men , and by powers of this world , ( and not by the gift of the holy ghost ) and they spake that which they have heard out of books , and studied for by arts , and which they have received from man , and not that which they have received only from the lord . 2 the ministers of christ they were approved of god , and called by his spirit into the work of the ministry , and were not of man ; neither by man , but many of these are approved of man , and not of god , and called by man , and maintained by men in their ministry ; and herein they do differ and disagree ; for ( as i said ) the ministers of christ were made minister ▪ by the holy ghost , and not by natural learning , but these are made ministers by natural learning , or otherwise , and not by the gift of the holy ghost . 3. again , herein do they disagree , the ministers of jesus christ went up and down through the world , declaring the word of the lord freely at any time , in the market-places , and in the synagogues , and in the streets , and went from countrey to countrey , and were strangers upon earth , not having any certain dwelling place , or any great parsonages . but these settle themselves in a certain place , for so much money by the year , and spend their time in ease and pleasure , and lust of the flesh , selling to the people for money what they preach , and herein they disagree ; the ministers of christ preached freely as they had received freely ; but the ministers of this age sells for money what they preach to the people : and thus they differ in their call to the ministry , and in their practice in the ministry , and in their maintenance also , as is made manifest to many . 4. again , the ministers of christ preached to bring people into fellowship with god by preaching of the gospel through converting sinners unto the knowledge of the truth , and by no other way did they make christians , nor counted any so but such as had repented and were changed by the spirit . but the teachers of this age do make christians , by sprinkling them while they are infants , before they preach the gospel to them , or before they repent of their sins ; and they bring them into fellowship , by traditions and a vain shew of baptism , and not by the spirit of god ; and herein also they disagree , the one counted none christians but such as were converted by the spirit of god , and knew the operation of gods spirit ; and the other counts all christians that are sprinkled when they are infants , while they are without the operation of the spirit of god , and converts them not unto god by their preaching , but tells them they are christians before they preach to them . 5 , again , they differ in doctrine ; for the ministers of christ preached christ the light of the world , and said , he lighted every man that cometh into the world : but the teachers of this age contend against that , and saith every man is not enlightned by him , but some have no light from christ : and the ministers of christ they turned people to the light , from the darkness , and from satans power to the power of god ; but the teachers of this age doth not turn people to the light of christ within , but to the saints words without , or to some other thing , and are divided among themselves , and so in effect cryes , lo here , and lo there is christ in this from , or that form ; but the ministers of christ said , he was within people , or else they were reprobates . 6. again , the ministers of christ said , christ was the word , and the scripture was a declaration of what they believed . but the teachers of this age saith , the letter and the scripture is the word , and saith it is the instrument wherby god saves souls , & saith it is both the writings and the things signified ; and saith it is the foundation of foundations , but thus the ministers of christ never spoke of the letter : and thus herein they differ and disagree , the one preacheth christ to be the word , the other preacheth the letter and the scripture to be the word . the ministers of christ said , christ was the foundation ; but these say the scripture is the foundation , and herein they are contrary , and sheweth by their doctrine another spirit then was in the apostles . 7. again , the ministers of christ said they spoke wisdom among them that were perfect , and said . as many of us as are perfect be thus minded ; and said , that the end of their ministery was to present every man perfect in christ . but the teachers of this age denies persection , and say , none must be perfect in this life ; and if any preach up perfection , that it is to be attained , they say it is error , and damnable doctrine : nay , they say none shall ever be free from sin , or ever have victory over their sin , nor overcome the body of sin while he be upon earth : but the ministers of christ witnessed they were more then conquerers , and that they had put off the body of death , and were free from sin , and were the servants of righteousnesse . and herein also they differ , and are not of one spirit ; and we know that the ministers of christ were guided by the spirit of god , which held forth these doctines ; and we know the teachers of this age , that their spirit must needs be of the devil , because it holds forth and practiseth what the ministers of christ did not , but the contrary . 8. again , the ministers of christ were persecuted and suffered cruel and grievous things for righteousnesse sake , as you may read in the acts , and did not render evil for evil to any man , for they suffered patiently . but the teachers of this age are not persecuted , but are persecutor● and causeth men to be put into prison , and to be banished out of towns ; and sues people at the law , and seeks occasions against the people of god ; and herein they disagree , and are not of the same spirit as they were which were ministers of christ , but sheweth a spirit contrary . 9. again , the ministers and apostles of christ were not chargeable to any , but made the gospel without charge , and free , and laboured with their own hands , and did not live idely , but were often in cold , hunger , and nakedness , and perils , and tryals : but the teachers of this age live in pride , and covetousnesse , and fulness , and doth not work with their own hands , but makes the gospel of christ chargeable , for many hundred thousand pounds in a year doth but maintain them , which they have out of poor mens labours ; and so these differ and disagree from the ministers of christ , and shews they are not of that spirit that they were guided by , but are guided by a contrary spirit , because they are contrary in their call , and in their doctrine , and practise , and maintenance . 10. again , the ministers of christ preached by the splrit , according as the spirit gave them utterance , and somtime continued preaching till midnight : but the teachers of this age are limited by a glasse , and preacheth by a glass , and when the hour is out , their time of peaching is ended , and that which they have studyed for before-hand , that they preach , and not that which they have received immediately from the spirit of god : and herein do they disagree , and in many things more , which after may be declared . 11. again , the ministers of christ said , ye may all prophesie one by one , that all might be edified ; and as every one had received the gift of christ , so they might minister to others , and desired that all the lords people were prophets , and sons and daughters did prophesie : but the teachers of this age will not suffer all to prophesie one by one , neither will allow any to preach as they have received from christ , without such qualifications , and learned arts , and ordinations of men , and they will not allow a woman to prophesie or speak among them , and all might speak the word of the lord faithfully that had it , and all might minister as they had received it ; this was order in the apostles dayes among them , but this is now counted confusion by the teachers of this age ; and if any speak to them or any among them , many such are made to suffer cruelty , or imprisonment , or such like , by their means ; and herein they disagree , and shew that they are guided by another spirit than the ministers of christ were guided by , and so are not his ministers , but deceivers . 12 again , the ministers of christ declared what they had heard , and seen and felt , and tasted of the word of life ; and none of them did boast in another mans line , but what they all had received of the lord , that they declared , and not their own inventions , and commended themselves to every mans conscience in the sight of god ; and they did not provide themselves studies full of books to gather out of in a weeks time what to preach on the first dayes , as the teachers of this age do , who by vain study , and humane learning , frames up , and notes it in a book , an hour , or two hours discourse to the people . and herein they disagree , and sh●ws that they are guided by a spirit contrary to the ministers of christ . 13. again , the apostles and ministers of christ were called from their herds , and from nets , from their receit of custom● , and from their callings ; and by receiving the holy ghost were made ministers of christ , and did not seek peoples money to themselves , but sought the people to god , and went through aruel sufferings and persecutions many times , that they might hold forth the way of life and truth to all people . but the teachers of this age , they are trained up from their child-hood in arts and sciences , rising by degrees from one vanity to another , till at last they arrive to the function of a minister of christ , as they call it and few or none of them hath been called from their ordinary calling to preach the gospel , for such a one is hardly allowed of to preach among people ; and they seek peoples mony to themselves , and not the people to god . and herein they disagree , and shews another spirit then was in the apostles . 14. again , the ministers of christ were led and guided by the spirit of christ , and did not fulfill their own wills , nor the wills of men ; and they brought people to the feeling of the spirit of christ in them to teach them , and after they had begotten people to god , they said they needed no man to teach them , but as the anointing within them taught them . but the teachers of theis age follows their own spirits , and are subject to the wills of men ; if men admits them to teach , they do ; but if men deny them , then they do not preach ; but the apostles did not thus , for when men forbid them to teach , they did not cease to preach , but went on boldly , declaring the name of the lord : and these teachers do not bring people to know the spirit of christ in them , neither can any through their preaching receive the anointing to dwell in them , that so they do not need any man to reach them ; but people are ever learning as long as they live , and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth , & people are not profited at all ; and in this thing they disagree , and shews another spirit then the apostles were guided by , even the spirit of antichrist . 15. again , the ministers of christ were low , poor , meek , sober , humble men , such as did not exalt themselves , nor maintain themselves in pride , and fulness , by receiving of poor peoples labours . but the teachers of this age are proud , and heady , high-minded , selfe-willed , and exalted spirits , living in idleness , pride and fulness , and receives of the labours of poor people ; and herein they disagree ; for the apostles were often in cold , and hunger , and great sufferings and perplexities ; but these are as fed horses , the proudest of all people , and the most covetous of any men , and all men must bow to them , and call them masters , which is quite contrary to christs command . and thus they shew another spirit then what the ministers of christ were guided by ; and if another spirit , it must needs be the spirit of the devil ; for either the spirit of christ leads men , or the spirit of the devil . and now seeing that the teachers of this age brings forth fruits contrary to the ministers of christ , it shews that they are not guided by the spirit of christ , because in their calling , in their ministery , in their maintenance , in their life and conversation , and in their doctrine they are not the same , but quite contrary to the apostles and ministers of christ ; what can we conclude of them ? we have concluded already that such are deceivers , whose works are of another nature , and who are guided by another spirit than the ministers of christ were , for christ saith , every tree is known by its fruits ; and this is sufficient what i have said , and if need require it may further be made to appear in the sight of the whole world and sufficiently proved , that they differ in all these things mentioned , and in many more , and are not one with the apostles , neither in call , nor practice , nor maintenance , nor in doctrine , nor in conversation , nor in any other thing , but doth disagree , and is quite contrary ; so as it is concluded these are not the ministers of christ , though they profess themselves to be so , because they bring forth fruits quite contrary to the spirit of jesus , which the spirit of jesus did and doth reprove : and seeing they are not guided by the spirit of jesus , because their fruits are contrary to it , then must they needs be guided by the spirit of antichrist , and so are the ministers of antichrist , and doth his works by his spirit ; and further , i shall shew wherein they do agree with the false prophets and false apostles , and wherein they are like unto them in their ministry and practise and doctrine , and conversation ; and if the marks of deceivers fall upon them in the sight of all people , why should they not hear it ? and if the same works be proved to be acted by them , which , the false prophets and deceivers acted , then why should it be thought a thing incredible among men that these are deceivers ? 1. first , the false prophets ●un and were not sent ; and they did not profit the people at all , for they stood not in the counsel of god , and so they turned not any from their iniquity , but rather strengthened the hands of the evil-deer , so that none could turn from their wickedness ; and they spoke a vision of their own heart , and not from the mouth of the lord ; and they said still to the wicked . the lord hath said , ye shall have peace ; and to every one that walked after the imaginations of their own heart , they cryed , no evil shall come upon him , and the priests and the prophets were prophane , as you may read ier. 23. and this is a fit parallel for the teachers of this generation , they can shew no call from god , nor by his spirit , neither is people profited by them , as exp●rience doth shew and teach through this nation ; & they do cry peace to the wicked , and count all christians and followers of christ that are but sprinkled when they are infants , though they live in wickedness ; and from them , as from the prophets of israel , is prophaness gone forth into many nations , and a wicked example of evil these give to all nations , neither do these speak from the mouth of the lord , but a vision of their own heart , and what old authors say , and at the best but what the saints of the lord said before them , and this is no more , as done by them , then stealing the prophets words , or the word from their neighbour ; again , you may read how the false prophets used their tongues , and said , the lord saith it , when god had never spoken to them , but onely what they had stole from others , who were the prophets of the lord ; and this is a fit example to the teachers of this age , and a true parallel between them ; for these dare not own that ever they heard the voyce of the lord imediately , nor that they spoke from the month of the lord immediately , but useth their tongues , and saith the lord said so by such a prophet , when as themselves have not received the word from the lord ; and the lord was against such who prophesied lies , as did the false prophets of israel , as the teachers of this age do , as it is manifest , and the lord is against them ; and herein do they agree , and concur with the false prophets in their call , and are in concord with the deceivers of old . 2. again , the false prophets , and blind watchmen of israel , they were ignorant , and they were greedy dumb dogs that never cold have enough , and they look to their own way , and every one sought for his gain from their quarters , and they were drinkers of wine , and strong drink , and boasted that to morrow should be as this day , isay 56. and this is a fit parallel with the teachers of this age , for they are blind watchmen , and doth not discover to people the wickedness of their waies , and no less can be said of them , than that they are greedy dumb dogs , for they all look to their own way , and every one of them hath a quarter ( a town or a parish ) from which they seek their gain , and some of them are lovers of wine , and strong drink , as daily experiences witness ; and herein the teachers of this generation are proved to succeed the false prophets in the same works , and sheweth they are guided by the same spirit , because they so fitly agree and concur in their works , and this is plain to all men that are but reasonable , much more to men that are spiritual . 3. again the deceivers such as were false prophets , preached for hire , and divined for mony , and yet leaned upon the lord , and said , is not the lord among us ? and the teachers of this age they have hire for preaching , and great sums of mony , and they say they lean upon the lord ; of these things their needs no proof , they are so plain , in every town , and countrie where the priests preacheth for hire , and the prophets divine for mony ; and herein they fitlie agree , and concur with the deceivers of old , and follows them as an example , shewing that they walke by the very same spirit . 4. again the false shepherds of israel were like foxes in the desert , for they followed their own spirits , and had seen nothing but lying divinations , saying the lord said , when the lord had not sent them ; and they seduced the people , saying peace , when there was no peace to them from god , and one builded a wall , and aother daubed it with untempred morter , and with lies ; the heart of the righteous they made sad , whom the lord had not made sad , and strengthened the hands of the wicked that he should not return from his wicked way , by promising him life ; and this is a fit paralel to the teachers of this age , for they follow their own spirits , because they do things contrary to the spirit of jesus ; and they have seen nothing but lying vanities , and divinations , whereby they do seduce the people , by telling them they are christians , and that they are baptised into the saith of christ , and that they have the seal of the remission of sins , by being sprinkled with water when they were infants ; and these are lying divinations by which they seduce people , and saith they shall have peace while they still continue in sin ; and thus they build a wall , and daubs it with untempered morter , and makes a christian of their own , and feeds him with false hopes , and with such lies as these , and many other which they declare for doctrine ; the heart of the righteous is made sad at this day , and the hands of the wicked are strengthened , that he cannot turn from his wicked way , for life is promised to him , though he be wicked & ungodly , living in all unrighteousness , for they tell him that christ is his righteousness to justifie him , & then he thinks he need not turn from his sin , and so their hands are strengthened that they cannot turn from their sins ; and herein the teachers of this age , and the false prophets do fully agree , and are so like the one to the other , as children of one father , and their works are so like as crafts-men of one science ; and thus they are one in union , and follows the same spirit . 5. again the shepherds of is●del , idle pastors , and deceivers , they eat the fat , and they cloath themselves with the wool , and they killed them that were fed , but they feed not the flock , the diseased they did not strengthen , neither healed they the sick , neither bound they up the broken , neither brought they again that which was driven away , neither did they seek again that which was lost , but with force , and cruelty , they ruled the flock , and was scattered , and become meat to all the beasts of the field , and the sheep wandred throughout all the mountains ; and the flock was scattered , and none of the shepheards did search or seek after them ; and they eat and drank up the good of the pasture , and trod down the residue with their feet ; and they thrust with side and with shoulder , and they pushed all the diseased with their horn , till they scattered them abooad ; now this is a fit comparison with the practice of the teachers of this age ; for they eat the fat , and lives in pleasures , and fuln●ss most of any , and they cloath with the wool , for they claim the tenth part of every mans wool ; and if any be fed by the true shepheard , they seek to kill them , and to devour their lives by causing them to be imprisoned , and cruelty done unto them ; and they feed not the flock , neither do they strengthen the diseased , nor healeth the sick , neither bind they up the broken ; for if any be wounded and cries out because of the burden of sinne , and be sick , and broken , and trembles at the word of the lord ; such they cry out is deceived and mocketh at them ; and the image of god which hath been driven away and lost , they have not sought in people , but with cruelty have they ruled among people , by running to magistrates , and causing such to be put into prison that would not help to maintain them , and thus with cruelty do they rule among people , as it is witnessed by many testimonies in england ; and the people are scattered , and wandered into many sects , and false judgements , and false opinions , and they are not sought after by the teachers of this age to regain them to the truth by sound doctrine , but they persecute them ; and the shepherds feed themselves , and feeds not the flock , and even eats up the good pasture , and treads down the residue ; and drinks of the deep waters , and fouls the residue with their feet , so that none that follows them can drink of the pure waters , nor eat of the bread of life ; and they thrust with side , and with shoulder , and push all the diseased which are wounded , because of their sin , who is ready to die for want of the bread of life , which denies , & are weary of their abominations ; these they push at with their horns , and causeth to be persecuted : and thus they fitly agree with the false shepherds of israel , and are no whit wanting in any thing wherein they were guilty , but rather abounding ; which sheweth that they follow the same spirit , and are of the same stock , and seed , and the lord is against these , as he was against them in old time , and no more are these ministers of christ that acts these things , then they were which acted the same things by the same spirit ; and this is plain to all that shuts not their eye and stops not their ear . 6. again , the false prophets and deceivers , they made the people erre , and did bite with their teeth , and cryed peace , but they that put not into their mouths , they prepared war against them , as you may read micha 3. now the teachers of this age brings forth the very same ; for they cry peace unto all that puts into their mouths , though people be never so ungodly , if they will maintain them , they cry peace to them , but if people put not into their mouths , they prepare war against them , by suing them at the law , and casting them into prison if any deny to pay them tithes , or mony , though they have no due to it by the law of christ , such do prepare open war against them by distraining their goods , and taking treble dammages , and casting their bodies into bonds ; and herein the teachers of this age agrees with the false prophets of israel , can any man be so blind that doth not see it ? doth any man stop their ear , so as that they cannot hear this to be true ? they shew themselves in all things to be one with the false prophets of israel , when justly they are tryed by their own rule , as they say , and so let them bear this judgement , which their own professed rule judgeth with . 7. again the priests , and false prophets of israel , thus it is said of them that as troops of robbers waits for a man , so the company of priests murders in the way with consent , for they commit lewdnesse , hos. 6. 9. and what less may be spoken of the teachers of this age , spiritual men shall judge ; for if any man do but cease from their abominable worship , their deceitful worship and idolatry , and come to the knowledge of god , they even seek to murder in the way , & cries out against them for being deluded , and deceived , & such like ; so that like as troops of robbers wait for a man , so it may be said of the teachers of this age ; for they take away the key of knowledge , & will not enter in themselves to the knowledg of the truth , nor suffer them that would ; and indeed whatsoever abomination the teachers and prophets of israel were found guilty of , the teachers of this age doth not come short but rather abound ( let search be made thr●ugh the scriptures , & see whether there was any evil committed by them ) i mean the false prophets of israel , that is not committed by the teachers of this age ; what were they guilty of , that these can free themselves from ? if any man hath a word to say , let us hear it , and come out with your arguments you wise men , and let us hear your plea ; and they doing the same works which the false prophets of israel did , must needs be concluded to be followers of the same spirit , and that they are no less than they were whose examples they follow , which are followers of the false prophets , and not of the ministers of christ . 8. again christ in his warning , to beware of the leaven of the pharisees , who gives the description what they were , and what their practices were , and he saith , they , ( meaning the pharisees ) did bind heavy burdens , grievous to be born , and they laid them on mens shoulders , but themselves would not move them with one of their fingers ; and their works they do to be seen of men , and loves the uppermost rooms at feasts , and their chiefest seats in synagogues , and greetings in the markets , and to be called of men masters : now the teachers of this generation are like unto these , they do succeed the pharisees in bringing sorth the same fruits ; for do not these build heavy burdens grievous to be born , and laying them oft mens shoulders , making them suffer grievous things through their cruelty , as imprisonment , and spoiling their goods , these are grievous burdens which they lay upon men , but they will not touch them with one of their fingers , and their works are done to be seen of men , for they think to be heard for their much babling , and we know they love the uppermost rooms at feasts , and hath it often , and the chief place of the synagogue , they love that and have it ; and to be called of men master , which christ forbids his ministers to be , they love that , and they have it ; and herein they do agree with the pharisees , and in other things , if we should duely examine the scriptures , shewing that they are of the same spirit which the pharisees were of which crucified christ . 9. again , the pharisees and deceivers were persecutors , such as complained to the magistrates , as you may read through all the new testament and the book of the acts , and elsewhere ; how the chief priests caused the saints to be persecuted by lying informations , and grievous complaints to the elders and rulers ; they sought to take christ by subtilty , and kill him , and they persecuted the apostles to prison , and some to death , and others to bonds , and cruel sufferings ; and this was done chiefly by or through the complaint of the priests ; it was amaziah the kings priest that complained to jeroboam , and informed against the poor prophet amos ; and it was shimshia the scribe that complained to the king against the building of the city of god ; and it was the sonne of the priest that persecuted ieremiah ; and herein also the teachers of this generation doth agree and concord with the chief priests , with , and in persecuting the innocent , shewing that they are of the same spirit , for now they complain and inform against the people of god , and through their information evil is done against them ; and it is they through their lying and false accusation to the magistrates by whom the saints do suffer , and in all these things they do fully agree , and concur with the deceivers of old . 10. again , the false apostles , they were such as went for filthy lucre , and through covetousnesse , with seigned words , made merchandize of souls , and denyed the lord that bought them , and brought in damnable heresies , and they walked after the flesh , in the lusts and uncleannesse , and despised government , and were presumptuous and self willed , and sported themselves with their own deceiving , and they could not cease from sin , but beguiled unstable souls , and an heart they had exercised in covetous practices , and they went astray , loving the way of balaam , loving the wages of unrighteousnesse , and they were wells without water , and were clouds that are carried with a tempest ; they spake great swelling words of vanity , and allured through the lusts of the flesh , through much wantonness those who were escaped from them , who lived in errour , and they promised others liberty , and themselves were the servants of corruption . now the teachers of this age are sound guilty of , and in all these things they agree , which the false apostles were guilty of ; for they through covetousnesse , with seigned words , do make merchandize of the people , if any will give them more mony at the next town , they will sell the people where they are , and go where there is more money , and seeing they are out of the doctrine of christ , it is no lesse then denying the lord that bought them . and that they hold damnable errors , this i can prove , for one † of them said in my hearing , that the scripture was the foundation of foundations . and † another said , that the scripture was both the writings and the thing signified , and these are as damnable errors as ever the false apostles brought in . and these they walk after the lust of the flesh , in pride and fulness thereof , and despise the government of christ and are presumptuous , self-willed , lofty , high-spirited men ; and as the false apostles did , so do these speak evil of things they know not , of things they understand not ; and no lesse can be said of these , but that they spo●t themselves with their own deceivings , and they cannot cease from sin themselves ; for it is a principal doctrine among them , that none must be free from sin while they be upon earth , and they deceive unstable souls , who thinks them to be ministers of christ , when as they were never sent of christ , and it is evident that their hearts are exercised with coverous practises , who sues poor people at law , some for 12 pence ; which they are more able to give to , then they whom they sue to receive from ; and they follow the error of balaam , and run after him greedily who went for gifts and rewards , as doth these , and hath unrighteous wages , causeth people to pay them mony , for whom they do not work , and this is unrighteous wages ; these are wells without water , and clouds without rain : they make a shew of godlinesse and righreousnesse , whenas they are prophane and unrighteous . and they speak great swelling words of vanity , professing themselves to be orthodox divines , and such like , which are no more but words of vanitie , without truth , and they seek to allure all people to follow them in their way of idol-worships , and so they are deceived and deceiving : and while they promise liberty to others by christ from sin when they are dead , themselves are the servants of corruption , and live in sin to this day , and in all things which the false apostles were guilty of , these comes not behind , but these doth shew by their works , that they are guided by the same spirit which was in the deceivers of old , and so they agree and concur one with another in unrighteousnesse . again , the false prophets and deceivers , which were come and coming in the dayes of iohn , they were of the world , and they spake of the world , and the world heard them : and they were them which christ prophesied of should come into the world , which should deceive many , and such were they which the apostle saw coming in , 2 tim. 3. and he said , after his dayes grievous wolves should come in , which should not spare the slock such which were departed from the faith , and spake lyes in hypocrisie , having their consciences seared with a hot iron ; and such were they , covetous , boasters , proud , blasphemers , unthankful , unholy , without natural affection , truce-breakers , false accusers , incontinent , fierce , despisers fos those things which were good , traitors , heady , high-minded , l●vers o pleasures more then lovers of god : they have the forme of godliness but dney the power thereof : and people by them were ever learning , but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth : of this sort the apo●●le saw was coming , and would come more fully , and such are the teachers of this age , for they are of the world , living in pride and the wickedness of i● ; and the world hears them , such as themselves , proud and wicked people ; for they that fears god , and walks in his wayes , are departed from many of them , and they shew that they have no saith , but are departed from it ; for faith keeps from evil , from the wayes of sin and death , which they live in , and lies in ; abundance they speak , and in hypocrisie ; and their consciences are seared , that is plain , else they could not do as many of them doth , who causeth innocent people to be put in prison , and makes havock of their goods , who will not pay them tithes , or maintain them ; and they are the proudest of men , and as covetous as any , and unthankful and unholy they shew themselves to be , and they are false accusers and truce-breakers , for they hardly make any conscience of belying the people of god in the pulpits , or to the magistrates : and they are heady and high-minded , and if some of them be not treacherous , judge ye , who hath turned divers wayes in their judgements , according to the times ; and they have a form of godlinesse , but not the power ; prayes and sing● in a form , and preacheth in a form and method , & people are ever learnning by them , sixty years , or more or less , and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth , but dies in ignorance and blindnesse , without knowledge under them : and herein do they agree also with the false pro and antichrist which iohn saw to be come in , and such as the apostle saw , which were then coming in ; and they shew the very same spirit by the same works , and the same fruits which appears from them ; men of understanding may compare them , in all these things they do agree , and appears to be of that very stock and generation which the apostle prophesied of , for they were grievous wolves which should not spare the flock , which the apostle saw ; and these do not spare the flock , but even devours them , and no less then grievous wolves can they be said to be , for if a poor woman have but ten eggs in all the world , they will have one , in many parts of this nation , or but ten chickens they will have one , or but a fire in their house , they will have a penny for the smoke , and such like wolvish destroying wayes ; and if these be not grievous wolves , let all the world judge . and here is their treachery made manifest , while they say they preach the gospel in love to souls , yet its manifest they preach for love of money , for few or none of them preaches where there is no money ; and people are absolute blind that do not see them , for in all things they agree with the deceivers and false prophets of old , and shews that they be of the very same spirit ; and thus you see their own rule condemns them , and because they say the scripture is their rule , therefore i have thought good to lay them to it , and measure them by their own line , & all people may see wherin they are quite contrary to the ministers of christ , and wherein they wholly agree with the deceivers . let them hide themselves from this ●low if they can , & let them bring their arguments against this sentence , and let all their friends appear for them , and see if they can reverse this judgement which their own line hath judged them by , let them bring in'their plea and defend themselves for this , if it be possible , for in those things which i have named , and many other , it is manifest , that they fully agree with the deceivers , and disagree with the minister o christ , and by their fruits they are perfectly made manifest . again , christ spake in his daies , and the apostles in their dayes , that false prophets and deceivers should come into the world , and after them , and they gave discriptions what such they should be , and what fruit they should bring forth , as i have before mentioned in that 1 iohn 2. and it is plain that these deceivers & false prophets did come in , according as was prophesied ; for iohn said , by this we know it is the last times , for now are they come , which was many hundred years ago : i say , the deceiver and false prophets which christ prophesied of to come , mat. 24. came into the world many hundred years ago , as you may read , 1 iohn 2. and with this i shall conclude this particular , the teachers of this age by their fruits are proved already to be of that stock , and succeeders in the same works , by the same spirit of them which christ said should come , and which the apostle saw was then come , and so they did deceive many , as these do deceive many in the same way as them that went before them ; and so let it not be a thing incredible to the people of these nations , that many of these teachers which are called ministers , are deceivers generally ; but if there be any one that fears god among them , or loves truth and sincerity , it will be made manifest , and such i spare , and they shall be spared in the day of the lord ; but it i say , generally , and the main part of them , even they that bring forth these fruits before mentioned , which the false prophets brought forth , are not the ministers of christ , but deceivers , the scripture , their own professed rule doth prove them so ; for it must needs be that they must be the same men that they were , whose spirit they walk by , and whose fruits they bring forth ; and this cannot be avoided , they are the same trees that bring forth the same fruits ; and let no man blame me for saying such are deceivers , that preacheth for hire , and divines for mony , and goes for gifts and reward ; and that are called of men master , and have the chief place in the assemblies , and are covetous , and high-minded , and seeks for their gain from their quarter , with those things which i have mentioned , which are the same things wch the false prophets acted in ages past ; i say , i am not now to be blamed for saying these are deceivers , who are acting such things now in this age , as they acted then that were deceivers ; but if you blame any , begin with isaiah , and micah , and ezekiel , and christ and his apostles , and the rest of the holy men of god , for they are my examples in this , who did declare against them that brought forth such works as these do that i have declared against , and i have done the teachers of this age no wrong for judging them by their own line , and laying them to their own professed rule ; therefore do not rage at me , nor do not be offended at this ; for i have but compared them with the ministers of christ , and with the ministers of antichrist , and shewed wherein they do agree to the one , and disagree to the other ; and all people may see , and the light in all conciences may judge of what i have said , so that as i said at the first , i may again say , what think you ? was there ever such a generation of teachers ? i now answer , yea ; there was in the days of the true prophets ; and in the days of the apostles there were such as these are , which were deceivers ; and is the times of christ , there were such a generation as these are , who acted the same things by the same spirit , as these do at this day ; let them teply to this that will , my question is sober , and my answer is just and right , and i have dealt faithfully ; and you may read the scriptures that i have quoted for your own satisfaction ; for though they falsly say , the scripture is their rule , and accuseth us falsly that we deny the scripture , yet the scripture shall be judge between us in this matter ; and what i have done is not in envy to any mans person , neither in upbraiding them i● their wickedness , but i do it rather to shew them all their iniquities tha● they may repent , and this i have done in perfect love to all people , for the day is come that hath brought hidden things to light , and deceit and hypocrisie which hath layen hid , is now fully made manifest as a● noon day . but again secondly i answer , in some respects i do believe there were never such a generation of teachers as these are , for we do not read in a●l the scriptures concerning the false prophets , that they were so extreamly covetous and greedy of gain as these are , or that ever they took such desperate , wicked unlawful courses to get their maintenance , and compel people to pay them , as these teachers do , a very shame to rehearse it , and to their shame i do rehearse it , many a poor man in this nation hath been sued by them at the law , and put in prison by their means , and had their goods spoiled in a woful manner , for to maintain them , and to uphold them ; yea some hundreds of poor people in this nation , hath been dealt cruelly by , and unjustly with , because for conscience sake they have denyed to maintain them , to pay them tithes , or such like , this may be proved , that for five shillings unjustly claimed by them , they have taken goods by distraint to the value of five times so much , as cumberland and westmorland can witnesse , and many at this very day lies in holes and prisons by the means of the priests , who teareth the people as wolves doth the sheep ; it is even woful to be considered , what havock is made of some mens persons , and some mens goods , and all to maintain the teachers ; the like never was in any generation , as is brought forth in this generation in this particular ; and again their exceeding covetousnesse and greedinesse of lucre doth appear in that they claim wages of people , and do compel people to pay them wages after this manner as i have said , for which people they do no work , neither do these people receive any work done by them with whom they thus deal ; what thing can be more unjust under heaven , that they should compel people by a law to pay them , and thus punishes them if they will not , who set them not on work , and for whom they do no work ; neither doth the people like their work or love it , but knows it to be deceitful , and yet are compelled by a law to pay them ; they have such a way to get money , that no trades-man besides themselves like it , for they cause people , and compel people to buy their wares , and they compel people to pay for their commoditie , which hath none of it , nor loves it ; and this is more unjust then may be spoken , are they like ministers of christ ? or do they follow their example in these practices ? what do you judge ? all people bring in your verdict : or are they not like deceivers herein , even exceeding all that everwent before ; it is true they which preach the gospel should live on the gospel ; this argument we do own , but let these men be tryed , and see if by their preaching their gospel they have gained so much love in people as to maintain them without the law , and without compelling of maintenance and livelihood from them by a law ; let but the law cease to compel tithes , and other things , from people to maintain them , and see whether their gospel will maintain them or not , let but the magistrates hold their hands from causing people to pay them tythes by their orders and writs , & i 'le undertake , as i do believe they must either beg , or work , or a worse thing for a livelihood , or else perish , so little love is there in their own people towards them , so little love have they gained in the hearts of many people toward them these many years that they have preached ; & herein again i do believe that they do exceed all the false prophets : & all the deceivers that ever went before them in this respect , none ever had the magistrates to act for them as these have , and as it appears , the rulers some of them are at the wils of the teachers , to do for them what they desire , either to take peoples goods , or to send them to prison ; shewing that these teachers have not a spiritual weapon to defend themselves , but that the magistrates with their law are their chiefest armour , for if they can but get favour of a magistrate , they have allowance to preach at such a place , and if they can get the favour of the magistrate they can do well enough to be maintained , by causing such to be sent to prison , or taking treble dammages upon their goods if they wil not help to maintain them : and if they have the favour of the magistrate , if any do reprove them for these things , and for other of their wickednesse , and if any do but tell them of it , they can have such sent to prison , as in revenge , for speaking and reproving them for their wickednesse , hath some hundreds of innocent people suffered cruel imprisonments , and other cruel things in these nations , so that iniquity is upheld as it were by force and power : so that it is not their gospel that maintains them and gets them favour with the people , nor doth it defend them , but it is the command and warrant of the magistrate which doth all this : so when the magistrates ceaseth to approve them , to maintain them , and defend them , they must utterly fall into misery , and can neither be approved , maintained or defended any other way ▪ for because of this their wickednesse , god hath left them , and all honest true hearted people hath left them , therefore what a condition are the teachers in , who deserves not the love of men because they are so cruel-hearted towards them , and they deserve not the love of god , because they are so wicked against him ; and i might yet more fully describe & declare , wherein they do exceed the deceivers and false prophets of old ; but of this according as the lord moves and leadeth : and this may suffice to shew what they are by their works , and by the spirit that leads them , which appears not to be the spirit of god , but the spirit of antichrist . furthermore and besides all this that i have said , herein they do exceed the deceivers that are gone before ; for upon account the sum of their maintenance yearly in these nations being reckoned maybe about † fifteen hundred thousand pounds a year : oh wonderful ! is not this almost incredible , that the teachers should put the nation to such a charge as this , and yet people receives nothing answerable to it ? but all this money is spent for that which is not bread , and their labour wasted , and they have no profit thereby : this money might be made better use of , then to give it for deceiving the people : and if any doubt of this account , and shall think this is not like to be true , upon an even reckoning it may be proved and made appear considering how many parishes there is , and reckon what belongs to every priests parish , with what is given to the priests in ireland , which is abundance : these things are a shame to the ministry of christ , though the impudent teachers of these nations are void of shame herein . a reply to the priests plea , and an answer to their objections . vvhereas many of the priests of england , to hide themselves from the charge of being hirelings , they alledge these scriptures , the laborer is worthy of his hire , and the workman is worthy of his meat : but these scriptures will not serve to cover their shame in what is charged against them ; for this hire which christ allowes to the labourers , is but to remain in the same house in which they enter , eating and drinking such things as they give them ; with such who were worthy they were to remain , and to eat that which was set before them , and they laboured truly , and travelled up and down , and were truly worthy of meat for their work , and of this hire for their labor ; but this makes nothing for the lawfulness of so many pounds a year at a certain place , this is more then eating at a house which is worthy , to bargain with people for so much a year , and compelling people to pay by a law that do deny ; christ never instituted such a practice , neither can it be truly said that these called ministers do labor as the ministers of christ did ; and so this scripture is but wrested by them , when they bring it for proof of their practice for their hundred pounds a year , compelling some of it from the people , doth exceed eating and drinking to suffice nature , with such who are worthy ; so this scripture makes not for their turn , nor doth it justifie their practices . again , they object against and charge the words of paul , who said , he that preacheth the gospel shall live on the gospel , and that it was a small matter to reap carnal things from them unto whom they sowed spiritual things ; but this scripture makes not for them ; for as i have said , it s not the preaching of the gospel that , maintains them , but the magistrates with their law that compels maintenance from the people , & this is not to live on the gospel , for we allow as paul did , that they which preach the gospel should live on the gospel ; therefore let the magistrates cease with their power to cause people to pay them , and let all the world see if their gospel will maintain them , and let them reap their carnal things from them where they sow spiritual ; but they must reap as a free gift too , and not by compulsion , for so the apostle signifies , it is a small matter for any to reap carnal things where they sow spiritual things ; yet what is this to prove the lawfulnesse of bargaining with people for so much by the year , as these teachers of england do many of them , & will not preach except they have so much promised them before ; for it is right to reap after sowing , but it is a transgression to bargain to reap before they sow ; & these scriptures will not hide them nor defend them in their practice ; for if the magistrates did not compel from people maintenance by a law , the priests of this age would reap but little from anything that they sow , for there 's little love in the hearts of people towards them . also they object , he that plants a vineyard , may eat of the fruit thereof , and he that keeps a flock , may eat of the milk of the flock , this paul said though he would not make use of his power herein , but wrought with his hands , that the gospel might not be chargeable ; but what vineyards have the teachers . of england planted ? or what flocks do they keep ? their vinyards proves not tender grapes , but wild sowr grapes , wild vines , and not vines to bring forth acceptable fruits ; and their flocks proves not flocks of sheep , but wild rude people who are in the nature of wolves , and lyons , and if the magistrates law were not , their vineyard nor the flock would hardly yield them any maintenance ; the apostles planted first a vineyard , and gathered the sheep , before they reaped or eat any of the fruits , but the teachers of england differ from them in this , for they know what they must have before they plant , or before they seed their flock , and differs from the apostles practice who first planted a vineyard , and gathered a flock before they could receive any crop ; and they would not then use their power , but kept the gospel of christ without charge ; so that this scripture will not prove the priests actions lawful , in preaching for sums of mony : and some other scriptures they bring to prove the lawfulnesse of their preaching for hire , which may all be answered as these are , and whatsoever they can ob●ect wil not justifie them for their reaping carnal things , and their hire , and their eating of the milk of the flock , is quite of another nature , as is proved , then the apostles practices were ; and were the people wise they would see and understand these things , and not be deluded through perverting of scriptures , and through wresting of them to other ends the● wherefore they were given forth ; and this is written to answer some of their objections , whereby they would defend themselves ; for what though paul took of other churches to supply his necessities , as sometimes he did , yet this wil not prove the lawfulness of their hundreds of pounds by the year , most of which they spend in pride and idlenesse ; so that still this judgment is true upon them which i have given , all objections being answered , and all defences being made void ; and hereof they are guilty as i have charged them , and proved it out of the scripture ; they disagree to the ministers of christ , and agrees with the deceivers , and in some particulars exceeds them ; for i believe all the false prophets in israel did not destroy any whit near a million and a half of money in a year , considering all things it must come to little lesse , their funeral sermons , their great tythes , and small tythes , and marriages , and sprinkling of infants , and churching of women , with other such penuries claimed by the priests of england , with what is given to them out of the nations treasure , which is many hundred pounds a year ; also considering how much in a year is spent and consumed at two or three colledges in this nation , in r●lation to the ministry ; as in bringing some up to the attainment of the ministry ( as they call it ) and upon the educators of such , with a very great abundance of such like charges ; consumed out of the nations treasure , which is wasted , as in relation to this ministry spoken of : i do not speak against good education and learning , which is in its place a vertue , ( as for travellers and many others ) neither do i account such money vainly wasted and spent ; but only as to the ministry of christ , natural learning is not there admitted to make ministers , or to enable them thereunto ; but that money which is thereupon spent , is wasted and consumed ; and how much is spent in this way , and for such an end onely , i leave wise men to judge , which will make up a large sum in the whole : considering all things i say , their yearly maintenance may amount to fifteen hundred thousand pounds a year , which is a thousand thousands , and half a thousand thousand pound ; men of weak understandings can hardly reach , to know how much it is , and that makes me thus plainly expound it . a description of the true ministers of christ , and its maintenance . the day hath appeared that makes all things manifest , and the light is arisen , that gives to discern between tru●h & error , between the true and every false way , and between the worship of god , which is spiritual and every false worship of the world , which is idolatry ; and the true ministry of christ is known from the false ministry , by their several fruits and signs for hidden things are brought to light , and secret things are revealed , but now the people of the world , both the wise and the foolish thus they object , and say , seeing that you do so much condemn our ministry and ministers in their ca●l , in their practices , in their conversation , and in their maintenance ; what ministry do you own ? and what ministers do you allow of ? and whether would you have any ministry at all , seeing you throw down and declares against such as the law of the land sets up , and such as we have looked upon to be able ministers ? and after this manner the people of this generation begun to reason among themselves , saying , what would the people do if they had power ? what ministers would they approve of ? and what maintenance would they allow them ? to all this i do answer and say , the true ministers and ministry of christ we do allow of , and we would have set up and established , and we wait patiently till it be brought to passe , even such as are ordained by power from on high , and who have received the gift of the holy ghost ; who are called of god into the work of the ministry , such we do approve of to be ministers of christ , in whom he is revealed , and who have received him , and are changed by him from death to life , and out of darkness into the kingdom of the son of god , and who are born of the spirit , and are led and guided by it into all truth , and are called by it to follow the lamb whithersoever he goeth , & who are taught by it in all their practices of religion , and in the whole worship of god , such we own as have felt the operation of the spirit in themselves , and who have tasted , handled , seen , and felt of the word of life , which abides for ever , and such who goeth in the name of the lord to minister and declare freely what they have freely received of god by his spirit , and who preacheth christ freely , as the onely way and means of life and salvation unto all people , even such as ministreth him the way , the truth , and the life , the onely justifier and sanctifier , and deliverer of ●hem that believe , and the condemner of them that believe not ; and such as ministreth christ onely the teacher and leader of his people , and nothing else besides him ; and such we allow as onely seeketh and laboreth in the wisdome of god to bring people out of the wayes of sin and death , unto the knowledg of god , & to the things that belong unto their peace ; such who have no respect to large places , or great benefits , to seek after that , who will not have hire for preaching , nor be hired by great sums of money from one country to another ; such as makes the gospel of christ free , and without charge , who will not be burthensome to any , but walks in all wisdom , as examples of righteousnesse to all people ; whose conversati●ns are in heaven , and holdeth forth in life and practice , unto all men , what they professe in words , and by doctrine and conversation holding forth the light of the glorious gospel , which they have received from god , being patterns of all holinesse , of peace and long-suffering , of meeknesse and patience unto their flocks ; even such who walks in christ , and shews ●o●●h good works , and the fruits of his spirit , causing his light to shine forth among men , in humility , and sobernesse , and in all the fruits of peace and truth , and such are approved of god , and of the saints , even they that preach christ freely to all people , and holds forth the light of the world , which lighteth every one in the world , the free gift of god to all mankind , that all may believe and come to the knowledge of the truth , and be saved ; and 〈◊〉 ministers respects not the persons of any man for advantage , neither respects dayes , nor places , nor things , but worships god in spirit and in truth , and teacheth that worship unto all people , and they gather people into the new covenant , where christ is the high priest , and our bodies the temples of god , and the circumcision in the heart , and in the spirit , for such are ministers of the spirit and not of the letter , and they divided the word of god a right ; they feed the hungry , and the rich are sent empty away , they cry not peace to the wicked , neither doth justifie the unconverted ; neither do they condemn the righteous , nor such as are of an upright heart ; but christ they preach , to justifie all that do believe , and are obedient to him , and to condemn all that believe not , but are disobedient ; and such ministers hath the word of reconciliation , & their ministry is made effectual , to accomplish the work of god ; sinners are converted and brought to god thereby , and to be taught of him alone , and the saints through that ministry , may obtain to the holy ghost , and to need no man to teach them , but as the annointing within teacheth them , which they receive through the ministry , whose labour is , and the end of it , to present every man perfect in christ ; and this ministry , and such ministers we approve of , and they are approved of christ , and we would have them established , and who are such will not take care for an outward maintenance , neither what to eat , or what to put on ; neither will they petition to magistrates for tithes & augmentations , but are without care , as for a livelyhood in this world , they will not remove from one town to another , for a better parsonage or place ; for such as do so , are not the lawful called ministers of christ , but have run , & were never sent ; for christs ministers takes no thought for any outward maintenance , but approveth themselves in patience in all conditions , and sometimes are in want , and cold , and hunger , and nakednesse , and in persecutions , and tryals , and afflictions , and suffereth all things for the name of christ , and yet we do believe and know , that such have power to eat , and to drink , & may receive carnal things where they sow spiritual things , but as a free gift , and not by compulsion or force ; we do allow that the ministers of christ may eat of the milk of the stock , which they keep and feed , and they may eat of the fruit of the vineyard which they have planted , and which they labour in , and they may supply their necessities from them whom they have begotten in the faith , and whom they labour among in life and doctrine , who are sheep of the fold , and plants of the vineyard of christ jesus ; but i say as a free gift may they receive the fruits of their labours , and not as a debt , or any title claimed thereto by the law of the nation ; neither may they receive it by force or compulsion ; but who are the truly called ministers of christ are so far from this , or forcing maintenance from any , that they will not make use of their power , in taking what may be freely given them , for they will not make the gospel burthensome by any means , and this is the maintenance we do allow the ministers of christ ; they may eat such things as are set before them in any house which they enter into , which is worthy ; and they may supply their necessities in food and raiment , as a free gift from them whom the ministers are made stewards , to watch over them & to exhort them , to instruct them , and to edifie them ; but not from the world who continues in unbelief and disobedience to the gospel , may they receive any outward maintenance by compulsion , or by a free gift , neither may they receive great sums of mony by the year , or tithes , or other offerings to maintain themselves and their families in pride and idlenesse , and lust and excess , and superfluity in meats and apparel ; such a maintenance is by free gift , much lesse by force that is not allowed by christ and his saints , but is the maintenance of antichristian teachers , which never were sent of christ , and such cannot be content with his allowance and wages , but lives in pride and pleasures of this world , and in vanity ; and maintained they say they must be , and if they be so , they care not from whence it come , nor by what means ; and that is the reason wherefore so many hundreds of honest people are so spoiled in their persons and estates , the bodies of some being cast into prison and many others having their goods taken from them by force and distraint ; and all this is to maintain antichrists ministers , who neither cares how they have it , nor from whom , or to what evil use they improve it ; and this plainly appears in this nation , by many evidences , but the ministers of christ doth deny such a maintenance , and such practises , and are come to that life which judgeth all these things . and as concerning compelling of maintenance , and forcing of it from people , this is utterly against the law of christ , and condemned by him and denyed by the saints ; for it is unreasonable and no equality in it , that people should be compelled to maintain a ministry , especially such a one as they know is not the ministry of christ , neither is profitable to them , and which they receive no fruits from , for the ministers of christ doth not desire maintenance from the people of the world , neither can receive any from them , neither in justice and equity should the ministers of the world receive or compel maintenance from the saints by force and cruelty : but this we would , and this is reason and equitie , let all ministers be maintained by such as approves them , and hears them , and partakes of their labours , and so the saints will maintain their ministers , and the world may maintain theirs , and every sort of people may maintain such ministers as labours for them , and none to be forced to maintain such as they do not approve of , nor none hindred from maintaining of such , as they do approve of , be they true , or false ministers ; and this is reason and a good conscience , that every man be left free in such cases , to maintain whom he will , and to give as he will , and what he will ; and this is reason and equity , that no man be compelled to give , or hindred from giving to whom he pleaseth , and what he pleaseth , and so let people make choice of their ministers , whom they will approve and whom they will hear , and of whose labours they will receive , & then let them maintain them , and if any be compelled , let them be compelled to pay their own servants , who ministers to them and not anothers , for whom the● do no work ; and this is just and right both for ministers and people , that every minister be paid by them to whom he doth minister , and who receives him as a minister , and for whom he doth work ; and this great injustice and oppression in england will cease , if this law of equity and righteousnesse were established , and all people left free to hear and approve of whom they will , and then to pay them & maintain them ; and this would try the ministers , and who converted the most to god , and gained the love of most people , and if they wrought well they may receive a maintenance accordingly , by the free gift of the people ; and the ministers that are not content with this law , are out of pure reason and equitie , and sheweth that they dare not trust the lord , nor the fruits of their labors , but would be maintained in idleness , by unlawful means , by compelling maintenance from them to whom they do no work ; and such shews great covetousness , who desires more then the milk of their own flock , and the fruits of their own vineyard ; but in equity and justice let every minister be maintained by the fruits of his own labour , from the people for whom he doth labour , and this will content most part of the people ; and till this be established in the earth , truth , justice and judgment will be wanting in this particular ; and this is according to truth , and to a righteous law ; and by this all people may understand what ministers and ministry we do allow and approved , and how ministers ought to be maintained ; and if any go forth to a place and country , and among the people that are not converted , then the church ought to take care to maintain such in their work , till they may reap of their own labour , and eat of the fruit of their own vineyard , b●● all this ought to be without compelling or forcing by the minister ; for every minister of christ doth chiefly take care of the work unto which he i● called , and is without care for outward maintenance . the end . notes, typically marginal, from the original text notes for div a30530e-210 act. 1. 8. 4. 31. mat 10. 8. 1 joh. 1. 1. gal. ● . 1. acts 16. 4. 7. 11. 12. acts 17. 17. 1 cor. 4 11 1. joh. 1. 31. john . 1. 9 ▪ acts. 26. 18. 2 cor. 13. rev. 19. 13. luke 1. 1. eph 2 20. 1 cor. 2. 6. phil. 3. col. 1 28. rom. 8 , 37. rom , 6. 22. 1 thess. 5. 15. 2 thess. 3. 8. 1 cor. 11. 26. 22. acts 2. 4. acts 20 , 7. 1 cor. 14. 31. 1 pet. 4. 10. acts 21. 9. ier. 23. 28. 1 joh. 1. 1. 2 cor. 10. 16. 2. cor. 4 , 2. mat. 4. 19. 20. 21 mat. 9. 9. 2 cor. 12. 14. rom. 8. 14. 1 joh 2. acts 4. 17. 18. 19. heb. 11 , 37. 38. ier 23 , chap. mic. 3. chap. ezek. 13. ezek. 33 : chap. act 24. 1 , 2 , 4 6. mat. 26. 3. 4. amos 7. 10. jer. 20. 19. tit 1. 11. 2 pet. 2. chap. † 〈…〉 † at ware . 1 joh. 4. 5. mat. 24 , acts 20. 29. 1 tim. 4. 2 tim. 3. 2. 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8. † one million & five hundred thousand pounds per annum . luke 10. 7 , 8. truth defended, or, certain accusations answered cast upon us who are called quakers by the teachers of the world, and the people of this generation with a clear discovery who are the false prophets and when they came in, and how they may bee known, and who they are that deny christ and that preach another gospel ... / by one who is a labourer in the vineyard ... edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30558 of text r23840 in the english short title catalog (wing b6050). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 51 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 12 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30558 wing b6050 estc r23840 07915560 ocm 07915560 40394 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30558) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 40394) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 1199:19) truth defended, or, certain accusations answered cast upon us who are called quakers by the teachers of the world, and the people of this generation with a clear discovery who are the false prophets and when they came in, and how they may bee known, and who they are that deny christ and that preach another gospel ... / by one who is a labourer in the vineyard ... edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. mowgill, edward. 20 p. printed for thomas simmons, london : 1656. preface signed: edward mowgill. reproduction of original in the huntington library. eng society of friends -apologetic works. a30558 r23840 (wing b6050). civilwar no truth defended: or, certain accusations answered: cast upon us who are called quakers, by the teachers of the world, and the people of this burrough, edward 1656 10337 89 0 0 0 0 0 86 d the rate of 86 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the d category of texts with between 35 and 100 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 spi global keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-03 olivia bottum sampled and proofread 2004-03 olivia bottum text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion truth defended : or , certain accvsations answered : cast upon us who are called quakers , by the teachers of the world , and the people of this generation . vvith a clear discovery who are the false prophets , and when they came in ; and how they may bee known , and who they are that deny christ , and that preach another gospel : and who deny the scriptures , churches , ministers , and magistrates , whereby the magistrates and people of this nation may see they justifie that vvhich the scripture condemns , and condemns that vvhich the holy men of god justified , and may read their example , and our example through the scriptures . by one who is a labourer in the vineyard , who is not known to the world , though named of the world , edward burrough . london , printed for thomas simmons , at the sign of the bull and mouth neer aldersgate , 1656. the epistle . to all you who call your selves ministers of the gospel , and all people in all relations under what form of worship soever in england , or in all the world , who profess your selves christians . the mighty day of the lord is come , according as he promised of old , and this day is witnessed , wherein he is establishing his mountain , and exalting it above all mountains , and is gathering his people which have been scattered in the dark and long night of apostacie , which christ and his apostles saw coming into the churches then , and hath had dominion long over the world , and hath reigned till now , and reignes now in all the professors in all forms everywhere . but now the time is come wherein the kingdoms of the world are become the kingdoms of the lord , and of his christ ; and thousands witness it to the praise of his everlasting name . and therefore the nations are angry and the princes of the earth , because michael our prince is arisen to plead with all who make war against him . and now h●r●d and pilate and all jerusalem are in an uproar , and amnion and amaleck and the egyptians and the philistines are joined now against him . and all you who live in forms , and know not the power , do now persecute and joine your selves together being in the same nature as the persecutors of old which were born after the flesh . and now you sons of bondage and of hagar are to be cast out ; and now you are all made manifest that you are in the flesh ; for all your bows are bent , and all your arrows are shot at a people which are accounted by you as the filth of the world , and as the off ▪ scouring of all things whom the world calls quakers , in whose fore-heads is written the name of the living god ; and unto you i say that make war against them , and now take part with the dragon against the lamb , you shal all drink of the cup of fury and indignation of the lord . and unto the living god who is holy and jealous for his own glory and his name , which hath manifested his minde and will by his eternal spirit unto us , shall you all bow and stoop . for now the lord hath rent the vail of the covering which hath been spread over all the nations in all professions ; and you are all seen by the eternal eye which is opened in thousands ; even all from the highest to the lowest , who have stollen and painted your selves with other mens words . and all your images which you have set up , and all your traditions from men in which you have walked , are all seen to be stubble , and will not abide in the day of the lord . and all your churches which you have gathered together by imitation from the letter shall all be scattered ; and there you all are , for you all deny revelation , and say it is ceased ; and so you call the letter the light and the word : but with that which was before the scripture you are seen and judged , even with that which shall endure for ever . and seeing you have cast reproach upon the name of the god of heaven and earth whom we worship , and which you call delusion : for the truths sake are we moved to lay open your nakedness , that you may be judged by that which you say is your rule . here in this little book thou who hast any honesty in thee , or any desire of truth and wilt search the scripture , thou wilt see that all the teachers of the world in all forms , and all professors ever cryed out ( who had but the form ) against them who had the life and power , as you all do now against them who worship god in the spirit , and have no confidence in the flesh : and therefore in this following discourse which is written by the same spirit that gave forth the scripture , thou shalt see who are the false prophets , and who they are that preach another gospel , and who they are that deny the scriptures ; and thou may see when the false prophets came in , and who they are clearly proved to be by their own rules . and all you who call your selves magistrates and christians , you may see your selves to hold up that which christ , the prophets and apostles cryed out against , and persecute them who stand in the counsel of god , and them that declare against all the deceit , as the holy men of god did : and so you are the beast which holds up the false prophets and those whom the scripture declareth against . god is arisen to dash to pieces al them vvho withstand him : and therefore come out of babylon , and out of all your painted forms , and come to own the first principle which wil change your mindes , even the light of christ which he hath enlightned every one withal ; and by it you shall see what you are doing . now if you deny this , you deny the corner-stone , and you stumble and shall be broken ; and by that which you call natural shall all your image of gold and silver , and all your mixed invented worship be dashed to pieces and be for the pit. therefore all be silent and speak not evil of those things you know not ; for now you are all seen , you who say you are jews and are not , but are of the synagogue of satan , and your voice is known , for none is turned from the evil of his way ; and therefore is wrath coming upon you to the utmost . a lover of your souls , but am a witness against all your deceit francis howgill . whereas we are accused by the teachers and people of this generation , that we are false prophets and deceivers ; and that we deny the christ which dyed at jerusalem ; and that we preach another gospel then the apostles preached ; and that we deny the scrip●ures and the ordinances of jesus christ ; and that we hold free-will , and establish self-righteousness , and teach people to act in their own strength to obtain life ; and that we deny churches , ministers and magistracie . to these false accusations i answer : it is no new thing , nor no strange thing to the children of light , who are seperated from the world and worldly-worships , and from the works of darkness , to be accused falsly , and to be slandered , by being called deceivers and seducers by the generation of chief priests and pharisees ; in which generation are the teachers and professors of this age , who have a form of godliness , but deny the power . christ was called a deceiver and a blasphemer ; and the apostles were called movers of sedition , hereticks , and turners of the world up-side down , by them who professed in word what christ was in substance , & what the apostles witnessed , and so it is now . we who are scornfully called quakers , do live in and declare forth no o●her thing but the substance of what the priests have preached upon and the professors have talked upon in their carnal mindes by their imaginations . he is a false prophet and a deceiver which hath not the word from the mouth of the lord but takes that which the lord spoke to another , and calls it his , and useth his tongue and saith , the lord saith it , when the lord never spake to him : and here are the teachers of the world themselves guilty of that whereof they falsly accuse us ; for they take the prophets words , christs and the apostles words to talk upon , but have not received the word from the mouth of the lord : and their prophesie and preaching would soon be ended if they had not the scripture which is other mens words , and that which was spoken to others to speak their imaginations from : and these are the false prophets and deceivers which run and are not sent ; which speak to others pretending to be sent of god , but walking contrary to all that ever god sent to declare his name in former generations , and so are known to us by their fruits , having no example from the prophets , christ nor his apostles for their practice ; but do walk in the example of the false prophets of israel , of the scribes and pharisees , and of the false brethren . o foolish people which have eyes and see not ; which have hearts and do not understand : is the lord changed from what he was ? were they false prophets and deceivers in isaiahs time which he was sent to cry out against , which sought for their gain from their quarter ? and are not your teachers false prophets now which act the same things ? were they false prophets & deceivers in ezekiels time which he was sent to cry against , that fed themselves with the fat and clothed themselves with the wool , and made a prey upon the people ? and are not your teachers false prophets and deceivers now which act the same thing ? were they false prophets in micahs time which he was sent to cry out against , which preached for hire and divined for money , and cryed peace to them that put into their mouths , but prepared war against them that did not ? and are not your priests false priests and prophets which act the same things ? vvere they deceivers of the people in christs time which he cryed woe against , which were called of men masters , and which had the chief place in the assemblies , and which stood praying in the synagogues , and which went in long robes , and which loved greetings in the markets ? and are not your teachers deceivers of the people now which are found acting the same things ? vvere they false teachers and false brethren in the apostles time which they declared against , which through covetousness with feigned words made merchandise of the people , and went in the way of balaam for gif●s and rewards , and preached for filthy lucre , and which paul saw come and coming in his dayes , which were proud men , covetous men , self-willed and fierce men , heady , high minded men , having a form of godliness , but denying the power which alwayes taught people , but none were able to come to the knowledge of the truth under their teaching ? and are not your teachers false teachers now , who walk in the same steps ? to the light in all consciences i do speak , which wil witness the truth ▪ a sottish and ignorant people , which cannot discern who the false prophets , and deceivers , and false teachers are ; the lord is the same as ever he was , and his spirit is no whit changed ▪ vvas it once an abomination to the lord in the false pries●● and prophets of israel to seek for their gain from their quarter , and to feed themselves with the fat , and clothe themselves with the wool and make a prey upon the people ; & to preach for hire and to divine for money ; and are not these things and they that uphold them abomination to him now ? did the spirit of the lord in his servants declare against these things then , and against them that upheld them then ; and must not the same spirit where it is made manifest declare against these things and against them that uphold them now ▪ vvas it once an abomination in the sight of christ in them to be called of men master , and to have the chief places in the assemblies , and to stand praying in the synagues , &c. and are not these things an abomination to him now in whom they are upheld ? did christ cry vvoe against such things , and against them that upheld them then ; and must not the spirit of christ where it is made manifest cry wo against such things , and against them that uphold them now ? were these marks of false teachers then to make merchandise of the people , and to go in the way of balaam for gifts and rewards , and for filthy lucre , and to be proud , covetous , heady , ●●gh-minded , self-willed and fierce men ? and are not they 〈◊〉 teachers now which bear these marks ? did the apo●●les give warning to beware of such , and to turn away from 〈◊〉 then ? and must not the same spirit where it is made ma●ifest , give warning to beware of such , and to turn away from 〈◊〉 now ? we witness to have received according to measure , the spirit of the prophets from which they spoke , and the spirit of the apostles from which they spoke , which is christ made manifest in us , and happy are all they that receive our testimony . for by the same spirit of christ do we declare against these abominations now , as the holy men of god did then : for god and his spirit is the same as ever was , and what he once hated he hates for ever ; and no other christ do we declare forth , which we witness to be made manifest within , but that christ which dyed at jerusalem , which suffered by the chief priests and elders of the people ; he was and is the true christ , which said , he was the light of the world ; and was the light which had enlightned every one that comes into the world ; and which said , except a man would deny the world and take up his daily cross and follow him , he could not be his disciple ; and which cried wo against them which were called of men masters , and that had the chief places in the assemblies , and that stood praying in the synagogues , &c. and they who denyed him to be the light of the world , and which took not up the cross , and which were called of men masters , and had the chiefest places in the assemblies , and stood praying in the synagogues , and went in long robes , these were anti-christs , and were acted by a contrary spirit then the true christ . and here again , i charge all the teachers and people , ( in the presence of the lord god , who deny christ to be the light in every one which reproves for sin ) and who are called of men masters , and stand praying in the synagogues , and go in long robes , and who uphold such things , and who take not up the daily cross of christ , but live at liberty in their wills and desires , that they are antichrists , and that their spirit is not the spirit of the true 〈◊〉 which died at jerusalem , but the spirit of a false christ ▪ and so they are guilty of that themselves , whereof they falsly accuse us ; and the same christ do we witness which the saints of old witnessed , whose blood cleansed them from all sin , and i● whose power they had power over sin , death and hell . and here again i charge the teachers and people , who say that the saints must not be cleansed from sin , nor cease to commit sin while they are on the earth , that the christ which the● profess is not the christ which dyed at jerusalem , but a ●●●●rit contrary , and not the christ which the saints witnessed ▪ and all the people are blinde which cannot see these things ▪ did the true christ once say , he was the light of the world , of every man that comes into the world ? and is that his spirit in the teachers and professors now , which saith , every man hath not the light of christ in them ? was that the true christ which said , except you take up my cross daily , you cannot be my disciples ? and is that his spirit in the teachers & people that hath its liberty , & live in pride , in lust , & in vanity & their own wills ? was that the true christ which cried wo against them that were called of men master , and that had the chief place in the assemblies , and stood praying in the synagogues , &c. and is that his spirit in the teachers and people which act and uphold those things ? was that the true christ which the saints witnessed , by whose blood they were cleansed from sin , and had power over sin ? and is that his spirit i● the teachers and people , which saith the saints must not be cleansed from sin , nor cease to commit sin while they are o● earth ? oh blinde and ignorant people , who cannot discer● between the true christ and antichrist , which is contrary to christ , & which leads now to act and speak contrary to what the true christ once acted and spoke : and no other gospel do we preach , but that which the apostle preached , which they received not from nor by man , but by the revelation of jesus christ , which was contrary to man , and which suffered by man for the preaching of it , who preached to the spirit in prison to redeem the captives , and by which the fleshly man was judged in the flesh , that man might live according to god in spirit : & this gospel we witness to have received not from man , but by the revelation of jesus christ , which is contrary to man , for which we are persecuted and suffer by man : neither do we speak to the wisdom and reason , but we preach to the spirits in prison , that the fleshly man may be judged in the flesh , that man may live according to god in the spirit ; this will many witness with us , that by the preaching of our gospel , liberty is brought to the captives , and the fleshly man is judged , and the spirit which was in prison is set free . and here again i charge the teachers of this generation , that their gospel which they preach is not the gospel which the saints preached , but another gospel , & they are guilty of that themselves whereof they falsly accuse us ; for they have received their gospel from man and by man , from the printers and stationers , and are made ministers of it by the will of man , at schools and universities ; and their preaching is in the will of man , a limited time and place ; neither do they suffer by man , but are set up with man , and feeds the wisdom and reason of man ; and the fleshly man is not judged , nor the captives redeemed by their gospel which they preach ; here they are accursed which preach another gospel , as saith the scripture . and ye are a blinde and ignorant people which cannot see these things : did they that preached the true gospel receive it contrary to the will of man ? and can it now be received by the will of man ? did they which preached it suffer for it by man ? and can they now who preach it be set up by man who lives in the same persecuting nature ? did the true gospel once judge the fleshly man , and lead to live according to god in the spirit ? and doth it now give liberty to the fleshly man to live after the flesh in the lusts of it , as the teachers and professors of this generation do , who profess the gospel , but are discovered not to be come to the law ? and the scriptures we own to be a true declaration of the life which they lived in which spoke them forth ; and by the same spirit from which they were spoken ( which we have received ) do we set to out seals that they are true ; and the scripture is ours who wal● in the life of it ; proud men spoke it not forth , nor they that sought for their gain from their quarter ; nor they that preached for hire ; nor they that were called of men master but persecuted them that spoke it forth , and denied it when it was spoken . and here again i charge it upon the teachers and professors of this generation , that they deny the scripture , and are guilty of that themselves whereof they falsly accuse us ; for they say , none must be perfect upon the earth ; when as the scriture declares of such as were perfect upon the earth : and they say , none must be free from sin when as the scripture declares of such as were free from sin , & were the servants of righteousness : ●hey say christ hath not enlightned every one ; the scripture saith he is the light of the world , and hath enlightned every one , &c. can they now who live in the same persecuting nature , & walk in the same steps as they did which persecuted them who spoke forth the scripture ( as the teachers and people do ) own the scriptures in truth ? their professing of the scripture is as theirs was , which made a great profession of it in the outward appearance , but put him to death who had the life , and was the substance of it . they then , as the teachers of the world do now , denyed the spirit and life which gave forth the scriptures . and the ordinances of jesus christ we own and witness , preaching , praying , baptism , communion , singing , and whatsoever was ordained for his saints to practice in life and power ; we witness these things in the eternal substance , having passed through the earthly figures , which was but to stand for its time ; by the eternal have we been led , by the command of it within us , and not by tradition from the scripture without us . and we deny all such who have taken up these things in their own wills , by conforming the outward man to the outward letter , & have not entered in at the door . true preaching we own , & do witness it wch is the cross of christ , and the power of god unto salvation or condemnation , it is foolishness to the world and its wisdom now as ever it was , & we deny all speaking of imiginations from the scripture , which is in the wisdom of the world , and which stands in the will of man , limited to a set-time , or day , or place . prayer by the spirit and in the spirit we own and witness , which is not limited to a time and place . and we deny all the worlds formal customary preaching and praying for a pretence . baptisme we own and witness , which is with one spirit into one body , into the death of christ : and we deny all baptisms which are imagined and imitated by conforming the outward man to the outward letter , which is but a likeness of the true baptism : communion we live in , which is in the light by the spirit , which will endure eternally : and we deny the worlds imitation , which is in word and declaration , and visible carnal things which will pass away . singing which is with the spirit and with understanding of the redeemed of the lord , we own and witness ; but the worlds singing in rime and meeter , proud men singing , that they are not puft in minde : and prophane men singing , that the law of god is dear to them ; this singing we deny , for it must be turned into howling , the lord hath said it . and here again i charge it upon the teachers of the world , that they deny the substance and power of what christ commands his saints to practice by , upholding their own imitations , and so deceiving the simple : but where the substance is witnessed , the figure is denyed , and the false imitations are discovered and denyed : and mans free-will we we do deny , for the will of man shall never e●ter to god 〈◊〉 leads out from god into the lust and into the flesh , and keeps in the power of the devil : and man hath free-will unto that which is evil , but not to that which is good , and all who follow christ the light of the world , must deny their ovvn vvil ▪ and take up the cross of christ vvhich is to the will , and vvalk in the light contrary to the vvil , in the strait vvay vvhich leads unto life , vvhich is out of the vvill of man in the vvill of god , vvhich the vvill of man doth resist and oppose . and i charge it upon the teachers and professors vvho do not vvitness the daily cross of christ , that they live in their ovvn free-vvil , and holds it up , and are led by it into pride and covetousness , and the lusts of the flesh vvhich stand in the vvill : and here they are guilty of that themselves vvhereof they falsly accuse us , living in their ovvn free-vvil , and vvalks not in the daily cross of christ . and self-righteousness we have denied , and have seen it in the same light vvhich isaiah did , to be as filthy rags ; and vve declare against it , and against them vvhich live in it ; for self must not be saved , it is accursed from god ; it is vvholly unrighteous ( and makes the best of actions so ) and is , and must be cast out from god , christ jesus made manifest and revealed in us is our righteousness , and ●elf is judged and condemned by him vvho is made unto us righteousness ; neither do vve teach people to labour in their ovvn strength to obtain life ; but do direct people to the light of christ vvithin them , vvhich vvalking in , vvill be strength to them to lead them to life , the light vvhich is of christ , to vvhich vve direct all to vvait in to be taught by ; it vvil load out of self-righteousness , and from under the povver of self , to vvitness the povver of god to lead , and to act & to vvitness christ iesus revealed the righteousness of god ; and the church vvhich is in god , vvhich is the body of christ , vvhereof christ is head , vve vvitness , and are members of it , gathered and joyned by the eternal spirit , and not by tradition in the wisdome of man . and we deny all the worlds churches , whereof they were made members by visible things without , and gathered by traditions ( and not by the spirit ) whereof the serpent is head ( and not christ ) and which is the body of antichrist , some of whom commits idolatry in an idols-temple ; and the ministry of this church we deny , for it stands in the will of man , and the ministers of it are such as all the servants of the lord witnessed against ; the churches , the ministry and the ministers are contrary to god ; but the ministry which is to the seed , which is out of the will of man , we own and witness , which ministers life unto life , and death unto death , and divides the word aright ; judgement to the fat and to the strong , and feeds the hungry , and looseth the bars of wickedness , and breaks not the bruised reed , nor quencheth the smoaking flax ; this ministry we deny not , but are friends unto it ; and who are ministers here , we have union withal ; but proud men , and such as are called of men master , are cast out of this ministry , and are ministers to the body of antichrist , and know not the mystery of the ministry of jesus christ , which is to the spirit in prison . magistrates and magistracie we deny not , but do give respect unto for conscience sake ; for who bears the sword of justice , who use their power to be a terror to the wicked , and for the praise of them that do well , are ministers of god , and we desire that there were more magistracie here , and that the magistrate would more use his power to be a terror to lyers , to swearers , to drunkards , to railers ; to false accusers , and to proud men and oppressors , this we are friends unto : but to such as act by their own wills in corrupt laws , and do thereby violence to the innocent , and strengthens the hands of evil doers , we cannot be subject , but choose rather ( then to transgress the law of god which is written in our hearts , by submitting to such mens wills and laws ) to suffer by the corrupt wills of men , under corrupt laws for a moment . and thus i have answered those false accusations which are cast upon us , and do declare it to be the same spirit in the teachers and people of this generation which accuseth us ▪ a● it was in the scribes and pharisees which accused christ and his disciples . and this the scripture witnesseth unto , as they did unto him , so would they do unto us . a further answer to that accusation , of being false prophets and deceivers . jesus christ prophesied and said , that in the last dayes should many false prophets arise , and should deceive many , if it were possible the very elect . now the teachers and people of this generation do say , that we ( who by the world are called quakers ) are those false prophets and deceivers which christ prophesied of ▪ of this their false accusation have they drunkards , lyars , swearers , and all the ungodly people in every profession to witness them . but their accusation , and their witnesses we do deny , though they preach it among the people for doctrine . and now in answer to this false accusation and slander , i am moved to write a little , and shall to that principle of god in every mans conscience clear my conscience , and declare what i know from god concerning those false prophets ; who they are , when they came in , and how they may be known , and shall leave it to every honest heart to consider of . the apostles and ministers of jesus christ saw the same false prophets which christ prophesied of to be come , and coming in their dayes , before a quaker was heard of : iohn said , by that they knew it was the last time : for said he , even now are there many antichrists , and false prophets gone out into the world ; such were they , who confessed not christ to be come in the flesh , and they were of the world , and spoke of the world , and the world heard them . now here i charge it upon the teachers of the world , that they are of that generation which went out into the world then ; for as they then confessed not christ to be come in the flesh , so these uphold those things which were under the law , which was before christ came in the flesh outwardly ; and so confesse● christ not to be come in the flesh , and ●o they are antichrist . they uphold an outward temple and an outward worship , and take tythes , as the priests under the law did , as a type and figure of christ , but when he was come and sacrificed , these things ( which were to stand for a time ) were put to an end . and none who witnessed christ come , and were sent by him to preach the gospel , did uphold those things , but witnessed forth the substance , and denied the figure ; they denied the outward temple , and witnessed they were the temples of god , and that god dwelt in them , and denied the outward worship , and witnessed the worship of god in spirit and in truth within them , ( for ●ho worshipped without , worshipped they knew not what , as they do now ) they denied to take tythes , but lived of the gospel , and said , they that preach●● , should live of it ; but the teachers of this generation are of the world , living 〈◊〉 pride , lusts and vanities ; and they who live in the same worldly nature uphold 〈◊〉 , and ●ears them . iohn also said , every spirit that confesseth not christ to be come 〈◊〉 , is antichrist . and here i charge it upon the teachers of the world , ●● their spirit of pride , and covetousness , and envy , and hypocrisie which rules in 〈◊〉 , is the spirit of antichrist , and confesseth not christ to be come in the flesh ; ●here he is made manifest , and come in the flesh , this spirit is destroyed ; for ( as 〈◊〉 the scripture ) he was made manifest to destroy the works of the devil . paul was 〈◊〉 witness of the false prophets and deceivers which christ prophesied of in his 〈◊〉 for he gave warning to beware of such , and to turn away from such whom he 〈◊〉 then come , and coming in , but came more fully in after his dayes ; he said of 〈◊〉 sort , they were lover ; of themselves , covetous , proud , heady , high-minded , fierce men 〈…〉 of those that were good , given to filthy lucre , and to pleasure , and were fals 〈◊〉 and blasphemers , and without natural affection , and unthankful , and unholy , and 〈◊〉 ●illy women , who were led with divers lusts , but were not able to come to the know●●● of the truth by their teaching : they were men of corrupt mindes , and reprobate 〈◊〉 saith . and here again i charge it upon the teachers of the world , that they are this generation which came in then ; for they are lovers of themselves , they take 〈◊〉 of poor people to whom they are more able to give ; and they are proud and 〈◊〉 men , they go in their ribbons and cuffs , and gaudy attire ; & they preach them where they can get most money ; and some takes money of them , and sues 〈◊〉 at the law to whom they preach not at all : they are heady and high minded ●word , for poor people bow to them in the streets , and call them masters : they are 〈◊〉 men , and despise those that are good ; if any speak against them , ( of the truth ) 〈◊〉 are fierce against , and despise such : and they are given to filthy lucre , and are 〈◊〉 of pleasure , for where they can have most money , there they will abide ; and 〈◊〉 live in pleasure , in idleness , and lust and vanity ; they are false accusers , they 〈◊〉 c●ll them deceivers , which are not ; and that blasphemy , which is not ; and 〈◊〉 are blasphemers , and without natural affection . they say the letter is the vvord , and the scripture the light , which is contrary to the scripture , for god is 〈◊〉 vvord , and christ is the light ; and they will suffer the rude multitude , and 〈◊〉 will set them upon it , to hale , beat , and strike out of their assemblies , which is 〈◊〉 natural affection : they are unthankful and unholy ; they have great sums 〈◊〉 money from the people , and are not thankful , but compel them by a law to pay 〈◊〉 ; and herein they are unholy by their actions which are declared , which is op●●ession ; and they ●each alwayes , but men and women are ignorant still , and none 〈◊〉 to come to the knowledge of the truth by them ; and they have a form of godliness ; they profess the scriptures that the children of the lord are taught of the lord , and that christ said , take no thought what to eat , nor what to drink , nor wherewith to be clothed , but who witness themselves taught of god , and that they need no man to teach them ; and that take no care what to eat , nor what to drink , nor what to put on , and so witness the promise of god , and abide in the doctrine of christ , these you call deceivers , and idle and careless persons , and thus deny the power of what they have professed ; and herein their mindes are corrupt and reprobate concerning faith ; for faith is the substance , and purifies the heart from 〈◊〉 things which they are guilty of . and peter and iude also were witnesses of those ●●●ceivers and false prophets which christ prophesied of in their time ; for they 〈◊〉 such were come , and coming in , which should bring in d●mnable heresies , 〈◊〉 through covetousness , with feigned words , make merchandise of the people , 〈◊〉 walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness , and despise government and 〈◊〉 on : presumptuous are they , self-willed , they are not afraid to speak evill of 〈◊〉 ; they speak evil of the things that they understand no● ; they have eye● 〈◊〉 adultery , and that cannot cease from sin , beguiling unstable souls ; an heart 〈◊〉 have exercised with covetous practises ; cursed children , which have forsaken 〈◊〉 right way , and are gone astray , following the way of balaam , who loved the 〈◊〉 of unrighteousness , they themselves are the servants of corruption ; ungodly ●●●turning the grace of god into lasciviousness , and defile the flesh ; these are 〈◊〉 , complainers , walking after their own lusts , and their mouths speaking 〈◊〉 swelling words , having mens persons in admiration because of advantage ; there 〈◊〉 they who separate themselves , sensual , having not the spirit . and here agai● charge it upon the teachers of this age , that they are of that generation 〈◊〉 came into the world then ; for they have brought in , and do uphold damnable 〈◊〉 , telling people , that sprinckling infants with water is the baptism into the 〈◊〉 and that singing davids experiences in rime and meeter , is singing to the glory 〈◊〉 god ; and that a house of stone is the temple and church of god , these are 〈◊〉 heresies ; and they do through covetousness make merchandise of the people if they can get money at another place , thither they will go ; and thus people 〈◊〉 their merchandise : they walk after the flesh in the lusts of uncleanness ; 〈…〉 in pride and in lust , and some of them will be drunk , and lye , and swear , and 〈◊〉 uncleanly ; and they despise the saints government and dominion ( for they 〈◊〉 in the wayes of the world , in the customs and traditions of men , and follow their own wills ) and whom the spirit of god governs , and hath dominion over , 〈◊〉 christ for their example , whose government and dominion they are under ; 〈◊〉 they live in pride , lust and vanity , and according to the flesh , and herein they d●●spise government and dominion , and speak evill of this dignity , and of the ●●●teries of god revealed in his saints , which they know not , nor understand not , calling it error : they are presumptuous and self-willed ; they have presumed to 〈◊〉 themselves ministers of christ , and all the towns where they live , must serve , 〈◊〉 be subject to their wills ; and they are adulterated from god after honor and riches , and the vanities of the world ; and they cannot cease from sin themselves ; 〈◊〉 they say , none must cease from it while they are on the earth ; and herein they beguile many souls ; for , till sin be ceased from the soul , it is beguiled ; they 〈◊〉 heart exercised with covetous practises , and they follow the way of balaam , and 〈◊〉 for gifts and rewards , and love the wages of unrighteousness : they take money 〈◊〉 poor people for sprinkling infants and for burying the dead , which are cove●●● practises : they take money for hens and eggs , and for smoak passing up the chimney , which are unrighteous wages ; and thus they have forsaken the right way , the way of god , and of all the saints which spoke forth the scripture ; and in the●● things they are servants of corruption , and are ungodly men , and turn the grace of god ( which shines in their consciences , which shews them their ungodly wayes ) laciviousness ; and through their lust they defile the flesh : and many of them murmure and complain for want of wages , even to spend upon their lusts ; and speak great swelling words , speaking of the fame of christ , of his life and 〈◊〉 , and resurrection , but cannot witness by the spirit of christ within them what 〈◊〉 speak of him : and they have mens persons in admiration , because of 〈◊〉 : some of them had the bishops in admiration , and some the king in 〈◊〉 , and now they have others who bear rule in admiration ; and thus they 〈◊〉 have twined to admire mens persons onely because of adventage ; many 〈◊〉 them have separated themselves , none who are not of their judgement , must joyn 〈◊〉 them in their worship ; but neither they nor their separates have the spirit of 〈◊〉 living god , but do deny an infallible spirit : & they are sensual in their wisdom , ●●ways , and practices , and these have deceived many , even whole nations . and here you see plainly when the deceivers and false prophets came in ; they 〈◊〉 come , and coming in , in the apostles days , and then was the prophesie of 〈◊〉 fulfilling and fulfilled : and the apostles suffered under tyrants , and were 〈◊〉 to cruel deaths , and then they came in more fully ; for since the apostles days , 〈◊〉 been a great apostacy , and many forms of worship and ways of religion 〈◊〉 been imitated from the letter through imaginations , and but one generation 〈◊〉 teachers , though one above another , in the comprehension and sensual wis●●● , and at enmity one against another , though all in one birth and nature . but 〈◊〉 are all discovered by the light , praises ( from all that know god ) to him for 〈◊〉 . since the apostles days hath darkness been spread over all , though the lord 〈◊〉 some which he preserved for himself in the midst of apostacy and darkness ; ●ho the false prophets are which christ prophesied of to every honest heart and 〈◊〉 eye , may be known ; christ said , by their fruits should they be known ; and 〈◊〉 fruits of the teachers of the world , are plainly made appear to be the fruits 〈◊〉 deceivers , and not of the minister of christ ; none have gathered grapes nor 〈◊〉 from them . and thus i have cleared my conscience in the presence of god concerning the false slander and accusation which the teachers and people of the world do cast upon us ; and to that in every ones conscience it is made appear who they are to whom this accusation justly belongs . woe unto all you who strive against the lord , and justifie that which the holy men of god , which spoke forth the scripture , in the scripture declared against ; and which condemn that which the holy men of god in the scripture justified , and witnessed for : you who live in pride , in covetousness , in double-dealing , and in hypocrisie , and in the lusts of the flesh ; you strive against the lord god , and against the light of god which is in your consciences , which shews you these things to be sin ; you resist the drawings of the father , which would draw you by the light to follow the son . wo and desolation is to come upon all you who will not be ●aught by the light of christ which he hath lightned you withal ; which light all the holymen of god were taught by , who gave forth the scriptures , but do set ●p teachers without you , such as all the holy men of god , the prophets , christ and his apostles declared against . oh blinded , stiff-necked people , which are not ashamed to call such ministers of christ , and of the gospel ( and by your corrupt wills and laws to defend 〈◊〉 which seek for their gain from their quarter , and which feed themselves 〈◊〉 fat , and clothe themselves with the wool ; and which pre●ch for hire , and 〈◊〉 for money , and prepare war against them that put net into their mouths ▪ 〈◊〉 you justifie such as the prophets of the lord were sent to cry against , and 〈◊〉 isai●h , ezekiel , and micah , to be true prophets ; for i● you did believe that 〈◊〉 spoke from the mouth of the lord , the word of the lord , and understood 〈◊〉 they spoke , then would you not uphold them which act those things which 〈◊〉 declared against ; for that which was abomination to the lord then , is abo●●tion to him now ; and that spirit which declared against these things then , 〈◊〉 uphold them now . and here the teachers and people are tryed , not to have the same spi●i● 〈◊〉 was in the holy prophets of the lord , but the spirit of the false prophets , 〈◊〉 by it that which they acted , which the true prophets cryed against ; and 〈◊〉 by upholding that which the lord sent his servants to declare against you 〈◊〉 against the lord , ye magistrates and people . and you are not ashamed to 〈◊〉 such ministers of christ which ( walke in the same steps and act those things 〈◊〉 they did , which christ cryed woe against ) are called of men masters , and 〈◊〉 the chiefe places in the assemblies , and stand praying in the synagogues , and 〈◊〉 in long robes , and love greetings in the markets , as they did : here you 〈◊〉 such as christ cryed wo against , and deny that christ spoke the truth what 〈◊〉 the minde of his father , or understood it not ; for if you did believe that he 〈◊〉 the will of his father , then would ye not uphold these tha● act the same 〈…〉 which he cryed wo against . and he charges not , that which he once cryed 〈◊〉 the same spirit where it is witnessed , cries against the same things . and here 〈◊〉 the teachers of the world are tryed not to have the spirit of christ , but the 〈◊〉 of the scribes and pharisees , who act that which they acted , which he cryed 〈◊〉 ●●gainst . and herein magistrates and people strive against the lord god , by ●●●holding that which christ cryed wo against ; and such who are ministers 〈◊〉 christ , and walk in his doctrine , and in the same steps which he and his apostles walked in , witnessing for that which they witnessed for , and against that which they witnessed against ; them you call deceivers , and false prophets , and 〈◊〉 them for vagabonds , and wandering beggars , and idle and careless persons ; and that they have left their families , and carelesly wander up and down . and herein you magistrates and people strive against the lord , by persecuting , and slandering , and falsly accusing , and condemning such as the scripture justifies , and the servants of the lord which spoke forth the scripture do witness of to be true . what would you have called christ , who had no where to lay his head ? he was no vagabond , nor idle , nor careless person . and what would you have called the apostles and ministers of christ ? who had left their families and callings , and went up and down , and had no certain dwelling place , but went from city to city , and cared not for the world ; not what to eat , nor what to drink , nor wherewith to be cloathed ? this they did , and yet were no vagabonds , nor idle , nor careless persons , but abode in the doctrine of christ ; they were hated by your generation , as we are now by you : and they were called pestilent fellows , and movers of sedition , and hereticks , and men of ●●●nious judgements : and they said , they were troublers of their cities , as you do ●o● 〈◊〉 false prophets and decivers . i do declare this generation to be the same 〈◊〉 persecuted the prophets , christ , and his apostles , as it doth persecute us ; 〈◊〉 the same power we stand , as they did ; and by the same power we are 〈◊〉 and acted , as they were : and to the power by which we stand , and are 〈◊〉 , shall all the powers of men , and of the earth bow and be 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 all you magistrates and people , consider of your blindness and ignorance , 〈…〉 absolutely justifie and uphold such as the scripture declares and witnesses 〈◊〉 , and do condemn and persecute such as the scripture justifies and witnesses and do put them out of your synagogues and villages ; search the prophets , 〈◊〉 christs , and the apostles writings , in them you may read your example , and example . in jer. ●0 . you may read how pashur the chief governor , when he had heard what 〈◊〉 ●ad said , smote him , and put him in the prison , and in the stocks , and dealt 〈◊〉 with him : now jeremiah is our example , who had the word of the lo●d , and 〈◊〉 ; sometime in the streets , and in the gate of the lords house , and feared no 〈◊〉 , but prophesied against the priests and false prophets , which used their tongue 〈◊〉 had not the word from the lord , but was given to lightness , and covetuousness : and 〈◊〉 who smote him and put him in the prison , is your example , whose measure of 〈◊〉 you fulfil , in doing as he did ; and by your oppressions , is the sufferings and 〈◊〉 of ieremiah fulfilled in us , who is made a derision daily , and a scorn to the 〈◊〉 , since we spake in the name of the lord , as ieremiah was in that generation of 〈◊〉 , who is your example : also in amos 7 ▪ you may read how amaziah the kings 〈◊〉 sent to the king of israel , and they conspired against him ; and amazia●forbad 〈◊〉 to prophesie any more at bethel , for it is the kings chappel , and the kings court ; 〈◊〉 said he , the land is not able to bear his words : now herein amaziah the priest , and 〈◊〉 in the king , who were both persecutors , is your example , who takes counsel 〈◊〉 the innocent , and thrusts out of your countries , and cities , and towns , and makes 〈◊〉 against the servants of the lord , and forbids us to speak any more in your courts or 〈◊〉 , and beats , and persecutes us , and doth say , the land is not able to bare such 〈◊〉 as are spoken and written by us : and amos , who was no prophet nor prophets 〈◊〉 , but a poor laboring man is our example , who was innocent , and spake the word of the lord against the songs of the temples , in the chappel , and in the kings court ; and 〈◊〉 example doth witness to our practice , as the example of the wicked in their wicked●●●● , do witness your practice , whom you succeed in oppression . and also you may read through the scriptures , how the children of god , who were called of him , were hated and persecuted by the seed of evil doers , they slew the prophets , and persecuted them that were sent unto them : david was a scorn , and a reproach , and a ●issing to his enemies ; and iob was mocked of his friends , and counted a mad 〈◊〉 ; and many of the servants of the lord suffered cruel deaths under the hands of the oppressor ; and they that were sufferers , and were mocked , and scorned , and persecuted , o● our example , and the mockers and persecutors are your example : christ and the apostles in their time were sufferers ; and you may read how herod and pilate , and the officers , and chief priests , caused christ to suffer unjustly , by imprisonments , and scoargings , and ●uffe●ings , and revilings , though no evil could be justly laid to his charge ; and be is our example , in the like things , and as they did unto him , so you do unto us , a● being of the same seed , and this he said ; and herod , and the cruel officers , 〈◊〉 priests , are your example , of whose ●eed you are brought forth , fulfilling their 〈◊〉 of wickedness and cruelty , in this your day and time , and oppressing the just with 〈◊〉 bonds of iniquity : and you may read how the apostles was persecuted , through whole book of acts , and put out of their towns , and stoned ( some unto death ) and 〈◊〉 forbid to speak any more in the name of iesus , and was thought to be men not 〈◊〉 live upon the ●arth ; was called pestilent fellows , & movers of sedition , and 〈…〉 world upside down ; and these was our example , who had left their callings , countries , 〈◊〉 relations , and gave themselves to be spent for the lords sake , and declared against 〈◊〉 false ministery , which preached for hire , and gifts , and rewards ; and against 〈◊〉 had the form of godliness , but not the power ; and went into the idol temples , and 〈◊〉 against them , and against their outward traditional worships : in these things 〈◊〉 many more , we follow them as an example , even as you follow the wicked in their 〈◊〉 and oppression , nero , and festus , and caesar , and such like , who were 〈◊〉 god , as you are , and brought forth the same works as you do , being of the same 〈◊〉 and following their example ; so that now as ever , he who is born of the 〈…〉 him that is born after the spirit : and the wisdom of this world is enmit● 〈◊〉 god , and cannot receive the things of gods kingdom ; therefore repent , when 〈◊〉 read your example of wickedness , then read your example in the cursed end of wrath 〈◊〉 the lord god , which came upon the persecuters of old , as it will upon you . the vengeance of god you cannot flie , his fierce wrath will come upon you , and 〈◊〉 and howling , and lamentation , and misery will be your portion . o tremble to think 〈◊〉 your ignorance , to what purpose have you made a profession of the scriptures , whos● 〈◊〉 those things , and those men which it plainly declares against ; and condemns these 〈◊〉 and those men which it plainly witnesseth of . repent and take warning 〈◊〉 before the decree of the lord of hosts be sealed against you , for i have 〈…〉 conscience , in letting you see your own ignorance and blindness , ye magistrates and 〈◊〉 and thus you are left without excuse , whether you will hear or forbear . finis . a visitation & vvarning proclamed and an alarm sounded in the popes borders ... being the account of a journey to dunkirk, and the proceedings there among the jesuites, and friars and papists, with some particular quæries, and also some propositions sent unto them : which may be satisfaction to many who may behold the difference in part between th papists and the people of god, and between the idolaters and the true worshippers / by one that travells in the labour of the gospel of christ for the elect seeds sake, edw. burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30562 of text r36306 in the english short title catalog (wing b6055). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 79 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 19 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30562 wing b6055 estc r36306 15643098 ocm 15643098 104279 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30562) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 104279) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 1182:7) a visitation & vvarning proclamed and an alarm sounded in the popes borders ... being the account of a journey to dunkirk, and the proceedings there among the jesuites, and friars and papists, with some particular quæries, and also some propositions sent unto them : which may be satisfaction to many who may behold the difference in part between th papists and the people of god, and between the idolaters and the true worshippers / by one that travells in the labour of the gospel of christ for the elect seeds sake, edw. burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 36 p. printed for thomas simmons ..., london : 1659. reproduction of original in the huntington library. eng catholic church -controversial literature. society of friends -england -missions -france. a30562 r36306 (wing b6055). civilwar no a visitation & vvarning proclamed and an alarm sounded in the popes borders, in the name and authority of the lord almighty, and the lamb. b burrough, edward 1659 15571 123 0 0 0 0 0 79 d the rate of 79 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the d category of texts with between 35 and 100 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 spi global keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-04 jonathan blaney sampled and proofread 2004-04 jonathan blaney text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-07 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a visitation & vvarning proclamed and an alarm sounded in the popes borders , in the name and authority of the lord almighty , and the lamb . being the account of a journey to dunkirk , and the proceedings there among the jesuites , and friars and papists ; with some particular quaeries , and also some propositions sent unto them . which may be satisfaction to many who may behold the difference in part between the papists and the people of god ; and between the idolaters and the true worshippers . by one that travells in the labour of the gospel of christ for the elect seeds sake , edw. burrough . london , printed for thomas simmons at the bull and mouth near aldersgate , 1659. the particulars , and the heads laid down . 1 the account of the journey . 2 a letter to the deputy governour , and the officers of the english army . 3 quaeries to the friars , first in latine , secondly in english . 4 propositions , as a charge against the romish church , first in latine , secondly in english ; with a letter to the chief jesuite rector in dunkirk . 5 a warning to the officers and souldiers of the english army . 6 some propositions to the english priests in dunkirk , with some other things , according to the will of the lord , and being moved of him in spirit , and as it lay upon me many dayes , i passed to dunkirk ; and that which i found upon me chiefly , was to visit and warn the papists , the iesuites and friars , and that company of idolaters , and to sound the mighty day of the lord among them , and to proclaim it in the popes borders , and to warn them all of the day that is at hand upon them by the word of the lord , and to sound forth among them the everlasting gospel of truth , and against all their idolatrous ways , worships and practises which i have often felt the weight and burthen of before ever i saw outwardly what their wayes or practises are ; which when i saw their idolatrous practises and worships , and heard their doctrines , and what they professe , i found it to be according to what i had seen and felt in the light that trieth all things . and about the sixth day of the third moneth 1659. i ( with samuel fisher , who was moved to go with we ) shipped from dover , and came into dunkirk the next day ; and being strangers upon earth , as the generation of the righteous seed ever was , we waited in the will of the lord , to be guided by his wisdom what to do , and how to be guided to act and speak to his glory . so the next morning the town mayor came to us in the street , and required an account of our coming , and our names , and from whence we came ; to which we gave him sober answers and a reasonable account . and that day it much spread over the town of our being come thither , which wrought no small cogitations in the hearts of many as what our business was , and wherefore we were come ; so that the deputy governour colonel alsop with the counsel of officers sent for us that night , ( the chief governour not being in town ) so we went to them , who did kindly intreat us , and examine us concerning our coming thither , and what our businesse was there , and such like ; to which we gave them answers , and staid with them in discourse some hours . and the deputy governour much pleaded to us the danger of our staying in the town , and feared the devision that might grow among them through us ; and withall much desired us to depart the town , supposing as he said , the great danger that might incur unto the garrison through our stay . but our answer was in much plainnesse , if he desired us , we could not receive any such desire ; and if he commanded us , we could not obey his command in that case , neither could we depart the town , but in the will of god , according to which will we came thither ; and having many words , and much reasoning with them that night , we parted from them . and the next morning i was moved to write this letter following , and to give them all a sober account of our coming , and what our work is in this world wheresoever we come ; which letter was delivered to them , and read by many of them ; but to it we received no answer , according as the latter part did require , as may be seen . dunkirk the eleventh of the third moneth 1659. english account . to the deputy governour , and the officers of the english army in dunkirk these . friends , we the servants of the lord , are lovers of all your souls , and wisheth well unto you in the lord , that truth and peace , and righteousnesse may be among you , and in your hearts ; and we are travellers in the labour of the gospel of christ jesus for the elect seeds sake , having received the glad tidings of life , and eternal salvation into our hearts , through the revelation of christ in us , who is our hope of glory , and the lord hath manifested greatly his power amongst us , and revealed the riches of his grace in our souls , to our own everlasting satisfaction & peace with god ; and also he hath made us ministers of his grace , and of his word to many others , to the turning of many from darknesse to light , and from satans power to god , and of him we are called and ordained by his spirit into this his work to preach the everlasting gospel to the nations , and to war against anti-christ , the whore and false prophets , come up since the days of the apostles , & have reigned over the world for many generations ; and this is our work in the world , to fight the lambs battel with his spiritual weapons and armour , and to follow him whithersoever he goeth , and to give up our selves in his service , to do or suffer for him whatsoever he calleth us unto ; and in this hitherto hath the pure and mighty presence of the lord god been with us , and is with us unto this day ; and great is his name amongst us his people , and to be praised for ever more ; and of this hath god given us the sure witnesse in our selves , even the testimony of his good spirit , which bears us witnesse in our own consciences , that these things are true , whether men believe or re●ect our testimony ; for we are not ministers of man , nor by mans will , neither do we stand to mans judgement , to be approved or disproved thereby ; but to the witnesse and testimony of gods spirit in every conscience we do commend our selves , where ever any of us do come , in the simplicity of truth , in the demonstration of the spirit , and not by words of mans wisdom , and in the day of the lord shall we be justified herein by him , and by his witnesse in all mens consciences ; & in the mean time we do suffer all things patiently , and in the meek & quiet spirit of the lord ; and as for us two in particular who are now come into the town of dunkirk , as we have in some part declared unto you already ; and so i here again say unto you , not being ashamed nor unwilling to give you an account of our coming ; for we came to be made manifest openly in the sight of all men in our doctrines , principles and practises which are of and from the lord , and fully agreeing in all things with the scriptures of truth , which were given forth by the spirit of truth as the holy men of god were moved , and as we have said to you , we still testifie , we were moved of god , and by his spirit to come unto this place in love to the souls of people , and it is the lord god that hath sent us , and not man ; and whether you believe us herein , or doth reject us , the testimony of god is sure , and remains with us ; and for the truth hereof , we are not affraid to do and suffer , but can do , and suffer in the strength of christ whatsoever is put upon us ; though chiefly our coming was ( so far as the lord shewed us ) in relation to these popish idolaters , to discourse with their iesuites , friars and priests , and to discover to them the errors of their wayes , and the falsnesse of their worships , and to testifie unto them in the fear and power of the lord concerning their church , that it is not a true church of christ , but a false church come up in the apostacy ; and these things we have to argue with them , if the heads of them will admit dispute ; otherwise to charge these things upon them from the lord , and by his authority ; and if they do any of them receive our testimony , and turn from their idols , and be converted unto the truth , they may be happy ; but if they shall reject our testimony , and not believe the truth , then shall they the more be fitted for destruction , and the day of their destruction the sooner approach , and the lord shall be clear of their blood , and our reward shall be with us from god ; for our testimony shall not returne to us in vaine , but shall accomplish its end wherefore it is sent , and the word of the lord by us shall either convert to god , and to the truth that they may be saved , or shall through rejecting of it , harden the heart against god and against the truth , that they may the more justly be condemned , and the lord and his servants be the more clear ; and no other thing saving this do we promise to our selves as the success of our endeavours : and not so much in relation to the men of our english nation are we come , though the gospel of salvation is freely come to them also , that they may be freed from the captivity of sin and death , and we may not work , nor cause any disturbance or grief to any of them , further then what they may take at us for the truth sake , or for declaring it in the fear of god , and without any just cause given by us to any of you , or them , though we dare not promise to you , nor our selves , what we will do , nor what we will not do ; onely this we say , if the transgression of any just law can be charged upon us , we refuse not to suffer what shall be imposed ; and this we do beleeve that the lord will so keep us , and order us by his spirit of truth , and carry us in meekness , and righteousness towards you , while we stay amongst you , be it weeks , or moneths , that you will have no just occasion against us , by any offences justly ministred by us ; and if you do take occasion against us without any just cause given , be it upon your selves , to your own shame , and condemnation in the sight of god and men , for we are cleare ; onely this we do give unto the lord , and cannot unto men , the exercise of our consciences , and to be obedient unto the teachings of his spirit in all things , as he shall guide and lead us , and if he commands to do , or not to do any thing , and you the contrary , we must obey him , though we disobey you ; for its better to obey god then man , and when he bids speak , in what place or season soever we may not be silent ; for to keep our consciences cleare in the sight of god in all things by obedience to him is our care , and study , and that which we are given up to do ; and if you set your selves to gain-say this , it will turne to your own destruction ; for no other promise then this can we make for our selves , but to do , and speak amongst you , as the lord our god shall move us , and lead us , and this testemony we do bear for the lord , he doth not move us , nor lead us to any thing , saving to what is just , and good , and holy , which may tend to the happiness , and peace , and welfare of your souls and bodies also : and in the fathers will we stand , and as we came in his will , so we cannot submit to stay or go at any mans will save the lords alone : and as concerning our coming and staying , and work here , this is a sober account to you , which may satisfie you and any sober and reasonable men ; and as conscerning our being with you yesternight , many things passed from some of you and your minister chiefly , to which i had a great desire to have answered , and to have cleared the things objected against us , but time and his patience afforded not the opportunity ; therefore now this i do propo●nd about the call to the ministry , which was the thing in dispute , to which i then could freely have spoken ; whether he will give me and us a faire meeting in some publique place that is convenient for your selves to hear , and be judge between us , to discourse this matter ( viz. ) what the true call to the ministry is , which is truly according to the scripture , and that to be laid down first , and then to compare his call to his ministry , and also his call to dunkirk , with what the true call is which is allowed of , and aproved in the scriptures , and also to compare our call to the ministry , and even our call to dunkirk , with what the true call of christs ministry was , as declared in the scriptures , that it may be seen whether his call , or our call is the more different from , or agreeable to the scriptures , and even the light in your own consciences shall be judge between us in this cause ▪ and upon such an issue , upon a just determination would we gladly joyne tryal ; and such a meeting upon such grounds and proceedings may tend to satisfie your selves , and many more , and such a meeting i do fully desire with your consent , and concurrance who may preserve the people in peace and soberness , that all may be edified in the things of so great moment as this is ; for if he can prove his call to the ministry to be such as was the apostles and ministers in the true christian churches before the apostacy , then shall we own him , and not deny him ; but if he cannot do this , and if we can do it on our own behalfe , in the power and spirit of the lord , then may you and all men judge who are the true ministers of christ , and who are the deceivers ; and this manner of proceedings would decide all doubts in you , about us ; and we shall be clear in manifesting the truth concerning the true ministry and the false , and the difference between them in their call , in their practice , and in their maintenance ; and this is sent to you to read and consider of , in the fear of god , as the testimony of our love to you , and the truth , that you may take heed to your waies ; and we would receive first your answer , whether you do consent , and will allow such a meeting , and secondly his answer whether he will undertake such a dispute , and we further are ready to clear all doubts that may remain in you about us , who are your friends , and desire your prosperity and faithfulnesse in what the lord calls you unto . by edward burrough ▪ samuel fisher . and the same day we went to the capuchin friars , and had some discourse with the chiefest of them in their garden , concerning the light of christ that every man is lighted withall : and we did declare to them of the mighty day of the lord , that was at hand upon them ; and the lord was come to search them and try them , and would hew down their idolatrous waies , and worships and works , &c. and in order to a fair proceeding with them , the next day i was moved to write this following paper to them , by way of queries , as to lay some ground of opposition ; hoping to have received their answer , that i might have joyned tryal with them : for it was in my heart to search and oppose their waies and practices , and their whole religion . and these queries were delivered to them in latine , as followeth , though from them i have received no answer to this day : but the queries stands upon them , and my charge they lye under , charged upon them in the name of the lord . vobis omnibus qui profitemini vos-met-ipsos esse ad servitium dei devotos & ad sepaerationem e mundo & mortisic●tinem in conversationibus vestris qui voca●i est●● per nomina fratrum , & sororum , tam in quam , prope dunkirkam . potens dies domini dei venit & venturus est in vos & in universum mundum ; expergiscamini , & expergiscamini vo● q●i d●rmitis in terra , deus enim teribilis , ●x ritu●us est ad expostu●andum vobiscum & ad redendum universo mundo ●poculum excandesce●tiae suae propter idololatrias vestras , & hypocrises , & abomin●●iones quae totum terrarum orbem corrup●runt , & ascenderunt in consp●ctu domini , & provocarunt eum ; & voci●eratio justi qui suit p●rcussus & occisus jacuit , intravit in aures al●i si●i ; & gladius ●jus qui est verbum oris sui expergefactus ●st ad vulneran●um & ad occedendum inimic●s ejus ac dies visitationis v●strae nunc advenit , in quo accurate visitaturus & exploratus est vos ut retribuat vobis , & vobis hoc ipsum est verbum domini . q●apropter a domino motus sum ad proponendum vobis pa●cas hasce q●estiones ob explorationem vestcorum spirituum & viarum , ad quas responsum vestrum expecto , ut omnia ad●era●●ur ad lucem , & ad verum examen & ut juste judicemini , & per spiritum domini , vel obsolvamini vel condemnemini , secundum opera vestra . 1 utrum fuere tales ordines virorum & mulierum in vera christi ecclesia , in diebus apostolicis ? & ubi christus instituit unquam hujusmodi cultus exer●i●ia & vivendi modum desidiosum , otiosum , aque ac deo & hominibus in utilem plane , qualem vos exhibitis : & utrum tenetur aliquis fidem adhibere vobis et insequi religionem , & excercitia vestr● , nisi religionem & conversationes observationes , & cultus vestros probare possitis per scripturas ▪ verba christi aut exemplum sanctorum ●jus & apostolorum ? deinde utrum , necne accipiatis totius vestri religiosi cultus explorationem , & probationem per & secundum scripturas & apostolorum scripta ? 2. utrum mundus in cordibus vestris & natura mundi etiam radix ips● concupiscentiae , radex superbiae , avaritiae , amoris hujus seculi , & vanitatem ejus , et radex idolatriae subjicitur in vobis ? ●ppello lucem in conscientiis vestris , & quid est radex horum omnium ; et quid est quod hanc ipsam subigit ? estne abstinentia aliq●a externa facta per vim serarum , & ostiorum , et istius modi , obstaculorum aut sui-met seperationem , in loca secreta , quae in maribus et faeminis valet ad subigendum mundi naturam ? num per hujusmodi media christus dat victoriam in peccatum idemque vincit in populo suo ? nonne hoc factum est solum per potentiam dei in corde ? et nonne est eti●m damnabilis hypocrifis in vobis videri sancti , & liberi ab hisce rebus , dum adhuc ipsa natura , & radex horum omnium vivida est in vobis , & ●erinde se exhibens in motionibus suis ? num ali●uid ex nugamentis vestris externis est crux christi , aut christus crucifixus , qui mundo crucifigit , quae apostoli praedicarunt , & in q●o laetati sunt ? 3. haccine est in vobis ▪ vera mundi abnegatio abnegare eum in uno mo●o & loco , & incurrere in eum , eundemque amplecti in alio ? neq ●q●am mi●i adhuc apparet vos mundum abnegasse q●emadmodu● apostoli : respondete etenim mihi , ubi unquam habuerunt , illi tales , quales vos occupatis , sedes in pulcherrimis & fertillissimis locis urbium & oppidorum , tam magnificas domus & hortos , & annuales tantas videndi modus quantos & vos manentes per totum vitae suae , curriculum in gran●i alico conclavi in otio & desidia corpescentes q●emodmodum vos ? illi per orbem peregrinati sunt evangelium praedicantes nec certum aliquem habuerunt habetandi locum , sed in spiritu agnum dei sequuti sunt , nec stabiliarunt seipsos , si●u●i vos omn●bus diebus sistentes in pinguibus terrae portionibus ; judicamus itaque vos esse extra vitam nec eodem spiritu in qu● fuerunt apostoli ; sed in aliquali justitiae & sanctitatis forma absque vi ipsiu● : a vobis itaque responsum peto ad vindicandum vos metipsos si potueritis , & ad probandum vos ●ss● de vera ecclesia & vias , & observationes vestras ess● , in , & per spiritum d●i , nec non secundum scripturas . 4. q●alis est mors ill● q●ae pervacit in omnes & regnavit ab adamo u●que ad mosen ? & nonne regnat adhuc eadem in vos ? & quaenam est ministratio mo●is ? & num per illam vere veni●tis unquam ? & est pars ista in vobis subacta necne ab qu●m addite fuit lex dei , & venistis ad christum , ad ipsum cognoscitis sicut fuit ante abrahamum & ante mariam ? et quammodo fuit davidis dominus ? et quammodo ejusdem filius , & utrum natus est christus in vobis , & vobis revelatus per quam , mundus fuit factus , & expectatis necne perfecte liberari a paccato , adeo ut in hac vita terrestri non amplius illud committetis ? 5. quid est anima ? & quinam fuit status & conditio ejus ante transgressionem ? & quaenam in transgressione ? & potestne aliquis per adamum secundum restitui manens adhuc in terra , in statum eundem quem amisit in primo etiam vel non ? amici in nomine & potentia domini dei a vobis requiro , ut per atramentū & calamum de hisce mihi respondeat aliquis vestrum , & subscribantur nomina vestra , ut reddam itidem vobis responsum & ulterius queramus de vobis , a domino enim missi sumus , ad visitandū & explorandum vos ; & si in perfecta veritate sitis & alios , ad religionem vestram covertere desideretis , tum candide nobiscum agite , & in zelo vestro optimis utamini armis vestris spiritualibus ad defendendum causam vestram contra nos , & pro deo ve●tro appareatis ; sine vero de vestris ipsorum viis & observationibus dubitatis , nec ad religionem vestram , defendendam sufficientes sitis , tum obtaretur os vestrum & divertite ab idololatria , nunc enim orbus est dominus ad judicandum vos juste , etiam ac universum orbem . sum animarium vestrarium amator , sed testis contra quascunque falsas vias antichristi , ac meretricis , qui diu valde in mundo regnavere ; quin etiam sum servus domini edvardus burrough per derisores mundi vocatus aglice . a quaker . the english of these queries followeth . the english is this . to all ye that professe your selves devoted to the service of god , and separation from the world , and mortification in your lives , who are called by the name of fryars , and nunns , in , and about dunkirk . the mighty day of the lord god is come , and coming upon you , and all the world ; awake , awake ye that sleep in in the earth , for the dreadful god is arising to plead with you , and to give unto all the world the cup of his fierce indignation because of your idolatries , and hypocrisies , and abominations which hath corrupted the earth , & is come up before him , and hath provoked him and the cry of the just who hath been smitten , and laid slain , is entred into the ears of the most high , and his sword , which is the words of his mouth is awakened to wound , and slay all his enemies ; and the day of your visitation is now come , wherein the lord is searching you , and trying you , that he may recompence you , and this is the word of the lord to you . wherefore i am moved of the lord to propound some few q●eries to you , for the tryal of your spirits and wayes ; to which i demand your answer , that all things may be brought to light , and true judgement , and that you may be judged justly , and by the spirit of the lord cleared , or condemned , according to your deeds . 1. whether there was such orders of men ▪ and women in the true church of christ in the apostles dayes ? and where did christ give institution for such worships , practices , and manner of life , and slothful idleness , and unprofitableness to god and men as ye hold forth ? and whether any are bound to believe you , and follow your religion and practices , except you can prove by the scriptures the words of christ , or example of his saints , and apostles , your religion , and lives , and practices , and worships ? and whether you do admit of tryal in all your whole religion by , and according to the scriptures and writings of the apostles , yea or nay . 2. whether the world in your hearts , and the worlds nature , even the root of lust , the root of pride , covetousness , and the love of this world , and its vanities , and the root of idolatry is subdued in you ; to the light in your consciences i do speak ? and what is the root of all these things , and what is it that subdues it ? is it an outward abstinence by the force of locks and doors , and bolts , or self-separation , and secret places that subdues the worlds nature in men , and women , and is i● by such means that christ gives victory over sin , and overcomes it in his people ? or is it not by the power of god in the heart onely ? and whether is it not damnable hypocrisie in you to appear outwardly holy and free from these things , while yet the nature and root of all these things are alive in you , and boiling up in the motions of them ? and is any outward thing the crosse of christ , and christ crucified , which mortifies to the world , which the apostles preached and rejoyced in ? 3. whether is it a true denial of the world in you , to deny it in one manner and place , and to run into it , and imbrace it in another way and place ? it doth not appear to me that you have denyed the world , as the apostles did ; for answer me , where had they any such ●eats in the finest and fattest places of the cities and towns as ye have ? such great fine houses and gardens , and such revenues by the year as ye have , staying all their dayes in a great house , and spending their time in sloth and idleness as ye do ; they went up and down the world preaching the gospel , and had no certain dwelling place , but followes the lamb of god in the spirit , and did not settle themselves in fat places of the earth , continuing all their dayes as ye do ; therefore we judge that you are out of the life , and not in the spirit as the apostles were in , but are in the form of righteousness , and holiness without the power ; so i demand an answer to clear your selves if you can , and to prove that you are of the true church , and t●at your w●yes and practices are in , and by the spirit of god , and according to the scriptures . 4. what is that death that hath passed over all , and reigned from adam to moses ? and whether it doth not reign yet in and over you ? and what is moses ministration , and whi●her ever through it you yet truly came ? and whether that part be subdu●d in you which the law of god was added upon , and whether are you come to christ , and knowes him as he was before abraham , and before mary ? and how was he davids lord ? and how his son ? and is christ within you born , and reve●led to you , by whom the world was made ? and do you expect to be perfectly freed from sin that ye shall not commit sin in this life upon earth , yea , or nay ? 5. what is the soul , and what was its state , and condition before transgression ? and what is its state , and condition in trnasgression , and whether may man come to be restored by the second adam into the same estate , while upon earth , as he lost in the first adam yea , or nay ? friends , i demand of you in the name , and power of the lord god to answer me these things in writing some of you , and to subscribe your names , that i may return you an answer , and query further of you ; for we are sent of god to visit you , and to try you ; and if ye be in the perfect truth , and would convert others to your religion , be plain with us , and use your best spiritual weapons in your zeal towards us , and defend your cause , and appear for your god ; and if you doubt of your own wayes and practices , and be not able to defend your religion , then let your mouthes be stopped , then turn from idolatry , for now is the lord god arisen that will judge ye and all the earth righteously . i am a lover of souls but a witness against all false idolatrous wayes of antichrist and the whore that hath reigned in the world , and i am the lords servant . edward burrough . by the scorners of the world , called a quaker . and we were with them again at other times in discourse with the chief of all the fryars of the company called recolects also , and did in the power of the lord declare truth unto them , and ●gainst their idolatry , until such time as some of them were so offended with us , not having much wherewith to answer in truth to defend themselves , they of the company called capuchins grew light , and scornful , and very wicked , and did in a manner deny us the liberty any more to come unto them : and we were with each company of fryars two several times ; and as for the iesuites , we had much upon us to visit them in their colledges , but we perceived that the chief rector of the colledge of iesuites had heard of our being in the town , he did refuse to discourse with us , and we went once into the colledge , and could not be admitted to speak with him . and about a week after we came into the town , the chief governor lockhart coming home , he sent , as he said , to the iesuites colledge , that they should admit us to come to speak with then ; & as we found it from the lord upon us , at a convenient season , we went again to the colledge , a●d were for some hours in discourse with the chief rector of the colledge , who appeared at the first very high , and subtle , and crafty , and did in his heart reject us , and the simplicity of the gospel , but truth and the word of the lord had dominion over him , and before the truth he and they all are as weak as water ; many things were disputed upon , which the particulars cannot now be related , but in about three hours time he grew weary , pretendding other business , and would stay no longer with us , and so we parted , demanding of him whether he would admit some more discourse at some other time , which he did refuse ▪ so we were not admited to come to him any more ; whereupon these following propositions i was moved to give forth , and send among them as a charge upon them , in the name and power of the lord ; and they were given and delivered in latine up and down among the iesuites and fryars in the town ; unto which to this day i never could receive an answer , therefore my charge lies upon them to this day as a testimony from the mouth of the lord against them , of which they can never clear themselves . and we were moved to visit the nunns , and went to their place , and before many words were spoken to them through a grate , ( for we might not see them and to speak to them both at once ) they a●ked if we were of the order of those called quakers ; and they perceiving that we were such , said , they might not hear us , because we were such , and presently passed away , and refused to suffer us to speak to them ; and therefore we had very small time with them , onely gave our witness against them , and passed away . vobis omnibus jesuitis , sacerdotibus , fratribus vobis etiam omnibus , cujuscunque generis de ecclesia romanensi , in & prope dunkirkum . amici in charissimo amore erga vestras omnium immortales animas haec vobis motus sum exhibere , ut legatis , & consideretis ea in timore domini dei . siquidem per aliquot dies in hoc oppido jam moratus sum , secundum dei ipsius beneplacitum , bene observans religionem vestram in principiis , & in statu presenti , & in exercitiis ejus vere etiam animadvertens partem aliqualem , & fidei vestrae , & doctrinae modum , etiam cultuum vestrorum ; nec non traditiones , & ordines , & disciplinam . & rigimen totius ecclesiae vestrae ; & in spiritu domini ponens , & aeque mensurans omnia ad lineam recti iudicii , a domino & per spiritum ejus , haec ideo vobis propono , & affirmo . viz. 1 quod ecclesia vestra non est vera christi ecclesia , uxor agni , & electa sponsa , sed in ejus fide , & doctrinis , & cultibus , & ordinationibus , in ordinibus disciplina , & regimine degenerata est ab illo statu , in quo stetit ecclesia christi in diebus apostolorum , ante apostasiam . 2 quod constitutio ecclesiae vestrae , etiam & cultus , & ordinationes vestrae plerunque , & via ; & modus diciplinae , & regiminis vestri sunt ab homine , & eriguntur , & sistunt ad arbitrium hominis , nec sunt secundum deum nec a deo , s●cundum vero traditiones humanas qui docti & versati sunt in ipsis , quod idolatria est nec sunt secundum mandata ipsius christi , nec exemplum apostolorum ejus , nec scripturas , sed penitus absque spiritu dei erecti omnes post dies apostolicos , & ingressum apostasiae , quae totum mundum adumbravit . 3 quod per varias generationes , & multa secula ab apostolorum & vestrarum ecclesia temporibus in mundum supervenit , universalis defectio & apostasia a vera fide , & doctrina , & cultu , & ordinationibus , & disciplina , & regimine quae fuere inter apostolos , & in diebus eorum apud veras ecclesias exercebantur , etiam & vestra ecclesia nunc temporis est in defectione ista , & apostasia . 4 quod antichristus , bestia , meretrix , & pseudoprophetae , per aetates multas in mundum regnavere , antichristus ille sese opposuit christo , & elatus fuit in templo dei , & ut numen adoratus . bestia trucidavit sanctos , eisque oppugnavit , & potestatem adepta est in tribus & linquas & post eam admiratus est universus orbis . m●retrix quam portavit bestia , insedet populis , & turbis , & gentibus , & bibit sanguinem sanctorum & martyrum , & corrupit terram , & secit u● omnes biterunt ex poculo scortationum suarum . pseudoprophetae supervenerunt in nationes , & deceperunt ea● . deinde ecclesia vestra est de populis , turbis , & tribubus , in quos bestia potestatem recepit , & quibus insedit meretrix , quosque pseudoprophetae deceperunt . 5 quod vera christi ecclesia , uxor agni , electa sponsa , & urbs illa dilecta , que peperit eum , qui gentes erat recturus , fugit in solitudinem , & alita fuit in loco luctus , & desolationis mille ducentis sexaginta diebus ; & calcaverunt gentes urbem sanctam , uxorem agni , & dominium habuerunt in ipsam mensibus quadraginta duobus ; & etiamsi haud fuerit ipsa separata seu victa adeo ut omni existentia penitus privari , in deserta solitudine tamen exstitit in luctu ac desolatione , & in illa gloria & excellentia , quam olim habuit nequaquam apparuit , sed amisit plane vestimenta & ornatus suos , haeredem suum , & maritum ab ea separatum & raptum ad deum , & thronum ejus , & in hoc tempore divastationes & conculcationes civitatis illius sanctae , uxoris agni , & regni bestiae , & meretricis ecclesia vestra , quae est ex muliere falsa , & non ex electa sponsa , quae agno nupra est , exhibita fuit in potentia sua & gloria . 6 quod coactio & compulsio personarum per externam , aliquam , legem , & potestatem conformes esse hujusmodi vel istius modi religioso cultui , est bestiae , & meretricis , & non dei cultus : quinimo trucidare , & persequi conscientiae ergo , & propter abnegationem hujus , aut illius religiosi cultus , est a diabolo , & dracone , nequaquam a deo , nec secundum e●m ; quinetiam ecclesia vestra , quae per istius modii media cogit ad suum cultum in hoc non succedit apostolis , & ecclesiae verae , sed est de bestia & meretrice , quas in deil us suis iohannes vidit venturus esse , & nos in nostris venisse videmus , & regnasse per praeteritas generationes ; affirmo etiam cuicunque religoso cultui conformes se praebentes , non sponte , sed coacte per vim & violentiam legum , esse duplo magis , quam antea diatoli filios , nec per hoc conversos esse ad deum , sed sieri idololatras quos deus judicaturus est . 7 quod nulli pro totum terrarum orbem sunt vera membra de vera christi ecclesia , veb jus habentes ad haereditatem eternae vitae , nisi qui e mundo collecti sunt per praedicationem evangelii , & sunt transfigurati itidem & renovati per potentiam domini dei in corde , & per spiritum ejus in ipsis docti in omnem veritatem , & ad christum caput agglutinati , & aggregati in eternam unitatem infiniti corporis per eundem spiritum , & unctionem in ipsis habitantem , & ex hujusmodi consistit vera christi ecclesia nunc temporis quemadmodum in temporibus apostolorum ; de talibus vero membris non est ecclesia vestra in presenti hac aetate , nec est in ordine , & regimini spiritus veritatis , sed in forma ( absque vi ) in illa fuit origo , & est status ejus in hunc usque diem . 8 quod oportunitas , & dies domini , & plenitudo temporis praestituti appropinquat , in quo babylon illa magna dejicietur , & cadet , & dominus in illam vindictam inferet , & judicia reddit & comprehendentur bestia , & meretrix ; & pseudoprophetae , quibus subjiecerunt se regna terrarum orbis , & vivi conjicientur in stagnum ; & diabolus , & satanas , non amplius seducent nationes ; sed regna mundi hujus mutabuntur & facta erunt regna domini , & christi ejus , cujus regnum revelabitur in cordibus electorum suorum in potientia & multa gloria ; et ecclesiam romanensem , etiam & omnes falsas sectas , & ecclesias per vniversam terram subvertet dominus deus , & vera ipsius ecclesia recolligetur●e deserto ; & pulchritudo ierusolymae novae , ecclesiae sanctae , vxoris agni aeque glori●fa faerit , ac ante fugitum ejus illuc , & conculcationem suam per gentes & dominus deus omnipotens dignoscetur , & erit cum hominibus tabernaculum ejus . haec testor vobis in nomine domini , & veritatem eorum quae certa est probaturus sum ; & de hisce ( caeteris paribus ) cum quocunque vestrum sobriae mentis disceptaturus , eademque per spiritum domini nec non secundum scripturas infallibilia esse demonstraturus : qua propter consideretis ea in mansuetudine , & patientia , & credite in lucem christi in vestris ipsorum conscientiis , qua cum unumquemque qui venit in mund●m christus illuminavit , ut ad agnitionen● veritatis , & ab omnibus viis obliquis perveniatis ; & si vestrum aliquis in gratiam totius corporis hisce responsum reddet , & si possitis per atramentum & calamum , vindicare vos met ips●s de hisce , quae vobis imputantur , hoc erit per me candide receptum , etiam & in levitate cum responsione revertetur , in ordine adulteriorum manifestation●m veritatis , ut & veritas , & iustitia clarissime appareat , & ●mplectatur , & delusio , & omnis anti-christi impostura confundatur & abnegatur ; & qui sunt in veritate in eadem stabiliantur & qui in errore commone fiant in hoc die visitationis mundi , dominus venturus est ad judicium , qui omnium cordium secreta iudicabit , & vniversum mundum in iustitia . dun. 20.3d . mon. 1659. per amicum justiciae , & omnium animarum amatorem . edvardum burrough . the english of these propositions is as followeth . to all ye iesuits , priests , and friars , and to all you in generall of the romish church , in and about dunkirk . friends , in dear love to all your immortall souls , i am moved to lay these things before you , that you may read and consider them in the fear of the lord god , for as much as for some dayes i have been in this town according to the will of god , and having rightly observed your religion , in its originall , and in its present standing , and in its practises ; and having truly examined ▪ some part of your faith and doctrines , and the manner of your worships , and your ordinances , and the orders , and discipline and government of your whole church , and in the spirit of the lord , having laid all things to the line of true ●udgment , and equally measured them ; hereupon i do from the lord and by his spirit propound and assert these things unto you . first , that your church is not the true church of christ , the lambs wife and elected spouse , but is degenerated in her faith , and in her doctrines , and in her worships and ordinances , in her orders , discipline and government , from what the true church of christ was , in the apostles dayes , before the apostacy . 2. that the constitution of your church , and the chief part of your worship and ordinances , and the way and maner of your discipline and government are of man , and set up and standeth by the will of man , and are not after god , nor according to him , but are after the traditions of man , learned and practised therein , which is idolatry , and are not in the commandements of christ , nor in the example of his apostles nor according to the scriptures , but without the spirit of god , being set up since the dayes of the apostles , and since the apostacy came in which hath over-shadowed the whole world . 3 that there hath been over the world , for generations and many ages , since the dayes of the apostles and true churches , a generall declination and falling away from the true faith and doctrines , and from the worship and ordinances , and from the discipline and government that was amongst the apostles , and practised in the true churches of christ in their dayes , and your church is in that declination , and falling away . 4. that ant●christ , the beast and the whore and false prophets have reigned over the world for generations ; the antichrist that hath opposed christ and been exalted in the temple of god , and been worshipped as god ; the beast that hath killed the saints , and warred against them , and had power over kindreds and tongues , and the world hath wondred after him ; the whore whom the beast hath carried , she hath sat upon peoples , multitudes and nations , and drunk the blood of the saints and of the martyrs , and she hath corrupted the earth , and caused all to drink her cup of fornications ; and the false prophets have overspred the nations and deceived them and you and your church are of the peoples , the multitudes , and the kindred that the beast hath received power over , and the whore hath sat upon , and the false prophets deceived . 5 that the true church of christ the lambs wife , the ele●●ed spouse , and the beloved city , who brought forth him that was to rule the ●ations , hath been fled into the wildernes & been fled into the place of mourning & dissolation for a thousand two hundred & 60 dayes , & the gentiles feet have troden down the holy city , the lambs wife , and had power over her for forty and two moneths , and though she hath not been prevailed against nor overcome , so as to be extinguished from having a being , yet her being hath been the wilderness in mourning and disolation , and she hath not appeared in the glory and excellency which once she had , but hath lost her garments and her attire , and her heir , and husband separated from her , and caught up to god and to his throne , and in this time of the disolation , and treading down of the holy city , the lambs wife , and the reigning of the beast and the whore , hath your church been extant in her glory and power , which hath been of the false woman , and not of the ele●t spouse , that is married to the lamb . 6. that forcing and compelling of persons by any outward law and authority to be of such or such a religion , and to conforme to such a way of worship , is the worship of the beast and of the whore , and not the worship of god , and to kill and persecute persons , for the exercise of conscience , and because they will not be of such a religion , and cannot conform to such worship is of the divill and the dragon , and not of god , nor according to him ; and that your church herein is not successor of the apostles and the true church of christ , but is of the beast and the whore , which iohn saw was to come in his time , and which we see are come in our dayes , and have ruled for generations , and i affirme that persons so made conformable , by force and violent laws , to such a religion and worship , are but two fold more the children of the divill , and are not at all converted to god thereby , but becomes idolaters , whom god will judge . 7. that none upon earth are true members of the true church of christ , having a portion in the inheritance of eternal life , but such who are gathered out of the world by the preaching of the gospel , and are changed and renewed by the power of the lord god in the heart , and are led by his spirit within them into all truth , and are joyned unto christ the head , and gathered into the eternall unity of the infinite body by the same spirit and anointing dwelling in them , and of such onely doth the true church of christ consist now in this present time , as it did in the apostles dayes , but of such members doth not your church consist in this present age , neither is it in the order and government of the spirit of truth , but in the forme without the power , therein was its beginning , and is its standing at this day . 8. that the time is at hand , and the day of the lord draws near , and the fulness of time is approaching , wherein great babylon shal be thrown down , and fall to the ground , and the lord will be avenged on her , and will render judgments unto her ; and the beast , and whore and false prophets , un●o whom the kingdoms of the world hath been subject , shall be taken , and cast alive into the lake , and the devil and satan shall deceive the nations no more , but the kingdoms of this world shall be changed , and become the kingdoms of the lord , and of his christ , whose kingdom shall be revealed in power and great glory , in the hearts of his chosen ▪ and the church of rome , and all the false sects and churches upon the earth , will the lord god overthrow , and his true church shall be gathered out of the wilderness , and the beauty of new ierusalem of the holy church , the lambs wife , shall be as glorious as before she fled thither , and before she was troden down of the gentiles , and the lord god almighty shall be known , and his ●abernacle shall be with men these things i assert to you in the name of the lord , and the truth thereof is certaine , and should be ready to argue and dispute these things with any sober person amongst you upon equall tearmes , and to prove the infalibility hereof by the spirit of the lord , and according to the scriptures , wherefore consider of them in patience and meekness , and believe in the light of christ which is in your consciences , which christ hath lightened every man that commeth into the world withall , that you may come to the knowledge of the truth , and out of all false wayes , and if any of you will returne an answer hereunto , in behalfe of your whole body , and can be able to clear your selves in writing from what is charged upon you , it shall be gladly received by me , and a reply in meekness returned to you for the further manifestation of truth , that truth and righteousness may clearely appear , and be imbraced , and all deceit and false wayes of antichrist may be confounded , and denied , and who are in the truth shall be confirmed , and who are in the error may have warning now in the day of the worlds visitation ; the lord is coming , to judgment , who will judge the secrets of all hearts , and the whole world in equity . dunkirk 20. of 3. moneth 1659. english account . by a friend unto righteousness , and a lover of all souls . edward burrough . this was sent to the chief rector of the iesuites colledge in dunkirk , in latine . friend , thy wisdom and thy knowledge is earthly and sensuall , and thereby canst thou not know the things of the kingdom of god , thou canst neither learn them thy self nor teach them to others , for thou art but a blind leader of the blind , and thus saith the lord god unto thee , the fruitles tree is standing in thee that brings forth no fruit unto god , & the head of the serpent is not broken in thee that deceives the soul , nor the body of sin put off that burdens the just , and the sword shall cut thee to pieces , even the sword of the lord it shall slay thee ; and friend , the time is at hand , that the lord will make thee know , that thou art and hast been in thy life time a dishonour to him , and that thou hast not serv'd him , but thy self and the divil , and thy heart is not right in his sight , but is corrupt and deceitfull , for thou art tryed , and measured , and thou art found wanting in all things , and god will judge thee , and the witness in thy conscience shall answer his judgments , and all thy idolatrous practises and profession of religion , and church , and ministry , thy many prayers , and thy works of righteousness , all this shall not hide thee from thee wrath of the lamb , though now thou art hardened , and utterly insensible , yet the stone shall fall upon thee that will grind thee to powder , and thou shalt not escape , but the burden of thine own iniquities shall weigh thee down into perdition , except thou speedily repent . therefore fear and tremble before the lord god , and remember thou art warned by one that seeks the peace of souls , but makes war by the sword of the spirit against the kingdom of the divil and antichrist in whom soever it stands . and friend , answer me this one querie ; what is that whore that hath sat upon multitudes , and peoples ? and what is that golden cup in her hand ? and what are the abominations and fornications of which her cup is full , which she hath caused the kings and people to drink , and with which she hath deceived the world ? answer me this , and subscribe thy name . e. b. and now this i have to say concerning the church of rome , to them , & to all the world , as having been in a measure an eye and eare witnesse of their idolatrous and false waies , practices and doctrines , never having in all my daies , till this time and at this opportunity of going to dunkirk ; not having any knowledge outwardly what their waies and practices were ; not having any knowledge i say by my sigh● , and particular hearing concerning them , without me , otherwise then what the spirit of the lord within me did make manifest : though from a child the spirit of the lord in me hath abhorred popery , and all that which savours of i● : but now having been an eye and eare witnesse in a little measure of their practices and doctrines , this i have to say to them , and all men ; blindnesse and ignorance covers them as with a mantle , and they are wrapped up in the body of darknesse , and grosse darknesse they do dwel in ; and all their waies and worships are but the works of darknesse , which they are led on in by the false feigned spirit of imitation , from one generation to another , being exercised therein : and the sense of the spirit of life they have not , but have wholy lost it ; and they know nothing at all of the leading of it , nor of its teaching : this they hisse at as a thing of nought when it is spoken of to them . they have even sold themselves into the land of ignorance and blindnesse , and they hate to be reformed : they are setled upon a false foundation , even the traditions of men , which the lord will break down , and their whole building will fall . and when i consider how thousands and ten thousands lies in the captivity of blindnesse and darknesse under them , my heart is rent for them , upon the consideration how they are led in darknesse and blindnesse , and how they rest in a false confidence which will destroy their souls , and the blood of many rests upon the heads of them that leadeth them ; for they that lead them cause them to erre , and the blood of souls will be required at their hands . and as for the poor and the common sort of them , there is a pity in me for them ; because they are led by the blind , and are out of the way : but as for the priests and jesuites , and clergy men they are to be cut off with the edge of the sword of the lord god , and the woe is unto them , and no pitty , because they cause the people to erre , and keeps the people in ignorance and blindnesse , under their false and unrighteous waies and worships . and this i know , the word of the lord is gone forth against the whole body of the romish-church , from the head to the tail of them will ▪ god plead with them ; the time is at hand , and his eye shall no● pitty , neither shall his hand spare to punish them : the decree of the lord is sealed and he will take vengeance upon their unrighteous lawes , which binds the consciences of people , and limits the spirit of the holy one ; their unrighteous ecclesiastical lawes i meane , under which is defended all manner of idolatry , and they compel people to be idolaters by a law , and whereby they drink the blood of the saints , and of the martyrs ; but the lord will take vengeance upon them ; and disannul their covenants and decrees ; and his spirit shall not be limited , but shall rend them to pieces , even their laws and cruelties , and inquisions by which they are defended , and their religion upheld in the world , and whereby they kill the j●st , and murders the innocent that are better then they : for the fulnesse of time is come , and all these shall be tumbled down , for their unjust lawes and inquisi●ions are the main strength and pillars of their church , whereby their church and worishp doth stand ; and if they had not these cruel lawes and inquisitions to defend themselves by in their religion , they would be soon prevailed against , for they have nothing of the spirit and authority of god to stand in , nor to fight with , against such as do oppose them ; but their weapons are carn●l and devilish , and by murders , oppressions , and tyrannies they do defend themselves , and when these things are broken down , then their church cannot stand long . and as sure as the lord lives , so shall it come to passe , a generation shall accomplish it , and in the generation of the righteous seed it shall be finished , their lawes shall be broken down , and murders avenged ; and their weaknesse shall then appear , and their whoredomes and idolatries , and all their abomin●tions shall be made naked , and uncovered , and judged by the lamb , and them that follow him , whom he will gather to fight his battle . and if the people were but sensible hereof , as in measure i am , through the zeal of the lord , it would raise up the spirit of zeal in them all , to seek vengeance and the overthrow of all their unrighteous lawes , and inquisitions , and murders , which keeps people in darknesse and ignorance , and kills the just , that the creatures may be saved and tyranny condemned ; and when once the lord doth but reach forth his arme , then shall people be awakened to mind what i now say . who would spare their own lives for the accomplishing of such a work , that the spirit of the lord may have liberty , and that which limits it may be dashed to pieces ? and that the earth may be set at liberty , and all europ made free from the cruel●ies and tyranies of antichrist and of the whore ? and to all you papists i say , and to all the body of the church of rome , prepare , prepare , for the lord god is comming up against you in his dreadful power ; his word of eternal judgement is gone forth , and his vials are full of wrath to be poured forth , and he will be avenged upon your tyrannies and murthers , and unequal lawes , and subdue them before him . and his d●ead shall ●all upon your consciences , ye that are idolaters , hypocrites , ignorant wretches , wilful persons and bondslaves of satan , the plagues of god , and the wrath of the lamb shall reach un●o yo●r high throne . repent , repent , for the lords wrath is kindled against you , and if there be any among you that feareth the lord , let him deliver his own soul , by turning from your abominations , least the lord come upon you and destroy you altogether . give up your inquisitions , give up your unjust lawes , and cease to murther the innocent , and torment the righteous . i demand this of you on the lords behalfe , vex not the lord any longer , for his patience is turned into anger against you , and his long-suffering will become fury to devour you . and no little service we had in dunkirke among our english army . divers meetings we had in the town , and declared the message of salvation . and i must commend the spirit of our english men for moderation , more then the men of any other nation ; and i did many times clear my conscience among them , both as they were men , sons of adam , and in relation to an eternal state did direct them to the way of happinesse , out of sin and wickednesse , that they might come to god ; preaching the everlasting gospel , that as they were sons of adam in trangression , they might come to be healed , and come into christ the power and wisdome of god , and might be saved . again , as they were soldiers , and as they were an army , i was moved to speak mcuh unto them , that they might know what their service was there in that state , some time saying unto them , it was possible the lord might have some good work to do by them , if they were faithful and no● seek themselves , but the glory of the lord . and at one time being sent for by governor lockhart , where there were many officers with him , & we had much discourse with them ; and this lay upon me to declare in the name of the lord unto them , that if they did enterprize any businesse as they were an army , in a spirit in opposition unto us , and in that spirit that did reject us , and deny us , and gain say us , then should they never prosper in any enterprize whatsoever ; but if they went on in any degree in the fear of the lord , and in that spirit that was among us , then should they overcome their enemies , and none should have power over them , nor overcome them . and after i was parted from them , this following paper was upon me to write unto the whole army in general , both to officers and soldiers . to the english army , to officers and souldiers . friends , i am moved to clear my conscience unto you , in the sight of the lord to warn you , that you may all learn wisdom and the fear of the lord god , and may stand in his counsel alwayes , for that will be a defence unto you at all times , and therein will you prosper in the lords work , and chiefly unto you , the small remnant of our english army in and about dunkirk ; i say unto you officers and souldiers , fear the lord god , and walk in his wisdom , and every particular person amongst you , inquire of the lord , what he requires of you , inquire of the lord i say , and know his will , and be obedient unto it in all things , and so shall you prosper in standing in gods counsel , and in performing his will , and so shall you be exalted , and have victory over your enemies , even as you seek the honour of the lord and his glory ; for if you honour him , and do that which is acceptable to him , he will honour you , and set you a top of all your enemies , and he will make way through the mountains even by you for the further appearance of his glory , and he will honour you as his workmen , if you be faithful to him , and walk in his counsel and wisdom , till he hath prepared his own way by you ; for assuredly it is not in vain , but the lord had some end in it , to himself , in bringing you to that place , and what do you know but he may have some good work for you to do , it is possible there is more in his heart , and in his purpose , concerning you then yet may be discovered to you ; wherefore it is good for you , that you waite upon the lord , to know his will fully concerning you , that you may do it , and fulfill it , and therein shall be your crown , but on the contrary dependeth your misery and destruction . and this i do know , that the lord hath owned and honoured our english army , and done good things for them and by them in these nations in our age , and the lord once armed them with the spirit of courage and zeal against many abominations and tyrannies , and he was with them in many things which he called them to , and gave them victory and dominion over much injustice and oppression , and over tyrants and cruel laws and he was with them till that a spirit of vain glory and ambition and self-seeking , and the honour of this world entered into some and defiled the whole body , & made it deformed & void of its former beauty , and of its valour and nobleness also , at which the anger of the lord was kindled , and against you also was his hand turned , with the losse of his presence , because the sincerity & the faithful principle was almost choaked & the good eaten out from amongst you , by the false spirit of self-seeking and vain glory , which was entered into the hearts of many but this is to the army in general , and to say no more of it to you , only that you might search your own hearts , and may be purged , and may again return to the old spirit of righteousness , which will reach after the liberty of the people and the freedom of the nations , and that all oppression and tyranny and unjust powers may be broken down to the dust before you , and be subdued by you as your prey , and that there be no more a looking back by you for rest and ease in the flesh , in great houses of residence , till you have visited rome and inquired after , and sought out the innocent blood that is buried therein , and avenge the blood of the guiltless through all the dominions of the pope , the blood of the just it cryes through italy and spain , and the time is come that the lord will search it and seek it out and repay it , and it would be your honor to be made use of by the lord in any degree in order to this matter , whether the lord will revenge the grievous blood-guiltiness that lies upon them , by himself without an instrument , or whether by you or others as an instrument , whether this way or another ; that god will do it , this i determine not , but this i do know , the time is not long , that he will one way or another avenge and revenge the blood of the just upon the murderous head ; and this i also believe that the lord will do it , or make way hereunto even by you , the men of our english nation , if you be faithful to him , and do what he requires of you , for what are these few poor islands that you have run through , and laid many mountains low , and wounded the remainder of the romish idolatry that was standing in the beginning of your wars , and the remaining part thereof , which stood between the dayes of queen mary , and the last years of charles hath received a mortal blow , both by you , and partly as preparers of the way , but what are these little islands of england , & scotland ▪ ireland , they are but little in comparison of the great part of christendom in which idolatry , tyranie and grievous oppressions do abound , which the hand of the lord is against , and which he will take vengeance upon ▪ oh did you but see and perfectly know , the cruelties , the oppressions , the idolatries , the murders , and all whatsoever that is evil , both in civil and ecclesiastical state , that is brought forth and rules in full power in all the popes dominions ; i do say , were you but fully acquainted with all these things , and also of the purpose of the lord , which is speedily to visit them with his rod , it would awaken you , and stir you up , and it would set your spirits on fire of a great zeal with desires of no greater honour , then to be instruments in any degree towards the executing of so good a work , even towards the relieving of the oppressed , and breaking the bands of crueltie , that the nations may come to rest , and may no more be captivated with the chains of antichrist ; i do say it would be your greatest honour to be instruments in such a work , and do you know what the lords purpose is concerning you ? onely this i do know , the lord hath a love to the men of our nation , and there is a spirit in them most fitting for such a work , even the zeal of the lord hath appeared , and is beginning to appear against babylon , and against rome the seat of the whore ; and the kingdom of antichrist shall be thrown down , and the righteous people shall go free , and nations shall worship the lord ; but there is many mountains in the way , wherefore hew down the tops , strike at the branches , make way , that the axe may be laid to the root of the tree ; that your sword , and the sword of the lord , may neither leave root nor branch of idolatrie , oppressions and tyranie , which the nations are held in slaverie under , and oppressed withall , to the grieving of the righteous soul , and vexing of the spirit of the lord . oh how great is their idolatries ! you see a little part thereof amongst you , oh what false , fained , deceitful and hypocritical services do they practice ? their imag●s , their pictures , and their praying before them , which is idolatrie their candles burning , and their organs and instruments of musick and fained singings , all this is idolatrie and superstition ; and a vexation to the lord , and that law which imposeth them upon people contrarie to a good conscience , and that law which condemns others as hereti●ks that will not worship thus , and that power that kills and destroyes those that acts against those worships , laws and powers ought ye to make war against , and to claim a disannulling of all such lawes and authorities , by which this idolatrie is imposed upon peoples consciences , and established in the nations , and by which many are destroyed and condemned who cannot bow to their idolatries ; such lawes are not to stand before you , for these be the bryars and thorns which covers the great mountains , whom the whore sitteth upon , which the lord will judge ; did you but know all their unrighteous lawes , murders and all cruelties which is abounding among them , and they have a dispensation to commit unrighteousness , those lawes ought to be judged and destroyed , and your sword is to be lifted up against them ; it is the lords work , i know , to make men truely religious , but yet the lord may work by you , to break down the bryars , and thorns , and rocks and hills , which hath set themselves against the lord , and which keeps people under the chains of idolatry , so that they commit idolatry , and are compelled to it , and defended in it , even by a law ; but the lord will confound all this , either by means or without means , for such is their oppression in their ecclesi●stical state , and their unjust laws whereby their church is established and defended , that it causeth the very earth to mourn , and the spirit of the righteous to faint , and their hearts to fail because of oppression , to murder , & steal and rob , and to commit adultery , these are accounted little sins amongst them , they are even tolerated and pardoned by the pope for a little money ; and if they slay a man , and wilfully murder him , ●hey can run to their altar , there they can have a dispensation of a wicked pardon , and here is a law that tolerates murder , and the greatest sins ; whereby it is hard for any that fears god for to be amongst them , and blood , blood lies upon their whole dominions , and the guilty goes free and uncondemned and the innocent suffers unjustly , for if any diminish from about their mass-houses to the value of a peny , that is death by their law , while murder is tolerated ; and here is nought but tyranie and oppression abounding , even great mountains , which must be thrown down , and for which the sword of the lord must come upon them ; and god will make their riches , and their falsely consecrated vessels and treasures ; even a spoil and a prey unto you , if you be faithful unto the lord ; wherefore all you officers , fear the lord god , and be not ambitious nor vain-glorious , nor seek not your selves to gain unto your selves kingdoms , to exalt your own horn , for if you go in this way , and if this be your end , then your end shall be frustrated , & you shall not prosper ; for the lord will lay you aside with shame unto you ; but let it be your work & your aime to require and demand the disanulling of their inquisions and cruel lawes , both in their church and civil state , and that christ alone may exercise the peoples consciences neither be ye as lords nor tyrants over your poor souldiers , but be ye loving and meek towards them , i say unto you officers and to all you that bear rule in the army , be loving and kind and gentle unto all under your authority , & be not as tyrants nor oppressors over your poor souldiers , but be examples of all goodness unto them , and give them no evil examples in your lives and conversations , but lead them in the fear of the lord , and know a measure of his wisdom in you , whereby you may walk before them , and they may possesse their freedoms in their conditions , and may not be as slaves ●o you , but as servants to the lord in their places , and herein shall you be blessed as you fulfill that which the lord requires . and likewise unto all the souldiers i say , that ye may be sober and moderate , and faithful to the lord , and not go in the excess and superfluity of this creation , but may be all kept low in your hearts , and tender towards god , and obey them that have power over you in all things which are just , and be not deboist nor given to vanity , but all of you both officers and soldiers live in that which keeps your consciences void of offence , and that you may be clear and free in your own spirits from the abominations of the nations , and then you will be a terror to the evil in all people wheresoever you come , and being clear and free in the sight of the lord , having no sin lying upon your consciences , then shall you face your enemies with courage , and not fear death , but shall be ready to lay down your lives for a testimony of jesus in a good cause , and upon good engagements ; and if the lord be your fear , then no man can make you afraid , but you will be in that which overcometh the unrighteous power within you and without you also , and here is the true honour , and in this it doth consist , in victory over all that which is contrary to god ; and here is the true way to happynesse and prosperity in this life , and in the life to come , by seeking his glory , and not your own ; and all of you come to the light of christ , that christ hath lighted you with all , and that will teach you all things what you ought to do , and what you ought not to do ; for that light of christ within you ought to be the guide of all the children of men , in every state , place , and condition , and upon this you are to wait for counsel to receive it from the lord , by that of him made manifest within you ; and as for all your outward teachers that hath used their tongues amongst you , and said , the lord saith it , when god hath not spoken to them , nor sent them , and that preach for hire and sums of mony , and these are them that cannot profit the people , nor ever bring you to the knowledge of god , nor give you counsel from the lord , and if you seek to uphold them and defend them , against the power of the lord , and his word which is gone forth against them , then shall you not prosper but fall with them , and if you do enterprize any work in that spirit that doth oppose the spirit of christ jesus in his people , you can never have good success , but the lord will confound you before your enemies ; and so now that you may all come into the new covenant to be taught of the lord , and to be far from all oppression , this is the thing that you are all to wait for , and to know the power of the lord , and to go on in that , against unrighteous men and unrighteous lawes , which are set up in the nations , that they may be destroyed and brought under , and yet though such a victory would be honourable unto you , yet there is a victory more honourable , to wit , the victory over sin and death , and the devil in your selves , and that you are to mind , and there is a kingdome which is not of this world , which cannot be obtained by an outward sword , and this kingdom are you to wait for , that you may know it and feel it in your own particulars ; and this is the doctrine of the gospel of peace unto you , and the glad tidings held forth unto all of you ; come into the power of the lord , and minde it , that you may be lead of it , and then may you be fit instruments for the lord to work by ; and take heed how you oppose those whom the lord hath sent , and is sending abroad in the nations , to proclame the mighty day of the lord , they are no enemies to you nor to any mans person , and therefore be tender over them , for they go about the lords work ; of this i warne you all in the presence of the lord ; and so you dwelling in the power of the lord , there is nothing shall destroy you , nor confound you , but you shall have victory over all your enemies within you , and without you , and the lord will make you a dread and a fear to the nations , and so this is a warning unto you all , both officers and soldiers , that you may minde what the work of the lord god is in the nations , your worke hath been , and may be honourable in its day and season ; but he hath a work more ho●ourable to work after you ▪ that is to destroy the kingdome of the devil , and the ground of wars ; and your victorie hath been of the lord , but there is a more honourable victory to be waited for , even the victory over sin ; and so we are the friends of the creation , that doth preach this victory and this kingdom and peace , which is endlesse and everlasting , and which many are come into , yet we reject not the state , and work and victory and honour of a soldier , but hath a respect thereunto in their season ; and as for the many and divers sorts of worship which is come up since the dayes of the apostles , and are of the whore and not of the true church , they are all to be thrown down , and the worship that is in spirit and truth to be set up by the lord , and he is gathering people into that worship , but if you be out of the fear of god in the rudenesse and wickednesse of the world ; and seeks your selves and not the freedom of the nations onely , then the lord will lay you aside as a broken potsherd , and raise up unto himselfe a people that shall fulfill his work and do it ▪ for he hath much work to do in the nations , to accomplish in a few years time , for he is gathering his elect seed , and changing the kingdomes of the world , and making them become the kingdomes of christ , and so be low in your own eyes , and do not seek your selves , but seek one anothers good , and seek the glory of the lord , and the freedome of the oppressed , and in that you will be blessed and prosper till you have set up your standard at the gates of rome . i am a lover of all your souls , and a sufferer in patience under the cruelties of men . e. b. and some small discourse we had with our english priests , that supplies the place of chaplains to the army ; and in particular , one of them which had spoken something behind our backs against us , and we did proffer to have some discourse with him , but he refused it ( only to evade the matter at that present ) he bid us state some of our principles in writing , and he would answer them in dispute in some publike place ; & being he was not willing to engage to dispute otherwise , we were free to write this following paper , but we had no answer in agreement to dispute with us , but shifted the thing from himself , by telling us the governor was not willing ; but t● is was not the same priest before mentioned that we had discourse with at our first coming into the town . friend , for the manifestation of truth , and that the perfect difference between thee and us may be known , and who are in the truth , and who in the error , and that truth from error may be clearly discerned , therefore according to thy own proposals and expressed desires thereof before many , we do here assert some particulars of that truth which we have received from god , and do hold forth and maintain in the world , in opposition to thee or any other that shall gainsay them , viz. 1. that christ hath lightened all men with a light sufficient in it self to bring them to salvation , if they follow it . 2. that god hath given christ to be the saviour of all men . 3. that none are justified by christ and his righteousnesse without them ; but as they have received christ and his righteousness , and witness them revealed in themselves . 4. that the saints of god may be perfectly freed from sin in this life , so as no more to commit it . 5. that the national ministers and churches , not only of papists , but of the protestants also ( as they now stand ) are not the true ministers and churches of christ . 6. that the scriptures are a true declaration given forth from the spirit of god by holie men of god , moved by it to write them , and are profitable , but are not the foundation , nor the most perfect rule of faith and life to the saints . these things we are freelie willing and desirous to discourse upon , with thy selfe and anie others that shall join with thee , in the presence of sober and wise men , who may judge between us , in anie publick place that may be procured by thee according to thy engagements in this particular , provided it may be in the spirit of meeknesse , and moderation , and that all fair and sober dealing may be among us , and the fear of god ; and to this we expect thy speedie answer , concerning time and place . e. burrough . s. fisher . the propositions were writ as short as could be , for to stop all advantages against us , that might be taken by our adversarie , in case he had met us , and agreed to dispute , but upon enlargement in discourse , we might have laid open the truth of everie one of these particulars at large , to the satisfaction of sober minds ; that might have been doubtfull hereof , and shewed by the scriptures , the truth of all of them . the end . to the beloved and chosen of god in the seed elected particularly in london and elsewhere, who have seen the day of christ, and received the message of peace and reconciliation in these last dayes of his glorious appearance. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30549 of text r13767 in the english short title catalog (wing b6036). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 19 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 5 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30549 wing b6036 estc r13767 12033701 ocm 12033701 52834 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30549) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 52834) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 861:25) to the beloved and chosen of god in the seed elected particularly in london and elsewhere, who have seen the day of christ, and received the message of peace and reconciliation in these last dayes of his glorious appearance. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 8 p. printed for thomas simmons ..., london : 1660. reproduction of original in huntington library. caption title. signed at end: e.b. attributed to edward burrough. cf. bm. publication information taken from colophon. eng society of friends -great britain. a30549 r13767 (wing b6036). civilwar no to the beloved and chosen of god in the seed elected, particularly in london and elsewhere, who have seen the day of christ, and received th burrough, edward 1660 3932 1 0 0 0 0 0 3 b the rate of 3 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the b category of texts with fewer than 10 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-01 aptara keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-02 mona logarbo sampled and proofread 2004-02 mona logarbo text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion to the beloved and chosen of god in the seed elected , particularly in london and elsewhere , who have seen the day of christ , and received the message of peace and reconciliation in these last days of his glorious appearance . the dear salutation of my life salutes you all , in the most pure and dearest love with which i am beloved of the father , and with which also at this present my heart is filled and issueth forth towards you , and the whole body of elected ones , and the remembrance of you in the lord is very precious unto me , as i see and behold you , and hath fellowship with you in the immortal life , which the father hath begotten in you and in me , and in which my knowledge is of you , and my unity with you , and therein onely is the remembrance of my dearest love unto you , and in which i hope i am also known and remembred of you , even in the spiritual relation and heirship of immortality , being fellow citizens of the heavenly ierusalem , and children of her conception and bringing forth . now my dearest friends , seeing you have believed in the light & life of men , even in him that was , and is , and is to come , and have also tasted of that all fulness that is in him , you have a witness in your selves , even of the spirit of the father which is greater then all , and you need no other testimony but that of the spirit , that the lord is good and full of grace , truth , mercy , peace , and joy , even the full fountain and treasure of all vertue and blessednesse in this present time and hereafter ; i say , if you have tasted and felt of immortal life , and if the fountain hath been opened in you , and you have seen his glory , and received of his treasure , then the evidence dwells in you of eternal blessedness , and no man needs to teach you of these things , nor to say unto you know the lord , if you dwell in him and go no more forth , yet bear with me a little , that i may speak and be refreshed , not to deminish from what testimony you have in you , but the rather to add towards it ; for my witnesse is not another , but the same which ye enjoy , which is faithful and true ; and this i say , oh how great , how mighty and powerful is the lord our god everlasting and infinite ; he is that eternal spirit that filleth all , the creator and being of all things that are , the life and virtue in all , and the invisible substance greater then all , he is in himself the immesurable and infinite fulnesse , the fountain of life , of mercy , and righteousnesse and peace , and of all virtue , and of every good thing , who can declare his beginning , or end ? he is without time , place or thing , yet gives being to all , and is present in all , yet not known , saving of himself , and by his own spirit , yet he effecteth all things , and worketh whatsoever he will ; who can utter his wonderous works ? who can number his mercies ? who can account his infinitenesse ? who can behold his invisibility ? who can reach his endlesse being ? he filleth heaven and earth , and of his fulnesse every creature in heaven and earth receiveth , and by him doth subsist , though it is onely given unto mankinde to behold and perceive of him , it is onely his gift unto his saints that fear him , to understand of his ways , and in us he hath opened of his fulnesse and treasure , even in our hearts , and the divine mistery of this infinite god is revealed and discovered in the hearts of the sons of men whom he hath chosen ; and he hath given us to enjoy and possesse in us a measure of that fulness that is in himself , even a measure of the same love and life , of the same mercy and power , and of the same divine nature , and a measure of the same heavenly quality and property which is in him in all fulnesse , dwelleth in us his saints by measure , even in all that are born of him , in whom the immortal birth is brought forth , which is of his own nature , and is immortal , spiritual , holy , meek , merciful , even as the father ; for the quality of him that hath begotten , is in us that are begotten of him , we bear his image and are of the father , partakers of his substance , immortal and infinite , and are one with him in nature and fellowship , and perfect through him that dwells in us , and hath changed us into his likenesse ; these things ye know if ye be born from above , and if the immortal birth live in you , and ye be constant in the faith , then are ye heirs through it , of the everlasting inheritance of eternal life , and already have received the earnest , and assurance thereof , and all are yours , because you are christs , and he is gods , and you have the father and the son . and this life and immortality is brought forth in us , and infinitenesse it self dwells with us , and eternity possesseth us , and fulnesse it self is shed abroad in our hearts , and we have the treasure of life , of wisdome , of knowledge , and of divine fulnesse in our tabernacles of clay , which also are sanctified by his word and power to be fit habitations for the eternal god to dwell in ; and oh what love is this with which we are beloved by him ! oh what mercy is this of which we partake from him ! who are become the sons of god and children of the most high , in whose earthen vessels dwells immortality and life , and infinite substance , being gathered into his shepheards fold of defence , where we have immortal food , and are established on the holy mountain where nothing can destroy , and are at rest and peace under the shadow of the rock of ages , that hell nor death , nor wrath of man can terrifie ; oh what eye hath seen this , what ear hath heard it , and what heart hath perceived it , and not admired the loving kindnesse of the lord ? who among you are witnesses of this , that sayes not , great and infinite is the lord , and immeasurable in mercy , and truth , and righteousnesse ; oh friends , if ye know these things , and if ye receive daily of this fulnesse , and if the measure of that immortal life be risen in you , and hath raised up you with its self into its own fulnesse , which once was descended out of its own fulnesse of eternal rest , and strength , and was manifest in its measure , in poverty and weaknesse in your hearts , in the feeling of afflictions and wrath because of sin , but it descended to suffer all , and to bear transgression , that you might be raised with it into its life , and glory , and fulnesse ; and if this be finished and effected in you , oh then how shall you not live to his glory and praise in your generation , and in love , and peace , and unity with himself , and one with another , and magnifie him in soul and spirit that hath called you and chosen you , and now works all your works in you and for you , and you live by him , because he lives in you . but though it is thus that some are entred into the rest , and have received of his fulnesse , and hath the testimony of life and assurance in the father , and are risen with christ , yet are you and we and all the children of the father , so set and placed in this creation , as that there is an enemy to be ruled over , and also a service to be fulfilled by us for the lord that hath chosen us ; and therefore watchfulnesse and faithfulnesse is required from us ; and unto this i cannot but exhort you all , even to walk in the fear of the lord , in watchfulnesse and faithfulnesse , in humility and meeknesse , in truth and justice , and in every good thing , and that you fulfil the will of the lord in all things whatsoever the motions of his own life draws you unto , that every member of this infinite body which is highly exalted at his right hand , may be preserved in dominion over sin and death , and also may shew forth the honour , and glory , and praise of him who is the head ( even christ ) whose virtue hath annointed every member , and is shed abroad through the whole body ; i say friends , of every member is required the duty and service thereunto pertaining , according as it is placed of him , that the treasure of life may shew forth its virtue in one manner or another through you all in all well doing , to the glory of him who is god above all , and that in the sight of your enemies ( whom you know watches for evil , and would rejoice in any occasion against you , that they might speak evil of the lord because of you ) you may walk without offence in the answer of a good conscience , and if you walk as such as are the lords , you will cut off all occasions from them that seek it , and they will be confounded , and you preserved in the blessedness and peace everlasting , and you will grow in immortality , and into the knowledge and fulnesse thereof more and more till you know the father , even as you are known of him . and be not unmindeful of the word of lord wch begat you , wch first entred into your hearts , & wrought mightily in you to the wounding and destroying of death and emnity , and remember the travel of the dayes past , and the indignation which once you felt because of sin , through the word of god , and the word endures for ever , of which you are begotten ; and if any appearance of iniquity , or motion thereunto arise in you into desire to be fulfilled , the word will quench it , and give you dominion over sin and death , and save you from the effects thereof ; for the word changes not , but is the same alwayes , but if man change and pervert his way into iniquity , it reproves and corrects , and so delivers him , for this word keeps clean the heart , and it sanctifies , and also keeps in subjection the mortal man with all his thoughts , desires and actions , and destroys the man of sin , the sinful man by whom the whole creation hath been corrupted and perverted into evil in its practise of degenerate man , and if you forget the word , then iniquity prevails again and the love of this world and its vanities , and the riches and pleasures of the mortal man steals away the heart , and they possesse the habitation of god unrighteously , and all things are become sinful , and the body of death comes over the pure life , and peace with god in the conscience is lost , and that because the word of god is forgotten which once begat unto god , and where the unclean spirit enters again , the latter end of such is worse then the beginning , more sinful against god , and more hated of him ; and therefore let none follow the way of such , for it leads to death and darknesse , and misery will be the end of it . but friends , mind him and feel his power , who is the preserver of men in peace and righteousnesse , and let not up that part in you into liberty , into which satan enters and sowes his seed of degeneration , but live in the cross of christ , and in the meek and lowly spirit , that you may not do your own wills , but the will of the father , and may fear him and his goodnesse , and that subjecteth the ground of temptations that sin cannot prevail ; so shall your peace be everlasting , and your life as a river of pleasure , and joy and gladnesse shall be your daily portion , and the lord shall never forsake you , but be unto you a tower of strength , and habitation of peace , and a crown of victory and reward in this present time and for ever . and if ye abide in christ the vine into which you are planted by regeneration , then will your fruit be of the vine , and acceptable unto the father who is the good husbandman , and through his vertue you will grow into perfection as partaining to the conscience , where all guilt of sin is taken away , and the burden of iniquity and body of death clean removed away from you ; for that is perfection as pertaining to the conscience where sin and transgression is done away , and power received over it , both in motion and action and the guilt of it , and the conscience sprinkled with the imortal blood of the lamb , and no stain nor guilt remaining , but peace altogether by the holy spirit in the conscience ; and this is perfection which was not attained to by outward things in the first covenant , but is witnessed in the second which the lord hath made with us , and confirmed unto us , where sin & iniquity is blotted out , and innocency & immortality lives and raigns ; and such stands before the throne of god without fault before him , & no guile in their mouthes , and these sings the song of the lamb & of the redeemed where all sorrow is fled away , if so be that the burden and guilt of all tansgression be removed , then there is no cause of sorrow ; and blessed are they that dwells here , and that are entred into the everlasting rest , even into god , for he is the rest of the immotal soul and the life of it ; and if ye know these things , ye have satisfaction and comfort , which none knows but they that have it , it s the portion of the redeemed , whose father , master , ruler , judg and king is the lord god and the lamb , and we are sujects of that kingdom , and free born of that city the heavenly ierusalem , and we are made free through the price of immortal blood , and then how can any of you that are such serve this world and the vanities of it , by any immoderate care or desire or exercise in earthly things , for this is the bondage of egypt , but the children are free from it , and are not intangled concerning the things of this world , but they are subjected under , and the inheritance of a better portion is their crown & substance ; and esaus portion is the earth , he that hath no assurance in god ; wherefore live above this world in the seed of god , and be without immoderate care in every thing , as to earthly matters , not taking thought what shall come , or be to morrow , neither cumbring your selves about uncertain riches , but leave the issue of all things to the lord , in whose hands are blessing and the curse , to give or take away according to his pleasure ; and be not servants unto but rulers over all affections in earthly things , for spiritual blessings are the crown , and the earth is the footstool of the lords redeemed . and as for the dayes and seasons in which we now are , let none be troubled as though it were not wel , or could be better , for all things are well that are come to pass , because the will of the lord hath effected them , either as the cause or as the means , and it is good for us that these things are so ; for the prosperity of our kingdom is going on through all , the hammer is beating upon the rocks that wil beat them to pieces , and the ax is hewing down the ceders , & the little stone prevails against the many headed beast ; and the image of idolatry is weakning and the holy seed growes in strength and vertue , and the puropse of the lord can none prevent ; but the light of the sun must be as the light of seven dayes amongst us , and the day spring from on high hath already visited us , and we have seen of his glory ; wherefore let all the upright have patience and long suffering til the measure of iniquity in our adversaries be fullfilled , which is hastening to be accomplished , and transgression growes full , and sinners growes ripe for vengance , and we must pass over their mountain of darkness , and in the mean time the lord hides us under his shadow , even till transgression be finished , and covers us from the storm , and blinds the enemie , & turns his rage backward , and we are not destoyed , but our life is renewed , & righteousness , mercy and love are a defence about us , and how great is the kindness of the lord herein mine eye have seen it , and my heart meditateth thereon , the power and wisdom and love of the lord herein are very great , and who can find out the depth thereof , or declare his immeasurable power and wisdom . and thus the salutation of my life unto all the faithful is expressed , and i am well in him who is my fulness , and desires no more concerning you then your faithfulness in the cause of god , for without controversie the cause of god is with us , and on our part , and as you are faithful therein , that is my reward concerning you , and the addition to my joy ; and in the heavenly spirit of the lord god almighty are you committed unto him who is able to keep you , even to the end and in the end , to glorifie you in eternal life in rest and peace for ever ; and this is the portion of the faithful , and my desires on your behalfe , and my salutation of you , hoping that you have not so learned christ as to deny his because of the love or terror of this world , but that over all you will be preserved in faith and victory . i am now according to the will of the father in ireland , it is some weeks since i arrived at cork city in much peace and safty , with my dear companions , it having been long upon my spirit to visit the seed of god in this nation , even of love have i felt it in me and not of constraint ; but of a willing mind and free spirit , and not of force ; and after the time of patience and waiting for many days to see my way clear for it , the lord hath ordered it and brought it to pass acceptable unto me and many here ; and this is the time in which this visitation must be effected , for till now my way was not clear ; & but that this journey , hath laid upon me , i should have rejoyced to have been present among you either in testimony by suffering or otherwise , but this is the will of god . and it is in my heart to pass through this nation , and to visit the seed of god by the love and word of the father , as he gives of his life and strength and opens the way before me . i perceive in this land friends are generally well and truth grows in victory and dominion , and the lord is adding to the numberless number of them that must stand on mount zion ; and through the rage of men , and above it all , the little flock is preserved in its beauty , and the seed sown in weakness and afflictions is received and quickned in much power , which is my joy . about bristol i continued about two moneths in much precious service for the lord , and truth had good authority over all , and great acceptation in the hearts of many , and some convinced and others edified and confirmed , as many can witness in the spirit ; and until after the time of the fair i was not clear of that city , but imediately after i was free , and my way made very convenient and clear to this place ; and the hand of providence ordered all things very well on that behalfe , as i do hope , in the continuance of the power and presence of the lord with me through this work ; and in his power i am committed , even to do or suffer all things for his name sake , and that by vertue of his own life that dwells in me ; and the lord preserve all the brethren like minded that the work of the lord may be fulfilled and finished by us . amen . county of cork , the 2●th of the 6thmonth , 1660. e. b. the end . london , printed for thomas simmons , at the sign of the bull and mouth near aldersgate . 1660. a declaration of the present sufferings of above 140. persons of the people of god (who are now in prison,) called quakers: with a briefe accompt of about 1900. more ... together with the number of 21. persons who were imprisoned and persecuted until death. all which was delivered to tho. bampfield, then speaker of the parliament, on the sixth day of the second month, 1659 ... as also an accompt of some grounds and reasons, why for conscience sake we bear our testimony against divers customes and practices at this day in use amongst men. also a cry of great jndgement [sic] at hand upon the oppressors of the lords heritage, as received from him on the 18. day of the first month called march. with an offer to the parliament of our bodies, person for person to be imprisoned, for the redemption of our brethren, who are now in bonds for the testimony of jesus. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a77940 of text r203719 in the english short title catalog (thomason e977_7). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 96 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 25 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a77940 wing b5993 thomason e977_7 estc r203719 99863565 99863565 115771 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a77940) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 115771) images scanned from microfilm: (thomason tracts ; 145:e977[7]) a declaration of the present sufferings of above 140. persons of the people of god (who are now in prison,) called quakers: with a briefe accompt of about 1900. more ... together with the number of 21. persons who were imprisoned and persecuted until death. all which was delivered to tho. bampfield, then speaker of the parliament, on the sixth day of the second month, 1659 ... as also an accompt of some grounds and reasons, why for conscience sake we bear our testimony against divers customes and practices at this day in use amongst men. also a cry of great jndgement [sic] at hand upon the oppressors of the lords heritage, as received from him on the 18. day of the first month called march. with an offer to the parliament of our bodies, person for person to be imprisoned, for the redemption of our brethren, who are now in bonds for the testimony of jesus. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. [2], 44, [2] p. printed for tho. simmons, at the bull and mouth, near aldersgate, london : 1659. signed on e2v, f1v: e.b., i.e. edward burrough. the last leaf is blank. annotation on thomason copy: "april. 23". reproduction of the original in the british library. eng society of friends -doctrines -early works to 1800. quakers -england -early works to 1800. persecution -england -early works to 1800. a77940 r203719 (thomason e977_7). civilwar no a declaration of the present sufferings of above 140. persons of the people of god (who are now in prison,) called quakers:: with a briefe burrough, edward 1659 16450 27 0 0 0 0 0 16 c the rate of 16 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the c category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2007-04 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2007-05 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2007-06 emma (leeson) huber sampled and proofread 2007-06 emma (leeson) huber text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-02 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a declaration of the present sufferings of above 140. persons of the people of god ( who are now in prison , ) called qvakers : with a briefe accompt of above 1900. more , being but a part of many more that have suffered within these six years last past , whose names and particular sufferings are not here set down . together with the number of 21. persons who were imprisoned and persecuted until death . all which was delivered to tho. bampfield , then speaker of the parliament , on the sixth day of the second month , 1659. by which all people may be made sensible of the great oppressions of the innocent , and lay them to heart , that the judgments of the lord may be prevented , which otherwise will fall heavy upon the oppressors , and all that are at ease in the flesh , and unsensible of the day of jacobs troubles . as also an accompt of some grounds and reasons , why for conscience sake we bear our testimony against divers customes and practices at this day in use amongst men . also a cry of great judgement at hand upon the oppressors of the lords heritage , as received from him on the 18. day of the first month called march . with an offer to the parliament of our bodies , person for person to be imprisoned , for the redemption of our brethren , who are now in bonds for the testimony of jesus . london , printed for tho. simmons , at the bull and mouth , near aldersgate , 1659. declaration of the present sufferings of above 140. persons of the people of god ( who are now in prison , ) called qvakers : with a briefe accompt of above 1900. more being but a part of many more that have suffered within these six years last past , whose names and particular sufferings are not here set down . together with the number of 21. persons who were imprisoned and persecuted until death . that so all people may be made sensible of the great oppressions of the innocent , and lay them to heart , that the judgements of the lord may be prevented why otherwise will fall heavy upon the oppressors , and all that are at ease in the flesh and unsensible of the day of jacobs troubles . as also an accompt of some grounds and reasons why for conscience sake we bear our testimony against divers customes and practices at this day in use amongst men . also a cry of great judgement at hand upon the oppressors of the lords heritage , as received from him on the 18. day of the first moneth called march . london , printed for thomas simmons at the bull and mouth near aldersgate . 1659. to the parliament of the common-wealth of england . being a declaration of the names , places and sufferings of such as now are in prison for speaking the truth in several places : for not paying tithes : for meeting together in the fear of god : for not swearing : for wearing their hats : for being accounted as vagrants : for visiting friends , and for things of the like nature , in all about 144. besides , imprisoned and persecuted till death 21. also a briefe narrative of the sufferings within the last six years , or thereabouts , of about 1960. persons already returned , being but part of many more , whose names and sufferings are not yet returned ; all which is desired may be read and considered of by this parliament , that right-may be done . first , for speaking the truth in several places berk-shire . john evans cast into prison at redding for speaking to a priest at shaw near newberry . cambridge-shire . john norris of swasey committed to prison at cambridge for asking the priest of hardwick a question . william allen of okington for bidding the people ( after their evening sacrifice was ended ) to fear and tremble at the name of the lord , was committed to prison . canterbury . thomas pollard prisoner there for speaking in the steeple-house . cumberland . george wilson , prisoner at carlisle , and also matthew dickson at lampligh , for speaking to the priest . devon-shire . john roet , for bidding the people at the steeple-house at tiverton in devon to mind the truth of god , was cast into prison at tiverton , and sorely abused , and denied straw to lie on ; and they would not suffer friends to bring him provision , but still remains a prisoner . edward bradford for speaking to a priest now in prison at exon. essex . william monk of sanden , for going into the steeple-house , and asking the priest a question , was committed to prison . william allen , for exhorting people to repentance in the town-street of wetherfield , as he was going to a meeting , was committed to prison by dudly temple , justice so called , and hath remained prisoner above these six moneths . john claydon of hadstock , arrested at the sute of thomas wallis of that town for words pretended he should maliciously speak against him , and cast him into prison , where he hath been a prisoner four months . glocester-shire . deborah harding being moved of the lord to speak to joseph woodward priest , was forced out , and carried before thomas escot , one of the justices , and sent to prison . hamp-shire . ja. potter , committed to the common goal at winchester , by wil. whither ▪ and ric. kinsmell , called justces , for reading a paper in the steeple-house yard , and at the following assizes , was fined 5. l. by judge nicholas for wearing his hat when he was brought into court , for which he was sent back to prison , and hath been a prisoner twenty moneths , and so still remaines . henry streaters wife committed to prison by justice reynolds , for speaking some of the prophets words , to priest corbet , as he was traveling on the way ▪ who hath a young child sucking , the said justice reynolds giving charge to the goaler , that she should be kept close prisoner , not having the liberty of common whores , that have bastards ; but is constrained to a little bad rome , where eight more are kept close prisoners . kent . elizabeth fowler , cast into the dungeon in the common goal , at tenterden , for speaking ; in a steeple-house , where she hath been ten weeks , committed by the mayor without bail or mainprize , and there still remaines . northampton-shire . john rogers , for speaking to william sanderson priest of hindon , after he had done and was come out of the pulpet , was committed to prison by john brown caled justice , and hath been a prisoner thirteen weeks , and so continues . john green of bugbrook , was cast into the county goal by justice benson , so called , for speaking to benjamin tompkins priest of hartpoor , and hath been in prison seven weeks , and so remaines . suffolk . anne blakelin prisoner in bury edmonds for speaking to a priest at haveril , and hath been kept prisoner there two years . sussex . iohn snashhold , for speaking in the steeple-house hath been kept prisoner fourty eight weeks . nicholas beard , for speaking to the priest is prisoner there also . worcester-shire . iohn clemance of evisham , prisoner there for going to a steeple-house . westmerland . richard hebson , was imprisoned for speaking to a priest where he and others were cruelly beat and abused , by an unmerciful goal or of apleby , and richard hebson being put forth of prison very weak , and bruised , died presently after . westminster . elizabeth peacock , for saying without faith they could not please god , is imprisoned in the gatehouse , by john maid-stone from white hall . wales . edward stephens , prisoner in tregarran , for speaking in a steeple-house . james jones prisoner there , for going to the steeple-house with edward stephens . tobias hodge and dorcas erberry , prisoners in cardiff , for going into the steeple-house or speaking there . wilt-sheir . francis taylor , prisoner at salisbury , for speaking in a steeple-house there , and very badly used by the constables , and people there , and then imprisoned by the justices so called , and lies very sick . york-sheir . daniel thackeray , was sent to the house of correction at wakefield by john dawson and martin isles , for witnessing the kingdom of heaven to be within , and at leeds sessions fined xs . and afterwards sent to the castle at yorke , where he remains prisoner , by william fenton , john payton , and john dawson , and martin isles . besides , for going into steeple-houses , streets and markets , and speaking to rulers priests or people in the fear of the lord , either by testifying against the world , that the deeds thereof are evil , or exhorting to the fear of god , and amendment of life , the hireling teachers , and persecuting rulers have cast into prisons , holes , and dungeons , there to lie for many moneths , under blooddy goalers , and some till death , to the number of 347. secondly , for not paying tithes . berk-shire . leonard cole , had three horses taken from him , for 5s . tithes , one of which horses the said cole was bid 3l . 10s . for ; which horse they sold , but returned nothing again ; afterwards , the said leonard cole was arrested by the priest of arberfield near redding , and thrown into prison , where he still lies . buckingham-shire . george salter , imprisoned at alesbury for tithes , he refusing to swear to his answer , to the priest of hidgerlys bill of complaint . cornwall . loveday hambly of tregongeeves , was at the suit of priest upcott priest of austel , persecuted and cast into prison for tithes , and hath been a prisoner about nine moneths , notwithstanding the said upcott did a little before her imprisonment take from her the said loveday hambly , as many cattel as were worth 40l . and upwards , for 5l . pretended to be due for tithes ; and is now a prisoner for about 13s and 4p . it is to be noted , that this woman hath been one of the best friends that this priest hath had . john hambly , in prison at bodmin for tithes , by a priest . cambridg-shire . john smith the elder , imprisoned at cambridge castle , at the suit of john fydoe priest of hardwick , for tithes , by a warrant given under the hands of thomas sclater , and james tomason justices , so called . john smith the younger of hardwick , was at the suit of the said priest fydoe , and priest cudworth , imprisoned for tithes in cambridge castle , and there remains a prisoner . robert letchworth , now of chesterton , but formerly of soam , was for tithes cast into prison , by the priest of soam ; and there hath been a prisoner above twelve moneths , and so remains . canterbury . william mott , prisoner there for tithes . robert minter , prisoner there for tithes , and hath had ninety pounds worth of goods taken from him for tithes , besides his imprisonment . edward noakes , imprisoned for tithes , and had goods taken from him , to the value of 98l . for tithes . cumberland . john nicholson , was by richard hutton priest , cast into the goal at carlisle for tithes , where he yet remains . dorchester-goal . nicholas masters of bradford , was committed to dorchester prison the ninth moneth , at the suit of ellis harvey , an impropriator for tithes , and so continues . francis beaton of overcomto , was likewise committed to prison , at the suit of robert bartlett clerk , in a plea of debt , falsly so called , but it was because for conscience he could not pay tithes , and still remains a prisoner . nicholas stone , committed to sherborn bridewell , by john huskins recorder , and the bayliffs of the same burrough onely , for going to a steeple-house , and not speaking a word till the priest had made an end . essex . robert abbott of colen , arrested and cast into prison f●r not paying tithes to richard harlackenden , of that town , and hath been a prisoner about eleven moneths . john adams of hadstock , in prison for not paying tithes , by thomas wallis , and hath been a prisoner about four months . edward morrel of thaxstead , in colchester goal for tithes . widdow ball , and her son william ball , earrested and cast into prison for not paying tithes to john wright priest of that town , and have been prisoners ten weeks . thomas monkford of salem , in prison for not paying tithes to john cooper , and hath been a prisoner thirteen months . henry smith of salem , was cast into prison for not paying tithes to anthony maxey , and hath been a prisoner six weeks . anthony page of salem in prison for not paying tythes to iohn cooper an impropriator , and hath been a prisoner thirteen moneths . james potter of mark stane in prison for not paying tyths to william turner of the said town impropriator , and hath been a prisoner five weeks . fleet-london . alexander heblethwaite , james corny , and richard robinson , hav●●●en prisoners there two years . david hall hath been prisoner there one and twenty moneths . henry gill●●th been prisoner there six moneths . gerard roberts four moneths and upward . iohn lucas hath been prisoner 15. moneths , and 8. moneths in alisbury , and ●even moneths in the fleet . william glydwel hath been prisoner 20 moneths , viz. 13. moneths in alisbury , and seven moneths in the fleet . william clater prisoner there 32. moneths , for tythes by a priest who carryed away his goods by cart-loads . andrew smith hath been prisoner first in colchester , and now in the fleet eighteen monethes . gloster shire . edward buden , and william peasly who made their personall appearance before the barons of the exchequer at the the suit of henry hen priest , and because for conscience sake they could not return their answer upon oath , a writ was issued forth against them , signed by georg raymond then high sheriff , by vertue whereof they were arrested and cast into glocester goal , and have remained prisoners a year and five moneths , for the value of tythes about twenty shilling●● piece . notwithstanding which , the priest henry hen did in the time of their imprisonment drive away three cows of the said edward buden , and six cows of the said william peasly , and remain prisoners still . francis pennel of awst is prisoner for tythes by reason of the said henry hen priest , and in the time of his imprisonment , nicholas ireland by a demise or grant from the said henry hen of the tythes , came with a wain and six men to fetch away loads of wheat , barly , and beans without any order of law or magistrate , and yet hath been a prisoner seventeen moneths and so remains . thomas beal at the suit of william benet priest of t●●ligh was for tythes cast into glocester goal , in which time the said priest bennet took away some of his corne and hay , the said priest being an officer in the late kings army , and the said thomas beal was in the service of the parliament both in england and ireland for divers years , the value of the tythes being but four shillings , and for which he hath been a prisoner 18. moneths . joseph tomlins , at the suit of robert wickens priest of toddenham , was cast into prison for tythes , and hath been there six moneths , and so still remaines . thomas white of hucklewait imprisoned fortythes at the suit of william bishop impropriator , and hath been a prisoner one year and ten months , and so remains , notwithstanding he is a poor man , and hath many children . henry lloyd and iohn cox , both prisoners in glocester goal for tythes pretended to be due to nicholas carey priest by the persecution of the priests servant . hartford-shire . george huckle , a poor old man living in hartford shire for denying to pay to thomas ridner priest of hitchin , offering mony , smoak money , and tythes of two years for ducks , turkeys , and a cow , was committed to prison , where he hath been a prisoner ten moneths , and so still remains , notwithstanding there is evidence under 20. mens hands from the parish where he dwelt ( sent to the late protector ) that the poor old man , hath not had nor kept any of those creatures these 20. years . nicholas lucas of trinn , for the value of three shillings tythes , was committed to harford gaol , and there remaines prisoner . huntington shire simon sanford for the value of three shillings & four pence tyths was by iohn manton priest of alcumburg subpoena'd to the exchequer who appeared in person , but his appearance could not be taken , so the priest got an attachment against him , by which he was cast into prison , where he hath been prisoner 12. moneths and so continues . thomas purchase by means of james bedford priest of blunsome was for tythes castinto prison the seventeenth day of the 9th . moneth , 1658. and remains a prisoner still . hamp-shire . william baker and richard baker committed to prison by iohn hook called justice , for saying that the priest of bromsale was a robber and covetous , for taking a cow from robert beadle , which the priest had caused to be taken away for 40s . tythes , pretended to be due to him , but the cow was worth 4l . 10s . and hath been a prisoner 7. weeks , and still remains so , and iohn day had four cow ; taken from him worth 12l . and 3l . onely was for tythes to the priest . now let those that are moderate consider who is the offender . ann potter imprisoned by priest bental in chegny court prison for tythes . and richard dean imprisoned at the same time for tythes . lincolne-shire . thomas brumby of fillingham , a poor old man , having a wife and many children , was committed to prison about the 18th . day of the 7. moneth 1657. for about 6s . tythes at the suit of ralph hollingworth priest of fillingham , yet the writ names neither priest nor tythes , by the tenor of the writ his body should have been had before the barons of the exchequer , from the day called st. michaels 3 weeks , to have answered the late protector of divers trespasses , contempts and offences ; but the poor old man hath suffered 66 weeks imprisonment , and still remaines a prisoner by the meanes of this priest ; which contemps , trespasses and offences were , for not paying the priests tythes . edmond wolsy was committed to prison the 12 day of the 12 moneth called february , at the suit of francis ball of sibsey for tythes , this persecutor is no priest but an impropriator as is supposed , who hath kept this poor man in prison 47. weeks , who is now dead . iohn pidd , richard pidd , and arnald trueblood all of beckingham were upon the 23th . day of the 9. moneth 1658. committed to goal for tythes , at the suit of georg farthing , lately houshold servant to joseph thurlsone priest of beckingham , the man pretends the priest let him a lease of the tythes of those people called quakers , two of which do still remain prisoners . and arnold trueblood since dyed in the pit of the said goal among fellons . lanca-shire . oliver atherton in prison hath been three moneths by the means of the countesse , so called , of darby for privy tythes under twenty shillings , and the servant of the said countesse hath taken from him 6l . worth of corne , and given no account . norfolk . william barber committed to norwich-castel for tythes and there remaines . northampton-shire edward roberts at the suit of lyonel godrick priest hath been in prison for tythes one year and two moneths , and the said priest did take from the said edward roberts four horses worth 28l . for tythes valued at three pounds , and yet notwithstanding he remains a prisoner , to the destroying and undoing of him , his wife and family , and the said priest told him to his face , it was pitty that he , and such as he should live in a common-wealth . peter makerness of findon sued for tythes by william downer impropriator , into the exchequer and because for conscience sake he could not swear to his answer , was committed to the county prison , and hath been there six moneths , and still remaines nottingham-shire . william smith in prison in that county for tythes at the suite of william pocklington farmer of tythes . oxford-shire . alexander harris imprisoned by william browne priest for the value of 7s . tythes , and hath been a prisoner twelve moneths , and so remaines . william cole of chalbury sued by the same priest for 7s . 6d . tythes , and cast into prison , where he hath been kept a year and ten moneths . thomas french of chippingnorton by the meanes of william norton tythe renter , was served up to london by a writ , for the value of 11s . tythes , and the said norton served those servants that were hired to carry in the corne , with a subpoena , and made them pay eleven shillings six pence , and cast two into prison where they have been nine moneths , and there still remains . suffolk . thomas jude hath been a prisoner in bury edmonds for tythes above twelve moneths , and so is kept . also richard white , and john easling are prisoners in ipswich for tythes . sussex . robert adams , and richard pratt have been prisoners in horsham goal one year for tythes . sommerset-shire . william serjeant , geo. taylor , and john dogget are prisoners in ivelchester goal for tythes . samuel clothier , henry clothier , and thomas lockier have been prisoners in the said goal for tythes these 13. moneths . thomas loscomb , and henry moore are prisoners there for tythes . william vinent , and john langden have been prisoners there for tythes six moneths . upper-bench-prison . john pollard at the suit of benjamin maddock a pretender to the tythes , cast into prison about the 16. of the 9. moneth ( 58 ) he having been a prisoner in colchester for tythes twelve moneths before . warwick-shire . thomas palmer , william mans , and richard mills were sub-poena'd at the suit of john dyke ( an ejected priest for his wicked course of life ) to appear before the barrons of the exchequer for tythes valued at 14s . pretended to be due to the said priest , and they appeared accordingly , but their appearance could not be received , and so were cast into prison 20. steps in the dungeon for a contempt , because they could not for conscience sake swear to their answer . thomas palmer hath been in prison 16. weekes and william mans 11. weeks , and still are prisoners . wilt-shire . john fry sued in the upper bench , and the exchequer by john menlas priest of gumfield , who never demanded ought of him , and was cast into prison at fisherton-anger near sarum , by richard lovel , and walter thomas , they having the warrant of isaac burgess sheriffe of wiltshire so to do , where they have been kept from the 13. day of the 9. moneth ( 58 ) to this day . richard ast sometime of collerne in wiltshire imprisoned at fisherton-anger at the suit of george marshal priest and thomas harris impropriator for the value of two or three and thirty shillings , and hath been a prisoner 21. weeks and more , notwithstanding they caused his corn to be taken out of his house and field before his imprisonment . also priest monlas caused to be taken from the said john fry goods to the value of twelve pounds and more before he was imprisoned . john jay who is also a prisoner there hath sent an accompt of his sufferings . york-shire . james tenant sued in the exchequer by the farmer of tythes , and because he could not for conscience sake swear to his answer , was committed to prison , where he hath been 35. weekes and so continues . robert mainford at the suit of charles kame priest hath been in prison for tythes eight moneths . matthew major and john ellis imprisoned at the suit of francis swayne priest have been prisoners 20. weeks and so remains . stephen lorimore imprisoned at the suit of richard sherborn for some small tythes , and hath been a prisoner two years , and still remaines so , committed to prison by thomas harison sheriff . salop . edward ward , for about 50s . tythes had a yoke of oxen taken away from him worth about 12l . by edward lawrance priest of shrewsbury . besides for not paying tythes ( to the upholding of priests who do not work for them ) there have been imprisoned to the number of 200. and moreover 44● . persons suffered the spoiling of their goods , because for conscience sake they could not pay tythes , the value of tythes demanded amounted to 706. l. 8s . 11. d. for which they took of their goods to the value of some thousands of pounds . for meeting together in the fear of god on the first dayes . george harrison violently taken out of apelties house who is a friend in heverall by a rude multitude of the town , and cruelly bruised in the street till he did spit blood , who a short time after dyed , having never in his life time recovered from the hurt he then received . dorchester-goale . lore bag the wife of richard bag , and her son thomas bag , and three of her daughters sarah , mary , and abigal bag , all of one town living in brideport , and of one family , were by nicholas sampson and robert prince bayliffs , for coming from a meeting about a bow shoot from the place where they dwelt , committed to prison , pretending they committed them for being wanderers , and because they would not give them 2s . 6d . a piece ; and after were called to sessions , where thomas bag was fined by the recorder thirteen shillings four pence , because he wore his hat in the court , and because ( for conscience sake , knowing they had broke no law ) could not give them two shillings six pence a piece for coming from the meeting , and thirteen shillings and foure pence for thomas bags wearing of his hat , were all sent back to prison again , where they have been sixteen weeks , and still remaines prisoners , lore bag being above threescore yeares old , and her husband richard bag a mercer driving a trade ; so his whole family is taken from him to their great losse and hinderance . yorkeshire . andrew hawkes commited to prison by thomas dickison called justice , for not prosecuting a warrant which came from the said dickison against several persons therein named , which was for no other cause , but for meeting together peaceably the first day of the week to wait upon the lord ; and the said hawkes hath lay●n in prison eleven moneths and have not been brought to any tryal , and still remains prisoner . henry vbanck thomas thackray , and christopher thackray & thomas docker were taken forth at a meeting in leeds and sent to prison by iohn dauson and martin isles , and at the sessions there fined twenty shillings a peece , and afterwards sent to york castle where they remain prisoners . besides for meeting together in the fear of god on the first day of the week , and denying the steeple-house worship , there have been imprisoned one hundred sixty five persons , and moreover for going to godly and christian meetings on the said day , 30. persons hath had twenty eight horses , and other goods taken and sold and nothing returned again , which horses have been valued at one hundred thirty six pounds twelve shillings . fourthly , for not swearing , and wearing their hats . buckingham-shire . george salter , imprisoned at alesbury for tithes , he refusing to swear to his answer , to the priest of hidgerlys bill of complaint . dorchester goal . bartholomew logg was fined 3s . and 4 pence , by john hoskins , for wearing his hatt , and for not payment thereof was committed to prison , where he hath been fourteen weeks , and still remains a prisoner . thomas bagg was fined by the recorder 13s . and 4 pence , because he wore his hatt in the court , and because for conscience sake ( knowing he had broke no law ) could not give it them , was sent to prison , where he hath been sixteen weeks , and still remains there . glouceter-shire . edward buden and william peasly , who made their personal appearance before the barons of the exchequer , at the suit of henry hen priest , and because for conscience sake they could not return their answer upon oath , a writ was sued forth against them , signed by george raymond , then high sheriff , by vertue whereof they were arrested , and cast into glocester goal , and have remained prisoners a year and 5 moneths , for the value of tithes about 20s . a piece , notwithstanding which , the priest henry hen did in the time of their imprisonment , drive away 3 cows of the said edw. buden ▪ and 6 cows of the said will . peasly , and remain prisoners still . hamp-shire . james potter , committed to the common goal at winchester , by william whither , and richard kinsmill , called justices , for reading a paper at the steeple-house yard ; and at the following assizes was fined 5l . by judge nicholas , for wearing his hatt when he was brought into the court , for which he was sent back to prison , and hath been a prisoner there 20 moneths , and so still remains . norfolk . william king , committed to norwich castle , for refusing to swear , and was fined 40s . by judge baldock , for refusing to do service for his countrey , but by yea and nay , and there remains . northampton-shire . peter mackerness of findon , sued for tithes , by william downer impropriator , into the exchequer , and because for conscience sake he could not swear , was committed to the county prison , and hath been there six moneths , and still remains there . suffolk . george sherwing , for not swearing to his answer to a bill at the suit of the lady gandee , for tithes , was committed to milton gaol , by an attachment from baron nicholas , and hath been there 2 years . wales . howell jones , prisoner in tregarran , for not putting off his hatt . york-shire . james tenant , sued in the exchequer , by a farmer of tithes , and because he could not for conscience sake swear to his answer , was committed to prison , where he hath been 35 weeks , and so continues . john hall was taken forth of a meeting in woodstock in leeds parish , and because he refused to swear , was sent to prison , by william fenton , and martin isles , they pretending he was a jesuite , and still remains prisoner in york castle . besides , for not swearing , and wearing their hatts , imprisoned 125 persons ; and 38 persons for not swearing in their courts have had goods taken from them to the value of about 77l . 15s . fifthly , vnder pretence of being vagrants . hamp-shire . anthony millage , who was formerly a captain of a frigot , was as a vagrant committed to prison with hunphery smith , to the common goal of winchester , by john bunkley , called justice , for no other cause at all , but for being in his company , and hath been a prisoner ten moneths . william bayly was also committed by the aforesaid john bunkley , without any accusation laid against him , but for being in the company with humphrey smith , ( from the parish where he was born ) as a vagrant , and hath been a prisoner ten moneths , and so remaines . besides , cruelly whipped , and counted as vagrants and wanderers , though men of considerable estates , 42. persons . sixthly , for visiting friends in prisons . dorchester-goal . william ellet the younger commited to prison , by nicolas sampson ; and robert prince baylifs of brideport , onely , for standing peaceably in the street , when george buly was examined , and hath been a prisoner there 14 weeks and so remaines . besides , for visiting of their friends in prison , imprisoned 30. persons , also two persons onely for entertaining their friends according to the command , to entertain strangers , were imprisoned , and had four horses taken from them worth about 18 pounds . seventhly , for not repairing of steeple-houses , and not paying clerkes wages . one hundred fourty one persons , for the repair of steeple-houses , and clerks-wages , had demanded of them 27. l. 14. s. 8. pence , for which was taken from them to the value of about 139. pounds 15. shillings , and 10 pence in goods . eightly , imprisoned , and persecuted till death . cambridge . boniface norris , being neer four-score years of age , as he was riding to a meeting , was sorely beaten and bruised , and fined 10. shillings for going to the meeting , and afterwards imprisoned by dudly pope called a justice , and a week after he was let out of prison , died . durham . george humble , an aged man , for standing by some of his neighbours whom george lilburn had set in the stocks for speaking to a priest , the said humble standing by , and reproving the people , was for that sent to prison to durham by the said lilburn , where he was kept until death . devon-shire . jane ingram , for going to visit some friends who were cast into prison , and lay upon straw at doomes-dale in lanceston in cornwal , was by jo . champion justice so called , cast into prison at exeter , and there kept in prison upon straw till she dyed . lanca-shire . richard apener , was imprisoned till death for tythes , by priest shaw of oldingham , who also spoiled his goods , and made havock of many more . as some friends in lancashire were comming from a meeting , they meet with a priest upon the high way , and others with him , to whom one elizabeth leavens spake a few words , whereupon the priests party got hedg-staves and beat the friends , amongst whom a woman great with child , was sorely beaten on the breast , and so sorely bruised , that she presently fell sick , and with much adoe got home , and within two or three dayes after died . bristol . temperance hignel , being moved of the lord to go to a steeple-house in bristol , to speak to jacob brint priest , after he had ended , was knockt down in the steeple-house to the astonishing of her sences , and sorely beaten and bruised , her blood drawn , and her cloaths torn off from her back in the steeple-house , and then cast into prison , and being afterwards carried out in a basket sick , within two or three dayes after she died . also george harrison imprisoned there till death . lincolnshire . edmond wolsey imprisoned for tythes until death . also thomas bromby imprisoned until death , for about 6. s. tythes . glocester-shire . richard atwood , for 15 shillings tithes , was imprisoned till death by richard fowler priest . essex . james parnel for speaking in cogges-hall steeple-house , on a fast day was imprisoned until death , by herbert pelham , thomas cook , dionysius wakering , and william harlackenden , and before he dyed was most cruelly , and barbarously used by the goalers wife . norfolk . robert jacob of windham , being four score years of age , imprisoned till death , being first cast into prison for not swearing to be a constable , and released , but afterward cast into prison again for tythes , and for refusing to swear to his answer , he was kept prisoner till death . oxford . elizabeth fletcher a young woman , was by the schollers of oxford for speaking the word of the lord to them , thrown against a grave-stone , and into a grave , and drawn through a pool with ropes , and pumpt ; which usage she said before her death she should never recover , but carry to her grave , and accordingly by reason of that usage she died . suffolk . john cason , imprisoned for tithes till death , at the suit of john padgett the priest of aldham , and also by priest glaufield , and before his death was barbarously and cruelly used by the goaler . summer set-shire . william tucker of naylsey imprisoned till death , by thomas george priest . york-shire . william peers , and will . sykes , imprisoned till death for tithes . john sumerson imprisoned till death for tithes , having first been prisoner two years . matthew wilkinson imprisoned till death for tithes , in pickering castle , because he could not swear to his answer to the priests bill . william wilkenson of rosedal● , for not paying tithes to john mason of middleton an impropriator , was sued in the court of exchequer , and for not swearing to his answer , was cast into prison in pickering castle , where he remained a prisoner near a year , and then died in prison . westmoreland . richard hebson aforementioned , cruelly used by the goaler of apelby , died . in all imprisoned , and persecuted to death , 21. ninethly , imprisoned for things of several natures . berk-shire . leonard cole of arberfield , was put in prison at redding , and there kept above twelve weeks , the last term was brought to the court at westminster , called the common pleas , where he appeared personally , and was from thence sent to the fleet , where he remains a prisoner ; two or three dayes after he came to the fleet , one george hatton , brought him a declaration of alexander stoake● priest , and about the second day of the first month called march , 1658 / 9 ▪ the said priest went with bayliffs to the dwelling house of the said cole , and there entred his barn , and turned out his threshers , and seized on a mow of wheat , besides what was threshed on the floor , to the value of 20 quarters , ( as the bayliffs themselves did compute it ; ) also they took away 10 kine , which were worth near 50l . in all they took from him to the value of 100l . for one years tithes . for which farm one william thorrell , who possessed it many years , paid 6l . yearly to the priest for the tithes thereof , as he himself told the said cole . cumberland . george bigland of carlisle , was fined 22l . by william briscoe , thomas craster , and cuthbert stedholm , for following the occupation of a weaver in the city , notwithstanding he had served 7 or 8 years in the parliaments service , yet nevertheless was committed to prison . hartfordshire . thomas prior of hitching , for setting up a coppy of the priests unrighteous declaration in the market-place , taken out of the exchequer , against a poor old man , george huckle , was by the priest had before brockett spencer , one of the justices , so called , who committed him to prison for setting up the said declaration , and for a colour said , it was for setting up a libel , which said thomas prior hath been a prisoner ten months , and so remains . hamp-shire . humphrey smith , was committed to the common goal at winchester , by john bunkley , called a justice , ( upon the false oath of a wicked man ) and hath been a prisoner ten months , and so remains . lincoln-shire . john seel of leverton , a poor labouring man , was upon the 18th of the 4th month committed to prison at the suit of edward greathead priest of that town ; by the tenor of the writ , his body was to be had before the barons of the exchequer within 15 dayes after the time called trinity , to answer the late protector , &c. but neither the persecutor nor tithes are named therein , yet the poor man hath suffered 29 weeks imprisonment , by the means of this priest . besides , summoned up to westminster , from all parts of the nation for tithes , 400 persons . the number of the persons herein mentioned , are about 1960 , who are but a part of those who have suffered for things of the like nature , within these 6 years ; many of them being sufficient and considerable men and women , have been cruelly whipped and their blood shed . oh! do not ye let the nation be covered with innocent blood , by such as profess the scriptures , who use people so barbarously , imprison , and persecute about church , religion , worship and ministry , which are out of christ and the apostles lives , who saved mens lives , and wrestled not with flesh and blood , but brought the creatures into the liberty of the sons of god . do you walk in their steps ? since the drawing up of this paper , some few of the friends within mentioned to be in prison , may have been released , and others imprisoned . wil griffes , for speaking to a priest in shrowsbury , was by the mayor of the town committed to prison , & hath been a prisoner 5 months , & so remains . richard sale of chester , for bearing his testimony for the lord against the wickedness of the people of that city , and for crying repentance , was by the command of the mayor put into a hole of a rock , called little-ease , the place being too strait for his body , he was thrust in by force of men which bruised him , insomuch that he spatt bloud ; after some time he fell sick , and his body much swelled , and he was heard to complain in the time of his weakness , of those bruises which he had in that cruel place of torment , called little-ease , the hole in the rock ; and after some time lying in pain , he died . also arnold trueblood died since in prison . if the truth hereof be questioned , many witnesses may be produced to confirm the same . an account of some grounds and reasons of the innocent sufferings of the people of god called qvakers , and why they testifie against the vain customs and practices of the world . friends . it may seem strange unto you , as it doth unto others , to hear that so many of our friends should be cast into prisons , there being few goales or houses of correction in england to which some of them have not been commited , & you partly know , how many of them are this day in bonds , and it is no less strange to us , that such frequent and heavy sufferings , for matters of conscience should come upon us and our brethren , who for the most part have been instruments with you and others , for casting off that yoke of oppression , which at the beginning of the late wars , lay upon the honest people of this land ; which made many fly into strange nations , and to seek habitations in the deserts ; but we wonder the more , that they should come from those we accounted our friends ( that so much have pretended the liberty of conscience ) and many of themselves practised the same things for which we now suffer . may we not ask what hath been done by our friends ? what lawes are these which they have broken ? whose persons , or possessions have they wronged ? what force or violence have they used to any man ? have you found them in plots , or guilty of sedition , or making resistance against authority ? have they not patiently born the greatest sufferings that any people of this nation ever lay under , since queen maries dayes , without murmuring , and discontents ? and when have they sought to revenge themselves , or troubled you or others , to be repaired for those many injuries and false imprisonments which they have endured ? how have they been counted as sheep for the slaughter , perfecuted , and despised , beaten , stoned , wounded , stocked , whipped , haled out of the synagogues , and cast into dungeons , and noysom vaults , where many of them have dyed in bonds , shut up from their friends , denyed needful sustenance for several dayes together , not suffered to have pen , ink , or paper ; and when they have layen there many moneths , and some of them years , denyed a legal tryal , continued from sessions to assizes , and from one assizes to another , and no eqnity to be found , from judge , or justice ? if it be answered to us they are common disturbers of ministers , they will not pay tythes , they will not swear , they will not put off their hats , they travel up and down from one country to another , without a magistrates passe , and on the first dayes to meetings at great distance , they will not pay fees , when they are brought into courts , nor plead in the formes there used , nor give security to keep the peace , or to be of the good behaviour , when the justices of the peace require it ; and we have lawes , or customes , that require these things should be done . it is forgotten what was one of the great causes of our late wars , the sufferings that then was imposed , and lay upon many for matters of conscience ; and was it not a chief pretence of our fighting , that we might enjoy the freedom of conscience , as well as outward rights , not onely in the inner man ( for that the bishops , or high commission court could not hinder ) but the free exercise in all acts of piety , and religion , of what the lord should make manifest unto us ? but whether this was then intended , or is now perverted , it is that which is our right , which we must claim , and no man may take from us ; for this we know , that christ jesus alone hath right to rule over the consciences of men , unto whom every one must give an account of himself , according to the just , perfect , and unchangeable law of god which is revealed , with that alone of god , which is made manifest in man , which he hath shewed unto him , by wch every one shal be judged at the last day , when the book of conscience shal be opened ; and therefore all unequal , imperfect & changeable laws of men we do deny , and by them , and for their transgression we shall not be judged of the lord ; and all lawes made in their wills , by their wisdoms in the things of god , which concerns religion , and the free exercise of a good conscience towards god and man , against them all we do bear witnesse , and knowing the commandments of the lord , and what he required of us , and having tasted his tender love , to those that keep them , and felt his terrors against all disobedience , we are made willing to bear the greatest sufferings , rather then sin against god ; and in this ground we stand not careful what man can do unto us , or say of us , nor to give him an answer in this matter ; for whether it is better to obey god , or man , let him judge . yet here to prevent mistakes , we do with the like clearnesse declare our free and willing subjection in the things of this world , to every ordinance of man that is just ( according to the righteous law of god ) and our work is not to weaken , but to strengthen the hand of the magistrate , by labouring to bring all to own that of god which should exercise their consciences ; to do in all things , as they would be done unto , in which is fulfilled the law and the prophets , which takes away the occasion it self of the law , and brings to live in peace and love , wherein should be the magistrates joy and glory . and do but look back to the crimes charged against us , and all the sufferings we lie under , and you may clearly see , that not for any evil done , or just law broken that concerns man , are we thus punished ; but for things which concernes our god , and chiefly for bearing our witnesse , as we are moved of the lord against the false prophets and hirelings of these dayes , who by their fruits are made manifest , not onely unto us , but to many thousands besides ; yea , the greatest part of all the sober people of the nation , their own hearers will confesse it ; and we see and know that they and all ministries and worships in the world , set up and standing in the will of man , shall perish and come to nothing , and the rise of these men , their growth and end , we comprehend , and see their downfall hasten greatly ; and all the powers of the earth shall not be able to support them , and with them shall fall their tithes , their temples , their gleab-lands , and offerings , their set dayes of worship in their wills , and all laws limiting the holy one , made to uphold their craft , and blessed are they , who through the day of tryal shall stand in their witness faithful unto god , not fearing what man can do unto them . do not you approve christ jesus his going into the temple ? and do not you own the apostles , who went into the jews synagogues every sabbath day , and into the market places to testifie of christ jesus , and reason with the people ? and do not you commend luther and calvin , john wicliffe , and others ( as famous for their zeal in publishing abroad what then was manifest unto them , ) and those persons which in q. maries dayes , went into the popish steeple-houses , to bear witnesse against their superstitions , which caused her to make a law against them , by which many of them then suffered , and by which the priests of england , till the last parliament were guarded , and is it now become an offence to practise the the same things ? and is that a just law made by the late parliament , by which many have suffered ? are not the priests sprung from the old root of episcopacy and it from the pope ? and are they not forced to fly thither for their vindication ? and is not the spirit the same , ( which makes these laws ) to support them ? how shall the kingdomes of the earth , the papists , turkes , infidels , heathens , be converted ? your priests sit down in their ease , and will not go ; they call themselves ministers of the reformed church ; and have not you taught other nations how to make lawes , to restrain the testimony of those whom the lord sends , and is sending into all the corners of the earth ? did the command of god which gave tithes to the jewish priesthood concern the gentiles ? was not the commandment to the jews themselves disannulled , when the priesthood was changed ? did ever any of the believing jews pay tithes to the apostles , or any of the gentiles either ? did not the papists bring in this doctrine , and oppression ; did not many of the martyrs in queen maryes dayes witness against tithes , and was not that an article , for which some of them suffered ? and do not you own and commend those martyrs , or do you judge them for holding an error ? hath not all or most of those countries that turned from the sope , and are called reformed , cast off tithes with the pope , and were ashamed of them ? and is it the glory of england , who pretends to the highest reformation to keep up tithes , ( the popish priests maintenance ) and first fruits , and tenths ( the wages of the very pope himself ) & to hale before courts , cast into prisons , and spoil the goods of all those who for conscience sake cannot pay them ? let that of god answer . and how many have , and at this day do suffer because they cannot swear , which christ jesus and his apostles above all things forbids ? how are the commands of christ made void by the customs and traditions of men ? were it not easy by turning the law against lyars and false witnesses ( which the law of god is against ) to find out that which your law against false swearing never did or could discover ? do you own christ jesus , of whom the jews that put him to death gave this witness , that he respected no mans person ? do you commend mordecai ? who could not give the outward honour and bow to haman ? and do you regard his words , whosaid , i know not how to give flattering titles to men , for my maker would soon take me away ? hath not god made of one mold , and one blood all nations to dwell upon the face of the earth ? and doth not he that respects persons commit sin , and is convinced of the law as a transgressor ? and must it now be an offence not to put off the hat , or give respect to the person of him that hath a gold ring , and fine apparel ? hath not all the earthly lordship , tyranny , and oppression sprung from this ground , by which creatures have been exalted , and set up one above another , trampling under foot , and despising the poor ? and is it not easy to see that power and authority without contempt may be preserved , the power honoured , obeyed and submitted unto , and the person respected ? hath not the great and heavy oppressions of the law been long felt and cryed out against , the long delayes in courts , & the great fees of officers , which causeth many to be excessively rich out of the ruines of the poor , which hath brought an odium upon the law it it self ? for to the poor , the remedy is frequently worse then the desease ; and while people are free to feed this deceipt , there is little hope to have it amended . and how full of lyes , deceipt , pretences , and needless circumstances are all your pleadings and proceedings , to the burthen of many mens consciences , and ruine of their estates ? and how vile and wic●●● are the greatest of lawyers , that will plead any thing for money , and by their subtilties do most commonly hide & cover the truth ? and when do the judges reprove it ? and how treacherous and deceitful are the solicitors and attorneys , that truth or honesty can scarce be found amongst them ? and how do those eat up the people as it were bread , and grow great and rich , by raising and increasing suites , troubles , strife and debates amongst their neighbours ? and we seeing these oppressions , are made to bear our witness against them , and cannot uphold them , and our testimony shall not be in vain . and how is the power given to justices and judges to bind to the peace and good behaviour ( being left to their discretion ) turned against the most peaceable , and best behaved persons amongst men , meerly because they cannot bow to their wills , and hold their tongues when the lord god requires them to speak ? do you commend christ jesus , his apostles and saints , who were sent to preach the gospel , and travelled from city to city , from nation to nation , from countrey to countrey , that the ends of the earth might hear the glad tidings of salvation ? and do you commend those they called puritans , for going many miles to worship the lord ? and do you now condemn those that practise the same thing ? would not your law against vagabonds have taken hold on christ and his ministers , and hindred their work ? by it have many honest and good people suffered most shameful whippings and imprisonments , who were travelling in their own countrey , about their outward and lawful occasions , that were of considerable estates and could not be counted , vagabonds ; and what use is made of this law , throughout the nation , you cannot but hear . are not these things like the sayings of those who said , had they lived in the dayes of the prophets , they would not have persecuted and put them to death ? and yet they crucified christ ; and so the cry at this day is against the jews for their cruelty , when themselves are found exercising the same things against his saints and members . long hath the beast reigned , who usurped power in these things , and the false prophets , who have over-spread the earth , & the great whore , who have made all nations drunk with their abhominations , and the wine of their fornications , with whom the kings of the earth have committed adultery , whom christ said should come , and before the apostles decease did come , who went cut from the apostles , and put on their cloathing , but inwardly were distroyers , ravening wolves , which the whole world went after , who turned against the saints , who kept to the spirit ( the life which they went from ) and made war with the saints till they overcame , and their power reached over the whole earth ; but now is the life risen , and is again made manifest which they went from , which gives to see before the apostacy was ; now is the lamb risen , and rising to make war with the great dragon , the beast and false prophets , and now shall the great whore be taken , and her flesh shall be burnt with fire , and the saints shall have the vict●●● therefore , let all kings , princes , rulers , & magi 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 be warned not to take part with the beast , nor to up●●●● 〈…〉 their power ) the false prophets , who have long de●●●ved the nations ; but in their place stand to keep the out 〈…〉 that none may offer violence and destroy another , ●●ich 〈◊〉 been the way of the beast & false prophets ( the 〈…〉 support of their kingdom ) but leave christ jesus in his saints to manage the war , whose warfare is not carnal , whose weapons are not carnal , yet are they mighty through god to the pulling down of the strong-holds , and overturning the foundation of satans kingdom , and they shall soon see what is truth , and what is errour , for great is the truth and will prevail ; they shall not need to cry out for want of ministers , or that christ jesus is not able to send forth labourers ; nor will those he sends forth trouble them for maintenance ; and here is the magistrates true place to keep peace amongst all men , to punish him that doth evil , and to encourage him that doth well , to rule the kingdoms of the earth in righteousness , that justice and equity may be exalted , that way may be made for the lord jesus christ , who is coming to reign , and to take the dominion to himself ; and we are witnesses in our measures of his coming , and of the working of his mighty power , by which he is able to subdue all things to himself ; and this is the testimony unto which we are called , and many thousands with us in the unity of the same spirit . and witnesses we stand against priests , tithes , temples , swearing , and all the carnal way of worship , set up and upholden by outward laws and powers , which would limit and restrain the spirit of the lord , which is grieved , and daily cryes out against these abhominations . witnesses we stand against parliaments , councels , judges , justices , who make or execute laws in their wills , over the consciences of men , or punish for conscience sake ; and to such laws , customes , courts , or arbitrary usurped dominion , we cannot yield our obedience . yet we do declare , as it is testified in all counties , cities , goals and prisons , to judges , justices and others , that as we preach christ jesus alone in the things of god to be our law ●●ver , so do we own him to be our king ( and own magist●●●● in things civil ) not resisting the evil , but following his example who was made perfect through suffering , and for his salvation we wait , till he alone shall plead our cause ; and therefore for conscience sake we have joyfully born , and do be●● so many and great sufferings , since the day we were convinced of the everlasting truth . these things we have declared , not to upbraid you with the injustice of others , nor to revile the government it self , nor as a complaint against our oppressors ; but that you may see the ground , and true cause of all our sufferings , and of the sufferings of the saints , in all ages , and generations , and in all nations of the world this day , and we leave it to that of god in you all , to weigh and consider , whether it be not time to reforme , both laws , courts , and officers . from your friends , who are lovers of peace and truth , who wait for the comming of the lord , to establish justice , and righteousnesse in the earth , whom he hath raised up , as witnesses of his appearing , and of the dawning of the mighty and dreadful day of god , in life , light and power , who are hated of men , and reproached under the name of quakers . and whereas there is a great cry up and down the nation , that the quakers meetings must be broken and suppressed , and that this present parliament intends to do it , and of this i have heard in divers parts of the nation . now to this i shall say and answer ; first , as i have observed the spirits of people concerning this cry , all the rude and ungodly people , as drunkards , and the prophanest of men , they glory apace at this newes , and rejoyce at this mightily , as if some great prize were befallen unto them ; and it makes them rude , and violent enough to the breaking of the peace in the nation ; but thus it is with but the worst sort of people in the nation , who are rejoyced with these tidings , that the quakers meetings must be broken ; but as for the honest people , such as be sober and sincere , thousands that had a hand in chusing this present parliament , never intended to send them up to london for such a work ; and the cry is by many of the sober people , if they go about such a thing , they will destroy themselves , undoe themselves , and leave their names a reproach ; why say the people ? ( we have a testimony before us ) hath it not been upon that rock of limiting tender consciences in former dayes , that hath broken many before these , which might be examples to these , not to do the same things ? and many sober people are offended at such newes , and it makes their hearts sad , whose conscience and the witnesse therein doth answer that we are the lords people , and it ought not thus to be done concerning us , as the newes reports ; so that by this newes of the intended purpose , to break the lords peoples meetings , the ungodly and prophane , are gratified , and strengthened in their wickednesse , and the righteous are made sad ; and further , as for us , we have been trodden down , and made a prey unto our enemies , and the gates of death and hell have stroven against us already , but have not prevailed unto this day ; for the lord is with us , and who is it that shall prevail against us , and i may say what is this that is reported to be done ? what shall dust and ashes do , and man whose breath is in his nostrils ? and who are they that shall break down that which the lord hath a purpose to build ? who shall be able to prosper in going about it ? or what success shall god give to that work ? i tell you nay , it is the lord that hath raised us up , and we have given our power to him , to stand by him , and to be protected , defended and upheld by him alone , and we cannot give our power to any mortal men , to seek that from them which is not in their hands to give ; the power of the lord god is over you , he that is our keeper and preserver , in whose hands is your breath , to destroy it utterly , if you do that which doth offend him ; for you shall know that we are the lords people , by whom we shall stand and grow in dominion and authority in his life , and the dread of the lord shall be upon our enemies , though they one gratifie another , with intention of evil against us ; yet the lord stoppeth the purpose of his enemies , and turnes it backwards upon their own heads ; and this i say from the lord , if such a thing be in your hearts , conceiving to be brought forth by you , it is a birth that will devour you , ere ever it spring out of your bowels , it will be too heavy a burthen , and you shall never have strength to deliver it ; this is the word of the lord to you , it shall be a rock to overthrow you , and it will be a snare to catch you , and if any such thing proceed from you , it will break you , and your own wickednesse will destroy you . alas ! do not you see evidently the hand of the lord fight for us ? yea , we have evident testimony of his presence , that he is and will be with us unto the end , and if any wil be blind , let them be blind , for these tidings do not trouble us , neither are we thereby moved , no not to beg of any man the contrary , for we cannot give our power unto you , nor come under the power of this world , no not to beg of you , contrary to a good conscience , that you should forbear the fulfilling your intents ; but this it is in the name and power of the lord , though he requires nothing of you to exalt his kingdom by your power , nor to prescribe him a way , how he must be worshipped , yet he requires that you should do nothing against him , nor his people , by limiting the spirit of the lord ; and i say the saints of the most high can not give their power to you , to stand or fall thereby , nor to go by the authority thereof , to exalt the kingdom of god thereby ; they can beg no such thing , nor desire it of you , for it is not in your hands to give his work of salvation unto the nations ; you cannot give nor lay one stone in the building of his blessed temple , but he alone will do it , and not by the arm of flesh ; yet doth he require , that you should do nothing against him , nor abuse your power , but and if you do , he will reward you according to your deeds , and this you will find and feel in the day of god , when he brings vengeance , and judgement upon you , and when he sets his kingdom over you all , and that comes to reign over the nations , which now is a sufferer . and when i first heard the newes sent abroad in the nation , of such intentions , to break the quakers meetings , many considerations passed through me , will these go said i in the same way , that many have been destroyed in before them ? will these run upon the same rock ? will these take in hand to limit god , and to set him a way ? and shall all these sufferings of the lords people for these many years be finished by these , that all the unjust dealings , and oppressions of the saints , may be upon them ? is there no wise man among them , nor none that feareth the lord , that he may be preserved from destruction ? and is this their begining in parliament , to destroy gods heritage ? the lord , nor the people of this nation that fear god , have not intrusted them therein ; but if it be so , said i in my heart , if this wickedness be intended , and if they do so greatly abuse their power , they shall leave their names as a reproach to after ages , and their memories shall rot , and their wickedness shall lie upon them for evermore ; but i considered that we having given our power to the lord , from him we have found to this day , and do alwayes seek defence , and to be carried on , and by him we stand , and to him we fall ; & not to mortal men , who are as clay in the hand of the potter ; wherefore let the wise in heart consider these things , and lay them to mind ; for if they shall proceed to that wickedness , the nations , shall they never settle in peace , nor shall their rulers , receive a blessing , but they shall be a curse unto themselves , & to all under their authority ; and this is a testimony to all sober people , shewing unto them all , where our confidence is , and in what it remaines ; and nevertheless if the heart of the wicked be strengthened against us , and their hands made strong to deal violently , yet shall the righteous rejoyce , and be exceeding glad ; for the day of redemption and everlasting peace is come unto his people , that do and have waited for him , and all under him shall bow and bend , and he will make his peoples cup overflow , and spread their table , even in the fight of their enemies , and they shall fear , and the terror of the lord shall lie upon them , and when they have executed their violence , then shall the lord deal violently with them . e. b. a cry of great judgement and vengeance upon the wicked , near to be executed , as it was received from the lord into his servant . on the eighteenth day of the first month , as i was travelling in warwick-shire , my meditations being upon the lord , and upon the cause of his people in this nation ; and how unjust and unrighteous their woful sufferings have been executed upon them within these few years ; even when i was pondering of these things , in the deep consideration thereof , it came upon me from the lord , and the cry went through me , the lord will be avenged , the lord will be avenged upon his enemies , and he will avenge the cause of his people ; and this cry stuck close upon me for some hours , that the lord would surely execute his judgments upon the oppressors of his heritage , who have spoiled and troden it down , and sought to destroy it ; and i considered and took into full view in my spirit , how grievous , how sad , and how unjust the sufferings of gods people have been within these few years , and my heart was even broken therewith , and my spirit even melted ; and it came upon me from the lord , saying , write unto the rulers , and yet once more warn them of that recompence , and of that indignation which is at hand upon them ; even a just recompence for all their deeds ; and as they have done , even so shall it be done to them ; as they have sought to destroy the generation of the righteous , even so shall they be destroyed from off the face of the earth ; and as they hav● unjustly judged and condemned the innocent , so shall they be condemned and justly judged of the lord ; and as they have cast the bodies of the poor lamb● of christ into prison , and been a snare upon them , even so shall they be insnared , and into captivity shall they go ; and as they have caused the goods and possessions of the innocent to be spoiled and made a prey , even so in like manner shall the curse of the lord spoil their substance ; and as they have done , so shall it be done unto them ; and as they have mete to others , so shall it be mete to them again . and i saw a great misery and desolation nigh at hand , even the sword of the lord , and it should slay them ; and i beheld it was made ready for the slaughter : and in the sense of these things a sadness fell upon my spirit , considering the desolation and the judgment that is at hand , to be executed upon the cruel oppessors . wherefore all ye rulers , and all ye that have troden down the heritage of god , and ye that have disregarded those many warnings that ye have had ; i say unto you all , in the power of the lord god , in his dominion , and by his spirit , this is once more a warning to you from the lord , & that these things must surely come to pass , and be fulfilled in their season , and no man shall be able to deliver his brother ; but every man shall bear his own burthen , and drink his own cup prepared for him ; and though it hath been counted a light thing amongst you , and you have dispised the reproof , and gone on without fear , yet in as much as the lord hath spared you , and not speedily executed judgment upon you , but rather waited for your return ; yet the dealing of the lord towards you in sparing of you , you have not accepted , and therefore shall his judgments be the greater upon you . for if you do now come to the witness in your own consciences , what evil hath this people done ? whose ox have they taken , or what have they desired of you ? or what have they sought from you ? or wherein have they been a burthen to you , saving that they have reproved you for your iniquities , and desired your repentance ? would you but now at last come to consider this , and confess the truth in your consciences , will not that tell you , that they have suffered patiently all things that you have cruelly imposed upon them ? and have not they walked peaceably towards you , & humbly , meekly & justly among their neighbours ? and have they not been meek & innocent even as lambs , and as the sheep before the sbearers ? and have they wrought offences towards any ? have they sought the overthrow of the government , or have they sought vengeance against their enemies ? or what injury have they done to any mans person , or estate , saving to satan and his kingdom ? have they not sought to reform , and reclaim the ungodly from their wayes ? and have they not pittied and prayed for their enemies ? and have they not in all things walked in good conscience towards the lord , and towards all men ? yea , my friends , in the day of the lord , when the witness in your consciences shall not be limitted , but shall speak plainly , and when the impartial judge shall appear upon his throne , then shall you acknowledge these things . wherefore i say unto you , receive the judgment of the lord to purifie you , otherwise the judgment shall destroy you ; and now come to be more wise , that some of you may be as a brand pluckt out of the fire , and be reserved from being consumed ; for the visitation of the lord is near an end , when his loving kindness will be shut from you , and his long suffering turned into fury ; and he will make you know that we are his people with whom you have thus dealt , yea , you shall suddenly know it , the time is not long till he will crown his people in the sight of his enemies ; he will crown them with praise and with righteousness , with honour and majesty , and he will keep them in safety , even when sorrow compasses you about ; his mercy and loving kindness shall extend towards them , even when his wrath and judgements doth smite you , and confound you . o what shall i say unto you ! for the deep sence thereof remains upon my heart ; for when i consider how that in all ages the lord did avenge his peoples cause , & when the time of their suffering was expired , he brake the bonds of iniquity , and set them free ; thus did he with his people israel of old , and many times it was his way with his people to bring them low by suffering , and then to raise them up again in glory ; and he suffered their enemies for a season to glory over them , that he might bring them down ; and thus he did in england in the case between the bishops and their crew of persecutors , and the poor people at that day called puritans : did not he confound that persecuting crew , and deliver his people ? and is not he the same to effect the same work at this very day ? yea doubtless , and much more will he do it , in as much as the manifestation of truth is more clear then it was in their dayes , and in as much as the rulers and people of this nation have rejected a more clear testimony , then either the papists in queen maries dayes , or the bishops and prelates in their dayes ; even so much the more will the lord god execute his vengeance with more violence , in a more manifest way , and all shall know , that it is he that doth it , and he will set his people free ; for he hath regarded their suffering , and he hath said it is enough ; for he hath tried them , and found them faithful ; and all this hath been suffered to prove them , and not to destroy them ; and like as he hath preserved them in patience , and peace through it all , even so will he give them hearts to walk answerably to their deliverance ; and as they have abounded in patience in their sufferings , so shall they abound in praises everlasting in the day of their freedom ; and the earth shall be glad , and shall yield the increase and blessing ; the heaven and the earth shall rejoice , and the heart of the righteous shall leap for joy , when the lord hath broken the yoke of the oppressed , and set his people free , inwardly and outwardly , and then shall they sing unto the lord over all their enemies who shall be tormented and vexed in the lords sore displeasure , for their reward cometh , and their recompence shall be even as their work , and he will give unto them sorrow and anguish , in stead of rejoycing . but again , when i considered the long suffering , and patience , and forbearance of the lords innocent people under all their sufferings ; and when i looked at their innocency , and at their righteousness , and spirit of holiness with which the lord hath blessed them , my heart was made glad in the consideration of this ; and the more was my joy , the more that i beheld their innocency , and the guiltlesness of their cause , whereby the unjustness of their suffering did the more appear ; and withal when i looked and beheld their increase under all their sufferings , and how that the lord had turned all these things to their good , and to the overthrow of all their enemies ; how that , by that way , wherein their enemies intended to destroy them from being a people ; even thereby did the lord most wonderfully increase them to be a great people ; for through all have they grown in life and power , in strength and in number , and through it all have they been incouraged to follow the lord with more zeal and boldness ; and in the consideration of this i did rejoyce , with magnifying the lord for ever , that he had brought forth his praise even through the wickedness of the wicked , and he had increased his people , and exalted them through the cruelty of all their enemies ; and that through all opposition they were attained to a happy rest , and through all the tempests of great trials , they were arrived into the harbour of renown and great glory ; and when i considered this , how that the lord had given them dominion , and brought their life to reign over all their enemies , these things were a joy unto me ; and looking back into ages , seeing there was nothing , nor any people for generations , that had grown , and risen through all opposition like unto these ; wherefore it is a sign and a testimony that we are the lords , and that these things are of him , and from him , and by him alone , that he might be praised for ever . again , when i do consider , how that the lord hath raised this people , even out of the dust ; and them that were not a people , are become a people ; and the lord hath provoked nations , by them that were not a people within these few years ; and the lord hath carried on this work amongst his people , not by any thing of man , nor by the arm of flesh , but in pure innocency and simplicity hath it been accomplished ; not by the wisdom of this world , nor by men in places of honour , and of power in the nations ; for all that has been wanting to them ; and what they are , it is through the opposition of all this ; for they have had none of the great men of the earth on their side to defend them and establish them , but all hath been against them ; and even oppression and tyranny executed upon them , rather then any approbation , or justification from men in outward authority ; so that truly it may be said , that there hath been nothing of man in this work , but all of the lord by his own power ; and in a contrary way to all the false sects and false churches , hath the beginning and carrying on of these things been ; for we know that all the false sects in this nation hath risen & been established through the countenance of men in place and power ; and upon man and the wisdom of this world , and authority of the powers of the earth , hath the rise and fall of all false churches depended ; and as the powers of the earth hath sided with them , so have they been set up , and at the displeasure of authority , have been cast down . but as for this people , they are raised of the lord , and established by him , even contrary to all men ; and they have given their power only to god , and they cannot give their power to any mortal men to stand or fall by any outward authority , and to that they cannot seek , but to the lord alone , who heareth their cry , and will avenge their cause . wherefore let all the persecutors bow before the lord , and let all the saints walk humbly in his sight ; and let them continue in that innocent life in which they have begun ; and let them never forget the mercies of the lord , and what he hath brought to pass , who hath manifested great things , and will do more and more to the confounding of all his enemies , and to the praise of his elect people . and all ye saints upon the earth , have ye the lord in respect continually , and turn you not unto idols , but let the lord be your joy for evermore . e. b. friends , who are called a parliament of these nations , we in love to our brethren that doth lye in prisons , and houses of correction , and dungeons , and many hath in fetters and irons , and have been cruelly beat by the cruel goalors , and many have been persecuted to death , and have dyed in prison , and many lyeth sick and weak in prison , and in straw : so we in love to our brethren do offer up our bodies and selves to you , for to put us as lambs into the same dungeons , and houses of correction , and their straw , and nasty holes and prisons , and do stand ready a sacrifice for to go into their places , in love to our brethren , that they may go forth , and that they may not dye in prison , as many of the brethren is dead already ; for we cannot but lay down our lives for our brethren , and to take their sufferings upon us that you would inflict upon them ; and if our brethren suffer , we cannot but feel it ; and christ saith , it is he that suffereth , and was not visited . this is our love towards god and christ , and our brethren , that we owe to them and our enemies , who are lovers of all your souls and your eternal good . and if you will receive our bodies , which we freely tender to you for our friends that are now in prison , for speaking the truth in several places , for not paying tythes , for meeting together in the fear of god , for not swearing , for wearing their hats , for being accounted as vagrants , for visiting friends , and for things of the like nature , according to a paper intituled , a declaration to the parliament , &c. delivered the sixth day of the second month called april , 1659. to the then speaker of the said house . we whose names are hereunto subscribed ( being a sufficient number to answer for the present sufferers ) waiting in westminster-hall for an answer from you to us , to answer our tenders , and to manifest our love to our friends , and to stop the wrath and judgement from coming upon our enemies . tho. raulinson tho. curtis john crook thomas davenport john foster . thomas reese tho. hackelton william garrold john scanfield rich. crane will. travers john chandler richard simpson tho. kent william brown edward shaller william mullins humphrey bache john barnard william styles simon robinson robert moor william woodcock george rawlins alexander allens cuthbert harle ralph johns joseph jones john gayon john tyso george bewley james beech rich. burd william archpool william bett edward giles john radley william hownell steven crisp edmund cross james allen william shewen john boulton tho. norris daniel baker edwin harrison richard quicke john freeborn john love tho. moor ric. bax john stedman william persehowse richard glipsham nich. bond benjamin turly john pennyman rowland elrudge thomas coveney alexander parker john anderdon john baddeley john newton john yardley rice jones richard greeneway robert hasle john hope francis collins thomas bradly roger game henry godman james smither richard lewes nathaniel gerrard edward brook arthur stanbridge john blackfan ninion brockett richard newman nicho. rickman henry woolger william gering john barber james grynier robert sooley peter gosse thomas taxe rowley titchborn henry abbat john carter john fielder stephen wix thomas blatt benjamin matthew james fenner john stavelin robert mildred steven hubbard ioseph busthell thomas burchett christopher white iohn lee iohn beckett thomas braborne robert wade philip williamson richard deane iohn steevens gobert sikes george lamboll robert stedman thomas stedman richard hindmarch iames tenning thomas lawrance iohn schoren william spary iohn wolrich robert engram edward southwood iohn furly jun. iustinian holyman samuel vause henry cook henry ayres richard tydder iohn lawrance william iohnson ioseph lancley william dike george robinson robert newman iohn starkey edward bland thomas dowen thomas shortland amor stoddart iohn price iohn hollis edw. byllynge william plumley richard cockbill richard iopson benjamin peirson ionah smith richard davis iohn hawkes mannaseth casketer iohn disborow edward owers william penington william marnar richard hacher iacob carr william harrwood iohn allington thomas passenger thomas seaman william hamshere iames smith calib woods humphry kierbe maximilian cokarel . if we had been of esaus stock , we should have fainted before now ; and if we had been of cains stock , we should have built up his citie , and should have had fought with his weapons ; which was not , nor is the way of the just , and the elect ; of which we are , before the world began . errors . page 7. line 13. blot out and , the same page line 38. for seventeen , read eleven , page 12. l. 36. for edward , read richard , the last line of the same page , for shrewsbury , read bas-church , page 27. l. 37. add not. the end . a measure of the times: and a full & clear description of the signes of the times, and of the changing of the times; and of the reign of antichrist, who hath long reigned, and of his down-fall, which is at hand; and of the kingdom of christ which is now setting up in the earth. shewing unto all people in all nations, what the state of things hath been in ages past, and what the state of things are at this present day. ... and also, here it is manifest, concerning the teachers of this age, and the root from whence they sprang, who are manifest to be of that stock of false prophets, which christ prophesied of should come, and which the apostles saw was coming in their dayes, and how that the night of darknesse hath been upon all, for many generations: ... and also, the restauration is described, which shortly cometh, wherein christ shall reign, whose right it is, and shall change laws and decrees, and the lamb shall be the light of all nations, ... and their king shall possesse the uttermost parts of the earth. by one who hath measured the times, who is come to the day that hath made all things manifest. edw: burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a77950 of text r207505 in the english short title catalog (thomason e919_6). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 92 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 22 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a77950 wing b6012 thomason e919_6 estc r207505 99866550 99866550 118826 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a77950) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 118826) images scanned from microfilm: (thomason tracts ; 138:e919[6]) a measure of the times: and a full & clear description of the signes of the times, and of the changing of the times; and of the reign of antichrist, who hath long reigned, and of his down-fall, which is at hand; and of the kingdom of christ which is now setting up in the earth. shewing unto all people in all nations, what the state of things hath been in ages past, and what the state of things are at this present day. ... and also, here it is manifest, concerning the teachers of this age, and the root from whence they sprang, who are manifest to be of that stock of false prophets, which christ prophesied of should come, and which the apostles saw was coming in their dayes, and how that the night of darknesse hath been upon all, for many generations: ... and also, the restauration is described, which shortly cometh, wherein christ shall reign, whose right it is, and shall change laws and decrees, and the lamb shall be the light of all nations, ... and their king shall possesse the uttermost parts of the earth. by one who hath measured the times, who is come to the day that hath made all things manifest. edw: burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. [4], 39, [1] p. printed for thomas simmons at the bull and mouth, near aldersgate, london : 1657. title printed on a1v-a2r. a1r is blank. annotation on thomason copy: "july 24". reproduction of the original in the british library. eng society of friends -controversial literature -early works to 1800. antichrist -early works to 1800. clergy -controversial literature -early works to 1800. a77950 r207505 (thomason e919_6). civilwar no a measure of the times:: and a full & clear description of the signes of the times, and of the changing of the times; and of the reign of a burrough, edward 1657 18512 16 0 0 0 0 0 9 b the rate of 9 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the b category of texts with fewer than 10 defects per 10,000 words. 2007-04 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2007-05 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2007-06 pip willcox sampled and proofread 2007-06 pip willcox text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-02 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a measure of the times : and a full & clear description of the signes of the times , and of the changing of the times ; and of the reign of antichrist , who hath long reigned , and of his down-fall , which is at hand ; and of the kingdom of christ which is now setting up in the earth . shewing vnto all people in all nations , what the state of things hath been in ages past , and what the state of things are at this present day . ( and also ) what shall be the state of things hereafter , which suddainly cometh to passe , the time is at hand , for times are changing , and renewing , and the kingdomes of this world shall be translated into the kingdome of the son of god . and also , here it is manifest , concerning the teachers of this age , and the root from whence they sprang , who are manifest to be of that stock of false prophets , which christ prophesied of should come , and which the apostles saw was coming in their dayes , and how that the night of darknesse hath been upon all , for many generations : and how that the beast hath reigned over nations and kingdomes , and his false prophet hath deceived the whole world , who have all worshipped the beast and wondred after him , who have warred against the saints and overcome them , and the whole earth hath been made drunk with the abominations . and also , the restauration is described , which shortly cometh , wherein christ shall reign , whose right it is , and shall change laws and decrees , and the lamb shall be the light of all nations , and there shall be no need of any other light , when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdom of christ , and he alone shall bear the government , and no other king , for he shall rule all nations with his iron rod , and the kingdomes of the beast shall be overthrown , and his power subdued , and they that have given their power unto him shall be ashamed , and all the kings of the earth shall lay their crowns down at the feet of the lamb , and the numberlesse number of the saints is gathering , and the dominion shall be in their hands , and their king shall posesse the uttermost parts of the earth . by one who hath measured the times , who is come to the day that hath made all things manifest . edw : burrough . london : printed for thomas simmons at the bull and mouth , near aldersgate . 1657. a measure of the times . the lord hath opened my heart to declare ; and the words of my mouth shall be the words of truth , and of a good understanding , to every one who hath an eare to hear : whose eare the lord hath opened to hear , and understand things of old , and the state of things as they have been in ages , and generations , past ; and as now the state of things are at this day . hearken , and consider , and let your eares be open to instruction ; for the word of the lord is towards you , that your hearts may understand the things that belongs to your peace , now in your day , before the time come that they be hid from your eye , and your eye be darkned , never more to perceive , but you left to perish , and to die with the uncircumcised . behold ! and give eare , ye inhabitants of the world ; see , and consider , in what time you are fallen , even in a time of darknesse and apostacy , wherein thick darknesse covered all the world , and a vaile of ignorance the faces of all people ; death hath reigned king over all , and the cloud of thick blindnesse hath laid on the hearts of all men . o how hath darknesse , blindnesse , and ignorance , covered all men , even as a cloak and a garment ? how hath the eye been blinded , the eare stopped , and the heart hardned ? so that the lord god , and his way , his truth , and salvation , hath not been manifestly known , heard , nor felt , nor witnessed ; for ages and generations : the words thereof have been professed , but the power and life thereof hath not been enjoyed . but men have been deceived with the forme of godlinesse without the power , and cheated with a likenesse of things without life ; and have sought the living among the dead , and worshipped idols which have been without sence and understanding ; and with lying imaginations , and feigned likenesses , hath the carnall part ( which ruled in people above the seed of god ) been fed , and with shadowes , and outward appearances , and the soule hath been starved . alas , alas ! woe is me because of these things ; my heart within me is broken , and i am perplexed . the shadow of death hath been the lodging place of all people , and the vaile of ignorance hath been a covering , and the darknesse of heart hath been followed for a law , and a blind understanding have been the guide , for ordinances and statutes : and death in the beastly power hath ruled as king , in all the dominions of the earth , and in all mens hearts ; and men hath been without the wisdome of god , even every eye blind , and every eare deafe , and every tongue dumb , and every heart corrupt , and void of understanding , and every foot lame , and all men have been altogether imperfect ; for the living god hath been as a stranger unto the children of men , lesse known by men then the owner to the ox , and lesse perceived then the crib by the asse , and all flesh hath corrupted its way before the lord . woe is me ! when i consider , how man who was planted with the choisest vine , even gods image , and was a noble plant , is degenerated into the plant of a strange vine , unto god , and brings forth wilde grapes , and soure grapes , which the lords soule loathes ; and thus have the vineyard , and the plants thereof , rewarded the husbandman , with fruit of a bitter tast , and with the reward of corruption ; and man is condemned in his transgression , for want of the knowledge of god , more then the oxe , and the asse . pride , covetousness , lust , and envy , backbiting , lying , drunkennesse , whoredome , theft , murder , and all manner of evill , and sin against god , more then can be expressed , is abounding , and supera bounding among men in this generation . iniquity is grown to the full , the measure is up , and the number of transgression is sealed , that the lord may arise , who hath been pressed as a cart with sheaves ; and now is the lord arifing , and he hath said , ah , i will ease me of my adversaries , and be avenged on my oppressors . and vengeance belongs to him , and he will repay , and will destroy the vineyard with the plants and fruits thereof , and the bryers and thorns shall be consumed , and he will lay wast , and devoure , and confound all his enemies in a day , when his indignation goes forth , and his sword is made bare , and his purpose cometh to pass , in rooting out the oppressive seed of evill doers , which hath filled his habitation , wherein he should dwell , with cursed children , and a brood of evill births . in the dayes of christ , and his apostles , was the hand and power of the lord felt , and the lord gat himselfe a name and a glory ; and he caused his marvelous light to spring forth , and his day to dawn , and the day was manifest , that many prophets and wise men had desired to see , but was not in their time seen by them , and his power was made known , and his arme was made bare in the sight of many nations ; and in that day his glory was spread abroad , and his truth and way was exalted , and his glorious gospell was declared through the earth , and the sound of his marvelous works went forth into all the world ; judgement and mercy was known , and righteousnesse and peace was witnessed among men , and life and immortallity was brought to light through the gospel , and the word of life by which all things was created , and by which they stand , was handled , seen , felt , and tasted , and the lord god in that age was known to dwell with his people , and to walk in them , and his covenant was established with many , and his promises was fulfilled ; redemption , deliverance and salvation , was revealed , even christ jesus the son of god , the prince of peace ; and righteousnesse was made manifest in the sons of men , and revealed in many who saw gods glory , and was witnesses of his majesty and dominion , and were gathered unto him in the bond of peace , and were his sons and daughters , and were led by his spirit in all his wayes of truth and righteousnesse . and many went forth into the world and declared through nations the things of gods kingdome , which was come to them , and was discovered within them ; and the lord god spake from heaven by his son unto them , and they were filled with the holy ghost , and with power . and the lord was with them whom he called , and made them wise , and their word powerfull , and their message effectuall , and their weapons were mighty through god , and strong holds were subdued , and the powers of death and darkness were subjected , and the hearts of thousands were turned to god , and the gospell was preached in power through the world , and many were brought to god , out of darknesse into light , and from satans power unto god . and the earth was filled with light , and the mighty and the wise were confounded , and the bonds of cruel oppressions were broken , and they that set themselves against the lord and his way were confounded , and scattered , and brought to naught , though they were many in that generation . how did all the chief priests , and scribes , and pharises , elders of the people , and rulers , and governors , lift up themselves in the pride of their hearts , and took counsel together , and persecuted the innocent , and put to death and imprisoned the children of the most high ? how did they in the dayes of christ persecute and seek for his life , till they had taken it from the earth by their subtilty and wickednesse ? the apostles and ministers of christ were persecuted , some was put to death , and others suffered grievous things for the name of christ , and were made a prey and a spoyle unto destroyers , whose wickednesse increased against the way of god , till it was fulfilled in its measure , and the wicked with their works were dashed to pieces ; and the lord gave his way , and truth , and servants , dominion and power over all his enemies , and whole nations were brought to the knowledge of god and his ways , and his name was glorious , and his kingdome was exalted in the earth , and many were his people , who were gathered by him , and his powerfull word , through the mouth of his ministers ; whom he ordained , and called , who were fishermen , and such like , who were chosen to fullfill his will , and to doe his worke , and not many wise men of the world were called , but god chose the foolish things to confound the wise , then as he doth now ; and such were honoured by the lord , and bearers of his name , and of his message , and glad tideings , though they were contemned of men ; yet unto such he gave the authority to overturne the wise , and to outreach the wisedome of this world , for they were learned of the father , and had the knowledge of his wayes though they were unlearned in the arts , and crafts of men , which stands more in pollicy , and subtilty , then in the feare , and wisdome of god ; and in that day the lord was with his people , while his people was with him , and he loved them while they stood in his counsell , and he gave them dominion over all their enemies ; and they were a terrour to the whole world , while the churches stood in the dread , and terrour of the lord of hoasts , yea all bowed under them , and their feet trod upon the high places of the earth , and they were blessed of the lord , above all people ; even till they waxed fat , and were increased in treasures , and thought they had need of nothing , and then they forgat god , and rebelled against him , and became perverse in their wayes , and grew into strange idolatries , and errors , and left the way of truth , and cast gods law behinde them ; and the power of godlinesse ceased , and the forme grew , and it was exalted more then power , and love waxed cold , when iniquity abounded ; and men became lovers of themselves , more then of the lord ; and the lord , and his marvellous workes which had been brought to passe were forgotten , and hardnesse of heart , and unbeliefe entered , and then the false prophets , and antichrists came in , which christ had prophesied of , and established the forme of godlinesse , without the power , and subverted many ( even whole houses , and countries ) from the simplicity of christ jesus ; so that many became insensible , and grew past feeling of the power , and operation of god , and their minds became blinded , and their eares stopped ; and god was grieved , who had brought up children , and they forgat him , and rebelled against him ; for the churches became corrupted , and lost the life , and power of god , and the holy ghost ; and became idolaters , and worshipers of idolls , and as you may read paul prophesied that many should depart from the faith , and give heed to seducing spirits , and to the doctrine of devills ; and grievous wolves should enter , not sparing the flock , but seeking to devoure it , and would make havock , and merchandise of soules , through coveteousnesse , and filthy lucre , and perilous times would come , wherein their should be a forme of godlinesse , and not the power ; and in that generation before , and soone after his decease , this came to passe , and was fullfilled ; and as you may read in the revelations the churches grew into superstitions , and idolatries , the church of ephesus had lost her first love , and her candlestick was to be removed , and so it came to passe ; and some in the church of smyrna were in the blasphemy , saying they were jewes , and were not , but were the sinagogues of satan ; and the church of pergamos , some among them held the doctrine of balaam , and to eat things sacrificed to idolls , and to commit fornication , and some held the doctrine of the nicolaitans , which god hated , and against them would the lord fight with the sword of his mouth ; and the church of thyatira suffered that woman jezabell to prophesie , and to teach , and seduced the servants of the lord to commit fornication , and to eat things sacrificed unto idolls ; and she , and her lovers was to be cast into a bed of torment , and her children should be killed with death ; and all the churches should know , that god searched the reines , and the hearts , and every one should receive according to their deeds ; and the church of sardis had only a name to live , but was dead , and her work was not perfect before god , and upon them would the lord come as a thiefe , and they should be in darknesse , and not know what houre he would come . and the church of the laodiceans were luke warme , and neither hot , nor cold , and the lord would spew her out of his mouth , for she was wretched , and miserable , and poore , and blinde , and naked , and the shame of her nakednesse did appeare ; and if any had an eare to heare , they might heare ; these things were spoken by him that lives for ever , the first , and the last , the beginning , and the amen ; so that hereby the lords soul was vexed , and his spirit grieved , and his wrath was suddenly kindled against them , who were revolters , and backsliders from his way of salvation , which he had made manifest to them , through the mouth of his servants ; so that his fury went out against them to overthrow them , and to break them to pieces ; and they being turned from his law , and from his statutes , he gave them up unto their own hearts desire , and brought in the heathen upon them , to confound them , who broke them asunder , and trod down many of their cities , and gained great ports of their dominions , and made them slaves by multitudes , and overthrew their worship , and subjected their power ; even the turks , and base uncircumcised people made a prey upon them , and possessed their habitations , and set up abominable idolatries in the place where gods honour had dwelt ; and their dominions , and treasures without , became spoyle to the teeth of devourers ; for they having lost the terrour , of the lord , he brought up the heathen to be a terrour unto them , whose power was mightier then they , and overcame them , they being without the power of god ; and this justly came upon them , according to the purpose of the lord , because of their backslidings ; and others of them , who was not so given up to the will of an outward enemy , yet were they given up to strange idolatries and subversion , and setting up images , and worshiped that which is not god , but abomination to him , to this day ; so that the holy city , which had been full of glory , was given to the gentiles to be troden downe ; and under their poluted feet hath it been stamped , and to their mouth hath it been a prey , for such a time , even since these things came to passe , unto this day ; as you may read , and the beast and false prophet , hath ruled in oppression , and the great whore hath made all nations drunke with the wine of her fornication ; all the great men , and princes , and nobles , and all the people upon earth have been made drunke by her , and touched her uncleannesse , and ever since the day wherein the backsliding entered , she hath fit upon nations , and kindreds , and tongues , and people , and hath been decked in divers colours , to deceive the hearts of all people , and all nations have been deceived by her , and the beast and his power , whose dominion hath been great , hath upheld wickednesse by a law , and established idolatry by decrees , and all have been out of the way , and wandring in blindnesse , and darknesse , even the whole world have worshiped the beast , and gone after the false prophet , which sits upon the beast , and his power protects him , till they be both overthrowne into perdition , and cast alive into the lake , which now the lord is comeing to doe in power , and dominion : and great babylon is coming into remembrance before the lord , and as she hath done , so shall it be done to her , her children is dashing against the stones , and her offspring is withering away , and the darknesse is vanishing , and the sun is appearing , and the beastly power shall be subdued , and the false prophet confounded , even the old dragon shall be bound , and chained , never more to deceive ; for the beast hath had a long reigne with his false prophet , who have prophesied lies , and false divinations , and led away the minds of all people . for marke ; and consider , christ jesus who came into the world , with glad tidings of good things , even with peace , and salvation : he said the glorious day was come , and even that day which many prophets and wise men had desired to see , but had not seen ; the earth was filled with light , as i have said , yet he farther prophesied , and said , that the night would come when no man could work , and that in the last dayes false prophets should arise , and deceive many , and should come into the world , and should cry loe here , and loe there is christ , and and if it were possible should deceive the very elect ; and the apostle john in his time , who had been an eye-witnesse of jesus , and had handled , and tasted , and felt the word of life , and had been with jesus , and bore a true testimony unto him ; in that very age , and generation , he saw the false prophets , and antichrists come , and coming in , and aluded to the very sayings of christ , by this we know said he , that it is now the last time , for there are now many false prophets , and antichrists gone out into the world , they were not of the true apostles , but went out from among them , ( being gone out from the light in their own particulars ) and beguiled the hearts of the simple , by good words , and faire speeches , and went in balaams way for gifts and rewards , and in caines way to envy , and murder , as you may read in the scripture ; so that in johns time , the false prophets which christ foretold off , were come , and they did deceive many according as christ had said , and they drew many from the wayes of god , and subverted many from the truth , and made havocke of the flock , and were grievous wolves , according as paul had said , and truth began to perrish from among men , and the power thereof ceased , and the apostacy came in , and the forme was set up for a season ; so that john farther saw , and said the whole world went after the beast and false prophet , whom he saw before was come , and worshiped the beast , and his image . but a few whose names were written in the book of life ; and as i have said the holy city with the outward court , was troden down by the gentiles foot , and darknesse surprized all , and wickednesse abounded more , and more ; and the night came upon all , as christ had prophesied , and the beast grew in his dominion : till there was hardly any man left to beare witnesse in the truth , and in the power of god , unto the name of jesus ; but all was subverted into dead formes , and shaddowes , and likenesses without life , and the lord left the earth , as it were , and covered himselfe in the darknesse ; and became a stranger in the world , and did scarce openly speake by vision , nor dream , nor prophet , but all were left in the darke , and ignorance abounded , and superstition was exalted ; the saints spirit , and ●se which they were in , and guided by was lost , and then they began to worship the saints names , and dayes , and words , without the life , and power ; and that nature , and that same seed which had persecuted the saints to death , and gainsayed the pover ; and lost the holy ghost , turned it selfe into the professi●n of the saints words , which were left upon record ; and confirmed it selfe into the saints practises , without the life , power and holy ghost . and having lost the power , from which the sripture was given forth , and not being guided in the life whic● they were in , which spoke it forth ; then from the scripture 〈◊〉 mens own conceptions , and thoughts , and by their reason , w●●hout gods spirit , they set up likenesses , and images , and sects , and formes , and many heads , and many hornes grew upon the beast which all the world worshiped , and went after ; for they had lost christ the one head , wherein the union stood , and grew into idollitry , under the many heads which was upon the beast , who had many hornes , which pushed one against another , as it is witnessed unto this day ; doe not the papists , and protestants ( so called ) and other sects risen out of them , push one at another , to break , and teare one another ; and these have many heads . the pope he is a head , and the others they have a head , which every one bowes down under his own head ; the pope will not bow to the protestants head , nor will the protestants bow to the papists head , the presbiterians , and independants , and anibaptists , and the rest , every one of them bowes to their own head , and will not bow to anothers head . and all these with their hornes pushes one against another , to rend one another ; and all these are from christ , and knowes not him the one head of the whole body , and the one horn of gods salvation , unto all people : for christ which is but one is the head , and the horne , which all the saints , who are now gathered out of this apostacie , and dark night , unto whom the light againe is risen , worships christ the one head , and knowes him the one horn , which pushes against the devils kingdome , which hath long been set up , and ruled in the earth among all these , who have many heads , and many hornes , who are all of them ( the very chiefest ) but in the night fallen , in the apostacie , and darknesse , since the beginning of the reigne of the beast , and the comi●g in of the false prophet , which came in as i have said when the churches backslided , with the whore also , who have mad● all nations , and people drunk with the wine of her fornic●tion ; and the beast hath reigned over all nations in his dominion , and authority , and the false prophet hath prophesied through all nations . and all these came in since the dayes of christ ; or he prophesied that it should be so , as it is come to passe ; and they were coming in , in the dayes of the apostles , as you may read paul saw them coming , and largely describes ●heir character in severall epistles . and peter he saw them coming in , and described them , what such they were , and should be ; and jude he saw them also , and john more fully then any , both in his epistles , and revelations ; as i have hinted at . and when the apostles were taken of the earth , some by cruell death , and others was banished , then they sprung in more fully , and grew through all nations ; and to this day hath the beast , with his many heads , and hornes , ruled in nations , and been worshiped , and his false prophet hath ever since been defended , and riden on the beast , through nations , and hath deceived the nations with vanity , and errour ; and at this very day the nations , and people are deceived , and lies under darknesse , in the slavery and bondage , under the authority of the beast , and subject to the doctrine of his false prophets . and as i have said darknesse hath been over all , and fancies , and liknesses without life have been bowed under , and the power being lost , the forme hath been set up , one after this sort , and another after that , according to mens vaine conceits , and apprehensions upon the scriptures , and not according to the manifestation of the spirit of god , which fulfills the scriptures , and brings to live the life of them . so in divers colours , and in divers appearances , and robes , in severall formes , and shapes of garments hath the great whore been decked , who hath sit upon the beast , haveing the false prophet serving as a boy , or servant , to doe whatsoever the whore listeth . and the false prophet , this servant to the whore , under the power of the beast , hath moved , and turned as the beast would . and according as the whore hath changed her selfe into other garments , and colours ; even so hath the false prophet changed his doctrine , and prayers to please the whore , and to keepe people under the goverment of the beast . it 's knowne in this our day , that some who preached , and prayed for the king , and bishops , doe now preach , and pray for others , even for them who destroyed king , and bishops ; so the false prophet with all his children , is but the whores servant , who hath made drunk kings , and princes , and great men , and people , and nations , with the cup of fornication , and abomination , in the severall sects , and formes of worships , which hath been set up , without the power of godlinesse ; for the babtisme of the spirit being lost , and not known , then from the letter by imaginations , were severall sorts of baptisme brought forth , as sprinkling of infants , that darke folly , and vaine vanity , which all these nations have been deceived withall , by the exercise of the false prophet . and when the gift of the ministery , through the holy ghost , which the ministers of christ had , was lost , and not any more received . then began men to make ministers , by naturall learning , and artes , and languages , and humane pollicie , and when the gift of preaching by the eternall spirit was lost , through the coming in of the apostacie , then began men to study from books , and writings , what to preach , and say , not having the holy ghost received in them , which none is a minister of christ without , ( marke that ) and when men had , lost through ignorance , the knowledge of god dwelling in them , and that their bodyes was his temple , and that he dwelled and walked in his people , then began they againe to build temples without , and to set up their false worships in them ; for having lost the sense of gods true worship , which the saints worshiped in , in the spirit , and in the truth . then they began to worship in set dayes , and set times , and set places , and outward observances , which is not the worship of god in the spirit , and in the truth , but superstitious , and idolatrous ; and when the word of god was not received immediately from his mouth , nor the gospel by the revelation of jesus christ , as it was in the dayes of the apostles , then ( darknesse being come in ) they used their tongues when the lord had not spoken to them , as the false prophets did before christs time ; and long have they said the letter is the word , and that the letter is the gospel , and that it must be received by the scriptures , and by naturall learning , and artes , and that none can be ministers of christ , but such who are learned in the languages , and knowes the originall of scriptures , latine , and greek , and hebrew , not any of these have received the gospel , by revelation , or the word of god from his mouth . and when singing in the spirit , and with understanding was ceased , and not knowne then began people to get the forme of singing of davids experiences in rime , and meeter ; and when the pure power of godlinesse was lost , which was in the dayes of the apostles manifested , and known , then in the apostacie , the deceit grew into the forme of every thing , which the saints had enjoyed in the power ; and so was shaddowes set up instead of substance , and death instead of life , and the forme without the power , which in many branches sprang forth , some into one appearance , and some into another ; but all under the power of the beast , with his many heads , and hornes defended ; and untill this day , since the dayes of the apostles , thus it hath been , and those very teachers , and supposed ministers , which now are in this , and other nations , are of that very root which sprang forth in the dayes of the apostles ; and they are under the dominion of the beast , and moveable like unto the great whore ; and this may easily be proved that they are of that generation of teachers , and false prophets , which christ prophesied of should come , and which the apostles saw was coming in their dayes , and of those which john saw the world to run after ; for christ said by their fruites they should be known , and the apostles they described their fruits , and them by their fruites ; and so we seeing their fruit to be the very same now , which the apostles described was the fruit of them , that then was come , and coming ; from whence we doe conclude according to sound judgment , that these very teachers are of the same generation , and branches of the same root , which sprang forth then . and in pauls writeings you may read , such they were , whom he saw , of whom he bad people to beware , and said perilous times would come , and men should be lovers of themselves , covetous , proud , blasphemers , disobedient to parents , unthankfull , unholy , without naturall affection , false accusers , fierce dispisers of those that are good , heady , high minded , lovers of pleasures , more then lovers of god , having a forme of godlinesse , but denying the power , and such of whom people were ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth ; for people were laden with sins , and led away with divers lusts ; and these did resist the truth , as jannes , and jambres who withstood moses , by making likenesses without life , and they were men of corrupt minds , and reprobate concerning the faith . now it is plaine that these teachers in this generation are of that very stock which paul describes , such he saw would come , and such we see are come , and by their fruits we know them , as christ said ; and pauls words are fullfilled , for these teachers are lovers of themselves , and covetous , and proud , this is plaine to all people ; and blasphemers , who denyes christ to have lighted every man that comes into the world , and therefore they deny scripture , and so are disobedient , and unholy men , and without naturall affection , who many of them have caused the innocent to be imprisoned , and some have dyed in prison , and they the chiefe cause of this , and this is without naturall affection to the creatures ; and they are false accusers , and liers , and fierce in their books and preaching , as is manifest through all this nation ; and they greatly despise those that are good , and prepares war against such , as doth not put into their mouthes ; and they are heady , and high minded , and lovers of vanities , and pleasures , this is evident without proofe , and they have a forme of godlinesse ; they say all should be taught of god , but when any comes to witnesse it , and denyes their teaching , they cry against such as heriticks , and thus they have the words , and the forme , but denyes the power ; and they are ever teaching twenty and fourty yeares , and more , but none able ever to come to the knowledge of the truth by them , but ●●il in blindnesse , and darknesse still , and people cryes out , who have been learning many yeares from them , that they doe not know the truth ; and its plaine that these teachers are of that sort , that paul spoke of , who brings none to the knowledge of the truth ; for people that followes them are laden with sins , and led away with divers lusts ; and these have , and doe resist the truth every where ; they deny that christ hath lighted every man that comes into the world , and so resists truth , and denyes scripture , and the truth , as you may read , john 1. 9. and they are corrupt minded , even wicked persecutors , and suers at law , and earthly minded , and covetous , and oppressors , and are wholly reprobate concerning the faith ; and thus it is plaine that the root of these teachers was springing in the apostles dayes , and hath growen ever since in this darke night of apostacie , and hath filled the nations . againe , the apostle saw that many should depart from the faith , giving heed to seducing spirits , and doctrines of devils , speaking lies in hypocrisie , having their consciences seared as with a hot iron . now these teachers are of that stock which is departed from the true faith ; for they are without true faith , and reprobate concerning it , who are in iniquity , and sin , and the workes of the world which are evill ; now faith purifies the heart from all this ; but their hearts are not purified , but poluted with covetousnesse , and preaching for hire , and persecuting , and envy ; and therefore they have not faith , and so are of that generation which departed from the faith , after the apostles times , which they saw would come ; and these doth seduce , and their doctrines are of the devill , who denyes the truth which the scripture beares witnesse of ; and saith sprinkling infants with water , when they are two or three days old is baptisme into the faith of christ ; this is the doctrine of the devill , and lies they speak in great numbers , and in hypocrisie , and writes them forth to the world in great hypocrisie , with feignednesse , and pretence of holinesse ; and its plaine many of their consciences are seared ; how doe many of them cause the poore people to suffer grievous imprisonment , and spoyling of their goods , to the ruine of families almost , for their maintenance , as tythes , and such like , which if their consciences were not seared they could not doe ; also some of them cryed to the rude wicked people , in their idoll temples , fight lads for the gospel ; and many who have borne witnesse to the truth , and against their deceits , have been beat , and abused , and knocked downe as for dead in their presence ; and their consciences are absolute seared , else they would tremble at these things . also the apostle peter , he saw false prophets would come in , 2 pet. 2. and false teachers , who would bring in damnable heresies , even denying the lord that bought them ; and many should follow their pernicious wayes , and through covetousnesse with feigned words , they would make merchandize of people ; and they would walke after the flesh in the lust of uncleanesse , and despise government , and be presumptuous , and selfe willed , and not afraid to speak evill of dignities , and they would speak evill of things they understand not , and their hearts are exercised with covetous practises , and were cursed children , and they sport themselves with their own deceivings , and these had forsaken the right way , and are gone astray following the way of balaam , who loved the wayes of unrighteousnesse , and these are clouds that are carryed with a tempest , and they speak great swelling words of vanity , and while they promise to others liberty , themselves are the servants of corruption . and such were scoffers , and mockers which would come after the apostles dayes , and they would walke after their own lusts . and now according to this prophesie of peter , who saw false teachers coming in , he gave these characters of them , whereby it doth plainly appeare that this generation of teachers are they , and of that stock which then came in ; for these brings forth the very same fruits , which they did , which he spoke of , and we knowe them by their fruits , as christ hath said ; for these have filled the world with damnable heresies , as holding forth that sprinkling infants with water is baptisme into the faith of christ , and that a sleeple-house is the church , and that singing davids experiences in the world among wicked people in rime , and meeter , is singing to the praise of god , and these are damnable heresies , even to the denying the lord that bought them ; for they deny the light of the lord jesus christ given to every man to be the only teacher , and the only guide of man , and they that doe deny the light of christ with which every man that comes into the world is lighted to be sufficient to lead to christ , and to the kingdome of god ( as these teachers in this age doe ) they deny the lord that bought them ; and many , even whole nations , all the world as john saw in the revelations have followed their pernicious wayes , and run after their idolatry , and pernicious wayes of superstitions , and they doe make merchandize of soules , through covetousnesse with their feigned words ; for where they can make their bargaine to have the most money , there they will preach , and no where else , and if any will give them more the next yeare , they will sell that people , and goe to another , for very covetousnesse , by feigned words , and they doe walke after the flesh , in the lust of pride , and covetousnesse , which is uncleanesse of the flesh ; and they despise the saints government and order ; for they will not suffer the saints to prophesie one by one in their assemblies , according to the saints government , but doth despise that , and persecute it by the government of the beast , unto whose government they are subject , and not to the government of christ , and the saints ; and thus they are presumptuous , and selfe-willed , presuming to afflict , and cause the children of god to be cast into prison , and suffering them to be beat , and abused by their flock , out of their wicked selfe wills , and they are not afraid to speak evill of dignities , and doth speak evill of the wayes of god , and of his truth which they understand not ; and their hearts are exercised with covetous practises , and are cursed children ; for they make poor people that hath but ten eggs give them one , and that hardly can get any fewell for the fire , pay them a penny for the smoake ; with such many other exceeding covetous practises , as suing men two hundred mile to answer for three shillings claimed by them for tithes . and these sport themselves in their vanities , in their own deceiving , and when they have oppressed people for their wages , and makes people pay them for whom they doe no work , and forces wages from them that never hired them , which is unheard of , covetous practises ; they sport themselves in their pride , and lustfullnesse , and they are out of the right way , and gone astray from the wayes of god which are holy , and are in the way of balaam , who went after unrighteous wages , who sought for enchantment against jsrael , as these doe ; and these loves unrighteous wages , by taking maintenance from people by force , unto whom is nothing oweing by them , and these are carried with a tempest of every wind , according as the powers of the earth blowes , these are carried sometime under such a government , and sometime against it , and so are clouds carried about , and are unsetled on the foundation , and they speak great words of christ , and god , and the scriptures , which are but words stolen by them , because they are not spoken by the spirit of god , but by a lying spirit , and they promise to others liberty , that they shall receive the kingdome of god after death , and that christ hath taken away their sins , with such like promises of liberty , but themselves are the servants of corruption , living in pride , and hatred , and covetousnesse , and these serve sin , and are servants of corruption ; and they are scoffers , and mockers , and walkers after their own lusts , as it is evident in all mens sight . so that according to the judgment of truth , we judge these teachers of this generation , to be of the same root which then sprang forth ; for these brings forth the same fruites , as they in that time did ; and in the apostacy they have over-spread the whole world ; and also the apostle jude gave a description of them , according as peter had done ; he saw certaine men creeping in , who turned the grace of god into wantonnesse , and they were filthy dreamers , and knowes nothing , but what they know naturally , as bruit beasts , and in that they corrupt themselves ; and they have gone in the way of caine , and run greedrly after the errour of balaam , and they are trees whose fruit withereth , rageing waves of the sea , foaming out their own shame , wandering starres , they are murmurers , and complainers , walking after their own lusts , having mens persons in admiration , because of advantage , and these seperate themselves sensuall , having not the spirit ; and of this sort which jude describeth are these teachers in this generation , whose fore fathers crept in , in the apostles dayes , and these are their cursed children , which now abounds in these nations at this day ; and they are filthy dreamers , studying for what they speak , and dreaming without the spirit of god an houre in a pulpit , and what they know it is naturally , by naturall learning , and naturall arts , and in that knowledge they are also corrupted , in pride , and vaine glory , and vanities , like bruit beasts in their apparrell , and practises , and not like ministers of the gospel nor saints ; and they are in caines way , in envy , and murder , and wrath , abounding ; no people like them , and they doe run greedily after balaams errour , for gifts , and rewards , and unrighteous wages , which they run after greedily ; and they are trees who brings forth these cursed fruits , which will wither , and fade away ; and they are like raging proud waves of the sea , foaming out their shame in lies , and slanders , and cursed speaking , in publick , and private , and they have no habitation in the firmament of god , but are wandering starres , and sometime in one opinion , and sometime in another , but the blacknesse of darknesse is reserved for them , and the judgment of the great day ; and they are murmurers , and complainers , and they can never have enough , but seekes for their gaine from their quarter , as the false prophets did in isaiahs time , and they have mens persons in admiration , because of advantage to themselves , bowing , and worshiping mens persons , who will advantage them in their wages , or hire , and maintenance , begging favour of the magistrates , and having their persons in admiration , that they may have their advantage in oppressing poor people in tythes , in this , their wickednesse is hard to be expressed ; and these have seperated themselves , into selfe seperation , some into one forme gathered , and some into another , but all sensuall , and in the wisdome which is from below , and without the spirit of god , and thus it is proved that these teachers of this age are of the same ge●eration , in their practises , which jude describeth to be creeping in in his time . and farther the apostle john 1. epistle 4. he saw that the false prophets , and antichrists , which christ prophesied of to come , was come in his dayes , and said many false prophets are gone out into the world , which is the spirit of antichrist , whereof you have heard , said john , and even now already is it in the world , and they were of the world , and the world heard them ; and so are this generation of teachers , who succeeds them that went forth into the world then ; these are of the world , in its wayes pride , and wickednesse , covetousnesse , and envy , and all evill , and they that are in the evill of the world , in wickednesse heareth them , and maintaineth them ; so that according to johns description , these teachers of this age are of that same flock which came in then ; and john further saw that all the world was gone after them , and worshiped the beast which was then risen , and run after the false prophet , which then came in , and fat upon the beast , and its plaine that the world is all run after them , untill this day , which is a day of bringing back againe from the false prophet , and from under the power of the beast , and the beast , and his image ; and the false prophet , and his divinations must down to the ground ; and according as john further prophesied , the holy citywhich had been troden down under the gentiles feet , for such a time should againe be gained , and the saints should have the dominion , and the old dragon should be chained , and christ should reigne , and his kingdome should be set up in the earth , and the tabernacle of god should be with men ; and this is the day that the lord is restoring againe the way of peace , which long hath been lost , and the power of god is againe witnessed , which hath not been known for generations . so that of things spoken this is the sum of truth , and the word of the lord god to all people on the earth ; that in the dayes of christ , and the apostles , it was a glorious day of light , and life , and power , and the lord gathered a people which honoured his name , while they stood with him , and in his counsell walked ; but since the dayes of the apostles , hath been an apostacy ▪ and darknesse over all , and a subversion upon all , and night have been over all , wherein no man could work as christ said , and formes without power have been established , the pure way of god hath not been known in its purity ; so that this time wherein all are fallen , is a time of ignorance , of the reigne of the beast , which all the world hath wandred after , and a time wherein the gentiles feet hath troden down the holy city , and a time wherein all the world runs after the false prophet , and are deceived , and made drunk with the wine of the whores fornications . i say this is the time wherein all the men of this generation are fallen , and the scripture is fulfilled , the night wherein no man can work is upon the world , and further this is the time of antichrists dominion , which hath exalted himselfe in the seat of god , shewing himselfe to be god ; and long hath he reigned with the beast and the false prophet , ever since the dayes of the apostles ; and these same teachers of this generation which now are in the world are manifest by their fruit , to be of that generation of that seed , and flock of false prophets , which christ prophesied of should come in the last time after his dayes , and which most of the apostles saw coming in , in their dayes , by their fruites i say they are known , for these brings forth the same fruites , and beares the same markes which they described those did , in their time ; so we see christs prophesie is fulfilled , who said they should come ; for they are come , and the apostles descriptions are fullfilled on these ; for these teachers are such as beares the same characters as is proved , as they said they should beare that would come ; and long hath the nations been deceived , and kept under the worship of the beast , running after the false prophet ; and we see johns prophesie is fulfilled , who said that the holy city was given to be troden under the feet of the gentiles ; for so we see it hath been for many generations , and also we know the time is now approaching , that the dominion of the beast is near an end , and the holy city shall the saints possesse , and the gentiles shall be driven out of it , according as john said , who wrote the last of any of the apostles , and gave full testimony of these things which i have declared of , ( viz. ) of an apostacy , and reigning of the beast , and false prophet , and a subversion from the wayes of god ; and this hath been , and come to passe ; also he prophesied of the gaining of the holy city , in again to the saints , and of a restoration , wherein new jerusalem should be made manifest from heaven , and should againe be adorned , as a bride for her husband , and the saints should inhabit it , and the tabernacle of god should be with men upon earth , and the lord would dwell for ever with his people ; and this day is approaching nigh at the doors , for the fig tree hath blossomed , and we know it is near at hand , the summer wherein the glory of the lord shall be revealed unto all nations , and they shall know that he is the lord god almighty that will take vengeance upon the great whore , who hath made all drunk with the wine of her fornication . and now after the long night of apostacy , and darknesse which hath been upon the face of the earth , is the lord appearing , and his day dawning , and his light breaking forth as the glory of the morning , and the kingdome of god is revealed , and his dominion is setting up , after the long reigne of the beast , who hath had his power , and his seat , and his great authority from the dragon , after whom the whole world hath wandered , and him hath worshiped , who have been saying who is like unto the beast , who is able to make war with him ? his mouth for many generations hath been opened in blasphemy against god , and his name ; and he hath made war with the saints , and his power hath overcome them ( marke ) overcome them , and then himself hath reigned , and the reigne of christ for many yeares hath not been known , but over kindreds , and tongues , and nations hath the beast had power , and over them hath reigned for many ages , and all that dwell upon the earth hath worshiped him , whose names are not written in the book of life ; the earth hath been caused , and them that dwell therein to worship the beast , and by his wonders he deceiveth them that dwell on the earth , and as many as would not worship the beast and his image , the beast hath had power that they should be killed , and many hath he killed , who would not worship him , and are persecuted ; and both small , and great , rich , and poor , free , and bond , hath received the marke of the beast , and the number of his name , which is the number of a man ; he that reads let him understand ; these things hath come to passe , and been fulfilled since the apostles dayes , in this night wherein no man could worke , which christ said would come ; but now the fourty , and two monthes , which time the beast , and his image was to continue , and so long was his power to remaine to make war , and to overcome the saints . i say the time is well nigh expired , and finished , and the lord god almighty , and the lamb is arisen to make war against the beast , and his image , who hath reigned over the kingdomes of the world , and the judgment of the great whore cometh , who hath sit upon the beast , and drunken the blood of the saints , and with whom the kings of the earth ( since the apostles dayes ) have committed fornication , and all the inhabiters of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication ; and all the merchants of the earth hath been made rich through the aboundance of her delicacies ; and she hath sit upon the scarlet coloured beast , and her cup in her hand hath been full of abominations , and filthinesse of her fornication , and her name is mistery babylon , the mother of harlots ; and all the kings of the earth hath given their power unto the beast , and committed fornication with the great whore ; and she hath sit over people , and multitudes , and nations , and tongues ( since the apostles dayes ) and even some who have hated the whore , and fulfilled the will of god , and made the whore naked , yet they give their power also to the beast , untill the word of god be fulfilled . consider these things you that hath an ear to heare ; but now the mighty day of the lord , and the judgment of the whore is approaching , wherein she shall be rewarded according to her works , and double shall be given her into her cup , and as she hath loved blood , so shall blood be given her to drinke , and the merchants of the earth shall lament her , whom they have waxen rich by , who hath glorified her selfe , and lived deliciously , and hath said in her heart , i sit as a queene , and am no widow , and shall not see sorrow ; but now the one day is dawning , wherein her plagues shall come , death , and mourning , and famine , and she shall utterly be burned with fire ; for strong is the lord that is risen to judge her , and the kings , and merchants , and all the inhabiters of the earth shall lament her , and shall cry , alas , alas ! and now are they beginning , for the hour is come that her judgment cometh , and all her merchants , who have trafiqued with the souls of men shall partake of her plagues , who have partaked of her sins , and lived deliciously with her , and the fruites that her soul lusted after shall depart from her , and all things that are dainty , and goodly , shall depart from her , and she shall find them no more at all , when her judgment cometh and in an hour all her riches is come to nought , and her merchants at land and sea shall lament her ; even her that hath ruled over nations , and sit as a queene for many generations , ever since the dayes of the apostles , untill this day ; yea all that have wandred after her , even the whole world shall lament , and bemoan her ; and such as have served her , and made slaves of the souls of men , by merchandize , and trafique shall bewaile her , and their gaine shall cease for ever , for in one hour shall she be made desolate , and her glory shall fade , and her beauty shall wither , and the beast that hath carried her shall utterly faint , and the false prophet that hath wrought miracles in their sight , and deceived the nations shall be cast into a bed of torment with her , and the beast , and the false prophet shall be taken , and cast alive into the lake of fire to be tormented for ever day , and night , world without end ; and the whore in whom hath been found the blood of the prophets , and of the saints , and of all that were slaine upon the earth , and the beast who hath caused all that dwell on the earth to worship him , and his image , for many ages , and the false prophet who hath deceived the whole world , and all nations , and made them subject unto the power of the beast , by his miracles which he hath wrought in the sight of men ; these shall be plagued together , and tormented together ; for the false prophet , and the beast hath sent forth their uncleane spirits , like frogs unto all the kings of the earth , and unto the whole world to gather them to battell with their armies to make war against him that sits on the white horse , even the son of god ; and this is the false prophet which christ prohesied of to come , which long since came , and hath served the beast , and the great whore ; for many generations , and many even all nations have been deceived as christ said , and led aside ▪ and blinded , and bewitched by him ; and as i have said these teachers of this generation are of them , of their root , and off-spring which long hath flourished on the face of the earth . but the day is at hand , that the heaven , and the holy apostles , and prophets shall rejoyce over the whore , and over the false prophet ; for the lord comes to avenge us on her , and as she hath done , so shall it be done unto her ; now in this day wherein jerusalem shall be builded againe , and the holy city which the gentiles have trod under foot , for fourty and two monthes , which time is expired , and near a full end , accounting from the dayes of the coming in of the apostacy , untill this day , if any have an eare to heare let him heare ; this i have received from god ; i say the holy city shall be measured , and the gentiles cast out , and she shall be adorned , and as a bride for her husband shall she be prepared , and gods tabernacle shall be with men , and he will dwell with them , and they sh●ll be his people , and god himselfe will be their god , and all teares shall be wiped away , and there shall be no more death , nor sorrow ; for the former things are passed away and all things shall be made new . and what i have said are the faithfull sayings of god ; every one that is a thirst shall drink of the water of life freely , and he that overcometh shall inherit all things , and shall be called the son of god , and shall dwell in the holy city , which long the gentiles foot hath troden under , which shall againe be adorned , and prepared as a bride for her husband ; if any hath an ear to heare let them heare . and the glory of the lord is risen , and his day is breaking forth more abundantly , and the lambe is given for a light , and all nations that are saved shall walke in the light of the lambe , and the king of righteousnesse , ( who hath been long fled into egypt , while herod the beast , which hath sought his life , and driven the woman into the wildernesse , hath reigned ) shall againe be set upon the holy hill of sion , and rule all nations with a rod of iron , and trample upon the necks of all his enemies , the nations hath not for many ages been ruled by him . but the beast , who hath ruled over kindreds , and people , and said who hath been able to make war against the beast , and to the power of the beast hath all nations been subject , and the dominion of christ hath been troden down , and despised , and his holy city hath been laid wast , and his princely power hath not been felt , nor witnessed in the kingdomes of men , for ages , and times , nor him the one head , and the one horne hath not been known , but many heads , and hornes hath been exalted , and all nations , and all the princes , and kingdomes of the earth , hath been subject unto the rule , and law of the beast , and to the divinations of the false prophet , and darknesse hath been over all , and god hath been as a stranger in the earth , as one not known , he hath been worshiped ignorantly , and the inscription every where hath been to the unknown god , but now after all this the glorious god of truth hath appeared , and great , and mighty hath been his hand , and power in this our day , in raising up a righteous branch out of the root of righteousnesse , and in gathering his scattered people up to himselfe , who have been scattered by the idoll teachers , and deceived by the false prophets , and made a prey upon by the wilde beasts of the forrest ; o how hath the people been made a prey upon by their teachers , and greedily devoured by dumb shepherds , who have sought themselves , and sought for their gaine , every one from his quarter ; for many ages , how hath people been led blind , by their blind shepheards , and none to this day come to the knowledge of the truth by them ? for these have run , and was not sent , and therefore the people have not been profited at all , as it was in jeremiahs dayes , so is it now , no profit among people in the knowledge of the wayes of god , but leanesse , and barrennesse , and as the teacher , so his people , all out of the way , in prophanesse , and wickednesse , and prophanesse is gone forth from them into many nations , yet is the lord bringing backe his inheritance , which hath been driven away into the desolate wildernesse ; yea , and the lord hath caused his light to shine out of darknesse , and unto them that have sit in darknesse , and in the shaddow of death is the marvellous light risen , that the glory of the lord may be revealed , and gods tabernacle may be with men , and the holy city is a preparing as a bride for her husband , and darknesse shall fly away , and sorrow , and sighing shall no more be known , but life , and immortality shall againe be brought to light , as it was in the dayes of the apostles . this i have received from god ; and the lord shall be known to be the god of his people ; and for this cause hath he called , and chosen faithfull witnesses , and given his powerfull ministry , by the gift of the holy ghost , as it was in the apostles dayes , and now many are called to declare abroad the things which we have heard , and seen , and handled , and the gospel of christ is received by the revelation of gods eternall spirit , and son in our hearts , and the power is made manifest , and the forme of godlinesse is denied and judged , and christ the one head is exalting , and the one horn of gods salvation is revealing , and the many heads , and many hornes must be broken to pieces , and be confounded in this the day of the lord ; for his purpose is powerfull in carrying on his own work against all his enemies ; so that none is able to hinder , but they that set themselves ( even the beast , and his power . which is now struck at ) and his kingdome is invaded , hath raised the force of his power , and the policie of his arme ; yet shall they be confounded , and no formed weapon shall prosper against the lord , and his way ; who is now arisen to avenge himselfe of the beast , and his power , and the whore , and her fornications , and the false prophet , and his divinations , which all must into the wine-presse of gods dreadfull wrath to be troden ; and all that worship the beast , and repents not , shall partake of the plagues of the beast , and of the whore , and though the false prophet gather gog , and magog together , to fight against the lamb , and to compasse the beloved . city about , yet he shall , and them that he gathers be broken to pieces , and driven as dust before the wind , and as stubble before the fire ; for the purpose of the lord shall stand . great babylon is come into remembrance before the lord , to reward her according to her deeds ; and the lord will cause his truth , and his salvation to be known in the earth , and his name and power is declared in the hearts of his people to the overturning of all unrighteousnesse , and though every horn of the beast push against this , and every head with his members set it selfe against it ; yet the councell of the lord shall not be disanulled , nor made voyd , for the scepter , and dominion of his son shall be exalted over all the earth , and the princes of the world , and the kings of the earth shall lay down their crowns , and become subject ; for the kingdomes of this world shall be changed , and shall become the kingdomes of the lord , and of his christ ; the kingdome of the beast must down , and the princely power of darknesse must be overthrowne , and lawes , and times , and things , and powers of men shall be overturned , and overturned , till he come to reigne in the earth , whose right it is to reigne over nations , and people ; and because of this the rage of the heathen hath been great , and the councells of the wicked many , and strong , from the prophane drunkards to the chiefest professed teachers of this age , even all the whole body of the beast , hath joyned it selfe against the purpose of the lord , men of all conditions from the highest to the lowest , have armed themselves with mischiefe to offend the way of truth . this is written as moved of the lord to go abroad through the nations , that all may understand concerning the times , and the changing of times , how that the beast hath reigned in dominion , over nations , tongues , and people ; and all have worshiped the beast , and gone after the false prophet ; here all may come to a good understanding , what hath been , and what is , and what shall be ; how that when the power , and government of christ was lost , through departing from the faith , which ruled in the apostles dayes , then the whole world was as unstable in wayes , and judgments as a sea , then out of the sea one beast arose , and another after him arose out of the earth , and all hath been caused both small , and great , bond , and free to worship the beast , and the image of the beast ; yea all the dominions of the world hath for many ages been subject to the power of the beast in all things , and not known the worship , and power of god , and the pure subjection to him , but the kings of the earth , and all her princes have given their power to the beast , and hath received their authority from him , and acted thereby many of them in great unrighteousnesse , in injustice , and oppression , and cruelty ; in pride , and rebellion , and vaine glory , in quarilling one with another , to the murdering of thousands of thousands ; and this hath all been brought forth under the power of the beast , and by it ; and his heads , and hornes hath exalted themselves one against another , and smitten one another , and the great whore hath made them all drunke , and all people upon earth , with envy , pride , wantonnesse , and all unrighteousnesse ; this hath been since the apostles dayes in this night of apostacie , wherein the whole world hath been subverted by false prophets , and deceivers , and the kingdome of christ hath not been known upon earth for many generations , but the beast hath been established in his throne of rebellion against christ jesus , his decrees hath been lawes , and statutes , and he hath made war against all the saints , and overcome them , and reigned over them untill this time , and troden down their city , and defaced their glory , but the blood of the just hath cryed day , and night under the altar , the soules of such as hath been slain for the testimony of the word of god have cryed day , and night , how long lord , how long , when wilt thou avenge our blood upon the heads of our enemies , even the beast , the whore , and the false prophet , and this hath been for many ages , even while the kingdome of antichrist hath been set up , and advanced through the world , and his power , and authority hath reached over nations , bond , and free , from the prince on his throne , to the begger on the dunghill , even all hath been subjected under the power of the beast ; that nature having ruled within every particular , hath given him the authority without over all , and admired him , and said who is able to make war with him . antichrist hath ruled over all , by injustice , oppression , and tyranny in unrighteous lawes , and through wicked decrees , old pharoah-like , he hath laid heavy yoakes , and oppressive bondes upon the just ; for who would not be subject to him , he hath had power to kill them , and none was able to gainsay ; such hath been the greatnesse of his power , and the strength of his dominion over all , that none hath been able to make war against him , he hath been admired in all the world , not any nation excepted where the government of antichrist hath not borne rule , and there hath been none left to bear witnesse against him , or to stand up against him ; for the faithfull witnesses hath been killed , and slain in the streets of the great city , which spiritually is called sodome and egypt , and all them that have dwelt upon the earth have made merry over their dead bodies , and rejoyced in their iniquities over the slaine , and been without a reprover , and not tormented , nor troubled , but have sent gifts one to another , because they have slain them , who have tormented them that dwell upon the earth ; and the government of the beast hath been enlarged , and the whole world hath wandered after him , and been in subjection under him , for many generations ; even for fourty and two monthes , he that can read let him understand ; so long hath it been given him to make war against the saints , and to overcome them , and it hath been given him to reigne over all people in the wrath of god , and in his anger , because of the rebellion of all the earth and all people in it , but he shall be taken away in gods displeasure , who reignes in his anger over the nations , who hath forsaken the lord , and was given up to the power of the beast , to be subjected in slavery , and bondage , in pain , sorrow , and misery ; and through deceit , craft , and pollieic , and oppression , and by the wisdome of this world , and naturall artes , and knowledge his government hath long been established , and his dominion hath been upon earth ; times , and lawes , and things , and powers of men have been in his hand , to change , and subvert , and overturne into his own image , and to transforme them like to the beast , none upon earth , hath bought , or sold , or judged , or given evidence , or been respected in all the world , that have not had the marke of the beast , and the number of the names of antichrist , rich , and poor , and small , and great hath received his marke , as a seale of their subjection to the beast , whose many heads , and many hornes , hath subjected all by the force of his arme , and he hath blinded the eye least men should see him , and cast darknesse over all faces , and the false prophet hath deceived many , as christ hath said , and all the earth hath been wandering in the wildernesse of wickednesse , and the long-suffering of the lord hath been wearied , and he continually provoked to destroy the nations , who have followed antichrist , who hath shewed himselfe in the seat of god , to be god , and hath sat in the seat of god , in the seat of justices righteousnesse , and of mercy , and the abomination of desolation hath long stood in the place where it ought not , for many ages , and length of times , and his many heads , and many hornes hath swayed the world , through the terrour of the beast , who hath made all worship him , and they that would not he hath killed , who hath carried the great whore , who hath made all men without exception , and all nations without respect to any , wholly drunke with abomination , and all hath staggered , and fallen ▪ into grievous iniquities , and the dragon hath stood ready continually , to devour the child of righteousnesse as soon as it wa● borne , and the woman hath been forced to fly into the wildernesse that hath brought it forth , and hath fed there for so many dayes , and for a long season hath the lord been blasphemed , even the name of god , and his tabernacle ; and them that dwell in heaven . but now hath the lord considered , and looked down from his habitation , and of a truth he is risen , and hath taken to him his great power , that he may reigne , and put all things under his feet , and subdue the power of the beast , and antichrist ; and all their government , and rule , and lawes , and decrees shall be overthrowne , and confounded , and all their worship shall be broken ; for great babylon is come into remembrance before the lord to render to her according to her workes ; the lamb is now risen , and advanced with his bow , and his sword , and he is going forth conquering , and to conquer the beast , and all that hath worshiped him ; and they that are with the lambe are called and chosen , and faithfull , and they loved not their lives unto death , and they shall overcome him by the blood of the lambe , and by the word of his testimony ; the dominion of the lambe is setting up , and his power is made manifest , and the stone cut out of the mountaine without hand is a dashing at the feet of the image , and against the beast , and his power , and against all his lawes , and decrees is he risen , and he will change times , and lawes , and powers , and the kingdomes of this world , shall become the kingdome of the lord , and of his christ , and he shall reign for ever and ever ; for now the spirit of life from god is entered into the witnesses which hath been slain , and they begin to stand upon their feet , and great feare falls upon the great men of the world , and the devill is cast out into the earth , who hath sit in heaven , in the temple of god , and deceived the whole world , and his wrath is great against the saints , and against the lambe , because he knowes that his time is but short ; and the man-childe shall grow , and shall rule the nations with a rod of iron ; if any man hath an eare to heare let him heare ; he that leadeth into captivity , shall goe into captivity , he that killeth with the sword , must be killed with the sword ; the purpose of the lord shall stand , who is now gathering , and bringing backe such as hath been driven away , and deceived by the generation of false prophets , who hath deceived the whole world and all that dwell therein , and the lord will take vengeance upon them , upon the beast , and upon the false prophet , and great babylon shall be thrown down , and shall be no more at all , but shall be made desolate , and the voyce of harpers , and musicians shall be heard no more at all in her , but her glory shall wither , and fade away in a moment , for he that bath a true weight , and measure is appeared to divide , and to give due weight , and measure unto every one , and all the wicked who will not come from under the worship of the beast shall have their part in the lake that burnes with fire , and he that is unjust , let him be unjust still , and he that is righteous , let him be righteous still , here is the dividing of all things as they were in the beginning ; the glory of the lord is risen , whose name is called the word of god , and out of his mouth goeth a sharpe sword , and with it he smites the nations and he shall rule them with an iron rod ; for his name is king of kings , and lord of lords , and he is gathering his saints together to the supper of the great god , to eat the flesh of kings , the flesh of captaines , and the flesh of horses , and them that sit thereon ; the purpose of the lord shall not be disanulled , though the beast , and the kings of the earth gather together their armies to make war against him that sits upon the horse , who is already gone out to conquer , and the numberles number of the saints are gathering together before the throne of the lambe , and they have no guile found in their mouthes . and the day is now dawned , and the night is far spent , woe unto the world , and to all the inhabiters of the earth , who have worshiped the beast , the lord is coming to plead with you , and ye that have partaked of the sins of the great whore shall partake of her plagues , and she shall be rewarded double according to her works , for her sins hath reached unto heaven ; the day of great tribulation is at hand , of anguish , and destruction , men shall seek death and shall not find it , but it shall flie from them , when the lord ariseth , and the lamb standeth upon mount sion , and his saints with him , who shall tread down the heathen , and cast them out , even as they have troden down the holy city , and the worship thereof ; and the kingdome of the beast , and his seat , and his great authority , which he hath received from the dragon , shall all be thrown downe ; and the kingdome of the son of god with his government , scepter , and rule shall be established in all the earth , and the uttermost parts thereof shall be given him to possesse ; this is the promise , and this shall come to passe , and through the whole world ; lawes , and decrees , ministry , and orders shall be changed , and renewed ; the law , and the decree of the most high shall rule over all , and the holy city shall be beautified , and is adorning , and preparing , for the saints , and their king to inherit , the lamb is the light of the city , and the temple therein , and all nations , and people that are saved shall walke in the light of the lambe , for he hath lighted every man that comes into the world with the light of salvation in all that doe receive him , and darknesse shall fly away ; the sun is risen , and praises , and honour , and glory , and dominion shall be given to the lambe , who shall reigne over nations , and his saints shall see him , and his name shall be in their foreheads , and there shall be no night , but light , and glory , and the kings of the earth shall bring in their glory , and honour into it , and the gates stand open , and is not shut , every one that thirsteth let him come , the cry is unto all , and yet nothing that defileth shall enter ; these are the faithfull sayings of the lord who is true , and must not long be sealed , for the time is at hand , and all men shall read , and all that keepeth the commandements of god shall have right to the tree of life , and blessed are they , they shall be healed , though now they suffer all manner of evill for the name of jesus , by the beast , and under his power , by them that worship him , who must fulfill wickednesse by persecuting the innocent , till the lord be raised out of his habitation ; and the dominion shall be given to them , and they shall have power to binde kings in chaines , and nobles in fetters of iron ; this is their honour , and this is their dignity , and they shall rejoyce for ever , and ever , and shall glory in the lord , and not in this world , and this shall come to passe as the lord hath said . wherefore all nations , and people arise , arise , and be awakened , prepare , prepare , and make way for the lord , be removed ye mountaines , and thrown down ye hills , and hewen down ye sturdy oakes , and cut up ye tall cedars , make way , and prepare the path for the holy one , who is coming to rule with his iron rod , and will dash you all to pieces ; be afraid , and tremble thou beast that hath long reigned over the earth , and all thy false prophets , and worshipers be confounded at this , and bow , and tremble at the remembrance hereof , he whom you have hated , and crucified , and his saints whom you have persecuted shall come to reigne over you all , and to him whom you have set at nought must you be subject to , and ruled by , to all your sorrow , for behold the lord cometh with his numberlesse number of saints , and this is a warning to all nations , and people upon earth , times , and lawes must be changed among you , governments , and orders must be changed ; unjustice , and oppression shall be removed , and every yoake , and burden shall be taken of from the neck of the poor , true judgment , and justice , mercy , and truth , peace , and righteousnesse shall be exalted , and all the nations shall have judges as at the first , and counsellers as at the beginning , and the poor shall rejoyce when true judgment , and justice reigneth , and the false prophet subdued . and this is a warning to you all , that you may hear , and consider the lamb who hath been slain , who is risen to reigne , who is the prince of peace , of whose government there shall be no end , even he hath lightned all man kinde on the face of the earth ; the fight is the eye which will let you see all this , and will bring you to the fulfilling of it , and to the good understanding , and it shall evidence the truth of this , even the light of christ in all men which is given to guide in the way of peace . the kingdome of christ , is setting up , and it is not of this world , neither shall be exalted , nor advanced , by worldly pollicy , and worldly wisdome , nor by carnall weapons , nor by the multitude of an host of men , ( it is true ) the son of god is gone forth , conquering and to conquer , and the spirit of his mouth , and the word of his power , shall get himself the victory his own arme , alone without the helpe of another , shall worke the conquest , and his kingdome shall be set up within every particular of his subjects , for none can know him reigne without them unto their salvation , till they know him , to reigne first within , for that which opposeth the kingdome of christ , and the setting of it up , is within every man , and must be subdued within , where it hath ruled , and the enemy of christs kingdome , which hath lodged within , must first be subdued before there be dominion over his enemies without . this is the word of the lord to all people , for he that pursues his enemy without , and leaves him in his own house , is foolish , and out of the way , and shall be overcome of his enemy , and shall not overcome him , therefore ye that are waiting for the kingdome of christ , be awakened , and seek for it , where it is to be found , not without you first , but first within , strive not to obtaine it with your carnall weapons , but take the weapons which is spiritual , which only will overcome , be not deceived for through suffering must the kingdome of christ be set up , and not by rebellion through crafts , and plots , and secret pollicy , and turbulent arisings , nor strife , in the nature of enmity , ( by this meanes shall the kingdome of christ never be advanced ) and this is the word of the lord , and our testimony which we give of the kingdome of christ , who is indeed arisen to make war against all his enemies , and they that follow him are called and faithfull , and chosen , whose weapons are spirituall , and mighty through god , and reacheth , to the killing and subduing of all flesh , ( and he must war ) till all his enemies be subdued , and must reigne over all his enemies , till the kingdome be delivered to the father , where he shall be all in all . the 3d month 1657. all ye inhabitants of the earth in all nations through the world ; hearken and give ear , the word of the lord god that made heaven and earth is towards you , he is coming to set up his kingdome and his dominion which never shall have end , and the kingdomes of this world shall be changed and shall become the kingdomes of the son of god . all ye kings , and princes , and rulers through the whole world , the lord is coming up with his mighty host against you all , he who will fanne you , and sift you , and try you , and search you out , for his fanne is in his hand , and he will throughly purge you , and you shall all know that the kingdome of the most high god , rules in the kingdomes of men ; all your glory shall fade away , all your majesty , and honour , and dignities , and dominions shall come to an end , all your strength is but as a straw , all your treasure as a thing of nought , all your glory as a fading leafe in the presence of the lord god that made heaven , and earth ; all nations upon the earth , are but as the drop of a bucket befo●e him , and the hearts of all men are in his hand , and by him kings rule , and the princes of the earth are at his disposure and you are all weighed in the ballance of equity , and found too light before the lord , for all flesh hath corrupted its way before him ; be awakened ye that have long slept in darknesse , and been at ease in the flesh ye that have had peace in this world , and pleasure in the vanities thereof , the lord is coming to make war against you , his trumpet hath sounded , and his sons and daughters is gone forth to bear witnesse of his majesty , and power , and dominion , and the lord hath spoken , who can but prophesie , he hath given the word , and many are they that publish it ; let your eares be open to instruction , and kicke not against the lord , neither harden your hearts against him , but make way for him , and prepare his path , for he cometh to judge the world in righteousnesse , and the people with equity , and the testimony of the light of jesus in you all shall witnesse for him ; your princely powers must become subject to the power of the kingdome of the most high , and your glory must be vailed , and darkned before the glory which the lord is causeing to shine forth , and we the servants of the most high doe give you warning of the day of your visitation , which is upon you , and all the world ; for the lord is now risen who hath long winked at the time of great ignorance , but now he warnes you all to repent ; therefore bow down ye stiffe-necked , and tremble ye stout-hearted , and be abased ye lofty-looks , our king is above you all , our dominion is over you all , and the line of true judgement are you all measured with , and your wayes are not found perfect in the sight of the lord , nor your hearts right before him , his kingdome hath not been known in your dominions , neither hath his law and his judgements borne rule , but you have every one bin doing that which is right in the sight of your own eyes ; and the counsells of your heart hath been nought but vanity before the lord ; vain glory hath abounded among you which the lords soul hath been burthened by ; the honours , and pleasures of the flesh hath been your delight , and strife , and enmity hath been among you , and warres , and quarrelling , and fighting one against another , and you have rejoyced in the over-throw one of another , and in destroying one another , and you have taken pleasure in gaining one anothers dominions , you have striven who should have been the greatest , and greatly opressed the poor , you have exalted your selves one against another , and drawn up your armies one in defiance of another , and the bloud of thousands hath been shed to satisfie the humors of your proud hearts all this hath been evill in the sight of the lord , and his spirit hath been grieved , and his soul vexed by all this , and he hath forborne till he hath been weary ; for he hath been dishonoured by all this ; and his law hath not borne rule , and his judgements hath had no place , you have been cruell hearted one towards another , and mercilesse , and without pitty , and you have not done to others as you would be done unto , but you have rendred evill for evill , and sought occasions of evill one against another , and vexed one another through the pride of your hearts ; therefore now is the lord risen to make warre against you all , and to dash you to peices ; the feller comes up amongst you , he that will not spare to ssay , and to devoure , who will not be affraid of your lofty lookes , he will spoile you of your treasures , and lay waste your strength ; all ye kingdomes of the earth , and your gathering together against him is but as briers , and thornes , for he will exalt his owne kingdome over you all , and all yee kings of the earth shall know that that the kingdome of the most high must rule in your kingdomes , and your lawes shall be changed , and the poor shall no more be opressed ; for he is come that proclaimes liberty unto the captives , who will remove opression far away , who will change times , and worships and ordinances , and there shall be no law but the law of god , nor no light , but of the lamb , nor no worship but the worship in the spirit , and in the truth ; for all your worships which the nations are full of , is nought but vanity , and a lye , immitations , and superstitions , brought forth in hypocrisie , and not in an upright heart ; vanity of vanities hath abounded both in civill , and spirituall affairs ; the root in which you stand is wholy corrupted , and no good fruit springs from it , but cursed fruites which must be hewen downe , and cast into the fire ; ye have been evill , and could not bring forth any good , you are corrupted , and your fruit is of a bitter taste , a day of sorrow , of lamentation , and misery is coming upon you all ; ye that have been high , and lofty and stout hearted , fearfulnesse shall surprize you , and the terror of the lord of hosts shall compasse you about ; i am moved to salute you all with this as a warning and when it comes to passe remember you have been told ; ye that know not the kingdome of the most high ruling men , but are saying in your hearts this hath my hand done , in a moment shall you be smitten , and know there is one above you which must rule , for it his right to rule over all nations , and there shall be no king , but jesus the anointed of god , nor no government , but the government of the lambe , there shall be no more warres , but war against the dragon , who hath stood to devour the man-child , which is now bringing forth , and he must rule with his iron rod , and shall subdue all under his feet ; we whom god hath warned cannot but warn you of these things , whith are to come to passe ; he is coming to seperate betwixt the just , and the unjust , he will gather from among you , that the wicked may be consumed from off the face of the earth . all you rulers in the world , i warne you all , take heed how you persecute such as comes to warne you , who brings this message to you , least you add sin to sin , till there be no place found for repentance ; for ye shall all know our god is the true god that made heaven and earth , before whose presence all flesh must come to judgement . by a friend unto the creation . e. b. finis . the case of free liberty of conscience in the exercise of faith and religion presented unto the king and both houses of parliament ... / by ... edward burroughs. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 1661 approx. 30 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 8 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. text creation partnership, ann arbor, mi ; oxford (uk) : 2004-05 (eebo-tcp phase 1). a30511 wing b5986 estc r5152 12270151 ocm 12270151 58212 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. 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ascii text with mnemonic sdata character entities); displayable xml (tcp schema; characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or text strings within braces); or lossless xml (tei p5, characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or tei g elements). keying and markup guidelines are available at the text creation partnership web site . eng liberty of conscience -great britain -early works to 1800. society of friends -great britain. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-01 aptara keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-02 emma (leeson) huber sampled and proofread 2004-02 emma (leeson) huber text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion the case of free liberty of conscience in the exercise of faith and religion , presented unto the king and both houses of parliament . and also proved absolute needfull and requisite for them to grant and allow in these kingdoms , by many considerations and reasons unfolding the wofull effects and ill consequence which will infallably follow upon the contrary , to the misery and destruction of these nations , if the free exercise of conscience to god-ward , be limitted and violently restrained . by a lover of truth and just government , edward bvrrovghs . london , printed for thomas simmons , 1661. to the king and both houses of parliament . forasmuch as it hath pleased the lord god of heaven and earth , ( who is mighty and powerful , and bringeth to pass whatsoever he will in the kingdomes of this world , ) so to suffer it to be accomplished , that power and authority is given unto you , to exercise over these kingdomes ; and whereas the people of these nations ( over whom your authority is extended ) are divided in their judgments in matters spiritual , and are of different principles and wayes in relation to faith and worship and practises of religion , and yet are all of them free-born people , and natives of these kingdoms , and as such ought to possesse and injoy their lives , liberties and estates by the just lawes of god and man ; and may not justly any of them be destroyed by you , nor one sort of another , in their persons and estates , by death , banishment or other persecutions , for and because only of their differences in matters of opinion and judgement , nor though they are contrary minded in profession of faith and worship and religion , while they do walk peaceably and justly in their conversations , under the kings authority , and do not make practise of their religion , to the violating of the government , nor to the injury of other mens persons or estates , but ought rather to be defended and protected by you in all their rights both as men and christians , both in things civil and spiritual , notwithstanding their difference in matters religious as aforesaid , they giving proof of their peaceable and honest deportment towards the king and his government , and the people of these kingdomes . and therefore that due care may be had , as justly it ought to be by you , for the peace and prosperity and happiness of these kingdomes , and that the just liberties both civil and spiritual of all people therein , may be allowed and maintained in all the kings dominions , and that unity and peace may be fully established , and justice and righteousness only brought forth in the land , and all persecution , hatred , contention and rebellion may die and perish and never more appear ; and that all christian people ( though different in judgement and practises in matters of faith and worship ) may be protected to live a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty under this government , and that indignation and vengeance may he diverted from these lands , which seems to threaten because of the contrary , and that blessings and peace may come , and rest upon this people forever . therefore for these ends and causes , and in the name of the lord i do propound unto you , and lay before you on the behalf of all the divided people of these kingdoms , that free liberty of conscience in the exercise of faith , worship and religion to god-wards , may be allowed and maintained unto all , without any imposition , violence or persecution exercised about the same , on the persons , estates , or consciences of any in any relation of religion , the worship of god , church government and ministry ; but that all christian people may be left free in all these kingdomes , in the exercise of conscience without being restrained from , or compelled to any way of worship and practise of relig●on , upon any pains and penalties , and that every one may be admitted to worship god in that way as his spirit perswades the heart , and may be defended in such their profession of religion , while they make not use of their liberty to the detrement of any other mens persons or estates as aforesaid . and let it not seem strange to you , why i appear in this manner and matter , at such a season as this ; for your very happiness , prosperity and establishment , or the contrary , dependeth hereupon , even in allowing and maintaining liberty of conscience in the exercise of religion , or in limiting and forcing and persecuting about the same , and this may appear if ye justly consider these things following . 1. the lordship in and over conscience , and the exercise thereof in all matters of faith , and worship and duty to god-wards , is gods alone only and proper right and priviledge , and he hath reserved this power and authority in himself , and not committed the lordship over conscience , nor the exercise thereof , in the cases of faith and worship , to any upon earth , not to prescribe and impose principles and practises of faith and worship and religion , by force and violence on the persons and consciences of men , but this belongs only to god , even to work faith in the heart , and to convert to holiness , and to lead and teach people by his spirit in his worship , and to exercise their consciences in all his wayes ; for the apostles themselves said , they had not dominion over the faith of the saints , 2 cor. 1. 24. but the lord alone ▪ and king charles the first , said in his meditations , page 91. of that edition printed for r. royston ; i have often declared how little i desire my laws and scepter should intrench on gods soveraignity which is the only king of mens consciences , &c so that to be lord in conscience and exerciser thereof in all the matters of gods kingdome , is his only proper right , and to him alone it appertains . 2. and therefore consider if ye do not allow free liberty of conscience , and give unto god the lordship and exercise thereof in all matters of faith and worship to him-wards , but do impose by violence in forcing to , and restraining from such and such wayes of religion , then ye take dominion over mens faith , which ye ought not to do , and ye intrench on gods soveraignity , and usurps his authority in exercising lordship over the conscience , in and over which christ is only king as before recited , and ye ought not to take his right from him , nor to exercise that authority over mens faith and cons●iences which only appertains unto him , as his proper priviledge ; for in so doing how dangerous effects may it bring forth , even ye may easilie provoke the lord to wrath against you , and bring upon your selves sorrow and misery , if ye excise violence upon mens consciences in and concerning religious matters , contrary to the scriptures and the example of primitive christians who were persecuted for their conscience sake , but did never persecute nor punish any for that cause , nor ever used violence about their religion , as charles the i. in his meditations pag. 82. nothing ( said he ) violent nor injurious can be religious , &c. 3. consider , if ye allow not the free exercise of conscience in spiritual matters , but do take dominion over mens faith , and impose by violence in the cases of conscience about religion , and do not suffer the lord to enjoy his onely right to be king , in the matters of his own kingdom , then ye divert the end of just rule and government among men , and perverts the end of gods great love and favour shewed unto you in restoring of you to the place of authority and judgment ; for the end of just government upon earth by kings and rulers is to exercise justice , truth , and righteousnesse among men , and over the outward man , and to be a praise to all that do well , and walks uprightly , and to be a terrour to all transgressors and them that do evil in their outward man , and to keep the outward man in good order by just judgment in all cases between man and man ; this is only the extent of your authority over the outward man , and to your jurisdiction only this belongs , to judge in truth and righteousness , to make laws and execute them between man and man , to preserve mens persons and estates from the wrong one of another , but not at all to make laws and execute them between god and mens consciences in the cases of his spiritual kingdom , this power belongs to god , and he hath not committed it to you to exercise ; and therefore , let justice , equity and mercy be exercised by you among men , and over the outward man , and in all cases between man and man ; but meddle not in the cases of mens faith to god , and their consciences to him , but leave that unto him alone whose right it is , for it is dangerous , and will bring wofull effects if ye intrench on gods soveraignity , and if ye divert the proper end of just government , and of the love of god in restoring you into authority and power . 4. consider , if ye allow not free liberty of conscience in the profession and practice of spiritual things , but will compel by violence about religion , then this will inavoidably produce and bring forth cruel persecution in the kingdoms , imprisonment , banishment , and death , and all the evil effects of persecution will fill the nations ; for though never so forceable impositions be laid on the persons , estates , and consciences of men , for the cause of difference in judgment , and practises of religion , and to compel into conformity , yet it cannot be supposed that all will bow and conform to the denying of that way which they are perswaded in conscience to be right , and to the embracing of what they cannot in conscience believe is of god , but will rather suffer the cruelest death , then conform to any thing contrary to light and knowledge ; and if free liberty of conscience be denied , many such must needs be exposed to persecution , even to death , though they may be peaceable people , and profitable inhabitants of the kingdoms , and in the things between man and man , and in all matters temporal pertaining to the king , may be just , and righteous , and unreprovable , yet because of difference in judgment and opinion , exposed to be destroyed in person and estate ; and such effects will not be of honour nor safety to these nations if innocent and just men be destroyed , and their relations ruined , onely for their conscience and religion sake , by persecution . 5. consider , if ye do impose one way of worship by force , and persecute all that are contrary-minded , to prison and death , then how shall your names and memorial be left a reproach to generations after you , in dayes to come , who shall repute you cruel men and persecutors , and such as destroyed your people for difference in matters of religion , and without just cause , and thus will your names be a curse and not a blessing to your children and their children to all ages , if that ye make laws and execute them to the persecution and destruction of people for conscience sake , and for difference in religion ; for persecution was never of god , nor ever justified in succeeding ages , but persecutors alwaies were rendred tyrants , and cruell in the ages succeeding them ; for do not you condemn the papists as oppressors and cruel persecutors in queen maries daies , for their persecuting your fore-fathers ? and king iames said it was usually the condition of christians to be persecuted , but never to persecute , &c. in his apology for the oath of allegiance , pag. 4 , and indeed , they are no true christians that persecutes for matters of conscience , and difference in opinion , but the false christians that have a form of godliness but are without the power , and out of the doctrine of the scriptures , who saith , love your enemies , and render to no man evil for evil , but over come evil with good . 6. consider , if ye do impose upon the conscience , and persecute about religion , ye can never effect your end thereby , as to force all into a conformity and uniformity to your church and religion ; but though death , and banishment , and the loss of all be inflicted , yet such a thing cannot be effected , neither is it the way of christ to promote his church , and to convert the contrary-minded by such means as force and violence exercised on mens persons and estates ; as k. iames said in his speech in parliament , 1609. that it is a sure rule in divinity , that god never loves to plant his church with violence and bloud , and if ye do persecute to the heighth in the case of religion , ye will weaken your selves , and cause the love and good affection of people to die towards you , and the persecuted will grow , and their cause be made honourable , and many will be increased unto it , for it is usual in ages that the way and religion which hath been most persecuted hath most grown , and thus it must infallibly be at this day , and ye can never effect your end by persecution , nor promote your own church , nor destroy all the contrary-minded ; as a privy counsellor to k. iames the 5th . of scotland , advised in counsel about the year 1539. upon the occasion of diversities of opinions then in that kingdom , said he , it is an errour of state in a prince for an opinion of piety to condemn to death the adherers to new doctrines ; for the constancy and patience of those who voluntarily suffer all temporal miseries for matters of faith , stir up numbers who at first and before they had suffered were ignorant of their faith and doctrine , not onely to favour their cause , but to embrace their opinions , pity and commiseration opening the gates , and thus their faith is spread , and their number daily increaseth , &c. 7. consider , if that ye do not allow liberty of conscience but do impose and persecute as aforesaid , though some for your fear , and terrour , and force against their consciences should deny their principles , and conform to your church , such ye cause to sin ; for whatsoever is performed by force and not of faith is sin , as it is written , and such their sin will be laid to your charge ; and such who cannot deny their principles and conform , will be destroyed , and their death will be accounted against you in the day of the lord ; and therefore if ye do not allow liberty of conscience , many grievous evils will infallibly follow , both to your selves and your people and what advantage of honour will such be to god and your ; church , that are against their consciences and light forced into a conformity for fear and terrour of men ; it makes them manifold more the children of the devil , and time-servers , and hypocrites , and destroys their souls , and such can be no true members of the true church of christ , but are reprobates , and a dishonour to god and your church . 8. consider , if ye constrain and compel in matters of religion , and do not allow liberty of conscience , it is unreasonable and unequal , and down-right contrary to the holy and pure law of god , which saith , ye shall do unto all men , as ye would that men should do unto you , and thou shalt love thy neighbour as thy self , and this is the fulfilling of the law ; but to be imposed upon and persecuted for the cases of consciences , and for the matters of worship of god , your selves would not willing be against your light and knowledge , and then it is unequal and unjust , and contrary to the law of god , for ye to do the same to others , which your selves would not be done unto ; and do not you to this day cry out against the papists in queen maries daies , and at this day in other nations , and condemn them as tyrants and oppressors , for persecuting , killing , and destroying the protestants , for the matters of their conscience and difference in opinion and judgment ? and will you do the same at this day as they do to others , and follow their example of cruelty and persecution , and break the law of god , and walk contrary to it , in doing to others what you would not be done unto ? and seeing you condemn the late foregoing powers in these kingdoms for tyrants and usurpers , and oppressors , for prohibiting your way of worship , and commanding the contrary , and disanulling so much as they could your service book and ministry ; how can you justly do the like to others , as to force waies of religion upon them , and prohibit theirs and command the contrary ? if you do it , ye condemn your selves by judging of others in the like case . 9. consider , if ye do not allow liberty of conscience , but impose church government and religion by paines and penalties , then ye will fill the land with hypocrites , and force people into time-serving obedience , and into formal waies of worship , some against their consciences , and some in the ignorance thereof , which is great abomination unto the lord , and such will neither be true and faithful in church nor state , but will seek advantages against you ( if they are forced by violence in the cases of their consciences ) and it will beget great contentions and hatred in the minds of men , and divide them into heart-burnings one against another , and against you and your government ; for if men become hypocrites for your fear and terror , and deny their professed principles and conform , they will be false-hearted , and envious , and malicious , and attempt any thing to be freed from bondage and impositions of conscience , and their hearts will be disengaged in love and affection to you-wards ; and this will be infallibly the effect of persecution for conscience sake , as king charles the i. saith in his meditat. a charitable connivance and christian toleration often issi pates their strength whom rougher opposition fortifies , and puts the dispised and oppressed party into such combinations , as may most enable them to get a full revenge on those they count their persecutors , &c. 10. consider , if ye force worship , and religion , and cause men to conform against their judgements , how dangerous is this to destroy mens souls , and to lead them even to destruction ; for seeing ye affirm not the infalibility of your worship and religion , and yet will impose them , and so engage mens souls in dependancy for salvation upon things and waies uncertain , and which god gives not the faith to believe in ; i say how dangerous is this to ruin souls ; for in no way can the soul be secure but in the faith which god works in the heart , in the obedience of infallible truth ; so ye run mens souls upon a rock , and it is unreasonable as before mentioned , that men should be forced into the profession and practice of uncertain and fallible religion , and that they should be forced by you into that which may be evil , for which not you altogether , but themselves must bear the punishment in the day of the lord ; and except ye could affirm and prove the infalibility of your church ( which is impossible ) there is no equity nor right reason for it , that you should impose upon others any more then others should impose upon you ; for as king charles the i. said in his medit. he desired not any should be further subject unto him , then he and all of them might be subject unto god , &c. 11. consider , if ye alow not liberty of conscience , but persecute about the same , ye walk in the way and after the example of some of the heathen rulers , and of the false christians , and shews that ye allow of the cruel persecutions by the church of rome , and ye follow their example , who persecutes unto death such as they call hereticks , and if ye do persecute for matters of conscience , then ye allow the very deeds of the heathens , who persecuted the christians for their religion sake , and ye justifie the papists in persecuting the protestants ; and ye plainly demonstrate unto all the world by your works and fruits , that ye are of antichrist , if ye impose on mens consciences by force in the matters of religion , and persecute good conscience about the same ; for it was the antichrist and the beast , that first forced all to worship , and violently engaged all into a conformity , and killed and persecuted all that would not worship according to the image , rev. 13. as ye may read . and it was not christs way , nor the practice of any his primitive churches to impose and force on the persons and consciences of men concerning their church and religion , to cause all into a conformity thereunto , and destroy and persecute all that would not ; this was not the way of christ and his apostles in their daies , but they left religion free , and said , they were not lords over mens faith , nor lords over gods heritage , neither did impose upon any in doubtful cases of conscience , much lesse compel against mens consciences ; for the apostle left the practice of doubtful things , as every one was perswaded in his own mind , to do or not to do , without imposing by force or directions of persecution about the same ; therefore if ye do not allow free liberty of conscience , ye are out of the doctrine and example of christ and his apostles , and follows the way and example of antichrist , heathen rulers , and cruel papists , to your great dishonour . 12. consider , if ye allow not liberty of conscience in the exercise of religion , but impose and persecute about the same ; it must inavoidable tend to destroy and expel trading , husbandry , and merchandize in these kingdomes , for a great part of trading and husbandry , depends upon such kind of persons , whose principles are for toleration in religion , and hates persecution and violence in that case , this ye will find true on examination ; and if liberty of conscience be not alowed , such will 〈◊〉 exposed to great afflictions , some to imprisonment , and some to poverty , and some to fly into other countries , to the destruction of their callings and trading , and the hands & industriousnes of such people will be weakned in these kingdomes , if they cannot enjoy their just liberties in temporal and spiritual cases , and the effects thereof will work wofully in this very respect , even to disenable both the hearts and hands of husbandmen and trades , and expose these nations to want and poverty , and to enrich their enemies . 13. consider , if liberty of conscience be denied , and persecution be introduced about the same ; all these and many more woful consequencies and effects wil follow infallably to the ruin of these kingdoms , even wars , and bloodsheds , and discontents , and murmurings , and all evil things will be the product of the aforesaid cause , ( viz. ) of denying liberty of conscience in religious matters , for in a word it will tend to and may effect the overthrow of you , and ruin your government and authority ; for the great and mighty god of heaven and earth will be provoked against you , and his wrath will go out like a devouring flame upon you , if that ye limit the holy one , and will not suffer him to exercise his proper right , in being king in mens consciences , to exercise them in all the waies of his worship , and matters of his kingdom , but do oppresse , impose and persecute about the same ; this i say will infallibly work the kingdoms ruin , and expose you and your government to the indignation of the holy lord god , who is tender of his honour , and will not give it to another , and he loveth and affecteth the cause of such , whose consciences are truly tender towards him , and though ye persecute such and seek to destroy them , and for a time exercise great afflictions and oppressions upon them , for the matters of their conscience , yet the god of heaven will appear for such in his season , and deliver them , and avenge their persecutors ; and therefore all ye rulers consider , and lay these things to heart , least ye provoke the lord against you , by destroying the people whom he regards , and that not for evil doing , but for the cases of conscience , and because they cannot relinquish their profession and principles of their religion , and bow and conform in things against their light and knowledge . 14. consider , if ye allow not liberty of conscience , what exceeding danger ye run your selves into , even to dest roy just men and righteous , as heriticks and erroneous , and may promote hereticks as church-members , both which are great abominations in the sight of god , and this danger ye bring upon your selves , for ye are not infallible judges , who are hereticks , and who are not ; and therefore may easily proceed in that way to punish such as hereticks that are not truly so , and except ye could affirm and prove your possession of the infallible spirit , ye can no way proceed justly and reasonably to deny liberty of conscience in the exercise of religion , nor punish and persecute any in that case ; but if ye do , ye do it in ignorance , and knows not what ye do , and may as soon destroy true christians and saints , as hereticks , for want of infallible judgment to discern who are , and who are not ; and this is a danger ye ought to avoid by allowing the free exercise of conscience , as the lord perswades every mans heart . 15. and lastly also consider what a reproach you are under , if such whom ye call hereticks , ( and yet doth not infallibly know that they are such ) be punished , and persecuted , and destroyed for their religion sake , who are just and upright men , in their conversing between man and man , and unreprovable in their dealings among men ; ( whether they erre in judgment in spiritual knowledge , or not erre ) and such as are drunkards and prophane persons go at liberty , in their stage-playing and gaming , and the like , even tolerated , and unpunished , and not prohibited , whom all do know & can distinguish who such are when they appear , this will render your government to evil reputation , both in this present time and in ages to come ; and therefore consider it , if drunkards , gamesters , and prophane persons have more toleration and liberty in their wayes of open vanity , then sober temperate persons in the exercise of their consciences in religion , which if any such do erre in principle ( which is not infallibly known to you ) it is onely to their own hurt in the sight of god , and he onely and not you ought to punish them in that case ; but prophane persons as afore-mentioned are easily judged by all to be such , and their errour in practise is hurtful to the whole kingdoms and pertains to you to punish ; as dr. taylor now a bishop in ireland hath said , his words in this case are worth observing , why are we so zealous , saith he , against those we call hereticks , and yet great friends with drunkards , and swearers , and fornicators , and intemperate and idle persons ; i am certain a drunkard is as contrary to god , and lives as contrary to the laws of christianity as a heretick , and i am also sure that i know what drunkennesse is , but i am not sure that such an opinion is heresie , &c. and these things i do in all meeknesse and due respect both to your places and persons , present to your serious considerations , that ye may prevent these evil effects that are so destructive unto you and these kingdoms , which absolutely must follow , upon not allowing free liberty of conscience in the exercise of religion ; and if any shall object , that to tolerate and allow liberty of conscience in religion is inconsistent with the safety and peace of the king and these kingdoms ; i shall be desirous to hear from wise men what such objections are , stated by them , and wherein they say it is not congruous with the happinesse and peace of these nations , to grant and allow the premises ; and on such occasion , i should make clearly to appear the contrary , and that it is only consistant with the peace and prosperity of these kingdoms ( considering them in their present estate ) to grant and allow free liberty of conscience as aforesaid , in the exercise of religion unto all christian people . o! remember ye mighty men of the kingdom , that the great and mighty god takes notice of all your doings , and accordingly will he reward you in his dreadful day , which is near to come upon all the world ; and wo unto the wicked in that day . o! remember that ye your selves not long since were a suffering people , and now you are raised up again ; and therefore be not too zealous to afflict others , especially for the cases of their consciences , in reference to their faith and perswasions about religion ; but be gentle , meek , and long-suffering towards all , for that is the way to make peace and preserve it with all men , that will gain the affections of the contrary minded ; but force and rigour will exasperate the more , and never truly reconcile differences among men ; and make no laws contrary or different to the pure law of god , but let pure conscience go free without force or restraint in the exercises of religion , and let god have his prerogative , and lordship , in the exercise of conscience ; but let your authority be extended over the outward man , in the matters between man and man , to preserve peace and right in all outward relation ; and be wise and learned ye rulers of the earth , and kisse the son least he be angry and ye perish , and if his wrath be kindled but a little , blessed are they that trust in him . this is your time and day , happy are ye , if it be given to you to do the work that god requires of you only . the 26 th . of the third month , 1661. the end . the cause of stumbling removed from all that will receive the truth; and from before the eyes of the wise men of london: in a treatise shewing the difference between the spirit of a man which is the candle of the lord, and the light which hath enlightned every man that cometh into the world. also shewing ... there is not diversity of lights and spirits, by which they are ministred ... herein also is a false hosanna, and a false testimony reproved ... the name of him which hath so long travell'd to bring forth wind and confusion, is one known in the city of london by the name of iohn iackson ... that so ... understanding and knowledge of the truth may be increased, in those that follow on to know the lord. given forth from the lords servant, richard hubberthorne. hubberthorn, richard, 1628-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a86663 of text r202544 in the english short title catalog (thomason e929_5). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 113 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 18 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a86663 wing h3222 thomason e929_5 estc r202544 99862789 99862789 114965 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a86663) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 114965) images scanned from microfilm: (thomason tracts ; 139:e929[5]) the cause of stumbling removed from all that will receive the truth; and from before the eyes of the wise men of london: in a treatise shewing the difference between the spirit of a man which is the candle of the lord, and the light which hath enlightned every man that cometh into the world. also shewing ... there is not diversity of lights and spirits, by which they are ministred ... herein also is a false hosanna, and a false testimony reproved ... the name of him which hath so long travell'd to bring forth wind and confusion, is one known in the city of london by the name of iohn iackson ... that so ... understanding and knowledge of the truth may be increased, in those that follow on to know the lord. given forth from the lords servant, richard hubberthorne. hubberthorn, richard, 1628-1662. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. [6], 29, [1] p. printed for thomas simmons at the bull and mouth neer aldersgate, london : 1657. "to the reader" signed: e.b., i.e. edward burrough. annotation on thomason copy: "nou: 25". reproduction of the original in the british library. eng jackson, john, fl. 1651-1657 -early works to 1800. inner light -early works to 1800. a86663 r202544 (thomason e929_5). civilwar no the cause of stumbling removed from all that will receive the truth; and from before the eyes of the wise men of london:: in a treatise she hubberthorn, richard 1657 22356 161 0 0 0 0 0 72 d the rate of 72 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the d category of texts with between 35 and 100 defects per 10,000 words. 2007-05 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2007-06 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2008-05 john latta sampled and proofread 2008-05 john latta text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-09 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion the cause of stumbling removed from all that will receive the truth ; and from before the eyes of the wise men of london : in a treatise shewing the difference between the spirit of a man which is the candle of the lord , and the light which hath enlightned every man that cometh into the world . also shewing , that though there be diversity of administrations , yet there is not diversity of lights and spirits , by which they are ministred : and shewing by clear testimony what the more sure word of prophesie is , which the apostle peter exhorts the people to take heed unto , untill the day did dawne , and the day-star arise in their hearts . herein also is a false hosanna , and a false testimony reproved ; and a false witness is rejected , and an untimely birth cast out , though for the time of travel it might have been a monster , being above two yeers ; but in the end is brought forth for destruction ; the name of him which hath so long travell'd to bring forth wind and confusion , is one known in the city of london by the name of iohn iackson ; being by the truth of this following made manifest : that so by every motion of the spirit of truth , and every testimony given from it , understanding and knowledge of the truth may be increased , in those that follow on to know the lord . given forth from the lords servant , richard hubberthorne . for this end was i born , and for this end came i into the world , to bear witness unto the truth , joh. 18. 37. every one that is of the truth heareth my voyce . spoylers shall come up out of the north , which shall spoil babylon , jer. 51. 48. london , printed for thomas simmons at the bull and mouth neer aldersgate , 1657. the light is broken forth as the morning , and the health of the nations is in it , and is springing forth speedily , and the righteousness of the righteous seed is going forth before them , and the glory of the lord is revealed to his seed , which now calleth , and the lord doth answer , here am i ; and the lord hath made , and is making his seed as a watered garden , and like a spring of water , whose waters fail not ; and is raising up the foundations of many generations , that people may come to build again upon that ▪ foundation which they have been driven from , especially by their pastors : for saith the lord , many pastors have destroyed my vinyard , they have trodden my portion under foot , and made my pleasant portion a desolate wildernesse , and have made gods heritage as a speckled bird , the birds round about are against her , and all the beasts of the field come to devour , jer. 12. 9 , 10. and now is the lord come forth against these devourers , even as a lyon bereaved of her young ones : for the lord will not suffer the spoyle of his heritage no longer , but will dresse his vinyard that it may bring forth fruit unto him : and now is the lord casting out the blind vatchmen , and the foolish prophets which have followed their own spirit , and have seen nothing , and all such is the lord casting out , and his everlasting fire is he kindling amongst them : and now i hear a cry of torment going through the nation : can any kindle a fire among serpents , and they not be offended and shut their stings ? can any touch the vipers but they will smell with venom ? and when scorpions are trodden upon , will they not shew forth their strength ? can that nature suffer death patiently ? nay patience proceedeth from that seed which slayeth the enmity , and destroyeth the man of sin ; and therefor● as we have one seed to witnesse for , so there is one to witnesse against ; and as it is the work of the spirit of god to approve the things that are of god , so it is iis work also to reprove those things which is contrary to sound doctrine , to the end that every one may know as well what to reject and deny as error , as what to own for truth and sound doctrine ; therefore of necessity must every one be turned to the light which christ hath enlightned them withall , that they may discern what they are to approve , and what they are to reprove ; and that judgement is true which stands in the light , and in the measure of the spirit of truth . to the reader men of low degree are vanity , and men of high degree are a lye ; and the heart of man is desperately wicked and deceitful above all things . hear this ye wise men and foolish ; the more ye strive against the lord , the more is your wound made incurable ; and the higher you rise in envy , alwaies the deeper is your fall in confusion . and now christian reader , whose heart god hath opened to see and behold the things that be eternal , and can truly discern of different causes , and between the good and the evil , and between the light and the darknesse . this book is sent forth in the pursute , and after a book called , hosanna to the son of david , &c. by a namelesse author , whose work indeed was hardly worthy of an honest mans name , though very subtilly & craftily he prosecutes his purpose , & traverses his steps ful cunningly , as this worlds wisdom could guide him , in which wisdom he cannot know or receive the things of god ; & therefore it cannot be expected that the things of god should be received from that wisdom ; and though he hath confounded in his words his description of the light of christ , sometimes speaking well of it , and sometimes otherwise , and not knowing hardly whereof he hath affirmed ; his words are so counfounded and mixed in his corrupt reason , in giving forth his knowledge of the things of god , which he seems to be ignorant of , but onely as he hath the knowledge of them from the letter , by which no man can come to the knowledge of god , nor of the things of his kingdom without the revelation of the spirit of jesus , and the opperation of the same spirit : but friends , the testimony of god stands sure for ever , though men would confound it in their own reason : and this is the testimony , that christ lighteth every man that cometh into the world , which light is sufficient to lead every man to god , or else to condemn every man from god ; and this testimony is true , notwithstanding all the opposition against it ; and it shall abide sure for ever , though men strive never so much in the gain-saying of it : and this is the testimony which we have born and shall bear to the end , and who believes it , and who believes it not , this is the hand of the lord according to his pleasure , and to him we leave it , and so we do , and must clear our consciences from time to time , while the lord gives us a being : and herein we are a good savour to god , and our reward is with him , whether israel be gathered or no , isa. 49. and also this namelesse author , which is supposed to be one iohn iackson , known in this city , hath taken some seeming occasion against us by searching our books , and ( as he saith ) hath found some contradictions in them , which may appeare to be so to his dark mind ; yet in the sight of the spirit of the lord that is truth which he sees to be no other then error : however , this is sent forth for the true information of peoples minds , that they may know that truth is bold and confident , and that it is armor which defendeth from all enemies , and giveth strength to answer the craftinesse of men . and this same iohn iackson hath shewed himself now to be one with the common priests of the world , for as they have done , so hath he ; opposed the way and people of god , and with the very same arguments , shewing that he is of the very same spirit with them , his discourse and arguments being of the same nature as theirs are ; yea , he hath shewed himself to be of the very same spirit with all the open prophane wretches which doth revile , and scorn , and abuse , in every town and countrey the lords people ; and as they do so , so hath he written with subtil arguments , to the very same end as they reproach and scorn , ( to wit ) in a derision , and despising the way and servants of the lord ; so that his self-separation is now seen what it is , to be a very cheat and hypocrisie , who while he professeth a separation from the world , doth practice the very same wickednesse , and is not changed from them in nature , though he be in appearance : but what a poor work hath he brought forth in two years time ? which he saith his work hath been as embres raked up in ashes , yet a work that gains no praise of god , nor very little of the praise of any man : it seems he hath hatched mischief upon his bed , and brought it forth in the morning : who would have thought but a wise man in that time would have brought forth a larger peece , and more to purpose ▪ i am sure he might have made better use of his time in another exercise , then to have writ against the servants of the lord : it had been more honest for him to have set his pen to paper , and studyed to have given his testimony against the pride , and drunkennesse , and oppression , and whoredoms , and wickednesse in this great city . i say , it had been more honest , and liker a saint , to have sought the reforming of prophanenesse and wickednesse that greatly abounds in this city , then to have studyed two years to bring forth his invented stuffe against a harmlesse and innocent people , which he , nor any , can justly charge with evil , but as he hath digged deep by his imaginations , in recollecting a seeming-contradiction out of our writings , which is no contradiction , no more then christs words are , who saith , except ye eat my flesh , and drink my blood , ye have no life in you ; and yet in the same discourse saith , the flesh profits nothing : and for isaiah to go with the word of the lord to hezekiah , to tell him he should dye and not live ; yet in the same instant of time , told him he should live and not dye : would not iohn iackson have counted these contradictions ? but what he hath done in this , in sending forth a book against the quakers , he hath been so far from beating down sin , drunkards , and rude scorners , and abusive men that he hath fully strengthened their hands , and the wickedst people in this nation are very glad of his work : he hath given them matter to oppose truth withall ; but his reward and theirs shall be both with one hand , and he shall drink his portion in the same lake with such whose : hands he hath strengthened ; and let him know , and themall , god hath established us upon a sure mountain , which the gates of hell and death cannot prevail against . so his work i● counted of us , and cast by as our spoyled prey of babylons treasure , only this is sent abroad after it , in the pursute of it , which is not done with multitudes of words of mans wisdom , but in the plain nakednesse of innocent truth , which is more strength then all his arguments of guile , whereby he would deceive the people , but he can deceive none but such as are deceived already ; for all that are in the light , and in the truth , sees beyond all that he can say , and are established where his word ; can never reach them , to take away their peace , or disquiet them ; for as i said , we are established upon a sure foundation , and are tryed and proved , and cannot be blown away with any windy doctrines of men , which begets into st●ffe , and not into true sincerity of heart ; but wo unto that man that works offence , and doth cast stumbling-blocks in the way of the simple : and though the lords people be a suffering people , yet wo unto them that causeth them to suffer : and though he and some others in their spirits were elevated , thinking thereby to trample upon the innocent by that occasion happening concerning i. n. which was not suffered of the lord to be as an occasion to destroy his people , but as an occasion to try them , and to prove them , and thereby are they tryed and proved , and the more setled rather then confounded ; and iohn iackson , and such like , may glory in such things for a moment because the appearance of it seems evil , yet the lord will make their glorying void , for the lord hath wayes enough to preserve his people , and this we have found in many needful times ; and as concerning this thing which was looked upon as a breach among us by many , yet it 's over , and truth stands a top of it , & the beauty of truth appears through it all , and truth is more lovely when it is proved and purged : what if the lord suffer his to be lead and tempted for a season , let not the wicked boast of this ; for though the righteous fall , he shall rise again ; but the wicked fall into mischief : but yet we learn something by this , what a great use the devil hath made hereof , and how many books and lying scribbles hath been sent forth about it concerning us , which are all counted by us no better then the worst corrupted treasure that ever grew in babylon ; and the best of it is but baubles to please vain minds , for men of sound understandings can take no pleasure therein . and we see how by all means the devil and his people seeks occasion against the wayes and people of god , & how glad are the wicked when they get an occasion against the lords people ? and how do they glory in it , and boast in it for a time , thinking that their hands are strengthened in a greater boldnesse to do mischief ? and iohn iackson is one of those that takes pleasure in these things , and he hath managed his businesse with a great deal of craft , but there is none that will praise him for it , except such whose wicked hands he strengthens , & such as he must have stumblings after the way of the lord hath been so fully manifested , and they receive it not , and they must fall and be broken . and seeing that the wicked doth take occasion , and seeks occasion against the innocent , this will make many more watchful , and more circumspect , and more to walk in gods wisdom , and to deny their own ways , least offences come by them : and let him put off his armor , and lay down his weapon , and i wish he may spend the next two years to come , better then he hath done these last ; and that the little fire in the embres may kindle , to the burning of his corruptions , rather then into a blind zeal against the innocent people ; and what in this book is written , is not to contend or strive for mastery , but to clear the truth , and to remove all cause of stumblings from before the face of all the upright in heart . a friend to all people e. b. london , the third day of the nineth month , 1657. the cause of stumbling removed , from all that will receive the truth , and from before the eyes of the wise men of london . many untimely births in ages past and present hath been brought forth , and the work of such hath alwayes been to destroy the heir , the seed which the lord hath blessed , that so the inheritance might be theirs , & so would thrust themselves into the kingdome ; but they know while the seed of the promise is alive , it keeps them out , and will not let them meddle with those things which they are not born unto : for they are sons of bondage , and children of fals-hood , and must not be heirs with the son of the free , &c. david out of whose root the righteous seed did arise , the bright and morning star , he saw that seed in his dayes and was aware of them , and gave his testimony concerning them , saying , in heart ye work wickednesse , you weigh the violency of your hands in the earth , the wicked are estranged from the wombe , they go astray as soon as they be born , speaking lyes ; their poyson is like the poyson of a serpent , they are like the deafe adder that stoppeth her eare , charming never so wisely : break their teeth o god in their mouth , break out the teeth of the yong lyons , o lord let them melt away as waters , that run continualy , when he bendeth his bow to shoot his arrows ; l●t them be as cut in peices , as a snaile which melteth ; let every one of them pass away like the untimely birth of a woman , that they may not see the sun , &c. psalm . 58. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. and again he saith , behold he travelleth with iniquity , and hath conceived mischief and brought forth false-hood , psalm . 7. 14. and so there was a traveling and labouring before they could get their iniquity brought forth ; as we have true declarations concerning the ages past , how many have travelled and brought forth wind and confusion ; so likewise in this age by experience can we give testimony of the like births which hath been brought forth to the slaughter amongst babylons children , and here is one of the same birth born and brought forth in this city of london , to which i shall speak some thing at present , although he conceale his name , yet the seed you shall know by its fruits ; it is one that would be reckoned amongst those children that in the temple cried hosanna to the son of david mat. 12. 15. but the seed which david called lord is risen , and hath rebuked the false voice , for it is not every one that cryeth lord , lord , nor every one that cryeth hosanna , that enters into the kingdome , but such as heareth the word of god and doth it . now the testimony which this author gives to that which after a long travel is come forth , is this , that it hath been in his brest two years and upwards , while it at length is come forth as an untimely birth , or as that which is born out of due time , labouring under the burden of being both unnecessary and unseasonable . such a testimony as this seems to beget a wonder in the airy spirits of men , as if a monster were to be seen ( what two years travel , and yet an untimely birth ! ) & many such false cries is in this city , which enters into the sensuall part of men , and begets into the affections ; but there is a seed risen which hath received from the father the spirit of judgement , and understanding , and it doth not owne things according to the report , nor judge of things according to their names in outward appearance , but hath a measuring line given unto it , and a true ballance whereby voices , ways , worships , and testimonyes is tried before they be approved , and therewith shall this spirit be tried , and voice which is come forth crying , hosanna to the son of david , or a testimony to the lords christ ; which being truly weighted & searched , may prove a testimony against the lords christ , which hath enlightned every man that cometh into the world , in setting up mans spirit to be the light , instead of the lords christ : but first let us consider , the burden under which this man hath laboured , which is as he saith , that which is both unnecessary and unseasonable ; first unnecessary , because the same hath been before by better hands ; so it is not to be admired as a monster , because it hath already been , and effected nothing : secondly unseasonable , because those are already resolved ; that jesus christ is the true light which hath enlightned every man that cometh into the world , which he would resolve , that the spirit in every man is that light , and so according to this , every man must follow his own spirit , instead of following the light which christ hath enlightned him withall : now this burden thus considered , which is both unnecessary & unseasonable , haveing been in his brest above two years ; all that have received the spirit of judgement , and knows the workings of the mysterie of iniquity , and can truly read the state of those which are filled with unrighteousnesse , knows that this birth is cursed before ever it came forth , and it had been better that it had never been born , nor brought forth into the world ; for it will be to the great agravation of his sorrow and misery which did conceive it , and so long travel in it , & at last brought it forth ; but among the untimely births shall we reckon it , which never saw the ●un , nor never received blessing from the father , and happy shall he be that rewardeth thee as thou hast rewarded us ; and happy shall he be that takes and dasheth thy untimely birth against the stones , psalm . 137. 8. 9. against this birth hath the lord ●●reched forth his everlasting arme to dash in peices , and this is not the first of babylons children which in this age , and in this city hath been brought forth to the spoile , nor the first which this man hath brought forth , for he hath brought forth another without a name , which is both as unnecessary and as unseasonable as this : and so from experience he may say , that it is both unnecessary and unseasonable either to conceive , or bring forth any such thing against the seed which the lord hath blessed ; for there was never any as yet which did strive against the lord , or his annoynted ones which did prosper ; neither shall to the ends of the earth . so the burden of this man is searched , & judged , and found not to be the burthen of the word of the lord , though he thought it to be so , when in him he felt the fire of enmity , boyling and bubling up within him , as in his epistle ; but we have found it to be such a burthen as the false ▪ prophets in jerusalem did see for the people , which was false burthens , and causes of banishment , lam. 2. 14. but if the fire of the lord had been kindled in him , it would have consumed this birth in the womb , before ever it had been brought forth . but the hour is comeing and now is , in which the lord is fulfilling his promise according to the scriptures , which saith , that he will make jerusalem a burthensome stone for all people , all that burthen themselves with it shall be cut in peices , though all the people upon the earth be gathered together against it , zac. 12. 3. and as this was spoken , so it is fulfilled , and fulfilling , that the testimony of god may be sealed up among his children : for now is the light risen with which the lord christ is gathering into the new jerusalem , the city of the living god , and now hath many burthened themselves with it : and so burthened , that they cannot tel how to unburthen themselves of it : but to ease themselves of that burthen which is ready to presse them down , they break forth into revileing termes , and un●avory speeches , and false assertions against the light , and those that walk in it , and will deny both the light and children of light to be spiritual : some calling it natural light , some calling it natural conscience , some created light , some the light of reason and understanding ; some old creation light , some a dim light , some the spirit of man , and so burthen themselves with it : & when they have both spoken and printed such things to ease them of their burthen , their burthen grows again ; and so they do not cease to vex and grieve the holy spirit of god from day to day , and when they have burthened themselves with the enmity against the light , and the works of righteousnesse , proceeding forth from it to the father , then they cry the burthen of the lord ▪ the fire of the lord within them : but saith the lord to such , i will destroy that man and his house , and the burthen of the lord shall ye mention no more , for every mans word shall be his burthen : for ye have perverted the words of the living god , of the lord of hosts our god , ier. 23. 36. theref●re is the measureing line gone forth to measure the false burthens , whereby they pervert the words of the living god , with their own words and imaginations ; and unto those which ever were reproachers of the way and people of god , the lord saith i will bring an everlasting reproach upon you , and a perpetual shame which shall not be forgotten ▪ ier. 13. 40. so this is written that no man should any more burthen themselves with the burthensome stone , wereby they will be broken to peices if they fall upon it : but that every one may come to it , that with it they may see their false burthens , and the sin which doth so easiely beset them , and may cease grieving of the spirit of the lord , while his spirit striveth with them ; & may come to know every man his own word which will become his burthen , when it returns again unto him : but the word of the lord goeth forth & returns not empty , neither doth it burthen him which it goes forth from , when it returns again unto him : although the true burthen of the word of the lord be known in many before it go forth from them . therefore then seeing that it is an untimely birth , and not that which is born of the sprit which is come forth from him to whom i now am to speak . now least others being in the same blindnesse with him , think as he doth , that it is a true voice , or hosana to the son of david , or a true testimony to the lords christ , i shall weigh his testimony , seeing that the true voice is gone forth both in the dayes of his flesh , and since , in which dayes he was truly declared to be the light of the world , and the true light which lightneth every one that cometh into the world , ioh. 1. 9. ioh. 8. now seeing that this author hath set up another thing to be the light which hath enlightned every man , then christ , viz. the spirit of man ; i shall try this testimony according to the scriptures , whether it be a testimony of the lords christ , or a testimony against him , in these things following , which are the heads of his doctrine conc●rning the light . concerning the light , what it is . it is the spirit of every man which is in him , and without which he cannot ●e a man , and is the candle of the lord , prov. 20. 27. this spirit of a man is the reason of a man , or the vnderstanding of a man : what this light doth , it gives him to know his creator , and the end of his creation , ( viz. ) who made him , and why he was made , also how he should answer the end of him that made him ; and that god set up this light in man to see by , both whom he is to serve , and how he is to serve him , together with the reason thereof , because god made him . and with this light god hath s●● up a law , which law is called light , prov. 6. 23. whereby the will and mind of his creator is made known unto him , and he sufficiently qualified to see it ▪ understand it , &c. p. 7. it searcheth the inward parts of the belly : at first it moved upward , and it could look god in the face and serve him : but now since the fall the thief is got into this candle , and hath dim'd the light ; and covered the aspiring ascendan● quality , and now it burn● downward , and discovers the things beneath , pag. 6. that it is all eye ; it sees all that is done , but doth nothing , it neither likes , nor dislikes ; approves , nor disproves , but as it is in conjunction with a law , pag. 10. that it is the property of light to make manifest , eph. 5. 13. pag. 29. that it is not in the power of the light , as it is in every man , so much as to call any thing that is done either good , or ●vil , pag. 32. that the light did drive adam from the voice and presence of god , so far is the light from leading up to god , that i● drives ●●e soul from god , and keeps him in the fall , pag. 53. that it doth not lead into all truth such as love it , and obey it , pag. 54. not doth it reveal all truth to them that love it , and obey it : and that neither the light , nor the law doth convince of the sinne of unbelief . that the lamp and the light are convertable terms ; thy word is as a lamp , psal. 119. 105. and that the light and the law is one , pag. 30. so by this , the light , which is the spirit of man , or mans reason ; and the law , & the word which of that which is called a testimony of the lords christ , we shall try it with the former testimony of the lords christ , as it is written in the scriptures , which was given forth from those which were true witnesses . first , as in answer to these things , there is not one testimony in the scriptures , neither from prophet nor apostle , that ever said the spirit of man , or mans reason or understanding was the light which every one that cometh into the world is enlightned withall : but the testimony of truth concerning those which followed their own spirits , is this , the lord sent his prophet ezekiel to cry wo unto the fooli●h prophets that followed their own spirits , and had seen nothing , ezek. 13. 3. now they were not without the spirit of a man , for then they could not be a man , as he saith : now if they had the spirit of man , and reason , and if this was all eye , how was it that they saw nothing , when he saith , it sees all things ? so it is not a true testimony of the light , nor of the lords christ : but the spirit of man is the candle of the lord , and the lord having lighted it , then it searcheth the inward parts of the belly : and david , who knew what the spirit of man was , and what a candle was without light , and what it was when it was lighted , he said , for thou wilt light my candle , the lord my god will enlighten my darknesse , psal. 1● . 28. so if the spirit of man be the candle of the lord , then whether doth not christ enlighten every man which cometh into the world ? and whether is not that light christ , seeing the spirit is but the candle , and that it must be lighted ? another testimony of his is this , that it is the property of light to make manifest , eph. 5. 13. but all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light , for whatsoever doth make manifest is light , pag. 29. and again in pag. 3● . saith , that it is not in the power of the light , as it is in every man , so much as ●o call any thing which is done either good or ●vil . answ. whether of these two contraries must men believe , whether the light is able to make manifest whatsoever is reprovable ; or , that there is no● power in i● to call any thing good or evil ? but by this all men may see that this is not a true testimony to the lords christ , nor to his light , never was there any such doctrine preached by any that cryed hosana to the son of david , no● that did give testimony to the lords christ , that there is not power in the light to call any shing done good or evil . now let all who have received the measuring-line , and the equal ballance , weigh and consider , seeing the scripture saith , whatsoever things is reprovable is made manifest by ●●e light : is evil deeds reprovable then ? they are ●ade manifest , then you see them to be evil deeds , lying to be an evil deed , swearing to be an evil deed , drunkennesse to be an evil deed , covetousnesse to be an evil deed , pride to be an evil deed , whoredom to be an evil deed , false accusing to be an evil deed , gain-saying the truth to be an evil deed , anger and wrath to be evil deeds , and these things are reprovable , and as the light doth make them manifest , so it reproves them , and such are convinced of sin because they believe not in christ , so that unbelief is reprovable , and is made manifest by the light . and whereas some say that the light doth not reprove for the s●n of unbelief , that is false , for unbelief is reprovable , and whatsoever things are r●proveable is made manifest by the light ▪ but he that doth evil hateth the light , and will not bring his deeds to the light , lest the light should reprove him , ioh. 3. 20. and iesus said unto certain greeks and people which stood by him , which objected against his words , which was no saints nor believers , while y●● have the light , believe in the light , that ye may be the children of light , ioh. 12. 36. now he did not bid them believe in that which could not reprove unbelief ▪ i am come a light into the world , that whosoever believeth in me should not abide in darknesse . and iesus cryed , and said , he that believeth on me , believeth on him that sent me . also ioh. 12. 44 , 46. this light was not mans reason nor understanding , neither was it mans spirit that was the true light which lighteneth every one that cometh into the world , ioh. 1. 9. again , another false testimony concerning the light , is this , that the light did drive adam from the voice and presence of god ; and so far is the light from leading up to god , that it drives the soul from god ▪ and keeps him in the fall , pag. 53. answ. this doctrine is to turn the truth of god into a lye , and to call light darknesse , and darknesse light , for there is no such testimony in the scriptures that the light did drive adam from the voice and presence of god ; but adam saith , i was afraid because i was naked , and i hid my self : it was because he had disobeyed gods voyce , not because he was enlightned ; for the scripture saith , it is your sins that hath s●parated you from god , it doth not say that it is the light which hath separated you from god , or driven you from him ; this may well be called a damnable doctrine , or doctrine of devils : hath god sent his son ● light into the world to drive the souls from god , and keep them in the fall . now let all consider and judge that ever knew the light , whether it be darknesse , or it be light which drives the soul from god , and keeps it in the fall . now this doctrine being compared with the scriptures , is utterly false ; and there is few that professe godlinesse in this nation that can bear it , or approve of it ; and for such as account themselves the highest profession , and above forms , under the name of seekers , to publish such a thing in print , here it appears that the best of men is but as a briar , and the most upright is sharper then a thorn-hedge ; for the day of thy watch-men , and thy visitation cometh , now shall be their perplexity , mi● . 7 4. now here is a day for tryal , that they which can may try the spirits and doctrines whether they be of god . now i shall lay it to that of god in all , is it not the work of the devil to drive the soul from god , and to keep people in the fall ? if so , then it is not the work of the light which lighteneth every man that cometh into the world , is not this to call light darkness , to say that the light is so far from leading up to god , that it drives the soul from god , and keeps him in the fall : what is that which leads man out of the fall , if the light keep man in it ? as this is contrary to scripture ▪ and to truth , so it is contrary to his own words , as in pag. 7. there saying , that by the light is the will and minde of the creator made known unto man , and he sufficiently qualified to see it , and understand it . answ. how can these two stand together , that the light drives man from god , and keeps him in the fall ; and again , that it makes known the will and mind of the creator unto him , and sufficiently qualifies him to see and understand it ? this cannot truly be called hosana to the son of david , no●a testimony to the lords christ , but a line of confusion which is stretched out , wherein darknesse is come forth as a cloud , and spreads it self over the earth , to darken peoples minds from the knowledge and understanding of truth , by words without knowledge ; but his folly shall proceed no further unreproved and made manifest . another false testimony concerning the light is this , that at first it moved upward , and man could look god in the face , and serve him ; but now since the fall the thief is got into the candle , and now the spirit burns downward , and discovers the things beneath . ans. what is the nature of the light cha●ged ? or is the spirit so changed , that before it ascended upward , and now downward ? we shall try this according to the scripture , which saith , who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward , and the spirit of a beast which goeth downward to the earth , eccles. 3. 21. so then if it goes downward it is the spirit of a beast , and not the spirit of a man : and here it is plainly evident that he knows not the spirit of a man from the spirit of a beast ▪ so unfit to cry hosana to the son of david , or bear testimony to the lords christ . but as for the light which hath enlightned man that cometh into the world , the fall did not change the quality of the light , for the light is the same ▪ as it was , but darknesse cannot comprehend ●t , neither knows how to give a true testimony of it , but confusedly speaks of two lights , the one springing up with man in his natural birth , sutable to his natural birth ; and another light sutable to the new birth that is born of the spirit . this is a testimony which is not to be found in scripture , to be two lights sutable to the two births , for he that is born of the flesh persecutes him that is born of the spirit , and god hath put enmity between the two seeds ; but to say that there is two lights sutable , and so the one natural , and the other spiritual ; the one of the earth , earthly , and the other of the lord , from heaven , as the two births are , this is not a testimony according to truth , for the light is but one , and the spirit of truth is but one ; and the same spirit which led the saints which believed , into all truth , the same did convince the world of sin because they did not believe in christ , ioh. 16. ● . and that light which is the condemnation of the world , who love the darknesse rather then christ , the same is the saviour of all them that believe ; and one man loves it , and another hates it , yet it is the same light , ioh. ● . 19 ▪ but the scriptures bears no such testimony as that there is two lights in man , the one spiritual , and the other natural ; and for any man to say that the light of christ is natural , is blasphemy against the son of god , and is a sin not easily forgiven , and it is hard for such to find the place of repentance ; for every one that comes to repentance , must first come to the light which christ hath enlightned them withall , and must know it to be spiritual , and confesse it so , and with this light come to discern the two births , the one from the other , and their several natures ; and how that the one birth is guided by the light , it being as the eye , giving them to see what to speak , before they speak , and so keeps them out of the worlds line , which is confusion ▪ and as a teacher , giving them to understand what to do , before they do it , and so keeps them out of the condemnation , bringing their works before-hand to judgement ; and so their works are wrought in god , who answer the light which they be enlightened withall ; but the light is not sutable , no● according to that birth which is born after the flesh , but condemns that in all its wayes and actions , and is given to lead the creature out of that nature , and out of that birth , into the regeneration , to lead out of the deeds of darknesse , and out of the shadow of death , into the living inheritance , among those that are sanctified in christ jesus . another testimony concerning the light , relating to the two covenants is this , that as there was a new covenant diverse from the former , the old , so there must of necessity be another light to accompany it , diverse from the former ; that is , as then mans spirit , so now the spirit of the lord , &c. page 35. answ. ther● are diversities of gifts , but the same spirit ; and there are differences of administrations , but the same lord ; and there are diversities of opperations , but it is the same god which worketh all in all , 1 cor. 12 ▪ 4 , 5 , 6. now all people is to know that there was a ministration different from the administration of the gospel , the new covenant a different administration from the old ; but there is no necessity that it be ministred from another spirit , nor from another lord , nor from another light ; therefore to say , that because the covenants or admini●●ration● are diverse one from another , that therefore it must not be the same spirit , but the one by the spirit of man , the other the spirit of god , and that the light● is to be diverse the one from the other , this is a false testimony ; ●o●●●● same spirit in which the law was administred , ( the first covenant ) ●● the same was the second administred , which doth make perfect according to the conscience . now as all people is brought o●● of their o●● inventions and imaginations , and from following their own spirits , to own the light of christ which hath enlightned them , they shall know the diversities of administrations , and the diversity of opperations , and yet but one light , and one power , and one spirit , and not as many lights as births , nor as many spirits as opperations , not every administration to have a diverse light to accompany it ? for though there be that are called gods , whether in heaven , ●r in earth , as there be gods many , and lords many , but to us there is but one god the father , of whom are all things , and we in him ; and one lord iesus christ , by whom are all things , and we by him ; howbeit there is not in ●very man that knowledge , 1 cor. 8. 5 , 6 , 7. and though there be in the world many lights , yet to us there is but one , him by whom all things was made , which doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world , that in him all men might believe ; and as every one believes in this light , they shall know that mans reason and understanding is not the light which every man is enlightened withall , for some are unreasonable men , and some are void of understanding : neither is the spirit of man the light of the world , which doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world ; neither is any thing called the light of the world ( in the scripture ) but christ ; for saith christ , i am come a light into the world , that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darknesse , ioh. 12. 46. then spake iesus again unto them , saying , i am the light of the world ; ●● that followeth me shall not walk in darknesse , bu● shall have the light of life , joh. 8. 12. and again , i am the light of the world , joh ▪ 9. 5. and the messenger which was sent before his face to prepare the way of the lord , and to bear witnesse to the truth , said , in him was life , and the life was the light of men , and that was the true light which enlighteneth every man that cometh into the world , ioh. 1. 4 , 9. and this is the light which in all ages , generations , and under all administrations the sain●s did bear their testimony in ; and this light did never change nor alter , though ages and generations have changed , and men have changed , and do change , and the minds of men change , and their wayes change , and their worships change , and forms and religions , which are not according to the light which christ hath enlightned them withal , which changeth not , which as it is followed , will lead them out of those ways which do change ▪ which is not the living way , for the new and living way is one with the light which every man is enlightned withall , which is every mans way to the father who follow it , and every mans condemnation who disobey it . another testimony concerning the first man adam in his first estate without sin , the sum of it is this , that as h● was at first , that is , at his beginning made s● , that is , without sin , for so was he made , eccles. 7. 29. upright , without crookednesse , without invention , that this man , yea in his purest naturals , ●annot receive nor discern the things of the spirit of god ▪ until ●e i● born of the spirit , or from above , according ▪ to ioh. ●13 . & 8. 3 ▪ 6. 1 cor. 2. 14 ▪ answ. this testimony is false , for the first adam before the fall , was the son of god , luk. 3. 38. and did know and perceive gods voice and power , and he knew gods command , that he should not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil , which if he did he should dye the death ; for he was in gods image , and the lord spoke unto him , and he perceived it , and he had right to eat of the tree of life which was in the midst of the garden ; and if adam had continued in that state there needed no law have been added because of transgression , neither had there needed any precept upon precept , nor line upon line , neither any teacher nor instructer of the ignorant , for there had no death passed over to seperate god from his creature which he had made in his own image , and given him power over all creatures ; but to say the son of god , in the image of god , without sin , in uprightnesse and power , to say that he is sensual , having not the spirit ; or to say that he is the natural man that cannot receive nor discern the things of the spirit of god , this is greater blasphemy then that which the apostle reproved , rev. 2. 9. in those which said they were iews , and were not , but were the synagogue of satan ; and all such whi●● brings forth such mysts of darknesse and and ignorance to blind the eye in people which should see the things of god in clearnesse , are to be reprovrd sharply , that they may be ashamed , and no more bring forth that which is both unnecessary and unseasonable , and contrary to truth , as iohn iackson hath done . and further he adds , that the natural man which paul speaks of 1 cor. 2. 14. and compares it with 1 cor. 15. 44 , 45. is not to be taken for the carnal sinful man , but for a man in puris naturalibus , meerly natural , pag. 37. let all therefore consider pauls words , which things also we speake , no● in the words which mans wisdom teacheth , but which the holy ghost teacheth , comparing spiritual things with spiritual : but the natural man receiveth not the things of the spirit of god , for they are foolishnesse unto him , neither can he know them , because they are spiritually discerned , 1 cor. 2. 13 , 14 , but he that is spiritual judgeth all things , yet he himself is judged of no man , ver. 15. now whether any man that hath the spirit of god can judge that this is not spoken of carnal & sinful men , or whether any by the spirit of god can judge that this was spoken of a man in the pure nature , without sin ; and let all who have the spirit of judgement judge whether adam in the image of god without sin , did account the things of god as foolishness unto him ; and if any so judge , let them prove it , that in adams innocency , without sin , the things of god were foolishness unto him ; or whether the crosse of christ which paul preached was foolishness unto any but unto carnal and sinful men . so every man i exhort to come to that of god in you , to know the salt in your selves to savor withall , that you may know that doctrine that stands in the devised words of mans wisdom , and not in the power of god , which would turn the truth of god into a lye , and pervert the minds from the right understanding of the things of god : but the day is come which hath brought forth light , and knowledge , and understanding to the simple , whereby they see the deeps which are covered with darkness , and they come to see and comprehend mens wisdom , and their fountain what it brings forth , for how should that which is unclean bring forth that which is clean : so that now we do not only know the words of those which have set themselves against the truth , but the spirit and power from whence they speak , and so in faithfulness bear our testimony against it , that the folly of those may be made manifest unto all men who wilfully oppose the truth , and their own selves through wilful blindness , and so count themselves unworthy of eternal life , exercising their strength , wisdom , and knowledge to shut up the kingdom of god against themselves , and others , labouring to keep all people from the light in the darkness , as is made manifest in this generation : how many have set themselves to preach and print against the light which christ the way to the father hath enlightened every man that cometh into the world withal ? but now hath god the father raised up his own seed according to his promise out of the north to spoyl babylon , jer. 51. 48. i have raised up one from the north , saith the lord , and he shall come : from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name , and he shall come upon princes as upon morter , and as the potter treadeth clay . isa. 41. 25. the promised seed of the lord is come forth , and is spreading over the nations as the morning over the mountains , and blessed are they that receive their testimony , for from the wrath of the almighty shall they be delivered , their bread shall not fail them , and their waters shall be sure , and their fountain shall never be empty , but plentious redemption shall they daily witness , and waters of life shall their thirst be satisfied with , and all the noise of the bruits shall not hurt them , for the lord is with them , therefore can they not be afraid , nor dismaid at that which cometh to pass upon the earth ; now because light is risen , therefore is the evil eyes offended , and have now turned their testimonies against the light , to make people believe that it doth the same works that darkness , sin , and satan doth , which is to drive the soul from god , and keep it in the fall , and that it is not able to shew the good or the evil of an action , to approve nor disapprove , which is true of the darkness , but not of the light ; for there is nothing that doth make manifest those things which are reproveable but the light , neither is there any thing which doth bring man from that estate where he is driven from god , and lead him out of the fall but the light , and so it is time to come out from among all such , for all people that desire to know gods ways , lest they be partakers of their plagues , and there be none to deliver , for many are hardening their hearts , in this day of gods tender love and mercy , and so evil do they requite the lord , that instead of turning at his reproofs , that they may find mercy , they are in their wisdom devising evil words , and reproachful terms against the light , by which the lord doth reprove man for his iniquity , and are exercising all their abilities to make the light even as darkness , and would exclude the power of god from it : when as there is no man that doth receive power , nor wisdom from god , but in the light which christ ha●h enlightened him withal , therefore is christ now preached as he declared himself to be the light of the world , ioh 8. and as his messenger declared him to have enlightened every man that cometh into the world , and this light is now preached and witnessed to be sufficient to lead unto god all that obey it , and to let them see that their works are wrought in god , joh. 3. and is sufficient to be the condemnation of all the world that ha●● it , according to joh. ● . 19. and for our thus bearing witness of the sufficiency of the light , many are ●isen up against us , even sl●nderous tongues , such as the poyson of asps is under ; but the lord hath delivered us from them , and will manifest his strength unto us , in bearing testimony to his light , and the power of it , against all the powers of darkness , and overcome them ; for god hath given his power to his own seed , the children of light , and those that rise up against them , it is but that they may be broken to pieces , for whosoever falleth on ●his stone , they shall be broken to pieces , and on whomsoever it falls , it will grind them to pouder . object . but some men say ; that the light is not sufficient to lead unto god those that obey and follow it ; and for a proof , saith , that paul did not disobey , but follow the light which was in him : and yet saith , that he obtained mercy because he did it ignorantly , which if he had disobeyed the light , he had sinned against knowledge , so the light in him was either not sufficient to discover to him the error of his way , or at least it did suspend its act of enlightening him in the knowledge thereof ; it check'd him not , it convinc'd him not , &c. answ. to say that paul did not disobey , but follow the light within him , that is false ; for he followed his zeal in madness , and pers●cu●ing the saints , and followed his thoughts which were fals● , thinking that he did god service , and thinking that he ought to do that which is contra●y to the light , and so kick'd against the pricks , instead of following th●t which did prick him ; and as for him in that condition , and the rest which persecuted steven to death , though they did it ignorantly , yet it was not because they were not enlightened , nor because the light was not sufficient to have given them the knowledge of him whom they did persecute , but because they did resist that which was sufficient to have given them the knowledge . as steven , a man ●ull of the holy ghost , did bear witness , saying unto saul , and the rest , ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in hearts and ears , ye do alwayes resist the holy ghost , as your fathers did , so do ye ; which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted , and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the just one , of whom ye have been now the betrayers , and murtherers , who have received the law by the disposition of angels , and have not kept it : when they heard these things , they were cut to the heart . so here is little ground in those for any to say they follow the light within them , and to say that they was not enlightened , which had received the law , which is light , by the disposition of angels , and did not keep it . here they disobeyed that which they had received , which was the light , and did alwayes resist the holy ghost which was able to have led them from the●r disobedience , and stiffneckedness , and if they did persecute to death for lack of knowledge , and so did it ignorantly , it was because they rejected knowledge , and forgot the law of their god which they had received , as the priests did in hosea 4 ▪ 6. and because they did forget the lord , as those did in jer. 18. so it was not because they were never convinc'd , nor never reproved , but because they would have none of his reproofs , for they would not walk in his wayes , neither were obedient to his law : but i say , did not israel know ? to israel he saith ▪ all day long i have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people , rom. 10. 21. therefore let no more such clamorous speeches come forth , as to say such have obeyed , and followed the light within them ; which if they had , then when god had called they would have answered , and it could not have been said , they had been disobedient , which when stephen told them of their resisting of the holy ghost , and their disobedience to the law , which was light , his words did answer something of god within them , wh●n they were cut to the heart , and that which had disobeyed the holy ghost , and the law which they had received , that did stone him to death , and th●rein they did kick against that which did prick them : but the light of christ is sufficient to lead all unto god which do obey and follow it ; and there was never any in all generations from abel u●to this generation , that ever in such ignorance , and wilful impudency , preach and print against the sufficiency of the light of christ as in this age is brought forth ; for as others did reject the lesser , so these the greater ; others did disobey that which they had received from the disposition of angels , and those , that which is given by the son of god , who saith , i am the light of the world : he doth not say that the spirit of man is the light of the world , nor that mans reason is the light of the world , as some have said ; neither did ever christ say , that his light was insufficient , but did bid those which were of the world , believe in the light , that they might be the children of light , joh. 12. 36. and did tell such which were of the world , that the kingdom of god was within them , so there was something in them which was of power ; but such a doctrine is now hated in the world , to preach any thing within man to be of power or ability to guide or lead man to god , or sufficient to believe in : but the scripture saith , the word of faith is in thy heart , ( which was the word the apostles preached ) to obey and to do it , and faith comes by hearing , and hearing by the word of god : but how shall they hear without a preacher ? but i say , have they not all heard ? yes verily , their ●ound went out into all the earth , and their words unto the ends of the world , but they have not all obeyed . but again it is said in the false hosanna , that the discovery of sin and iniquity may be where the sound of christ , as a door , as the l●ght , as the way may not have been ; and for proof saith , it was so in the first man , that measure and degree of light which discovered sin to him , was the law written in him . answ. he who is the light of the world , in him was life , and this life was the light of man , and he is before all th●ngs , and by him all things consist ; and the first man adam who was made a living soul , and wa● the son of god , the light that was in him , was the light of the son of god , while he remained in gods image , and when he was fallen from gods image into transgression , that which made manifest his transgression was the light which he was fallen from , and god did never write his law in mans heart but there was a measure of christ : but men in ignorance and blindness pretend to be ministers of distinctions between the law and christ , whenas they neither know what they say , nor whereof they affirm , nor seeing how it was added because of transgression , till the seed should come ordained by angels in the hands of a mediator , gal. 3. 19. and as well ministred forth in the light of the mediator ; for though there was , and is diversity of administrations , and of operations , yet the same lord , and the same light , that light in which the prophets saw christ , and prophesied before-hand of the coming of the just ; was the same in which the apostles witnessed him come ; and the same light which lets men see their sins , is that which lets them see their saviour , and leads them from their sins to christ , as they are obedient to it . but to say there is the discovery of sin and iniquity where the sound of christ as a door , the light the way hath not been , this remains to be proved , seeing the apostle saith , that the sound is gone into all the earth , and the words to the end of the world : have they not all heard ? yes verily : that which makes manifest is light ; is there light making sin manifest , and is there nothing of christ , seeing that his life is the light of men , and that men have no light but what proceeds from his life ? when was ever christ and the light , which discovers sin , separated ? and where is that scripture which saith , that the sound of christ , as a light , hath never been heard where sin and iniquity is discovered ; but that which hath brought forth these things may well be called an untimely birth , which never saw the son , nor never knew the light which christ hath enlightened every man withal which cometh into the world , for a little of this fruit doth manifest that tree from whence it springs , and so we shall judge the tree by its fruits : another fruit from this tree is to give his testimony of the law of faith , which is this : how far the law of faith may be said to be written upon every mans heart , is not given unto me to understand , only this glimpse i have of it , that it appears to have had an influence upon the heart of man , by those sacrifices which were offered up to god before the publication of the positive law , wherein as well cain as abel offered sacrifices , gen. 4. 4. answ. this testimony doth not proc●ed from the word of faith in thy heart , for that would give an understanding how the law of faith is written in the hear● , as well as how the law of works is written , and this thy glimpse which thou saies thou sees from the proposing of the promise , and the influence which thou sayes thou seest upon the heart of man by the sacrifices of cain , as well as abel , offered unto god ; if this thy pretended light and glimpse , which is so far of christ , be truly weighed and t●yed , it may prove but a vain vision , and a divination of thy own heart ; as all , who consider thy testimony of the law of faith , in saying , that the discovery thereof ariseth from what is without ; and that it had never been known , nor never thought of , nor never would it , or could it rationally have come into the heart of man to have conceived such a thing , but from the declaration of god in his promise : here it doth appear faith is a mystery to thee , and thy eye have not seen it , nor the ear heard , neither hath it entered into thy heart to conceive faith in the working and operation of it : and in that thou saiest well , that it was not given thee to understand how it is written upon every mans heart ; and thou had done well if thou had not stretched thy self beyond the line of thy knowledge and understanding , for thou thy self confessest that unto those first beleevers , abel , enoch , noah , abraham , isaac , jacob , moses , david , daniel , and the rest , there was communicated unto them a spirit of faith , and a light sutable and proportionable , whereby they were enabled to behold christ , who was the object of their faith : then if it did arise from the spirit of faith within them , and the light of christ , who was the author of their faith , it did not arise from the declaration of god in the promise without , so that the mystery of faith which is held in a pure conscience is yet to be learned , which was witnessed amongst the saints : so when thou writes again of the law of works , or the law of faith , or the discovery which the lord maketh to his creature , under the diversities of these administrations , keep back to the measure of the gift of god , and then will thy testimony be no larger than thy knowledge , which is a guilt hath spread over many in these dayes ; but this i say , blessed is the man which doth not condemne himself in the thing which he alloweth , and which doth not destroy himself with the breath of his own mouth . but there is a generation which their own breath as fire shall devour them . again , concerning the light which every man is enlightned withal , which is thy stumbling block , and rock of offence , as it is unto all the rest whose deeds are evil ; thou saieth , god hath not annointed it to that work , nor laid the weight of eternal salvation upon the shoulders thereof , it being too weak for that service . answ. him hath god annointed who is the light of the world , and hath enlightened every man that cometh into the world , and there is no work of eternal salvation wrought but in the light which every man is enlightened withal , and this light is of him and from him which bears the sins in his own body , and is not too weak for that service which the father hath given him to do , and this light is christ ( and whereas some say , hath every man christ ) every man hath christ to save , or to condemne him , & christ is as truly the condemnation of those whose deeds are evil , as he is the saviour of them that believe ; and as those that believe in the light are already saved by christ , so also those that believe not in his light which he hath enlightened them withal , are already condemned ; and so christ is near unto every one , to answer every mans work according to the nature of it , whether he serve sin unto death , or be found in the obedience of truth unto eternal life ; for now is the day appeared to try every mans work of what sort it is ; and now is many offended because the light is broken forth , and their eye is evil , because the lords is good . but wo unto the world because of offences ; if any have the spirit of a king , let them search out the cause of the offence which is now broken forth amongst the children of men , that the enmity which is in all sorts of people , of all professions , should rise up together , and become a body , the wicked joyning hand in hand , preaching , and printing , and crying for unity , which they are making up of enmity , that they may be strong against that which the lord hath now brought forth in his light and power to be witnesses unto him in every place wheresoever he doth call them , witnessing forth his mercy and truth , by which iniquity is purged out ; and preaching the gospel freely to every creature , whereby they may come to the knowledge of the truth , that they may be saved : but in the world it is so come to passe in these dayes , that he that can but give reviling terms and hard speeches against the light which christ hath enlightned every man withall , calling it natural , or insufficient ; and if they do but revile those which they call quakers , and put this in the beginning of his book , then it passeth with toleration , and have as good approbation from the world as any of the priests have for their ministry : but if any man begin to speak of the light within , and the annointing within , and the word of faith in the heart , and of the mystery of faith in a pure conscience , and of the sprinkling of the heart from an evil conscience , and of believing in the light , as christ said , such a one speaking of these things , and not directing his speech in open reproach against them called quakers , the peoples hearts will be filled with jealousie , lest he be one . so that even the light is become a reproach unto them , and their dirision daily , but the lords hand is turned against all such , and he is turning the wise men backward , and making their wisdom become foolishness ; for once there was a seeking after light in many , that it might rise , and open the things of god unto them , and reveal the mysteries of his life , whereby their souls might be satisfied ; and now when it is risen in many , and hath brought forth its powerful effects ; now the man of sin hath his time , and doth prevail in many to make them believe , that it is not the light which is able to save the souls of them which believe in it , and doth beget a spirit of jealousie in them which is stronger than death ; and begetteth a fear in them , which worketh torment : and many now doth fear , and are jealous , that that light is not the christ which hath enlightened them , and every one which cometh into the world , and this is the work of satan in the hearts of the disobedient , which as every one comes to obey his light , and to answer his perfect love to them which is manifest in the light , that fear will be cast out , and life will be given to that witness of god which once did breath after his life , without which the soul cannot rest , nor be satisfied ; and this shall many come to witness , as the man of sin comes to be revealed , which letteth , and will let , until he be taken out of the way ; and then shall they see at what they have stumbled , and by what they have been overcome , and then they will know that it had been good for them if they had walked i● the light of the lord , insteed of setting themselves against it , and as the light it self by such before mentioned is denyed , so the testimony which the children of light give of it , is also despised , and contended against , as if it were not to be owned for a doctrine of truth , which doctrine of truth hath been laid often before people , and is yet once more , that they may consider , prove , and try , and so believe , and so be able to give a testimony from the witness of god in themselves . first , we say that christ is the light of the world , according to his own words , ioh. 8. 12. and again we say , that he hath enlightned every man that cometh into the world , according to his words who was sent a messenger before his face to bear witnesse to the truth , and his witnesse is true , ioh. 2. 9. and as christ hath enlightned every man that cometh into the world , so we say to every man , warning both small and great to believe in the light , that they may be the children of light , which was christs doctrine to the world , ioh. 12. 36. and now what christ doth and effecteth by it in those that believe in his light , and followeth it , which effects and opperations by the world is denyed , and by us is affirmed : some of the effects of it i shall mention , which is opposed : as first , that it will not let those that are guided by it take gods name in vain , but will draw th●m out of the worships of the world , and keep them in the fear of god , and to stand still in it is the first step to peace . that it discovers things that are contrary to it . that it is their teacher that love it , and their condemnation that hate it , according to christs words , ioh. 3. 19. that waiting in it will guide them to god , and shew them the way to the father , as christ saith , no man cometh unto the father but by me , ioh. 14. 6. and no man cometh unto the father by christ but as they are led and guided by his light within them . that it op●ns all the scriptures , and leads man out of the fall , up to god ; for him hath the fath●r given to be a leader and commander unto the people , and he leadeth them by his light . another effect is , that it convinceth of all ungodlinesse and worldly lusts , and is a teacher and director , teaching and directing in righteousnesse , purity , and holinesse , &c. and that the light is but one in him that loves it , and in him that hates it , leading the one to god , from whence it comes , to receive eternal life , and condemning the other from god because he obeyeth not the truth , that he might be saved . and this is the testimony of truth which is now held forth , never to be denyed : but who hath believed our report ? even they to whom the arm of the lord is revealed : and this is the way by which people may come to know the truth of this testimony , by obeying the light which christ hath enlightned them withall , thereby shall they know whether this doctrine be of god , or whether we speak of ourselves , and whether all those effects is not brought forth by the working of christs light in them ; and then they shall not believe onely because of our words , nor be envious against it because of others words , but will finde the testimony in themselves , which is according to the record which god hath given of his son , and according to the testimony which we have given of the light ; and he that believeth shall be established . now that which opposeth this , is that which beareth a testimony contrary to christ , who saith , for this end was i born , and for this end came i into the world , to bear witnesse unto the truth ; and every one that is of the truth heareth my voice , ioh. 18. 37. and this was his witnesse , and his messengers witnesse , that he was the light of the world , and , that this is the true light which hath enlightned every man that cometh into the world , ioh. 8. 12. ioh. 1. 9. and this contrary testimony which is brought forth is this , that it is the spirit of man that is the light which hath enlightned every man ; and so going about to prove the spirit of man not to be sufficient , under this would destroy the sufficiency of the light of christ . but the scriptures never did give testimony that the spirit of man was the light of the world ; neither did we ever say that this light was the spirit of every man , nor a natural light : and therefore this man which hath writ a volume in proving a natural light , or mans reason insufficient , let all people take notice what he contradicts , or disproves by it ; he doth not by it contradict nor disprove any thing that we have said , for we never did affirm that mans reason was the light ; but he hath laboured to contradict himself : he hath set up an image , and then glories in breaking of it down , & from our words draws a false inference , and glories in confounding it : and this is the general course of our opposers , to raise a false proposition or conclusion from their own imaginations , and then contradict it , and then cry , the quakers contradicted , or confuted , and their doctrine disproved , and they irrecoverably slain ; and many such cryes is gone forth in the world among people , like the noise of many waters . to which i answer , nay , they are not of such a birth that they are so easily slain , nor of such a doctrine that they are so easily disproved ; for the immortal birth is brought forth , unto which god hath given wisdom and understanding to be as wise as serpents , and in their innocency is their wisdom brought forth , which seed inheriteth the strength of the almighty : so though they be permitted to fight and contend against the truth , yet to prevail is not given them : therefore in vain is the net spread in the sight of any bird , and in vain do they exercise their strength against the lords annointed ; for this which they have brought forth is but as setting of bryars and thorns in battel against the lord or as if the untimely birth should strive against that birth which is brought forth without deformity , to slay it , as those in former ages , who were wiser in their generation then the children of light , sought to slay the heir , that the inheritance might be theirs . in like manner do men now also rise up against the life of the same seed which is risen in the hearts of the children of men , to slay it , that so they may professe the scriptures in their high swelling words of vanity , having mens persons in admiration because of advantage : for if this seed doth live which the lord hath not onely brought to the birth , but also brought forth , it will stop that profession which stands in the hypocrisie , and will quench that violence of fire in which that zeal flames out , which is not according to knowledge : but the seed is risen which inherits the strength of the almighty , which can bear all things , and suffer all things , and will come to reign over all gainsayers ; for all the high swelling words of vanity shall come to nought , and truth shall be exalted over all , in the power of the eternal spirit , when blacknesse of darkness will cover all those spirits , which have spent their strength against the appearance and manifestation of truth ; and those that now boast themselves in their presumption against the servants of the lord , and testimony of truth , shall come to be a servant of servants , even to the least in the kingdom of god ▪ before they have right unto that which they now profess , or before they be counted worthy to cry hosanna to the son of david , or to bear a testimony to the lords christ ; for he will have none such to be his witnesses , as deny his light which he hath enlightened every man withal : for the true witnesses bear this testimony of christ , that he is the true light , and is the light of the world , which hath enlightened every man that cometh into the world , that every man through him might bel●eve , and every one in whom this witnesse is found true , is justified of god . another accusation is against richard farnsworth , for saying , that christ did break the passeover with his disciples , and herein he is charged to want light ; or , that the light in him was not sufficient in him to open this , and that he did not discern between the passeover , and the supper of the lord : and likewise is accused , for calling that a shadow , which the scripture saith was but to shew the lords death till he came . answ. to call the supper the passeover , doth not demonstrate that he wants light , neither that the light is insufficient , for the disciples called it the passeover which they prepared for him : and christ called it the passeover which he eat with his disciples , mark . 14. 12. 14. matth. 26. 20 , 21 , 22. and that which they eat he broke : but it doth not say , that he broke his bones , nor eat his bones ; yet he eat the passeover with his disciples . and whereas he is accused for calling that a shadow , and many now , in imitation , take bread and wine , and call that the lords supper , opposing those that are come to the substance , and witness the substance , eating that which is meat indeed , and drinking that which is drink indeed ; but this man which doth oppose richard farnsworth , and others , in these things , he ha●h the least reason to mention this supper , or the breaking of bread of any , for others do call their breaking of bread , and drinking of wine , the lords supper , because they practise it : but this man doth neither practise that as the lords supper , nor witness the substance , so that this is the greatest hypocrisie , to contend about that , or to accuse others , in denying of that which he himself denyes the practise of : so that this accusers doctrine and accusations wants both light and reason . another accusation is against these two writers , richard farnsworth , and francis howgill , as if they should be in an unreconciled difference ; because the one hath affirmed , that the light of christ is sufficient to open all the scriptures : and the other saith , thou that tells of opening chapters or verses by meanings , thou never heard a word of christ . answ. these are not differences ; for the light of christ and mans meanings are contrary : so for the one to say , the light doth open ; and the other to say , mans meanings doth not open , this is not contrary : so the confusion is turned again to the accuser , and doth not belong to these two writers : so the ignorance of this accuser is to be taken notice of , which would make people believe things that is not : for if he write his book for those that can neither read , see , nor hear , his labour is in vain : and if he write it to those that can read , see , hear , and understand , they will account it foolishness , especially in this day , when the light of life is broken forth among the children of men , to give them an understanding according to truth , for in this day , he that keepeth silence is reputed wise ; and better is he that keepeth silence , than he that speaks , unless the spirit of the lord give him utterance . another accusation is against w. d. he speaking so such a one as is guided by the lamb , &c. saying , the light in thy conscience , the righteous law , cryes through thy earthly heart , and brings it into judgement , &c. and then speaking of the parable of the little leaven hid in three measures of me●l , that it changeth the whole lump into the nature of it self ▪ so the little light that shines in thy dark heart , is the powerful word of faith , and that the light is the sure word of prophesie , whereunto ye do well to take heed until the day dawn , and the day-star arise in your hearts : and for these things he is accused . answ. those that are guided by the lamb , do witness that the ●ight , the righteous law , cryes through the earthly heart , and brings it into judgement , and will not accuse one for saying so ; and as for speaking of the little light , as christ spoke of the little leaven ; was it no offence in the dayes of the son of man to preach that the kingdom of heaven was like unto a grain of mustard seed , or like unto a little leaven ? and is it an offence now ●o preach the word of faith to be as a little light , or to preach the annointing to be as a little light , in those in whom the light is little , doth this also offend you ? what then if we should say , that christ is the light of life , the son of righteousness , and the glory and express figure of the fathers substance in some , and but as a little light , o● day-star in others , or in others as a light before the day-star arise in their hearts : is not the light great in some , and little in others ? and is not christ the same ? may that only be called christ which takes away the sins ? and may not that also be called christ which pierceth through the soul , and revealeth the thoughts of many hearts , luke ▪ 2. 35. may he only be called christ unto whom the father hath given the heathen for his inheritance , and the utmost parts of the earth for his possession , who reigneth , and hath all his enemies under his feet , and is not he the same as he is descended into the lower parts of the earth , and which took upon him the form of a servant ? so therefore that none may err in their judgments concerning the testimony which is given of christ , and of his light , his light is more or less according to his manifestation in every one , there being given to every one a manifestation of the spirit to profit withal , and every one is to be turned to the measure of their manifestation , to know and witness christ in it , though in many it be but as a little light , yet they are to be turned unto it , while it is so , which as it doth encrease , and is enlarged , it may be called , or declared under another name than little , as the kingdom of heaven is not alwayes like unto a grain of mustard-seed , nor as a little leaven , but comes to rule in the children of men : and whereas the accuser replieth against the light , and against christ to be the word of faith ; saying , christ is called the word of god , rev. 19. 13. but not the word of faith ; and yet saith in page 45. that christ is the author and finisher of faith . answ. if christ be the word of god , and faith come by hearing , and hearing by the word of god , then how is it that he is not the word of faith , being that word by which faith comes when it is heard , and he being the author of it ? may he not then as well be called the word of it , as the author of it , seeing he is the word by which it comes : but that all may understand what this word of faith was which the apostle preached , this was christ , rom. 10. and they preached no other word to be the word of faith but christ , that whosoever believed on him should not be ashamed : so that if the ignorance of christ , and of the apostles words , were blotted out of the hearts of our accusers , they would be silent , and the daylie reproach would cease . and whereas it is affirmed by us , that the light , or a measure of christ within , is a sure word of prophesie , or a more sure word of prophesie , as peter saith , 2 pe●. 1. 19. and whereas many are offended at this , and labours to make people believe that this is the writings of the prophets which is the more sure word of prophesie the apostle speaks of , because he saith , knowing this first , that no prophesie of the scriptures is of any private interpretation ; for the prophesie came not in old time by the will of man , but holy men of god spoke as they were moved by she holy ghost , &c. ans. now i shall make it appear that it was not the writings of the prophets which was that more sure word ; as first , concerning that , here is one thing held out to be a sure word , and another thing held out to be more sure , as unto those to whom it was spoken : and as concerning the first : that which is held out to be a sure word , is that which ●ame from the father , the voice which cam● from the excellent glory , saying , this is my beloved son , in whom i am w●ll pleased ; and this voice which came from heaven the disciples heard when they were with him in the holy mount . this was a sure word when it was spoken , and when it was written it was a sure testimony , as sure as any of the prophets writings ; for the prophets did see that he was to come , and that he that was to come was the well-b●loved son of the father , and they wrote this down , and it was a sure testimony of christ ; and peter , and the rest saw that he was come , and did hear the voice from the excellent glory proclaiming him to be the son of god , and when they had seen it ▪ they wrote it down ; and this was as sure a testimony , yea a surer then the prophets , and that which the apostles were eye-witnesses of , and did write down for truth , was as much ●● be taken heed unto as that which the prophets declared ; and this will all men of understanding judge , that the apostle peter did not direct the people to the prophets words , to take heed to them because they were more sure th●n his own , and more to be believed : but although the apostles words and writings was confirmed with more power and witnesse of the spirit then the prophets , and both true , yet the apostles ministry unto those which did not see those things which the prophets saw , muchlesse those things the apostles saw , no , not so far as the dawning of the day , nor to the day-star risen in their hearts , therefore peter dividing the word of god aright , saith unto them , we have a more sure word of prophesie , whereunto ye do well that ye take heed , as unto a light that shineth in a dark place , until the day dawn , and the day-star aris● in your hearts , 2 pet. 1. 19. it was more sure for them to ●ake heed unto that which was as a light shining in a dark place , till the day-star did arise , and the day dawn in their hearts , then the declarations from others without them , decla●rd in words & writings ; as thus for example , by experience ; to such i shall direct my speech , who canno● witnesse the day dawned , nor the day-star risen in their hearts , nor hath heard the voice from the excellent glory , to such i say , that which i have seen and heard , the visions , power , and glory , wherein i am an eye witnesse of his glory , and of his appearance , this i may declare and write unto you , and you may believe it , but to such i say , it is more sure for them to take heed to the light that shines in the dark place , till they come to witnesse in ●hemselves the day dawned , and day-star risen , and the son of god made manifest in them , then to take heed to the words which i have declared , though it be a true testimony ; for the apostle did not write to himself , nor say that it was more sure unto him , bu● unto them unto whom he wrote his epistle ; for unto him no word of prophesie was more sure then that which he had seen and heard when he was with christ in the holy mount . so this may inform your understandings who have more desir● to know the truth , then to oppose it , and may put to silence the vain disputings by men of corrupt minds , who are destitute of the truth , alwayes corrupting the words of truth to oppose the life of it , as many such there are in these dayes , which the lord hath , and will rebuke sharply , that they may be asham●d ; but all who are led and guided by the light of christ shall know the annointing in them , and the word of faith , yea the son of god : he that can receive it without offenc● , let him . 5. obj. but he that hath opposed us saith in pag. 25. of his book , in the second part , that the dawning of the day is rather an evening then a morning . ans. now let all which have but known a day and a night in the creation , judge , whether the evening or the morning be the dawnings of the day ; or , whether the day-star be a fore-runner of the day , or of the night ; then it will not be incredible which i have said before , that he calls darknesse light , and light darknesse ; but in such things our opposers will not receive a good report from those which can give true judgement , and to such it is left to judge of those things . obj. again he saith in pag. 35. that the spirit of truth was not a comforter to the apostles , nor a reprover to the world before christ was ascended ; and yet himself , to contradict himself , saith , that he was in them before , and dwelt in them , the same spirit , but not the same measure . ans. here is babylon at the height , fit to be pul'd down , but needs little answering , seeing that i● answereth it self , and for such reasons as these he might well conceal his name : and if he could have put this off by hiding his name , for an hosanna to the son of david , or a testimony to the lords christ , then he might well have boasted , and have gloryed in his shame , as if there had been no spirit of discerning in those he calls quakers , nor others ; but the eye of truth is not yet so blinde , but we know an evening from a morning , a night from a day , and a lye from truth ; and we know also that the disciples had a measure of the spirit of truth while he was with them upon earth , and this spirit did both comfort them , and did carry them on in obedience to his will , and in the power of this spirit went forth into the world , and reproved the world of sin because they did not believe in christ , and the devils was subject unto them by the spirit of truth that was in them , before christ ascended , and to this there is a cloud of witnesses : so that this from him , filling his book with such things as these , is as if a man should fill a ba●n with chaff instead of corn , and deceive others with selling i● for corn . another contradiction of the same nature , is this , that the manifestation of the spirit is given ( to no man for himself , but ) to every man to profit withall , to edi●ie , and build up , and do service in the body , as an hand , foot , or eye , or some other member of the body , &c. and to contradict this , in the next words saith , not that the spirit , or the manifestation of the spirit , is given to every man , ( i. e. ) to every individual person , forasmuch as some men are sensual , having not the spirit , therefore no manifestation thereof , pag. 17. ans. this is like the former , and so to be cast out with it , for his distinction of words ▪ between every man , and every individual person , wil not cover him ; for where the scripture saith every man without distinction , that is , every individual man and woman : and the apostle saith , but the manifestation of the spirit is given to every man to profit withall , he doth not say , not to every individual person : and this also i say , and affirm , that to every man is given a manifestation of the spirit to profit withall , and he that profits with it , by it shall be justified ; and he that doth not profit with it , by it shall be condemned , because he is an unprofitable servant , and this truth shall stand when all confusion shall have an end , yet some are sensual , having not the spirit . obj. again , in despising the testimony from the measure of the gift of the spirit of god , when they have spoken according to the measure , & could not boast themselves above their measure , but in their measure witnessing the work of god as it was fulfilled in them , such he scornfully reproacheth , saying , what means those cracks and crannes in their knowledge , knowing but in part ? there is no pieces , nor parts , nor measures , nor degrees in absolute perfection , but whosoever sayes he knows in part , he is short of perfection ; and whosoever saith he knoweth perfectly , he knows not how perfect his knowledge is , and the first of these is called a vain man , boasting of that which is not , and of a false gift , and is like clouds , and winde without rain . ans. herein is pauls doctrine ( as well as ours ) declared against , to be but as cracks and crannes , and a vain boasting of a false gift ; for paul saith , we dare not make our selves of the number , or compare our selves with some that commend themselves , but they measuring themselves by themselves , and comparing themselves with themselves , are not wise : but we will not boast of things without our measure , but according to the measure of the rule which god hath distributed unto us , a measure to reach even unto you ; for we stretch not our selves beyond our measure , not boasting of things without our measure , that is of other mens labours . now this measure of which he thus spoke , was in christ , so in perfection ; and there is parts and degrees in christ , and so in absolute perfection ; for so far as every man is in the measure of the gift of god , so far he is in christ , and so far his knowledge is perfect , and abiding in this he abideth in that which is perfect ; and as he glories in this , he gloryes in a true gift , and none shall make this glorying void . obj. and whereas iohn iackson saith of those that say they have but attained in measure , he calleth that the bleeting of the sheep , and the lowing of the oxen , which declares plainly that they are not at home , they are not in the city , but have certain miles to travel before they arrive . ans. this is a false interptetation , as i shall leave it unto all of understanding to judge ; for the bleeting of the sheep , and the lowing of the oxen , did signifie sauls disobedience unto the commandment of god , for which the lord did reject him : but when paul said he knew in part , and prophesied in part , and would not boast above his measure , this did not signifie his disobedience to the lord , but contrariwise his obedience , and that he was in christ jesus : so this was not as the bleeting of the sheep , and lowing of the oxen , neither did it shew that they were not in the city ; for paul testifieth of the holy brethren which he was a minister unto , that they were come unto mount sion , and unto the city of the living god , the heavenly ierusalem , and to an innumerable company of angels , to the general assembly , and church of the first-born , which are written in heaven ; and t● god the iudge of all , and to the spirits of just men made perfect , and to iesus the mediator of the new covenant , & to the blood of sprinkling . now let him that have thus accused , shew how many miles these had to travel before they came to the city ; & whether was any parts , measures , or degrees in these : or whether there was absolute perfection without any measure or degrees of it ? and whether paul was not come so far as these unto whom he preached wisdom , even among those that were perfect : and might he not in that estate say that he would not stretch himself beyond his measure ? but this i say , none are true witnesses of perfection but those who know their measure , and abide in it : and likewise , those that call the witnessing of the truth in a measure of the spirit , the bleeting of the sheep , or the lowing of the oxen , such never knew perfection , neither yet presseth after it , but would keep all others from it , by despiteful terms against the measure of the spirit which leadeth unto it : but the day is come , and the light is risen , which hath found out and discovered all the cunning craftinesse of men , in which they go about to deceive the hearts of the simple , and beguile unstable souls ; but the elect seed is risen which it is impossible to deceive ; for it is not the scripture-words which men may take and speak in the hypocrisie , which can darken our knowledg , no● any way hinder the testimony of truth in those which have received it in the power of god , only with such things the blind may lead the blind , and with such things they may strive to keepe others out of the kingdom which have not tasted of the good word of god , neither are brought to know a measure of god in themselves , whereunto to be obedient ; but i see the lord is opening a way for such to come out of the pits which they have been led into , in opening their eyes , and letting them see that their watchmen is blind , and that understanding is departed from them , even from their leaders , and the counsels of god is departed , even from the ancient ▪ and the people is even like to perish for want of vision , because they have not seen for themselves , but their teachers have seen for them vain visions , and lying divinations , and prophesied lyes , causing the ignorant to believe them ; but the lords hand is stretched out against such , and is stretched out to gather his own seed from such , to bring them into the fear of the lord , which is the beginning of wisdom , and into the knowledge of the holy , which is understanding , prov. 9. 10. which understanding is a well-spring of life . another seeming strength risen up against us , is the conceit of the discovery of a schism in the body , as if the band or girdle which bound up the body were broken , and as if there were now a character brought forth amongst us , shewing a variety of persons , doctrines , and practices , and as if the testimony of our being of the body of christ , from the unity in the body were ceased , and as if the heads were divided , and a● for proof , instances g. f. to i. n. i n. to g. f. i. b. to i. n. and as if it were not person , but party , which some wonder at , admiring and waiting to see the lords counsel and pleasure in it . ans. all those that wait to see the lords counsel and pleasure , and his wisdom in this thing , shall see it , and be satisfied , and it will for the time to come be more for the confounding of those that watch for iniquity , then any way for confirming them in iniquity , and by that which god hath done , and is doing , shall the girdle and band of our love be made stronger , and in this shall the sight of our enemies fail , and become blindnesse , for their thoughts is not as gods thoughts in these things , neither their eye as his eye , for he saw a better thing for us in these things then they have imagined , for that which they thought wrought for evil , hath wrought together for good unto those that stand in gods counsel , who always waits to see those works which stands in his wisdom , contrary to mans reason ; for that which they thought did break , that hath bound ; and that which they thought did separate , that hath united together ; so that there is not a difference nor dividing of heads , not in persons , nor in parties , nor in doctrines , nor in practices , but the same unity in the body , in the faith , in the seed , in the covenant , in one heart , and one soul , one way and worship of god in the spirit is now as much , or more then ever before witnessed , so that god hath cut off occasion from those that seek occasion , and hath taken away the corner-stone that the wicked thought to build upon ; and hereby hath god tryed , and discovered , and brought to light that which lay in the bottom of the deepest pits ; for god hath brought in this his day , many things forth , to try and prove those who said they were his people ; and those that a few dayes since seemed to be like lambs , do now manifest themselves to be in the nature of lyons , and ravening wolves ; and those that pretend to wait for the coming of christ in power , and had the name of seekers , they are now found to reject his coming , and to be such as watch for iniquity in those among whom christ is come ; and now they are turned backward , and now drink up that which they had vomited up ; for now if they could but finde any iniquity among such as god hath made known the glory of his power among ; or if they can but suppose or imagine any such thing from false conceptions and conclusions , this would be a sufficient ground to them to print a book upon , and publish it abroad , and but that the lord hath been on our sides , well may we say , when all sorts of men and religions hath risen up against us , by their violence had we been consumed , for the powers of darknesse , and all the divers worships of the beast , are now more joyned together then ever , and the deepest subtilty of the serpent is now at work in his members , to devise wayes , and change the laws and times , whereby the spirit might be quenched which god hath raised up in his children , whereby a mighty cry is gone forth through the nations against the mystery of iniquity , where it worketh , both in the root and the branches of it ; and now is the burden of the beasts of the south felt as truly as in the prophets dayes , isa. 30. 6. from whence cometh the young and old lyon , the viper , and fiery flying serpent , and now doth the mighty and terrible cry of the spirit of the lord go forth to the men of this generation , as it went forth before time to the aegyptians , concerning this which the lord hath wrought , ( your strength is to stand still ) and if this counsel of the lord be by you received , you shall know more of the wayes and workings of the lord with his children , and that all things which the lord hath done is for the furtherance of the gospel , and that those which are approved may be made manifest ; what a strong ground of occasion would the envious one have thought he had , if he had come among the babes in christ who were met together at corinth , hearing paul say that there was divisions among them , and said that there must be heresies among them , that they which are approved may be made manifest , 1 cor. 18. 19. and this was no character that god had broken them without hands , no● that he had made their profession of unity of no force , but through this manifestation he did work schism out of the body , that so there should be no schism , rent , heresie , nor any such thing in the body ; and this thing was not that the enemies of god might glory against the truth ; and if any labour to seek occasion against the holy brethren , and say they are divided into heads because two eminent men of them withstood one another , as concerning eating with the gentiles , viz. paul and peter ; to such i say , he that gathered at first into unity , is the healer and repairer of such breaches ; and they may professe and witnesse as much unity after this as ever before . and th●se three which the envious one hath mentioned to be at difference in doctrine and practice , viz. g. f. j ▪ n. and j. b. the unity in the life and power of god in them , and in their doctrine and practice shall stand for a witnesse , and for a condemnation against all the accusers : and now seeing that their occasion is taken away , their accusations may cease ; and if such prophe●s be deceived , then let them consider who hath deceived them , i the lord hath deceived that prophet . therefore what would such a prophet think of the apostles words when he saith , there must come a falling away first , that the man of sin may be revealed ? would he , or could he judge this a ●haracter that the day of of christ were at hand , or that through such things the power of it should be made more manifest ? or that those among whom these things were wrought , should be thereby the more united ? to believe this will bring men even to their wi●s end , it being so contrary to their thoughts and conceivings , and this may w●ll con●ound their wisdome , and turn them backward , and bring them to question the truth of all that which ever they have written , spoken , o● acted against th●se whom the lord hath manifested his power and work among , contrary to their judgement and discerning ; for the wayes and workings of the lord is deep , and his secrets are with those that fear him , and not with those that despise his appearance , and speak evil of that they know not ; and the lord will yet work greater things in the earth , that such may be confounded . and what wil such say , if the words of daniel the prophet be fulfilled in these dayes , saying , and some of them of understanding shall fall to try them , and to purge , and to make them white , ●ven to the time of the ●nd , &c. dan. 11. ●5 . doth not god he●eby try men , and try their spirits , and try their discernings ; should any in such cases judge before the time the lord make it manifest , for this cause will god bring such into judgement ▪ therefore i say unto you , that your strength is to sit still and let the lord alone , and let his people alone , and let him work his own work in his own way , and presume not to be his counseller , for who have known the mind of the lord ? let such as have , dwell in it , and preserve knowledge , so shall they alwayes abide in strength , and power , and union with the lord , and one with another ; and men shall yet know for all that hath been , that we are his disciples , because we love one another ; and none shall make our glorying and rejoycing in the unity of the spirit , and in the love of god , void ; but it shall abound more and more to torment the spirit of enmity which would break it , or accuse us for professing of it , but over that spirit we are in the lord . but what if some should rise up , even from among our selves , speaking perverse things , and draw disciples after them , and go out from us , as they did from among the apostles , that it might be made manifest , that they were not all of us : ought this to be laid to our charge ? or , ought the way of god to be accused ; because of such things , to be heresie , or schisme ? if this seem to you an evident token of perdition and of error , yet to us of salvation , and that of god . and we are assured that we are of god , having the witness in our selves , yet not bearing witness of our selves , for there is one that beareth witness of us , even the father which is in heaven , and his witness is true , being unto us a seal of assurance . therefore from henceforth this is a warning to small and great , that they no further proceed in that which is both unnecessary and unseasonable : for this i say unto all such , that it is unnecessary and unseasonable , to seek to perswade us , that the truth is error , or that the light , which every man is enlightned withal , is the spirit of every man , for that is not according to the record which god hath given of his son , nor which the son hath given of the light ; but blessed be that day , and blessed for ever be that power in which a seed is brought forth , unto which the father ha●● given ●●●u● testimony in which they shall never be confounded , which abide faithful , for great is the mystery of godliness , god manifest in the flesh , and against this manifestation is the power of darkness risen up , and all the messengers and ministers of satan under all forms and professions , hath joyned themselves together to make their arm strong against the son of righteousness ; his righteous life , and righteous wayes , which now he is bringing forth , among his children ; but out of the mouth of babes , hath god ordained strength , against which all the powers of darkness cannot prevail ; and unto which strength all our enemies must bend , and bow , and come for salvation ; for that which now the leaders of the people , have set themselves against , when they have finished their course , and the anguish comes over their souls , then will they confess , that it had been well if they had loved the light , and walked in it , which they have so long hated , and dispised , with those that walk in it ; and all those which have exercised their strength , to shut others out of the kingdom of god , by their preaching , printing , and false accusations , they shall know that while they serve sin , they are free from righteousness , and do keep others from it ; but the time is coming , that their mouths must be stopped , and the lord w●ll cause his everlasting righteousness to spread abroad , as broad rivers , and streams , unquenchable , and nothing shall hinder it ; and this is the day in which the lord will try those that dwell upon the earth , as he hath tryed many , and measured them by a true line , and hath found them deceitful , although they have made profession of his name , and of his words , for a cloak for their iniquity ; but now the light is come into the world , and there remain● no more cloak for their sins , nor hiding place for their iniquitie . the end . to the whole english army, and to every particular member thereof, both officers and souldiers, whether of england, scotland, or ireland; these are for them to read, and consider, as wholesome animadversions in this day of distractions / e. burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a77961 of text r229357 in the english short title catalog (wing b6041). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 10 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 1 1-bit group-iv tiff page image. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a77961 wing b6041 estc r229357 45789192 ocm 45789192 172505 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a77961) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 172505) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 2636:4) to the whole english army, and to every particular member thereof, both officers and souldiers, whether of england, scotland, or ireland; these are for them to read, and consider, as wholesome animadversions in this day of distractions / e. burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 1 sheet ([1] p.) printed for giles calvert, london : [1659] signed: london, the fourth of the eleventh moneth, 59. ...e. burrough. reproduction of original in: friends' library (london, england). eng great britain -history -commonwealth and protectorate, 1649-1660 -sources. broadsides -england -17th century. a77961 r229357 (wing b6041). civilwar no to the whole english army and to every particular member thereof, both officers and souldiers, whether of england, scotland, or ireland; the burrough, edward 1659 1781 4 0 0 0 0 0 22 c the rate of 22 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the c category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2008-07 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2008-07 spi global keyed and coded from proquest page images 2009-01 emma (leeson) huber sampled and proofread 2009-01 emma (leeson) huber text and markup reviewed and edited 2009-02 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion to the whole english army , and to every particular member thereof , both officers and souldiers , whether of england , scotland , or ireland ; these are for them to read , and consider , as wholesome animadversions in this day of distractions . friends , where is the good old cause now ? and what is become of it ? in whose hands doth it lie ? and where are they that truly contend for it ? as for you , have not you foregone it ? and long since trodden it under foot , and despised it , and only talked of it , but not rightly prosecuted it ; but your own cause , and not gods have you served , what do you say ? is the good old cause ceased , and clean perished ? or are you ceased to contend for it , through your unfaithfulness ? or is your strength betrayed , that you cannot plead for it as formerly ? the people of these nations thinks that you have buried the good old cause , and quite forgotten it now ; for was not the good old cause for liberty , both in spiritualls and temporalls ? was it not the ju●● freedom of all people , that was once contended for , and all tyranny , and oppression , and unju●t lawes once contended against ? and you have seemed once to be the asserters of this , and sometimes the vindicators of it , but what is become of it now ? is your zeal perished ? and where are the faithful contenders for it , seeing so many of the people of the lord , and of the free people of this nation have been , and are at this day grievous sufterers under the opressions and cruelties of men , and under unjust men , and unjust lawes ? can you be ignorant how many hundreds in these nations have wofully suffered some imprisonment , others whipping , and others banishment , and others have suffered until death , for conscience take , and without the breach of any just law ? and many great oppressions are this day abounding in the nations ; and was not the good old cause once laid down , to be against all these things ? but because of your treachery and unfaithfulnesse , and your forgetting to prosecute the good old cause , therefore have these things come to passe , and the nations lies like a wildernesse under groaning oppressions , and in confusion , and unsettled in the way of peace , which is as a weight and burden of iniquity in the fight of the lord ; and the guilt of those unjust sufferings , and of the present oppressions and distractions lies upon you principally , even as much as upon any others ; for time and power hath been in your hands to have freed the nations from bondage , but you have long turned up and down , and about , for earthly honor and self-interests ; serving mens pleasure , and have not rightly followed the good old cause , but the rather forgotten it , and neglected it , and have bowed under the lu●●s and ambition of men , and served mens private ends , and not the nations general good ; sometimes appearing for one thing and way , and sometimes for another ; and changing your way , and have been unstable and unconstant in good things , so that the nation and the good people in it , cannot any longer trust you , for there is no considence to be placed in you ; many had good hopes that some good thing might have been effected by you , when power and time was in your hands ; but you have betrayed such hopes , and are ( as ) quite changed from the good old cause ; and the nation can judge you now , to be little better then a mercinary army , that will do any thing for money , and be led about according to the wills of men ; but how long will it be e're you consider of your selves ? and how woeful you are fallen , from what you once seemed to be ; and when will you remember the good old cause ? but alas , you are divided and broken in pieces , some for one thing , and some for another ; some for an old parliament , and some for a new ; and some for a protector , like as if the names and titles of men and governments , were sufficient to redeem a nation from oppressions and miseries ; and so being divided about self-interests , and names , and for persons , you have all left the thing it self worthy to be contended for , and the good old cause is lost : and now you are for men , and you turn about at their pleasure , and are about things of no value in respect of the good old cause once laid down by you ; ( to wit ) even the perfect freedome of the nations ; and you are under a great reproach at this day among good men , and your glory is fallen in the sight of the nations , and your terror lost , and your shame appears : and because of your hypocrisie and unfaithfulness , the lord hath reproved you , and suffered a check to your ambition , and brought you under the reproof of hard-hearted men : oh that you may learn the justices of the lords judgement upon you , and may repent , that your present affliction may prove to correct and amend you , and not no destroy you utterly ; you are fallen from your first integrity , and therefore are you under shame and just reproof , and it may be enquired what is become of that zeal that once was in you , is it wholly perished out of your hearts ? and shall the lord utterly lay you aside , and never make more use of you ? is there no hope of your return to the good old cause ? when will you begin to appear for things for perfect freedome and liberty , and cease to be for names and men , while the good cause it self is lost , and the interest of oppression seems to be promoted : therefore consider , oh! what an excellent thing would it be , if you would sincerely return to the good old cause : and if you could agree among your selves , few or many of you , to state the good old cause once more in clear and plain principles , and positions ; and if you could lay down right things worthy to be contended for ; and upon which you could engage your lives , ( viz. ) even the perfect liberty of all people , and then say here is the good old cause , and here is the freedome of the nations laid down , and perfect liberty asserted unto all people whatsoever , both as men and as christians ; and these things we will vindicate , these things we will have brought to pass , and for these things we will only stand , that they may be accomplished , and neither for old parliament nor new , nor any other man nor men , but as they directly are for these things , even for the establishing of righteousness , mercy , and truth in the earth , and taking off all oppressions : and as they proceed upon , and forthwith endeavour the effecting these things ; and whoever are for these things , we are for them , and they for us ; and whosoever are against the good old cause , and perfect freedome , whether old parliament or new , or any others whatsoever , we are against them , and will ingage our lives against them . oh! if it were in the heart of every officer and private souldier in truth of heart , thus to say , and do , and to proceed , you would doubtless be blessed , whether many or few , and receive victory and honor both , if that you assert and prosecute right things for the general good of all , that peace and righteousness may be set up , and no longer serve the wills and pleasures of men , nor respect them ; no , nor give obedience to them , any further than they prosecute the just freedome of the nations : for what is it worth to be for a parliament , old or new , a protector , or any other sort of men , when they do not prosecute the right cause of freedome and liberty to the nations ? therefore consider in your selves , for if you serve your nations treacherously , the lord will meet with you one time or other in judgement , and confound you one against another ; and you shall fall , and never rise . therefore , were it not wisdome for you once more to state the good old cause , and to go through with it ; and them that are enemies to it , be you enemies to them , whether old parliament , or new , or whomsoever ? and hereby should you prosper , and the lord should be with you , when you truly appear in uprightness of heart on gods behalf , and for the ends aforesaid ; then should the presence of the lord be in your councels , and your former valour and dread should be with you , and the desires of all good people should be for you , and their councel should be extended forth on your behalf , and the servant of the lord should pray for you , and till then you can never prosper ; and this shall you witness for ever . from a lover of justice and true freedome , but a sufferer under oppression , and one that is grieved for the oppressed nations sake . e. burrough . london , the fourth of the eleventh moneth , 59. london , printed for giles calvert , and are to be sold at the black-spread-eagle at ●●e west-end of pauls . truth defended. or, certain accusations answered, cast upon us who are called quakers; by the teachers of the world, and the people of this generation. with a cleare discovery, who are the false prophets, and when they came in. and who they are that deny christ, and that preach another gospel. and who deny the scriptures, churches, ministers, and magistrates, whereby the magistrates and people of this nation may see they justifie that which the scripture condemns, and condemne that which the holy men of god justified. / by a servant of the lord, whose name in the flesh is, edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a77966 of text r207519 in the english short title catalog (thomason e808_3). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 49 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 12 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a77966 wing b6049 thomason e808_3 estc r207519 99866563 99866563 167894 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a77966) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 167894) images scanned from microfilm: (thomason tracts ; 123:e808[3]) truth defended. or, certain accusations answered, cast upon us who are called quakers; by the teachers of the world, and the people of this generation. with a cleare discovery, who are the false prophets, and when they came in. and who they are that deny christ, and that preach another gospel. and who deny the scriptures, churches, ministers, and magistrates, whereby the magistrates and people of this nation may see they justifie that which the scripture condemns, and condemne that which the holy men of god justified. / by a servant of the lord, whose name in the flesh is, edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. howgill, francis, 1618-1669. 23, [1] p. s.n., [london : 1654] imprint from wing. with a prefatory epistle signed: francis howgill. annotation on thomason copy: "aug: 8 1654". reproduction of the original in the british library. eng truthfulness and falsehood -early works to 1800. quakers -early works to 1800. a77966 r207519 (thomason e808_3). civilwar no truth defended. or, certain accusations answered, cast upon us who are called quakers;: by the teachers of the world, and the people of thi burrough, edward 1654 9429 86 0 0 0 0 0 91 d the rate of 91 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the d category of texts with between 35 and 100 defects per 10,000 words. 2007-05 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2007-06 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2008-05 jason colman sampled and proofread 2008-05 jason colman text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-09 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion truth defended . or , certain accusations answered , cast upon us who are called quakers ; by the teachers of the world , and the people of this generation . with a cleare discovery , who are the false prophets , and when they came in . and who they are that deny christ , and that preach another gospel . and who deny the scriptures , churches , ministers , and magistrates , whereby the magistrates and people of this nation may see they justifie that which the scripture condemns , and condemne that which the holy men of god justified . by a servant of the lord , whose name in the flesh is , edward burrough . the epistle . to all you who call your selves ministers of the gospel , and all people in all relations under what forme of worship soever in england , or in all the world , who professe your selves christians . the mighty day of the lord is come , according as he promised of old , and this day is witnessed , wherein he is establishing his mountaine , and exalting it above all mountaines , and is gathering his people which have been scattered in the darke and long night of apostacy , which christ and his apostles saw comming into the churches then , and hath had dominion long over the world , and hath raigned till now , and raignes now in all the professors in all formes every where . but now the time is come wherein the kingdomes of the world are become the kingdome of the lord and of his christ , and thousands witnesse it , to the prayse of his everlasting name . and therefore the nations are angry , and the princes of the earth , because michael our prince is arisen to pleade with all who make warre against him . and now herod and pilate ▪ and all ierusalem are in an uproare , and ammon ▪ and amaleck ▪ and the egyptians , and the philistines are joyned now against him . and all you who live in formes , and know not the power ▪ doe now persecute and joyne your selves together , being in the same nature as the persecuters of old , which ▪ were borne after the flesh . and now you sonnes of bondage ▪ and of hagar are to be cast out ▪ and now you are all made manifest that you are in the flesh , for all your bowes are bent , and all your arrowes are shot at a people which are counted by you as the filth of the world , and as the off-scouring of all things , whom the world calls quakers , in whose foreheads is written the name of the living god ; and unto you i say that make warre against them , and now take part with the dragon against the lambe , you shall all drinke of the cup of fury and indignation of the lord . and unto the living god , who is holy and jealous for his owne glory and his name , which hath manifested his minde and will by his eternall spirit unto us , shall you all bow and stoope . for now the lord hath rent the vayle of the covering which hath beene spread over all the nations in all professions , and you are all seen by the eternall eye which is opened in thousands , even all , from the highest to the lowest , who have stolen and painted your selves with other mens words . and all your images which you have set up , and all your traditions from men in which you have walked , are all seene to be stubble , and will not abide in the day of the lord ▪ and all your churches which you have gathered together by imitation from the letter , shall all be scattered ; and there you all are , for you all deny revelation , and say it is ceased ; and so you call the letter , the light , and the word ; but with that which was before the scripture , you are seen and judged , even with that which shall endure for ever . and seeing you have cast reproach upon the name of the god of heaven and earth , whom we worship , and which you call delusion . for the truths sake are we moved to lay open your nakednesse , that you may be judged by that which you say is your rule : here in this little booke , thou who hast any honesty in thee , or any desire of truth ▪ and wilt search the scripture , thou wilt see , that all the teachers of the world in all formes , and all professors ever cryed out ( who had but the forme ) against them who had the life and power , as you all doe now against them who worship god in the spirit , and have no confidence in the flesh . and therefore , in this following discourse , which is wretten by the same spirit that gave forth the scripture , thou shalt see who are the false prophets , and who they are that preach another gospel , and who they are that deny the scriptures . and thou may see when the false prophets came in , and who they are clearely proved to be , by their owne rules . and all you who call your selves magistrates and christians , you may see your selves to hold up that which christ , the prophets and apostles cryed out against , and persecute them who stand in the counsell of god , and them that declare against all the deceipt as the holy men of god did . and so you are the beast , which holds up the false prophets , and th●se whom the scripture declareth against . god is arisen , to dash to pieces all them who withstand him : and therefore come out of babylon , and out of all your painted formes , and come to own the first principle ▪ which will change your mindes , even the light of christ , which he hath enlightened every one withall ; and by it you shall see what you are doing . now if you deny this , you deny the corner stone , and you stumble , and shall be broken ; and by that which you call naturall , shall all your image of gold and silver , and all your mixed invented worship be dashed to peeces ▪ and be for the pit : therefore all be silent , and speake not evill of th●se things you know not ; for now you are all seen , you who say you are iewes , and are not , but are of the synagogue of satan , and your voyce is knowne , for none is turned from the evill of his way ; and therefore is wrath comming upon you to the utmost , a lover of your soules , but am a witnesse against all your deceipt . francis howgill . whereas we are accused by the teachers and people of this generation ▪ that we are false prophets , and deceivers , and that we deny the christ which dyed at ierusalem ; and that we preach another gospel then the apostles preached ; and that we deny the scriptures , and the ordinances of iesus christ ; and that we hold free-will , and establish selfe-righteousnesse , and teach people to act in their owne strength to obtaine life ; and that we deny churches , ministers , and magistracy . to these false accusations , i answer ▪ it is no new thing nor no strange thing to the children of light , who are seperated from the world , and worldly worships , and from the works of darkenesse , to be accused falsely , and to be slandered , by being called deceivers , and seducers , by the generation of chiefe priests and pharisees ; in which generation are the teachers and professors of this age , who have a forme of godlinesse , but deny the power . christ was called a deceiver , and a blasphemer ; and the apostles were called , movers of sedition , heretiques , and turners of the world upside downe , by them who professed in word what christ was in substance , and what the apostles witnessed , and so it is now . we who are scornefully called quakers , doe live in , and declare forth no other thing but the substance of what the priests have preached upon , and the professors have talked upon in their carnall mindes by their imaginations . he is a false prophet , and a deceiver , which hath not the word from the mouth of the lord , but takes that which the lord spoke to another , and calls it his , and useth his tongue , and saith , the lord saith it , when the lord never spoke to him . and here are the teachers of the world themselves , guilty of that , whereof they falsely accuse us ; for they take the prophets words ▪ christs ▪ and the apostles words to talke upon , but have not received the word from the mouth of the lord ; and their prophesie and preaching would soon be ended , if they had not the scripture , which is other mens words , and that which was spoken to others , to speake their imaginations from . and these are the false prophets , and deceivers , which runne , and are not sent , which speake to others , pretending to be sent of god , but walking contrary to all that ever god sent to declare his name in former generations , and so are knowne to us by their fruits , having no example from the prophets , christ , nor his apostles for their practice ; but doe walke in the example of the false prophets of israel , of the scribes and pharisces , and of the false brethren . o foolish people , which have eyes and see not , which have hearts , and doe not understand : is the lord changed from what he was ? were they false prophets and deceivers in isayahs time ▪ which he was sent to cry out against , which sought for their gaine from their quarter ? and are not your teachers false prophets now which act the same things ? were they false prophets and deceivers in ezekiels time , which he was sent to cry against , that fed themselves with the fat , and cloathed themselves with the wooll , and made a prey upon the people ? and are not your teachers false prophets and deceivers now , which act the same thing ? were they false prophets in michas time , which he was sent to cry out against , which preached for hire , and devined for money , and cryed peace to them that put into their mouthes , but prepared war against them that did not ? and are not your priests false priests and prophets which act the same things ? were they deceivers of the people in christs time which he cryed woe against which were called of men masters , and which had the chiefe place in the assemblyes , and which stood praying in the synagogues , and which went in long robes , and which loved greetings in the markets ? and are not your teachers deceivers of the people now , which are found acting the same things ? were they false teachers ▪ and false brethren in the apostles time , which they declared against , which through covetousnesse , with fained words made merchandise of the people , and went in the way of balaam for gifts and rewards , and preached for filthy lucre , and which paul saw come & comming in his dayes , which were proud men ▪ coveteous men , selfe-willed , and fierce men , heady , high minded men , having a forme of godlinesse , but denying the power ▪ which alwayes taught people , but none were able to come to the knowledge of the truth under their teaching ? and are not your teachers false teachers now , which are walking in the same steps ? to the light in all consciences i doe speake , which will witnes the truth . a sottish and ignorant people , which cannot discerne who the false prophets , and deceivers , and false teachers are ; the lord is the same as ever he was , and his spirit is no whi● changed : was it once an abomination to the lord in the false priests and prophets of israel to seek for their gaine from their quarter , and to feed themselves with the fat , and cloathe themselves with the wooll , and make a prey upon the people , and to preach for hire , and to divine for money ? and are not these things , and they that uphold them abomination to him now ? did the spirit of the lord in his servants declare against these things then , and against them that upheld them then ? and must not the same spirit where it is made manifest , declare against these things , and against them that uphold them now ? was it once an abomination in the sight of christ in them to be called of men master , and to have the chiefe places in the assemblyes , and to stand praying in the synagogues , &c. and are not these things an abomination to him now in whom they are upheld ? did christ cry woe against such things , and against them that upheld them then ? and must not the spirit of christ where it is made manifest , cry woe against such things , and against them that uphold them now ? were these markes of false teachers then , to make merchandise of the people , and to goe in the way of balaam for gifts and rewards , and for filthy lucre , and to be proud ▪ coveteous heady , high-minded , selfe-willed , and fierce men ? and are not they false teachers now which beare these markes . did the apostles give warning to beware of such , and to turne away from such then ? and must not the same spirit , where it is made manifest , give warning to beware of such , and to turne away from such now ? we witnes to have received according to measure , the spirit of the prophets from which they spoke ▪ and the spirit of the apostles from which they spoke , which is christ made manifest in us , and happy are all they that receive our testimony . for by the same spirit of christ doe we declare against these abominations now , as the holy men of god did then : for god and his spirit is the same as ever was , and what he once hated , he hates for ever ; and no other christ doe we declare forth which we witnes to be made manifest within , but that christ which dyed at jerusalem , which suffered by the chiefe priests and elders of the people ; he was , and is the true christ , which said , he was the light of the world , and was the light which had enlightened every one that comes into the world ; and which said , except a man would deny the world and take up his dayly crosse , and follow him , he could not be his disciple ; and which cryed woe against them which were called of men masters , and that had the chiefe places in the assemblyes , and that stood praying in the synagogues , &c. and they who denyed him to be the light of the world and which took not up the crosse , and which were called of men masters ▪ and had the chiefest places in the assemblyes , and stood praying in the synagogues , and went in long robes these were anti-christs ▪ and were acted by a contrary spirit then the true christ and here againe , i charge all the teachers and people ( in the presence of the lord god , who doe deny christ to be the light in every one which reproves for sin ) and who are called of men masters , and stand praying in the synagogues , and goe in long robes ▪ and who uphold such things , and who take not up the dayly crosse of christ , but live at liberty in their wills and desires , that they are anti-christs , and that their spirit is not the spirit of the true christ which dyed at jerusalem , but the spirit of a false christ , and so they are guilty of that themselves , whereof they falsely accuse us ; and the same christ doe we witnes which the saints of old witnessed ▪ whose blood cleansed them from all sin ▪ and in whose power , they had power over sin , death , and hell : and here again i charge the teachers and people , who say that the saints must not be cleansed from sin , nor cease to commit sin while they are on the earth , that the christ which they possesse , is not the christ which dyed at jerusalem , but a spirit contrary , and not the christ which the saints witnessed ; and all the people are blinde which cannot see these things did the true christ once say . he was the light of the world , of every man that comes into the world ? and is that his spirit in the teachers and professors now , which saith every man hath not the light of christ in them ? was that the true christ which said , except you take up my crosse dayly you cannot be my disciple ? and is that his spirit in the teachers and people , that hath its liberty , and live in pride , in lust , and in vanity , and their own vvills ? was that the true christ which cryed woe against them that were called of men master , and that had the chiefe place in the assemblyes , and stood praying in the synagogues , &c. and is that his spirit in the teachers and people which act and uphold those things ? was that the true christ which the saints witnessed , by whose blood they were cleansed from sin , and had power over sin ? and is that his spirit in the teachers and people , which saith , the saints must not be cleansed from sin , nor cease to commit sin while they are on earth ? oh blinde and ignorant people , who cannot discerne between the true christ , and anti-christ , which is contrary to christ , and which leades now to act , and speak contrary to what the true christ once acted and spoake . and no other gospel do we preach , but that which the apostle preached , which they received not from , nor by man , but by the revelation of jesus christ , which was contrary to man , and which suffered by man for the preaching of it , who preached to the spirit in prison , to redeeme the captives , and by which the fleshly man was judged in the flesh , that man might live according to god in spirit . and this gospel we witnes to have received not from man , but by the revelation of iesus christ , which is contrary to man ; for which we are persecuted and suffer by man : neither doe we speake to the wisedome and reason , but we preach to the spirits in prison , that the fleshly man may be judged in the flesh , that man may live according to god in the spirit ▪ this will many witnes with us , that by the preaching of our gospel , liberty is brought to the captives , and the fleshly man is judged , and the spirit which was in prison is set free . and here again i charge the teachers of this generation , that their gospel which they preach is not the gospel which the saints preached , but another gospel , and they are guilty of that themselves , whereof they falsely accuse us ; for they have received their gospel from man , and by man from the printers and stationers ; and are made ministers of it by the will of man at schooles and vniversities ; and their preaching is in the will of man ▪ a limited time and place ; neither doe they suffer by man , but are set up with man , and seed the wisedome and reason of man ; and the fleshly man is not judged , nor the captives redeemed by their gospel which they preach ; here they are accursed which preach another gospel according to the scripture . and ye are a blinde and ignorant people , which cannot see these things . did they that preached the true gospel receive it contrary to the will of man ? and can it now be received by the will of man ? did they which preached it , suffer for it by man ? and can they now who preach it be set up by man , who lives in the same persecuting nature ? did the true gospel once judge the fleshly man , and leade to live according to god in the spirit ? and do●h it now give liberty to the fleshly man to live after the flesh in the lusts of it , as the teachers and professors of this generation doe , who profes the gospel , but are discovered not to be come to the law ? and the scriptures we own to be a true declaration of the life which they lived in which spoke them forth , and by the same spirit from which they were spoken ( which we have received ) doe we set to our seales that they are true , and the scripture is ours , who walke in the life of it ; proud men spoke it not forth , nor they that sought for their gaine from their quarter ; nor they that preached for hire ; nor they that were called of men master ; but persecuted them that spoke it forth , and denyed it . and here againe i charge it upon the teachers and professors of this generation , that they deny the scripture , and are guilty of that themselves , whereof they falsely accuse us . for they say , none must be perfect upon the earth ; when as the scripture declares of such as were perfect . and they say , none must be free from sinne , when as the scripture declares of such , as were free from sinne , and were the servants of righteousnesse . they say , christ hath not enlightened every one ; the scripture saith , he is the light of the world , and hath lightened every one &c. can they now who live in the same persecuting nature , and walke in the same steps as they did which persecuted them who spoke forth the scripture ( as the teachers and people doe ) owne the scriptures in truth ? their professing of the scripture is as theirs was , which made a great profession of it in the outward appearance , but put him to death who had the life , and was the substance of it . they then , as the teachers of the world , doe now , denyed the spirit and life , which gave forth the scriptures . and the ordinances of jesus christ we owne and witnesse , preaching , praying ▪ baptisme , communion , singing , and whatsoever was ordained for his saints , to practice in life and power ; we witnesse these things in the eternall substance , having passed through the earthly figures , which was but to stand for its time ; by the eternall have we been led , by the command of it within us , and not by tradition , from the scripture without us . and we deny all such who have taken up these things in their owne wills , by conforming the outward man to the outward letter , and have not entered in at the doore . true preaching we owne , and doe witnesse it , which is the crosse of christ , and in the power of god , and it is foolishnesse to the world , and its wisedome now , as ever it was ; and we deny all speaking of imaginations from scripture ▪ which is in the wisedome of the world , and which stands in the will of man , limitted to a set time , or day ▪ or place . prayer by the spirit , and in the spirit we owne and witnesse , whi●h is not limitted to a time and place . and we deny all the worlds formall customary preaching , and praying for a pretence . baptisme we owne , and witnesse , wich is with one spirit , into one body , into the death of christ . and we deny all baptismes which are imagined and immitated by conforming the outward man to the outward letter , which is but a likenesse of the true baptisme communion we live in , which is in the light by the spirit , which will endure eternally . and we deny the worlds imitation , which is in word and declaration ▪ and visible carnall things which will passe away . singing which is with the spirit , and with understanding of the redeemed of the lord , we owne and witnesse : but the worlds singing in rime and meeter ; proud men singing , that they are not pufe in minde ; and prophane men singing ▪ that the law of god is deare to them ; this singing we deny , for it must be turned into howling , the lord hath said it . and here againe i charge it upon the teachers of the world , that they deny the substance and power of what christ commands his saints to practice by , upholding their owne imitations , and so deceiving the simple : but where the substance is witnessed , the figure is indeed , and the false imitations are discovered , and denyed . and mans free-will we doe deny , for the will of man shall never enter to god , but leades out from god into the lust , and into the flesh , and keeps in the power of the devill : and man hath free will unto that which is evill , but not to that which is good ; and all who follow christ , the light of the world , must deny their owne wills , and take up the crosse of christ which is to the will , and walke in the light contrary to the will , in the straite way which leades unto life , which is out of the will of man in the will of god , which the will of man doth resist and oppose . and i charge it upon the teachers and professors who doe not witnesse the dayly crosse of christ , that they live in their owne free-will , and holds it up , and are led by it into pride and covetousnesse , and the lusts of the flesh which stand in the will . and here they are guilty of that themselves whereof they falsely accuse us , living in their owne free-will , and walke not in the dayly crosse of christ . and selfe-righteousnesse we have denyed , and have seen it in the same light which isayah did to be as filthy raggs ; and we declare against it ▪ and against them which live in it ; for selfe must not be saved ▪ it is accursed from god , it is wholly unrighteous ( and makes the best of actions so ) and is ▪ and must be cast out from god christ jesus made manifest and revealed in us , is our righteousnesse , and selfe is judged and condemned by him who is made unto us righteousnesse ; nei●her doe we teach people to labour in their owne strength to obtaine life ▪ but doe direct people to the light of christ within them , which walking in ▪ will be strength to them to leade them to life , the light which is of christ , to which we direct all to waite in to be taught by ; it will leade out of selfe-righteousnesse , and from under the power of selfe , to witnesse the power of god , to leade , and to act , and to witnesse christ jesus revealed the righteousnesse of god and the church which is in god , which is the body of christ whereof christ is head , we witnesse ▪ and are members of it , gathered and joyned by the eternall spirit , and not by tradition in the wisedome of man . and we deny all the vvorlds churches whereof they were made members by , by visible things without , and were gathered by tradition ▪ whereof the serpent is head , and not christ , and which is the body of anti-christ , some of whom commit idolatry in an idols temple : and the ministry of this church we deny , for it stands in the will of man ▪ and the ministers of it are such as all the servants of the lord witnessed against ; the churches the ministry , and the ministers , are contrary to god ; but the ministry which is to the seed ▪ which is out of the will of man , we owne and witnesse , which ministers life unto life , and death unto death , and divides the word aright , judgement to the fat , and to the strong ; and feeds the hungry , and looseth the bands of wickednesse , and breaks not the bruised reed , nor quenches the smoaking flax ; this ministry we deny not , but are friends unto it ; and who are ministers here ▪ we have union withall ; but proud men and such as are called of men master , are cast out of this ministry , and are ministers to the body of anti-christ , and know not the ministery of the ministry of jesus christ as this to the spirit in prison . magistrates and magistracy we deny not , but doe give respect unto for conscience sake ; for who beares the sword of justice ▪ who use their power to be a terror to the wicked , and for the prayse of them that doe well , are ministers of god , and we desire that there were more magistracy here , and that the magistrate would more use his power to be a terror to lyers , to swearers , to drunkards , to raylers , to false accusers , and to proud men and oppressors , this we are friends unto : but to such as act by their owne wills in corrupt lawes , and doe thereby violence to the innocent , and strengthens the hands of evill doers ▪ we cannot be subject , but choose rather ( then to transgresse the law of god which is written in our hearts , by submitting to such mens wills and lawes ) to suffer by the corrupt wills of men ▪ under corrupt lawes . and thus i have answered those false accusations which are cast upon us , and doe declare it be the same spirit in the teachers and people of this generation which accuseth us ▪ as it was in the scribes and pharisees which accused christ and his disciples . and this the scripture witnesseth unto , as they did unto him , so would they doe unto us . a further answer to that accusation of being false prophets and deceivers . jesus christ prophesied and said , that in the last dayes should many false prophets arise , and should deceive many , if it were possible the very elect. now the teachers and people of this generation doe say ▪ that we ( who by the world are called quakers ) are those false prophets and deceivers , which christ prophefied of . of this their false accusation have they drunkards , lyars , swearers , and all the ungodly people in every profession to witnesse them . but their accusation , and their witnesses we doe deny , though they preach it among the people for doctrine . and now in answer to this false accusation and slander i am moved to write a little , and shall to that principle of god in every mans conscience cleare my conscience , and declare what i know from god concerning those false prophets , who they are ▪ when they came in , and how they may be knowne ; and shall leave it to every honest heart to consider of . the apostles ▪ and ministers of jesus christ saw the same false prophets which christ prophesied of to be come , and comming in , in their dayes ; iohn said , by that they knew it was the last time ; for ▪ said he , even now are there many anti-christs and false prophets gone out into the world ; such vvere they , who confessed not christ to be come in the flesh , and they were of the world and spoke of the world and the world heard them . now here i charge it upon the teachers of the world ▪ that they are of that generetion which went out into the world then ; for as they then confessed not christ to be come in the flesh , so these uphold those things vvhich vvere under the law ▪ vvhich vvas before christ came in the flesh outwardly , and so confesse him not to be come in the flesh ; and so they are anti-christ . they uphold an outward temple , and an outward worship , and take tythes , as the priests under the law did , as a type and figure of christ ; but when he vvas come , and sacrificed , these things ( which were to stand for a time ) were put to an end . and none who witnessed christ come , and were sent by him to preach the gospel , did uphold those things , but witnessed forth the substance , and denyed the figure ; they denyed the outward temple , and witnessed they were the temples of god , and that god dwelt in them , and denyed the outward worship and witnessed the worship of god in spirit , and in truth within them , ( for they who worshipped without , worshipped they knew not what , as they doe now ) and they desired to take tythes , and lived of the gospel , and said , they that preached it , should live of it ; but the teachers of this generation are of the world , living in its pride , lusts , and vanities ; and they who live in the same worldly nature , uphold them , and heare them . iohn also said , every spirit that confesseth not christ to be come in the flesh , is anti-christ . and here i charge it upon the teachers of the world that their spirit of pride , and covetousnesse , and envy , and hypocrisie which rules in them , is the spirit of anti-christ , and confesseth not christ to be come in the flesh , for where he is made manifest , and come in the flesh , this spirit is destroyed ; for ( as saith the scripture ) he was made manifest to destroy the workes of the devill . paul was also a vvitnesse of the false prophets and deceivers which christ prophefied of in his time , for he gave warning , to beware of such ▪ and to turne away from such whom he saw then come , and comming in , but came more fully in after his dayes ; he said of this sort , they were lovers of themselves , covetous , proud , heady , high-minded , fierce men , and despisers of those that were good given to filthy lucre , and to pleasure , and were false accusers and blasphemers , and without naturall affection , and unthankefull , and unholy , and taught filly women , who were led with divers lusts , but were not able to come to the knowledge of the truth by their teaching : they were men of corrupt minds , and reprobate concerning faith . and here againe i charge it upon the teachers of the vvorld , that they are of that generation which came in then , for they are lovers of themselves , they take money of poore people to whom they are more able to give ; and they are proud and covetous men ▪ they goe in their ribbons and cuffes , and gaudy attire ; and they preach to them vvhere they can get most money ; and some takes money of them , and sues them at the law , to vvhom they preach not at all : they are heady and high-minded men , for poore people bow to them in the streets , and call them masters : they are fierce men , and despise those that are good ; if any speake against them ( of the truth ) they are fierce against , and despise such ; and they are given to filthy lucre , and are lovers of pleasure , for vvhere they can have most money , there they will abide ; and they live in pleasure ▪ in idlenesse , and lust , and vanity ; they are false accusers , they vvill call them deceivers which are not ; and that blasphemy , which is not ; and they are blasphemers , and vvithout naturall affection . they say the letter is the word , and the scripture the light , vvhich is blasphemy ; for god is the word , and christ is the light ; and they vvill suffer the rude multitude , and some vvill set them upon it to haile , beate , and strike out of their assemblyes , vvhich is vvithout naturall affection ; they are unthankefull , and unholy ; they have great summes of money from the people , and are not thankefull , but compell them by a law to pay them ; and herein they are unholy by their actions vvhich are declared ; and they teach alwayes , but men and vvomen are ignorant still , and none able to come to the knowledge of the truth by them : and they have a forme of godlinesse : they professe the scriptures that the children of the lord are taught of the lord ; and that christ said , take no thought what to eate , nor what to drinke , nor wherewith to be cloathed . but vvho vvitnesse themselves taught of god , and that they need no man to teach them ; and that take no care vvhat to eate , nor vvhat to drinke , nor vvhat to put on , and so vvitnesse the promise of god , and abide in the doctrine of christ , these you call deceivers , and idle , and carelesse persons , and thus deny the power of vvhat they have professed ; and herein their minds are corrupt and reprobate concerning faith ; for faith is the substance , and purifies the heart from these things vvhich they are guilty of . and peter and jude also vvere vvitnesses of those deceivers and false prophets vvhich christ prophefied of in their time ; for , they saw such vvere come , and comming in , which should bring in damnable heresies ▪ and through covetousnesse , with faigned words , make merchandise of the people ; they walke after the flesh in the lust ▪ of uncleannesse , and despise government , and dominion : presumptuous are they , selfe ▪ willed , they are not afraid to speake evill of dignities 〈◊〉 they speake evill of the things that they understand not ; they have eyes full of adultery , and that cannot cease from sinne , begniling unstable soules ; an heart ▪ they have exercised with covetous practises ; cursed children , which have ▪ forsaken the right way , and are gone astray , following the way of balaam , who loved the wages of unrighteousnesse , they themselves are the servants of corruption , ungodly men , turning the grace of god into laciviousnesse , and defile the flesh : these are murmurers , complainers , walking after their owne lusts , and their mouthes speaking great swelling words , having mens persons in admiration because of advantage ; there be they who seperate themselves , sensuall , having not the spirit . and here againe i charge it upon the teachers of this age , that they are of that generation vvhich came into the world then ; for they have brought in , and doe uphold damnable heresies , telling people , that sprinkling infants with water is the baptisme into the faith ; and that singing davids experiences in rime and meeter , is singing to the glory of god ; and that a house of stone is the temple and church of god ; these are damnable heresies : and they doe through covetousnesse , make merchandise of the people ; if they can get more money at another place , thither they will goe ; and thus people are their merchandise : they walke after the flesh in the lusts of uncleannesse ; they walke in pride and in lust , and som● of ●hem will be drunke , and lye , and sweare , and talke ●n●●●●ly ▪ and they despise the saints government and d 〈…〉 for they walke in the wayes of the world , in the customes and traditions of men , and follow their owne wills ) and whom the spirit of god governes , and hath dominion over , followes christ for their example , whose government and dominion they are under . but they live in pride , lust , and vanity , and according to the flesh , and herein they despise government and dominion , and speake evill of this dignity , and of the mysteries of god revealed in his saints , which they know not , nor understand not , calling it error ; they are presumptuous and selfe-willed ; they have presumed to call themselves ministers of christ , and all the townes where they live must serve , and be subject to their wills . and they are adulterated from god after honour and riches , and the vanities of the world ; and they cannot cease from sinne themselves ; for they say , none must cease from it while they are on the earth ; and herein they beguile many soules ; for , till sin be ceased from the soule , it is beguiled ▪ they have a heart exercised with covetous practises , and they follow the way of balaam , and goe for gifts and rewards ▪ and love the wages of unrighteousnesse : they take money of poore people for sprinkling infants ▪ and for burying the dead , which are covetous practises : they take money for henns and eggs , and for smoake passing up the chimney , which are unrighteous wages ; and thus they have forsaken the right way , the way of god , and of all the saints which spoke forth the scripture ; and in these things , they are servants of corruption , and are ●dgodly men , and turne the grace of god , ( which shines in their consciences , which shewes them their ungodly wayes ) into laciviousnesse ; and through their lust they defile the flesh : and many of them will murmure , and complaine for want of wages , even to spend upon their lusts ; and they speake great swelling words , speaking of the fame of christ , of his life , and death , and resurrection , but cannot witnesse by the spirit of christ within them what they speake of him : and they have mens persons in admiration , because of advantage : some of them had the bishops in admiration , and some the king in admiration ▪ and now they have others who beare rule in admiration ; and thus they deceitfully have twined to admire mens persons onely because of advantage , many of them have seperated themselves , none who are not of their judgement , must joyne with them in their worship , but neither they , nor their seperates have the spirit of the living god , but doe deny an infallible spirit : and they are sensuall in their wisedome , and wayes , and practises , and these have deceived many , even whole nations . and here you see plainely when the deceivers and false prophets came in ; they were come , and comming in , in the apostles dayes , and then was the prophesie of christ fulfilling and fulfilled : and the apostles suffered under tyrants , and were put to cruell deaths , and then they came in more fully ; for since the apostles dayes hath been a great apostacy , and many formes of worship and wayes of religion have been imitated from the letter through imaginations , and but one generation of teachers ▪ though one above another , in the comprehension and sensuall wisedome , and at enmity one against another , though all in one birth and nature . but they are all discovered by the light , prayses ( from all that know god ) unto him for ever since the apostles dayes hath darknesse been spread over all , though the lord had some which he preserved for himselfe in the middest of apostacy and darkenesse ; who the false prophets are which christ prophesied of to every honest heart and single eye may be known ; christ said ▪ by their fruits should they be knowne ; and the fruits of the teachers of the world are plainely made appeare to be the fruits of deceivers , and not of the ministers of christ ; none have gathered grapes nor figgs from them . and thus i have cleared my conscience in the presence of god concerning the false slander and accusation which the teachers and people of the world doe cast upon us ; and to that in every ones conscience it is made appeare who they are to whom this accusation justly belongs . woe unto all you who strive against the lord , and justifie that which the holy men of god which spoke forth the scripture in the scripture , declared against ; and which condemne that which the holy men of god in the scripture justified ▪ and witnessed for : you who live in pride , in covetousnesse , in double-dealing , and in hypocrysie , and in the lusts of the flesh , ▪ you strive against the lord god , and against the light of god which is in your consciences , which shewes you these things to be sinne ; you resist the drawings of the father , which would draw you by the light to follow the sound : woe and desolation is to come upon all you who will not be taught by the light of christ which he hath lightened you withall ; which light all the holy men of god were taught by , who gave forth the scriptures , but doe set up teachers without you , such as all the holy men of god , the prophets , christ and his apostles declared against . oh blinded , stiffe-necked people , which are not ashamed to call such ministers of christ ▪ and of the gospel ( and by your corrupt wills and laws to ▪ defend them ) which seeke for their gaine from their quarter , and which feed themselves with the fat , and cloathe themselves with the wooll ; and which preach for hire , and divine for money , and prepare warre against them that put not into their mouthes : here you justifie such as the prophets of the lord were sent to cry against , and deny isayah , ezechiel , and micha to be true prophets ; for if you did beleeve that they spoke from the mouth of the lord , the word of the lord , then would you not uphold them which act those things which they declared against ; for that which was abomination to the lord then , is abomination to him now ; and that spirit which declared against these things then , cannot uphold them now . and here the teachers and people are tryed , not to have the same spirit which was in the holy prophets of the lord , but the spirit of the false prophets ▪ acting by it that which they acted , which the true prophets cryed against ; and thus by upholding that which the lord sent his servants to declare against . you striue against the lord ye magistrates and people . and you are not ashamed to call such ministers of christ which ( walk in the same steps , and act those things that they did , which christ cryed woe against ) are called of men masters , and have the chiefe places in the assemblyes , and stand praying in the synagogues , and goe in long robes , and love greetings in the markets , as they did ; here you justifie such as christ cryed woe against , and deny that christ spoke the truth what was the minde of his father ; for if you did beleeve that he spoke the will of his father , then would ye not uphold these that act the same things which he cryed woe against . and he changes not , that which he once cryed against , the same spirit where it is witnessed , cryes against the same things . and here againe the teachers of the world are tryed not to have the spirit of christ , but the spirit of the scribes and pharisces , who act that which they acted , which he cryed woe against . and herein magistrates and people strive against the lord god , by upholding that which christ cryed woe against . and such who are ministers of christ , and walke in his doctrine , and in the same steps , which he and his apostles walked in , witnessing for that which they witnessed , for and against that which they witnessed against them you call deceivers , and false prophets , and accuse them for vagabonds , and wandering beggars , and idle , and carelesse persons ; and that they have left their families , and carelessely wander up and downe . and herein you magistrates and people strive against the lord , by persecuting , and slandering ▪ and falsely accusing ▪ and condemning such as the scripture justifies , and the servants of the lord which spoke forth the scripture doe witnesse of to be true . what would you have called christ , who had no where to lay his head ? he was no vagabond , nor idle , not carelesse person . and what would you have called the apostles and ministers of christ , who had lost their families and callings , and went up and downe , and had no certaine dwelling place , but went from city to city , and cared not for the world ; not what to eate , nor what to drink , nor wherewith to be cloathed ? this they did , and yet were no vagabonds , nor idle , nor carelesse persons , but abode in the doctrine of christ ; they were hated by your generation , as we are now by you : and they were called pestilent fellowes , and movers of sedition , and haretiques , and men of erronious judgements : and they said , they were troublers of their cities , as you doe now call us false prophets and deceivers i doe declare this generation to be the same which persecuted the prophets , christ , and his apostles , as it doth persecute us ; for by the same power we stand , as they did ; and by the same power we are commanded and acted , as they were : and to the power by which we stand , and are commanded , shall all the powers of men , and of the earth bow , and be subject . o all you magistrates and people consider of your blindenesse , and ignorance , who doe absolutely justifie and uphold such as the scripture declares and witnesses against ; and doe condemne and persecute such as the scripture justifies , and witnesses of ; and doe put them out of your synagogues and villages ; search the prophets , and christs , and the apostles writings , in them you may reade your example , and our example . the vengeance of god you cannot fly , his fierce wrath will come upon you , and weeping , and bowling , and lamentation , and misery will be your portion . o tremble to thinke upon your ignorance , to what purpose have you made a profession of the scriptures , who justifie those things , and those men , which it plainely declares against ; and condemne those practises and those men , which it plainly witnesseth of . repent , and take warning betime , before the decree of the lord of hosts be sealed against you , for i have cleared my conscience , in letting you see your owne ignorance , and blindenesse , ye magistrates and people : and thus you are left without excuse , whether you will heare , or forbeare . finis . to you that are called anabaptists in the nation of ireland teachers and people, who profess your selves to be the church of christ; this is the word of the lord god unto you. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30553 of text r214915 in the english short title catalog (wing b6042). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 14 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 4 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30553 wing b6042 estc r214915 99826961 99826961 31373 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30553) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 31373) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 1882:9) to you that are called anabaptists in the nation of ireland teachers and people, who profess your selves to be the church of christ; this is the word of the lord god unto you. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 7, [1] p. s.n., [london : 1657] caption title. signed at end: e. burrough. imprint from wing. reproduction of the original in the friends house library, london. eng anabaptists -ireland -early works to 1800. anabaptists -controversial literature -early works to 1800. a30553 r214915 (wing b6042). civilwar no to you that are called anabaptists in the nation of ireland teachers and people, who profess your selves to be the church of christ; this is burrough, edward 1657 2836 4 0 0 0 0 0 14 c the rate of 14 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the c category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 spi global keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-07 judith siefring sampled and proofread 2004-07 judith siefring text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-10 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion to you that are called anabaptists in the nation of ireland teachers and people , who profess your selves to be the church of christ ; this is the word of the lord god unto you. you are gathered and not in the spirit of jesus , nor in the light of christ , nor in the power of god ; you are separated but not in the truth , nor in the ground , for the defiled and uncircumcised nature of the world stands alive in you , & you are in the uncrucified estate , in the dominion of death , & under the power of sin : pride , covetousness , hypocrisie , vainglory , and the workes of the flesh abound among you ; to the light in you which christ hath lightned you with all , i doe speake , which shall beare witness for me herein ; and against you in the day of the lord which suddenly comes upon you and all the world , who are not in the light and power of god : you are bowing down to the jmage in the fained hippocrisie , of what the saints injoyed and witnessed in the life & power of god : you never came truly through the ministration of moses which reveales wrath upon the uncircumcised , nor you never came to the ministration of iohn , who is a burning light and brings down the mountaines , and prepares the way of the lord before his face , but you are in your taken out observances from the letter , as the jews were , but gainsayes and opposes the life of god as they did , and in that nature you stand which put christ to death , who doth not own the light whereby he lighteth every man that comes into the world , though him & his words and ordinances you profess , and performes your own immitations , in your fleshly wills , and not the worship of god in the spirit , and in the truth , for the truth you are strangers too : which the divell nor the wicked abides not in , and are alienated in your mindes from the way and councell of the living god , and hath but the name that you live ; and are dead in trespasses & in sins , and the jmage of god doth not live in you , and you have but the forme of godliness in your sensuall understandings , in that wisdome which is divelish ; & your dead mindes are exercised in the forme without the power , in vaine shewes in set dayes and in set observances , glorying in the flesh , seeking and receiving praise of men , and is but as the jew , outward whose house of worship and sacrifice is left desolate and you know not the pure moveings and leadings of the pure spirit of the lord god to rule you , and to teach you in the way of peace , because you doe not beleeve in the light which christ jesus hath lightned you and every man in the world withall , but doth gainsay it , and strive against it , in your high thoughts , and imaginations to your own condemnation in the sight of god : who are wise in your own conceits , and righteous in your own eye , and measures your selves and not with the rule of judgement . but this is the condemnation of you , & al the world that light is come & hath shined in your darke hearts , but darknes and the workes thereof is loved rather then the light , you say you are not of the world ; but what doe you differ from it , in doctrine , or in worship , or in conversation : doth not pride and vanity , and selfe seeking , rule in many of you ? yea , to your shame might i mention the abominations which i have seen among you ; who often beheld your devotions , to the unknown god , and was an eye witness of your idolitries , and even while you profest to be gathered out of the world , you are wallowing in its filthiness , and drinking deeply of its polutions , in envie , in wrath , and in bitterness , and in all eivill , not like members of the body of christ ; but may justly be judged many of you to be the sinagogues of satan ; who say you are members of christ and are not , for you are tried and are found wanting before the lord , and your pastors & teachers , they goe before you and are examples in iniquity , unto you , and are guilty of your transgression , and you of theirs , for you hold them up , and loves to have these things so ; and they through lies , and lightness causes you to erre . and so the blinde leads the blinde till you both fall into the ditch of perdition : and they may be ashamed , of you who are in ignorance , and blindness of heart , w●o have not learned the way of truth and righteousness , nor come to the knowledge of god ; nor denied your selves and sins , and you may be ashamed of them , who are as they that feed themselves with the fat , and not the flocke , & that through covetousness by fained words , makes marchandise of soules : and goes for gifts , and rewards , as balaam , and while they condemne others for hirelings , are manyfold guilty themselves therein , & to be condemned & judged , with the light of christ jesus ; witness some of your chiefest pastors and teachers , at dublin , at limbricke , and at corke , and at many places else where in ireland ; some having a hundred pounds a yeare , & others more or less , to their shame let this be told , and to their condemnation in the light of god , & all that know him who are hippocritticall in crieing against others for that whereof themselves are guilty , and are an ill savor and a reproach to some of their own brethren ; and a shame to religion and to all that profess faith in the gospell of christ ; and are out of the example , of all the appostles and ministers of christ : who freely recived and freely gave , and did not seeke and receive maintenance from the powers of the earth , but preached the gospell , and lived of the gospell , & eate of the fruit of the vinyard which they had planted . but your pastors are in the example of the false brethren , who taught for filthy lucar and with faigned words beguiled the simple , and while you have been zealous to pull drown the episcopall priests ; you have exalted your selues in their seates , some of you in the same temples ; with large aditions ( by oppressions ) to their maintenances , and hath the wages of unrighteousness as balaam , and goes for gifts & rewards ; and is not this a shame to you to be laid to your charge , appearing more vile in deepe hippocrisie then your predecessors , in publique prophaness ; to the light in your consciences i speake , which shall witness this to be true in the presence of god , who condemns al your workes and worships in that nature acted : who worships in your carnall mindes , in the idols temples , some of you as the priests of the world doe , upholding the worship of the beast , under another name , & you are as bitter and envious , in blind zeale as the prophane world : against any that differs from you in iudgement , or that comes among you to declare the word of the lord ; witness at dublin , kilkenny , corke , and else where , where the servants of the lord were halled out of your assemblies and evill entreated , with mockings and cruell words , to your shame for ever may this be rehersed : who while you profess a separation from the world , are one with it in wickedness , as in lieing , slandering , false accusing , reproaching and promise breaking , witness at waterford and else where ; whose lies and eivill speeches , might evidently be declared , to your shame , and of those with many other of your abominations , which i have seen in you , i am a witness against , and your iniquities are not found upon secret search only : but openly in all those things , & hereby in the presents of the liveing god i doe warne you , of the righteous judgements of the just god , who hath seen and taken notice of your hippocrisie & naughtyness , and desemulation with god and men , and that uprightness which once was in you , have you betrayed for selfe ends and earthly intrests , & have set up your selves in places of honor , and are not in the light nor life of god , but enemies to the light of iesus christ ; where with he lighteth every man that comes into the world ; & you are out of church order , in the confusion of your own hearts , in divers oppinions , and not of one heart and minde , but stumbles at the light ; and rejects the foundation , and hath hearts and cannot understand : your understandings being shut up from the knowledge of the truth , gainsaying the councell of the lord in your sensuall wisdome , and opposing the way of truth to your own confounding , witness at waterford , corke , and other places , where some of you were taken in your own craftiness , to your shame , when you set your selves against the lord , and ioyned your selves with the wicked , & be came one with the priests , in opposing the life and power of truth , as herod and pilot , became friends in the persecuting of jesus ; where you uttered forth much blindness , and parverted the scriptures to your own confoundings , as many can witness , now these things i write , not altogether to shame you , but rather to reprove them in you ; that you may reade and consider , and repent and may turne from your dead idoll worship , and hippocritticall teachers and false wayes , to serve and worship the living god in the newness of the spirit , and in the power of truth in it selfe , and noe more may seeke the kingdome of god in observances , for it comes not with outward observances saith christ : but the kingdom of heaven is within you , to be revealed in the light and truth in all that beleeve in the light of the world . therefore be cause you are gathered to gether , and not by the spirit of the lord , nor in the light , you shall be broken and your alters of immittations , and vaine traditions , shall be thrown downe and you into confusion shall be turned , for you have the saints words , and practises , but the life you are without ; and the spirit that gave forth the scriptures you have not received , with which the scripture is only understood : but you take on things in your own wills , and performes a sacrifice which is not regarded of the lord . how proud are some of you , and how vaine glorious , and how covetous and selfe seeking , of the glory of this world , giving and seeking honor of men , not like members of christs body , but of an harlot ; not like them that take up the dayly cross of christ , or that deny the world : but as them that seeke after it ; and layes up treasure in it , who seekes the praises of men , as much as the praise of god ; and gives and receives honor one of another ; as the gentiles , and seekes not the honor that comes from god only ; and so are out of the covenant of life , and out of the bond of peace , in strife & contention , and false oppinions , and judgements , and out of the power of god in the forme and likeness of things without life , professing the scriptures in the spirit of error , and your ministry be gets into the forme and not into the power of righteousness , and differs not from the ministry of the world in the ground , but is death and reapes not the life , to bring any unto god . woe unto you hippocrits , the mighty day of the lord , is coming upon you , and your desolation comes as an armed man , the witness of god in your consciences is mine , and to it i speake , it beares my voyce and shall answer for me , and against you , in the day of recompence , therefore to the light of christ jesus , which he hath given you , turne in your mindes , your workes of darkness it will reprove and make manifest , and be not stout hearted neither count your selves unworthy of eternall life : come downe and sit in the dust , and cease from your idols , and from your imitations , and lay down your crownes at the feet of jesus ; who is the light of the world , and lighteth every man that comes into the world ; if you love it ▪ you will bring your deeds to it ; it will let you see your owne conditions , into which you are fallen from the life of god , through disobedience and are in the transgression and not reconciled to god ; for that enmity stands in you against him , above the seed of god , & the dayly cross you doe despise , and are in your plasures and vanities , and knowes not the covenant of peace and rest , where the saints dwell ; wherefore bow down your uncircumsised eare , to the light ▪ and let the lord god search your hearts with his light , and it will discover to you the way in which you ought to walke ; and that which you ought to denie : and this light is your way to christ and to the baptisme of christ , where the cleane water is received , which washeth a way sin , and the bread of life is received which nurisheth up unto god , and unto eternall life ; & in the light you will receive the true satisfaction to your soules , and of the lord you will receive teaching , in the spirit from him ; who is that minister of the covenant of life , and here is your way out of the world ; and into the pure separation from its wayes , and workes , and nature , into the fellowship of christ jesus : and one with another which is in the light , and in the truth , which noe uncleane thing hath any part in ; but the liars , and the proude , and the covetous , and the vaine glorious , shall have their portion in the lake , that burnes in the indignation of god ▪ wherefore , awake awake , ye that sleep in the darke night of ignorance ; heare ye deafe , and looke ye blinde , the day of the lord cometh upon you , and the pretious from the vile will he separate ; by his everlasting word of judgement , and in love to all your soules ; this is a warning from the lord and is the word of the lord god unto you , whether you will heare or forebeare , and with the light in all your consciences , this shall be witnessed when your judgement is read , and remember you are warned in your life time . by a friend and lover of all your soules , but a witness against all your deceits . e : bvrrovgh . a true description of my manner of life of what i have been in my profession of religion, and what i am at present, by the grace of god / this was given forth some time before that faithful servant of god laid down his body, who was known amongst many, by the name of edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 1663 approx. 17 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 6 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. text creation partnership, ann arbor, mi ; 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(eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30555) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 52811) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 861:26) a true description of my manner of life of what i have been in my profession of religion, and what i am at present, by the grace of god / this was given forth some time before that faithful servant of god laid down his body, who was known amongst many, by the name of edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 11 p. printed for robert wilson, london : 1663. reproduction of original in huntington library. cf. smith. friends' books, v. 1, p. 366. created by converting tcp files to tei p5 using tcp2tei.xsl, tei @ oxford. re-processed by university of nebraska-lincoln and northwestern, with changes to facilitate morpho-syntactic tagging. gap elements of known extent have been transformed into placeholder characters or elements to simplify the filling in of gaps by user contributors. eebo-tcp is a partnership between the universities of michigan and oxford and the publisher proquest to create accurately transcribed and encoded texts based on the image sets published by proquest via their early english books online (eebo) database (http://eebo.chadwyck.com). the general aim of eebo-tcp is to encode one copy (usually the first edition) of every monographic english-language title published between 1473 and 1700 available in eebo. eebo-tcp aimed to produce large quantities of textual data within the usual project restraints of time and funding, and therefore chose to create diplomatic transcriptions (as opposed to critical editions) with light-touch, mainly structural encoding based on the text encoding initiative (http://www.tei-c.org). the eebo-tcp project was divided into two phases. the 25,363 texts created during phase 1 of the project have been released into the public domain as of 1 january 2015. anyone can now take and use these texts for their own purposes, but we respectfully request that due credit and attribution is given to their original source. users should be aware of the process of creating the tcp texts, and therefore of any assumptions that can be made about the data. text selection was based on the new cambridge bibliography of english literature (ncbel). if an author (or for an anonymous work, the title) appears in ncbel, then their works are eligible for inclusion. selection was intended to range over a wide variety of subject areas, to reflect the true nature of the print record of the period. in general, first editions of a works in english were prioritized, although there are a number of works in other languages, notably latin and welsh, included and sometimes a second or later edition of a work was chosen if there was a compelling reason to do so. image sets were sent to external keying companies for transcription and basic encoding. quality assurance was then carried out by editorial teams in oxford and michigan. 5% (or 5 pages, whichever is the greater) of each text was proofread for accuracy and those which did not meet qa standards were returned to the keyers to be redone. after proofreading, the encoding was enhanced and/or corrected and characters marked as illegible were corrected where possible up to a limit of 100 instances per text. any remaining illegibles were encoded as <gap>s. understanding these processes should make clear that, while the overall quality of tcp data is very good, some errors will remain and some readable characters will be marked as illegible. users should bear in mind that in all likelihood such instances will never have been looked at by a tcp editor. the texts were encoded and linked to page images in accordance with level 4 of the tei in libraries guidelines. copies of the texts have been issued variously as sgml (tcp schema; ascii text with mnemonic sdata character entities); displayable xml (tcp schema; characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or text strings within braces); or lossless xml (tei p5, characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or tei g elements). keying and markup guidelines are available at the text creation partnership web site . eng burrough, edward, 1634-1662. society of friends. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-01 aptara keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-02 mona logarbo sampled and proofread 2004-02 mona logarbo text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a true description of my manner of life , of what i have been in my profession of religion unto this very day : and what i am at present , by the grace of god. this was given forth some time before that faithful servant of god laid down his body , who was known amongst many , by the name of edward bvrrovgh . london , printed for robert wilson in the year , 1663. a true description of my manner of life , of what i have been in my profession of religion unto this very day ; and what i am at present , by the grace of god. i was brought up , and educated by my natural parents in profession of religion , according to the customes and traditions of this nation , in saying prayers , professing the scriptures , and hearing men speak upon them : and i was exercised in the formal worship then upheld , to read , and hear , and sing , and pray , according to tradition : and this was about the time when prelacy was going down ; but i was wanton and leight , and lived in pleasures , and without the fear of god , and knew nothing of him but by hear-say , and tradition . neither was i then zealous for what i professed ; but when i grew up towards twelve years of age , something of god stirred in my mind and understanding , and shewed me , that there was a higher thing , and that this was darkness , and not at all the worship of the living god , but ignorance , and without his knowledge . and then i sought after , and followed the cheifest presbyterian preists in the country , and would have gone several miles to have heard one of the best of them , which seemed liker truth than the other ; such was then my thirstings and desire after god , out of the sincerity of my heart , which were begotten in me : so i followed the highest of the priests and professors of that form , and grew in favour with them , and was owned among them as religious , ( then i left off some small part of my leightness and vanity ) and sober-minded , as having somthing of the fear of god before me : then ( through my industry in reading and hearing , and writing notes ) i gathered much knowledge from the scriptures of that sound and report of things without me , as of christ jesus , his life , his dying and rising , &c. which i applied in may self , to have peace thereby ( as i thought ; ) but it was in the enmity against god in my nature all this while , and unregenerate , though grown very zealous in prayer , and duties , and performances ; highly respecting the sabbath day , and my duties , and the like : so that thus i became a scorn to many of my acquaintance , and was reproached by the name of a round-head , and such like . but as i grew up in wisdom and knowledge , so into pride , and high-mindedness , and forgat the simplicity , and left the former innocency ; and so was kept and continued in ignorance of the living truth , and but groping as a blind man , not knowing whether i went. then when i was about sixteen years of age , it pleased the lord to shew himself a little more to me ; and i was stricken with great terrours many times , and judgment was set up in me ; and my wisdom and former knowledge was much confounded ; and my observing of my former duties of righteousness was become dead , and dry , and empty to me : for when i had been praying , i heard the voice oft , thou art ignorant of god , thou knowest not where he is , nor what he is ; to what purpose is thy prayer ? and very often much fear and dread came upon me , and broke me off from prayer many times ; and trouble came thick into my mind , and fearfulness fell many times upon me ; weeping and crying took hold of me ; and i was stricken off my former delights that i had loved ; and what i had gathered into my wisdom ( as of experiences , and the knowledge of god ) died in me : and for a time i left off reading the scriptures ; for it was shewed me , that i was ignorant of the true god ; neither knew , nor understood what i read : the beauty of all things vanished , and i had no pleasure in anything : even the preaching of those whom i had formerly delighted to hear , was withered to me , and became empty and barren , and he burthen of sin lay heavy upon me . and many a time i sate down alone weeping and sorrowing , and separated my self from the vain wayes of the world , and from vain worldly people , and was made to reprove many often for wickedness , though therefore i was had in derision ; for wrath was in me against sin , though my self was ignorant of god. and i went to some of the ministers , and asked what this god was , but no man could give me satifaction herein . and thus i was hurried up and down , and many times grievously tempted ; but knew not where to have my mind stayed , nor how to gain power over my enemies , which were very many . but for a time , having been exercised through great trouble of spirit , it pleased the lord to manifest his love in my soul , and i had sweet refreshings coming in from his presence , and i had joy and peace in abundance , and great openings of the mysteries of god was revealed in me , which the world knew not ; and through judgement was a pure innocent simplicity brought forth in me , and great thirstings and desires more then at the first were begotten in me towards god ; and i saw many glorious things afar off by way of prophesie , and was in much rejoycing many times , and could sing praises unto god ; for then i was brought out of the land of egypt and darkness , and could say i had peace in measure with god in the light ; and many scriptures were opened to me , and the ministry of christ was looked into , which before i had been blind concerning , and my former sorrow was not departed from me , and forgotten ; for joy and gladness filled my heart , and i grew up to know great things in my apprehension , and began to run forth in my wisdom , thinking to comprehend in my own knowledge , the mysteries of the kingdom of god , having the true light shining in my understanding ; and through my aspiring mind , grew up into the notion of truth , but without the life , only to speak of great things in my own wisdom : but not knowing the cross of christ , to keep low in it , to have my mind stayed upon the principle of god , to be preserved in my peace and joy with god , i lost again my self , through my forward will and wisdom , and runing out into knowledge without the fear of god ; though i was above many of the priests and professors in my knowledge , and followed only the highest notionists ; but the fleshly man was set at liberty , and the cross was despised , though i was looked upon to know much , and could speak true experiences ; but the judgment i had lost , and the former terrour was gone , and the rod that once smote me was broken , and out of the serpent's root sprang forth a cockatrice , and his fruit was a firie stinging serpent , upon which i fed for many dayes : and then pride grew more than ever , and self-conceitedness , and presumption , and fleshly liberty to the carnal mind : and my delight was much in discoursing , and talking of the mysteries of god , where i spent that which god had given me , like the prodigal , and gave holy things to dogs , for i wanted the true wisdom of the heir of the kingdom . and here i lived pleasantly , for i had the knowledge of the mystery of christ in my comprehension ; and the mystery of the kingdom ( as i thought ) was revealed ; for i comprehended much in my wisdom , being unsetled in the light , which should have guided me into the cross ; but the world was set in my heart , and pride , and covetousness , and the earthly spirit ruled , and my delight grew up again , from the simplicity i once had , growing in the knowledge out of the innocency . here i ran from my husband , after other lovers , and had left the lord , my maker ; and i spent the portion of the gift of god as among harlots , and iniquity and sin encreased again , and death by sin came upon me , and the serpent beguiled me , as he did eve , even when i was innocent , and i had eaten of the knowledge , and not of the life , and that fed a part within me , which should have been famished , and my left hand knew what my right hand did , & the woman usurped power over the man-child in me . and in this condition , for many dayes , i travelled , and became darkned in my mind more and more ; and had lost that which once i had felt and known , and had but in my earthly memory the sence which before i had in the true light , and in a measure enjoyed : i could tell of experiences , but they were dead to me , and could speak of many divine things in my imaginations , but i held the truth in an unrighteous mind . then the witness of god began again to work in me , and brought me to question some things how it was with me ; and i saw my self to be ignorant more then formerly , and i felt peace and joy departed from me ; and somthing desired to be restored again to my former condition , but i grew to be much given to the love and delights of riches , and honour in the world ; i fed my self with that knowledge which formerly i had received in the light , and with a deceitful mind could say , i once had the love of god ; and whom he loved once , he loves for ever . but then that was head and ruled in me which he loves never . and i was wanton , and in ishmaels birth , which i thought to be a goodly child , and would fancy he might have lived before the lord ; and in my vanities amongst heathens i crucified the lord of life ; but the blood of that which i had slain cryed continually , and the witness which lay slain gave me no rest , which the earthly man made merry over , for a time , till the lord was awakned as one out of sleep , to lay again his judgments upon me ; and then i grew weary of all knowledge , and profession , though never so high ; something which shined deep in me , shewed me ignorance in the highest of words ; and i was tossed up and down in my thoughts , having lost the savour of life which once i had tasted of , & that tenderness which was once upon my spirit ; and i was as a drie bone strewed abroad , and i became a reproach to my self , who once had felt the working of the power of god ; but was now past sence , and might sit down in darkness , and look no more after religion . and this was partly my resolution , seeing my self deceived in all things . but in due time the lord awakned me , and brought me home , and sent the true and faithful messenger ( the first-brought-forth of many children ) not known to the world , for whom the nations shall bless the lord ; and the message of eternal light he declared , and spake the language i knew not , notwithstanding all my high talkings ; for it was higher , and yet lower then i understood ; and it comprehended me , and overthrew me in the height of my knowledge : and the lord spake to me , by him , and caused me to hear his voyce , through him ; and my dim eye was restored to sight , and my understanding was opened , and the vail was rent ; and i saw my self as in a glass , to be in the prodigal state , and above the cross , and without judgement , and without the fear of the lord ; for my professed freedom was proved bondage , in the ballance of equity ; and my own will had power over me , and my own heart led me captive ; and the witness being raised , i saw my self where i was , and what i had been doing ; i saw i had been making an image to the first beast , which had a wound by the sword , and did live , whose deadly wound was again healed , and was worshipping the image which i had set up , even he likeness of the first beast : and i was full of airy notions and imaginations , and the son of the bond-woman lived ; and i saw that harlots gone from god had been my companions : and i confessed i was not worthy to be called a son , who had departed from the fathers house , and was found feeding upon husks , and could not fill my belly ; then trouble and distress come upon me , and the lord appeared a swift witness against me , and true judgement was set up in my heart , and dayes of sorrow compassed me about , such as was not since the begining of the world ; and i was at my wits end , and a day of thick darkness and trouble , a day of weeping and mourning , and misery ; a day of recompence and vengeance came upon me , such as i had never known , even for many days i was compassed with pain , as a travelling woman ; one vial of wrath after another was poured out , and the great whore was to be judged , and to drink of the wine of the wrath of god , which had once made me to drink of the wine of her fornication and abominations ; my pleasant day was turned into mourning , and my merry hours into weeping ; the earth was with its glory consumed away , and the children of my vanity fainted for thirst ; and i became a reproach to the wicked round about me , and was some time as a distracted man , when the terrour of the lord was upon me ; and it was hard to find patience in that day , and to endure this wounded spirit : my sins were set in order before my face , and they reviewed by the law of god set up in me ; and then i submitted my neck to the yoak , and separated my heart from all the glory of the world , and from all my acquaintance , and sought out the fear of the lord , and his judgements my soul loved ; and i gave my heart to seek the lord , and i prized his treasure above all things , and my heart found favour in the sight of god , as i became subject to him. and i betook my self to a poor despised , contemptible people called quakers , and the lord raised us up about this time ; and now the lord hath made up the breach , and healed up the wound , and restored ever lasting praise and rest in my soul ; and she hath found her beloved , whom from the dayes of my child-hood i sought , with a desire to know his wayes ; and now i am one in the generation of the righteous seed , which was ever hated by the seed of evil doers ; but i had rather have chosen affliction with them , than to enjoy the pleasures of sin with the multitude : and now do i bear witness unto the lord in this his day , unto the one eternal truth , as it is in christ jesus , of whom i am made a partaker ( through the faith of the gospel ) by the word of god , and do set to my seal , that the lord is true , and his wayes and judgements are equal , whereby he redeems sion , and her children : and a witness for the lord i bear by his spirit , against all the deceitful professions of the world , which stands in the wisdom of man , and not in the power of god ; and from the head of the great image , unto the feet , his whole body ( in the light ) is seen and comprehended , and all deceivableness of unrighteousness is seen in its working ; and unto the pure teachings of god in the spirit , do i give testimony , and against all the false teachers and hirelings in the world , by whom the people are not profited : and in a measure i have received the end of the ministry of christ , and do not thereby destroy it , but seal to it ; and am come into the covenant of peace , where every one , from the least to the greatest know the lord , and are established in righteousness : and what we have heard , seen , and tasted of the word of life , that do we declare , and stand witness for god ; as we have received the truth , in which we are made free by the son , and do suffer , and are giving up to bear the sufferings for the seeds sake , which is not of this world. unto which seed in us , god hath fulfilled his promises , and his word , and hath removed the enmity , and taken away his punishing hand ; and the fearfulness of his countenance is changed into love , life , and peace ; and sorrow , and mourning is fled away , and the man-child is brought forth , and the remembrance of our former trouble is now past : and unto him who is not known in the world , though a sufferer by it , do i bear witness in the sight of god , angels and men ; and wo unto his persecutors , they shall fall , and never more rise again ; and sorrow and confusion shall fill their loynes , and the end of his enemies shall be accursed in deep misery , and the snares of the enemy laid for him shall hold fast their own feet . now i am despised of the world , and cast aside of my relations , and am not greater than my lord , who was called a blasphemer , and deceiver , as now i am , praised be the lord for evermore , who hath separated me from the world , and worldly glory , and hath made me a partaker of his love , in which my soul hath full satisfaction , joy ▪ and content ; and now my habitation is in the lord. and thus i have travelled through the world , even to the end , and now am come to the beginning of that which never shall have an end , which the dark mind of man knows not . and this hath been my travel many a day in weariness , and in a burthened spirit ; and though tossed too and fro , yet now i have found a sure resting place , even the beautiful gates of sion ; and my mind is staied , and my soul resteth in the enjoyment of love , and a sure defence is upon my glory , my neighbours may rejoyce with me for ever . edward burrough . the end . a general epistle to all the saints being a visitation of the fathers love unto the whole flock of god ... : to be read in all the assemblies, of them, that meet together to worship the father in the spirit and truth ... / e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 1660 approx. 37 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 8 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. text creation partnership, ann arbor, mi ; oxford (uk) : 2004-05 (eebo-tcp phase 1). a30525 wing b6005 estc r14865 12034999 ocm 12034999 52869 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. 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ascii text with mnemonic sdata character entities); displayable xml (tcp schema; characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or text strings within braces); or lossless xml (tei p5, characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or tei g elements). keying and markup guidelines are available at the text creation partnership web site . eng society of friends -great britain. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 spi global keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-03 mona logarbo sampled and proofread 2004-03 mona logarbo text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a general epistle to all the saints ; being a visitation of the fathers love , unto the whole flock of god ; who are called and gathered into the spiritual kingdom of righteousness and peace ; to be read in all the assemblies , of them , that meet together to worship the father in the spirit and truth , in the silence of all flesh . e. b. london , printed for robert wilson , at the sign of the black-spread-eagle and wind-mill in martins l'grand , 1660. live unto god , in all that which is answerable unto him ; and your words and works will be accepted of him , and well-pleasing to him , even because it is him that worketh in you to will and to do all good things , and he alone exalted in you , and you subjected , and the maker is become the husband , and you married unto him ; and he lives in power , and rule , and command , and you live in subjection unto him , and in fulfilling his will in what he guideth in by his holy spirit ; and this life is very pretious . oh friends ! live in it , and dwell in it alwayes , and then your ioy and peace will be with you over all this world , and you will be comforted , when fear and terrour comes upon all men ; for the lord god whom we serve and worspip in the spirit , will cause his enemies to know his power , and that he doth and can do whatsoever he will , and will smite his enemies , and wound them in their consciences ; for all power , dominion , and authority is with him , he is mighty to save , and mighty to destroy , and his reward is to every one according to their deeds ; and this is the god whom we fear and worship , and all flesh must bow before him , when he shews his presence ; though men be high and lifted up , and go on in rebellion against him without fear , yet the hand of the lord will be upon them , and he shall smite them with the rod of his mouth : wherefore all friends , have respect unto the lord in your hearts in all things that you do , and in all things that cometh to pass , for that is blessed in a people ; and they shall prosper , their souls shall be nourished , and their lives refreshed with the mercies of the lord , even all they that do wait upon the lord , and have respect unto him and his eternal power , which doth and suffereth all things that be ; in which power you must dwell and walk , and feel it in your hearts , and it will be your armour and defence in all things , and it will carry you through all that which worketh contrary . and it is very pretious to be armed with the armour of god , in the day of temptations and tryals , that you may not be overcome of the wicked , nor spoiled of the heavenly inheritance . oh friends ! put on strength , that you may stand , and never be moved from the hope of eternal life , and feel the renewing of your inward man , even the increase and growth of the immortal life in you , that you may live in that unto the lord god , and covenant with him may be preserved , whereby , you may be a praise and a glory to him in your generation in the sight of the whole world , even all you who have tasted of the presence and power of the lord , and who have known his mercies and iudgements , and been acquainted with him , that you may be kept faithful unto the end , and not be subverted by the wicked one , nor drawn from the obedience to the truth , nor loose your crown of immortality , neither by the flattery nor terrour of the ungodly , but that you live in the dominion of immortal life , which keeps above all mortal temptations and mortal terrour , and gives authority over all : and this life is blessed , where the glory and peace of this world , & the troubles & sorrows of it also , are seen over , & felt beyond , & nothing of it can move the heart , nor disquiet the spirit , nor work any separation from the fathers love ; and in the seed of god , where it lives above mortal , is this enioyed by us and all the faithful : but if the mans part live above the seed of god , that , will be drawn aside by the love or by the terrour of this world , for that is changable , and the evil one hath a part in it ; so that part is to be kept in subjection in you , under the seed of god , and it must bear the cross of christ alwayes , else you will be overcome of the wicked , for in that part ( the mans part ) which is of this world , the devil hath something , a place to receive him , and a part to obey him ; but in the seed of god he hath nothing , neither place nor part : and so friends , live in the seed of god , for in that is your victory and heavenly dominion ; and also your election and your assurance for ever , even in the second birth , begotten of the father , for that is the heir of god , and therein doth man inherit eternal life , and rest , and peace , to his soul , and therein is blessings and peace , and life inwardly and outwardly , and all fulness is enjoyed , where the lord is the teacher , the father , the shepheard , the master , the king and iudge ; and he is become to us the all in all , and the kingdom delivered to him , and all subjected under him , even god with us , the substance of all , the end of all , and all the contrary put under , even the lyon and the lamb laid down together , and man lives in peace according to the promise ; and the mountain of the lords house is established on the top of all , in which nothing can destroy or hurt the pure life ; but life is in dominion over all , and death is swallowed up of it . oh friends ! this is the mark that is before you , press on towards it , that you may obtain the final end of all your travel and waiting , of your obedience and suffering , and the end of your hope and patience , and the very end of the message sent of god , and delivered to you by us ; the end of all , is this , that you may dwell in god , and he in you , and be gathered up to him , to be ever with him , and that he may be your all in all , and you may be to him an honour and praise throughout the world in your generation , even he your onely god , and you his onely people . and friends , certain it is , that the way of life , and peace , and of salvation , is made manifest unto you , and you know wherein everlasting peace and reconciliation with god standeth ; and you also know , what the cause is of all trouble and sorrow and condemnation , the lord hath opened many hearts , and given unto many a good understanding : and seeing you know this , live in the way of peace , and escape the other , that you may not come into condemnation ; for it is a fearful thing to fall into the condemnation and wrath of the almighty . and for this cause , that men should be saved from wrath , and have peace with god , the message of life and salvation , hath the lord sent abroad plentifully in this nation , and you have received it and believed the report , though many have rejected it unto their destruction , whose iudgement will be upon them ; but you haue tasted , handled , and felt of the word of eternal life , by which the lord hath wounded you , and healed you again ; and many hath he slain and made them alive , even through his word and power , which hath entred into many hearts , which killeth the enmity , and quickneth the seed , and which breaketh off from all the worlds fellowship , both in transgressions and righteousness , and makes all void , all covenants with death and hell , and marryeth unto the lamb , and the marriage of the lamb is come unto many , even unto all in whom his innocent and heavenly nature is begotten and brought forth ; for this is of his flesh and of his bone ; and here is his wife that hath made her self ready , and is prepared for the bridegroom ; and blessed are ye , if ye know these things and be witnesses of them , even the marriage of the lamb , and the making ready of his elected in you , even the reviving and quickning of his flesh , and of his bone ; for this is the virgin unto whom he is joyned , that hath put away all other lovers , and loveth the lord with all the heart , and with all the soul , who is cloathed with perfect beauty and innocency , and covered with divine righteousness , in which there is no spot , being delivered out of the wilderness , and freed from her mourning state , and is no more separated from her husband , but she again quickened into life , and adorned with beauty , and married to the lamb , to live with him for evermore . oh friends ! wait upon the lord , that ye may possess these things ; for to know them , and be in them , is everlasting treasure and riches ; the possession of them are riches to the poor , bread to the hungry , and cloathing to the naked , and life to the dead : and if ye know these things , lay them up in your hearts , as your most pretious treasure , and let none spoil you of it ; and if ye are married unto the lamb , then are you the true and onely church , even his body and living members of it ; for such onely are the true church , that are married to christ , and vnited to him in his own nature ; and all such are false churches , and are even of the great whore , that hath taken upon them the name of churches of christ , but were never lawfully married unto him , and such are deceived , and deceivers of others with the very name of christ , calling themselves by the name of his church , while they are in the nature contrary to him , nor they ever lawfully married unto him ; and this is the great whore who commits lewdness through nations , in all false worships and idolatrous practices and ordinances , and in her false ministry and false doctrines ; and she was set up in nations , by the force of cruel and violent lawes and men , and is upheld by oppression and injustice at this day ; and yet all this she doth under the name of holy church , and useth the name of christ , as if she were his wife , and yet hath other lovers ; and by such means hath this great whore deceived the world : but now the day of the lord is come upon her , and the hour of her iudgements is at hand , and all that have taken pleasure with her , shall mourn and bitterly lament , because of her judgements which cometh in a day ; but we are delivered from her iudgements , because the lord hath called us from her abominations ; and we can no more drink her cup of false doctrines and practices , all which are idolatry , and to be judged of the lord , though she should drink our blood , as she hath done the saints before us ; but i say , the lord hath led us out of this babylon , he hath delivered us from this great city , and made us spiritually free from its abominations and idolatries , though not outwardly free from her oppressions and cruelties : and though this great city hath ruled over the kings and great men of the earth , and subjected many nations through its wickedness and violence ; yet certainly its ruine is near to come , else my hope is lost , my life is smitten , and the lord hath not spoken by me : and the lord will reward this false woman , this false church , that hath deceived the nations , even according to her deeds , as she hath done to others , so shall other 's do to her , measure for measure ; and much more might we say concerning her , but the lord hath opened our eyes and we see her abominations , and she cannot deceive us : and this is the loving kindness of the lord unto us , for which he is worthy to be praised by us , for evermore . and in that ye have received the truth , and do know the truth , live in it , and walk in it in all faithfulness ; and be not fearful and unbelieving , as though the lord were not with you , though ye suffer much for his names sake ; for he is not wanting unto that man that doth fear his name , and that walks in his way ; but for the deliverance of all such will he appear , he will free the oppressed , and the afflicted people he will save , even by his out-stretched arm : wherefore let our eye be unto the lord in all estates and conditions , whether of sufferings or otherwise , for from him salvation cometh , and not from the mountains of the earth ; and keep your meetings in your several places , and be faithful in all things , that your consciences may be kept void of offences , both towards god and men , that no disobedience nor load of iniquity may be upon you , but that in the sight of god , you may feel clearness and freedom of soul and spirit , from the burden of all transgression , that you may know the remission of all sin , and all iniquity may be blotted out , and no guilt of transgression may lye upon you , but you may enjoy peace in your consciences , in the sanctification and iustification of the new man ; and this is the heavenly life , even upon earth : and when you are met together in the name and power of the lord , mind his presence amongst you , for that is life , and will make your meetings profitable and full of vertue to your souls , and the lord will instruct you in all that which is good , and christ will be your minister of peace and comfort , and his spirit will lead you into all truth , and by his word , even the speech of god in your hearts , you will be quickned in spirit , and your strength and peace in god will be renewed day by day ; and walk in all wisdom , and in the fear of the lord one towards another , and towards all people , that your righteous and innocent life , and your holy wayes and works of truth , may have evidence in the hearts of your enemies , that you are of god , by the shining forth of your light before them ; and that the devil , nor all your enemies may have ought against you , saving concerning your god , and the worship of him , and the matters pertaining to good conscience ; and then if any suffer affliction and tribulation by wicked men , if it be for righteousness sake , and concerning the law of your god , and the matters of his kingdom , in such suffering the lord will be with you , and not forsake you , but he will give you dominion , and carry you through it all , in patience and faith which gives you victory over all enemies ; and nothing shall happen to you , nor come upon you in the anger of god , but all afflictions shall be turned to your comfort , and by persecutions and tribulations the lord will but try you , and not destroy you , you being delivered from his wrath , and from that which is the cause of it : and therefore friends , it being much upon my spirit , i do lay it upon you , to be mindful in this very thing , that you walk in all wisdom , so that your enemies have nothing against you , to cause you to suffer for , but onely for truth , and righteousness sake , and concerning the law and worship of your god ; and then if the wicked one take occasion against you , to inflict his wrath upon you by wicked men , because of the exercises of your consciences towards god , thereby shall the lord take occasion against your enemies , to destroy them in his season , and he will deliver you ; and for this cause doth the lord plead with the wicked in his wrath , even because of the unjust sufferings of his people , for that alwayes drew down the wrath of the lord upon nations , and rulers ; and for this cause hath many been destroyed ; and in our sufferings must be filled up the measure of the iniquities , both of rulers and people in this nation , that the lord may over-turn them with his hand , when their measure of oppression is finished , and the burden of its guilt falls upon them . therefore let us have patience towards all men in all conditions , and faith towards god at all times , for therein is our armour of defence , and our weapons to resist all our enemies , and giving up into the eternal will of the father , whether in life or death , in tribulations or in rejoicing , and giving our power wholly to the lord , and not unto any other , knowing , that not one hair of our head can fall without him , whose power is over all , and through all : so that if we live , it may be unto him alone ; and if we suffer , and dye , it may be for him , and herein peace shall be with us , in whatsoever cometh to pass upon us , if we can receive all things as from the hand of the lord ; and live in the feeling of that power , which doth all things , or suffereth all things to be done . and blessed is he that is not offended in christ , who cannot be offended in him , nor separated from him by principalities , nor powers of darkness , nor death , nor life of any thing : and in this growth was the apostle , which the same is to be waited for , blessed is he that obtaines it ; for that which takes offence against christ , is of the same with that which gives it ; for all offences against him , ariseth from the corrupted nature which knowes him not , and that which receiveth any offence against him , is the same which knows him not ; yea , though an offence may be justly given , yet that in which the offence takes place , knowes not the father nor the son : and christ said offences should come , but woe unto him by whom they come , and woe unto that which stumbles and falls through offences . therefore every one is to minde , the certain evidence of the spirit of god , and of the truth and way of salvation in his owne heart , and being perswaded concerning the way of salvation , by the spirit of god , that spirit will judg every offence that is given , and not embrace it ; and that spirit which judges and casts out , that which gave offence against god , in that spirit may a man be preserved above all offences , so as nothing can separate him from the love of god ; but though this offence , or the other , whatsoever may arise , yet such a one feels and possesses the mercy , love and peace from god in his own spirit , and such a one lives in the heavenly life , and cannot make the evil example of another an occasion of iniquity to himself , but he rather heares and feares , and keeps in more diligence and respect to the fear and presence of god in his own heart , yet he covers not the offence that is given in it self , but with a spirit of iudgment treads it down and walks over it ; and this is the right way for a man of god to walk in ; and that spirit is not right before the lord , nor that heart which takes unto it self an occasion to stumble at , or deny the power and mercy of the lord , because another may abuse them : but if one be from the spirit of god in their own hearts , their minde unsetled upon that , and unseasoned with that , then the offences enter , and works darkness and prejudice in the minde , and the wrong part being up , it receives all things to a wrong end , and it abuses gods mercyes , and also wants the authority to pass iudgment upon offences , and because hereof is a man undone , for prejudice will eat out the good , and destroy simplicity , and wound the soul , and bring men into death and bitterness of spirit : therefore this is to all friends , that you may be kept in the spirit of iudgment , which will not receive an offence into the wrong part , but will iudge all offences in themselves , and hereby all will be preserved , and truth must travel through all his enemies , and blessed is he that is kept faithful to the end , in the power of the lord god , that reignes over , and iudgeth the power of darkness in every appearance of it , inwardly and outwardly . and as concerning the times and seasons , and the present confusions and distractions that is amongst men , much might be spoken ; but certainly the end of all these things , shall be turned for good unto us , and unto all that do abide in faith and patience unto the end ; and though the present times be of an heavy countenance towards us , like as if we should be swallowed up through the roaring of the sea , and because wickedness doth abound by the spirit that now is exalted ; yet in this let us respect the lord , for certain it is , that times and seasons are in his hand , to change them at his pleasure , and to take them from one , and give them to another when he will , the day is his , and the victory is in his hand : oh! let not mortal men glory against him , mans time is but for a moment , and it is our blessedness and peace to be still , to be still ; and to have a respect to the lord through all these overturnings ; and though the spirit that now is , be wicked and abounding in iniquity , yet the lord will limit its way : and as for the men that now are in power , it is very just with the lord , to let them have their day , even to try them what they will do , many others before those have had also their day , that have promised great things , as to liberty and freedom of the nation , even much more than these ; but they abused times and seasons , and opportunites , and were deceitful towards god and man , and sought themselves more than the good of others , and therefore are they justly under reproach and sufferings , even for their disobedience sake , who would not give eare to the cry of our oppressions , though they were called unto , but made our yoaks more heavy , and , our tasks more great , though the lord looked for better things from them , yet they were rebellious till they were sunk into confusion ; and we yet stand , and they are fallen , that thought to destroy us . and this spirit , and these men who now are , which once the other had power over , is now iustly set in power over them : and all this is accomplished , in the iustice of the lords hand , and therefore , why should we murmure against god ? or say , why hast thou done it ? but let us travel in patience through all the oppressions , and in the power of the lord , we shall work through them , as through others heretofore , even till the lord deliver us : for this spirit that now is , must rule , until the pleasure of the lord be fulfilled concerning it ; may not the lord do something through it , unworthy of a better spirit to be imployed in ? god hath vessels of dishonour ; and the king of assyria and nebuchadnezzar , must serve his pleasure , when he will use them : and therefore no man at present is found able to divert the authority of it ; for it seems right unto the lord , that it have its season , if not in love to it , yet in his wrath , that its measure of wickedness may be filled up in this occasion given unto it , that the lord may destroy it ; for though it have all power to rule , and to subdue that which riseth against it ; yet this is not , because the lord is on it side ; but thus he suffers it , for a rod to correct others , that have been unfaithful , even till the lord correct it also with his iudgements . and the purpose of the lord is to prove the men , if so be some of them may learn righteousness and be saved , though some of them want the shew of religion , which others have had ; yet god hath not left himself without witness in them : and the lord may be nigh to some of them , if he smite , they must be wounded ; let us walk in wisdom and innocency towards them , and be faithful towards the lord concerning them , and leave them to him . and as for all the confusions , and di●●ructions , and rumors of wars , what are they to us ? what have we to do with them ? and wherein are we concerned in these things ? is not our kingdome of another world , even that of peace and righteousnesse ? and hath not the lord called us , and chosen us into the possession of that inheritance , wherein strife , and enmity dwelleth not ? yea , he hath broken down that part in us that is related thereunto , and being dead in that nature of strife , bloodshed , and warrs , how can we live in strif and contention in the world , or have fellowship with any therein ? and can we have pleasure in the confusion and distraction amongst men , or joyne in any thing with them , if so be we are quickened in the new life to god , which is a life of love and peace , and free from such things ? and if we are crucified in the life to this world , out of which all these confusions and strife doth arise , how can we live therein ? and therefore these thing are nothing to us , neither are we of one party , or against another , to oppose any , by rebellion , or plottings against them , in enmity , and striving with them by carnal weapons ; nor to destroy any mens lives , though our enemies : so we warr not for any , nor against any , for the matters of this worlds kingdom . but our kingdome is inward , and our weapons are spiritual , and our victory an peace , is not of this world : and our war is against souls enemyes , and against the powers of darknesse , even by the sword of the spirit , which god hath given us , and called us to war therewith , to convert people from sin and death , and from the very occasion of wars and contentions about the things that are earthly ; and this is our calling and work at this day ; and these things all the children of the lord are to mind , and to keep over the spirit of this world in all people , which all this enmity , strife , and confusion that is up amongst men , lodgeth in , and out of it ariseth ; for these things are the fruits of the spirit of this evill and sinfull world , and the fruits of the spirit of god are of another nature , even peace and meeknesse towards all , and not enmity towards any , in which spirit let us live and walk , admonishing all hereunto , and praying for our enemies , and not hating them , but doing good for evill , and not rendring evill for evill ; but being meek and humble , merciful and patient towards all : and this is the true christian life learned of christ , and this life is blessed in this world , and in the world to come ; and them that live here are redeemed out of the world , wherein is troubles and confusion , wars and strifes : but let us not heed any of these things , for they rise and fall in their season , and are brought forth and effected in the changeable and erring spirit , which worketh not the honour of god , but is in the dishonour to him ; and friends , let us be a people separate from all that live therein , waiting for the deliverance of the holy seed , in all ; and believing , that through all these things the lord will set up his kingdome , and thus it must come to passe , babylon , mvst fall with a great noise ; for in strife and confusion was she builded , and therein hath she long stood , and thereby must she fall ; and tribulations must come upon the earth , that people may learn to fear the lord through his iudgements : and he will speedily do great things in the world , which cannot be believed by many , if it were told them ; for hell and death must be destroyed , and both the beast , and the whore , must be taken alive , and cast into the lake of the anger of god : but blessed are they that do wait upon the lord , and rest under his shadow , and waits in his counsel , and receive his instructions ; they shall see the maruelous works of his hand ; but the wicked , and unbelieving shall be turned into darknesse , and shall not see the countenance of the lord to refresh them , but their sorrow shall be increased . and as for me , if i were no more , this is the testimony of my love unto the seed of god , through these nations , who am a companion to all that travell after truth and righteousnesse , and that seekes the lord in their hearts that he may rule ; and these things were upon me , to send amongst the flock of god , to be read in all your meetings . oxfordshire , the first day of the third month , 1660. edw. burrough . the end good counsel and advice rejected by disobedient men and the dayes of oliver cromwells visitation passed over, and also of richard cromwel his son ... burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30526 of text r14571 in the english short title catalog (wing b6006). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 143 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 33 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30526 wing b6006 estc r14571 12034016 ocm 12034016 52859 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30526) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 52859) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 861:15) good counsel and advice rejected by disobedient men and the dayes of oliver cromwells visitation passed over, and also of richard cromwel his son ... burrough, edward, 1634-1662. fox, george, 1624-1691. 61, 60-68 p. printed for thomas simmons ..., london : 1659. reproduction of original in huntington library. a collection of letters signed: edward burrough, george fox, g.f., or e.b. attributed to edward burrough. cf. bm. eng cromwell, oliver, 1599-1658. cromwell, richard, 1626-1712. great britain -history -commonwealth and protectorate, 1649-1660. a30526 r14571 (wing b6006). civilwar no good counsel and advice, rejected by disobedient men. and the dayes of oliver cromwells visitation passed over; and also of richard cromwel burrough, edward 1659 29514 5 0 0 0 0 0 2 b the rate of 2 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the b category of texts with fewer than 10 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-04 olivia bottum sampled and proofread 2004-04 olivia bottum text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-07 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion good counsel and advice , reiected ; by disobedient men . and the dayes of oliver cromwells visitation passed over ; and also of richard cromwel his son , late protectors of these nations . and the many precious warnings neglected by them , and set at naught , which from time to time the servants of the lord gave unto them , as declared in these following letters ; whereby all may see the kindness of the lord towards them , by his faithful invitations to them , and their own apostacy and carelesness , who rejected warning 〈◊〉 the time and day of their visitation is shut up with the vale of darkness and reproach , which lies over them , and their precious day of love is spent , and cannot be re-called . 〈◊〉 to 〈◊〉 view , by one that wished well to them in their day , and is a friend unto all that love righteousness , and hates oppression . london , printed for thomas simmons , at the bull and mouth near aldersgate , 1659. to the reader . friend , out of the same love from whence these were written , do i put them to publick view , and it was not without much doubtings and questioning in my own spirit , but at last having found perfect freedom and strength from the lord , knowing that i am clear and free altogether of other ends , saving then for the honour of the truth , and that all may see that the downfalls of these men were not before sufficient warnings , which makes the lord free , and his servants free from what is come to pass upon them , and even their fall lies upon their own heads that despised the lords warnings , and would none of his counsel , but suffered the innocent to be oppressed under their power , and relieved not the heritage of the lord from her cruel enemies , though they had power to do it , but sought their own glory , and how to be established in greatness in the earth , till that the lord hath cast them out , and made them as a reproach . and these things that have come to pass upon them , may be as warnings to all other rulers that doth succeed them , and they may know that the lord is iust and his iudgements righteous , and whosoever shall follow their steps , and be oppressors of the lords heritage , as they were , the lord shall extend his iudgments unto them also , and their destruction shall come , even like as upon these before them ; therefore let all the earth be warned . i am a lover of sion . for the hands of the protector . friend , many warnings hast thou had from the mouth of the lord , his love hath been towards thee , and the glorious day of his visitation hath shined over thy head , wherein he hath called unto thee to hear and obey his voice , and would have instructed thee in the way that thou shouldst walk , that thy soul might live for ever in peace and rest , when this world is passed away ; and that in this present world he might have made thee a blessing to thy self and posterity and people , and a praise in thy dominions , and unto ages after thee , if thou hadst hearkned and obeyed his voice , and chosen his way and counsel , and not thine own ; and then would he have made thine enemies to have bowed under thee , and the force of their policy and arm should never have prevailed against thee , and thou shalt be delivered from the will of all that hate thee , if thou yet will hearken unto him , and receive his instruction , and set thy heart to seek his honour more then thine own , and will let his counsel be thy guide & ruler , & not vain man , which must be brought to naught ; even now , before the day of thy visitation bespent , never more to be recalled , and the time come when god will cease to strive with thee , & will not call unto thee , but will leave thee to thy own hearts false judgment , and the counsels of treacherous men ; and friend i as one that hath obtained mercy from the lord , unto whom his word is committed , being moved of him , do hereby in his presence yet once more warn thee , that thou fear before him , and diligently hearken to him , and seek him with all thy heart , that thou maist know his will and counsel concerning thee , and may do it , and find favour in his sight , and live ; and now is the day that his hand is stretched forth unto thee , to make thee a blessing , or to leave thee a curse for ever ; and the dayes of thy visitation is near an end , when god will no more call unto thee , nor hear thee , when in the day of thy trouble thou cals to him , neither will answer thee by vision nor dream , nor prophet , but will leave thee to the counsels of treacherous men , who will seek after thy life , and wait for thy overthrow , and watch for evil against thee , that they may glory in thy desolation ; and such there is , of whom thou hast need to beware ; and if thou reject the counsel of the lord , and follow the desires of thine own heart , and the wills of men , and will not have the light of the world , christ jesus onely , to rule thee and to teach thee , which condemns all evil , then shall evil surely fall upon thee , if thou lovest not the light in thee , which condemns it , and the judgments of god , nor the day of his last visitation with vengeance , thou mayest not escape ; therefore consider , and mark my words , and let this counsel be acceptable unto thee , that thy dayes may be many , and blessed upon earth ; and first consider , and let it move upon thee to meekness , to humbleness and to fear before the lord , assuredly knowing , that it is he that changeth times and things , and that bringeth down and setteth up whomsoever he will ; and how that thou was raised from a low estate , and set over all , thine enemies , and thy horn was exalted above them all and he gave thee the necks of princes to tread upon , and more honourable ; and their dominions to inherit , and thou was set a ruler in much dominion , and had favour in his sight , and in the sight of many people who wished well unto thee for a blessing ; many victories honourable and remarkable was given unto thee , over them who had exalted themselves against god ; and ruled in tyranny over his people ; whom the lord pittied , and thou an instrument in his hand , was ordained by him , to lead forth a people , whom he blessed with thee , against a cruel people , and generation of oppressors , who exercised tyrannie over the lords heritage , till they were taken away and cast out , and is a reproach unto the lord and his people unto this day ; and even so shall all be that followes their example and are oppressors and tyrants over the seed of god ; as they were ; and this thou knowest , that not by might , nor multitude , but by the arm of the lord , were they subdued and made a prey unto thee , and their treasures a spoil unto thy hands ; and so it was , that thou mightest have glorified him for ever ; and exalted him in the great congregation , and gone on in faithfulness to the end , and in that day when thou was raised up , when the fear of the lord was before thy face , and thy heart was towards him ; and thou was but little in thine own eyes , then was it well with thee , and the lord blessed thee , and made thee honourable , and his people had love towards thee , and desires for thee , that thou might have been as a helper to the poor and a father to the faithful , and a preserver of the upright from unreasonable men , and an easer of the oppressed , & a taker away of every oppressive bond ; and it was not once thought concerning thee , that the hands of the ungodly would have been strengthened against the righteous under thee ; or that such grievous and cruel burthens and oppressions would ever have been laid upon the just , and acted against them , in thy name , and under thy dominion , as unrighteously have come to passe in these three years , as a large testimony might be given ; and this thy suffering of such things is thy transgression , and thou hast not requited the lord well for his goodness unto thee ; nor fulfilled his will in suffering that to be done under thee , and in thy name , which the lord raised thee against to break down , hadst thou been faithful to the end . again consider and let it move on thy heart not to exalt thy self , nor to be high minded , but to fear continally , knowing that thou standest not by thy self but by another , and that he is able to abase thee , and give thee into the will of thy enemies ; when soever he will , and how the lord hath preserved thee sometimes wonderfully , and doth unto this day , from the murderous plots and crafty policie of evil men , who seeks thy evil , and would rejoyce in thy fall , and in the desolation of thy family and countries ; how have they and do they lay snares for thy feet , that thou may be cut off from amongst men , and die unhappily , and be accounted a curse ; and yet to this day he hath preserved thee and been near thee to keep thee , though thou hast hardly known it ; and the lords end is love to thee in all these things , and yet a little longer to try thee , and that thou might give him the glory ; o that thy heart were opened to see his hand , that thou mayst live unto him , and die in him in peace ; and beware least hardness of heart possesse thee ; if thou slight his love , and so be shut up in darkness , and given to the desires of thine enemies , and left to the counsels of treacherous men , who may seek to exalt thee by flattery that they might the better cast thee down , and destroy thee , and blot out thy name in reproach , and make thy posterity a people miserable ; but now o consider and let it enter into thy heart , for thou hast not answered the lord , but been wanting to him for all this ; and hast chosen thy own way and glory rather then his , and not fulfilled his counsel in raising thee , for the bonds of crueltie are not loosed by thee , and the oppressed is not altogether set free , neither is oppression taken off from the back of the poor , nor the laws regulated , nor liberty of pure conscience altogether allowed ; but these dominions are filled with cruel oppressors , and the poor groans every where under their heavy hand of injustice , the needy are troden down under foot , and the oppressed cries for deliverance , and are ready to faint for true justice , and judgement ; the proud exalts himself against the poor , and the high minded and rebellious contemns the meek of the earth ; the horn of the ungodly is exalted over the lords heritage , and they that are departed from iniquity are become a prey to oppressors , and the cruel hearted deals cruelly with the innocent in these nations ; and such whom the lord hath freed in their consciences from false worships and teachers , and from the wayes of sin and death , are made slaves , and greedily preyed upon by unjust men , through casting into prisons , and dungeons , and unjust fines , and illegal proceedings , and beatings and abusings , and woundings and bruisings , hard to be expressed and large to be declared ; even the hands of many of the people over whom thou art set to rule , are full of blood , merciless and cruel ; and neither fears god , nor are subject to the just rule and government of men ; and the mouth of many of thy subservant rulers and governours that have their power from thee are as the teeth of young lions , and the upright and harmless , are devoured and made a spoil by them , through policy and oppression , both in their persons and estates ; if i perish i must speak the truth ; my life is not dear to me for the truth sake ; many who should have judged in true justice and righteousness the cause of the poor , have been as bryars and thorns to insnare and pierce the just man ; and have perverted judgement , and turned it backward , & equity have hardly had place to enter ; most of the prisons this day in all thy juridictions have and doth testifie the unjust judgement , and the great oppressions and cruelties of some in authority who have used , or rather abused thy name , and made it a cloak for their hard-heartedness ; o my heart is troubled , and my bowels pained at the remembrance of this ; how doth the poor cry under the heavy hand of oppession , and the needy lament for want of true judgement , and the oppressed groan for want of deliverance ? and these things are thought upon by the lord , though not considered by thee as they ought to be ; and because of this will he arise to plead the cause of the innocent against him that is too strong for him ; and will dash to pieces his enemies , and break the jawes of the devourers , and the righteous shall not alwayes be a prey to the teeth of the ungodly . o friend when wilt thou consider the oppression of the poor , and hearken to the cry of the oppressed within thee , and without thee , when shall it enter into thy heart , this cause of the unjust sufferings of the lords people , from which thou canst not altogether be excused ? for it is acted in thy name , though not by thee . o let thy ear be opened unto the cryes of the oppressed in the prisons ; and let the cause of the innocent come before thee , and let thy heart be pierced at the consideration of these things which are come to pass in thy dayes , contrary to the expectation of many , and see if it be , not contrary to thy own promises sometimes vowed by thee ; let the light of christ in thy own conscience answer , and some of the multitude of the grievous oppressions of which the land is full , hath been laid at thy door and brought unto thee , but scarcely found an entrance upon thee ; and this aggravates the crime of thy transgression , in that thou knowest of these things ; & wonderful is it to consider , that even thou with whom the power of the lord hath sometimes been , should now suffer that people with whom the power of the lord is to be persecuted , and thy name to be a cloak for it ; how many in all parts of this nation have been and are at this day grievous sufferers under cruel bondage concerning tythes , that great abomination and idol , and cause of heavy groanings ? the bodies of many just men violently surprized , and cast into goals and prisons unjustly , and some illegally ; their cruelly suffering the loss of their liberties and the enjoyments of their families , and honest assemblies ; and others have their goods spoiled and made havock upon , almost to the ruine of families by unreasonable men , through unjust judgement and cruel dealings of some in authority for so much unjustly , challenged by the priest or impropriator , it may be ; they distress five times so much , to the great shame of the government of a christian nation ; as may appear in a book called the cry of the oppressed ; and how many are ready even to faint under the hard oppression of maintaining hireling teachers , and idol temples ; many for that cause also being unjust sufferers in bodies and estates , by cruel imprisonment and spoiling of goods ; the very cry of this oppression reaches unto heaven against thee , who suffers it , and against the idol shepherds who are the ground of it , who makes a prey upon gods heritage ; and the lord god will be avenged upon them , and they and their staff shall utterly perish ; wo unto them , and to the idol worships of which the land is full , which they uphold , which causes the hearts of the righteous to mourn , because of the seed of god which is in captivity under them ; again many are unjust and woful sufferers because they cannot swear on this or that occasion , though in all causes they speak the truth , and do obey christs commands , even such are trodden upon by unjust fines charged upon them , and imposed oppressions ; the example of which never went before ; many parts of this land is witness of this ; and this is by the corruptness of some that bear rule under thee , who rules not for god as they ought , but turns the sword of justice , and doth unjustly thereby , and grieves the lord , and dishonours thee ; again some suffer long and tedious imprisonments , and others cruel stripes and abuses , and danger of life many times from wicked men , for reproving sin and crying against the abomination of the times , which the scriptures also testifie against , in streets or temples , or other places ; some having been sent to prison , taken on the high way , and no evil charged against them , and others committed , being taken out of peaceable meetings , and whipped and sent to prison without transgression of any law , just or unjust , wholly through the rage and envy of the devil , and such who have perverted judgement and justice , and some in prisons have suffered superaboundantly from the hands of the cruel gaolers , and their servants , by beatings and threatnings , and putting irons on them , and not suffering any of their friends to visit them with necessaries ; and some have died in the prisons , whose lives was not dear to them , whose blood will be reckoned on account against thee , one day ; and many more other wayes have suffered grievous things , as banishments out of towns , and whipping and stocking , and grievous unjust abuses , and none of these for evil doing , but for good ; even because they cannot bow to the devil , but are redeemed out of the world and therefore the world hates them , and some have suffered hard cruelties because they could not respect persons and bow with hat , or knee ; and from these cruelties canst thou not altogether be excused in the sight of god ; being brought forth in thy name and under thy power ; consider friend , and be awakened to true judgement , let the lord search thy heart , and lay these things to mind , that thou may be an instrument to remove every burthen , and may at last fulfill the will of god , are they nothing to thee ; that such things should be brought forth under thee ? o , be awakened , be awakened , and now seek the lords glory and not thine own , least thou perish before the lord and men ; nay if men would give thee * honour and high titles and princely thrones take it not , for that which would exalt and honour thee in the world , would betray thee to the world and cast thee down in the sight of the world , and this is gods word to thee ; what ? shall the whole nation be perjured men , and thou the cause of it ? and wilt thou transgresse by building again that which thou hast destroyed ? then shall the lord and his light in every conscience bear witness against thee , let it not be , but deny thy self and thou wilt find the lord honouring thee , give heed unto my words and understand my speech , be not exalted by man least man betray thee ; the lord give thee an understanding in this and guide thee in his councel , and the rather above all things , let thy heart be stirred up in thee for the lord , for now is he setting up the dominion of his son , which never shall have an end , and thy dominion must bow under it , and all the dominions of the earth , or else be confounded and broken to pieces , the glory of the lord is revealing , and thine shall be vailed before it , and the glory of all flesh shall fall ; therefore strive not openly nor secretly against his way , for it shall prosper , there is no enchantment against us nor any formed weapon that can prosper ; knowest thou not that the king of righteousnesse might command thousands of his saints to avenge him of his adversaries , and to plead his cause against the rebellious ? all power is in his hand , yea and the authority and dominion shall be in the hands of his saints , and every one that exalts himself against them shall be brought down , not by an outward sword or might of man , but by his out-stretched arm , and all crowns that are mortal shall be troden down , by him whose crown is immortal and never fades away ; therefore be wise and learned , this is thy day , as thou dealest or sufferest to be done with the lords people , so to thee it shall be done in that day , when their government shall outreach thine and be set a top of it , as thou hopes for mercy from the lord , when his kingdom conquers thee and thine ; now deal favourably and relieve the oppressed ; boast not thy self though the lord hath used thee in his hand , but know that when he will he can cast thee , a rod , out of his hand into the fire ; for in his hand thou art , if thou honour him he will honour thee , otherwise he can , yea , and will confound thee and break thee , and make thee weak as water before him ; his love , through my heart , breaths unto thee ; he would thy happinesse if thou wilfully contemn it not , by exalting thy self and seeking thine own glory , and hardening thy heart against the cry of the poor ; and this i was moved in the bowels of pitty to lay before thee , who am thy friend , not in flattery , but in an upright heart , who wisheth well unto thee in the lord . a friend to the kingdom of christ and not of this world , but an heir of immortality with the son of god , called edward burrough . the original of this was given to the hands of oliver cromwell then protector , in the third moneth of the year , 1657. for the hands of oliver cromwell called protector . friend , i am moved to write to thee , from the occasion of being with thee yesterday , and i take liberty from the true love and pitty stired up in my hart towards thee , who am thy friend and wisheth well unto thee in the lord , even that salvation thou mayest receive , and that thy way may be blessed upon earth , and the fruits of the knowledge of god might more abound in thee , and the fruits of ignorance lesse , which doth appear , which i wish might be cut off before they wholly over-grow thee , and remove the blessing far from thee in this life and in the life to come , and bring upon thee destruction ; for the fruits of all unrighteousnesse , brings death , sorrow , and misery , and the light of christ in thee shall answer in all things to the justnesse of the judgements of the lord . thou sayest in effect , that thou wouldest not , or thou desirest not our persecution , or that we should be persecuted by cruelty or unjust imprisonment ; now consider what the cause is , that what thou desirest not to be done , yet is done , thou having power in thy hand onely to prevent what thou wouldest not have done , is it not thine own unfaithfulnesse to the principle of god in thee , which beareth witnesse against the persecution of the innocent ? or is it that thou mayest please men and therefore rather suffers wickednesse to abound , and injustice and oppression to be acted against the poor , ( making it appear thou art willing to do the false teachers of this nation and wicked men a pleasure ) then to own the people of god in relieving them , and easing their cruel burthens and oppressions laid upon them by unjust men , for a word of thy mouth , or the shew of thy countenance in dislike of these many cruel and unjust persecutions , would bind the hands of many blood-thirsty men , and stop the mouths of many devourers ; and therefore because of thine own unfaithfulnesse doth that come to passe which thou desirest not ? and so i must needs say this appears to be evil in thee , to say in effect thou approvest not , or thou desirest not our persecution , and yet it is done , when the power is in thy hand to remove it , and this in much love and great pains , i declare unto thee in the fear and councel of god . further thou sayest , thou art not guilty of these persecutions acted unjustly upon us . again consider , i say thou canst not be cleared in the sight of the lord god from them , being acted under thee , and in thy name , in the day of the lord the light of christ in thee shall answer this ; for there seemes to be rather a favouring of them in thee , and by forbearance of the actors of cruelty , by which their hands are strengthened , then any dislike shewed by thee in bearing thy witnesse as thou oughtest to do against them ; for thou knowest of some in this city and elsewhere , whom we know to be just men , who suffers imprisonment and the losse of their liberties , because for conscience sake they cannot , swear , and many others in this nation furthering cruel things upon the like or same ground , even for well doing , and not for evil , which oppression might be removed , and their unjust sufferings taken off by thee , by a word from thy mouth or pen , and this makes it to appear that thou canst not be clear in the sight of god in these things , because not helped by thee who hath the power to help it , and this is true love ; i give thee to understand in the day of recompence shalt thou know the lord will not clear thee , except thou repent and ease the oppressed ; other things thou speakest about the light of christ , which lighteneth every man that cometh into the world with the light of life , or with the light of condemnation , and about the ministry of this nation , with some other things which i had a desire to have answered if time had been seasonable , and thou willing to have heard , but thou shouldest not have appeared in such lightnesse , especially when speaking of the things of god which did grieve the spirit of the lord , and vex the righteous soul , which behaviour with some words which thou utteredst with the light of christ , is to be condemned , and which i do judge with the life of god , and yet doth tender and preserve the measure of justnesse and honesty which is in thee , but thou art high above the principle of god , and cannot receive the teachings of the father into that mind which is light and unstable , for the councel of god is manifest to the meek and to the lowly , but there is much in thee to be judged when thou comest to the witnesse of god in thee ; and as concerning the light of christ at which thou stumblest , by which every man that comes into the world is enlightened ; in short this i say , the light to thee is given of god , and it must thou own to be thy onely teacher , to receive by it from the father , and to be guided by it in all things if ever thou inherit gods kingdom of righteousnesse and peace , and this is the word of the lord to thee ; and as concerning the ministry of england for which in part thou seems to plead , thus i say in plainnesse , generally it is not of god but of anti-christ , and the lord is against it , for it is the ground of the greatest oppression of the poor in its maintenance , as any one particular abomination which this day is in the nation , and this is the truth from the lord , and if thou set thy self to uphold them by any law made , or to make against such whom god hath raised to bear witnes against them their wayes and idolatries , thou shalt fall with them into perdition , and be overthrown amongst them in the just and righteous judgements , and this is the word of the lord to thee ; for god is risen of a truth to make war against the beast which long hath reigned , and against the false prophets which hath long deceived the world , and i warn thee with hold thy hand from helping them , if thou mean to be preserved or blessed in thy person , in thy family and in thy armies ; for as i said to thee , the kingdom of christ is setting up by his own power , and all must bow and become subject thereunto , he needs none of thy policie , nor the strength of thy arm to advance him , yet would he have thee nor to prove thy self an open enemy thereof , by doing or suffering to be done cruelty and injustice against them whom the lord is redeeming out of this world into subjection unto that kingdom , least thou be such a one as will not enter thy self nor suffer others to enter , and & so destruction come upon thee ; wherfore arise as out of sleep and slumber not in this worlds glory and honour , come away and appear for the lord rather then against him , be not overcome by the pleasures of this world , nor the flattering titles of men , wink not at the cruelty and oppression acted by some who shelters under thee , and makes thy name a cloak for mischief against the upright , but let the testimony of god in thee answer for his people ; this law is not just by which many suffers because they cannot swear , and because they cannot cease to declare against sin and iniquity , let that of god in thee bear witnesse , and thou and thy name being chief in the execution of this law , what will thy account be to the lord in his day ? consider i say consider , and be thou changed in thy mind and heart , least thou having forgotten god and his many deliverances , be shut up and numbered for destruction , and i say and desire the lord give thee a more perfect understanding of his wayes and judgements , and that the crown immortal thou mayest strive for , by meeknesse and righteousnesse through relieving the oppressed , and shewing mercy to the poor , and removing every burthen which lies upon the innocent , and this is the desire of him who is thy friend and would not have thee crowned with dishonour , through suffering the people of god to be oppressed in thy name , which will be thy overthrow absolutely if thou remove it not by returning and easing the oppressed . edward burrough . this was delivered to his hands about the begining of the 4th . moneth , 1657. for the hands of the protector . friend , thou oughtest to stand in the coucel of god in all things , and not to follow the councel of thy own heart , nor to act things in thine own will , neither shouldest thou suffer others to act under thee , and in thy name that which is unjust , and unrighteous ; much unrighteousnesse , and great oppression is acted in thy name , by which the good name ( protector ) is abused and subverted , and instead of protection by it , great unjustice is acted under it and covered with it ; and this one thing i am moved to lay before thee , which hath been acted by thee or under thee , not without thy knowledge , in which thou hast done evil in the sight of the lord , and one day thou wilt know it ; several in these nations justices of the peace and other officers who have been in trust under thee , when they have owned the people of god in scorn called quakers , have been cast out of their places though they have not denied to serve thee and the common-wealth , neither hath unfaithfulnesse to their trust been proved against them , and also several souldiers now of late in scotland and elsewhere , have been turned out of their places because of the same thing , ( viz. ) for owning the people of god , and these things are not right in the sight of the lord , that such who have been for many years faithful in the service and in their trust , and hazzarded life and liberty for conscience sake , to injoy liberty of conscience , which they cannot now possess because of thee , but are cast out for the exercise of their pure conscience , this thing the lord is grieved with , and with thee because of it , for thou didest not obtain this victory of peace and freedom by thy own sword , then why should it be thus improved to thy own ends ? consider of it , for this makes the nations more unhappie and lesse blessed , when such who delight in true justice and judgement are cast out of their places , and so deprived of giving their judgement among men , and absolutely this will make thy army lesse prosperous and more unblessed , when such who feareth the lord , and against whom thou cannot justly charge evil , are cast out and despised , and this in time thou mayest see to thy sorrow , and as thy friend i lay this before thee , and do in plainnes tell thee , if thou thus utterly deny the people of god in the day of thy prosperity , and thus wholy cast them out of thy service , they cannot stand by thee nor own thee in the day of thy trouble , and such as thou cleavest unto may be a broken staffe in thy time of need ; ah friend , these things do shew that thy heart is not right in the sight of the lord , and that justice and true judgement , righteousnesse and truth is even despised in this land , and not encerely owned by thee , when as such who feareth the lord , are thus cast out of judicatories in thy government , and out of defence in thy armies ; what , is this the end of that long travel in wars , and of so many fair promises of liberty of conscience , that just men should thus be dealt withal , the heathen kingdoms may mock at this , that while some have pretended liberty of conscience , are become persecutors of such whose consciences are justly exercised , and as i have some time said to thee , much injustice and great oppressions and cruel persecutions continues daily to be acted in thy name , which is numbred up against thee upon account , because of hiding thy face from the cry of the poor , as one without bowels of compassion unto such who have truely served with thee in a faithful service for the common-wealth , who many of them now are grievious sufferers under thee . consider of these things , and search what will be the end of them , the lord open thy understanding , that more of the wisdom of god may guide thee , and lesse of the policie and wisdom of man , which will betray thee of gods kingdom , and may in the end cast thee down in this world also edward burrough . the original of this was delivered to his hands in the fifth moneth , 1657. friend , it is upon me , and also i am pressed in spirit thereunto , to give unto thee , even unto thee oliver protector , the perfect measure of thy dominions , and how they stand in relation to thee as concerning the affections of the people towards thee , whereby thou mayest understand thy own condition , and the state of thy government as i have viewed it in true judgment , and marked it upon serious consideration , and what i writ is in perfect love unto thee , how ever thou mayest judge of it , and of these things it will be well for thee to consider , now while it is time ere it be too late . many enemies thou hast which watches over thee for evil and not for good , who would rejoyce in thy overthrow ; and first there is a people scattered through all these nations who is full of wrath and ravening envy towards thee , even of those known by the name of malignants party , in whose hearts to this day there is continual hatred , and evil surmising lodgeth against thee and all thy off-spring ; and i believe ( without any further knowledge ) that daily advantage they seek against thee , by subtil conspiracies and secret plottings , of maliciousnesse in their evil hearts , seeking by all means if it be possible how to be avenged , and not sliping any advantage how to revenge themselves , and the cause of their king , and of these scattered under thy government is not a few but rather the greater number , who thus stands in affections to thee , with no better purpose of good towards thee , then to destroy thee by any means if it were in their power , and to take away thy name in reproach , such is the cruelty and desperatenesse of some of them , their own lives are not dear unto them , to take away thine ; i have felt the strength of their rage against thee , which carries them above sence , or fear to forego any danger that they might see their desired end of thee ; their malice towards thee is so seated in their wrathful hearts , that it cannot easily be quenched , i know the lord hath cursed them and their endeavours to this day , and thou hast had dominion and power given thee of god to bruise them , and to break them to pieces ; and what thou hast done unto their king should not be reckoned against thee by the lord , if now thou wert faithful to what he requireth of thee ; for because of the wickednesse of that generation which was grown to the full , did the lord raise thee up as a plague upon them , because of their unrighteousnesse , oppression and tyranny , and they were made as slaves and bondmen under thy power , and without the lord can they not at any time do any thing against thee , but what and if for thy wickednesse in the sight of god , he should make them instruments in his hand to accomplish his wrath upon thee , even like as he made thee once his instrument to overthrow them , and such hath been the lords doings , even to overthrow his enemies one by the other , and to use the wicked as a rod in his hand , to break them one against another like potsherds ; and by that which comes to passe in these nations , thou seems no lesse then to tread in their steps , and in a measure already goes on in their way in oppressing ( through tyranny , or suffering it ) the people of god whose cause the lord will assuredly plead against thee one day , who now suffers under thee in patience , and who can tell the purpose of the lord , or what he may bring to passe concerning this thing , in raising up the wicked to be a plague to wickednesse , and in suffering the oppressors to overthrow oppressions ? this is by me in love to thee in sencerity declared , and by thee with soberness and in the fear of god it is to be considered . again there is another people scattered through all these dominions , who is not thy friends nor wishers well unto thee or thy government , who secretly murmures against thee , and envies thee , and even seekes god against thee and thy government , which they judge to be not according to god , and bowes not to it in love ; though they are forced to submit for a time , hoping continually if not hatching other wayes of rule and government to the overthrow of thee and thine ; and these are more honest , and upright , and just in the sight of the lord then the former ; and indeed they are not nor their purposes accursed of the lord , for many of them have been sufferers , and faithfully served their nation with perfect purpose of freedom to the lords people , and they have at this day perfect zeal for god and for his wayes , though not altogether according to knowledge , yet some of them are not far from the kingdom of god ; though they seek it not wholly in the right way , nor looks onely with a single eye ; yet doth not the lord hate them altogether because of their integrity towards him and zeal for him ; who some of them have suffered imprisonment for truth and righousness sake , as they have wholly thought ; and their suffering hath not been altogether slighted by the lord ; and these are they known by name of the fifth monarchy , of whom there is more then a few , with them that wishes well unto them , who will rise up for them rather then for thee , many of whom propounds well in their minds , though they have not power to effect it , because their intent is not altogether according to the lord , yet are many of them free from that whereof thy self is guilty , and some of them are cast out and wholly rejected without any just cause , as they suppose , and these things have grieved their spirits , and not onely kindled their rage and envy , but moved their sincerity and honesty against thee ; wherefore they are not thy friends but rather thy enemies ; and would not stand by thee or with thee in thy need , but rather i suppose would arm themselves against thee and thy power , who highly charges thee ( as they suppose justly too ) with unfaithfulness and such like , for they see that is not accomplished which hath been promised by thee , but the contrary , even one finger is become as heavy as was once the loynes ; and their spirits are grieved against thee for such causes , and who knowes but that the lord may take the occasion to trie thee and prove thee by them , for their hearts are high against thee and thy government , and that upon good ground , as they sincerely think . again , there is through thy dominions a people gathered and gathering dayly by multitudes , who are called and chosen of him and faithful to him , who hath owned him above all things , and whom he hath owned and will own in the sight of the whole world , and will encrease them to a numberless number , according to his promise ; and even those the lord is making many who are redeeming out of the world , into the government and kingdom of jesus christ , and these thou knowest are great and grievous sufferers ; by many hard and cruel oppressions , from those who are in authority in thy government , even unjust imprisonment and fines and burthensome taxations , in many things hard to be expressed ; and they undergo grievous persecutions under thy government , and wholly unjustly in the sight of god , and also are cast out of all power and place in it , and almost out of all subjects priviledge too ; many of them being counted as vile amongst men , though they are not so in the sight of the lord , justice , and righteousness and true judgement they cannot have in all these nations , not from thy self nor subservant judges , of whom hardly can their cause be heard : but are deprived of their proper right , and of subjects freedom in judicatories , and exposed to all wrong that may be by unjust men through unjust judgement , and these things are not unknown to thee , and therefore art thou inexcusable in the sight of the lord , and guiltie of their sufferings in his presence , who hath power to prevent it but doth it not , and these thus suffering in thy government and under it , how can they stand for thee and thy government , or out of pure love be subject thereunto , though be it known to thee that we ( the people of god ) doth not envy thy person or government in the least , neither hath purpose of seeking advantage against thee , or it to hurt or betray you by secret plotting or turbulent arising , as others may , yet friend the want of our prayers to god for thee , is worse to thee then the secret plotting of all wicked men . and how can we mention thee in our prayers to god except it be to be delivered from thee , who are dayly cruel and unjust sufferers by thee or because of thee , as i have said , or how can we be friends to that government , or subject to obey that power under which we dayly suffer such hard and cruel things , as the loss of our liberty and estates , and danger of life also ? let that light in thy own conscience judge , though for all these things , we do rather pitty thee , and desires thy repentance , then conspires against thee , or wisheth thy destruction , yet oughtest thou to consider of these things with a humble heart , and what a condition thou art in , who is hated of the wicked with deadly hatred , and not loved of the saints because thou lovest not the lord ; also it might make thy heart to tremble to consider how that thy dominions are thus devided , and the affections of the people thus dis-united , and few of them thy real friends , some having real offence given by thee ; wherefore they are forced to loath that government which is unjust ; and others verily supposing of great wrong sustained from thee , wherefore they are turned against thee . moreover & besides all this , greatly it may be suspected that even they in whom thou dost repose confidence , who seems to cleave unto thee , may not be altogether true unto thee , though in appearance subject , yet may have secret hypocrisie and hatching of evil in their minds , if it were possible , to uncover thy nakedness , and some others also there may be , who may make use of places under thee , which may have no more affection to thee nor service for thee , then while their own ends of great advantage are served under thee , by their subjection to thy government ; and now friend , these things being justly considered and viewed by thee in righteousness , how is thy dominions as a broken vessel , that cannot easily be bound up , and as a bruised reed not to be confided in by thee ? and these several sorts of people being substracted out of the whole , how few is it that thou wilt find that are thy real and faithful friends , who may stand by thee in a needful time ; some out of envy cannot be subject to thee , and others for the fear of the lords sake cannot own thee in such a government , whereby the just suffers , even all men are ready to stand afar off from thee , and because thou hast denyed the people of god , therefore cannot he be thy trust ; and verily thy state and the state of thy dominions are truly to be lamented , thou hast so much sought thy self , that thou hast lost almost all people and their affections , every one judging themselves to be the greatest sufferers under thee ; ah consider , for thou art but the head of a disjoynted body , which may not easily be bound up to thee ; and thou art lost for lack of true knowledge , for the lord hath done many things for thee though thou hast not known it altogether , and much less then knowest thou of those things which are eternal , which belongs to thy peace , it shewes thou ownes not the lord who cannot own his people , but rather counts them thy enemies and suffers all evil to be inflicted upon them ; and this is the greatest of thy misery , in that the lord hath been so good unto thee , and thy promises so large towards him for the freedom of his people , and yet all forgot and the lords goodness not answered , and his people made as slaves and bondmen under thee , suffering the loss of liberty , and even their birth-right priviledge in many parts of these nations ; wherefore be awakened o man , and sleep not totally in carelesness , but remember thy self , either to perform the good , or at least to escape the evil which may suddenly come upon thee . and this i have written to thee out of perfect love in the fear of god , without the fear of any man , or without any secret or open envying of thee , couldst thou but own the lord , he would be thy strength to forgive all thy iniquities and blot out thy sin , and to defend thee from all thy enemies ; and above all things love judgement , mercy and truth , and fear before the lord , and let not his people be thy bond-slaves , who is more dear unto the lord then all earthly glory is unto thee , and if thou couldst own them , they would own thee in the face of all thine enemies , many times hast thou been warned , and that from the lord , and thou shalt confess it , when the lords hand is upon thee and thou delivered into the will of thy enemies , remember that i have told thee what the lord hath shewed me , happy art thou if thou canst receive it , that peace may be unto thee and not war , salvation and not condemnation , renown and not dishonour , which waits for thee , except thou turn to the lord . edward burrough . the original of this was delivered to him in the seventh moneth , 1657. to the protector and counsel . a servant of the lord , and to you a friend wisheth grace and wisdom , the spirit of sound judgement , and the knowledge of god unto you , that in all things true justice and righteous judgement may be brought forth , and abound unto all people , that you may be more honourable , and may be made a blessing to your selves and this nation , and to generations after you ; but alas my friends , how long shall justice and true judgement be neglected , and the innocent deeply groan for want thereof ? how long shall it be ere the distressed cry of the unjustly afflicted enter into your hearts , i say when shall your ear be bowed down to hearken to , and consider of the guiltless cause of many of the faithful subjects , who lies deeply afflicted through this nation , some under one cruel bond of oppression and some under another , being most unjustly and wickedly imposed upon them by cruel men , who perverts justice and turneth true judgement backwards , and neither fears god nor regards men , but contrary to justice and the good lawes of this land , as men without reason and natural affections to mankind , doth act most illegally , to the grievous oppression of many approved & faithful subjects , and the true knowledge and consideration hereof is enough to pierce the hardest heart , and to vex the most patient mind , and undoubtedly the fierce anger of the lord is greatly kindled because of these things , and even against your forbearance , who seems to take little notice of such cruelties and in justice when they are layed before you ; for you do not relieve the oppressed , neither doth remove oppressors as you ought to do , and as the lord requireth of you ; what , hath the abundance of this worlds glory and its treasure quite overcome and stollen away your hearts wholly from all sence and feeling of the unjust sufferings of your brethren , who have in times past as faithfully as your selves served their nation with their lives and estates , to the purchasing of this peace and freedom out of the hands of tyrants , and such may now justly claim the benefit of this peace and freedom , and to have a part with you therein , even by birth-right , and by purchase , and also by promise from some of your selves ? but alas , while they have waited for it and thought peaceably to enjoy the same under you , are many of them entrapped into as great bondage as ever , if not more woful and unjust , and they are unjustly imprisoned and unreasonably fined , and every way oppressively dealt withall , and are even spoiled in their persons and estates , & their lives often in danger , being through great injustice become a prey to their very enemies , who now takes occasion to revenge their former cause because of their faithfulness for the commonwealth against them , and all this is done while you look on , and no way shewing your dislike to these things , wch strengtheneth greatly the hands of evil doers , to add to the bonds of the afflicted , yet are you without excuse , for you are not wholly ignorant of these things , for the knowledge of them hath often been layed at your doors , yea and the very cry of these oppressions and cruelties reacheth through the whole land , to the wounding deeply of all people that fears god , to know so great injustice and oppression brought forth upon the innocent and faithful people , by some so far entrusted as having the law committed to them ; which they pervert and turns judgement backwards , and the greater is the wound because you who have power to stop and prevent these things , should no more regard to set at liberty the unjust sufferers , and to render judgement upon those as thus perverts true justice , by whom the land is filled with violence , whereby the name of the lord is greatly dishonoured , and the government greatly reproached in many parts of the world , why , because the faithful subjects cannot enjoy their birth-right priviledge , as they ought , according to the law of god and man ; for their equals , yea their inferiours have exalted themselves above and are become oppressors of the free born people , & divers ways doth these hainous oppressions & cruelties abound upon the innocent , and not for evil doing but for the exercise of their pure consciences towards god ; for many hath been taken travelling on the high way , and some out of peaceable meetings , and some out of their innes and friends houses , and by some wicked men in authority , without shewing just cause therefore , have just innocent men been whipped , or stocked , or imprisoned , or other cruelties done unto them , and yet the transgression of no just law truely charged against them , neither have been convicted of any evil doing , but they have suffered wholly innocently , onely through the malice and will and pleasure of their enemies , who have taken occasion without any just offence at all to stock and whip and imprison many of the true and faithful subjects , and this hath not been done in secret but openly in many parts of this nation , and you have had information of these things , that you should have been awakened to true justice & judgment , and this the lord requireth of you , though the guiltless sufferers have born all these things without complaining , yet ought you to have judged justly , according to their deeds , such as caused such cruelty and unjust sufferings , that for time to come the like might not have been brought forth , but the free subjects might live in peace , and rejoice under the government , and all perverters of judgment and justice might stand in awe and be afraid , so should you be a praise to ages after you , and likewise many who are at this present remaining in prisons in divers parts of this land , some upon one false accusation and evil surmizing , and some upon another , for a good conscience sake ; the cause of whom hath often bin laid before you , which seemed for the present to have some entrance upon you , yet little is brought forth by you as ought to be in that cause , for though none of any such doth complain unto you , who have and doth unjustly suffer , yet the lord doth require you to set the oppressed and falsely imprisoned at liberty , and to bring true judgment forth upon their persecutors ; also there is another suffering great and grievous growing upon many , if it be not prevented , many faithful and approved men are dispossessed of their freedom , which truly belongeth to them by the law of god and man in divers cities and corporations , because for conscience sake they cannot swear , by kissing the book and laying the hand upon it , according to the vain tradition in such causes formerly used ; though to deal justly towards god and man in their craft and science they are bound by the law of god , yet because they will not swear , and so break christs commands , are they threatned , and their windows shut up , and dis-priviledged of their trading , whereby they should maintain themselves and families in the creation ; and this one thing tendeth to the destruction of many , as in this world , and no little hurt will thereby grow to the whole nation in a generation of time , and it is required of you by the lord to prevent these sufferings , though many can forgo their own freedom in this world , and their lives also , rather then break the least command of christ , and thus are many faithful people made a very prey to their enemies , and in divers manners it is brought forth upon them ; for many also suffers deeply in the house of correction , for reproving sin , and others are grievously spoil'd in their estates , because for conscience sake they cannot pay to maintain a professed minister , or uphold a steeple-house , for it is a common thing for a priest to take ( or have it done ) four or five times so much by distress as any way he can prove a pretended due ; and many other sufferings there are , which are only for conscience sake , as because some cannot put off a hat to a magistrate , or the like ; which gives an ill savour to the government in which they are acted without reproof . ah my friends ! be awakened to justice and true judgment , to relieve such unjust sufferers , and to throw down all such hainous oppressions and oppressors , that the lord may yet make you and your government blessed , after his long suffering to you which hath been great ; for justice and true judgement in a government is the happiness thereof , and the foundation for a long continuance ; and on the contrary , cruelty , and injustice , and oppression being brought forth , the more is the government unhappy and accursed , and the sooner will the lord overthrow it , and bring it to a desolate end ; and therefore my friends , let this great enemy to your persons , government and whole nation , to wit , persecution for conscience sake , be speedily removed , least the anger of the lord break forth against you , and repentance be too late , for this know , in all ages the lord stretched forth his hand , and in his time he quickly avenged himself for his peoples sake , after their innocent sufferings born by them for a season , and he is the same and changeth not , and the same will he bring to pass ; therefore i say again , be awakned , and let that deadly enemy be removed out of the land , as you tender your own safety and honour , and the glory of the name of the lord , and his peoples peace , even this very enemy , to wit , persecution for conscience sake , for it doth and will obstruct all your good purposes at home and abroad ; it eats away the affections of all good people from you , and it eats out your strength and valour , and it consumes the weakness of all your enemies ; verily , it is an enemy that will work your destruction speedily , both in this world and in the world to come , that of god in ye all shall witness me in the day of the lord ; i am your friend , and these things do i write as a friend unto you , as to warn you of that secret enemy , so much reigning and rebelling in this nation , which indeed may work a greater distruction upon you then any forreign invader , and this in time you may witness to your grief and sorrow , if something by you be not done to suppress it ; all health and peace i wish unto you in the lord , and thus far am i clear from the blood of you and all men , come life or death . edward burrough . the several copies of this was delivered to oliver and his counsel , in the 12th month , in the year 1657 : oh! oliver , hadst thou been faithful , and thundred down the deceipt , the hollander had been thy subject , and tributers ; and germany had given up to have done thy will ; and the spaniard had quivered like a dry leaf , wanting the vertue of god ; the king of france should have bowed under thee his neck ; the pope should have withered as in winter ; the turk in all his fatness should have smoaked ; thou shouldst not a stood trifling about small things , but minded the work of the lord , as he began with thee at first ; sober men and true hearts took part with thee . oh! take heed , and do not slight such , least thou weaken thy self , and not disown such as the lord hath owned , thy dread is not yet all gone , nor thy amazement ; arise and come out , for hadst thou been faithful , thou shouldst have crumbled nations to dust , for that had been thy place ; now is thy day of trial , take heed of joining hands with the wicked against the innocent , but hear the voice of god , and that will keep thee from hardness of heart , and mind the law of god , with which thou maist answer that of god in every one , and his fear and his dread to be in thy family , and that thou maist come to break the jawes of the wicked , that rends the innocent ; and that thou maist be eyes to the blind , and legs to the lame , and an help to them that cannot help themselves ; and take heed that any of thy servants that be under thy dominion of quenching the spirit , or limiting the holy one , but wait for the wisdom of god , that with it thou maist order all to gods glory , and all his creatures , by which wisdom they were created and made , and that thou maist find the blessing of the lord god with thee ; and take heed of flatterers , and take heed of wild light spirits , that will speak thee fair , but mind sober men , for there is mischief in many minds ; but if thou be kept in the power of god , and live in it , thou wilt live over all , and stop and cross and tread under the intents of wicked men ; and take heed in any thing they be not thy executioners , for now thou hast time , prize it . a lover of thy soul , and thy eternal good , and for establishing peace and righteousness amongst the people . g. fox . the original copy of this was delivered to him the 11th month , in the year 1657. dear friend , be still , and in the counsel of god stand , and that will give thee wisdom , that thou maist frustrate mens end , and calm mens spirits , and crumbel men under , and arise and stand up in the power of the lord god , the lambs authority , and fear not the face of man , but fear and dread the lord god , then his presence and wisdom and counsel thou shalt have to throw down the rubbish , and quell all the bad spirits under thy dominion , and fear them about thee ; live in the lords power and life , then to thee he will give wisdom , and the pure feeling thou wilt come into , whereby thy soul will be refreshed , and it will be thy delight to do the will of god , and thy meat and drink , as thou in the pure eternal power , counsel , will and wisdom of god dwells , things all will be made plain before thee , and to thee from the lord god , in what thou doest for the lord god thou shalt have peace and the blessing , and in that so doing , all the sober true hearted people will be one with thee in travels , sorrows and pains , and then in that a blessing from the lord will come upon thee , will abound to thee and cover thee , as thou lives and art kept in the power and dread of the lord god of heaven and earth , where wisdom is not wanting , nor peace lacking , but peace enjoyed , and counsel and instruction from the lord god given , and the helping arm and hand that stretcheth over all the nations in the world , thou wilt feel it , and with that thou wilt come to break down all mens ends that they have to themselves , and the worships that men invent , and images they have set up , for the arm of the lord helps the righteous , by his hand he carries the lambs , which arm is turned against the wicked stretched over them , and the hand of the lord is against them that do evil , in which hand the soul is , and brings it into peace ; therefore live in the power of the lord god , and feel his hand that is stretched out over the nations , for a mighty work hath the lord to do in other nations , and their quakings and shakings is but entering . so this is the word of the lord god to thee , and a charge to thee from the lord god , in the presence of the lord god , live in the power of the lord god of heaven and earth , that will make all nations to tremble and quake , for those be gods enemies that be out of his power and counsel , and be thou faithful to god singlely , without respecting any mans person , but respect the lord and his work , and be obedient to his will singlely , without any end to thy self , living in the pure wisdom , counsel and instruction from god , then wilt thou see gods enemies that live out of gods wisdom , power and counsel , fall in their pits , snare themselves , fear where there is no fear , slaying themselves with their envy , and the power of the lord will clear all the wicked off of thee , as thou lives in it , and art kept in it , and this is the word of the lord god to thee , and live in the wisdom and life of god , that with it thou maist be ordered to his glory , and order his creatures to his glory , and be still and silent from thy own wisdom , wit , craft , subtilty or policy that would arise in thee , but stand single to the lord , without any end to thy self , then god will bless thee , and prosper thee in his wayes , thou wilt feel his blessing in thy generation , and thy mind stayed upon the lord , thou wilt be kept in perfect peace , without any intent to thy self , to the glory of the lord god , and there wilt thou feel no want , nor a failing nor forsaking , but the presence of the lord god of life with thee ; for now the state of this present age is , the lord is a bringing his people into the life which the scriptures were given forth from , in which his people shall come to have unity with god , with the scriptures , and one with another , for their establishing is in righteousnes , truth and peace , in which is the kindom of god . from a lover of thy soul , and eternal good . g. f. for the protector . friend , the salutation of my life wisheth well unto thee in the lord , and most especially that thy precious soul may be reedeemed out of death to god , and live , that thou mayest have a rest and habitation in him , when this world is no more . now whereas it is a general out-cry among the teachers and people of this nation , and also is doubted and hath been sometime objected by thy self , that the people called quakers are deluded and deceived , and in errour , and such like ; and now if it be possible that thy self and and others may be resolved concerning us ; put therefore all thy objections and doubtings into plain positions , or let the wisest of thy teachers do it for thee , and whatsoever thy self or any for thee can object against us , or what thou doubtest of , or stumblest at , either in respect of our doctrines or practice , let the matter be stated in plain words , in positions or queries , and if god permit , a sufficient answer thou maist receive , to remove all conscienceous scruples , and to confound all subtile alleadgments and evasions , whereby hereafter for ever thou maist be altogether inexcusable of all doubting or speaking against us , or suffering evil to be done or spoken against us upon that account ; and this am i moved to give forth and send to thee , that thou maist be satisfied , and all things tried and made manifest in the sight of all men , and that all rash judgement and false supposition , which lodgeth in the hearts of many , may be confounded and brought to nought , and let it be left off , to cry out deceivers and heresie , &c. and causing any to suffer upon suspition thereupon , but bring all things to light and true judgement , that what is proved to be the truth may be owned , and not persecuted any more , for we are willing to be made manifest to all men , and if any thing be objected against us , which may not be sufficiently answered and resolved to sober men , then our enemies are more free , and hath whereof to glory in against us ; but and if all occasions of stumbling be removed by answers according to the scriptures , and our principles , practices and doctrines thereby vindicated , then let all the teachers and all our adversaries shut their mouths from biting at us , and railing against us , and accusing of us to thee , and let thy ear be shut from believing lyes against the innocent , and let none suffer in thy dominion under the cruelty of men upon such a ground ; and hereof i should be glad to receive an answer , and to joyn issue in this cause , and in the mean time alwayes am a lover of thy soul , but a witness against all oppression ; e. burrough . this was delivered to his hands at hampton court , in the 4th month 1658. for the protector . friend , know that there is a god that doth whatsoever he will , all power is in his hand , and he bringeth to pass the counsel of his own heart , and he rules in the kingdoms of men , & bringeth down & setteth up , he killeth & maketh alive , & he changeth times & seasons & governments , & bringeth to nought the counsels of men , for all power in earth and in heaven is in him ; and all his doings are right , and his wayes are equal ; and thou and all mankind are as clay in the hand of the potter , he can honour and exalt as he pleaseth , and he can mar and break to pieces and dishonour whensoever he will , wherefore be humble and low in heart before him , for he is the highest power that subdueth all things under his feet ; if he wound who can heal ? and if he kill there is none can make alive ; and know thou it is the lord god almighty that doth this ; in whose hands are the issues of life and death , and he it is who can break thee down and build thee up , who can wound thee and restore thee , and bring thee to destruction , and say unto thee return , and to know him that doth this , belongs to thy eternal peace . wherefore hearken thou to the word of the lord , that thy soul may come out of death and live ; and fear the lord god , before whom thy heart is naked and bare ; who can mould thee and change thee , and fulfill his pleasure upon thee , even according to his own will , and who shall say what doth he ? and now come to consideration , and let thy heart be more upright before him , & chuse his way and counsel , that he may blesse thee , and seek his face to behold his countenance , that thy soul may be satisfied by his word , and the milk of the word may nourish thee unto life immortal , and mind his pure presence which is life , even god with thee ; christ the immanuel to dwell with and walk in thee ; which is the promise of the father ; and first come to the principle of god , and feel the word of god in thy heart , that will beat down the nature into which temptations enters , and the word will bring thee to war against and to overcome all thy enemies , which would defile thee or betray thee ; and it will bring thee to know a birth immortal born in thee , and a crown immortal received from god that dies not nor fades not away , and then he that rules over heaven and earth will be thy shepherd to feed thee , and thy teacher to guide thee , and thy counsellour to direct thee in all things ; and thy immortal soul will be satisfied with the bread that cometh down from heaven which the father giveth , and the covenant of god and the mercies of david that are sure will be revealed , and his promise fulfilled in thee ; and life and immortality brought to light through the gospel which is the power of god , which destroyes and puts off , and confounds the first man and his knowledge ; and wisdom , and his sin and righteousness , all which is in transgression against the life of god , and the gospel the power of god being received , it will raise up the seed of god in thee , and bring thee to know the second adam , the image of the father which the devil hath nothing in , but he overcomes the devil who hath been the lamb slain by transgression , since the foundation of the world ; and he it is that comes out of death that must take away thy sin and destroy it , and cover thy nakedness , and create thee a new , and give thee acceptance in the father whereby thy soul in him may be refreshed , and a habitation in him thou maist have when this world is no more , and for this thou oughtest to wait above all things . and friend , thou hast need of the wisdom of god , which is from heaven to guide thee in all thy affairs , that by it thou may be preserved from the will of thine enemies , and from all that hate thee , that their eye may be blinded that watch for evil , and their wisdom and policy confounded and brought to nought that hatches mischief against thee ; so feel a measure of the wisdom of god in thee to guide thee in dread and authority , and thy enemies will be afraid ; for to walk in the fear of the lord and in his wisdom and authority , in justice , truth and righteousness , that will make thee a greater terrour unto thy enemies then all worldly policy and craft ; the nations will over reach thee , if thy strength be there , and if judgement , justice and righteousness be neglected by thee , how should the lord honour thee and defend thee ; nay he will bring dishonour , and give thee into the will of thy enemies ; for want of truth and just judgement causeth a land to mourn , and her people to sit as a widow comfortless , wherefore love judgement , truth and righteousness , and walk therein , and thou wilt leave a praise behind thee and a witness to other ages that thou hast served the lord in thy generation , and then thy memorial shall never die , nor thy name come into reproach among the heathen ; wherefore let all oppression be removed , and let the just go free , and let judgement and righteousness run down , and be thou a praise and a blessing to all that do well , and a rerrour and a dread to all the contrary ; arise and stand up for the lord , and he will give thee strength and victory , and will make thy horn as iron and thy hoof as brass to push down down and tread under the high places of idolatry , in all the apostatized churches both papists and others out of the life of the apostles , and as thou comes into the life the apostles were in , then thou wilt see and fathome over all this profession of christ , and all these churches that are without the life of christ which is come up in the apostacy , and as the life of god ariseth in thee thou wilt see who the false prophets are and deceivers which christ prophesied of should come , and iohn saw were come in his dayes , which hath over-spread the nations , and these are they which hath the sheeps cloathing upon them ; but inwardly they are ravening wolves , and such are they that will flatter thee for great benefits and places , and large maintenance , they have christs words and the apostles words , the sheeps cloathing , but they that put not into their mouthes they will prepare war against them , and raven upon them , cast their bodies into prison or spoil their goods ; and wilt thou bring thy name into dishonour to all the saints upon earth , by defending of these in their evil wayes , thou oughtest not to do it , nor to suffer the innocent to be troden down and destroyed for denying such , and witnessing against them that are out of the life of christ , and a great overthrow will the lord make among those teachers , and such a ministry that need to be defended by carnal weapons , and by stockes and prisons ; for such teachers and ministry is not of christ , as is manifest ; and as people have been scattered after them for ages , so they shall again be gathered from them by the spirit , to follow the lamb whethersoever he goes . and take heed these teachers come not too near thee , neither put confidence in them , for their hearts are not right before the lord ; and they will flatter thee while they hatch evil against thee , but stand over them in the dominion of god ; and if they sow spiritual things , let them reap carnal by a free gift , and if they have flocks let them eat of the milk freely given them , and if they have planted any thing let them eat the fruit , as it comes freely , and be not thou combered about maintaining ministers , but free thy self of that burthen , neither suffer innocent men to be troden down and destroyed in their persons and estates about the maintaining of such teachers , which is become the grievousest oppression in the nation . and as concerning thy family , thou hast need of gods wisdom to guide thee , that thou mayest rule in gods authority over all light , loose , proud , wanton , ungodly , and deceitful persons ; take heed of such spirits , for they will be a temptation to thee to draw thee into evil , and into the world out from god , let no such be thy companions , nor remain in thy house , lest they betray thee with flatteries and honour which perisheth , and such professe much love and great duty in words , yet they being out of the fear of the lord , cannot be blessed unto thee in their service ; wherefore love such men and let them be thy companions that fear the lord ; and that are solid and sober and upright , such as may be good examples before thee , which will quench evil and not increase it in thee ; and though such appear not in flatteries towards thee nor with a double minde , yet they will be faithful to thee , and such will the lord blesse unto thee ; and let no drunkards nor covetous , evil minded persons that seeks themselves and not the lord have place with thee , for they will be a dishonour to thee , and bring the curse into thy family : and love such as makes conscience of their words & ways , and be not an oppressor of the tender conscience of any , but let the lord be ruler there both in thy self & in all thy family ; and be of a pittiful , tender mind and spirit towards strangers and all people ; and be kind and long suffering towards all , yet let justice reach to all transgressors , and be an example to all in authority under thee ; and let not evil and cruel hearted men bear any place , for such renders thee and thy government dishonourable , and by such the land is filled with violence , and the just mourns , whereby the blessing is kept far away , & the curse near , ready to devour : now friend , if thou come to be guided by the spirit , and with the wisdom of the father , then thou wilt bring the nations into good order , whereby the inhabitants may live in peace and perfect freedom from all oppressions and vexations that now is a bondage upon the just and upright , for there is great corruption entered into all places , and sorts of men , and when the lord toucheth thy heart and makes thee rightly sencible of all things as now they stand , then thou wilt see the ministry as now it stands to be quite degenerated from what the ministry of christ was in the dayes of the apostles , before the apostacie ; and as it now stands there is much of it which is to be thrown down to the ground , and crushed to pieces ; for it s corrupted altogether , even in the way of its setting up and of its call ; and in the way of its maintenance and practice , in all these things it is corrupted and degenerated from what the ministry of christ was before the apostacy ; and this may be proved by the scriptures , and so it is not to be upholden by thee , but to be corrected and thrown down the rather . and likewise in magistracy , thou wilt see great corruption entered , and abundance to be purged out , for it is much degenerated from the state as it was ordained of god , and in the lawes there is much to regulate and correct , when thou comes to the principle of god in thee ; if ever that arise in thee , it will bring thee to thresh down and trample down all unjust men that handles the law , and all such that judge for gifts and rewards ; and all such lawyers that devours the innocent for gifts , that will not plead the cause of the poor without great fees ; and all the priests that preach for hire , and the teachers that teach for filthy lucere and to get gain , all such men will be counted as bryers and thorns by thee , to be plucked up by the roots , and to be cut up as evil trees which cumbers the ground , for such doth corrupt the land and cumbers it ; and if ever the lord doth arise in thee he will reward them by thee according to their wayes , whose wayes are corrupt before the lord . and as concerning thy war and armies abroad in spain , something there is in it known to the lord , seek not thy own honour in it , but be faithful , and leave the issue of all things to the lord ; make no covenant with idolators , but tread down their idol gods that they have set up , and hew down their mountains in which their confidence stands , and plow up their ground that the seed may be sowen after thee : its honour enough to be the lords plowman , be thou faithful in what the lord calls thee to , and thou shalt have thy reward , and seek his honour and he will honour thee ; and let thy mind be to the lord in all things , and feel his word and power and presence in thee , to quench all that which is contrary , and then thou wilt be blessed in this life and in the life to come ; but if thou continue in thy oppression , the lord will suddenly smite thee . by a friend unto thee in the lord , e. burrough . this was given to oliver cromwel his hands at hampton court in the 6 mon. 1658. about a moneth before his death . for oliver cromwel . friend , the lord hath visited thy house , because thou hast suffered thy servants , to smite the servants of the lord , and lambs of christ , and prisoned his lambs , and sons , and daughters , some until death ; therefore thy sons , and daughters , and servants will i take away with death , and visit thee and and thy house with sicknesse saith the lord , and thou shalt know that i am the lord who reigns ; therefore spare my sons and daughters , that i may spare thee and thy house , and that thou mayest know that i am the lord ; oh! how art thou fallen under men ? and thy house will suffer as long as my sons and daughters and servants suffers by thee and thy servants , and die in prison , and you not visiting them , nor suffer their own friends to visit them ; therefore take heed least thou become as weak as water . and friend , thou shouldest have invited all the christians upon earth in all nations that are against popery to thee , to come in and joyn with thee against popery , for thou hast had authority , stand to it , loose it not , nor abuse it , nor let any other take thy crown , and do not stand cumbering thy self about dirty priests that flatter thee for means , for thou hast had fair warnings , and thou hast had power over nations , for nations begins to be upon heaps , and nations and tongues , and multitudes are waters , and the beast hath power over them who hath long reigned , and they begin to swell , and the whore sits upon them ; neverthelesse , do not thou heed nor fear them , nor be of a doubtful mind , neither fear their amazements , but let thy heart be single to god , and wait , that the seed of god in thee may come until the top stone be layed , and invite all them that professe against the pope in all nations to joyn with thee against him , and do not loose thy dominion nor authority , nor the wisdom of god , but with that thou may order all , that will keep thee single in heart and mind to the lord , and let thy souldiers go forth with a free willing heart , that thou may rock nations as a cradle , and keep thou in the fear of the lord , and all thy souldiers , and them that be under thee , this is a charge to thee in the presence of the lord god , that thou nor them may lose the dread of the lord , for that is it that strikes terror in the hearts of all people , and set all the prison doors open for them to come forth that are imprisoned for churches and ministers maintenance , and worship , and learn the pacience , for the lords work is begun already in other nations , and the patient spirit remaines in the lords work , for that is it that tries , stands and abides , which gets the victory , and obtains the crown ; if any hurt come to thee , it will be through thy disobedience to the lord . i am a lover of thy soul and eternal good , an establisher of righteousnesse . g. fox . written the tenth of the 6th month , 1657. this is for the protectors kindred , his wife and children , to be read soberly by them in the fear of god . friends , remember , that by the lord you were raised from a low state , and when he will , he can abase you and bring you down , he gave you the palace of princes , and threw out the high and mighty before you , because of their wickednesse , which was great in the sight of the lord . oh , remember this every one of you , and come to the witnesse of god in you , and be humble , and meek , and lowly , and let the lords fear be in your hearts , and be of a tender spirit , having your mindes exercised in purity , in holinesse , and in righteousnesse , and exalt not your selves , nor be lifted up in your hearts in the pride and vain glories and honours of this world , least the lord cast you down , and make your name and posterity a reproach , as he hath done many before you , even for that cause was the generations of the stewarts cast out , and if you walk in the same steps , and do the same things , and become guilty of the same abominations , and suffer the children and servants of the lord to be persecuted ( as many are at this day , some until death ) shall the lord spare you ? nay , he will cause you to feel his hand of judgement , and bring you down with sorrow , and he will vex you in his wrath , and smite you with his rod more and more , till you learn his fear , and depart from all your iniquities , and the lord will deface your glory , and pull down your crown , and he will make you know that he is the lord that doth whatsoever he will ; wherefore humble your selves under the hand of god , and search your own hearts , and cast out the abhominations that vexeth the spirit of the lord , and suffer not the people of the lords pretious flock to be devoured , and made a prey to the wicked , for because of this , the rod of affliction cometh upon you , and may suddenly break you to pieces ; but mind the seed of god in you , which is oppressed , and wait to know the power of the lord which will redeem you out of sin and death , and reconcile you to god , and bring you into fellowship with himself , to enjoy peace and rest for your soules , that you may be made heires of the inheritance of an endlesse life , and this would make you truly honourable , and will be more satisfaction to you , and joy and content , and true rejoycing , then all worldly crowns and worldly glories , which will waste and consume away , and leave you miserable ; and remember that you are now warned from the lord god , by whom i am moved to write this unto you in dear and tender love to you all , and one day you shall witnesse it : and as concerning the quakers ( so called ) who are accounted as vile in the sight of men , and are cast out of all power and place in the nation , being despised of all , and also are reproached , persecuted , and imprisoned , and all manner of evil and injustice unrighteously done and spoken against them ( by wicked and corrupt men in authority ) yet are they the children and servants of the living god , and greatly beloved of him , and are as dear to him as the apple of his eye , and his power and presence is with them , and the time is at hand that the lord will make their persecutors fall , and their enemies bow and tremble , though now they suffer unjustly , and are troden down , as not deserving a place on the earth , yet it is for righteousnesse sake , and because they shew forth the image of the father , and not for evil doing ; and will not their sufferings lie upon you ? for many hundred have suffered cruel and great things , and some the losse of life , though not by , ( yet in the name of the protector ) and about a hundred at this present day lies in holes and dungeons , and prisons up and down the nation , and some at this time are sick nigh unto death , whose sufferings cries for vengeance , and the lord heareth the cry ; wherefore save your selves , and let the innocent be delivered , and the cruel bonds of oppression broken , and the exercise of a pure conscience go free without persecution , and then the lord will turn away his anger , and cease to smite you with his rod which hath been upon you , and he will give you peace , and make you blessed if you come to be lead by his spirit into all truth ▪ and though these innocent lambs of christ suffer thus under this present power , yet are they not enemies to you , but are friends to your persons and families , and pitties you , and loves you , and desires well for you in the lord , that you may repent and be healed , and even that your hearts may be opened , to receive refreshments to your souls , and that you may be established in righteousness and truth over all your enemies , and may not be confounded , nor your posterity brought into reproach , which is hastening upon you , and though our love be disputed & we accounted hateful in your sight ; and looked upon with derision ; yet we bare all things in patience , truly desiring your returning and repentance , and not your destruction , but if these doleful sufferings of the lords poor lambs be continued by this present power , it will destroy you and undo you , and break you , and confound you ; and the lord will not cease to smite you with his rod of sharp rebukes , and he will make you know his peoples cause shall not be unpunished , oh did you but know how hundreds have and do suffer , how the bodies of some have been tortured by stocks and cruel whippings , and how some lies sick in stinking holes and dungeons on the ground , or a little straw at best ; ten or often more in a prison together ; and sometimes their own friends not suffered to come to visit them with necessaries ; oh did but your eyes behold , or your hearts perceive the greatness of the cruelty which some of the lords dear servants and your faithful friends undergo , it would make your hearts ake , and your spirits to tremble , and all this is done in the name and under the authorty of ( protector ) therefore how should the lord but lay it to your charge and afflict him and his family ; he will make you know there is a god , that can do whatsoever he will , and that life and death are in his hand , and all creatures are as clay in the hand of a potter , and he rules in the kingdoms of men , and pulleth down one , and setteth up another according to his pleasure , but if the love of god be with-holden from you , it is because of disobedience to him , and your transgression ; wherefore be obedient to him , and love his wayes and judgements , that he may make you more happy , with a crown immortal that never fades away ; and remember once more the lord hath warned you , by a friend unto you in the lord , e. burrough . written the 1. day of the 7. month , called sept. 1658. copies of this were delivered to divers of his children and kindred the day before he died . to thee , richard cromwel ( called ) protector of these nations , is this moved of the lord god of heaven and earth , to be written for thy instruction from him . there is a great & mighty & innumerable people come & coming up out of aegypts land , travelling towards the land of rest , promised of the lord to them , to be obtained and enjoyed by them , and they do and have sojourned strangers in these nations ( over whom thou art called to rule , and appointed chief governour ) this 7 years , and greatly are and have they been afflicted and oppressed , and even trodden down through unjust judgment and unrighteous dealing , by the rulers and inhabitants of the land ; and all the dayes of thy father the late protector , they were held in great captivity and bondage , and unrighteous men made them a prey , and layed heavy yoaks of cruel sufferings upon them , and daily increased their task ; and something thy father did for them in their journey of great distress , yet but a little of what the lord required of him , and what the lord looked for that he might have done , for power was in his hands given him of the lord , but he was not fully obedient ; and therefore was the lords hand stretched out somewhat against him and his family , and he was smitten of the lord , and suddenly taken away in judgment , for he hearkened not to the counsel of the lord concerning that people , neither did fully relieve them from oppression , but slighted many warnings from the lord , & the day of his visitation passed over , and death took him away in disobedience , while this people were yet under great oppressions , for he left above a hundred of them in prisons , unjustly suffering for ●●righteousness sake , and not for evil-doing ; and in this he fulfilled not the will of god , but left his name and glory somewhat stained , because of these things ; and though the lord chose him , and shewed love unto him , and gave him power over his enemies , and made him an instrument in his hand to break down great oppressions , yet he was not obedient to the end , to do my will saith the lord , but left something undone which he was truly called unto . now this innumerable people that is come and coming up , as aforesaid , are them called quakers , and this aegypts land , is that great darkness , ignorance , and wickedness , and false ways and worships in the apostacy , and fleshly bondage to sin and death , which all the world , and kindreds , and multitudes that are unconverted to god lives and walks in ; and that land of rest promised , to which they travel , is , the peaceable and quiet dwelling with the lord , free from the heavy oppression of sin and iniquity and cruelties of men , and free in the exercise of their pure consciences by the spirit of the lord , as it shall move and lead them into all truth ; and their sojourning as strangers , is , their denying and despising the world , and all its glories , and walking in the daily cross of christ , whereby they are crucified to the love , and respect , and renown and honours of the world , and are come out of kindreds , tongues and people , counting the reproach for christ great riches , not respecting men , but the lord altogether in all things , and also their suffering unrighteusly , false imprisonment , and spoiling of their goods for righteousness sake , this is their sojourning as strangers ; and that something , that thy father did for them , is , he released many of them divers times out of prisons , where they were unjustly cast , and he signified sometimes his displeasure against them that made them suffer , and shewed love to them in hearing their innocent cause , with some respect thereunto ; and that which he did not , which he might have done , is , he took not away tithes , that cause of great oppression to many , nor the unrighteous laws wholly as he ought to have done , and as the lord required of him : and know thou from the lord , that this same people are the people of the lord , and beloved of him , and as dear to him , as the apple of his eye , and his presence is with them , and he leads them as a flock by his spirit into all truth , and who shall bless them shall be blessed , but he that acts against them shall not prosper , but be smitten of the lord , for their cause will the lord plead in his judgments , and avenge them of their enemies , and the dread of the lord god shall fall heavy upon the heads of their persecutors , and though they are hated of all men , and are under great afflictions , yet are they a just people , and innocent , seeking the good of all men , and are peaceable towards all , and receiving all manner of wrongs and evil , and speakings against them by ungodly men ; but they render to no man evil for evil , but bless them that curse , and do good to their enemies , and bears all things from all men in long suffering and patience for they are learned in the practices ( of doing and suffering ) of the holy apostles and prophets , and are of the seed of abraham , who was the friend of god , and they were thy fathers friends , and are not enemies to thee , nor to righteous government , but wishes well unto thee in the lord , and that thou may not be destroyed in wickedness , but be established in righteousness and peace in thy government , to rule in gods authority over all wicked men that may seek thy hurt ; and we desire for thee , that the lord may give thee wisdom & a perfect understanding , and the spirit of just and sound judgment , to judge righteously in all things , and to settle the government in true judgment , that the principle of god in every man may answer to it , in defending and preserving and protecting all that walk in truth and righteousness , and being a terrour to all evil-doers ; for , for that end is rule and government ordained of god amongst men , to be a praise to all that do well , and a terrour to all that do evil ; and now the lord having suffered it to be brought to pass , that thou art set up in thy fathers stead to be chief ruler amongst men , this the lord god almighty requires of thee , as thou hopes to prosper and be blessed in this life , and to enjoy life eternal when this world is passed away ; and this is the word of the lord god unto thee , be humble , meek and lowly in heart , and exalt not thy own horn , nor seek not this worlds honour , but seek the lord with thy whole heart , and let justice and true judgment and righteous government ( which is according to the law of god ) be set up and exalted in the nations , and come to know in thy self the dominion and authority of the lord god over sin and transgression , and to keep down and condemn all that which is contrary to god in thy own heart , and that will make thee a dread and a terrour to men and nations , and then the lord will be thy crown , and his people will rejoice in thee , and lift up their hearts to god for thee ; if thou throw down and abolish all unrighteous lawes and decrees , which have been set up in the days of ignorance , and yet stands , wherereby the lords dear children are afflicted and oppressed at this day , and establish such a government which is justly according to god , in which righteousness and truth , justice and true judgement may run down , and all the contrary may be stopped and chained , and limited and confounded ; and then that which thy father left undone , the lord will fulfil through thee , and doing these things , the lord would make thee truly honourable and happy , and blessed in this life and in the life to come ; but in doing the contrary , the lord will make thee a curse , and take thee away in his judgements , and thy name shall be left a reproach to ages for ever ; and if thou do rule in oppression and cruelty , and suffer the innocent to be destroyed for want of true judgement ; then shall thy dayes be fewer then thy fathers ; if thou be disobedient to him , the lord shall cut thee off , and thy memorial shall rot ; and this is the word of the lord god to thee . and as for this afflicted & sojourning people , they desire nothing to thee but truth & peace & righteousness , & no more of thee but justice , justice and true judgement , and that they and their little ones , which to them are brought forth , may sojourn in peace , and quietly pass through the nations , till they come up to the land of promise , and they may not carry away of the glory , nor riches of this world with them , nor seek great places of honour from thee , nor be hurtful to thee , nor the people , nor to mankind in their sojourning , only what the lord commands them , that they must do , and what he forbids , that they must not do , for they have chosen the lord to be their leader , and to give him their obedience in all things , and thy government so far as it is according to god , they will not destroy nor rebel against , but are true friends thereunto , & subject in all things ; and if thou walk with the lord , and chuse him for thy counsellor , and abase thy self , and altogether exalt him , and preserve his people that fear him , then shalt thou prosper , and thy name shall be greater then was thy fathers & the numberless number of this ( now ) distressed people will be unto thee a strength , and stand by thee in thy day of trouble , and defend thee and thy just government , and their hearts shall cleave to thee , and thou shalt prosper for their sakes , and none of thy enemies shall shall have power over thee to destroy thee , though many may seek for thy life ; wherefore my friend awake , awake , and now consider the day of thy visitation is present , and thy fathers is past , and now thou hast a time to gain unto thy self everlasting honour and renown , or otherwise to leave thy name a curse and a reproach for evermore ; do thou hearken to the voice of the lord , and fear his dreadful name , and bow before our god that made heaven and earth , who rules in the kingdoms of men , and pulleth down one , and setteth up another at his pleasure , and as he will , and he will make thee know that he lives and reigns over all , and doth whatsoever he will , and if he smite thee , none shall heal thee , and if he wound thee , none shall comfort thee ; therefore take him for thy counsellor , and beware of the wicked counsels of men , for thou hast many enemies , and they would rejoice to see thy fall , and if the lord be not on thy side , thou cannot long stand , but if thou be obedient to him , and preserve his people , and break down all oppression , then thy enemies shall fall , and thy foot shall tread them down , and the terrour of the lord shall be upon all that hate thee ; but thus shall it be done unto thee , if thou be disobedient to him , and reject his counsel by his servant . i am thy friend , and a lover of thy soul , and seeks thy happiness in this world , and in the world to come , known to many by of the name of edward burrough . the original of this was delivered to him , a few days after he was proclaimed protector . to richard cromwel , protector ( so called . ) friend , thou being chief magistrate of these nations , and dominions belonging thereunto , carry thy self wisely in the fear of god , and take heed of being lifted up , but be low , and grave and temperate , then thou wilt foresee dangers that would happen to thee , and come upon thee , and not a plot or act against thee , but wisdom foresees ; live in that ; mind the humility of moses , the meekness of moses , and the humility that solomon the king speaks of , who sayes , that before honour was the humility , prov. 15. and keep on thy own leggs , in the power and strength of the lord , waiting for his wisdom from above , by which all things were made and created , with which wisdom thou mayest be ordered to gods glory , and all thou hast under thy hand to his glory , that with it thou maist feel the blessing of the lord god of glory and life with thee , whereby thou maist come to see the law of god , and counsel and wisdom and strength from him , and understanding and knowledge , that with the law of god received of him , thou maist come to answer the principle of god in every man , which law of god , the higher power , goes over all transgressors , and with that order the creation , which will let thee see as it did moses that meek man , before any transgression was , the first transgression upon the earth ; this law the higher power to which the soul must be subject , the which is a terrour to the evil-doers , a praise to them that do well , is higher then all the transgressors & evil-doers upon the earth , and a terrour to them that do evil , which law and higher power answers the principle of god in every one that do evil , which goes from that of god in them . now this is for the praise of them that do well , for them that do well are led by the spirit of god , and such lives in the power , and this law was not made for the righteous , but for sinners and transgressors ; now there is no sinner nor transgressor upon the earth , but first goes from the principle of god in his own particular , then he goes out of the fear of god , and loses his wisdom and counsel , and such will turn the sword backward against the righteous , which the law was not made for , and by such hath all the righteous upon earth suffered , and such hath been all the persecutors upon the earth from the foundation of the world , that is first gone from the principle of god in their own selves , and have been in authority , they have persecuted the just , and turned it against the just , and made a prey of such as reproves in the gate ; yea , they that departs from sin and evil , comes to be their scorn , and these were they that made men offenders for a word , and compelled others to do such things which they could not , but sin against their own consciences , and against the lord , and such the lord soon cut down , and cut off , and swept away ; and often when things are young , they are tender , but when they grow up into prosperity , they grow wanton , and forget the lord ; therefore friend , live in gods wisdom , if thou wilt reign in his power and strength , then none shall touch thee , and all them that fear god , will be on thy side , and take thy part , and be one with thee in all thy sufferings , yea , till death . and friend , let no wilde raw flatterers that will be lifted up by gifts , rewards or high places bear any offices , for such to thee will be a burthen at last , and will clog thee , and flatter thee for their own ends ; shake off such spirits from thee , and let no judges or justices or priest be authorized that will persecute men for religion , for such are not in the mind of christ not the apostles , for they wrestled not with flesh and blood , nor watred with it , but with the principalities and powers and rulers of darkness , and spiritual wickedness in high places , eph. 6. 2. that they struck down , which caused the enmity amongst people , and they did not strike at the creatures , nor wrestle with them with flesh and blood , with such they did not war withal concerning religion ; and christ , when they would have had fire come down from heaven to consume them that opposed him and them , christ rebuked them , and told them , they knew not what spirit they were of , and he said , he did not come to destroy mens lives , but to save them ; so all judges and justices and priests , that will have mens lives destroyed , and war with flesh and blood , and wrestle with that about religion , they are not of the mind of christ and his apostles the true ministers , for abundance of prisonment to death and blood-shed hath been in these nations , by the blind zeal of magistrates , judges , justices & priests ; therefore that 's the cause the lord hath turned them upside down , that they stand not long , because they fight against the righteous and the just , and wrestle with creatures , and flesh and blood , such are not worthy to have the names of magistrates nor teachers , as thou maist read . and friend , take heed of letting any goaler bear office that 's a drunkard , prophane swearers , as many of them is , or letting people lye long in goales , twenty or thirty together , for such they learn badness together one of another , and goalers be bad examples to them , that they are worse when they come out , then when they went in . and friend , take heed of letting any judges exact upon the people in the poor countries where they come , and their courts by tricks , but keep them all to so saying and so doing , not saying one thing and doing another , for they have made many people come up to them 200 miles , and when they have come , they have said , they do not mean as they speak , and this be their tricks , as by their writs they must appear personally , and then when they come , they must appear by attorneys or counsellers , when the poor man knows his cause well enough himself . and friend , take heed of holding up the priests , and them called ministers , and giving them means and maintenance , for which they do not work , least in thy name they sue the people , and cast in prison till the death , and so make thy name to become a cloak for their persecution ; for who sets them on work let them pay them their wages , and whom they work for , let them give them their meat , and that will be like the ministers of the gospel ; and now thou being free of these things , keep thy self so . and friend , here is a great talk of religion and ministry , and profession and christianity , but if thou did but feel that which we feel and see , it would grieve thy heart , so much pride and haughtiness , and loftiness amongst people , and hard heartedness , that there is so many beggers , cripples , blind , lame men and women and children on their knees , women lying with children in their lapps up and down every corner , in the streets and high wayes and steeple , house doors , throughout this great rich city , that never knew want , and do not know many of them what to eat and drink and put on ; now if these things enter into thy ears , and tenderness strike thee , and thou consider , thou wilt feel it . now there hath been a cry of the jewes hard-heartedness , that turned against christ ; now friend consider , the jewes that took tithes had a store-house to put it in , and the tenths were enough for to relieve the strangers , fatherless and widowes , that there need not be a begger amongst them ; now i say , the tithes of this nation would give strangers , fatherless and widowes and priests enough both , if they had store-houses to put it in , that there need not be a begger amongst them , as there was not amongst the jewes , but then you must own christ is not come in the flesh ; for these tithes were set up since the dayes of the apostles , for they preached them not up , but down , as heb. 7. but they have been preached up since the apostacy , when all the want hath been , and before the apostacy among the true christians ▪ there was no want among them , every one had for his necessity ; now look amongst all the magistrates and ministery hear , and see how things are out of order , though there should be never such true lawes given forth , yet putting them into such corrupt magistrates hands ; they will never act them , but wrest them and pervert them and turn them against the righteous , and by that the just suffers . and friend , let none bear the office of judge , sheriff , justice or minister , that 's headdy , perverse and peevish , for such often slay themselves by their envy , and it eats out the good in them , and they will be a burthen to thee and a grief both , thou living in the power and wisdom of god , the simplicity in thee will be burthened as it is in us , and thou dealing in truth , it will stand by thee , and answer the principle of god in every man ; for such causes many poor men to go away with sorrow and grief . and let no man bear office , whatsoever his office may be , that would have honour before he have humility , for such will more mind honours below , earthly , and favours of men , then justice , and are out of solomons steps , who said , before honour is humility . and friend , take heed of giving titles to men , nor do not learn to do it , but mind elihu that young mans counsel that spake to iob that great rich man the judge , who said , if i give titles to man , which he had not learned to give titles to men , his maker would soon take him away , as thou may est read iob 3d. and the last . and friend , it is a just thing for thee to make all those ministers that have cast into prison abundance of the servants of the lord god , because they could not put into their mouths that for which they did not work for , nor never hired , and yet like ravenous wolves cast them into prison , for bidding them repent and fear god , and lay away their pride and their rings points , and superfluities , and tell them of their costly apparel , wearing gold rings and costly apparel , as said the apostle , it was not the wearing of gold or costly apparel , and such it may be for speaking to them have been cast into prison , and for telling them they be out of the doctrine of christ ; now to make all these put them out of prison again and all those justices likewise as have cast friends in prison for biding people fear god ; it may be moved of god to cry repentance through a town , or reprove sin in the gate , they cast them into prison as sturdy beggars , though men or women of sufficient estates ; now this gives an evil savour , now to make them put them out again , that will be for the convincing of people , and be a sweet savour , and the bringing and shewing the wisdom of the lord god to thee . and friend , take heed of having any to compell another to maintain his meeting house , or his clark to say amen , but that every one maintain his own meeting house , and if he will have a clark to say amen , let him pay him his wages , and every one if he will have a minister , to maintain his minister , for ther 's many thousands in the nations that they need not to say unto them know the lord , that hath the law of the lord written in their hearts , and put in their minds , and are come under his government , and knowes christ to be their teacher , and hears him , as god said , this is my beloved son hear ye him , and the apostle said to the hebrewes , god spake to our fathers by the prophets and visions , but now in these last dayes he hath spoken to us by his son , whom he hath made heir of all things , and upholdeth all things by the word of his power . and friend , let no drunkard nor swearer or prophane man keep innes , taverns or alehouses ; but such as fears god , whose houses are wholsom to lodge travellers , that no young nor old people may be nursed up in such idle places to act wickedness , and to keep games and sports , and things to play in their houses on purpose for people to spend and passe away their time in vanity , now this is an ill savour to a christian life , and which is common in the nations . and friend , let none that is called a minister that comes and creepes under thee for maintenance , tythes , and augmentations , let him first go plant , and plough , and thresh , and get a flock , and then let him reap and eat , for that is the apostles counsel , take it to thy side ; and then thou wilt not be cumbered with ministers , then thou wilt come to know the publick service that belongs to thy place , which is to do justice . and friend , let no officer whatsoever that is covetous after gifts or sums of mony , rewards or bribes , let no man that is such bear office ; for the gifts , rewards and bribes blindes his eye , and make him he cannot do justice , for because of such the helpless is not helped , and the jawes of the wicked is not broken , and for that cause the lord brings judgement upon a land ; and men are blinded with earthly honours , gifts , rewards and high places , and puffed up with honours , and do not see it how the lord brings judgement upon them and overturns them with his hand , & yet they take not notice who are crying peace , peace , but sudden destruction comes upon them ; so thy time is now , consider as thou stands in the wisdom of god , and lives in his fear , counsel and dread , and feels his hand and arm , and stands in his wisdom and power , thou wilt prosper and reign , but if any earthly honour blind thee , the lord will come upon thee when thou dost not see it , and turn thee into the earth , which the earthly honour comes to , and where god layes it down in the dust ; but whose honour is from him that 's from above , and hath his wisdom and power by which he made all the creatures , they shall reign with the lord god in his power , strength and arm . and friend , take heed how thou let any perverse , peevish , crosse , malicious justice or magistrate whatsoever bear any office , that will not do justice except they have earthly honour , but are in strife and peevish against them that cannot give it them , such magistrates have left the counsel of solomon ; but its honour for men to do justice , and it will be an honour for thee to do justice , and see that justice be done , and the greatest comfort in the world to thee , in that thou wilt have peace with god everlastingly , and happiness for ever , and his blessing , and know a world that hath no end ; so the lord god almighty preserve thee in his wisdom , counsel and strength over the heads of his enemies in thy self , and in the world both , that thou maist come to live in that which comprehends the world , which was before the world was made , in that , and with that thou maist come to order the creatures , by which wisdom of god they was made and created to his glory ; and friend take heed of putting of honest , godly men out of the army , or putting them out of place , being justices , and such as fears god , in so doing thou wilt blame thy self , and weaken thy authority , and remove thy self out of the hearts of them that fears god . from a lover of thy soul and thy eternal good and establishing of righteousness . g. f. from the church of christ and elect assembly , called of the lord and gathered by his spirit , and redeemed by his power from amongst men , & out of all the many false sects upon earth into fellowship with the father , and with the son , to follow the lamb whithersoever he goes , and we are named in scorn , and known in the nations by the name of quakers . to thee richard cromwel chosen to be protector , and chief magistrate governour of these nations of england scotland , and ireland , a faithful presentation and salutation by a servant of the church . we are rightly and truly sencible in all things of the mighty hand of the lord god who brings all things to pass by his own power , and according to his will , and in heaven and earth , and over the kingdoms of men he ruleth and reigneth , he buildeth and breaketh down , and planteth and plucketh up , and he pulleth down one and setteth up another , and who may say what doest thou ? or why dost thou it ? for he is a great god and a mighty , and his majesty is terrible , and all things in heaven and earth , and all the sons of men , are at his disposure , whose dominion is from everlasting to everlasting , and he may be feared and had in reverence by all creatures that hath life and breath . and in particular we are sencible of his great and mighty power , who hath of late years in these nations once and again overturned and overthrowed and changed at his pleasure , times , and powers and authorities , and dominions , and he hath brought down the mighty from their seats , and stained the crowns and glories of the honourable , and broken the stout-hearted , and the oppressors and their governments , as potsheards one against another , and made the highest of men of no respect before him ; for he hath pulled down and set up whom he would according to his will , and in all these things hath his hand been , the very doer and accomplisher thereof , that he might be known and feared amongst all people through the whole earth , who is the dread and terrour of men and nations . and as for thy father the late protector , great things and honourable did the lord do for him , in raising him up and casting out his enemies before him ; and giving him victory and power and renown through nations ; and we know the lord shewed favour to him , and gave him strength , wisdom , and valour , and a right spirit ; and he was called of god into that great work , to subdue the grievous tyranies once ruling over tender consciences , and to break down the great oppressions which for ages had caused the just to groan , and the lord was with him in victory and went before him , and was his defence and preserved him from great dangers , and from the wills of all his enemies , and made him prosperous against them all ; but yet we know ( to say no more of him ) he did not wholly fulfill the will of the lord , nor ▪ the work which he begun , but became disobedient , and abused his great deliverances and authority , and did not set free the oppressed altogether , but left mountains of oppressions , and grievous yokes of bondage unbroken down , and unsubdued ; and the lord smote him and took him away in judgement because thereof . and as for thee , who art now set up in his stead , we certainly believe that the hand of the lord is in this matter , if but to try thee , and it is he that hath brought it to passe , not expected by any , nor much sought after by thy self ; but it s come to passe , a thing out of and contrary to the thoughts and expectations of the whole nations art thou attained to this place of government ; & therefore we must acknowledge something of the great hand of god in it , being come to pass as out of due season , yet may the lord make it seasonable , and we patiently wait to receive what the lord brings to passe thereby , knowing that thou art in the hand of the lord to do whatsoever he will with thee and concerning thee ; and if thou fear him and walk with him , and chuse him for thy counsellour , and be obedient to him , and seek his glory alone , and not thy own honour and greatness , then the lord will do great things for thee , and by thee , and accomplish his own work through thee , which fell in thy father hand , and thou wilt be blessed and renowned and honoured for ever , and thy name shall be had in respect in generations to come , and hereby the present thoughts of many shall be confounded ; but if thou do harden thy heart against god , & live carelesly , and neglect his cause , and despise his name and honour , & seek thy own renown , and oppresse the just in thee , and without thee , and suffer the poor to groan under the cruelty and burthen of oppressing men and lawes in thy government , without relief from thee , and go on in usurped authority , as some evil men before thee , then shalt thou not prosper , but the lord shall bring thee down , and lay his hand of judgement upon thee , and thy name shall be a reproach to the saints for ever , and the heavy hand of vengeance shall be upon thee , and pursue thee more then any before thee , and the lord will deliver his people by another way ; and this is not in flattery and fainedness to thee , but as the lord lives , our god shall bring it to pass in his day , and thou shalt be the witness . wherefore o man , seek the face of the lord , and inquire diligently of him , and hear his word that thy soul may live , and feel a measure of his spirit in thee to lead thee into all truth , and set his presence before thy eye alwayes to direct thy steps , that he may bless thee with power , wisdom , authority and dominion , to perform the duty of thy place faithfully towards the lord and all men , as he requires of thee ; and if thou first seek the kingdom of god and its righteousness , and the reconciliation between the lord and thee , and come to feel the elect seed of god raised up over all the contrary in thee , and transgression , and thy own will and affections , and that which is of the flesh in thee judged and condemned by the word in the heart , which makes the immortal soul to live and be refreshed in god , and the heir of the promise of god born in thee , and hereby shalt thou have an assurance and hope of life eternal , to rest in perfect peace with god , when this world is no more , but passed away with thee , and also in this present time , wisdom and valour , and true nobility shall be added to thee , and the spirit of power and dominion to make men and nations be afraid and fear , and all evil men , and such as seeks the hurt of thee and thy government , shall be blasted and confounded , and all good men be encouraged and made strong , and the whole nations kept in peace and unity , and the truth and peace of god shall hereby flourish amongst us , to the honour of the eternal god , and to thy renown , if thou rule and govern for him , and by his spirit and authority . and we are truly sensible of the great charge of this place , & also of the multitude of perplexities and dangers to thy self occurring and happening thereby , dangers from open enemies by their malice and cruel plots , and dangers from thy pretended friends , and they of thy own house by secret surmisings , dangers in martial and civil affairs in this nation and abroad , so that we certainly , believe nothing save onely the wisdom of god and his power can preserve thee & carry thee to go through , & faithfully fulfil so great a place , and to discharge it truly in the sight of god and just men , neither maist thou be defended and preserved by any other means , from the wills and plots and envy of evil men , who may watch for evil against thee , to destroy thee and blot out thy name , and thy fathers posterity out of the land ; wherefore take heed to thy self , and fear god , that he may bless thee , for this is a subtil and crafty generation , and the nations are politick , and the inhabitants thereof wise and deceitful over whom thou art set , and with whom thou hast to deal ; therefore beware of men , for many may seek after thy hurt , and some may flatter thee , and shew seeming great respect unto thee , and profess great service of love to thee in the nations and in thy family for a season , till their own ends of advantage be accomplished , and may in the very time hatch evil against thee , and secretly invent to uncover thy nakedness and betray thee , for many men are treacherous ; but thou receiving a measure of the wisdom of god , it will guide thee over all such , and thou wilt see into the hearts and spirits of men , and to discern between love unfained , which will seek thy good & not self , & that love which is fained , which will flatter thee and blind thy judgement , and lead thee into snares , and such as will the least flatter thee , will be the most true to thee ; so beware , and let not vain flatterers , and proud ambitious and ungodly , self-seeking men , nor drunkards , nor covetous , nor politick and deceitful men and spirits have any place in thy heart , nor in thy house , nor in places of authority and trust in thy government , for such men will be a snare unto thee , and a dishonour to thee , and the cause of gods wrath & curse against thy person , family and whole nations , for such men god will not bless , nor thee nor the government for their sakes , & this thou wilt find true one day ; therefore chuse unto thee such men as fears god , who are just and humble , and upright-hearted , who are sincere and faithful to the lord , who hath the wisdom of god , and true nobility of spirit , in righteousness and simplicity , free from the prophanness of this evil world , let such be thy companions to wait upon thy person , and to govern and rule in thy family and nations , and let such be put in trust , who will not be treacherous , for such are blessed , and will be a blessing to thee and the whole government , and we know that the lord gives respect and regard to the upright that fears his name , and such he will accomplish his work by , to thy renown , and the peace and happiness of the nations , more then to craft and policy , and the wisdom and subtilty of this world , for thereby the lord will never fulfil his work , nor prosper a ruler nor his people ; and if thy strength and defence be there , and not in the lord and his pure wisdom only , thou canst not prosper , but the nations & men will over-reach thee , & beguile thee , and thou cannot be happy , nor thy government be kept in peace , but a little measure of the fear & power and wisdom of the lord god from heaven in thy heart , & amongst such as are thy counsellors , to guide you & govern you , will be of more value and worth unto thee in thy place and condition , then all worldly policy and wisdom and craft , which with god is not regarded , nor of him ever blessed ; and if thou deny the lord and righteous men , and chuse thy own way and this worlds wisdom that 's from below , then thy trust and strength shall pierce thee and make thee feeble , and of all others thy state will be the most miserable , if thou be given into the policy and deceipts of treacherous men ; so be wise and seek the lord , that he may be thy trust , and put not confidence in vain man , whose heart is deceitful , and desperately wicked . and as concerning the condition of these nations , they are in a broken state , much devided and divers in judgements , and far out of good order , for there is much corruption and abuse in all orders and places of men , and much to be purged out and judged , both in magistracy and ministry , before righteousness , peace and truth , union , joy and faithfulness , can embrace one another amongst the inhabitants of the nations , for both are in a diversion & degeneration from what they were at the first ordained of god , and this i could clearly manifest unto thee , for the nations are but newly come out of popery , having put off but part of the dress of that polluted whore , and the garments of professions in religion , yet smell thereof , as not being throughly purged from her abominable idolatries and superstitions , as thou maist see when the lord opens thy eye , to view the present state of all things . as for magistracy , it was ordained of god to be a dread and terrour , & limit to all evil-doers , & to be a defence & praise to all that do well , to condemn the guilty , & to justifie the guiltless ; but the exercise thereof at this day inthese nations is degenerated , and some that are in authority are greatly corrupted , and regards not the just and pure law of god to judge onely thereby , but oppresseth the poor by injustice , and subverts the good laws of god and men to a wrong end and use , abusing authority , and turning the sword against the just , whereby true judgement is turned backward , & the innocent made unjustly to suffer for righteousness sake , through the corruption of men in authority , and didst thou but know what we know in this particular , it would pierce thy heart ; why ? it is frequent amongst some of the judges & magistrates to commit a just man to prison , & impose some great fine up on him , and to cast him into a dungeon or hole among thieves and murtherers for a long season , for no other offence or breach of any law , but because he cannot put off his hat to them , and respect their persons by bowing the hat or knee ; and many others that fears god , and for conscience sake cannot swear upon a book by kissing it & laying hand upon it , because christ saith , swear not at all , though they deny not to do and speak the truth in all things , as in the presence of god and all men ; and many others , that because they are moved to cry against sin , and declare against the iniquities of the times in teachers , rulers and people , that highly abounds , perhaps in a market , or steeple-house , or high-way , or other place , as they are moved of god ; and many others because for conscience sake they cannot pay tythes nor give mony and wages to a maintain a priest , or false teacher that they receive no profit by , or to maintain a steeplehouse , where the world worships in vain traditions , and not in the spirit and power of god ; and many have been taken out of peaceable meetings where they were waiting upon the lord , and some out of their innes , and friends houses , and many have been taken on the way , travelling about their lawful occasions , and some from their callings , and labours , and for these causes , through the envy of wicked men , and without any just conviction of the breach of any law , or any lawful tryal , or examination , have hundreds of just men being wholly innocent , been sent to prison and layed many moneths , and some for years , or whipt , and put in the stockes , and grievously abused by cruel executioners of wicked mens envy and injustice , and upon such grounds onely , and for such causes mentioned , and without the transgression of any just law have and do at this day many hundreds of faithful subjects suffer hard and cruel things , long and sore imprisonment , and cruel and sharp whipping , and stocking , and unjust banishment out of towns and cities , yea , friends its hard to be expressed and large to be declared how many of the lords servants , do and have suffered great injustice in these nations , through the abuse of good government , and degeneration of magistracy from its perfect state and place whereunto it was ordained of god in the beginning ; and moreover , great have been the abuses , by stricking , and beating and halling , and kickings , and revilings , and reproaching , whereby many have suffered unrighteously , and not relieved nor defended by such in authority as ought to have done it , neither the evil doers at all corrected and punished as ought to have been , though known to men in power , and thus it is happened to us in our age , well doers are punished as transgressors , and evil doers go free , and thus its manifest , magistracy and government , rulers and lawes are greatly degenerated and subverted from what they ought to be according as the lord ordained them ; for all this may be proved particularly , so that the nations are out of good order , and the state of government and rule degenerated , and men in authority and places of trust corrupted , not being in their own hearts ruled by the spirit of the lord , and therefore they cannot rule for him among men , justly , and righteously , as the lord requires ; and also so great hath been the degeneration in government in these nations of late years , that many faithful and just men that have been in great places of trust , both in martial and civil affairs , through the envy , and evil surmising of others , have been turned out of all place and power , and not suffered to give their judgement amongst men , but been cast off as unprofitable , though no evil could be charged against them , whereby the lord hath been offended ; but all things and places of men must be new moulded and corrected , and purged , and regenerated , that true judgement may flourish , and righteousness and truth prosper , as in the beginning , and this will the lord suddenly bring to pass by his own power ; and if thou oppose it , thou shalt not prosper , but be cut off , and taken out of the way ; for the spirit of the lord hath been provoked to wrath because of these things , and his anger is kindled against the nations , and he hath overthrown and will once more overthrow till he come whose right it is to rule , whose shall be the government and kingdoms , and all his enemies shall be slain . and as for the publick ministry as now it is in its present estate , we certainly know and testifie from the lord unto thee , and to the whole nations , that it is not the same ministry of christ which the apostles had , nor by the same power and spirit , but is wholly degenerated , in call , in practice , and in maintenance , and in all things from what the ministry of christ was in the dayes of the true churches , before the apostacy ; and it is as now it stands in degeneration , not of god , nor in the power and spirit of christ jesus , nor hath it the same end and effects as the ministry of christ once had , but it s tasted , and tainted with the spirit of antichrist , which long hath ruled in the world , and it s become a grievous oppression in the nations , and people are not converted nor turned to god from their evil wayes , but remains unprofited ; and to say no more of it , though much i might say , what i affirm of it i may prove by the scriptures against the wisest of them before thee if thou please , viz. that as now the ministry stands , it is not perfectly the same ministry the apostles had , but is degenerated from what the ministry of christ was in the dayes of the apostles , and true churches , before the apostacy , and if ever god touch thy heart thou wilt see it so , when the spirit of christ is chief judge in thee , thou wilt witness this to be true ; and then may not thy power uphold any thing which is contrary to god , when government is purged and made pure from all its present degeneration . again , there are many and divers sorts of sects , and gatherings of people , and professions in religion of several contrary judgements and opinions , and worships in these nations , and these people over whom thou art set to rule are divers , and devided in their wayes and minds , and professions of religion , some looking for , and seeking after christ , in such a manner , and others after another manner , all crying loe here is christ , and thus he will come , and loe he is there , and so will he appear , and some are inventing , and supposing such a government the best , and others contrary to that , and many are ( as ) distracted in their thoughts , not knowing what to seek , or what to look after ; some are for such a government , and religion , and others for another , and peradventure each one of all these may seek to thee for protection against such as opposeth them , commending and justifying their own way , and sect , and form , and religion , against all others , and craving lawes to maintain themselves , and their sect , and to stop and limit all other wayes as heresie , because differing from them , and they will each of them turn and wrest the scriptures , from the mind of the spirit that gave them forth , to prove their own opinions and professions to be right against all others , but now thou maist know that the scriptures were given forth by the one spirit of god , and is the testimony of one truth , of one favour , of one true worship , and one onely true religion , and not many , and divers wayes , and them that are of divers judgements and worships , and religions , and yet all pleads proof from the scriptures for what they professe and practice ; all such perverts the scriptures , and wrests them , who are thus divided and unsetled in religion , and they shew that none of them hath the spirit that gave forth the scriptures , which spirit leads into all truth , and in it is the true worship of god , and the true profession and practice of true religion , and that spirit onely understands its own words in scripture , but all these divers sects and heaps of people that are divided in worship , and about religion , hath not the spirit of god that gave forth scriptures to lead them into all truth ▪ and guide them in the perfect way and pure religion which the apostles and churches of christ were in in their dayes ; but all these many sects that are thus devided are risen up since the dayes of the apostles , and are of another spirit , and of a false religion ; and as for such called ministers , they will be hurrying about thee , and flattering thee with fair and crafty words , and smooth petitions , and requests for protection and establishment from thee , and for large maintenance , and stipends and tythes ; and possibly they may complain to thee against such as cannot give them hire , and tythes , but may reprove their evil and covetousness , and wickedness , begging for lawes against such , and crying out against error and herefie , because some may be moved to cry against their deceits and oppressions , and for the like causes they will run about thee , and seck their own advantage , and this we know their nature and spirit is such ; and hath been for many ages . but now friend , do thou stand in gods authority , out of , and over all such teachers and sects , and come not under any of them that have the form of godliness but want the power , who are in the apostacy , from the life and pure religion that the apostles were in , nor believe them not that shall say , loe christ is here , or loe he is there ; or who shall ascend to fetch him from without , or when shall he come from far to save his people ? go not thou after any of all these , but hearken to the word of god in thy heart , and know that christ is within thee , else thou art reprobate , neither do thou take in hand to exalt any one of these sects , or some of them above others , neither defend and maintain any of them against others of them , nor tollerate not one of them above another , for if thou do , it will betray thee and the nations peace , and set all spirits on fire about thee , and while one is pleased and may pray for thee , others will be vexed against thee and curse thee ; wherefore be not troubled about these things , nor cumber not thy self about religion how to establish it for it is in gods hand onely to establish his worship and religion , it belongs to him , as he will , and not as man by his policy and wisdom ; but stand free from them all , and neither establish any , nor persecute any sect whatsoever , but let them all have their course and season , they will fall and perish of themselves , and the good old way , and truth , and the pure religion only will remain , and let them cry one against another , ; and rebuke one another , and meddle not thou with that , but onely let thy lawes and authority preserve mens persons and estates , from the wrong one of another , that all men may live peaceably under thee , and no man wrong his neighbours person or estate ; and that 's only thy place to rule in outward affairs , but not to rule over any mans conscience , to compell him to such a worship , or to limit from such a worship in religion , that belongs not to thee , but to the lord , who alone will be the ruler and guide and exerciser of his peoples consciences , and if thou do medle therein , thou shalt not prosper , nor be blessed in thy deed ; so leave the establishing of religion to the lord , and let all these sects manifest if any of them have the spirit & power of god in them , & with them , & let them shew their weapons of the spirit , for onely such as hath the power and spirit of god in them will overcome , and such will be increased and grow , and thou nor none can hinder , and such that wants the power and spirit of god , in and with them , may flourish in their form for a while , but they will be blasted and wither , and it is vain for thee or any to uphold such , or endeavour to establish them , but if thou meddle on these accounts , it will undo thee , and confound thee ; therefore be wise , and know what the lord requires of thee perfectly , for if thou leave that undone which god requires , then shalt thou be condemned , and if thou do that which he requires not , then shalt thou not be free ; and this is written in love to thee , to inform thy mind , how to walk towards the lord , and the people over whom he hath set thee ; and as for the maintaining of ministers , let that aloue also , and be not troubled about it , for it was ever the false prophets and deceivers that preached for hire , and went after gifts and rewards , and sought money and gifts of people , and they that do the same now were never sent of god , nor are they such as shall convert people to god ; for who are true ministers of christ , will not seek to thee nor to men for wages , and tithes , and money , but live of the gospel , and not compel great sums of money from people to maintain them in their families in pride , in fulness and idleness , such things are great oppressions in this nation , and a horrible filthy thing in the sight of god , and because thereof will the lords judgements come upon the land ; if thou were but rightly sensible what casting into goals , and what suing at law of poor people , and what spoiling peoples goods by destraint , and all for and about tithes and priests wages , it would make thee admire the wickedness of that generation ; but do thou let them alone , for they do shame themselves , and undo themselves , and loose the hearts of all good people by their own doings , and stand over them all in gods authority , and know a measure of the spirit of god in thy own heart , and thereby thou wilt discern and try and judge of the spirits of all men , and their religion , and the spirit will lead thee in the pure religion , to worship god in spirit and in truth , so let not thy mind be cumbered at all about establishing religion , nor about maintaining the ministers , but be faithful to what the lord requires of thee , and learn his will , and do it , and then thou wilt be blessed and honoured in this world , & in the world to come . and friend , know thou that the lord is doing of a great work in these nations , he is raising up a seed to serve him and to worship him aright , and the god of heaven is setting up a kingdom over the kingdoms of the world , and he hath a controversy with all sorts of people , in as much as corruption and degeneration is entered amongst all , and all must be purged of all orders of men , and the evil cast out , the work of the lord is great and mighty , and he requires no help from thee , nor any man whatsoever , for his own arm will bring it to pass , yet he would not have thee to gain-say his work , and strive against it , and seek to quench what the lord is bringing forth , if thou do it , then shalt thou be condemned , and the lord will speedily execute his judgements , and remove thee , and overthrow thy power and authority into destruction ; wherefore be passive in this matter , and look thou at the lord , and protect and desend mens persons and estates from wrong , but meddle not with their opinions and professions in religions , to exalt any of them , nor yet to persecute them ; and as concerning the armies abroad , let faithful and just men that will not seek themselves be put in trust , for the army is of great concernment to thee , to stand or fall through them as to mans account , and the war against spain be faithful to god in it , and let trusty men have authority , the lord may accomplish something by it to his honour and to thine , if thou be meek and humble , and walk with the lord ; and to say no more about it , there is something in it known to the lord , and he may bring it to pass in his season . and thus friend , according as it lay upon me from the lord , i have written this unto thee in dear and pure love , god is witness , and i have cleared my conscience to thee thus far , and if thou fall by thy own transgression , it will lie upon thy self , i have warned thee , and i am clear ; and if thy fall comes , remember thou wast advised . who am a lover of iustice and true iudgement , and a friend of this common-wealth , and to thee wisheth well in the lord , edw. burrough . london , the 18th of of the 8th month , 1658. this was delivered to him the 8th month , 1658. notes, typically marginal, from the original text notes for div a30526e-200 * this was meant that he should deny to be made king that was in agitation when this letter was written . a just and righteous plea presented unto the king of england, and his council, &c. being the true state of the present case of the people, called quakers, truly demonstrated, and justly pleaded, on their behalf : and this is laid down in six particulars ... / by ... edw. burroughs. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 1661 approx. 100 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 21 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. text creation partnership, ann arbor, mi ; oxford (uk) : 2004-08 (eebo-tcp phase 1). a30531 wing b6011 estc r14916 12035063 ocm 12035063 52871 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30531) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 52871) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 861:17) a just and righteous plea presented unto the king of england, and his council, &c. being the true state of the present case of the people, called quakers, truly demonstrated, and justly pleaded, on their behalf : and this is laid down in six particulars ... / by ... edw. burroughs. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 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ascii text with mnemonic sdata character entities); displayable xml (tcp schema; characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or text strings within braces); or lossless xml (tei p5, characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or tei g elements). keying and markup guidelines are available at the text creation partnership web site . eng society of friends -great britain. church and state -great britain. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 aptara keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-04 jonathan blaney sampled and proofread 2004-04 jonathan blaney text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-07 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a just and righteous plea , presented unto the king of england , and his council , &c. being the true state of the present case of the people , called qvakers , truly demonstrated , and justly pleaded on their behalf ; for the true information of the king and his council , that they may well understand the truth and verity of doubtful cases , and may shew just judgment and mercy . and this is laid down in six particulars . viz 1. concerning swearing at all , and particularly of the oath of allegiance . 2. concerning meeting together to worship god. 3. concerning tythes among the jewes , and among the christians , and why we refuse to pay them at this day . 4. concerning giving security by bond , to live peaceably , or , to answer accusations then and there , &c. 5. concerning government it self , and particularly of this present government . 6. concerning persecution , what it is in it self , and how great an enemy it is to the king and his government ; laid down in ten particulars . all which cases are truly stated and pleaded , and the cause of the innocent vindicated : and this for the benefit of the king and his government , that they may be just and righteous , and perfectly according to god. by a friend to just authority , edw. borroughs . the epistle to the king , and his council . oh friends ! this is your day , that god hath given you to try you , and to prove you what you will do , and whether you will rule and judge , and exercise your power for god , or against him ; and this is the hour of your tryal , and the living god that made heaven and earth beholds you , and his eye is upon you , and he waits for iustice , true iudgment , mercy , righteousness and truth , to be brought forth by you in the land , that he might blesse you and prosper you ; but and if the contrary be abounding , and brought forth and exercised thorow you , blessings shall be turned into a curse , and the iust god will deal with you after your deserts ; for the reward of the almighty is iust and equal unto all the sons of men , even according to their wayes and works ; and the iudgment of you nor of any , is determined by him , but accordingly as he is served , obeyed and feared , or the contrary . and seeing you have a day to do good , and to forsake all evil , to do iustice , mercy and truth in the earth , and to subdue the contrary ; if that you do the things you ought not , and leave undone what god requires of you to do , and trifle away your time in matters of lesse value , and spend your dayes in pleasures & vanities , and neglect mercy and iudgment in the earth , and have no regard to the cry of the poor and the oppressed , to deliver them from their cruel persecutions ; if it be thus with you in this your day , who shall stand in the gap to prevent the anger of the lord from breaking out ? or , who shall plead for you in the day of your reward , when god himself ariseth unto iust iudgment , to judge all flesh , and to deliver the innocent ? oh friends ! is this nothing to you ? is there no cause unto you of consideration in this matter ? ought you not to lay these things to heart ? why , surely you are but men , and your breath is in your nostrils , and your substance but dissolvable clay , and the god of heaven and earth can do what he will with you , and concerning you ; if ye please him , it might be well with you , but if the contrary , he can answer you doings with an equal reward , and none can prevent him . and here is a cry , and a very great cry of persecution under your authority , the prisons filled with vpright and innocent persons , to the ruine of persons , wives and families , if the great mercy of the lord did not prevent more than the iustice of men ; thousands within these few months have been cast into goals and dungeons and nasty holes ; and divers have finished their lives , and dyed in prisons ; many being taken out of their houses , and from their lawful callings ; and many taken out of meetings , where they have been waiting upon god , and cruel sufferings inflicted upon them , and all this for truth and righteousness sake , and for their profession and practice in religion ; when as no plotting or evil-dealing towards the king nor any of his subjects , could be justly charged and proved against them . and thus the innocent have been made a prey to prophane persons , and their sufferings have been woful , and all this under and by your authority ; and , are these things nothing to you ? or , do you judge this is well doing ? is this iustice and true iudgment ? is this for your happiness and prosperity ? let the god of heaven and earth judge in this matter between this people and you , for the cry of their sufferings are very loud in the ears of god , and they have been laid before you , and you ought to have relieved them , and eased their heavy burdens , and shewed iustice , pity and love , and this would have made for your happiness ; but if that you alwayes neglect to hear the cry of the poor , and of the oppressed , yet god hears , and takes notice ; and though this people should have no helper in the earth , yet he is their helper , and their cause is committed unto him. can these things stand ? and , can you be happy in these proceedings , while the innocent suffer under you ? is it in your hearts to destroy the heritage of god ? do you think to extinguish an innocent people from off the earth ? must none wait upon god , and worship him , and pray to him , but after your prescriptions and limitations ? and will you kill and destroy all such as do not ? who cannot for good conscience sake conform to every way of worship and religion imposed , but must wait upon god , and worship him and pray to him according as his spirit teacheth and guideth ; will you , i say , destroy all such ? is it in your hearts to effect it ? if it be , the god of heaven will not prosper you in such purposes ; will ye force men to forsake the way of their god , wherein they have found his presence ? will ye persecute men for their religion-sake , while yet they walk uprightly in their conversations among men ? oh friends ! it is not iustice and true iudgment thus to do , it pleaseth not god , neither doth it unite the hearts of subjects in true love and unity , but it hath contrary effects , and that you may find . indeed , according to my judgment , such proceedings are not good policy nor humane wisdom , for you to seek to establish one particular perswasion and kind of religion , and impose that by force , and persecute and seek to destroy all the rest that are otherwise minded , if they will not deny their principles and consciences , and conform : this seems , i say , no good policy among men ; for if it doth gratifie one sort of men in their desires , it discontenteth and dissatisfieth many more , and it breaketh love and unity amongst subjects ; and your safety is in the uniting of peoples hearts to you , and one to another in love and liberty , and not in the divisions and distractions of people ; surely this canot be for your safety . when as if you did give liberty to all , that were peaceable in their lives and conversations , in the exercise of their religion in faith and worship to god-wards ; this would cause all to love you , and none to be discontented with you in good reason : if one sort of people had as much liberty as others ( in the way of their religion i mean ) and none more than others , this doubtless would encrease content among subjects , and be a blessing to you and your authority ; and to proceed in that way which may keep the people in love and unity one with another , and to you-wards , this were good policy for your establishment to perpetuity ; and there seems to be no other way , than in shewing iustice , mercy , and liberty to all in all right wayes , and in the exercise of their consciences towards god. and this is my iudgment , the way for you to prosper , is , to leave the prescribing the way of worship unto god , as his spirit shall teach and perswade the conscience , and to leave the iudgment in all cases of conscience about spiritual things , unto him , and not to meddle about imposing religion , nor persecuting men for that cause , for it is not your place to do it ; but you are to rule well over the outward man , and to judge in the cases of wrong between man and man , but not at all in the cases between god and mens consciences . but you may say , who art thou , inferiour man , that seemest to advise us that are high and potent , and wise enough for our selves ? well , though it be thus , though i am so , and not much acquainted with the state-affairs , nor do i profess policy in the governments of this world , yet this i say , what soever my birth or quality be , and whether i live or dye , yet these things you must find true one day ; ( for i speak not as a politician , but as a servant of god ) that your prosperity and happiness in this world , and hereafter , standeth , in shewing and executing true iustice and iudgment , and mercy and equal liberty towards all , without respect of their title in the profession and practice of religion , and in allowing liberty of conscience in the exercise of faith and worship and duty to god-wards , to all christian people , equally in your dominions , and not to persecute or destroy any in their persons and estates , for the exercise of their religion to god-wards : this is the way of your prosperity , and the contrary is the way of your destruction , if that ye persecute men for their conscience sake , and exercise lordship and authority over mens conscience in spiritual things ; and if ye prescribe a way of worship , and seek to destroy all that cannot conform thereunto : if ye do thus , this is not good policy to establish you . well , i shall say little further , but that these things i write not as your enemy , but as your friend , who would have you saved both soul and body , and not as in any kind of harshness in my spirit towards you do i write , but in love and compassionateness to you and these kingdoms . and i have here in brief stated and pleaded the case of the innocent people , called quakers , who are at this time under great afflictions and tribulations by your authority ; and it hath been in my heart divers times to declare the substance of these things unto you , but at the last i have chosen to write my mind to present to you concerning the matters very needful for you to be informed in , and it is for your sakes as well as theirs , that i have done it , that you may not run on to act any thing against them upon suspitions and accusations of others , without hearing our defence ; and therefore it is for the avoiding and stopping of persecution in the land , for this cause have i taken in hand submissively , and not presumptuously , to state this plea before you , and i must leave it to your considerations ; and cannot impose my faith upon you , to believe as i believe , but having laid the truth before you , i shall leave it to the lord to work faith and love , and iustice , mercy , and all good things in your hearts , that you may bring them forth in the exercise of them in the world. i am a lover of justice and mercy , truth and right●●usness . ● . b. london , the10 th day of the second moneth , 1661. chap. i. the case stated and pleaded concerning swearing at all , and particularly concerning the oath of allegiance . i. vve do acknowledge our selves to be free-born people of this kingdom of england , the land of our nativity , and we do assert , that we have just and lawful right and title , as such , to possess and enjoy our lives , liberties and estates , both by the laws of god and man ; having never unto this day , since we were a people , forfeited our birth-right as men , by any rebellion , sedition , contempt , or otherwise ; but have always been and are a people exercised in the law of our god , by walking justly towards all men , and doing to others as we would be done unto , & have been and are a peaceable people under every government and authority that hath been over us since the lord raised us up ; and i do hereby declare , that we now are , and shall be faithful , innocent , and peaceable , in our several stations and conditions , under this present government of king charles the second , whom we acknowledge supream magistrate and governour over this kingdom , and for conscience sake we are obedient and submissive to him , as such , in all his commands , either by doing and performing of what he justly requireth , or by patient suffering under , whatsoever is inflicted upon us in the matters for which we cannot be obedient for conscience sake , when any thing is required of us different from the just law of god : and to this subjection , to the king and his government , we are bound by the law of righteousness , and such hath ever been our principle and practice , and is unto this day , even to be quiet , and peaceable , and patient under every authority that is set over us , and not in unrighteousness , to plot , or contrive , or rebel against any governours or government , nor to seek our own deliverance from injustice and oppression , in such a way . and we are perswaded to seek the preservation of the king's person and authority , by all just and lawful means , and not to rebel against him with carnal weapons ; and so far as his government is in iustice , mercy , and righteousness , we declare true and faithful subjection , and obedience thereunto , and wherein it is otherwise , we shall be subject by patient suffering , what is unequally imposed upon us , and yet not rebel in any turbulent way of conspiracies , and insurrections ; for our principles are not for war , but for peace with all men , so much as in us lyes ; neither may we render evil for evil to any , but are to be subject to the king and his government actively or passively , upon the conditions aforementioned . and we renounce all forreign authority , power , and iurisdiction , of the pope or any else , from having any supremacy whatsoever over the king , or any the good subjects of england : and this we declare , acknowledge , and testifie , in the fear and presence of god ( to whom we and all mankind must give an account ) and that without secret equivocation , or any deceitful mental reservation . ii but as for all oaths and swearing , we utterly deny , for conscience sake towards god , because christ jesus hath commanded us not to swear at all , mat. 5. and the apostle saith , above all things , my brethren , swear not , jam. 5. and it was the principle and practice of divers holy martyrs , even some of the protestant church , since the apostles days , in all ages , not to swear at all in any case : so for conscience sake , and according to the example of saints in former ages , we do refuse to swear , in this case of allegiance to the king , and in all other cases whatsoever , and we cannot swear at all ; though the truth and verity , of all things in all cases , so far as known to us , and as occasion requireth , we can acknowledge and testifie , with yea and nay , as in the fear and presence of god , and with true intent and meaning , to discover the truth , as is needful to be known ; and in this manner we acknowledge just allegiance to the king , and his government ; ( that we shall live peaceably , and not plot , nor rebel against him ) according to the law of god and a safe conscience ; but without any oath or swearing at all , for we may not break the command of christ , nor walk contrary to the example of the apostles and saints by swearing , though we suffer the loss of all because thereof ; and it is our known principle and practice , ever since we were a people , that in no case whatsoever , though of great dependancy oft-times to our selves , both in respect of advantage to us , and also in avoiding of sufferings , we have not taken any oath , nor sworn at all ; whereby it is manifest that our refusing chiefly to take the oath of allegiance , is not because it is that oath , but because it is an oath , and for conscience sake we cannot swear at all . iii. and thus the state of our present case about this oath of allegiance , is different from some others , from all such who can swear and take oathes in other cases , to whom taking of an oath in it self is not matter of conscience ; but as for us , we make conscience of an oath in it self , and that upon just ground , as we are able to demonstrate , and therefore our refusal of this oath of allegiance , gives no ground at all , of doubt or suspition , concerning us , as if we would not live peaceably and quietly under this government , or as if we would rebel against , or plot to destroy the king's person or authority , and so denie to take this oath , as if we would leave our selves clear to proceed in such wayes ; this judgement cannot justly be given of us , because we deny to swear at all , in all cases , which if it were not so , but that we could swear in other cases , and not in this , then we might be the more justly suspected that we had a reserve against the king's person and government , and our living peaceable , might be the more doubted of ; but being our known principle and practice always , not to swear at all in any case whatsoever , this removes all ground of iealousie , or cause of suspition of us in this case , and also we being ready to confess , all just authority and power to the king , to declare obedience thereunto solemnly and sincerely , and that we shall live peaceable and quietly under his government , and not to plot or rebel against him , and this to confirm by yea and nay : our testimony of this kind , may as justly be taken , and stand as effectual , and be as faithfully performed , as the oathes of any others ; for we make conscience to perform what we say in yea and nay , as much as any do to perform what they swear , and this is known of us in the consciences of our enemies ; so that in good conscience and just reason , and equal justice , we are excusable from all penalties and forfeitures in that behalf , of denying the oath of allegiance . iv. and the king and his government is not the less safe and secure , though we refuse to swear obedience to them , nor could they be any safer or securer , if we , contrary to our principles and consciences were forced by penalties to swear allegiance ; for by the same principle which keeps us from swearing , and by which we deny it , we must be preserved to live peaceably , and not to plot nor rebel against the king ; and if we renounce our principle and our good conscience , and be induced to swear against our consciences ; what likelyhood is there to perform such a forced oath , taken contrary to our consciences and principles ? for if we swear to the king and his government , because of the fear of men and to save our estates , &c. and this contrary to our conscience , it might well be suspected of us , that at opportunity we would break such oathes , for fear of men or some self end : on the other hand , if we had already renounced our good consciences , so that it more appears , we shall perform good obedience to the king and his government acknowledged by yea , without an oath , and in good conscience ; then by swearing forced on us , contrary to our consciences ; therefore our yea may better be accepted in this case , then swearing can be demanded of us : and also if we should change with the times , and renounce our principles and consciences , and swear , we should make our selves ridiculous and a scorn to all men , and bring our selves into a capacity not ever to be trusted in any case , if we should bow and bend to times and powers , and for terrour of men , deny our religion , as other hypocrites , and i very well believe that the king would not trust us in our albegiance any whit the better , but rather the worse , though we did swear , fawn and flatter with him , contrary to our principles ; neither could he reasonably judge himself the safer , not more happy , not that we would be truly subject the more to his authority , if we swote and conformed in things by force , contrary to our consciences and principles ; for himself knows , that oaths and engagements made and taken by force , and for fear , in straits , are seldom or never truly performed , but alwayes broken . and of the like case there are large testimonies in the kingdom , of many that have sworn , promised , and engaged , and sometimes by force and fear , to this kind of government and another ; and yet at opportunies , and for their own self-ends , have broken all oaths and engagements , and rebelled against the very persons and authority to which they have sworn and engaged fidelity and allegiance ; so that many are not the more to be trusted , though they swear allegiance : for , the proverb saith , he that will swear , will lye : and he that is forced to swear against his conscience , will hardly perform his oath : and we are no less to be trusted , though we swear not , for we never yet engaged our selves by oath , to any governours or government , and yet we never rebelled or plotted against any , but have lived peaceably , and in a patient suffering condition under all , that have sitten on the throne since we were a people : and therefore out living peaceably under the king's government cannot justly be doubted of , though we cannot engage the same by swearing : but yet if we do not live quietly and in good obedience , as peaceable people , but do rebel , plot , &c. then we refuse not to suffer the pains , penalties and forfeitures , as such that swear and do not perform their oaths ; i say , if we do not live peaceably , but plot and rebel against the king and his government , then let us suffer the same in every particular , as if we had sworn ; and not performed our oath . v. all these things rightly considered , it doth fully appear , 1. that we are not enemies , neither in present action , nor future intent , to the king's person or authority . 2. nor that we refuse to acknowledge iust authority to king charles the second , as supream magistrate over these kingdoms . 3. nor doth it appear , that we are otherwise than peaceable and quiet people under the king's government . 4. nor is it manifest , but that we are ready to acknowledge so to continue , in all good conscience and righteousness : and therefore we do appeal to the god of heaven , and to king charles , and to all people whatsoever , that our present sufferings by imprisonment , and whatsoever else we may suffer in this case , for refusing to take the oath of alleagiance , it is not for plotting against the king , nor for refusing to acknowledge iust authority to the king , nor for denying iust obedience to him and the good laws of the land , nor for denying to live peaceably in the kingdom under the king's authority ; because to all this we acknowledge solemnly in yea and nay : neither are our sufferings in this case , for any evil-doing towards god nor men ; but our sufferings are for keeping the commands of christ , which to us is matter of conscience to perform , more than to save our own lives or estates ; and our sufferings are , because we cannot swear at all , and not because we are rebellious , or that we deny iust allegiance to the king : and such our sufferings are not as evil-doers , nor justly and righteously as offenders ; because we are not guilty of evil in this case , towards god nor man , and our sufferings are cruel persecution for our tender conscience sake , and for the name of christ iesus : and we call god and just men to witnesse between us and our prosecutors , that as saints and servants of god we suffer in this case , and for our faithfulnesse and obedience to the king of heaven , and not for evil-doing or disobedience to king charles and his authority : and if any be persecuted in this case , for refusing to take the oath of allegiance , to the ruine of persons , wives and families in this world ; then we shall have cause to say , occasion is wrongfully taken against us , to destroy us , and we are proceeded against , contrary to the end of iust government , which is , to preserve the peaceable , and not to destroy them ; and contrary to the king 's former promises , who hath said , vve should not suffer for matters of our religion and conscience , living peaceably in the land ; and if we suffer , because we cannot swear at all , such our suffering is for our conscience sake , and we are therein persecuted unrighteously , as innocent people , and without just cause ; and we must commit this our cause to god , who regardeth the oppressions of his people , and will avenge their cause in his season . and for the present this is all i have to say , and present , concerning this case of swearing , and concerning the oath of allegiance . chap. ii. the case stated and pleaded , concerning our meeting together to worship god. i. vve do meet together in the name of iesus christ , and in his power and spirit ; and we do come together in the fear of god , to wait upon him , and to receive the teachings of his holy spirit , and his counsel to direct us in all our wayes , how to walk righteously towards god and men ; and in our meetings we practise our hearts and minds in godliness , and speak of the things of the kingdom of god , in preaching the word of god , and in prayer to him , according as his holy spirit guideth us , which is given us of god , to lead us into all truth , according to his promise , ioh. 16. 13. and that we may edifie one another in the wayes of holiness and truth , for the benefit of our souls : and this is according to the scriptures : for they that feared the lord met often together , and spake one to another , and edified one another : and this is our principle , that it is our duty to godwards , to meet together , and that he requires it of us , and for the exercise of our consciences to him , it hath been alwayes and is our practice , to meet together in the exercise of the worship of god , as aforesaid , and not for any other end ; as in contempt of authority , or to plot , or contrive , or to meditate evil towards the king or his government , or any of his subjects ; we have no such e●●l ( i say ) in meeting together ; but our alone , only , and absolute end in our meeting , is to worship the lord our god , and to serve him , and to wait upon him , in obedience to his will , and for good conscience sake , as our duty towards him. ii. and this our practice of meeting together , for the end and cause mentioned , if it be in publick houses , or more private in upper chambers , or in the open fields on what day soever , is lawful and just in the sight of god , and is according to the example of the primitive saints , and provable by the scriptures , as in acts 1. 13 , 14. and when the disciples and saints returned from jerusalem , they went up into an upper chamber , both men and vvomen , and waited upon the lord , and continued with one accord , in prayer and in supplication . and in acts 20. 7 , 8. the first day of the week the saints met together , and paul preached unto them , and continued his sermon till midnight ; holding forth the matters of the kingdom of god ; and they were met an an vpper . chamber , from whence eutychus fell down . and acts 28. 30 , 31. and paul remained two fall years , preaching the gospel of the kingdom of god , in his own hired house in rome ; and he exhorted the saints , not to neglect meeting together , as the manner of some was , whom he reproved , heb. 10. 25. by which testimonies , with divers others that might be given , it is manifest , that the saints of god in former ages , did meet together to worship god , and to wait upon him in prayer & preaching , as the spirit of the father taught them , that dwelt in them : and sometime they met publickly , and sometime more private ; and sometime on the day-time , and sometime in the night-season , ( and they met separate from the synagogues and wayes of publick worship of the iews ) according to the will of god , and as it was ordered among them : and thus it is manifest , that our meetings for the worship of god at this day ( though they are separate from the way of publick worship of the kingdom , and are in more private houses ) are justifiable , being after the example of the saints , and according to the scriptures of truth ; and therefore out meetings are according to the law of god , just and lawful . iii. and forasmuch as by reason of the late insurrection of some few persons in london , our lawful assembling of our selves together in the worship of god , is under present restraint and prohibition , and by proclamation forbidden , under the denomination of seditious and unlawful meetings , and our friends imprisoned and persecuted for that cause of assembling themselves to wait upon god. now in this case , this i plead unto the king , that we are no manner of way guilty of that insurrection , upon which the proclamatian of forbidding our meetings was grounded ; and therefore ought not to suffer with the guilty , being innocent from the very occasion of that proclamation ; and for the king to prohibit our meetings , for and because of the ill use that others made of theirs , this seems a condemning of the innocent with the guilty , which is no way just in the sight of god nor men , but altogether unequal that we should suffer for other ments faults ; though such did abuse their liberty , and pervert the end of their meetings into rising up with carnal weapons against the king ; so did not we , neither in intent nor action ; and therefore our meetings ought not to be prohibited , for the cause of other mens faults and miscarriages in that case ; and also we have the king's promise , divers times , that we should not suffer for our religion , while we aded nothing against the peace of the kingdom and government ; which yet we never have done , nor made any ill use of our meetings , nor of the king's promises , nor forfeited them , and therefore , according to his own promises , we ought to have our meetings , and enjoy them without restraint , because we have not farfeited the benefit of his former promises in that behalf , nor ever made use of our meetings , to plot or conspire against the government , to its harm or detriment ; and because of our innocency herein , the benefit of his former promises , are yet in force unto us , to protect our lawful meetings , and not to prohibit them ; and though upon suspition only out meetings have been restrained , and our friends imprisoned by the late proclamation ; yet we being proved innocent , and without guilt of that which occasioned it , the king and council may and ought in justice and good reason , to reverse and revoke that part of the proclamation related to us , as being innocent , that we may enjoy our lawful meetings , according to the scriptures and example of saints , and according to the king 's own former promises . iv. all these things considered and rightly understood by the king and his council , it will appear unto them , in good reason , 1. that our meetings are just and lawful in themselves , because they are for the worship of the lord god , and to wait upon him. 2. they are according to the example of the apostles , because the scriptures prove the like meetings . 3. and they are not contrary to his own promises , and toleration that he gave for six months after his coming in , because he said , vve should not suffer for our religion , if we lived peaceably ; and we were not disturbed by authority from him ( that we know of ) in our meetings , till this occasion . 4. it will appear , that we ought in iustice and equity to have our lawful meetings protected and preserved by the king's authority , and not prohibited ; because we are not guilty of that which occasioned this present restraint : but what we have suffered in this case , it hath been upon suspition , and without any just cause on our part : and for these ends and causes i plead on the behalf of the innocent , that we may enjoy peaceably our meetings for the exercise of god's worship , and not be prohibited in the king's dominions under his authority . v. but and if we are persecuted and imprisoned , and made to suffer for this cause of meeting together , to worship god and wait upon him , in conscience and duty towards him ; and for following the scriptures example , as the saints of old , as afore-mentioned ; we must only commit our cause to the god of heaven , and in patience suffer under whatsoever is unequally inflicted upon us for this matter , if men shew the height of oppression towards us ; and we must put on the spirit of long-suffering and forbearance , and leave vengeance to the lord , who will in his season redress our cause , if that we are persecuted for meeting together , and for worshipping of the lord , according as his spirit perswades our consciences ; and such our sufferings are , not for evil-doing , not as transgressors against god nor the king , but as servants of god we suffer , and for holding the testimony of jesus , and a good conscience . and thus i have brought the state of our case , as concerning our meetings , unto the kings knowledge , and must leave it to his serious view ; and happy will he be if he hath regard to the afflicted ; but if he stop his ear from the cry of the poor , and suffer them to be destroyed , who shall plead for him , or excuse him in the day of the lord , when he comes to judgement , to reward every man according to his deeds . chap. iii. the case stated and pleaded concerning tythes , as paid among the jews , and also among the christians ; and the cause why we refuse to pay them at this day . i. vve do acknowledge that tythes , as instituted , given , and received in the law of moses , amongst the iews , and according to the commandment of god , were of heavenly ordination , and were for that holy use and end , of maintaining the levitical priesthood , and the poor , the widows , and the strangers in israel : and we know that whilest that livitical priesthood of signs , and types , and figures was yet unfinished and unfulfilled by christ jesus the everlasting priest , that law that gave and received tythes was in force , and it was sinful against god , and contrary to his law , in any of israel to withhold their tythes , and not to pay them , and such as did , robbed god and the poor , and the prophet complained against them ; for then the ordination of tythes was of god , and the practise and end of them was good and blessed ; but that law and priesthood , that gave and received them , is finished and ended , with all the types and shadows of the first covenant , heb. 7. 12. and christ iesus the everlasting priest of god , is come , in whom is ended the first priesthood that took tythes , and that law that gave them , and he hath put an end to tythes , temple , priests-office , under the law among the iews , and all outward types and figures , and first covenant , and is an high priest for ever , and the everlasting substance of all shadows pertaining to the first covenant , and hath finished them , and ended them ; even that law and ordinance that gave and received tythes , and that priesthood to whom tythes pertained , so that though it was unlawful in the first covenant to withhold the payment of tythes , yet that covenant being ended , and that law and priesthood , and another covenant and priesthood established , to whom the law of god allows not the tythes of mens estates , it seems now to be unlawful to pay , receive , or demand tythes , and for good conscience sake we cannot do it . ii. we cannot now pay tythes according to the first covenant , nor uphold any part of the first priesthood , that stood in types and shadows , nor submit to that law , by any obedience to it , which one gave and received tythes ; seeing iesus christ is come in the flesh , who hath ended all that covenant , with every thing that pertained thereunto ; and we believe in iesus christ as the everlasting substance , and receive the law , by which we walk , in all things from him , and not from abraham , nor moses : for he is with us , who is greater then they , whose law and example we must follow , in the administration of the gospel , and not the law and example of abraham and moses , in the first covenant , who did but prophesie of christ , and did not witness him fully come , but died in the faith ; now if we should pay tythes according to the first covenant , and so uphold any part of that priesthood which took tythes , which was but a type of christ the everlasting priest , then we should deny iesus christ to be come in the flesh , and turn back again to the law , and to the iewes ordinances , and prove our selves unbelievers and antichristian ; for he that denies christ to be come in the flesh , is of antichrist , 1 iohn 4. 3. and we may as well turn back to circumcision , sacrifices , and burnt-offerings , as to pay tythes , being all pertaining to the first covenant , and priesthood , which whomsoever doth uphold , denieth iesus christ to be come in the flesh , and so are of antichrist ; but we believe christ is come , and we have received him , as the end and finishing of the first priesthood , and we believe in him , as the everlasting sustance , who hath put an end to tythes , temples , burnt-offerings , &c. and we confess unto him as our iudge and law-giver , and have renounced all shadowes pertaining to the first covenant , whereof one was tythes , and for conscience sake , and that we may continue in the faith of christ , the substance , and not deny him , therefore it is that we refuse , and cannot pay tythes , for we are christians and believers , and not iewes , nor children of the first covenant . iii. and there is no example by any of the apostles or saints , in all the new testament , that ever any of the christians that believed in iesus christ , gave , paid , or received tythes ; i say , there is no example at all , by either precept or practice , left us on record , that any of the ministers of the gospel , in the apostles days , did pay or receive tythes , for any ministerial office nor otherwise ; but we do believe , that none of the christians in the first nor second age after christ , since his resurrection , did institute , pay , or receive tythes as maintenance of gospel ministry ; but we believe that the ministers of christ whom he sent forth to preach the gospel after his ascention , did bear witness to the new covenant , and to iesus christ the substance , and against temple , sacrifices , tythes , and first priesthood , and the worship of the first covenant , and said , that covenant was found faulty and none could attain perfection , as pertaining to the conscience , in it , and therefore god took that covenant away , that he might establish a better , heb. 8. 6 , 7. heb. 6. 19. and also divers of the holy martyrs since the apostles days , as william thorpe , and others , did preach down tythes , and denied the payment of them , and for conscience sake to god , could neither give nor receive tythes , but fully witnessed against them , though they suffered for it in their days ; so that , 1. we have no example from the apostles nor christians in their dayes , to pay tithes , but rather the contrary ; for we have testimony from them , that the first covenant and priesthood , with all shadowes and ordinances thereunto belonging ( whereof tythes was one ) were disanulled , finished , and ended by the coming of christ ; and a new covenant established , in which nothing is signified of paying tythes : from whence it may appear to all , that tythes are ended , and not to be payed in the new covenant . 2. we have clear example from the martyrs since the apostles days , not to pay tythes ; for divers of the protestant martyrs , ( called the fathers of their church ) did witness against tythes , and refused to pay any . 3. we believe in our own consciences , that tythes , as received , and payed in these dayes , are not of any institution of god , nor exercised to any good use and end , but that they are of antichrist , and oppression , and unjust exactions , and impositions upon the poor people of these kingdoms ; and therefore we do refuse to pay tythes , and we cannot for good conscience sake ; and the exercise of our consciences herein in denying to pay tythes , is well and lawfully grounded upon the coming of christ , and upon the example of the apostles and martyrs . and thus in brief i have shewed concerning tythes , and why we refuse to pay them , and the matter of our consciences in that case . iv. as for tythes , as now demanded , paid , and received , in these kingdoms , we know they are not of heavenly institution , nor for a good use and end ordained and practised , but as they are now paid , both in these kingdoms , and through christendom , they are of popish institution , and were first ordained , paid , and received by the authority of the church of rome , and were unequally imposed upon the nations through her authority , for the use and end to maintain her priests , and clergy , and church ; and the instituiion , and payment of tythes among christians , was not till near 400 years after christ , as historians say ; and for divers ages after that , there were no lawes enjoyning and forcing the payment of them , not till about the year 786. that pope adrian the first , sent two legates into england , to make a decree , that the people of two kingdoms ( to wit ) merc-land and northumberland , should pay tythes . by these and other testimonies it is manifest , that the payment of tythes amongst christians , had their first original from the church of rome and by succession from thence , and not from the apostles are tythes paid , given , and received at this day in these kingdoms ; and the institution , payment , and use , and end of them is not according to the law of moses at all : for tythes , as then amongst the iewes , ordained , and payd , were for the happy use , to feed the poor , the widows and the fatherless in israel , that there should not be a beggar amongst them : but the use and end of the payment of them now in these dayes , is for the maintaining a company of priests , in their pride and fulness , and the poor and the strangers may starve , and lie begging up and down at the corners of the streets ; so that we cannot for conscience sake at this day pay tythes . 1. because the first institution of them among christians , was not from heaven , nor from christ iesus , nor his apostles , but from the pope and church of rome . 2. because the use and end of tythes is not according to god , nor righteousness , but for the maintaining the priests in pride , and fulness , and their families ; and in the mean time the poor want . 3. because the continued payment of them , is exaction and imposition , contrary to the gospel of liberty and peace , upon the persons , estates , and consciences , of many good people in these kingdomes . v. all these things rightly and justly considered , it is manifest , and plainly apparent to all good men , that this matter of denying to pay tythes , is a clear case of conscience with us , and that we have sufficient ground to make conscience hereof , and for good conscience sake we may justly refuse and deny to pay tythes ; and the exercise of our consciences herein , is bottomed upon a right foundation , as i have made appear , and it is not for covetousness to our selves , nor in contempt of authority , nor in willfulness to wrong any man of his iust right , nor for any other evil end , that we do refuse to pay tythes ; but it is for conscience sake , only & alone for that end , that we may keep our consciences clear in the sight of god , by our faithfulness in denying of what we are convinced of to be evil and not of god , as i have shewed , we are in this case of tythes ; and we dare not sin against god by disobedience to him , nor uphold the payment of tythes in these kingdoms , which are so evil , both in their ordination , and in their use and end , as paid in these dayes , as i have shewed ; for if we should , we might offend his spirit , and our own consciences , and bring anguish upon our souls , and be guilty of denying of christ and his coming , and of making void the new covenant ; and of walking contrary to the examples of the apostles and holy martyrs , and of upholding antichrist and his kingdom : these , with many other evils , we run our selves into , if we should pay tythes in these dayes , and after the romish institution ; and therefore it is for conscience sake that we do refuse to pay tythes ; and whatsoever we do suffer because thereof , it is persecution , and for , and because we cannot sin against our god : and it is not for evil doing , for rebellion , nor for transgression against the law of god , nor the iust laws of men ; but it is for holding the testimony of iesus and a good conscience ; and in such our sufferings , we commit our cause to the god of heaven , patiently bearing what is unequally inflicted upon us for this matter ; and our cause is iust and innocent for which we suffer , and we have more respect to keep our faith and conscience towards god , than to save our estates or liberties ; for could we transgress against god , and pay tythes , we might preserve our liberties and estates , which we have endangered and lost often , because we could not ; which may shew that it is not for covetousness nor self-ends , that we refuse to do it ; and this our case about tythes , and the reason why we cannot pay them , is in brief stated and pleaded , before the king and his council , and i leave it to their considerations in the sight of god , only to warm them , that they persecute not any for the cases of conscience , neither in this nor in any other thing , lest the effect of it be sad upon them , in a day when god visits them with judgments . chap. iv. the case stated and pleaded , concerning giving security by bond , to live peaceably , or to answer cases then and there , &c. as is often required of us . i. forasmuch as we are often demanded , to give bond of one or two hundred pounds ( or the like ) for security ( so called ) that we will live peaceably ; or , that we will appear and answer such cases objected against us , or supposed of us . now we cannot give such kind of formal engagements out of the counsel of god , to be or do , or to appear , or answer , this , or the other case , when as we are no transgressors in the things objected against us , and supposed of us ; and when we are suspected by prejudiced minds , of such and such matters , of which we are no wayes guilty in the sight of god nor men ; and then it is demanded of us , to bind our selves , to find sureties , and to answer this and the other objection and supposition , only falsly supposed and suspected against us , by men that seek occasion against us . this demand we cannot fulfill for conscience-sake ; because we are clear , and not guilty of such suspitions ; nor can we bind our selves ( out of the counsel of god ) upon penalties and forfeitures , to appear and answer such and such groundless objections ; for if we should in that manner bind and engage our selves not to do so , or answer this and the other objection against us , when we know our selves innocent of that accusation , to which we are to answer , and that it is not in our hearts to do the thing whereof we are doubted , but contrary to our faith and principles ; then this were a betraying of our own innocency in that behalf , and a rendring of us guilty to all men , when as we are clear ; and by binding our selves , as afore-mentioned , we should be reputed transgressors : for bonds and engagements by forfeitures and sums of money , are for the guilty , and not for the innocent ; and we may not betray our guiltless cause , and bring it under false reputation amongst men , by giving such binding engagements . and again , when as we are clear of any such suspitions as are made against us , if we should bind our selves , as aforesaid ; it many times doth appear , that occasion is more taken against us , in answering or appearing , and we made to be greater offenders than before ; and there again our innocency is betrayed , when as innocent of the fact supposed against us , yet made offenders in answering through formalities and tricks in the course of law practised at the time of answering ; and therefore we do in good reason and equity , deny to bind our selves in that manner , and to give such security ( so called ) lest we should betray our own innocency , and render our cause to false reputations in that behalf ; and lest we should fall into a remedy , to clear us of false suspitions , worse than the suspitions themselves , by laying our selves liable to greater suffering in answering to our accusations , falsly objected , than our suffering can be by the accusations themselves ; and evil-minded men , do often take greater occasion against us in answering false charges and groundless suppositions laid against us , than they can take by the false charges and suspitions themselves ; and so we cannot bind our selves , as aforesaid , to fulfil the wills of men , and thereby expose our selves to a far greater suffering ( to be taken in it ) for to escape a lesse . ii. but as for living peaceably in the land , and being subject in all just and good things to the king and his government ; and not to plot against them , nor to harm any person whatsoever , but to be in love with all , and in good behaviour towards all , and to answer to any thing justly required of us : this is our principle to do , and hath ever been our practice , and we are bound by the law of god to perform this in every particular ; and we can fully make confession hereof , and testifie it in yea and nay , according to the new covenant and christ's command , who hath said , let your yea be yea , , and your nay , nay , but not by an oath , nor binding our selves upon such penalties and forfeitures in engagements by sums of money , out of the counsel of god ; and our yea and nay , in this and all other cases , is more binding to us , than all the formal engagements of others ; and we make as much conscience to perform our yea and nay , as any others do their oaths or bonds ; and if we do not , but do plot and rebel , and be of evil behaviour towards any , then let us suffer the same , as if we had bound our selves in forfeitures of great sums of money , and broken such our engagements : and no man need in any case bind himself upon such pains and forfeitures , not to break the laws of the land ; when as the justice of the law will be executed upon him if he transgress it , whether he bind himself , or not , beforehand , not to break it ; and this is the thing we alwayes offer : here we are , if we bave broken any law , let us suffer according to the law ; and if at any time we are found guilty of transgressing the law , let us then suffer accordingly , whether death or bonds we crave no favour , but the execution of just law : ; and in the mean time , being we are clear of rebellion and other transgression ; who shall accuse us ? or , who can reasonably require such or such engagements of us to do , or not to do , or answer so or so ; seeing we must in justice suffer the punishment of the law when we transgress it ; which we must do , if we are at any time guilty , whether we beforehand bind our selves to the contrary or not ? and also , if we should bind our selves , by the engagements of such and such sums of money , to live quietly and not to rebel : yet we should be no better trusted because thereof , for that would not slay the principle of strife and wars in us , but rather cause us to murmur because of our bondage , and strive for liberty ; and also if we were men of dispositions to war and plot , &c. it cannot be supposed by reasonable men , that any engagement by any sum of money , would bind us from it , upon occasion , seeing we might hope in such attempts to save our sums of money , and to gain far more advantage , or else we hazarded to lose all ; and to gain a greater advantage ( if we were men of strife ) we would not doubt to attempt to lose a lesse ; and we being men not of strife , we cannot bind our selves as aforesaid , in this or any case ; neither can any in good reason desire the same of us , if they rightly consider the case . iii. these things considered , it is fully manifest , that upon good reason and a clear conscience , we do refuse and deny to give bond , and make such and such engagements by forfeitures of sums of money ; it is , i say , in good reason and conscience , and not in any wilfulness , or stubornness , or contempt of authority that we do it , nor as though we were guilty in such mater suspected , and durst not answer the law ; but we do it to keep our innocency clear , and not to betray it into real cause of doubt that we are guilty . 2. that we may not lay our selves liable to a greater suffering , by answering false suspitions and accusations , as it often happeneth in the proceedings in course of law. 3. that we may not come under men of evil prejudiced minds , that seek more occasion against us than they have ; and we may not fulfill their wills , and to give them occasion against us , when as in the accusations they have justly none . 4. that we may not expose our selves to be entrapted and ensnared into greater sufferings , to avoid a less . 5. that we may walk in the doctrine and command of christ iesus , who hath commanded to let our yea be yea , and our nay be nay ; and whatsoever oath or engagement ( out of the counsel of god ) is more , comes of the evil , which we may not do . these , with some others , are reasons and causes why we cannot for conscience sake bind our selves in such kind of formal engagements ( out of the will of god ) to do , or not to do ; to answer this false suspition or the other ; but we do deny it out of good reason and conscience . and also there is no example for it , that we know , among the saints in former ages , that any of them ever bound themselves to any kings or rulers in any such kind of engagements , neither can we at this day ; but as i said , if we transgresse the law , let us suffer by it ; if we are already , or hereafter be found guilty , we desire nothing but the just execution of just laws , and in patience we shall bear it ; but beforehand we may not bind our selves in formal engagements out of the will of god , to promise upon forfeitures and penalties what we will do or say , or what we will not do or say ; for at the will and disposure of the almighty we are , in all things and cases ; and it is our principle and belief , that we abiding in the fear and counsel of god , can be no other than peaceable , just , righteous and innocent in the land ; so that whatsoever we may or do suffer for this case , of denying to give bond , or engage our selves so and so , as aforesaid , it is for truths sake , and such our sufferings are persecution and unequal ; and we must commit our cause to god , who will plead it in his season , if that we are persecuted for the cause of groundless suspition , and because we cannot engage to answer causeless objections . and thus i have sought out this matter , and laid it before the king , and i leave it to him to consider ; and to shew iustice , equity , mercy and long-suffering , and in so doing he will be blessed ; but if the contrary be brought forth , the effect thereof will be more miserable . chap. v. the case stated and pleaded , concerning government it self , and particularly of this present authority , and our obedience to it . i. vve do acknowledge government , and rule , and magistracy to be an ordinance of god , ordained and instituted of him , to be exercised among the children of men , for to be a praise and a defence to all that do well , and to be a terrour and correction to all that do evil . and we believe there ought to be rule , and government and authority exercised and executed in every kingdom , nation , city and country , for the end aforesaid ( to wit ) that evil-doers may be made afraid and corrected , limited , restrained and subdued ; and that sin and transgression may be suppressed ; and truth and righteousness promoted ; and them that do well , praised and strengthened : and this is the very end of outward government of kings , princes , or others , amongst men upon the earth , even that the outward man may be kept in good order and subjection in his conversation in the world ; and may be limited and restrained from all wrong doing or speaking against his neighbours person or estate ; and if he do , he is punishable by such iust authority . this is the very end of outward government in the kingdoms of the world ; but it extends not over the inward man , to rule , govern , or exercise authority over the consciences of any in spiritual matters and cases between god and a mans conscience ; this dominion and authority only pertains to the inward government and rule of iesus christ by his eternal spirit , but not to any outward government of kings , princes , parliaments , or any others ; they , i say , ought only to exercise authority over the persons and estates of people in all just and lawful things and matters , but not over the consciences of any in the exercise of duty towards god , or in the cases and matters of worship and religion . ii. the exercise and execution of this iust government over the outward man , as afore described , ought to be committed into the hands of faithful , just and upright men , such as fear the lord , and hate covetousness , and every evil way , in all kingdoms of the world ; the execution of the government in all just laws , onght ( i say ) to be committed to such men , and not to drunkards , lyars , covetous or evil-minded persons , ambitious or vain-glorious persons in any nation ; such as these ought not to be entrusted with the execution of the government , and the good laws of any kingdom ; for such will not be a blessing unto the land , nor unto any people , but a curse , and the cause of provoking god to vengeance and wrath against themselves , the people and the governments , if such men , whom god chooseth not , be chosen to make laws and execute them , and to exercise government in any kingdoms of this world ; but men that fear god , and delight in iustice , mercy and truth , that are humble and meek and lowly persons , ought to be called to the place of government , and only such are fit to exercise rule and authority , and to make and execute laws in these kingdoms , and in all the kingdoms of the world ; and such would be a blessing in the earth , and the governments under such , and in the execution of their hands , would be blessed and prosperous ; and all good men would have cause to rejoyce therein , and all evil doers and transgressors would be limited and made afraid , if so be the laws be just , holy and righteous , and according to equity and the holy law of god in all things , and the due execution of such laws committed to just and righteous and meek men , that love iudgment , mercy and truth , and would execute them in the earth ; then the happy and blessed government will be exalted , and truth and righteousness would reign as judge on the throne ; and in this shall all nations and kingdoms be prosperous and blessed when in cometh to passe . iii. and as for this present authority and government now in being , under the name of king charles the second , we do believe and acknowledge , that according to the purpose and will of god , and of his bringing to passe , this present government and authority is set up , and into its present being , established ; the lord , i say , hath suffered it to be effected , for the cause , and end , and time , and purpose , known to himself , and not to mortal man : and thus this government and authority is of god , being brought in and set up , in opposition to , and for the reproof and correction of , such as went before , who had neglected mercy , truth , iudgment and righteousness in the earth , till it was time for the lord to cast them out , and reprove them , and make them a desolation before their enemies ; and this authority was judged of the lord fit for that use and end , and reserved to be brought in , as a rod of god in his hand , to correct and smite many people ; and it is right in the sight of the lord , that this authority should have this time and season to be exercised in these kingdoms , to try and prove , both it self , and all under it , if so be that truth , justice and righteousness , mercy and peace , may be brought forth in these kingdoms through it , that god may establish it for long continuance ; and it is now a trying and proving , to make it self happy and blessed , or otherwise to bring it self into contempt and dishonour ; and accordingly , as truth , iustice , mercy , iudgment and peace is brought forth by it , or the contrary brought forth by it ; so must the just and equal effects and reward of it be from the hand of god ; and it is only iust iudgment , mercy and truth , righteousness , relieving the oppressed , and the doing thereof , that can alone make the person and government of the king happy , blessed and honourable in this world , and hereafter ; and the contrary , if it be brought forth , must needs bring confusion , discontents , and all miserable iudgments ; and , to say no more of it , this is my present judgment of the king and his authority , both in respect of their coming in , and the cause thereof , and the fruits and effects that must follow , which is not otherwise determined of god , but according to desert and merit , of walking in truth , justice , and righteousness , or in walking otherwise . iv. our obedience to this authority , must be according , as before declared , in the plea of the first case concerning allegiance ( to wit ) for conscience sake to god , we are bound by his iust law in our hearts to yeeld obedience to it , in all matters and cases actively or passively ; that is to say , in all just and good commands of the king , and the good laws of the land , relating to our outward man , we must be obedient by doing , and not withhold our just obedience ; but in the cases of conscience ( to wit ) in the matters of duty to god , and of worship , faith and religion towards him , we must only be obedient to god ; for it is he that teacheth and requireth obedience in all those things : and if any thing be commanded of us by the present authority , which is not according to equity , iustice , and a good conscience towards god , to be done by us , we must in such cases , obey god only , and deny active obedience for conscience sake , and patiently suffer what is inflicted upon us for such our disobedience to men ; and we must choose obedience to god rather than man , though we suffer because thereof : and this is our principle , and hath ever been our practice , to obey authority , by doing , or suffering , not disputing whether the authority in it self be absolute of god , or not ; yet being an authority over us , we are to obey it , either by doing , or suffering , because it is an authority ; and not to plot , rebel , or rise up with carnal weapons against it : and thus must our obedience be to the king and his government . and if that in any thing of the commands of the king , we cannot be obedient for conscience sake , in the cases of conscience , and when ought is required different or contrary to the law of god , we have example hereof in the scriptures , of many of the servants of god that could not in all things , yeeld obedience to the laws of nations and commandments of kings , when they required ought to be obeyed , contrary to their pure consciences ; as in the case of the three children , dan. 3. they could not obey the law and command of the king , though it was absolute , but refused obedience , and suffered for it ; and daniel also himself disobeyed the kings law and commands , dan. 6. and the apostles the same , when they were commanded by the authority of that city and country , to preach no more in the name of iesus , act. 4. 17 , 18. they did not obey the command of the rulers in that case , but went on and preached iesus , in disobedience and contrary to the command of the rulers . and by these , and many other exumples , it is apparent , that it is justifiable in the sight of god , and that it was practised by the servants of god in former ages , even disobedience to kings and authorities , in the matters and cases commanded contrary to the law of god and a good conscience ; and their example may justifie such now in the same practice , in the same case , if they walk therein by the same principle . v. and thus it is manifest , that if we at any time be found not in full obedience by doing , in all cases and things , to the laws and authority of this kingdom ; it is not out of contempt unto , or rebellion against the kings person or government ; it is not , i say , on that account , but for good conscience sake , and because we must obey god rather than man , when and where their commands stand in opposition the one to the other ; and this is , that we may keep our consciences clear in the sight of god , from disobedience against him , which is our care and endeavour by all means : and when any thing is required of us to be done , which we cannot do with a clear conscience in the sight of god , such commands we cannot yeeld obedience unto ; and yet it is not out of wilfulness , stubornness , contempt , or rebellion against the authority ; but it is for this end and cause , that we may not sin against god , nor against our own consciences , by doing any thing which is contrary thereunto , lest we should bring the wrath of god upon our own consciences : so that all these things rightly considered , it doth appear , 1. that we acknowledge magistracy and authority to be the ordinance of god , to be exercised and executed in the kingdoms of the world among men . 2. that iust and righteous men , are the only persons fit to execute iust laws and authorities in the earth . 3. that we acknowledge this present government of king charles ; and that according to the purpose of god it is now set up . 4. that we are to be obedient by doing , or suffering in all things , to the authority of the king , as the supream authority . 5. that if in any case we are disobedient thereunto , and cannot wholly perform every command , by doing , yet it is for conscience sake to god , and that we may not sin against him , and not out of rebellion or contempt of the king or his power . and all these things truly considered , if we do suffer tribulations , afflictions and imprisonments , under and by this present authority , for and because of our profession and practice of religion , without evil or wrong doing to our neighbours persons or estates , though we do not in the things contrary to our consciences obey actively this present authority , yet we are persecuted for the name of christ ; and as so , we receive our sufferings , and not as for contempt or denyal of authority , or as rebellious against it ; but for conscience sake to god , our sufferings are , and our unjust persecution will be upon our enemies in the effect and reward thereof , with great indignation and wrath from the lord god , that rewards all according to their works . thus much about government . and now i shall shew what persecution is in it self . chap. vi. concerning persecution , what it is in it self , and how great an enemy it is to the kings person and authority . 1. persecution is , when a person , or a people , do suffer tribulation , affliction , imprisonment , bonds , or death , whether by a law or without the law , for , and because of his or their principle and practice in religion ; as when a person or a people are reproached , falsly accused , imprisoned or put to death , only for and because of their religion sake ; when as no evil-dealing in the things between man and man , can be justly , charged and proved against them , but only because they are righteous , and walk in the wayes of the lord , and cannot conform to the wayes and vanities of this world , but are separated from it in its prophaness , and in its formal profession also of religion ; and because thereof sufferings are imposed upon them , while yet they walk justly , innocently and harmlesly towards all men : this is persecution for conscience sake , and such are persecuted , if so be they suffer for and because of righteonsness sake , and because they will not deny their principles nor profession of religion , nor conform to times , nor laws , contrary to a good conscience , and yet suffer because hereof ; this is persecution . 2. persecution is , when a person or a people is afflicted , and any kind of sufferings imposed upon them , whether by any authority , or without authority , and only because they are of such a profession and practice in religion ; though yet their profession and practice in their religion is not perfectly according to god , nor by the exercise of that spirit of god ruling in their consciences in such their religion , yet if they suffer only for their religion sake , while yet they walk uprightly as men , in all outward affairs relating to the outward man , this also is persecution , and such are persecuted for their religion sake , though not wholly for righteousness sake ; and none ought to suffer as such , under the authority of any king , prince , or power ; but if such do suffer , as i have said , and that for their religion sake only so , though yet their religion is not perfectly according to god , yet they are persecuted , and this is persecution . and thus i have in short described and defined what persecution is in it self , and who it is that are persecuted , and i shall now shew how great an enemy persecution for conscience and religion sake is unto the king's person and authority . persecution for conscience sake , and for difference in matters of religion , is a great enemy to the person and government of the king ; it is , i say , a destroying and devouring enemy , and the fruits and effects thereof may work terrible destruction , yea , this enemy [ persecution ] hath often wrought overthrow in kingdoms : let the king strive to be delivered speedily from this great enemy , which is fierce and cruel , and may work woful effects in this kingdom also , and the king may be more blessed in his person and government if he remove far from him this enemy , persecution . i. it is his enemy , because its effect is , to eat out the affections of many good and sober people from the king , and may make their love and affections dye to the king's government , when they behold and consider the persecution of many good and peaceable people for righteousness and good conscience sake , when as no evil doing between man and man can justly be laid to their charge , but only for the matter of their religion and the exercise of their consciences towards god ; and if such suffer cruel imprisonment , unjust fines , and grievous vexations for such cause , it may weaken and eat out the affections of good people , and divert their love and good desires from the king and his government , in which such persecution is brought forth : and that which diverts the peoples love from the king , is his great enemy , and such is persecution . ii. persecution is the king 's great enemy ; because it may kindle heart-burnings , envyings , strifes , and murmurings among his subjects , while some are tolerated in the profession and practice of their religion , and others persecuted and imprisoned for the same cause ; and this kind of dealing exerciseth the king's subjects in harsh dealing one towards another , and gives great occasions for quarrelling , envyes , debate and malice one against another , even when some execute persecution upon others , haling them to prison , spoyling their goods , and the like ; and this kind of dealing , i say , whilst the authority of the land persecutes one sort of the king's subjects by the hands of others , it tendeth much to great division and distractions amongst the people ; and it is not for the king's safety , but for his great dishonour and disadvantage every way , to have the people divided into heart-burnings and quarrellings against one another ; and therefore persecution is the king 's great enemy , because it worketh such evil effects . iii. it is his great enemy , because it is contrary to the trust which god hath reposed in him , in promoting him to be king over these people ; for god hath not committed power to him , to judge in the cases of mens consciences , and to persecute any because of the exercise thereof , whether they be of this profession and practice in religion , or the other , yet living peaceably and uprightly as men , he ought not to persecute any , nor to suffer them to be persecuted by , nor under his authority ; but he ought to defend and preserve all mens persons and estates in their just rights , from the violence each of others , without respect to what their profession and practice of religion is ; but if the contrary be brought forth , it is contrary , and not answerable to the end of god's restoring him to these kingdoms ; and if he do not what god hath justly called him unto , but otherwise , this is his enemy ; and such is persecution for conscience sake , it is contrary to the end of just government , and wherefore god hath restored him ; and therefore this persecution is an utter enemy both to the king's person and authority . iv. it is his enemy , because it provokes the god of heaven and earth over all , to be offended with him ; for he is provoked and vexed because of the persecution of his people in this age , as ever he was in all ages ; and if the king be guilty thereof , it incurreth god's great displeasure against him : for god was ever offended with kings , rulers , and whomsoever that were persecuters , and he is the same at this day ; and whatsoever it is that provokes god to anger against the king , that is his enemy : and such is persecution of people for the profession and practice of their religion , when as no evil can be charged upon them in things between man and man : and therefore let the king beware of this woful enemy that waits to wound him ; for if the god of heaven be provoked against him , how great is that enemy which brings it to pass ? v. it is the king's enemy , because it not only provokes the lord to anger , but to iudgment ; persecution is the cause wherefore god brings grievous iudgments and vengeance upon whomsoever are guilty thereof ; and the effect of persecution is plagues and misery ; and it incenseth god to anger , and also to destroy : and therefore let the king beware of such a deadly enemy , as should cause god to destroy him : and such an enemy is persecution of gods people for conscience sake , it draweth down the wrath of god upon kings and kingdoms , upon rich and poor , upon high and low , that are guilty of it , for it is the fulfilling of all other sins , and it hastens to bring destruction upon all that are guilty ; and this effect it will work upon the king , even this his enemy persecution , if he turn not from it , and overcome it , and banish it from him ; for it is the cause of both inward and outward , of both internal and external plagues and judgments of god. vi. persecution it is an enemy to the king , because it will work to weaken the hands of iust and sober and righteous men , it will weaken their love and affections , and it makes their hearts sad ; and wo is unto them that make sad their hearts , whom god doth not make sad : and this doth persecution ; and it doth not only weaken the hearts and the hands of the righteous and sober persons , but it strengthens the hands of the rude , ungodly , and prophane through the land , and that which strengthens the wicked and the rude multitude in wantonness , scorning and prophaness , that is the king's enemy ; but such is persecution for a good conscience sake ; and because it weakens the righteous in their good and upright wayes , and strengthens the wicked in their evil wayes , therefore it is an enemy unto the king. vii . persecution is an enemy unto him , because it tends to render him dishonourable both in the sight of god , and all good men through the world ; for it will shew , that he is cruel and bitter , and perverse , and that he wants humility , meeknesse , forbearance and patience , if he be guilty ; and this is dishonorable , to have and profess evil qualities and properties , and to be without the good ; and by persecution this will be made manifest to all the world , and ever was in all ages , that the persecutors of good conscience gained unto themselves , dishonour and reproach of all good men in all ages after them : for they were men full of rage and malice and passionatness , and wanted patience and humility , and this made them dishonourable : and the case will be the same with the king , if he be a persecutor for conscience sake , and he will be dishonourable both in this present time , and in ages to come , and this by persecution , and therefore it is his enemy , that will work many mischiefs and evils upon him , if he be not wholly delivered from it . viii . persecution is an enemy to the king's person and authority , because persecution for conscience sake is of the devil , it is of his spirit , and not of the spirit of god , to persecute , imprison , kill and destroy mens persons and estates , because of their religion-sake , when as no unjust dealing , nor unrighteous conversation can be justly laid to their charge , but only for , and because of such profession and practice in religion , to persecute any , because hereof , this is of the devil ; and that which is of the devil , is the king's enemy , and an enemy to all mankind , and such is persecution ; and therefore it is a deadly mortal enemy , which wounds kings , princes and rulers that ever have had friendship with it ; and therefore let the king avoid this great enemy , lest its effects prove miserable . ix . it is the king's enemy , because it is according to the example of all the wicked kings and rulers that ever have been through ages and generations , as of pharoah , ahab , herod , nero , and many more , who were persecutors of people for conscience sake , who gained unto themselves thereby reproach , infamy and misery from god and men ; and to follow their example , is the king's enemy , and such is persecution , if he should persecute for conscience sake , and about religion and the worship of god ; then he follows the example of wicked kings , and this will be his enemy , and will work woful effects , if so be he walk in the steps of the persecutors of old , and love that which is his enemy . x. persecution is the king's enemy , because the end and effects of it is misery and destruction upon all that persecute the heritage of god : what was pharaaoh's end , and herod's end , and nero's end ? was not their end woful and miserable to god and shameful to men ? and persecution for conscience sake will bring the same effects at this day ; the end of all persecutors will be misery and shame even in the day of the lord , when he comes with iudgment and vengeance , and to reward every man according to his deeds , then will he reward persecution and persecutors with his fierce wrath , and they shall know the justice of god's judgments executed upon them : and therefore happy will the king be if he keep himself clear , and put far from him this enemy persecution . three considerations i have to present unto the king for conclusion . i. the strength , and safety and prosperity of the king and his government , stands in the union , good affection and love of his subjects , and the people of these kingdoms , one to another , and to the king ; and the more that the people of the kingdoms are in love and union and good affection , one with another and to the king , the more strong and safe , and prosperous thereby is the king and his government , and the more like for a long and happy continuance and establishment : and it is the love and union and affection of the sober and grave , and just and upright people , and of the meek of the land , that is the kings strength and safety , and will much tend to his prosperity , and to the establishment of his government and authority ; and the kings safety and strength and prosperity , doth not depend upon the affection and acclamations of the ruder sort , and of the wild multitude , though such profess great subjection , and cry up the king and his government , and drink his healths , and swear the destruction of all his enemies ; and have much love and great union for the king , and are for him to serve him , and swear fidelity , and engage themselves very highly in words and gestures for the king ; yet the king and his government is no whit the safer , nor more strong nor prosperous , because hereof , for his prosperity and establishment depends upon the love and good affection of the just and upright , and temperate and meek men of the kingdoms , and not upon the love of the rude multitude ; such cannot be a blessing to him in their vaunting and boasting , and rudeness ; nor can be stand by them , but must stand in the establishment of his government , by the love of such as fear the lord , and depart from all iniquity ; by the good affection of such , and their faithfulness and love may the king be happy and blessed : therefore let him strive to please such , and to gain their good affections to be united to him ; and this may adde to his long continuance . ii. it is the doing of justice and truth , and allowing all just and equal liberty to all people under his authority , that will gain upon the hearts of all just and good people ; and as righteousness , mercy , true judgment and truth is brought forth in the land , and all the contrary limited in the king's government ; this will gain much upon the hearts and affections of all good people , to be united in love one to another , and to the king ; and this is the way of the king's prosperity , and to make his government established , if so be that he exercise his rule and authority in love and meekness and equal iustice and mercy , and love righteousness and truth , and hate and deny all the contrary , and limit it ; then the spirits of all people in the kingdoms would be subjected and subdued under his power , and he should rule over them , and his kingdoms be established prosperously ; and this is the way of an happy government : but if so be the king put on rigour , and be fierce and cruel , and think to subdue all under him by will and force , without shewing justice and reason , to answer the consciences of his subjects in all his proceedings : this way can never be prosperous , nor establish him in his authority ; but it will work the contrary effect : for , if oppression be brought forth , and heavy yoaks laid upon the back of the poor ; then will the wrath of god and of men , be kindled against him , and murmurings , strifes and contentions will arise in the minds of men against him ; and the oppressions of the poor will reach unto heaven , and god will hear and revenge their cause : so that it is ruling and exercising authority in these kingdoms in justice , righteousness , love and good reason that must gain the hearts of people unto right subjection , to make the king and his government happy and established ; and rigour , force and cruelty will never make the king happy , but will work contrary : for the people are wise , and understanding will not long bear any degree of the yoak of slavery . iii . in as much as the people of these kingdoms are divers and divided , and contrary in judgment one to another in many things , and so are dis-united into several opinions and parties ; the king ought to rate in wisdom and love over them all , and to shew equal iustice and liberty , and to exercise righteousness towards them all alike , notwithstanding their difference in religion and judgments ; for if he shall give liberty to some , and oppress others ; if he do joyn with one way , and promote that , and the men of one judgment be tolerated , and all other wayes , and all others that are different in judgment , be persecuted and oppressed , and sought to be destroyed ; this is not the way for the king to prosper , nor to be established to perpetuity ; for there seems to be no one way so strong , or any one sort of people so many for the king to cleave to and allow , and seek to destroy all the rest ; because there is of other sorts of people that ballance that sort in opposition ; and so the king and his government seems not secure , if he take hold of any one sort of people , only to stand thereby , in opposition to all the rest , persecuting of them ; because there are many of other sects that will be discontented and murmur , if not more : so that the king's safety is , and the prosperity of his government , and the establishment of it seems to be , by giving equal liberty and iustice , and shewing love and tenderness to all of all iudgments ; and then he may stand by all , and none will oppose him , but all will be ready to defend and preserve him : for he may stand established , and be happy in his government , by engaging all sorts to him through love and righteousness , and liberty towards all ; but he cannot ( according to my judgment ) be established nor prosperous , if he choose only the men of one judgment to stand by , and cleave only to that , and persecute and seek to destroy all the rest that are different , and so only make one party his friends , and disengage all others in love and affection ; this seems , i say , not the way of prosperity . let the king consider it ; and the lord give him a right understanding . finis . london , printed for robert wilson , at the sign of the black-spread-eagle and windmill , in martins l' grand , 1661. the fiery darts of the divel quenched; or, something in answer to a book called, a second beacon fired, presented to the lord protector, and the parliament, and subscribed by luke fawne, john rothwel, samuel gellibrand, thomas underhill, joshua kirton, nathaniel web. wherin, their lies and slanders are made manifest against the innocent, and those books which have been published by them they call quakers, owned and vindicated, and all the rest which is in that book disowned, and their deceite laid open; how they have perverted the truth and our words in those books which they cry out of as blasphemy, that the truth may not suffer under the reproach of the heathen. / by one who is a witnesse for the truth against gog and magog, called after the flesh, francis howgil. also something in answer to a booke called a voice from the word of the lord, by one john griffith, against us, whom the world calls quakers, wherein his false accusations is denied, and he proved to be a slanderer, and the truth cleared from his scandals. by one who is a witnesse against the deceits of the world, called edward burrough. howgill, francis, 1618-1669. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a86649 of text r207383 in the english short title catalog (thomason e817_16). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 67 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 18 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a86649 wing h3159 thomason e817_16 estc r207383 99866438 99866438 167992 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a86649) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 167992) images scanned from microfilm: (thomason tracts ; 124:e817[16]) the fiery darts of the divel quenched; or, something in answer to a book called, a second beacon fired, presented to the lord protector, and the parliament, and subscribed by luke fawne, john rothwel, samuel gellibrand, thomas underhill, joshua kirton, nathaniel web. wherin, their lies and slanders are made manifest against the innocent, and those books which have been published by them they call quakers, owned and vindicated, and all the rest which is in that book disowned, and their deceite laid open; how they have perverted the truth and our words in those books which they cry out of as blasphemy, that the truth may not suffer under the reproach of the heathen. / by one who is a witnesse for the truth against gog and magog, called after the flesh, francis howgil. also something in answer to a booke called a voice from the word of the lord, by one john griffith, against us, whom the world calls quakers, wherein his false accusations is denied, and he proved to be a slanderer, and the truth cleared from his scandals. by one who is a witnesse against the deceits of the world, called edward burrough. howgill, francis, 1618-1669. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. [2], 33, [1] p. printed for giles calvert, at the black-spread eagle at the west end of pauls., london, : 1654. annotation on thomason copy: "nou: 24". reproduction of the original in the british library. eng griffith, john, 1622?-1700. -voice from the word of the lord. second beacon fired. quakers -england -early works to 1800. persecution -early works to 1800. freedom of religion -early works to 1800. a86649 r207383 (thomason e817_16). civilwar no the fiery darts of the divel quenched; or, something in answer to a book called, a second beacon fired,: presented to the lord protector, a howgill, francis 1654 13163 34 0 0 0 0 0 26 c the rate of 26 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the c category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2007-05 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2007-06 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2008-04 elspeth healey sampled and proofread 2008-04 elspeth healey text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-09 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion the fiery darts of the divel quenched ; or , something in answer to a book called , a second beacon fired , presented to the lord protector , and the parliament , and subscribed by luke fawne , john rothwel , samuel gellibrand , thomas vnderhill , joshua kirton , nathaniel web . wherin , their lies and slanders are made manifest against the innocent , and those books which have been published by them they call quakers , owned and vindicated , and all the rest which is in that book disowned , and their deceite laid open ; how they have perverted the truth and our words in those books which they cry out of as blasphemy , that the truth may not suffer under the reproach of the heathen . by one who is a witnesse for the truth against gog and magog , called after the flesh , francis howgil . also something in answer to a booke called a voice from the word of the lord , by one john griffith , against us , whom the world calls quakers , wherein his false accusations is denied , and he proved to be a slanderer , and the truth cleared from his scandals . by one who is a witnesse against the deceits of the world , called edward burrough . london , printed for giles calvert , at the black-spread eagle at the west end of pauls . 1654. first of all you go about and flatter the powers and the magistrates , and tells them they ought to have a care of their peoples souls in keeping them from infection of idolatry and blasphemy , and you say you are to informe them of the dangerousnesse of great meeting in london of quakers , whose opinions are blasphemous , paganish , antiscriptural and anti-christian , even as the former . and further , the greatest thing that troubles you , is printing and publishing books many thousands , you say , concerning blasphemous and heretical , and antimagistratical opinions tending to unchristian people , and disorder the people of the nations , and to bring in paganisme , and libertinisme , and this you say you present unto them to provoke their zeale against them . oh you blood thirsty minded men , all the care that you would have the magistrates to take of the people is to destroy them , and to have them shut up in holes and caves , and dens , and prisons , and the truth ever suffered by your generation , and your generation hath ever pressed the magistrates that they might abuse their power , and if they will but hearken to you , instead of healing the people , they will be destroyers ▪ and in stead of making up breaches , they will make desolate , and so you would drive them on hastily to satisfie your corrupt wil , and to uphold your diana , and your craft , that you may make merchandize of that which hath been long enough sold and printed by you ; and what hath it done ? who is turned from darknesse to light ? and you that makes a trade of others writings and words , to maintain you in your lusts , and deceive , this you would have them to uphold ; but as for the care of peoples soules , it s far enough from you , and all along your filthy lying slanderous booke , you are made manifest to bee of those that would have fire to come down from heaven in your wils to destroy all those that withstand you and your imaginations . and therfore let all magistrates in whom the fear of the lord is , take heed how they take things from the hands and mouthes of them who hath alwaies persecuted the power of truth , and called truth errour , and light darknesse , and darknesse light ; and in a blind zeale for god , destroy them whom the power of the lord is manifest in ; for so paul persecuted christ , and the saints , and so the jewes crucified christ , and all the saints have suffered . and you are offended at our meeting in london , while wee have beene here in the city wee have not been in a corner , and wee challenge you and all the city in the name of the lord , who is dreadfull to all liers , and slanderers , to show what are those blasphemies that you speake of , you backbiters shall have your portion with the rest of hypocrites : opinions we deny , for the light of jesus christ which is spirituall which appears and declares against all sects , and opinions , and blasphemies , and all you who hates it , are in contention , and in opinions , and blaspheme the truth ; and here i charge it upon you in the presence of the living god , that you are blasphemers who calls the light naturall and paganisme ; and the lord wil plead with you , you filthy corrupt minds , who calls the light of christ . antichristian , for here in the presence of the lord of hosts ▪ i speake it , no other light doe wee owne to walk by , but that which is spiritual and eternal , the light of christ , which he hath enlightned every one that comes into the world withal ; and this is not anti-scriptural as thou cals it ; for the scriptures witness the same , and christ bears witness of it , and no other light do we own but the same that ever was , which was in the beginning , and which convinceth the world of sin , and the same that led up the saints to know the father and the son : and you that cal this paganisme and heretical , and blasphemous , and antichristian , let all who have any light in them judg , and let shame cover your faces , and fear take hold upon you , for your words stinke , and come out of the mouth of the dragon ; ye filthy unclean frogs , which hath poison under your tongues ▪ and as for the bookes which wee have printed , wee owne them , and are ready to lay downe our lives for the testimonie of jesus , and the truth of them , and seale them with our blood , and what are written in them , through the eternal power of god , which is made manifest , and that wee have published any thing against any just magistracie , let all our writings , and all who reade them judge ; and if bearing witnesse to jesus christ unchristians people , let all judge ; for no other do wee owne , but the same christ to day and yesterday , and for ever ; and here all your petitioning is made manifest , from whence it did arise and proceed , and your shame and nakednesse , and envie appears . and the sacraments which you say you use , which is appointed in the scripture , and farnworth in answer to a petition did deny them . answer , his answer we owne ; and i challenge you to bee perverters of the scripture ; where read you of sacraments in the scripture ? here i charge you to be liers and slanderers , and deniers of the scripture , and adders to it , and the plagues shall be added to you ; and as for that which you use among you is traditional and imitatory . yet the bread which wee break is the communion of the body of christ , and the cup wee drink is the communion of the blood of christ , and this is that which paul received from him : and baptisme by one spirit into one body we owne ; the baptisme is but one , and this wee owne , and here you liers and slanderers are seen and denied . another thing you call heresie and blasphemy , is , that wee say that christ hath enlightned all men ; but i shal lay downe your own words , and prove you liers out of that booke called the general good to all people : and you say the light of god that is in all men , that is to wit , natural conscience , that it is sufficient , if wee give heed unto it , to discover sinne , and and turne our minds towards god , and that this light within , is the grace of god , and that it is christ in us . answer , let all that reades that booke , see if you bee not liers and slanderers , and perverters , and are in the generation of those false witnesses which bore witnesse against christ ; and here i charge you to be liers . where in all the bookdoth he say that the light of a natural conscience is sufficient to guide to god , if it be taken heed to ? or where doth it say it discovers sin ? there is another lie : and where doth hee say that natural conscience is the grace of god ? there is a third lie ; and where doth hee say that natural conscience is christ in us ? there is a fourth lie ; bee ashamed that ever you should goe and present so many filthy lies to authority that there is no truth in at all . oh ▪ yee darke mindes , would you be judging and prescribing what is heresie and blasphemie , and cals the light of christ paganisme and heresie ? but i am bold in the name of the lord , to declare unto you , and unto all the world , that christ is the true light that hath enlightned every one that comes into the world , and that this light is spiritual , and not natural , and it convinceth of all sinne ; hee shal convince the world of sinne , and whoso obey this light which shines into the conscience , it leads up to christ , and out of sinne , and it turns the mind towards god , and it shines in darknesse ; but you dark sottish children know it not ; yea , you that hate it , have it , and it shal condemne you , and when the book of conscience shall be opened , you shall be judged for all your hard speeches against the truth . another thing you present to be blasphemie and heresie , is that the worship that is performed in england with those ministers that sing davids psalms , baptize infants , weare double cuffes , boot hose tops , take tithes , say men shal never be perfect in this world , and that say the letter is the light , and the letter is the word ; and that salvation is in the scripture , and that cals matthew , mark , luke & john , the gospel , are seducers , and no ministers of the word , but shew forth the spirit of error . answer . all those ministers in england which abide not in the doctrine of christ ▪ all those worshippers and worships which is contrary to the scripture are heathenish , and they worship they know not what ; and all such worship is an abomination to the true god ; and i charge you and all those that would be counted ministers in england , to prove from the scripture where the saints sung davids conditions , and psalms in rimes and meter ; and where is there any scripture for baptizing of infants ▪ and whether any of the ministers of christ lived in pride and lusts of the flesh , and where any ministers of christ took tithes , which belonged to the first priesthod and the first covenant ; and so they that uphold the first , denie the second , and the one everlasting offering which perfects for ever them that are sanctified ; and where doth the scripture say that the letter is the word and the light ? but it witnesses against you and saith , god is the word , and christ is the light , and christ is the gospel , yea the everlasting gospel ; and mathew , marke , luke and john declared of him : and heare be you a witnesse against your self , ye dark minded men : and i charge you that you deny the scripture ; and all those who upholds those things are in the heathenish nature , without god in the world , in the earth where the divil dwels who is an accuser of the bretheren : and doth not the scripture and they declare it who were ministers of christ , that there were that ran after the errour of balaam , and their hearts was exercised with covetous practises ? and were there not such that was raylers , and false accusers , and blind watchmen , and greedy dumb dogs , and such as sought for their gaine from their quarter , and such as lead into wichcraft , and antichrists , deceivers ? you might as wel have called christ , and paul and peter and jude blasphemers and hereticks ; but you are made manifest just to be them and in the same nature that called christ a blasphemer , and paul a pestilent fellow , and a setter forth of strange gods , and the ministers of christ seditious ; and thou might as wel say christ despised a governor when he called herod a fox ; and now blessed be the lord the houre of his judgments is come : and we freely declare against all deceit both in magistrates , priests and people as they did that wrote forth the scripture , and beare witnesse to his name as they did , in our measure , and we have suffered and do suffer dayly by slanderous tongues , such as you have ; and imprisonments , and cruel mockings , and stripes , and bonds , and can truly say to the praise of his name , we beare in our bodies the markes of the lord jesus ; but we must passe through good report and evil report , and it is our crown and rejoycing to suffer for his name ; and now gog and magog and all the powers of the earth bends themselves and are angry , even the nations that professe christ in words , and say the scripture is their rule , but walke not according to it ; and against all such hypocrisie are we witnesses , to the fulfilling our testimony , and the laying down of our lives , that he alone may be honored who sits upon the throne of david , and of whose government there is no end , to whom be praise for ever , who shall breake all your combinations and plots , and you shall be ground to powder who set your selves against him , and be dashed to pieces as a potters vessel . and now to that which you call antimagistratical errors , that the magistrates are not to have titles of worshipful or right worshipful , and that the subjects of a common wealth which is not israels common wealth are to be disturbed , and that no civil government is to be acknowledged but the government of the law within us . answer . where reads thou or any , that any magistrate was called worshipful or right worshipful , or ever any of the saints of god did so ? he that is righteousnesse and truth , unto whom all honor and worship belongs , god blessed for ever , we owne and worship , he is no respecter of persons . and you filty flaterers who are in the curse , respect mens persons , and so you are rased out for ever from the faith of christ , and from the faith which all the holy men of god lived in , that you know it not : but you false accusers , magistrates we know , and they are for the punishment of evil doers and for the lawlesse , for liers and slanderers , such as you are , and for the praise of them that do wel , and we honor such in our hearts , and obeys their just commands ; and are not like him that said he would goe and went not , but are subject for conscience sake to the powers that are of ●od , and are subject to every ordinance of man for the lords sake ; but we cannot flatter nor respect mens persons and deny the faith of christ , but are brought from under the power of unrighteousnesse by the mighty power of god , and are subject to all just lawes which stand not , nor were made in mans wil , but obeys them for consciences sake , and if any law which is not just nor equal be required upon us that wee cannot do ; wee suffer for conscience sake , and resist not at all , as many of our enemies will witnesse for us ; and therefore you false accusers be silent ; they that are subject to israels commonwealth are righteous , and walkes in righteousnesse , in that which is just , good and holy ; and wee witnesse against all the canaanites who walk in unrighteousnesse , and all who are enemies to the commonwealth of israel must be broken to pieces , and them that strive and contend against the faith which was once delivered to the saints , and is now witnessed , praysed be the lord , all such must be disturbed and broken to peices by the just , even all the unjust shal be broken ; and as for that which thou sayest wee say , we ought not to be subject to any civil government but that which is within us , oh thou lyer , when wilt thou cease thy lying ? where is that ? i charge thee to prove where that is spoken : yet this i say unto all , moses received the law from the mouth of the lord , and it was revealed to him , and in him , and then he wrote it without and was subject to it , and all who makes laws now and doe not receive them from god , they make them in their own wils , and such as doe act contrary to the law of god ; but that law which is righteous , which is according to that in the conscience , which is holy and good and civil , we are subject both within and without to it : and all you your subjection which is not from a principle within , is not in truth not singlenesse of heart , but with flattery , and your eye service and your bowing downe in hypocrisie and saying you are subject when there is no truth in the heart , and so you are not subject for conscience sake . and further , you say in farnworth general good to all people , let every soule be subject to the higher powers , by powers is meant god , the father of jesus christ , and by king the lord of hosts , and that is another blasphemy . woe unto filthy lyers ; i challenge you that you have perverted his words , and would give meanings upon them as you do upon the scriptures , and your owne dark sottish mindes cannot comprehend , and therefore you give your own imaginations , and then calles it blasphemy ; and let all that read that booke , see if you have not belyed the truth , and perverted his words another thing you set downe for blasphemy , that none are ministers of god and called by him who are sent forth by authority of man , and that he that is not infallible in his judgement , is no minister of christ . answer . you might have said pauls words were blasphemy ; he was made a minister , not by mens wil , and all the holy men of god , and apostles were not ministers by the will of man , but contrary to the wil of man , and all who are made ministers of man , and by man , we deny , and the scripture denies them , for what they preached , they neither received it of man nor from man , but by the revelation of jesus christ ; and all who have and are made ministers by heare say , and what they have formed up in their imaginations from the scripture , with their points , and their doctrins , which they raise in their carnall mindes , all such we declare against ; and all such who abide not in the doctrine of christ , and all who were made ministers of christ , were spiritual and infallible ; that which is not infallible , is carnall : and all who are guided by the spirit of christ is infallible , and they that are not guided by it are none of his , nor the sons of god , nor ministers of christ : and therefore , all that such can judge of , is nothing but imaginary ; and all you who have subscribed this booke , and all such ministers i deny . yee shamelesse men , would you be trying and perscribing , and set dowe what is heresie , and blasphemy ; and cryes out of that for heresie , and blasphemy ; which you should try with all ? your shame is laid open to all , and now your shame i hope will appeare to the parliament , whom you petition . what cry you out against books , and printing , and blasphemy , that cannot distinguish a lamb from a dog ? would you judg truth by darknesse ? and you are offended that there are so many quakers met in the north parts lately , two thousand ; yea blessed bee the lord , there are many thousands that sees you , and never will bow to baal , nor worship in the house of rimmon more ; and m●ny shal not only come from the north , but also from the south , yea in london , that now sees all your deceit , and they shal enter , and you shal be shut out . and what truth is this that cannot defend it selfe ; and what religion is that which cannot defend it selfe , but you must have all bend to your image that you would set up ? and now unto you who are petitioned unto ; i say , unto you , take heed and beware how you call or suppresse any thing as error , or how you meddle in the prescribing god a way to walke in , for he cannot , he will not be limited : and i say unto you , it were better a milstone were hanged about your necks , then to hinder or stop , or make any law to hinder the passage of the truth which is arising : and consider the lord hath thrown out all powers before this because they would needs limit the holy one of israel , and prescribe him a way , and a government how he should be worshipped , and many have suffered , and what hath all come to ? all the rules that men hath laid down , hath they not beene as the untimely fruit of a woman and as corne upon the house top , and for that all hath beene throwne downe , and broken ? and the jealousie of the lord is broken forth as fire , and and woe to them that withstands him in his way : and now i say unto you , if you now prescribe god a way , and if that in the conscience have not liberty , but you wil goe about to set bounds to him , and his people in the worship of god , you shall be broken as a potters vessel , for the government is upon his shoulders , and he wil not give his glory to any other ; the lord hath spoken it . and for the rest of the bookes in the beacon fired , wee disowne them ; but i believe you have belied them , as you have done ours . a certaine book being come forth into the world , ful of lies and slanders against the innocent , called a voice from the word of the lord , to those grand impostors called quakers ; to the author of which book ( who calls himselfe j●hn griffith , a servant of christ ) and to all to whomsoever it may come , i am moved to write something in answer , that his lies and slanders , and false r●proaches may be made manifest , and that he may proceed no further ; for as jannes and jambres withstood moses , so doth he resist the truth , being a man of a corrupt mind , and reprobate concerning faith , and is not a servant of christ , nor a witnesse for his name , but a child of disobedience , in whom the prince of the aire rules . and first to the title of thy book , i answer , the word of the lord is powerful , and wil cut thee down , thou sensual minded man ; yet thou knowest not , but takes the words of others declared from the word vvhich vvas in them , and thou useth thy tongue , and saith the lord saith it ; but i say unto thee , the lord hath not spoken unto thee , neither commanded thee to speak of his name : and i charge it upon thee in the presence of the lord god of life , that thou art of that generation which jeremiah was sent to cry against , jer. 23. 31. for thou speakes thy imaginations upon their words which dwelt in the life of god ▪ but the life thou knowest not , and thy whole book is no more but an empty sound and voice , & is as the untimely fruit of the womb which wil wither and perish away : and one of them i am whom thou calls quakers , to whom thou saist , thou directs thy speech ; but that wee are grand impostors , i do denie , for we are gathered up into the life which the holy men of god lived , and are fallen from the world , and from its wayes and nature : and i charge thee here to be a slanderer , and from the mouth of the lord i do declare unto thee that thou must have a slanderers reward . and vvheras thou saist thou hast discovered their fleshly and filthy mindednesse , together vvith the judgments of god attending them . i answer . fleshly and filthy mindednesse , we have denied by the power of the sonne of god made manifest in us ; thou hast laid it to our charge , but thou hast not proved it nor discovered it , and here againe thou art a false accuser ; fleshly and filthy mindedness shal stand for thy ovvne condition ; for there thou art in the flesh and filth , living to thy vvil in the lust of uncleanesse , for you may remember thou came out of the bowling allie to our meeting , though pharisee like thy out side is painted and made clean , but thy heart is ful of enmity and lies , and slanders and false reproaches , to that in thy conscience i do speake which shal for ever vvitnesse me , and as for the judgments of the lord upon thy own head wil they fal , and with what measure thou metes it shal be measured to thee again ; we are passed from judgment , and from the condemnation , and who art thou , thon enemy of righteousnesse , that shal lay any thing to the charge of gods elect ? and whereas thou saiest thou art one that bears witnesse against those wandring starres . i answer , this shal stand for thy owne condition , a wandring star thou art , and hath no habitation in the heaven , but speaks swelling words of vanity , thou thy self being a servant of corruption , we have an abinding place , and an habitation in the lord , and are not wandring ; and here againe i charge thee to be a false accuser , and a false witnesse , who bears witnesse of thy selfe ; for the father bears no witnesse of thee , but against thee . whereas thou saist the most high god that made the heavens and the earth , hath moved thee and stirred thee up to bear witnesse to the truth , and to witnesse against the abmoinable fleshly mindednesse , and yet spiritual pride of those grand impostors called quakers , by whose sorceries many are bewitched and drawn from the simplicity of the gospell , to another gospel , which is not another gospel , but the vanity of their owne minds , and their owne fleshly and corrupt thoughts which they cry up as oracles of god . i answer ▪ the most high god judge between thee and us ; whose wrath is kindled against thee ▪ thou enemie of righteousnesse , and child of wrath ; thou hast belied the lord of heaven and earth , for to this he moved thee not , for he moves none to utter lies and slanders as thou hast done , but the spirit of enmity and of the divil hath moved thee , and to the truth thou beares no witnesse , but against the truth , and against the innocent ; and charges us with fleshly mindednesse and spirituall pride . o thou lier and false accuser , the lord who takes our part against thee will plead with thee , and render upon thy head according to thy deedes ; prove what thou speaks that we are fleshly minded and spiritually proud , or else let thy mouth be stopped and shame cover thee for ever ; sorceries and witchcraft and drawing from the simplicity of the gospel wee doe deny ; but the plaine single truth wee doe declare , by which the eye of the blind is opened in many to see your deceits who call your selves churches and preachers of the gospel ; which is not the gospel that the apostles preached but an adding your own imaginations upon their words , who witnessed the gospel , and it shal stand for thy own condition , thou art in the sorcery and witchraft ; who draws people to observe an outward visible thing , from the light of christ within them ; which leades to the simplicity of the gospel , which is inward and not outward ; and thou art in thy fleshly and corrupt thoughts , crying up the ordinances and oracles , of god , which are but carnal and beggerly rudiments of the world , which passeth away ; and here thou art seen and made manifest in the light of christ , to be a hypocrite , who false accuses others of that which thou art guilty of thy selfe ; the same gospel as ever was , doe we declare ; and not another , which wee received not from man , neither was taught it by man : and as the oracles of god it shall stand for ever for a witnesse against thee , and all the world who doth not believe , for even the father beares witnesse of us , and therefore our witnesse is true ; and the righteous god will plead with thee thou lyar and false accuser , and here be a witnesse against thy selfe that the lord moved thee not , but the divil , acting in thy owne imaginations , and in the vanity of thy one minde , and in thy one fleshly and corrupt thoughts ; and whereas thou sayest to us thou directs thy speech from the lord , thus saith the lord to thee o quaker , thou art fleshly minded . i answer , it is not the voyce of the lord to us that speaks in thee , but the voyce of the divil , and the serpent which speaks from thee : fleshly minded we are not , but are redeemed out of it , and our mindes are changed and are spiritual and 't is the spirit of the living god seales unto us and witnesses in us , and here thou art of thy father the old dragon , an accuser of the bretheren , but it is god that justifies , and who art thou that condemns ? and this thy speech is seene and comprehended , which thou hast directed to us , and it is judged by the spirit of true judgment to be a false accusation and a lie , and not the word of the lord , and into the lake amongst the false prophets thou art to be turned , who useth thy tongue when the lord never spake to thee ; and thou saiest we looke upon the institution of christs supper with a fleshly and carnal eye , because wee say that the bread and wine which christ commanded his disciples to eate and to drinke , is carnall . i answer . the bread , and wine , is visible and carnal , and fleshly , and not spiritual , nor eternal , and in the eternall light by the spiritual eye of god opened in us , we see them and do owne that it was a command of christ , to stand for its time , and no more , but a carnal figure of a spiritual thing , and the spiritual thing being the substance bearing witnesse , the figure is denyed and declared against , and thou and thy generation who art acting in those things by tradition tying and limiting god to a visible thing ( that without it no salvation ) art in the sorcerie and witchraft , and an enemie to the substance ; for christ never since he was sacrifised brake of the bread or dranke of the cup with his disciples , but new in his fathers kingdome ; and thou who art in the carnal figure acting those things without the injoyment of christ art sensual and by the light of christ is to be condemned and juged , with the world , who art without god and without the injoyment of christ , in the beggerly rudiments of the world , thou saist o fleshly minded men whom the god of this world hath blinded because you believe not : and thou sayst , thus saith the lord and speaks the prophet mal. words : to which i answer ; this again i do deny ; the god of the world is cast out , and the eye is opened through judgment , and our fleshly minds are judged , and in the name of jesus we do believe , and our belief in him hath purified our hearts ; to the praise of the living god , who hath wrought all our works in us , and for us , do i speake without boasting ; and here againe i charge it upon thee , that thou art a slanderer and a false accuser ; and let shame cover thee who professes thy selfe to be a teacher of others , who thy selfe is not taught of the lord ; but steals malachies words , and speaks them to us in thine own imaginations , and calls it the word of the lord ; the lord is against thee thou false prophet , who prophesies lies in his name ; and that which thou speaks to us is thy owne condition , and that which shall come upon thine own head , for a child of disobedience thou art , and thy eye is blinded by the god of this world ; and whereas thou saiest wee are spiritually proud , that give forth our selves to bee some great ones ; and wee say wee are apostles , and are not , but are found liers , proud pharisees , hypocrites , that say wee are just , holy , humble ; and the poor sinful publicans are more justified then wee ; i answer ; proud wee are not , our god shall judge between thee and us in this thing , for wee have nothing but what wee have freely received from him : and that we give forth our selves to be great ones ; here thou art a lier , and a false accuser again ; this we have said , and do yet again declare that we were moved of the lord of heaven and earth to come to declare his mind and his truth in this city ; but this is no boasting , and by that same spirit which was in the apostles , were wee moved , and are guided , and by no other , but who hath found us liers since wee came , i challenge you , and all thy sect to prove one lie that wee have uttered ; or else let shame cover thee , and let thy mouth be stopped ; and let thy owne heart condemne thee to be found the lier thy selfe ; and this we testifie against thee , and all the world , that by jesus , and in him are wee made holy , just , and humble , he is made these things in us , and for us ; and the publican state is witnessed by us who have passed through the figure and parable into the life and substance ; and whereas thou saist wee that boast of our light within , and faith , thus saith the lord and brings christs words . i answer , this is another lie , wee doe not boast of our light within , but vvee vvitnesse it to bee within us , and to have enlightned every one that comes into the vvorld ; vvhich thou and thy generation denies ▪ and so vvould make christ a lier , and the scripture a lie ; but against you all with all the vvorld vve beare testimony , and the father beares vvitnesse with us , that every man that comes into the world is lightned by the light of christ ; which teaches all that love it into righteousnesse , but condemns them that hate it , wherof thou art one who utters forth thy lies and slanders , and false accusations against the innocent ; and that scripture john 9. we owne , and do witnesse to be fulfilled in us by the coming of christ ; hee which did see , is blind , and hee which was blind now sees ; and while wee did see our sin remained , but being blind wee have no sinne ; but this to thee and to thy spirit is a mystery sealed , and never to be known in that nature and wisdome ; and here againe thou hast used thy tongue false prophet like , and must receive a false prophets reward . and whereas thou saist if christ had not spoke to us in his word , we had had no sin , but now wee have no cloak for our sinne . i answer . christs words we owne , but here thou art made manifest to all to be an adder to the scripture ( in his word ) this thou hast added false prophet-like , and therefore the lord will adde his plagues unto thee as the scripture saith ; bee ashamed and blush , thy folly and wickednesse is made manifest , who is not ashamed ( to carry on thy designe ) to adde to christs words . and whereas thou saiest , wee do not only neglect the weightier matters of the law , but the law it selfe , teaching men so to doe ; for wee said that the scripture is not the rule of faith and conversation , as one of us taught sept. 27. in thy hearing , and many others that will witnesse it . i answer , here i challenge thee to prove that thou hast spoken , and all thy witnesses which thou speakes of ; oh thou lier be ashamed to forge such lies , and declare them in writing for truth , we neglect not the weightier matters of the law , nor the law , nor teach any so to do ; all that ever heard us wil bear witnesse against thee , and they ( though our enemies ) shal witnesse for us , and against thee in this thing , for we declare the everlasting gospel , which is the fulfilling of the law , and this we declare , that the law must have its operation through , before the gospel be witnessed ; and one of thy owne society said to us , wee had preached the law , and brought men to understand it from grace ; now let all take notice of the confusion you live in , and let your owne hearts condemne you , and the light in your owne consciences convince you , that you are in babylon and in confusion , and are no true church of christ , where all are of one heart , and one mind ▪ and this againe i affi●me as before i did in thy hearing , that the scripture is not the saints rule , but the spirit which gave forth the scripture , as the scripture it self witnesses , rom. 8. faith was before the scripture was , and therfore the scripture is not the ground of it , but a declaration of it , and no other faith we owne but the faith which abel had , and which moses had , which was when no scripture was written , and that we own to be the rule of our conversation , which they walked by , the immediate spirit of god which was before the scripture was written ; and all you who professe the scripture to be your rule , your own rule shal testifie against you when the eternal god judges you , and they vvho vvitness that to bee their rule which gave forth the scripture , walkes up in the life of the scripture more then you all ; and you are proved to be but the jew outward , who bosts of the ordinances from the letter , but persecutes them by slanders and false reproaches , who witnesse the substance ; and your praise is only of men , and not of god ; and the same woe which thou pronounces upon us wil fall upon thy owne head for this thy grievous slander , that we neglect the law , and teach men so to do ; and whereas thou brings many scriptures , and saith thus saith the lord , i answer , the scriptures we owne , and by that spirit which speaks them forth , wee witnesse them to be true , and they are ours ; and though you say they are the savour of death to us that perish , yet thou art found a lier , for wee are saved out of the perishing state , and death is destroyed through death , and thou hast diminished ( through faith ) from that scripture 2 tim. 3. 15. false prophet like againe , and so art both an adder and a diminisher , and thou maist read thy portion in rev. 22. 18 , 19. and whereas thou saiest , know this thou perverter of the right way of god , thou shalt bee judged by the word of christ spoke . i answer , here thou sets the scripture in the roome of christ , and art the perverter of the right way of god thy selfe , for the scripture saith , all judgement is commited to the sonn , and the scripture is not the sonne ; and thou didst say and now againe writes , that the scripture shall judge the vvorld ; and so i charge it upon thee that thou art a blasphemer , vvho exalts the scripture above the sonne , of god , and shalt be judged by the sonne into utter drrknesse , and into the pit , from vvhence thou art come ; yet this i testifie , he that receives the sonne rejecteth not those vvords vvhich vvas spoken by him ; though thou and thy generation pharisee like may make a profession of the vvords vvhich christ spoke and yet reject the sonne , and all to vvhom christ speaks , vvhich receives him not , shall be judged by the vvord vvhich he speaks , for he speaks eternally which shal stand eternally ; but when did he speake to thee ? for this i doe declare , thou maist have those words which he spoke , and yet never have heard his word nor voice ; as the pharisees had those words , which god spake by the prophets , but never had heard his word , nor seen his shape . john . 5. and thou saist quake and tremble at this ; that word which you reject and dispise shall judge you at the last day ; and saith , thus saith the lord , and brings christs words , and the apostles words ; i answer . the lord rebuke thee thou scorner , here thou hast made the filthynesse of thy heart knowne , for out of the abundance thereof thy mouth speaks : here thou art seen to be a scorner ; quaking and trembling we own , it is that which the holy men of god witnessed , but here be a witnesse against thy self , that thou art a scorner of their conditions : what hast thou to doe to talk of the scrip●ure , who art scorning that which it declares of ? here thou art made manifest to be one that hath the form but denies the power , and scornes at it ▪ god scornes thee , thou scornful one ; and let all that feare the lord depart from thee , and see thy filthinesse and search the scripture whether it testifies not of that , which thou scornes at , and makes a mock upon . and that we reject and despise the scripture and the words which christ spake , which thou accusest us of ; this is another lie , and a false slander , for the scriptures vve ovvne in their place , and by the spirit of god sets to seale that they are true , but that they shall judge the vvorld vvee doe deny ; and herein thy ignorance doth appear , and that thou art blinded by the god of this vorld , which thou vvould cast upon us : and christs vvords , and the vvords of the apostles shall fall upon thy own head , for vengeance in flames of fire will the lord render upon thee , thou lier and slanderer and false accuser , who art in disobedience to the gospel of god . and whereas thou saist the lord hath spoken it , and it shall surely come to passe , and bringst many scriptures , i ansvver . the scriptures vve ovvn and vvhat is spoken in them shall be fulfiled ; but thou lier when did god speake this to thee ? the judgements pronounced in them shall fall upon thy ovvn head , because thou art guilty of the same iniquities , as they vvere of , against vvhom these scriptures vvas declared ; and wheras thou saist we are those that the lord before hath spoken of in his vvord , ( and therefore no marvel vve vvould not have men to reade it ) and cites the 2. of peter . 2. chap. i ansvver . i doe in the presence of the living god deny thee & thy false assertion , but it shal stand for thy owne condition ; thou art one in the generation which christ spake of , and that vvas in the apostles dayes , which hath the forme , but denies the power as they had ; and i charge thee againe with a lie in thy mouth who saith , we would not have men to read the scriptures ; they who have heard us shall witnesse against , thee , that wee do direct to search the scripture , whether our doctrine be not true , and by the scripture shal our doctrine be tried ; how long wilt thou utter thy lies in the name of the lord ? the lord will plead with thee thou unclean lying spirit , and that which thou pronounces against us , shal come upon thy selfe ; and thou saiest we through covetousnesse make merchandize of some ; wee challenge thee and all the city of london to prove this , thou lying serpent , god shall plead with thee , wee are free and cleare in the sight of god , of thy false accusations , and have desired nor sought after no mans mony , nor gold , nor apparel , god is our witnesse , and many in this city knowes the same , though thou slanderingly an enemie of god doth accuse us ; but i challenge thee in thy reply to this , make it appear what thou assertest , or lay thy hand upon thy mouth , and let shame strike thee in the face for ever ; i charge thee that thou canst make appeare plainly in particular , and do not darkly accuse us , what those damnable heresies are , which we bring in , and wherein we deny the lord , and what our pernicious waies are which thou falsly and slanderously accuses us of , and wherein wee are fleshly and despise government , and are presumptuous , and wherein or how wee speake evil of dignities , and wherin we are as natural bruit beasts , and what these things are , wee speake evil of which wee know not , and what our swelling words of vanity are , and whom we do allure through the lusts of the flesh , and through much wantonness . in the presence of the lord i challenge thee to prove the particulars of thy accusations , and not to slander in the darke , though such as these there were in the apostles daies , who were turned out from the light , and the apostles which dwelt in the light saw them , and such a generation there is now , they are seene and known where they are , by them who abides in the light ; but of these thy false slanders ▪ upon us , we are cleare in the presence of the lord god , and that portion which thou wouldest give unto us must thou have thy self , for with what measure thou hast meted , it shal be measured to thee againe ; even the blaknesse of darknesse for ever , and the day of the vengeance of god is at hand against thee . and wheras thou saist , we pretend to tremble , it is true , we pretend the example of moses , and thou saist o abominable hypocrysie and dissimulation , will that justifie your shaking your hands like idiots , and your raving like mad men ? moses was a man in whom the fear and dread of the lord was , who kept his word , but you dispise it ; who loved the law , but you reject it . i answer . we doe not only pretend to tremble , but oft doe we , and have we witnessed it , by the mighty power and dread of the lord upon us , and we walke not by the example of the servants of the lord without us , but the same power we witnesse which was in them by which they were made to tremble ; vvhich thou scornes and derides at , and calles it madnesse : the holy men of god vvere counted by such as thou art , mad men ; and vvere cast out of their assemblies vvhich trembled at the vvord of the lord : but that vve despise the vvord and lavv of god , here thou art a lier againe ; and the plagues of god hang over thy head ▪ for thy lies and slanders against the innocent ; the same seare of god vvhich vvas in moses vve vvitness , and no other , and thou vvho art vvithout it art a heathen , and moses , and jeremiah , and habbakuk , which thou speaks of , were our example , who walked by the same spirit ; and served the lord by the same spirit , but that wee served our fleshly lusts ▪ which here again thou accusest us of ; i do challenge thee to prove it ; but i know thou canst not , and therefore art in the nature of the divel accusing the brethren ; and to walk by tradition , wee deny , which you also would lay to our charge ; but the same spirit by which they were acted , acts us the same way according to its measure ; and the same light which they walked in is our light , and this light is the light of christ within us and not without us : and whereas thou saiest its true , if wee served the lord , and kept his word , it would make us to tremble , as it doth those that fear him , but wee have rejected the law of the lord , and the word which hee hath spoken ; and the lord when he comes to shake terribly the earth , shal give us our portion in the lake that burnes . i answer . let all the world here take notice of thy confusion and ignorance which utters forth it selfe through thee ; thou before was scorning trembling , and now thou art approving of it ; and if it be they that tremble which serve the lord , here be a witnesse against thy selfe , thou serves him not , who art not yet come to tremble , but art in thy high nature above the fear of the lord ; and here againe thou art found a false accuser , for wee reject not the law of the lord , nor the word which hee hath spoken , but live in it , and rejoyces in it daily , for in it is our hearts delight ; and here againe , as thou hast measured to us , it shall be measured unto thee when the lord god arises to recompence his enemies ▪ thy portion will bee the same , as thou hast said in the lake which burnes with fire and brimstone . and now a few words in answer to that which thou calls a caution to all that are called saints in the nation , which may concerne all people . i answer . they who are saints who dwell in the light , and walkes in the light , doth discerne thee to be no saint , neither wil receive any caution from thee , but will testifie against thee , for thy lies and slanders and false accusations which thy booke is filled withall , and herein it may concerne all people that thy lies and slanders be reproved and laid open , lest they receive lies for thy truth , and be deceived by thy subtil speeches , who brings the prophets words , and the apostles words , wresting them and f●lsely applying them , to make thy lies to be received ; but all people who love the light wherewith christ hath enlightened them , will see thee and deny thee , and turne away from thee , as having the forme of godlinesse without the power . and whereas thou saiest ye may rejoyce that you live to see not only the mystery of godlynesse , but also the working of the mystery of iniquity in the fleshly corrupt and sensual minded men , called quakers . i answer . that name quakers was cast upon us by the heathen , through their scorne and derision , as the name christians was upon the disciples , though quaking wee own , for all the holy men of god witnessed it , and the holy scriptures declares of it ; and here againe thou enviously and maliciously hast cast a slander upon us , fleshly , corrupt ▪ and sensual mindednesse , and the working of the mystery of iniquity is destroyed in us by the mighty power of god made manifest in jesus christ , which takes away sin ; to the praise of the living god i speak , in clearing the innocent from thy false slanders , and it shall stand for thy owne condition , fleshly corrupt and sensuall minded , and the working of the mysterie of iniquity . and herein i prove thee to be so by thy fruits , thy lies , and false reproaches , and envious false acusation which is the fruites of the flesh and of corrupt sensuall mindednesse , which fruits doth appeare in this thy writing , and as for the mysterie of godlinesse , it is hidden from thee , and in that mind and nature you shall never know it , for thou lives in the sight of thy owne pollutions , and of thy carnal ordinances , and not in the injoyment of the mysterie of christ , which is godlinesse ; and whereas thou saiest , yee may rejoyce , and in nothing be terrified , because the scriptures did foretel of such , and is fulfilled in these men , and thou brings many scriptures where christ and the apostles prophesied of the coming in of false prophets and teachers : i answer , though yee do now rejoyce , yet your joy shall be turned into howling and sorrow , and the lord hath said it , and the day of terrour will overtake you , wherein your hearts shal faile you for feare , and your foundation shall be removed ; and it is true , that the scripture doth foretell of us , and is witnessed in us , that all the lords children should be taught of the lord , and that the lord would gather his flock out of the mouths of all dum be shepherds ▪ &c. and according to our growth up in the life of the scriptures , they are fulfilled in us ; but false prophets wee do deny , though all those scriptures which thou hast set downe we owne to be prophesies of false prophets , those false prophets which christ prophesied of , came in the apostles dayes , they saw them coming in then , 1. joh. 2. 18. and as all these scriptures testifies which thou hast cited ; and since the apostles daies , hath beene a great apostacie and not a true church of christ could be found , and ever since hath the same generation of false prophets stood under several forms and appearances , deceiving the nations : but now the pure light of christ shines , discovering to them who walke in the light who they are ; and daily more and more clearly shall they be seene , and thou wilt be found in their number , who art a cursed child , in whom the son of perdition is exalted , which utters forth thy lies and slanders sensually , and make it manifest to all , that thou hast not the spirit of god , but art separated from it , in self separation which is abomination unto god , and must be scattered by him : and whereas thou saiest , seeing it is so , let you be filled with boldnesse , and let you contend against those ungodly ones which are now risen ; i answer , ungodlinesse wee deny , and your boldnesse shall the lord turne in weaknesse , and faintnesse , and your contendings against us shall not prosper , for this is our heritage ; every tongue that riseth up in judgement shal be condemned ; you shall all be scattered and driven away as chaffe before the wind , who sets your selves to contend against the truth , for that which is now risen shall confound you all . and whereas thou brings many scriptures , which were exhortations of the apostle to the saints , with exhorting thy brethren . i answer . the scriptures i do owne , and that spirit which spake them forth i witnesse , but thou art an enemie to the power of them , though thou have the forme of truth ; thy lying and false accusing hath made thee appear to be an enemie to the life which the holy men of god lived in , and so hath cleared thy selfe from those scriptures which were written to the saints , and must owne those which was written to the world , the lier must be cast into the lake , the wicked must bee turned in hell , and such as these must thou owne to belong unto thee , and these are thy scriptures which thou hast right unto . and whereas thou saiest , wee talke of high enjoyments , and great revelations without , above , and beyond the scripture , and that wee talke of a light which is besides the scripture , but it is deepe , and thick darknesse ; and what hath such lights led men unto ? even contempt of god and of all righteousnesse . i answer . here again thou art found a lier , and an accuser of the brethren , for what wee do declare , the scripture witnesses to the same , and wee speake of nothing but what is declared of in the scripture by the holy men of god , and neither without it , nor above or beyond it do wee speake . i challenge thee to prove what thou hast asserted , and all the city of london ; that we speak or declares any thing but what the scriptures bears witnesse to the same , and the light which wee declare of , is the light of christ , which the scripture saith lightneth every one that comes into the world ; and it is not besides the scripture , so as contrary to it , but the scripture bears witnesse of the light ; and ●ere i charge thee with blasphemie , who calles the pure light of christ thick darknesse , and that the light of christ ( which is the light which wee declare of ) hath led men , or leads any to contemne god , or his ordinances , or righteousnesse , let shame strike thee in the face thou impudent one , who blasphemously say , that the light of christ is thick darkness , and leads into contempt of god ; let the light in thy owne conscience condemne thee , thou enemie of god ; for thy lies and slanders , and blasphemie which in this thy booke thou hast uttered : and wheras thou exhortest to labour to see an excellency in christ , in the word of christ , and in the church and ordinances of christ . i answer . for the simple ones sake , that they may not be deceived , none ever shall see any excellencie in those things , but who ownes and walkes in the light of christ , which lets every one see themselves first ; and your talking of the same , and report of christ , and of his word and ordinances , is not to know the excellencie of those things , for death in you talkes of the same , but the thing in subst●nce you are ignorant of ; and you who stumbles at the light wherewith christ lightneth every one , are above the doore which is the entrance unto the life of these things ; and so i exhort all to mind the light of christ , and to walk in it , and it will lead unto christ from whence the light comes , and it wil lead to the fulfilling of christs words and to the one bread ▪ and to the one baptisme , and the light is the door and entrance unto the life of those things : but you who hate the light and denies it to be in every one , hath but the huske and outward declaration of those things , and are without the life ▪ and wheras thou saist , they that are of god wil hear john , peter , and paul , and the rest that were the servants of christ , not the fleshly conceits of those or any other men & christs sheep hear his voice , and a strangerthey will not hear . i answer . they that are of god , do owne the writings of all the servants of christ ; but many may professe their words , as the pharisees did the prophets words , and as thou dost ▪ now , and yet not bee of god , but children to the divel ▪ but that our conceits are fleshly , i do deny thee , for all conceits of the flesh wee deny , and beares witnesse against , and it shall stand for thy owne condition , and thy voice is the voice of a stranger , and they that are of god will not follow it : though thou bring the saints words in thy mouth , as the divel did unto christ ; yet in the light of christ thou art seene ▪ and comprehended , and from the light of christ answered , and by it judged to be without the life of those scriptures which thou speaks of , and they are from thee but as an empty sound . and whereas thou cites many more scriptures , which are exhortations of the apostles to the church , and exhorts thy bretheren with them , to vvhich i ansvver as before . the scriptures i doe ovvne , but to thee thou envious man , they doe not belong , for as in this thy vvriting thou art proved a lier , and a scorner , and a slanderer , and a false accuser , and a blasphemer ; out of thy ovvne mouth , be a vvitnesse against thy selfe , and let all thy vvhole assembly beare vvitnesse against thee , that the scriptures vvhich vvere spoken to the saints vvho vvalked in the light and had denyed ungodliness , doth not belong unto thee vvho art an hater of the light and lives in the pollutions of the vvorld ; but the scriptures vvhich vvill surely be fulfilled upon thee , the wicked shal be turned into hel , and the lier shal have his portion in the lake , and he that works abomination is to be troden in the winepresse of the wrath of god without the city , and such like . and now somthing in answer to something in the epistle to the reader ; whereas thou and the rest of you there say , although the light hath appeared , yet there is a generation of men in the world , that doe hate the light , and endeavour to put it out , crying against the scriptures of truth ; it s a dead letter , and against the forme of doctrine therein contained ▪ to which i answer . it is true , the light hath appeared ; christ who is the light , lightneth every one that comes into the world ; which light hath appeared in every mans conscience ; and there is a generation which hates the light , and you are of that generation which say , every man hath not the light , and calls the light of christ thick darknesse , and endeavors to put it out ; and here you have read your owne condition though you make a large profession of the scriptures ( which is not the light , but words declared from the light ) as the jewes did professe the prophets words , but persecuted christ , and spoke against him , who was the light and substance of the prophets ▪ words : and if you know any who cries against the scripture , and against the doctrine therin contained with you , we cry and declare against such , for the scripture we owne in its place to be a true declaration of god , of christ , and of the saints conditions , but they are not the light , but christ is the light , as themselves bear witness , nor are they the saints guide , but he spirit that gave them forth , as they themselves bear testimony , neither was the scriptures given forth to give your own imaginations and suppositions upon , but they themselves are doctrine , and are as they speak , he that hath the same spirit which speaks them forth , reads them and understands them , and none else ; and whereas thou saist lest that simple , plaine meaning men should be kept in babels darkness , or the enlightned fall into the errour of the wicked , for that reason your book came to publick view ; i answer . truly you are deceived , who think to gaine into your form , the simple , plain meaning men by lies , and false slanders and false accusation ; who are simple and plain unto god , wil discern your deceits , and how falsly you have accused the innocent , and wil see you your selves to be in babels darkness , and who walks in the light wherwith they are lightned wil see you to be in the errour of the wicked and out of the truth ; and it is well for the truths sake , that your book came forth , that thereby your filthiness and deceitfulness , and enviousness might be laid open to the simple . and truly i say unto you , you have , and wil miss of your end in putting forth this book of yours ; and whereas you say you shall be willing at any time to vindicate every conclusion therein contained against any that shall oppose . i answer , i challenge you all in this particular to prove those accusations which you have laid to our charge whom you call quakers , in many particulars which before i have demanded ; what they are is before spoken of ; and whereas you say , you account that light within ( not witnessed by the scripture without ) which some so much talke of , to be deep darkness . i answer , if you know any who speake of any light which the scripture doth not witnesse of , we with you freely declares against such , and such a light is darkness , but the light of christ which we speak of , which hath lightned every one that cometh into the world , i hope you are not so impudent , but you wil acknowledge that the scriptures speaks of this light ; and dare not deny , but that the scripture witnesses that christ is the light of the world ; for as i said , we freely give way , and desires that all might search the scripture , whether these things be not so as we declare . and whereas you say , and exhort to let the scripture be the rule of faith and practice . i answ . here you would alwaies keep people in darkeness , under your teaching , and would make void the new covenant which is the law written in the heart , and the spirit of the lord put in the inward parts , to be the rule and guide of the saints , for who walkes by the rule without them , and teaches men so to do , would make void the covenant of life and peace , where the teacher is not removed into a corner , which teacher all that have faith and an holy conversation do witnesse , which teaches not contrary to what the scripture speaks , but is a teaching fulfilling of the scripture , and an establishing of it , though thou and many may professe the teaching of the scripture and may in your own wills , conform unto it in the outward appearance , as the pharisees did , and yet be but hypocrites and deceived as they were ; and i say againe , that faith was before the scripture was written , which faith is declared of in the scripture , which faith comes as is manifested by hearing of the word preached , which word is even in the mouth and in the heart ; if you have an ear you may hear ; & now i advise you all in the name of the lord to cease striving and contending against the truth , for verily the stone which is cut out of the mountain without hands , will dash your image of many mixtures to peices , and it falling upon you , wil grinde you to powder , and your conforming the outward man , to an outward thing and teaching men so to doe , and limiting and tying the holy one to a visible thing , wil not cover you in the day of the lord : nay verily , though concerning the scripture without , you may walk blamelesse , yet one thing will be found lacking even the crosse of jesus christ , by which all sin is crucified in them who walks in it ; and i say unto you , that your covering is too narrow , and it will not hide your secret parts : for in the eternall light of christ you are seen and comprehended , your beginning , your time , and your end , for though you have the scriptures , and jewish like , walkes up in the outward appearance of them , crying the ordinances and churches are ye , yet your praise is of men , and not of god , for you are enemies to the life of the scriptures as is made appear by your many lies and slanders against us , which you have uttered ; and i say returen your minds every one within to that in your own consciences which reproves you in secret for your secret iniquities , it wil let you see where your hearts are , and how far they are mortified to the world , and the love of it , and this light wherewith every one of you is lightned is the light of christ , and it is the lords true witnesse and shall witnesse for him eternally against all whose deeds are evil , who walk in disobedience of it , and all who love it and walk in it , it leads unto christ , and into all purity and holinesse and uprightness of heart towards god and man ; and this light leads unto justification , all them who are taught by it ; and here is your teacher , loving it ; and your condemnation eternally , continuing to hate it . and thus i have answered your booke , and the truth is witnessed , and many false lies and false accusations denied and testified against , and thus i rest , waiting for an answer to clear your self ( if you be able ) of those things which i have denied from you , which you have charged upon us , for god is my witnesse , this i do desire , that truth may be made manifest and imbraced , and deceit and errour discovered and denied . to charles fleetvvood, steward, robert hatton, recorder, sackford gunstone, henry wilcock, baliffs being judges in the court of kingstone upon thames : the state of the old controversie ... between richard mayo, plaintiffe, and edward burrough, defendant / by edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30548 of text r12828 in the english short title catalog (wing b6035). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 35 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 9 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30548 wing b6035 estc r12828 12033498 ocm 12033498 52813 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30548) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 52813) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 861:24) to charles fleetvvood, steward, robert hatton, recorder, sackford gunstone, henry wilcock, baliffs being judges in the court of kingstone upon thames : the state of the old controversie ... between richard mayo, plaintiffe, and edward burrough, defendant / by edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 15, [1] p. printed for thomas simmons ..., london : 1659. reproduction of original in huntington library. eng burrough, edward, 1634-1662. mayo, richard, 1631?-1695. a30548 r12828 (wing b6035). civilwar no to charles fleetvvood, steward, robert hatton, recorder: sackford gunstone, henry vvilcock, bailiffs. being judges in the court of kingstone burrough, edward 1659 7334 2 0 0 0 0 0 3 b the rate of 3 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the b category of texts with fewer than 10 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-03 mona logarbo sampled and proofread 2004-03 mona logarbo text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion to charles fleetvvood , steward , robert hatton , recorder : bailiffs . sackford gunstone , henry vvilcock , being judges in the court of kingstone upon thames . the state of the old controversie once more laid before you , depending in your court , between richard mayo , plaintiffe , and edward burrough , defendant . by edward burrough . london , printed for thomas simmons , at the bull and mouth near aldersgate , 1659. friends , the innocency and truth of my cause , doth lift up its head unto all people , and stands justified in the sight of god and all just men , and in justice and righteousnes it cannot be condemned , or judged guilty by any man ; and it is upon me yet once more to state it before you , that you and all men may see the countenance and favour thereof , ( for it dare shew its face unto you , and all people ) though much already hath been written and spoken about it , which you have not taken notice of ( as you ought to have done ) but yet many are informed in the truth of the matter , & what hath been spoken is not in vain , though my just cause lies alwayes at the stake , and is hardly thought upon by you , and vilified and evil spoken of before you by my adversary , who alwayes seeks false judgement against me , to justifie himself in his iniquity , and to condemn the guiltlesse ; for the lord knows , and just men knows , and the witnesse of god in your consciences may shew you that i have not wronged richard mayo , nor spoken of him any thing saving the truth , and because thereof , and without any other cause , am i thus prosecuted by him in his pleading before you , and begging of you for false judgement , which if he should obtain it , and you should give it , yet should i be clean in the sight of the lord , though by you i may deeply suffer ; and your own unrighteous judgement if it proceed from you ) will return one day upon your own heads , and the weight of your own iniquity shall the lord lay upon your own consciences , in the day when he judges the secrets of all hearts ; and to god i have appealed in this thing , who justifies me because of truth , and then who shall justly condemn me , while truth is on my side , and i not convinced to the contrary . therefore in the fear of the lord god , i say unto you , take heed what you do in this matter ; but deal impartially in the sight of the lord , in the examination thereof , and try , whether i have spoken the truth , or whether i have spoken falsly ; and hearken to my plea , which i have often asserted before you , and do yet once more lay before your view , and i do appeal to the light of your consciences , and let that justifie me , or condemn me ; and this i testifie as my sufficient plea : unto you , ( which no man hath truly answered before you , ) that i have spoke nothing but the truth of richard mayo my adversary ; to this i stand to be justified , and if i be condemned , it is for this , this resteth with me for ever , and if i fall , i fall for it , ( viz ) for speaking the truth , and if i stand , i stand by it , and no man whatsoever can convince me to the contrary ; and hereof am i invincible , and if you condemn me for this ( to wit ) for speaking the truth , it will be upon you , and i am clear , and this is my onely plea , which i have often , and may by the spirit of the lord alwayes clearly demonstrate , and i do indeed wave all the multitude of arguments that hath been , or can be made , by the lawyers in this businesse , and not by words of mans wisdom , but by truth must i be justified ; and i do here again return to my first manner of proceeding , and stand to the naked simplicity of truth , and i have no other defence to shelter under , neither do i chuse any , nor no other weapon to resist my enemy with , but the word of the lord which is truth ; and if truth will not justifie me , i will not be justified , and if it will condemn me , my mouth shall be stopped ; for by the truth i stand , and if i fall , i fall for it , in this matter ; and therefore you my judges patiently hear a few words again , as to the beginning of the matter betwixt richard mayo , and me , which is thus , he sent for me by a messenger to come to him , and being come to him , he challenged me to speak what i had against him , & again under his own hand he challenged me to dispute , either in publick or private with him ; and he again bad me call him deceiver if i durst , and upon all these four particular invitations and challenges , and also knowing him to be guilty , as i am still able to prove ; i did say to him that he held forth damnable doctrine , and errour , and that he was a deceiver , and this was the beginning of the controversy ; whereby i would have you to take notice , how unrighteously he hath dealt with me , first to invite me , and challenge me several times ; and then for speaking the truth of him ( which i am able prove ) to arrest me , imprison me , and thus to prosecute me , is not this unchristian like , & not like a minister of christ ? and this i proved in your court , his challenging of me , and also i have manifested divers particular sayings of his , which doth appear to all sober men to be damnable doctrine , and error ; and for the manifesting of my innocent cause further , and that you may know , that you ought not to condemn me , ( neither can you with a safe and good conscience in the sight of god ) and to lay the truth as plainly as i can before you ; therefore i do here insert the particulars to you again , which i proved in the open court against richard mayo , which i do say is damnable doctrine , and error , all , or some of them at least . 1. that paul , as a minister of christ exhorted saints ( the corinthians ) to follow and obey a light which was not christ , nor the light of the gospel . 2. he did exhort the people of kingstone , as a minister of christ in his preaching to them , to follow and obey a light , which ( said he ) is not christ , nor the light of the gospel . 3. he said that a man may be a righteous man , and not a godly man without distinction . 4. also at another time before that , rich. mayo affirmed that the light of christ which every man is lightened withall , iohn 1 9. is carnal , and darkness . 5. he did affirm under his own hand , that christ was not the word that david walked by . 6. he affirmed that the devil is the power of god . 7. he affirmed that the gospel is not the power of god , no more then a rose cake is , which he laid his hand on in the window , at the present of his so saying . 8. he affirmed , if one man murther another , he did it by the power of god . now hereby it may appear to you , ( if you do not wilfully harden your selves against the truth , and the righteousnesse of my cause ) that i have done richard mayo no wrong , onely i have spoken the truth of him ; i said he held forth damnable doctrine , and error which saying , is truth , and i had a good cause to speak it , for he invited , and challenged me divers times to speak it , and then when this is considered by you , let your consciences judge what wrong i have done him ; seeing it doth appear i have spoken the truth of him , and had good reason so to do ; yee my judges , at whose door my cause ( which is innocent ) lyes despised , and ready to be condemned , come but to plainnesse and honesty in your own hearts , and be not passionate towards me , but use meeknesse , and let the sincerity of your hearts tell me , whether i have lyed or spoken truth ; but if you do the worst that can be done against me , i must , and have already committed my cause to god , and i doubt not but he will avenge my cause , and recompence my adversaries in his season . now again consider , if richard mayo did make his invitations to me , on purpose to ensnare me , ( as it may be justly supposed that he did ) that he might have occasion to execute his malice upon me , then you ought not to give judgement against me , and to be his executiners ; for if he hath laid his plot to ensnare me , how can you justly give him power over me ? and he hath no power over me except you give it him by unjust judgement ; and you can but give him power over my body , for my spirit is at liberty , and in dominion over you and him , because i have the truth on my side , and it is hard for you to strive against that , for it cannot be buried , but the truth of my cause will alwayes live to vex its opposers ; but and if his challenges to me was not to insnare me , but for information ( supposing himself to have been clear from all damnable doctrine and error ) then he had done well to have owned my words as a reproof , and to have repented , and not , to have held forth any more such doctrine ; and you ought not for reproving him , to condemn me , for reproving any man for evil ought not to be condemned ; good men will not do it , neither would he ( were he ) not an ungodly man prosecute me thus violently , & thus continually beg your judgement of 100 l. against me , for reproving of him , & declaring against his false doctrine , wch he delivers to the people , when as himself first invited me to speak to him ; and the lord knows the souls of people are so dear to me , that where i hear false doctrine held forth , which would destroy the innocent soules , i cannot but reprove it , least people receive false doctrine for true , to the destruction of their own souls , and upon that account i spoke in this cause ; wherefore take you into consideration what richard mayo's end was in inviting me , & do not you fulfil his evil purpose , wch i believe , if he had power over me , would execute his farthest cruelty upon me ; i have good reason to believe it , for many cruel threatuing words have proceeded from him already agianst me , but the lord can deliver me from them all , but if he will not , he will give me patience to bear it , whatsoever is suffered to come to me ; but , and if any shall doubt , and cannot receive these things , and believe that these particulars are damnable doctrine and errour , as they are laid down in themselves , and if what is spoken already be not sufficient , i may upon any just opportunity prove unto you , and all men , in the sight of my enemies that these particulars held forth by richard mayo , and alleadged by me before you , are damnable doctrine and errour , and if i could be convinced to the contrary by him , or any man , in sober arguments , according to the scriptures ; and if he shall be able to prove that these things are true , and sound , and saving doctrines , then may i confess that i have wronged him , which never can be done ; therefore can i never confess ( without lying against my conscience , ) that i have wronged him ; but god justifies me , and just men , and my own conscience excuses me from all wrong in this matter ; and here , or hereafter shall you and he know it also , that i am without offence to him in this cause ; and if i suffer , i suffer , be it upon you that are my judges , and the guilt of my sufferings will be upon you one day ; for , for the truths sake am i not afraid nor ashamed to suffer whatsoever you lay upon me . and whereas it is chiefly pleaded by my adversary and his councel , that he is damnified , and much dangered by the speaking of my words , and because i said he held forth damnable doctrine , therefore say they , he is in danger to loose his place , and so he and his wife , and family cannot tell how to live &c. these things they plead , and upon this account begs judgement against me , because he is , or may be in danger to be damnified . to this i reply , and friends i would have you to consider , he hath not yet proved to you the dammage of the value of two pence , nor is he in any outward estate worse , by loss of any thing outwardly , by any thing that i have spoken ; and it is unjust to condemn me in an 100 l. upon supposed danger , and dammage , which may come , while as he hath sustained none at present ; and further i say unto you , i have had no intentions of evil against him , nor purpose in my heart to endanger or damnifie him in any outward thing , god is my witness ; but that nakedly , and simply i spoke the truth of him . and if speaking the truth to him doth endanger him , and damnifie him , according as they plead , then is he a bad man , and an evil person , and not well worthy of you taking part with him , if you be just men , ( as yet i know nothing to the contrary ) nor worthy of giving your judgement against me for him ; if the speaking truth to him can so endanger him , then consider you what a man he is ; for speaking of the truth can never hurt an honest man , nor damnifie a good man , for honest men rejoiceth in the truth , and the speaking of it is an honour to them ; but speaking the truth may indeed endanger and damnifie a bad person , as to discover his wickedness , and to prevent him of more wickedness , which he may intend , but speaking the truth cannot damnifie a a good man ; and if it be so that richard mayo ( because of his badness ) be damnified by my speaking the truth to him ; must i therefore be condemned for speaking truth , or ought you to do it ? let that of god in you answer ; will you justifie his false doctrines , and condemn me for reproving him ? did ever any good men , or just judges of old condemn any man for speaking the truth ? or will you shame your selves , in the sight of wise men , by acting contrary to a good conscience ? which if ye do condemn me for speaking the truth , i do , and must tell you ( while i live ) that your judgement is unjust , and you act contrary to a good conscience , and are unrighteous judges , and that you commit the great abomination , in justifying the wicked and condemning the righteous ; and is it not a shame to him that professeth to be a minister of christ , to plead the loss of his livelihood and of his calling , and the poverty of his wife and family , &c. because of my speaking the truth to him ? never any of christs ministers pleaded any such thing ; were not they reproached and much spoken against ? and they were called deceivers , and seditious men , and such like ; and did they proceed on this manner , as he hath done against me ? nay , they forgave their enemies . and if i had spoken falsly of him : ( as i have not ) he ought not to have done thus , if he had been a minister of christ , as he professeth ; and doth his livelihood , and his place , and his maintenance of himself and his family depend upon my forbearing to speak the truth ? for he pleads that he is damnified , and endangered in all these , by what i have spoken ; and i still testifie and all good men , knows , that i have given no offence , saving then speaking the truth ; and rather then he shall be damnified by my speaking the truth of him , will you unjustly damnifie me for speaking the truth ? is this the way of justice to condemn the truth that i have spoken , to save the guilty from supposed danger ? consider of this , and save your selves from unjust judgement , least the lord justly judge you , and condemn you ; this i shew in short , and much more i might , as to the unjustness of the action prosecuted against me ; and now i come to shew something of the unjust proceedings in this matter against me in the time of my tryal , and other times , and some part thereof i here lay before you , that you , and all may see i have had as unjust proceedings against me in the matter , as an unjust action at first brought upon me . at my first appearance in my first answer , i demurred to the jurisdiction of your court , and shewes that your court and judicatory being temporal , you could not ( in that courtt ) ake cognizance of this cause , being of a spiritual dependancy , and ought onely to be tried in spiritual jurisdiction by spiritual judges ( if there were any such ) and shewed out of the laws of england reasonably that your court had no power to try this matter ; but one of the bayliffs , iohn forth said ( which should have been my equal judge ) they would over-rule that , and they would try the matter , without shewing any just reason out of the laws , against my argument grounded upon the laws , and they did over-rule me in that ; and the court-day before the tryal , when the jury-men was to be chosen and nominated , i told them that the jury-men should be such as had the gif of the holy spirit , and the holy ghost in them , or else they could not try the matter , because it was doctrine that was to be tryed ▪ which none could try , but by the spirit of god ; neither could i cast my self into the determination of any in this cause but such ; and the bayliffs obadia wicks , and iohn forth answered , if they were men that could take the evidence that i spoke my words against richard mayo , they were sufficient to try the matter ; whereby it doth appear that they had unjustly determined in themselves , not to try the doctrines , but to have a verdict against me howsoever ; again some that were called to be of the jury were heard to say , before they saw me , or ever heard the matter ; if i came into their hands they knew well enough what to do with me ; hereby it doth appear they were not equal men , but malicious and prejudiced against me ; and moreover in the very time of the tryal , some of the jury , at the bar , said , they would not believe any thing , or take any witnesse for testimony , which any of those on my part , that were called quakers , spoke ; and this was also the witness of their malicious , and envious spirits against me , who were rather as a party against me , then my equalls ; and were not these unjust men for the tryal of such a matter ? and moreover when all his witnesses could not say enough to give colour for a verdict against me , one of the bayliffs , iohn forth by name , who was one of the judges upon the bench , proffered to come down off the bench , and swear as a witnesse against me ; and when some spake against that , he sent for a man into the court out of the town , iames levite by name , and whispered with him upon the bench , & told him what he should swear , and he went to the bar and took his oath against me , that i followed richard mayo with reviling language , in three several roomes , in bayliff gunstones house , which i do testifie , was a false oath , before the lord , and all men ; and many knowes that i speak the truth , & that that man took a false oath , who was sent for into the court , & told by one of the judges what he should swear ; i suppose bayliff gunston himself knowes that this was a false witness , & are not these unjust proceedings ? i appeal to your consciences , and upon such proceedings as these , was a verdict gained against me , by much a do , in above three hours time ; and the foreman of the jury himself said , he would not have brought a verdict against me , but onely for the mans oath , iames levite , which as i have said , swore falsly , being sent for , and told by another man what he should say ; again , when the foreman of the iury said , they could not try the cause , and desired it might be referred , the said bayliff forth on the bench cryed no , and told richard mayo he should not referr it , he should have a verdict first , and ought my judge thus to have spoken ? no , he appeared to be rather a party against me , then my equal judge ; and to all sober men , these proceedings may appear to be unjust ; and i hope some of you will make more conscience of your doings , then to passe judgement upon such an unrighteous verdict and moreover , the jury did not try the cause , which onely ought to have been tryed , which was , whether i had spoken truly , or falsly of richard mayo , that is to say , they ought to have tryed , ( and that was the thing in controversy between us ) whether these particulars alleadged by me against richard mayo were true , and sound doctrine or damnable doctrine and errors , for if the particulars mentioned be true , and sound doctrine , wch were affirmed by richard mayo , then i have wronged him , and i must confess it , and assent to your judgement ; but if the particulars be false doctrine , and errour , then i have done him no wrong , for i have spoken nothing but the truth ; and for that , how can you condemn me ? and this was the cause to be tryed , which the jury themselves confessed they did not try , and therefore the matter is not yet tryed in truth , neither have i had a legal tryal before you , and then how can you give judgement against me , being the action it self , is so unequal , and the procedings so unjust also , and the matter yet not fully tryed ? do but consider of these things in the coolnesse of your spirits , and let not me receive worse dealing from you , because i am a stranger , neither because i am a quaker so called ; but deal justly , and truly , for i desire nothing else of you , but true judgement , for that will justifie me , and clear me , and respect not persons , but have respect to the law of god , which commandeth you to hear , and judge the cause of the poor , and of the stranger , without respect of persons , and if you give regard to the law of god in this matter , you cannot give judgement upon this verdict , which is thus unjustly brought in , by unrighteous and partial men , as is manifest , and you must either wholly arrest iudgement , or at least you must bring it to a new tryal , else you do me much wrong and injustice , and all good men will so judge of it ; and further , divers sufficient reasons hath been shewed by men of knowledge in the law , first against this action , and also against the proceedings herein , which might be reasons to you not to go on in judgement against me , but to clear me ; and even in your own way , ( as i may say ) you have been dealt with , and you have been shewed my innocency ; so that if your hearts be not hardened , you cannot go any further against me , but go contrary to the truth of my cause , and contrary to your own law also ; and though it was the dear love , and respect of friends to the truth , in freeness of their love to me , more then any desire of mine , or my knowledge ; i do own their love , and justifie it , yet much that hath been spoken in forms and tricks of law , and punctillio's of law i do wave , and lets it passe , and keeps alwayes to the naked truth of the matter , as before laid down ; and therefore if any jury shall upon their oaths justifie , richard mayo his doctrines to be true and sound doctrine ; and if you your selves , upon your oathes dare give iudgement , that richard mayo his doctrine , is not damnable doctrine , and errors ; then i must lye patiently under your judgement , and under the breach of such jury-mens oathes , and of your own oaths also ; and therefore i demand of you according to right and justice let me be cleared , otherwise let me first have a fair tryal before i be condemned , which yet i have not had , because the matter was perverted from that , whether i had spoken the truth , upon which the true issue dependeth , and upon no other thing . whether i spoke maliciously , was a straining of the cause to a wrong head , and perverting it from its proper issue , and hereby was the just cause of the innocent clouded over , and rejected , and vilified , and even betrayed into another meaning , more then it ought to have been ; but it can shew its face above all this , and truth cannot be daunted though it may be veiled and lie hid for a season , and though i be condemned by the prejudice and unsaithful jury speaking maliciously , yet the lord bears me witnesse to the contrary , and that i have no malice in me against any man , and i love your souls better , then that you should endanger them to destruction , and to everlasting burning , by giving iudgement upon your oaths against me upon this verdict , in this cause which is thus unjust and unequal in it self , and in its proceedings also ; for if the jury had tryed , whether i had spoke the truth , or whether i belyed richard mayo then it would easily have been known whether i spoke malioiously ; for if i belyed him , and if his doctrine be true , and sound , and not error , then may it be easily judged that i spoke maliciously , because i spoke not the truth , but if his doctrines alleadged by me , be not true , and sound doctrine , but damnable doctrine and error , then i have not belyed him but spoken the truth in love , and not maliciously , for truth and malice goes not together ; and till this be tryed , to wit , whether i have spoken truly or falsly , who shall be able upon their oathes ( without forswearing themseves ) to give it upon their oathes that i spoke maliciously ? nay , how shall any men lawfully swear , that one speaks maliciously ? it is a hard cause to swear that any man speaks in malice , for who enters into the heart of another man , to know the thoughts , save god , and his spirit . and this i may say at least , and safely too , that , that jury , which gave into the court upon their oaths , that i spoke my words maliciously against richard mayo , have greatly endangered the forswearing themselves , and the breach of their own oaths , and some of them knows before this day that they did transgress therein against god , whom god suddenly after cut off with judgment , and took off the earth by death ; and though they , that are yet living may be insensible of their own wickedness , yet let all good men fear to dye out of this body with that burden upon their consciences , as some have , and others of them may have , in this particular , for breach of oaths ; and though they have given it to you upon their oaths , that i spoke maliciously , yet wo will be unto you , if you shall upon your oaths justifie , they have done well , and condemn me falsly upon their false verdict , and if you do condemn me , it is upon their false verdict , because i spoke maliciously against richard mayo : and you cannot do that , but you forswear your selves , and acts contrary to your trust , who are set in place to judge justly by what doth appear to your view ; and cannot nor dare not , i know , upon your oaths , say , that i have spoken falsly and maliciously against richard mayo ; but and if you do , one day you will feel that you have spoken against your own oaths , and consciences , and against god , and against your own souls . and this is all that i can lay before you , as to this particular , to warn you , that you do judge justly , and that you condemn not the innocent & just cause of the upright , but that you may save your selves from the anger of the lord , who will be avenged upon all false swearers and unrighteous judges , that judges not in righteousness the cause of the poor , and of the stranger ; and the cause yet remains before you , to shew your selves just or unjust , righteous or unrighteous judges in this matter . and whereas richard mayo , and some of your selves spake to me , to confess i have wronged him , and would have me to acknowledge that i am in a fault , and that i have spoken wrong of him ; yea , it was said to me , if i had not wronged him , could i not confess that i had , to preserve my self ? &c. to this i must answer ; nay , i cannot confess contrary to a good conscience , and contrary to truth , that i have wronged him ; if my life stood upon it , as it is but my liberty at most , for god hath given me to make conscience of my words , and to keep it void of offence towards him and all men , and to confess that which is false , to be true , would stain a good conscience , in the sight of god and his people , and that i may not do , no not for my own preservation , and the lord deliver me from the judgement of such who would have me confess that which i am not guilty of , for that is all one to say i am clear , when i am guilty , as to say i am guilty , when i am clear ; and i rather chuse to suffer what can be imposed upon me , then to transgress the truth , in my own heart , and if i should say , his doctrine were sound and true doctrine , and not damnable and errour , i do believe the witness in your own consciences would rise against me , and many more would say , i then spoke falsly , then doth now ; for i hardly ever heard any , no not your own selves say , that his doctrines alleadged by me against him , are sound and true doctrine , neither can you in good conscience say it ; so i say , i cannot lye against my conscience , what ever comes of it , for to walk with the lord , and to have his peace , and not to loose his presence , is of more worth to my soul that is immortal , then all the sufferings that you can lay upon me , can be dammage to my mortal body ; for my life and soul you cannot touch , but therein am i free , though outwardly entangled amongst bryars and thorns , which would pierce me and seek to catch me , and if there be no other way for me to be preserved , but by confessing contrary to my conscience , that i have wronged richard mayo , i freely give up my self to suffering , rather then to be preserved by such means , and you do evil in putting such a thing upon me , and expecting it from me , which i cannot give , but transgress the law of god , and offend him , and my own conscience , and if you defer the determination of the matter , upon such hopes , that i may confess that i have wronged richard mayo , i desire , you would not defer it one moment longer , but let me be quitted of your temptation , for it is your temptation and not true love ; for i cannot confess any such thing , though thus i do acknowledge , it hath now depended in your court , and at your door , near two years , and i should be glad that it were ended justly , because i am not a man given to suits in law , neither do i love it ( though it be so that i am fallen into it ) to offend any man , or be offended in that way by any , yet may i not use any unlawful means , or indirect way to obtain an end of this business , but the rather i am content with what the lord suffereth to come to pass , though it be the very greatest malice of my very devouring enemies , and because i would have peace with all men , and have all men reconciled to god , and one to another to live in love and unity one with another , upon that account i would this business were ended , and though i do not doubt my cause , nor am faint of it , but can freely receive the determination thereof in the court , be it for me or against me , yet i would have it ended , and have sought it in justice , and once did to my adversary say , i could refer it to any sober men ; and another friend being with me , oliver then protector , or charles fleetwood or col. pride , all these was mentioned , and to any of these , i could freely have referred my cause , and though before he seemed willing , and said that if any sober man in the nation , that was no quaker , would say that his doctrine was not sound , and that he had not wrong , &c. but when these men were mentioned , he was unfaithful to his word , and would not refer it . and also not long ago , a day and time was appointed by his own advice and consent , by a friend of his own , to bring the cause before alderman tichburn , to which i was willing , and that he with some other man might here and determine the matter , and at the time appointed we met at the aldermans house , and the alderman with some more of us waited for mayos coming , till near the 9th hour in the evening , and he never came , so ungrateful and unjust was he to his own friend , to alderman tichburn , and to me , that we waited all for him some hours , and he came not at all , though his own friend , by his own consent and desire did bring that appointment about ; and thus i would have you to know , that i seek peace with all men , and with him , upon just and equal means , & can refer it to honest men to hear and determine ; for who are truly just towards god , cannot condemn me nor my cause ; and likewise ye may see how unwilling my adversary is to bring his business to hearing and determining by wise and descreet men , and how unfaithful he is to his own words and desires , only he thinks he hath gotten a verdict that will do something for him , & upon that he depends , waiting also for your unjust judgement , and because he hopes alwaies for your judgement , which i say is unjust , if you condemn me in this matter ; therefore he will not bring his cause to be heard and determined by any other , because he supposes you will proceed according to that unjust verdict , which if you doe not , you offend him , and loseth his unjust cause ; and if you do , you offend god , and condemneth the guiltless cause of the just , and whatever ye do , this follows upon ye , and if you offend god and despiseth the cause of the inocent , and the truth , ye must bear your own burthen , in the sight of god and just men ; and if his cause were good , he need not thus shrink and faulter , to let any man hear the matter , but his hope of your unjust judgement nourisheth his heart in his unrighteous cause . and these things were in me to lay before you , that it may not be said by you , we know not these things , for i would have you to know them and take notice of them , and to compare all things in equality , & to judge according to the law of god , and the good law of this land ; i am not careful at present to answer or say more to you about this matter , onely this remains with me ; the lord god can deliver me from the teeth of the wicked if he will , but if he will not , i cannot bow to the devil , but hath given up my life , to live to him , or to suffer for him ; and this testimony remains for ever ; not as i will , but as he will , who brings all things to pass , according to his pleasure ; i am a lover of your souls , and a sufferer for the elect seeds sake , and a witness against the malice and injustice of evil men , edward burrough . the end . the cause why this is first printed , before it come to your hands , is , because i would not give cause of suspi●●●● that i seek any thing in secret or under-hand of you . but would have all things come to light and publick view , for i love the light , and the truth ; to be justified thereby , or to suffer for the testimony thereof . the true christian religion again discovered after the long and dark night of apostacy, which hath overshadowed the whole world for many ages ... by a friend to all people, especially them that feares god, and loves righteousness. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30554 of text r213868 in the english short title catalog (wing b6044). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 56 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 13 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30554 wing b6044 estc r213868 12739788 ocm 12739788 93097 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30554) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 93097) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 376:14) the true christian religion again discovered after the long and dark night of apostacy, which hath overshadowed the whole world for many ages ... by a friend to all people, especially them that feares god, and loves righteousness. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 24 p. printed for thomas simmons ..., london : 1658. written by edward burrough. cf. halkett & laing (2nd ed.). end of text dated: the tenth month, 1657. reproduction of original in friends' library, london. marginal notes. eng church of england -doctrines. protestantism -early works to 1800. a30554 r213868 (wing b6044). civilwar no the true christian religion again discovered after the long and dark night of apostacy, which hath overshadowed the whole world for many age burrough, edward 1658 11114 21 0 0 0 0 0 19 c the rate of 19 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the c category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 spi global keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-07 judith siefring sampled and proofread 2004-07 judith siefring text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-10 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion the true christian religion again discovered after the long and dark night of apostacy , which hath overshadowed the whole world for many ages ; and the profession and practise thereof witnessed unto by the scriptures . and here all may see who it is of all these sects and divers forms of religion in these nations , that are agreeable to the scriptures in what they professe and practise , and who it is that are not according thereunto ; for the line of true judgement is stretched upon all profession , and a true search into , and tryal thereof is made , and hereby it is manifest who it is , and what sort of people , that may justly claim the benefit of the protectors oath , to be protected thereby in their practises of religion , who hath bound himself to maintain and uphold that christian religion which is according to the scriptures , &c. this is written for the good of this commonwealth , and the information of all people in it . by a friend to all people , especially them that feares god , and loves righteousness . london , printed for thomas simmons , at the bull and mouth near aldersgate , 1658. the true christian religion again discovered , &c. forasmuch as oliver cromwell , called lord protector of england , scotland , and ireland , ( chief ruler according to man ) hath bound himself by an oath , and sworn that he will uphold and maintain the true reformed protestan● christian religion in the purity thereof , as it is contained in the old and new testament of the scriptures ; which oath he is bound to perform before the lord and unto all men . now it remains to be tried and proved what the christian religion is , and who it is in these nations that are of the true reformed protestant christian religion , in the purity thereof , as it is contained in the scriptures , seeing there are abundance of sects and diversities of judgements , and many assemblies and gatherings of people who are divers in their wayes , in their practices , and in their form of religion in these nations , which doth all profess the scriptures , and that their form of religion is accorco the scriptures ; but this cannot be , but it will be manifest otherwise ; for the scriptures which were given forth by the one spirit of god , bears not witness of many true ways , or unto many true religions , but unto one truth , and unto one true religion , and is the declaration of one way of life , and salvation by one jesus christ , and there is no other name under heaven given for salvation ; and they that believe in him , and receive him , they it is onely that are of the true religion , who are guided by his spirit , and changed thereby from death to life , and such hath unity with the father , and with the son , and one with another , and are not of this world , but heirs of the kindom of god , and these may own and claim a title to be defended and preserved in their exercise and practice of religion . therefore come all sorts of people , and let us try and prove who it is that is of the true religion , and who it is that he is bound to maintain and uphold by his oath : come i say , all sects and sorts of people , and appear to trial ; dare you join issue with me in this matter , to try your profession and practise of religion , whether it be according to the scriptures in the purity thereof yea or nay ; for the lord hath put it into my heart to lay you all to the line of true judgement , and to prove you whether you must be upholden and maintained in your religion , yea or nay : come claim your priviledge ; if your profession and practice in religion be according to the scriptures , then you may own your right , and the benefit of the protectors oath ; but if your profession and practice in religion be otherwise , and not according to the scriptures , then you must stand back , and defend your selves if you can , for the protector is not bound to maintain and uphold you in your practice of religion : and with this argument i shall try you all , whatsoever is professed and practised for religion , for which there is neither command nor president in scripture , is not according to the scripture ; let this fall where it may , this is truth ; and therefore all people come to trial , and receive your judgement by this rule· and first , the true religion is a walking with god in purity and holiness , a performing of good to him , and not doing any evil ; a belief in christ , and receiving of him , and a living in him , and through the operation of his spirit , to be changed into his image , and the body of sin and death put off , and a living to god in all things , and not a living to this vain world in any thing , but in all things to be guided by the spirit of christ : this in short is a description of the true religion , and they that are of this religion shall be saved in the day of the lord , and in equity and righteousness should be protected according to the oath before-mentioned , or else the oath is not performed in justice , but rather broken through transgression ; and first of all , as concerning that profession & practice in religion , which is most general in these nations i mean such as sprinkle infants , and are sprinkled being infants , professing it to be the baptism into the faith of christ , and that it is a seal of the new covenant , and of remission of sins , and that thereby people are made capable of union with christ , and that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 sign of regeneration , &c. this is practised and professed by many for religion , but this practice and doctrine is not according to the scripture , being it was never commanded , nor any example for it in scripture ; therefore all ye through all these nations that are made christians , and ownes your title in christianity , and a right to fellowship with christ , and that ye are joyned to the church , and become members of christ , because you were sprinkled when you were infants , ( and all ye that teach this for doctrine , and practice it for religion ) you are not of the true christian religion in the purity thereof , as it is contained in the scriptures . this i do affirm ; therefore stand you by , for what you practise and professe , there is neither command nor president in scripture ; if you could shew any , you are now called , and a necessity is put upon you to make use of your knowledge , if you would be protected in this commonwealth in your practise of religion ; likewise you sing , and give to sing davids psalmes in rime and meeter , professing it is to the glory and honor of god ; ye practice this as an ordinance of god , as a part of his worship , and as a part of your religion ; but this practice and profession also is manifest not to be according to scriptures , because it was never commanded , neither is there any president for this practice in the scriptures , in gospel-times : therefore in this part of your religion you cannot justly own to be protected and maintained , because the protectors oath reaches not to uphold & maintain any such practices in religion , which is not according to the scriptures , likewise all ye that meets together to exercise your religion , and to worship god in temples made with hands , set apart by you for that practice , professing them to be churches of christ , this is not according , but contrary to the scriptures , which saith , god dwells not in temples made with hands ; neither did the saints of old constantly practice any such thing , but it was the persecutors that met in temples made with hands , who cast out , and hailed the apostles out of such temples , so that in this practice you cannot justly own to be protected , as not being a practice in religion according to scriptures . likewise all ye whose ministers preacheth for hire , and have hire for preaching , so much a year , and so much a sermon at a town , or a parish in a setled place , and who takes tythes , and compells people to pay tythes by a law ; such are not the ministers of christ ; and ye that uphold such for ministers of christ , are false in judgement , and blind in understanding , and are not of that christian religion which is according to scriptures in the purity thereof , neither ministers nor people , for the ministers of christ never acted any such thing ; it was the false prophets , and false apostles that preached for hire , and for gifts and rewards ; neither did the saints and churches of christ look upon them that acted those things , to be ministers of christ , but on the contrary , declared against them to be deceivers ; so that all you people , and you professed ministers that acts those things that the false prophets acted , and all you people that loves to have it so , and gives hire to your ministers for preaching , and consenteth unto it , none of you are of the christian religion , as it is held forth in the scriptures , because this part of your practice in religion is not according , but contrary to scriptures : now substracting all these in these nations from the whole which practiseth and professeth these things mentioned for ordinances of god , and for his worship , none of you are of the true christian religion as it is held forth in the scriptures , because these things which you practise for religion , is not held forth in all the scriptures by any example or command ; likewise you are of the greatest number of people in all these nations ▪ and that practice and profession in religion which the greatest number follow and exercise themselves in , cannot be the true christian religion , because the scripture saith , few are in the straight way that leads to life , to wit , in the pure and true religion ; but many are in the broad way that leads to destruction ; and such that are the greatest number who are in the broad way , are not in the religion in the purity thereof , as it is held forth in the scriptures ; likewise many of ye who practise those things mentioned for religion , are yet unconverted to god , but lives in wickedness , in the pride and vanities , and in all the evil of this world , in double-dealing , in drunkenness , in whoredom , & in the works of darkness ; therefore you are not of the true christian religion , neither do you walk with god in purity and holiness , neither are you changed by christ into his image , nor are guided by his spirit , neither do you live to god in any thing , but to this world in all things ; and your religion is manifest not to be according to the scriptures , but contrary ; and so let all people consider whether or no you must be maintained in your religion . come forth and plead your cause all ye that are called presbyterians , and independents , and all others , stand up , and prove if you can , your practice in religion to be according to scriptures ; but seing no man is able to prove these things mentioned , which is practised by you for religion , to wit , sprinkling of infants , and singing davids experiences in rime and meeter , and worshipping god in set-places , as idol-temples , and preaching for , and giving great s●ms of money for preaching , with other things practised by you for religion ; neither were these things ever commanded in scriptures ; neither is there any example for the practise of these things in scripture by any of the lords people , & therefore you cannot justly own a title in the protectors oath , to be maintained and upheld by vertue thereof in these your practises of religion ; for it appears he is but bound onely to uphold and maintain that religion which is according to scriptures , and not them who practiseth those things for religion which are not according , but contrary to the scriptures ; likewise all ye that are called gathered churches , who holds forth for doctrine that the scriptures are the word , ( by which the world was made ) and that the scriptures are the foundation ; and that the scriptures are the way to salvation ; & that the letter and the spirit are unseparable ; and that the scriptures are both the writings and the thing signified ; and that except a man be baptized with water , he cannot be saved ; with such like doctrines which have been held forth by some professing themselves to be of the church of christ ; all you are manifest not to be of the christian religion , because those doctrines are not according , but rather contrary to the scriptures : likewise all ye whose practise in the exercise of religion is but by imitation from the scriptures , and you are not led by the spirit of the father in what you speak , & practise , you are not of the true christian religion wch the scripture speaks of ; for the sons of god , & who are of the true religion , are led by the spirit of god , & not by their own thoughts & imaginations , & the traditions of men ; and all that are not led by the spirit of the father , are not of the true christian religion as it is held forth in the scriptures , and not any that are such can justly own to be protected in their religion , because it is not according to the scriptures ; likewise all ye that doth profess the things of god and christ , and that you are members of the church of christ , and professes righteousness and truth in words , and yet lives in pride and the vanities of this world , and in unrighteousness , and the customs of the heathen , which are vain ; & are not clensed from unrighteousnes , nor freed from the body of sin & death ; neither doth answer your profession wth a conversation , shewing that you are not guided with that spirit whose words you do profess , all you are hypocrites , & lives in hypocrisie , none of you are of the true christian religion as it is held forth in the scriptures ; for the exercise in true religion sheweth forth in life what is professed in words ; come try your selves , and prove your selves all sorts of people , for now your religion is to be tryed , what name soever you go under ; and all you that practise and profess those things for religion for which there is neither command nor president in scripture , your religion is concluded not to be according to scriptures , and so no title or priviledge can any of you justly own of being upheld or maintained by the protectors oath ; but as i have said , for sprinkling of infants , and singing davids experiences in rime and meeter , &c there is neither command nor president in scriptures , and therefore you that practise those things which i have mentioned for religion , are not of the true christian religion which is according to the scriptures , which is to be protected . likewise all ye that persecutes by reproaches or revilings , and cruelty , or that causeth the people of god to be persecuted ; many of you there are in these nations which professeth religion , yet are envious persons , and persecutors of the innocent , hereby it is manifest that you are not of that religion which is according to scriptures ; for the saints never persecuted any , but were themselves persecuted for righteousness sake ; so you are not to be protected in such exercise , because it is not according , but contrary to the scriptures ; for you have no example from the saints for professing and practising religion , and yet persecuting such as are of the true religion , whose consciences are truly exercised towards god , and towards all men . now seeing that it is discovered in part , who it is that are not of the true christian religion according to the scriptures ; it remains to be proved ( if there be any ) who it is that is of the true christian religion as it is held forth in the scriptures , and who it is that is to be protected in their practise and exercise of religion : and as concerning the despised and rejected people called quakers , herein i shal speak for them as a friend to them , and a lover of their ways , who is not ashamed of their practises in religion , and shall measure and try their practises in religion whether it be according to scripture , and if it prove so to be , that what they practise for religion , and holds forth for doctrine , is according to the scriptures , then why should not they own their right and priviledge to be upholden and maintained by the protectors oath , who hath sworn to uphold and maintain them and their religion , whose exercise in religion is according to scriptures , being that same people is , and hath been faithful subjects of this commonwealth . and first of all , they dare not own themselves to be christians , nor to be members of christ , nor to have any right or title to the kingdom of god , but as they witness converting by the spirit of the lord , and are changed from death to life , and from darknesse to light , and from satans power to the power of god , through the operation of the same spirit , and as in all their works and ways , and exercises in religion , they are guided by the same spirit who leadeth them out of the world , and out of all the vanities and evil works thereof ; and this is according to the scriptures , and their religion herein is justified by the scriptures , who witnesseth that christ is in them , and that they have received him through faith , and thereby are cleansed from all unrighteousnesse , and have put off , and are putting off the body of sin and death , and walks with god in purity and holinesse , being led by the spirit of god therein , and with god they have peace , being reconciled by jesus christ , who is their salvation , and they have no other ; and this is according to the scriptures . and againe as concerning their meetings , and the manner thereof , it is not contrary , but according to the scriptures ; for though they meet in many parts of these nations by great numbers , some in the open fields , and some on the mountains in some places , and sometime without doors , and sometime in houses ; all this practise is according to the scriptures ; for we read mat. 5.1 . in the days of christ , that there were great multitudes of people that followed him , and he went up into a mountain , and preached , and taught them upon the mountain ; and in matt. 14. & 14. we read that there was great multitudes that came out of the cities unto iesus into the deserts , & he had compassion toward them , and did good unto them , and at that time there was many thousands met together , as you may read , and it seems stayed whole days together , for they sate down on the grasse , and eat together , and then iesus sent the multitudes away ; and in mark 6. you may read how that multitudes came to jesus out of the cities into a desert place , and jesus began to teach them many things in that desert place , for he had compassion on the multitude ; and in luke 9. how the people again followed jesus into a desert place , and he preached un●o them the king●om of god : such meetings then was counted strange , as such meetings are now when the people of god meets together by great numbers , to preach , and to hear the kingdom of god preached ; but their meetings are according to the scriptures , for the people of god in generations past , met in the same manner as the people of god called quakers , meets now ; for somtime christ preached out of a * ship unto the people that stood on the sea shore ; & * paul kneeled down & prayed among the saints near the sea shore , at his passing into the ship ; and we read acts 2 : that there was three thousand converted at one sermon , then there must needs be a great meeting , and a great deal of people met together , such meetings now are wondred at , but such meetings are but according to scripture ; so that this part of their practise in religion is agreeable to the scriptures , and the same as the saints practise was in ages past : and as for the people of god meeting together sometime in the night-season to wait upon the lord , and sometimes sitting in silence , & waiting upon the lord & no words uttered amongst them , but every one sitting silent before the lord having received nothing from the lord to speak one to another , at which the people of the world do wonder , and falsly judg it not to be a christian exercise ; but we read in the scripture , job 2 : that job ( who was a christian , for he was a just and perfect man ) he and his friends sate upon the ground seven days , and seven nights , and spake not a word one to another ; this would be a strange thing at this day to see practised : and in jer. 8.14 . you may read , where the prophet jeremiah exhorted the people to assemble themselves , and said , let us enter into the defenced cities , and let us be silent there , for the lord our god hath put us to silence ; but such a practise now is thought strange by the people of the world , who are not acquainted with the ways of god ; who are wise in their own eyes , and knows not what it is to wait upon the lord in silence , who never yet was put to silence in themselves by the lord ; and you may read ezek. 3 : where the prophet sate down amo●g the people of the captivity , and they were astonished seven days ; and at the end of seven days , ( and not before ) the word of the lord came to the prophet ; so that you see it was the practise of the servants of the lord oftentimes to sit and wait upon the lord in silence , though people wonder at such meetings now ; and we do not read that there was alwayes speaking among the saints in the churches when they were met together ; but acts 2. we read that the church was met together in a place , and the holy ghost fell upon them , and then they began to speak as the spirit gave them utterance ; then it seems they had not spoken before , though they had met together in a house , and then they spoke the wonderful things of god , and some that heard , mocked ; and others said they were full of new wine ; even as the people of the world do at this day when any of the people of the lord are moved to speak as the spirit gives utterance ; so that sometime to sit in silence being met together to wait upon the lord , as many of the servants of the lord do in this nation , is a practise of religion , and not contrary , but according to the scriptures , for many of the servants and assemblies of the lords people practised the same thing in ages past , as the servants of the lord do at this day ; & so this practise is to be upholden and maintained , because it is proved to be according to the scriptures , for the same thing was practised heretofore ; and we read acts 20.7 . that the church met in the night , for paul continued his sermon till midnight : and as for their practise in speaking , either man or woman as the spirit gives utterance , this is according to the scriptures , though it be much wondred at , and cryed against by the wise men and people of this age , for we read act. 2. that they spoke in their meeting as the spirit gave them utterance , without studying before-hand what to say ; & the lord promised that sons and daughters should prophesie ; & in act. 21.9 . we read of one that had four daughters that did prophesie ; & divers other places in scripture doth shew that women * laboured in the gospel , which doth prove that a woman speaking & declaring the things of god , is not contrary , but according to the scriptures , and that any who are moved of the lord , may declare the things of god , man or woman ; and the apostle saith , 1 pet. 4.10 . as every man hath received the gift , even so minister the same one to another ; so that this practise in religion is proved to be according to the scriptures . and as concerning their call to the ministry , some are called from their ordinary callings , as from the plough , or from handicraft work or tradings , or such like : this is according to the scriptures also , for we read matt. 4.18 , 19. where the disciples were called from their nets , and some were called from the receit of custom ▪ and we read amos 7. that he was a herdsman , & a gatherer of sycamore fruit , & * elisha was called from the plough ; and some others were called from keeping of sheep : so that their call to the ministry , and practise in the ministry , is according to the scriptures ; for the servants of the lord in former ages were called to the ministry after the same manner ; so in that they do agree to the scripture both in ministry and ministring , and so may own protection herein by the protectors oath . and as concerning their going up and down through the countries , and from city to city , and from one town to another , and from one nation to another , this is according to the scriptures , though some seek occasion thereby against them , and unjustly takes them as for vagabonds , and executes their envy upon them , yet it was the apostles practise , as you may read in the book of acts , where the apostles travelled from countrey to countrey , and from one city to another ; and though some of the servants of the lord are moved now to speak and dispute in the markets , and reprove sin in the gates , and in the streets , and in the high-ways , and threatning gods judgements against the wicked , all these things are according to the scripture , and their practise herein is justified by the scriptures ; for we read acts 17.17 . that paul disputed in the synagogues with the iews , and with the devout persons , and in the market dayly with them that met with him ; and we read jer. 7. that he was commanded to stand in the gate of the lords house , and to speak to all that passed into it . and jer. 26. we read that he was commanded to stand in the court of the lords house , without doors , and to speak to all the cities of judah . and we read in the booke of jonah , how he was commanded to go through the streets , and to reprove sin , and to threaten gods judgements against the wicked ; and these practises were strange in that generation , as they are at this day unto the world , who are not acquainted with the ways of god ; but all people may see , though the servants of the lord do practise these things now as they are moved , their practise herein is according to the scriptures , for the servants of the lord in former ages acted the same things ; so that in this practise the servants of the lord ought not to be persecuted , but protected and maintained in it , and that by the protectors oath , because it is proved to be according to the scriptures , which he is sworn to maintain . and as concerning their crying against such , and declaring against them by word and writing , that preach for hire , and divines for money , and seeks for their gain from their quarter , and such who goes for gifts and rewards , and hath sums of money by the year for preaching , and though they deny such that acts those things , to be ministers of christ ; this practise also is according to the scriptures , for we read mich. 3. that he declared against such as preached for hire , and divined for money , and such were no ministers of christ . and we read isa. 56. that he declared against them that sought for their gain from their quarter , which were greedy covetous men , such as is many of the teachers of england . again , we read matt. 23. where christ declared against such , & did not own such to be any of his ministers , who were called of men master , who stood praying in the synagogue , and had the chief places in the assemblies . and we read in 2 pet. 2. and in many other places , where the apostles declared against such , and denyed such to be ministers of christ , that preached for filthy lucre , and took gifts and rewards for preaching , and by feigned words made merchandize of souls , who were heady and high minded men , as you may read 2 tim. 3. chap. and such men were denyed to be ministers of christ , by the prophets , christ , and his apostles . so that all people may see this practice of the servants of the lord at this day , who are moved to declare against such men that acts these things mentioned , is perfectly according to the scriptures ; for the servants of the lord spoken of in scripture , did the very same things in this particular , as is done at this day ; therefore for this practise they ought not to be persecuted as they have been , but ought to be protected and maintained in it , and that by the protectors oath , who hath sworn to maintain that practice which is according to the scripture ; and to declare against them that preach for hire , and have great sums of money for preaching , and that are called of men master , and that takes gifts and rewards of people for preaching ; i say , to do thus is a practise which the scripture gives a large example for ; and so it must needs be according to the scriptures , and ought to be protected in this government . again , as concerning their denying to respect persons , or to bow with hat or knee , in respect of worshipping any creature , this also is according to the scriptures , though the people of the world , who live in pride and vain customs , are offended with them in this practise ; for we read that god commanded not to bow to any likeness , exod. 20. and we read james 2. the apostle exhorts not to have the faith of our lord jesus christ with respect of persons , but condemns that practise of respecting such as are in goodly apparel , and gay clothing , and have gold rings , above a poor man in vile rayment ; and he saith plainly , they that have respect to persons , commits sin ; and we read that the pharisees said of christ , he respected no mans person ; and he is our example . and we read that the three children was cast into the fiery fornace with indignation before the king , being bound before him , and cast into the fornace , dan. 3. and we read that paul and all the servants of god , did thou kings , and princes , and rulers , and they spoke plainly to all men , and durst not give flattering titles to any , as you may read in job 32. so that all people may see the practise in denying to respect persons , and in speaking plainly , without flattering titles to any man , denying to put off the hat , or bowing to men in gay clothing , or giving place to such that wear gold rings , and have goodly apparel , before such as have vile raiment , is justly according to the scriptures , though people stumble at such practises ; and the people of god may claim to be maintained in this practise of their religion , seeing it is proved to be commanded in scriptures , not to respect the person of any man ; and also it was the saints practise , and therefore herein they ought not to be condemned , but ●ustified , as being a practice in religion agreeing with the scriptures . and as concerning their denying obedience to magistrates in some causes , this is according to the scripture also ; for we read that the rulers commanded the apostles , and straitly charged them to speak no more in the name of jesus ; yet the apostles did not obey magistrates herein , neither did they cease to preach in the name of jesus ; and though christ was commanded , or besought to depart out of their coasts , yet he did not obey their request ; and we read that the three children were commanded to worship the great image , yet they did not obey this command of the king . so that all people may see it is lawful for the saints to disobey commands of kings & rulers , where they command that to be done or spoken which god doth not , but the contrary : and i say again , where kings or rulers , parents or masters doth command or require any thing of them that are under them which is not according to god , in such causes subjects , or people , and children and servants , are free , and not required of the lord to subject to any thing which is not justly according to him ; but yet we say , that subiects , and people , and children , and servants ▪ ought to be subject to them that have rule over them , in all things which is according to god in truth and righteousness ; and by the law of god all people are bound to obey those that have rule over them , and not to disobey them in any thing which may stand with the exercise of a good conscience to god ; so that though the people of the lord now do deny to depart out of a town or place , and though they will not cease to declare against sin and wickedness in teachers and people , though a magistrate command it , this is but according to the scriptures , for the apostles went on boldly , declaring the name of the lord after they were forbidden ; and thus the servants of the lord doth now , they freely declare the way of salvation , and calls people to repent , and reproves iniquity in ●ll sorts of people , though wicked men command them to the contrary , and falsly charges them that they are disobedient to government and authority , though they are not , no more then the servants of god , and apostles of christ , who in the same causes , did the same things ; and the lord hath commanded to cry aloud , and not to spare , but to tell people of their transgressions ; and therefore many of the lords servants doth deny to be silent , or to cease from declaring against sin , though a magistrate command it : and christ hath commanded not to swear at all ; and therefore many doth deny to swear upon any account , in any place , though the magistrates do command it . and the servants of the lord doth deny to put off a hat , or to bow in respect of any mans person , though a magistrate command it ; for the scripture doth say , he that respects persons , commits sin ; so that all people may see that what the servant of the lord doth in these things , are not contrary , but according to the scriptures ; for all these things were commanded & practised by the saints in former ages , & they said it was better to obey god then man , and we ought to do it in all things , and that according to the scriptures too . so that in all these practises in religion the scriptures justifies them , and be●rs witness to them , and they might claim protection in the exercise of them by the protectors oath ; but if they be not maintained , but persecuted for the practise of these things , then will the light in every mans conscience witness the oath is broken , and not kept ; for it extends to uphold and maintain the practice of religion which is according to the scriptures , as these is proved to be . and as concerning their doctrines wch the world stumbles at , yet their doctrines are according to the scripture ; though they say , chr. is the light of the world , & lighteth every man , or hath given light to every man that cometh into the world , this is according the scripture , as you may read , joh. 8.12 . & ioh. 1.9 . and though they turn people from darkness to the light of christ within them , & exhorts people to hearken to that within them , & not to seek a christ without them , to ascend or descend to fetch him , these doctrines are perfectly according to the scripture ; for you may read acts 26.18 . paul saith he was sent to turn people from darkness to the light , and from the power of satan to the power of god ; and rom. 10 you may read the apostle saith , what saith it , the word is nigh thee in thy heart , that is , the word of faith which we preach ; and they were not to say , who shall ascend , or descend to fetch christ . and though they tell people they must witness christ in them , or else they cannot be saved ; this also is according to the scriptures , as you may read 2 cor. 13. chap. the apostle saith , jesus christ is in you , except ye be reprobates . and though they say , christ is the word of god , and doth deny the scriptures to be the word by which the world was made ; this doctrine also is according to the scriptures ; for we read rev. 19.13 . that the name of jesus is called the word of god . and luke 1. of the scriptures it is said , they are a declaration by those which were eye-witnesses and ministers of the word . and though they press people to perfection , and doth say , men may be perfect upon earth , and compleat in christ jesus , this doctrine also is according to the scriptures ; for you may read 1 cor. 2. chap : and 6 : of some that were perfect , who were men upon earth ; and the ministers of christ spoke wisdom among them that were already perfect ; and col. 2·10 . the apostle saith unto the church who were men in this life upon earth , he saith to them , ye are compleat in him . and though they press the people to live without sin , and doth say , they that are born of god doth not commit sin ; this also is according to the scripture ; for it is christs command , mat : 5 : be perfect , as your father in heaven is perfect : and 1 joh. 3. there it is spoken of some that were the sons of god already , and he saith , whosoever is born of god , doth not commit sin , for he cannot sin because he is born of god ; and saith he , a● he is , [ christ ] so are we in this present world . and now all people may understand that in all these doctrines which they do hold forth , they do fully agree with the scriptures ; and they bear witness to the truth of their doctrines , that the servants of god , and the apostles of christ , did preach the very same things for doctrine as is done at this day ; and so these doctrines are not to be wondred at , not so much as they are by the wicked to be cryed against for heresie and error ; and these few particulars onely i have mentioned , at which the people of this age the most stumble at ; and all other things whatsoever which is held forth for doctrines unto people , i am able to prove them by the scriptures , that in all things they are according to the scripture , & not different or contrary to the scriptures ; so that all people may take notice and see that whatsoever they do practice for religion , and holds forth for doctrine , they do herein justly according to the scriptures , and they justifie their practises & doctrines in these things mentioned , and in whatsoever else can be objected by any man . and this i shall take in hand to prove before all the world , that the people of god called quakers , doth practice nothing for religion , or preach for doctrine , but what is perfectly according to the scriptures of the old and new testament , and in the fulfilling of them ; and so they are proved to be of that true christian religion which is according to the scriptures , and so may fully claim protection and preservation in their practice of religion : and this is to be considered by the protector and all magistrates and people in these nations , that they may know what the true christian religion is , and who is in it , and who is not in it ; and for this purpose is this written , for the satisfaction of all people , that they may see who it is that hath a right and priviledg to be protected & upholden by vertue of the oath . likewise all may understand , that what such practice and profes for religion , is not without good ground , but that the very same things were practised by them that were of the true christian religion , and preached for doctrine by them that were saints , which is now practised and held forth by the people of god ; and the scriptures doth fully bear witness in all things , shewing that such are guided by the same spirit which the saints were guided by in ages past ; and as they had , so have these the testimony that they are of god , and that the whole world lies in wickedness . and as concerning their being persecuted by many of the rulers , priests and people , though they be sent to prison , and banished out of towns , and whipped and beaten , and scorned , and reviled , this is also according to the scriptures , and the scriptures is fulfilled upon them ; for the same things were done to the apostles , and to the servants of the lord , as you may read through the acts , the people mocked the apostles , and slandered them , and said they were full of new wine , and the chief priests conspired against christ and the apostles , and incensed the magistrates against them , and the magistrates put christ and many of the apostles in prison , and caused them to be whipped and beaten , & to be banished , & many other cruelties done unto them ; the scripture is full to prove this , from the beginning , to the end of it ; and christ said , they shall persecute you , and speak all manner of evil of you for my names sake , and as they have done unto me , so shall they do unto you ; ye shall be hated of nations : and the apostle said , all that will live godly in christ iesus , shall suffer persecution . so that all people may see , though the people of the lord be persecuted , and reviled , and imprisoned , and cruelty done unto them ; and though it be done by the chief magistrates , and chief rulers , and the wise men of this age , all this is according to the scriptures , and that the scriptures might be fulfilled ; and the same things which are now done unto the people of god , were done unto the people of god in ages past by the same instruments , to wit , the rulers and magistrates ; and by the same means , to wit , by the information , and false accusations of the chief priests and teachers ; in jeremiah you may read how the priests sought to take away his life ; and you may read how the chief priests consulted against christ , and how they complained to the magistrates against him and the apostles ; and the same things are now come to pass , and we do not strange at it , for it is the chief priests of england that doth most seek the persecution , and causes the people of god to be persecuted by their complaining and petitioning to the magistrates ; so that in all these things , not onely what is practised and preached for doctrine , but also in what is suffered , is perfectly according to the scriptures , and all people that are not blind , may see that this religion is in all things agreeable with the scriptures , both in what they do and in what they suffer , so that this is given forth for the good information of the protector , and all magistrates , that they may hear the tryal of all things , and may not falsly conjecture or suppose , and thereupon give judgement without any true knowledge , let them search the scripture , and try ; i hope the worst of men hath so much conscience , that they will stand in awe of the breach of their own oaths , and that they will perform unto the lord and unto all men , what they have firmly ( and not compell'd ) sworn to do ; and thus it may be hoped the woful persecution wil cease , which is lamentable to be declared , how the people of the lord have sufferd in many things , even them whose religion is proved to be according to the scriptures , who practice nothing for religion , neither holds forth any thing for doctrine but that which is perfectly agreeable to the scriptures , as all people hereby may understand ; which religion the protector hath sworn to maintain and uphold ; then who shall presume to persecute the people whose practise in religion is proved to be the very same which his oath extends to maintain ? surely no men will be so impudent , or shew such rebellion to government , as to endeavour to break down and destroy that people whose religion is proved to be justly that which he is by oath bound to maintain ; some heretofore before this oath was taken , might plead ignorance , and say they knew not the mind of the protector ; but now his mind is fully discovered , and he doth not onely allow , but also hath solemnly sworne to maintain and uphold that christian religion which is according to scriptures ; and it is proved what people it is whose religion is so ; and i say again , that same people mentioned doth practice nothing , neither holds forth any thing for doctrine , but it is either commanded , or there is president for it in scripture , or agreeable thereto ; and therefore that same people is of the true christian religion which the lord protector hath bound himselfe to maintain , by oath in the face of the whole nations , so that none of the magistrates now can plead ignorance ▪ for as he is sworn to uphold the people of god in their religion , so are they bound to be true to him and the government , and to fulfil the good laws , and his oaths and enterprises ; so that i say again , it may be hoped for the time to come , for protection , and to be maintained , and no longer persecuted and destroyed in their persons and estates , as formerly they have been , if men regard their own oaths , or there be any truth or sincerity in the heart of man ; and i say , by this very oath mentioned might the people of god own and claim protection and defence in their way and practise of religion , which is so plainly proved to be according to the scriptures , though none of them desired such an oath for their protection , or sought after it ; yet being voluntarily instituted and taken , why may not they own the extent of it , which reacheth to them more then to any besides , as is clearly described ; and not for their own sakes altogether , do they own the benefit of it , but that he which hath taken it , may be clear in the sight of the lord in performing of his oath , for his felicity , and the increase and continuance of good government , they desire as much as their own protection ; and they would not have any man so wicked , or the cause of perpetual infamy to be given to this nation so much , as that any thing should be destroyed or broken down , which is sworn to be upheld and maintained in the nation , lest the heathen rulers rise in condemnation against the doers thereof : these , with many other arguments which might be produced , presseth many to endeavour the fulfilling of the said oath , for his own sake who hath taken it . and that first of all , by that oath the people of god may own protection in this commonwealth , because their religion is according to the scriptures , &c. secondly , that some people might also own protection in this commonwealth , in that the most of them , if not all , have been true and faithful subjects of this commonwealth , and hazarded lives and estates for the establishing of such a government wherein the people of god might have full liberty for the exercise of their pure conscience . again , they may own protection in this commonwealth as being at this day a harmless and innocent people , not being offensive to any mans person or estate , or in any other thing , ( except to sin and wickedness , and the workers thereof ) and i say again , that they do not desire any thing but the welfare , and the encrease , and the establishment of this present government , wherein it is according to god : and this is written for the information of all sorts of people , that they may know unto what sort of people the protectors oath extends to uphold and maintain ; and as concerning all those whose practise in religion and doctrines are not according to scripture , but contrary to it , as is manifest , and so not to be maintained and uphold●n in their profession and practice of religion by the protectors oath ; yet it is not desired that such should be destroyed , or overthrown , or bound , or imprisoned , or any cruelty done to them , though their practice be not according to scriptures ; but it s desired that such may live in peace in the commonwealth , enjoying their religion to themselves without any molestation from any ou●ward law , or outward power , for many would not that any should be compelled to , or from any exercises in religion by an outward law , but let them defend themselves in their religion , from those who may be moved of the lord to reprove them , or declare against them , or covince them ; so that many would have religion to defend it self , and that the magistrates with their laws may preserve the peace in the commonwealth , and mens persons and estates , and not their opinions and judgements ; and we would they may not limit or stint tender consciences , for many may be of a tender conscience in those things wherein their consciences are not truly informed , and such should not bee condemned to death , but to b● won by sound doctrine , and instructed by those who are called of god , and so this is written that the whole nation may understand the minde of the lords servants in all these things . and let no man blame me , for i have but with an equal hand brought all sorts of people to the line of true judgement , that they may know who is to be maintained ( and who is not ) in their religion , and practises thereof . but and if that after all this , the people of god be persecuted , and violence be done to them , and injustice and unrighteousness acted upon them in this commonwealth , as of late years hath been , and yet it be suffered to be , and none taken any notice to preserve and defend them whose religion is according to scripture , which he is sworn to maintain , then i leave it to the light in all mens consciences to judge ▪ what a condition such are in whose oath is not kept , but broken ; for these things are of no less value then either breaking or keeping a mans own oath , which solemnly hath been taken ; and this is not a light thing , but to be seriously considered of both by magistrates , teachers and people in this commonwealth , yet notwithstanding all this , the people of god doth not boast in , or trust unto the arm of flesh , neither are any whit the more confident in their way , though it be proved that they ought in justice to be upholden and maintained in what they profess and practise , as aforesaid ; for their hope and confidence is onely in god , who onely is sufficient to protect and uphold his people in all their ways and exercises ; and though all men do forget their own promises and oaths , yet will not the lord forget his chosen people , to defend them from all their enemies , who hath again appeared to gather his people , after the long and dark night of apostacy , and his house and tabernacle shall be exalted over all the earth . an objection . now many may say , seeing i challenge , claim , and affirm that this religion is the true religion which is according to scripture , then they ask and say , hath there been no true religion before this ? or hath all these religions been false before ? and seeing this hath but newly appeared in the world , was there no true religion before ? and if there were any , where was it ? and what was that religion , seeing there hath not been for many ages such a religion as this is : and after this manner doth many reason and object to themselves , and raises to themselves stumblings , and conceits themselves that our forefathers were of a good way , and many of them sure were saved which was not of this religion , which did not profess and practice these things which is professed and practised by this people . answer ▪ now unto all these i do answer and say , that this religion is the true religion which is according to scriptures , as is proved already , seeing they profess and practice nothing for religion but what the scriptures doth justifie , and shews the very examples of the same things ; but that god had a people in all ages , and a feed that never bowed to baal it s believed , and such as did sincerely seek after god according to what they knew , and they were accepted of god according to what was made manifest in that age and generation ; yet the testimony of truth it self , and the way of the lord it self , for many generations hath not so clearly and purely been held forth , as it is now in this age and generation ; for now the true light hath shined , and the way of salvation is evidently made manifest , as by many witnesses and evident tokens which may be given , and was not so clearly for many ages past , held forth and known : and such who have been sincerely seeking after god , though they knew not perfectly the way unto him , neither had they such a pure testimony revealed to guide them , as now is manifest , yet such do now rejoice , and owns the way of the lord , and the seed of god is refreshed in them , and all causes of stumbling removed , and the pure light of the gospel is sprung forth more clear in this age , then in any age for many generations ; for the scripture sheweth that a dark night of apostacy hath been over the whole world , and the beast hath reigned , and the false prophet hath deceived many nations ; and the whole world hath wondered after the beast for many ages , and the beast hath made war with the saints , and hath had power to kill them , and hath put a stop many times to the appearances of god , till now at length he doth appear , and the power of hell and death shall not stop it , and they do say that they are come out of the apostacy , to the dawning of the day again , and the same power of god , and the same truth as was in the apostles days , and the same ministry by the gift of the same holy ghost as was in the apostles days , is now witnessed , and at the time of ignorance god winked , but now the eye is opened , and all is called to repentance ; so it will not excuse any man to plead how it was with our forefathers , or to say , where was this religion before these few years , and such like , for now the power of god it self is made manifest , which brings into the true religion , and all that are of god heareth it , and shall own it , and shall receive the testimony which is given : it 's known that there are many thousands which hath not yet owned it , in which there is true thirstings after god , and a zeal for him , and such are not condemned to be altogether out of religion , for such seeks his face , and the day is neither clear nor dark to them , in which they are ; and such shall own and submit to the government of christ ; and they that are not under the government , are not of the true religion ▪ as i said ; this is the time of restauration , and the lord is bringing back again , and a thorow reformation wil the lord work in the earth , such as hath not been known in ages past . there hath been a seed sown which the devil hath catched away ; but now the seed shall grow ▪ and become the greatest of all herbs , and the fowls of heaven shall lodge in the branches . and this is a plain answer to all sober people , for according to the scriptures in the times of the apostles , the day of glorious light sprung forth , and mighty was the power of god at that day , but since hath darkness overshadowed all , and antichrist hath reigned , and the whole world hath been made drunk with the wine of forn●cation , which hath been in the hand of the whore , who hath set upon the beast , and upon nations and peoples , and the gentiles hath trodden under foot the holy city of god for forty and two months ; but now is the time of restauration as hath been promised , that the lord is bringing back his people again , and the tabernacle of god shall be with men , and christ alone must reign and rule , and his kingdom set up over the whole world . and let no man be offended at what i have done ; for i have not reflected upon any mans person , but on what he practiseth for religion . london , the tenth month , 1657. the end : notes, typically marginal, from the original text notes for div a30554e-110 * mark 4.1 , 2. luke 5 3. * act : 20 * phil. 4.3 * 1 kings 19.19 . a visitation and presentation of love unto the king, and those call'd royallists burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30561 of text r14966 in the english short title catalog (wing b6054). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 103 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 20 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30561 wing b6054 estc r14966 12035084 ocm 12035084 52872 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30561) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 52872) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 861:29) a visitation and presentation of love unto the king, and those call'd royallists burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 39 p. printed and are to be sold by robert wilson, london : 1660. reproduction of original in huntington library. signed at end: e.b. attributed to edward burrough. cf. bm. of an answer to several queries proposed to the people (called quakers) from a (supposed) royallist -of an objection answered, concerning the kings supremacy -of an epistle directed to the king, & those that go under the name of royallists -of certain queries returned to them (called royallists) to answer. eng society of friends -great britain. divine right of kings. a30561 r14966 (wing b6054). civilwar no a visitation and presentation of love unto the king, and those call'd royallists; consisting i. of an answer to several queries proposed to burrough, edward 1660 18378 7 0 0 0 0 0 4 b the rate of 4 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the b category of texts with fewer than 10 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-04 jonathan blaney sampled and proofread 2004-04 jonathan blaney text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-07 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a visitation and presentation of love unto the king and those call'd royallists ; consisting i. of an answer to several queries proposed to the people ( called quakers ) from a ( supposed ) royallist . ii. of an objection answered , concerning the kings supremacy . iii. of an epistle directed to the king , & those that go under the name of royallists . iv. of certain queries returned to them ( called royallists ) to answer . london , printed and are to be fold by robert wilson , 1660. an ansvver to divers queries superscribed thus , to the quakers some queries is sent to be answered , that all people may know your spirit , and the temper of it , and your judgment concerning the times and seasons ; and subscribed , let your answer be directed , tradite banc amico regis . as concerning the quakers , that are scornfully so called , we are at this day , and have been ever since we were a people , a poor despised and contemptible people , in the eye of this world , and deep sufferers under the injustice , and cruelties , and oppressions both of rulers teachers and people , and we have been a prey to the wicked , and troden down under the feet of ambitious men , that have been in power in this nation , and have ruled in force and cruelty over us , and this hath been ever since the lord raised us up to be a people , though we have not been offensive to any just law , or government , or to any sort of people , otherwise then that we have given our witness against sin and wickedness in all people ; but we have not been oppressors of others , neither have we envied the persons of any , but in all good conscience have we walked towards all men , doing no otherwise to any , than we would be done unto ; and this is the very law we walk by towards all men , desiring the good of all , and that all may come to repentance and be saved ; and what we are as unto the lord , if i should declare , it could not be believed by many : but we are his people , and he hath chosen us , and he is our god , and we have believed in him , and walked with him in the uprightness of heare , and we have this testimony in our own hearts , if we die it is for him , and if we live it is to him ; and though we have been and may be clouded with the reproaches and persecutions of an uncircumcised generation , yet in the lords season it shall be manifest , even to the world , and to our very enemies , that we are his people and chosen of him , and he in the midst of us , whom we serve and worship in spirit , in truth , and in righteousness , and this shall be manifest in the day of the lord , and in the mean time we are willing to bear , and to suffer all things that is put upon us , for the name of the lords sake . query 1. whether you , or any of you , that pretend to inspiration and revelation , did foresee , or was it revealed to you , that ever charles stuart should be proclaimed king to reign in england , ever any more ? or , whether or no any of you did believe it , or could have believed it by your great faith which you profess , if it had been told you long ago ? answ. as for the proclaiming of charles stuart king , to reign in england , it was not improbable unto our faith , neither is it contrary unto that which some of us hath seen ; for we know that god respecteth neither persons nor names , but doth give the kingdoms of this world to whomsoever he will : and thus much was said as may be seen in a book , called , good counsel and advice , reiected , ( and divers other papers ) &c. p. 17. in a letter to oliver cromwell , it is said concerning you that are commonly called cavaliers ; but what and if , for and because of thy wickedness in the sight of god , he should raise them up , and make them instruments in his hand to accomplish his wrath upon thee , even like as he made thee once his instrument to overthrow them , &c. and here the thing was believed to be possible , that the lord might raise you up again for his pleasure , to fulfil his will , because of the wickedness of the army and nation ; and it is now come to pass even as was seen and believed . and also it was expressed in a letter , written in the tenth month , 1659. concerning them that were your enemies , and that were at first raised against you , the very same spirit of pride , and oppression , and idolatry , is entred into them , ( meaning your enemies ) and now lives in them in as high a measure as ever it lived amongst you ; and their iniquities are well nigh finished , and the lord will one way or other correct and reproue them , and they shall be dealt with in like manner as they have dealt with you ; for they were no more than a rod in the hand of the lord for a season , and they must also be broken and cast into the fire , and whether the lord may ever make use of you to reprove them , as he did of them to reprove you , this i determine not ; but leaves it to him who can do whatsoever he will by what instruments he pleaseth : it is true you have made many attempts to be revenged upon them , but you have not hitherto prospered ; but could you be humbled and come into the meek spirit of the lord , then might you prosper , but hitherto the lord hath alwayes defeated you , and bowed you down under a people as unworthy at others , but their time will come to an end : and submit unto the will of the lord in what is come to pass , and seek not vengeance to your selves , and then the lord will avenge your cause for the iniquities of your adversaries are ripe , &c. and charles stuart must either be converted to god , and ruled by him , or else he can never rightly rule for god in this nation ; though this i believe it is not impossible but that he may be a rod upon them that once smote him , and their oppressions and ambitions may receive a check through him , &c. these things were written in a letter to all the people of your part , long before there was any visible appearance , of that which is now come to pass : whereby it doth appear that these things in a great measure were foreseen and prophesied of , and it was believed as a thing very possible , that thus it might be as is already come to pass : and as for visions , they are for an appointed time , there is a time to see , and a time to speak what is seen ; and revealed things belongs to us , and when we declare them then you may take notice of it ; but it was verily believed as a thing possible , that such a thing would be , and also by the proceedings and transactions as they have fallen out , for your very enemies have so acted and proceeded as to destroy themselves , & to bring you in over their heads , though they little intended the thing , yet the effect of their proceedings could hardly prove otherwise than to destroy themselves , and make room for you , and these things i observed ; and also thus far we did fore see and it was revealed to us , and believed by many of us fully , and we did often prophesie it , that the lord god of heaven & earth would destroy and bring down the government , & authority as they have stood in this nation for divers years , and that he would bring iudgment upon the rulers , and upon many of the teachers , & people of this nation , because of their oppressions and unfaithfulness , and treachery , & hypocrisie , & wickedness , which abounded amongst them , which we have felt and seen , and been sensible of ; and we have often given our witness against them , because of their guiltiness in their sinful waies ; oh it hath been loathsome unto the lord , even the oppressions & treacheries of the rulers ! oh how hath cruelty and injustice abounded in their government ! & their hypocrisie hath been evident in our sight in many particulars , & even in that they have cryed against and overthrown king and kingly government , charging them with oppression and cruelty , and pretended to ease the people in a better way of government , when as though governors and names , & titles of government , were changed and altered , yet oppression ceased not , neither was injustice forsaken , nor was the heavy yoakes of great bondage removed : but the rather these things were increased upon many good people in these nations , and herein was the unfaithfulness , and treachery of the rulers very great in the sight of god , and their government unjust and unequal , wherefore the lord hath been provoked against them to confound them , and overturn them , and we have often told it them , and also the hypocrisie and deceits , and sinfulness of teachers , we have seen & testified against , & our witness to them both is and will be found true , and gods justice will be fulfilled upon them both , & these things we have observed , even the heinous guilt of sin against god in both rulers and teachers , & the abominations that have been committed both in civil , and church government ( so called ) also , and many people have loved to have these things so , and we have been sensible how the lord hath been provoked to overthrow the governors of this nation , because hereof ; and this we have foreseen and prophesied of , even that iudgement and confusion would come upon the government , the rulers , and the teachers ; but particularly when and after what manner , judgment & overthrow should come upon them , was left to the lord , who hath brought to pass his own will according to justice , and it may prove to be a just jugdment from the lord , upon the unfaithful and treacherous , and unjust rulers , and teachers , and people which i have mentioned , and the lord may justly avenge himself upon them who have abused his mercies , and not improved his deliverance to his glory , but perverted the end wherefore they were at first raised up , i say the lord may justly be avenged of them by this means , of this mans comingin , and he may be in the hand of the lord a very smiting rod to correct and rebuke , and may be a heavy judgment upon many in this nation , even from that cause , and for that end as before i have expressed . quer. 2. whether you , or any of you , do adjudge it reasonable and equitable , that he should come & inherit the nations of which he is born the right heir ? or whether or no it is just or unjust to god and men , that he should reign king over these nations ? if you walk & judg by the law of god which is equal , then judge of this whether he hath been kept out this many years , & now is brought in again reasonably & iustly , or unjustly & contrary to reason ▪ answ. that he should come in , is reasonable and equitable , because through the purpose of the lord , his coming in is accomplished , who effecteth nothing but what is equal & reasonable , & there is cause in god sufficient wherefore it should thus be , & there is sufficient cause & reason appearing to us in this matter ; & upon the very account as laid down in my answer to the first query , it is equal as in the lord , that he should be restored who hath been removed & cast out by such as have pretended to govern & rule better than he , but have ruled in oppression & injustice , & not answered the cause wherefore he was cast out ; & that he should come in to be a scourge upon these , this is just , and in this particular doth lie the reason & equity of his coming in to inherit this nation . and as for reigning justly over this nation , that may better be answered when we have had experience of his reign , for if he reign & rule in truth & righteousness , in mercy and in iustice , and by and according to the iust law of god , if thus he reign , then he reigneth justly , & it is just to god and men that he should reign , and this the law of god which is equal , judgeth , by which we walk in all things , & do judge of all things : and as for his being kept out this many years , we do judge that the hand of the lord is in these matters , & they were done & suffered to be done by him , in which he will be glorified , yet , thus far i say , they that have kept him out , in pretence that they would rule better than he , & yet have ruled in oppression & injustice , as much more ( may be ) then he would have done , they have dealed unjustly and contrary to reason , both to him , and much more to the people of these nations , while they have made and had new names and titles of government and governors , but have continued the old oppressions , and not releived the oppressed according to their own vows and promises , which they have broken , and it is but just they should be punished for it ; but if he render not evil for evil , he doth well . quer. 3. whether or no ye can judge that his reign and government shall be blessed to himself , and these nations , or the contrary ? or whether shall peace or trouble be in the land in his dayes ? and shall his dayes be many , or shall his time be short ; if this be revealed to you let us know ? answ. we do judge that his reign and government may be blessed to himself and these nations , or not blessed ; and peace may be in the land , or trouble in his dayes ; and his time may be long , or it may be short ; according as he walketh in the fear of the lord , or as he walketh wickedly , and according as his reign and government is in righteousness , mercy , and truth , or in oppression and injustice , accordingly do i judge may he be blessed & may have peace , and long dayes , or the contrary , if he walk in the way which brings contrary effects : and we take not upon us to judge any thing before the time , but as thorow time he discovers himself , so we may judge of him , ( for we desire well for him and all men ) that he may so reign and govern as to be a blessing to himself and these nations , that peace may be in his dayes , and his time may be happy : and this we certainly know that there is an eternal god , who is over all , and that can do whatsoever he will , even set up and pull down whomsoever he will , and though his strength now be great , and his number very many , yet there is an eternal god above all , who is mighty to save , and mighty to destroy , and if he please no god in his wayes , and in his reign , but be an oppressor , and walk in evil wayes , we certainly believe he cannot be blessed , nor have peace , nor long time , but the lord may bring to pass the contrary ; for as the scriptures say , it is by him that kings reign , and he makes kings blessed or miserable , the scriptures gives much evidence concerning the good and the bad kings of israel , they that were good men and ruled well , they were blessed and had long dayes , and people were happy under them ; and to the kings that were idolaters and oppressors , and walked in wickedness , and vexed the lord , it was contrary , for the lord cut them off and destroyed them , and delivered the oppressed ; and god is the same now as he was then , as powerful to save the righteous , & as mighty to destroy the wicked , & we rather desire that he may follow the example of the good kings of israel , that the good effects may follow , & that he may not follow the evil example of tyrants & oppressors : but & if he do , the effect and reward will certainly be upon him , and the lord will rebuke him , and this we know by the spirit of the lord . quer. 4. whither may he justly forgive , or avenge himself , of his and his fathers enemies , and if he do avenge , whether or no can that be called persecution ? and if any or many suffer death , or otherwise on that account because they destroyed his father , & sought to destroy him also ; do such suffer for righteousness & good conscience or no ? if some of you suffer , for that cause shall you have peace with god in it , or is it for the name of christ , as ye often say ? answ. he may justly in the sight of god forgive his , and his fathers enemies , and he will be the more blessed if he do it , for it is a happy thing to forgive enemies , and it is christs doctrine also to forgive enemies , and it would be a good report unto him among his friends , and it would win his enemies , or be a good means towards it , if he do forgive all enemies , and it will be a good beginning of his government to remit offences ; though yet in his heart he may be perswaded , that he and his father have been much injured , yet i say , justly he may forgive all in the sight of god , and also in the sight of men , as many wayes may appear ; even in as much as his father and he , did flie to the sword to determine their controversie in this nation , and the sword went against them , and did determine the controversie even against them ; and that whereby they thought to stand , they did fall , and that which they chused for their defence , did destroy them , and who then shall they blame for that which befel them , seeing the sword destroyed them , * which themselves did chuse & thought thereby to stand , but it determined the controversie against them : and if you cannot own it , as that the hand of the lord went against you in battel , yet you must confess that the fortune of war ( as some call it ) went against you ; and must such now suffer because hereof ? nay they ought not , but may rather be spared by the king ; & in as much as he is restored again without blood or loss of lives , it may be very just for him not to take away any mens lives , but it will be more just to pass by all old things ; and if he have a deliverance , let him turn it into the praise of the lord in holiness , and not into the shedding of blood in the way of a fierce revenge ; and let him leave it to the lord to avenge himself upon such as have been his enemies , and upon such as have cast out king and kingly government , and pretended to a better government , and to govern more righteously , and yet have been oppressors , and not answered their own pretences and engagements , but broken them and acted contrary , by their unfaithfulness and hypocrisie ; and in that doth lie the justness of punishment if it come upon them , and if they be punished with death , or otherwise if they suffer on that account ; i say , because they destroyed kingly government in name and title , and pretended better things , & to govern better , and did not make reformation , but were oppressors , as i have said , suffering for that cause cannot be called persecution , nor is it for good conscience , nor righteousness sake that such do suffer : but none of us can suffer for that cause , as not being guilty thereof , as in the answer to the next querie , i shall have full occasion to shew you ; but and if we suffer in your government , it is for the name of christ , and we shall have peace with god in it ; because nothing can be charged against us in this capacity as we now stand , and in this state into which we are now gathered and changed ; not in any matter of action or rebellion against him nor his father , nor any thing but concerning the law and worship of our god , and the matters of his kingdome , and our pure consciences ; and if upon this account we are made to suffer by him and for this cause , the reward will be sad and heavy upon him , in the day of the lord : and if any that are now amongst us , were any way engaged in the parliament service in the wars , it was not in rebellion against him or his father , as that we sought their destruction as men , but upon sober & reasonable principles , & not for corrupted ends , nor to get honour & riches to our selves , as some others might do , who went in the war for self ends , & continued in action after the cause ( which was once engaged for ) was utterly lost , as we have long seen it ; and that principle which some time led some in action to oppose oppression & seek after reformation , we never have nor shall deny , but that principle is still justified ; though we are now better informed than once we were , for though we do now more than ever oppose oppression , and seek after reformation , yet we do it not in that way of outward warring , & fighting with carnal weapons , & swords ; & you , and the king ought to put a difference ( both in their guilt & suffering ) between such as some time acted in the wars against you , in and upon sober & reasonable principles , & that did not make themselves rich and high in this world thorow your sufferings ; and between such as have acted against you for self ends , and have insulted over you , and have made themselves great and rich in this world , thorow your afflictions and sufferings ; for they who have walked in that way , & are hereof guilty , they havenot acted righteously , nor walked in good conscience ; & if such suffer by you for that cause , it cannot be called persecution , nor is it for the name of christ , nor can such have peace with god : but we being clear from the sin of such , we cannot suffer as such , but if we suffer by you it is persecution , and our sufferings will be upon you . quer. 5. whether the great afflictions and sufferings sustain'd by him this divers years , from the subjects if his own nation , and the guilt thereof , do lie upon all the subjects in general ? or whether upon any , or some pa●icular sects and sorts of people ? ( many which now are arisen ) and if upon any particular sect and sort , who are such more than others ? distinguish them from others , and clear your selves if you can from the guilt of his sufferings . answ. as for the afflictions and sufferings sustained by him , so far as they were iust and righteous iudgment from god , because of iniquity , can no man be charged with , but that is on gods account , who was pleased to chastise with afflictions and sufferings , and no man can be blamed with injustice for that affliction which cometh from the hand of god , upon whom injustice may not be charged by any one whatsoever ; and so far as his sufferings were unjust , the guilt thereof doth not lie upon all the subjects in general , nor upon every particular sort of people alike , but upon some more than others , and such are easie to be distinguished from others , if it be considered who they are that first raised the war in this nation against the king , and who was it that first preached and prayed up the war , and prosecuted it against his father ? and who is it that cast out the bishops and prelates from their places , and took their revenues and benefices , and are become men as corrupted , as covetous , and self-seeking , as proud and ambitious , as unjust persecutors as ever the men were which they cast out ? and the guilt is partly upon such who cast out others in pretence of refarmation but did it not : and who is it that hath gotten great estates in this nation , and worldly honour , and raised themselves from nothing by the wars , and by your suffering , and became ambitious and insulting over others , though they first began the war in this nation , and pretended great reformation in the civil state , as well as the other had done in church state ? and who get the estates & titles of their enemies , & pretended to free this nation from all oppressions , but have not done it , but have continued the old oppressions , and have been striving among themselves who should rule , and who should be great , but have not ruled for god , nor in iustice and equity , though they first warred against the king , and carryed it on , and removed the king and lords , and that government , and all this in pretence of ruling better , and in a better government , and yet kept not engagements , nor promises made in that case ? upon such is the guilt of the suffering of the king , so far as his sufferings are unjust , even upon hypocrites , who have ●alked in these steps , who as i have said , first made war against the king , and got great estates , and quite forgotten the cause once pretended by them , and now in flattery , cries up king and kingly government again , though this many years they have seemed to be opposite against it ; upon such as these may the guilt aforesaid in measure be charged : and though there are risen many sects and sorts of people since the beginning of the wars , yet in the beginning there was but one sort that were in a capacity to raise and prosecute war against the king ; and upon such there is guilt to be charged in the sight of god , who have foregone their principles , and been deceitful both to god and men : and as for us who are called quakers , we are clear from the guilt of all his sufferings , and in the present capacity wherein we now stand , and under the actings of that spirit which now we are of , we have no part in the guilt of these iniquities ; we have not cast out others , and taken their places of great benefices , neither have we made war with carnal weapons against any , never since we were a people , ( mark ) neither have we broken oaths and engagements , nor promised freedome and deliverance , and for self ends , and earthly riches betrayed , as others have done , what we pretended to ; and in many particulars it doth appear , that we are clear from his sufferings , for we have been a suffering people as well as they , by the same spirit which caused them to suffer , which hath been much more cruel , wicked , and unjust towards us , than it hath been towards them , though our persecution hath been in another manner ; but what they have done against us we can freely forgive them , and we would have you to follow the same example ; and if you could accuse them in many things , so could we ; but this is not a time to accuse one another , but to forgive one another , and so to overcome your enemies , or else you will appear in the same spirit , that so he that condemns them cannot justifie you , though we do condemn as well as you , them that have pretended reformation , and warred against you upon that account : and when they had gotten victory did not reform , but became oppressors themselves , as well as others , and became cruel towards others , that would not say and do as they ; and for this cause the lord hath brought them down , and may justly suffer others to deal with them as they have dealt with others ; yet notwithstanding i must still say , and it is my judgment , that there was very great oppressions and vexations under the government of the late king , and bishops under his power , which the lord was offended with , and many good people oppressed by , for which cause the lord might and did justly raise up some to oppose , and strive against oppressions and injustice , and to intend and press after reformation in all things , and that principle of sincerity which god did raise in many in the beginning of the wars , which in some things acted them forth , and carryed them on in opposing oppressions , and pressing after reformation , this principle i can never deny , but acknowledge to it , though many soon lost it , and became self-seekers , forgetting and foregoing the cause pretended to , having lost sincerity , and became corrupted in their way , and injustice and oppression abounded by them , and because hereof are they condemned in the sight of the lord , and not by me iustified , because they have lost sincerity , and turned the war , and all the proceedings into self-seeking ; and therefore is god provoked against them , though had they continued in their integrity , and had really performed what some time they pretended , and had forsaken all sin , it had not been thus with them , neither had this guilt been upon them , which now they are like to be accountable for : and this is my judgment concerning these things . quer. 6. whether or no he may justly ( think ye ) and with more safety to himself , and happiness to the kingdoms , tollerate and allow liberty of conscience , ( so called ) to all the many sects and sorts of people , and worshippers that are now in being in these nations ? or whether he may tollerate some and not all ? or whether he may tollerate none , but reduce the government of the church into the way of bishops and prelates , as it was in his fathers dayes ? which of these may he do justly , and with more safety to himself , and happiness to his government and kingdoms ? answ. we do believe he may and ought justly , and with most safety to himself , and happiness to the kingdoms , tollerate and allow free liberty of conscience in all the matters of faith and worship towards god ; for liberty in exercise of conscience , in the matters of gods kingdom , is a very precious thing to the lord , and very dear in his sight , and he is tender of it ; and i do stedfastly believe , he will not bless the rulers of this nation , that shall deny ( to the people of this nation ) and oppose liberty of conscience in the exercise of faith and worship towards god ; for i do know it is not given of god to any earthly king or ruler whatsoever , to exercise lordship over the consciences of people in the matters of faith and worship , and the things pertaining to gods kingdom ; for kings and rulers , are but to rule over men in a nation , in the matters between one man and another , in outward things and worldly affairs ; and therein only men ought to rule in equity over a nation , or city , or country ; and magistracy in this state , and for such an end is gods ordinance appointed of him , for the preserving of peace and good order among men in outward things ; and it is a priviledge of the crown of christs spiritual kingdom , to be lord and ruler over and in mens consciences , in faith and worship , and all the matters of his kingdom , even as and according to his pleasure , and as his spirit leads and guids ; for , and if any man shall assume to prescribe god a way how he must be worshipped , and shall limit his spirit from this , or to the other way of religion , and think to be lord in mens consciences in religious matters , such are but usurpers , and are not well-pleasing to the lord ( in such their way and government ) if they oppress mens consciences , by limiting from , or compelling to any such way of worship or kind of religion ; neither are they ordained to rule among men for that end , not to be king and iudge , and law giver in heavenly and spiritual matters ; and this ought not charles ( the king ) to do : but and if he do it , and will not let christ alone be the head over his church , it cannot be with safety to himself , nor happiness to the kingdoms , nor justly in the sight of god , but it will work contrary effects : and he may and ought to tollerate and allow liberty of conscience in the matters of gods kingdome , to all sorts of people , and worshippers , that are in this nation ; and let him mind gods wisdom , how to keep the nations in peace and good order , in all outward and civil affairs , between man and man , and between one sort of people and another , that none destroy each others persons or estates , nor be oppressors one of another in outward and earthly matters ; and that is the place and priviledge of a just king and ruler upon earth ; and to leave faith and worship , and duty towards god , as every one is perswaded in their own consciences is the right way ; whether they will read the common-prayer , or preach and pray after the order of the directory , or otherwise ; or whether they will meet in silence without words ; and let all these enjoy their way of religion and worship in outward peace , and not kill one another about their religion , worship , church and ministry , nor imprison and persecute one another about these things ; but let them all be preserved as men , living in peace one with another in all outward relations , and yielding subjection to good laws which concerns their outward man , and their peace and well-being as subjects of a nation ; but there ought to be no law of bondage and force , nor violent impositions by any man concerning religion , for the lord alone is sufficient to give prescriptions and laws to his peop●● how he may be served and worshipped ; and this is the way of good government in this nation , that only the outward man in outward things be governed , and all matters of conscience in spiritual things be left unto god , that his spirit may therein only rule and have the preheminence ; and if the king do rule thus , he may be more blessed , and in that this nation hath his word , for liberty of conscience , it is expected ; for because this hath been wanting , ( to wit ) the allowance of liberty of conscience in spiritual matters , because of this , have been much strife and contention , and heart-burnings in the nation , while some sects of people have been tollerated and upheld , and others persecuted for their religion-sake by law ; and this was one of the chief causes wherefore the presbyterians ( so called ) first raised war against the bishops , even because they could not be tollerated , but were persecuted , while the other were guarded and defended by law ; and this was a great cause of enmity , which if the presbyterians ( so called ) could have had liberty and tolleration at that day , for their worship and faith , it is possible the war against the bishops had not so far proceeded ; though when they had gotten victory , they were no less furious towards the bishops to destroy them , than the other had been once against them ; and this arose by reason of persecuting for conscience sake , because all had not liberty in the exercise of spiritual things , which if the king had declared at that day equal liberty to both , in matters of their faith and religion , and yet ruled over both in outward affairs , and had authority over the persons and estates in matters not related to spiritual worship , but left them therein free , and in their religion ; by such means the war might have been stopped , and not proceeded so far as it did , and into such destruction ; and this being now well considered , may be an example to prevent the like hereafter : so that i say , it cannot be for his safety , nor for the good of the kingdoms , to tollerate some sorts of people , and religions , and persecute others , for that will be the very cause of strife among men , it will provoke one sort to destroy another , and it will provoke the lord god against the king and his government , to destroy them both ; therefore to reduce the government of the church into the state , as it stood under the bishops in his fathers dayes , and to prohibit all others that may differ in judgment from that , this is not the way for peace and happiness in these nations , nor the way that will be blessed to the government ; neither can the bishops and prelates justly themselves desire it , that only they and their church-government , should be imposed and tollerated , and all besides prohibited ; for this is not doing to others as they would be done unto ; and i may hope that their suffering this divers years , may have taught them the worth of liberty to themselves , and so , that they will allow to others ( if it be in their power ) the same which they have desired themselves , in their time of suffering ; and they having tasted of some subjection in adversity , they know the better how to behave themselves in time of prosperity ; and they may compare others with their own states , and may judge that others will as much desire liberty , and from as good principles , in their worship and faith , as themselves would have enjoyned it in times past ; and they may have learned to be good to others in that case , for which themselves have suffered , and not cause others to suffer for that thing about wch themselves have suffered : and i do conclude , that he may justly & with more safty & happiness to his government , tollerate and allow liberty of conscience in the exercise of faith and worship towards god , in all spiritual matters , even to al sorts of people in this nation , and let him defend their persons & estates , from the wrong one of another , by wholsome laws ; and let each sort defend themselves in their faith and worship , in their church and ministry , by their soundest arguments , and the best spiritual weapons they have ; and thus should it be blessed to the government : and whatsoever sort or sect of people are not contented with this , that is to say , to allow the same liberty to others in faith and worship , which they do desire themselves , are not worthy themselves to be allowed liberty unto ; and this every reasonable man may judge . quer. 7. lastly , what is your iudgement ; ( if ye dare declare it ) concerning the times and seasons , and the present motions of them ? and what are your observations of the present proceedings ? are the present times and seasons , and the proceedings , and transfactions in mercy , or in iudgment to the king , and his subjects ? if in mercy , to whom is it mercy ? and if in iudgment who are they to whom these things are so ? if ye be not faint-hearted declare your minds , now in your last daies ( as many think ) for many say , that your ruin is nigh come , and if it be not so , many are deceived ? answ. yes we dare declare our iudgment concerning the times and seasons , for we have received the iudgment of truth in our spirits , and never have been , nor are we afraid to declare the truth , so far as truth is necessary to be declared ; and we say the times and seasons are in the hand of the lord , and the motions of them are very swift , and the lord gives to whom , and takes from whom , ( times and seasons ) as he pleaseth , even as it were in an instant doth the lord give , and change , and alter , times , authorities , and things ; and mortal man ought not to glory in times or seasons as if they were certain and unchangable to him ; for behold the motions of times flyeth away , and seasons removeth their course , and the most confident of men have no certainty thereof , and that because they are in the hand of the lord that turneth them about , and often contrary to mens will and pleasure ; and therefore let every man be good in his time , and fulfill the will of the lord in his season , before time and season be no more , but removed from them . and as for our observations , they are very many of the present proceedings and transactions ; first , we do observe that there is not any thing of all these transactions that are come to pass , but there is a secret hand of the lord god , through them , and in them ; either doing of them , or suffering of them to be done ; and either as the cause by secret purpose , or as the means of their accomplishment ; it is not without him that these things cometh to pass , but his eye & his hand is over them , & that man is only blesed which hath respect unto him in all these things , that he may do or suffer for the lord , and that he may not rebell against him , in what is brought to pass by him . secondly , we observe how that the lord hath given unto many men a day and a time , and tryed them what they would do for him , and whether they would rule in righteousness , and in equity , but many have proved deceitful , and not answered to the lord what he expected from them ; and therefore the lord hath confounded them in their counsels , and suffered them to clash one against another , and made them overthrow one another ; and one self-seeking man hath been the ruin of another ( as bad as himself ) and even many by their own proceedings have prepared a rod and judgment , even for themselves , and through their blindness of heart , which they have been given up to , because of their wickedness , they have destroyed themselves , and given their very enemies advantage over them to afflict them , and this we have observed of present proceedings . thirdly , we observe that there is a rude prophane spirit , highly abounding throughout this nation , that brings forth much bad fruit , as drunkenness and wickedness in a great measure , which may justly provoke the lord to wrath and indignation against the land , if it be not forsaken , though it be lifted up in this wonderful rudeness in a pretence of glorying on the behalf of the king , and his government ; yet it vexeth the lord and it works sorrow in the hearts of many sober people , who are pondering what the end of this government may be , that is thus rude and prophane in its beginning , saying in their hearts , how shall the lord blesse these proceedings , and make the end of them happy , which are thus void of the fear of god in the first part of them ; and if a stop be not put and a limitation upon the spirit , it will provoke the lord to work sudden destruction , and overthrown the nation . fourthly , we observe , that many hypocrites and dubble minded men , are afraid , and terror hath surprized them , who have taken the profession of such or such a religion , on them for a cloak , and hath been in the shew of righteousness for earthly ends , such are afraid , and their ends are frustrated , and they are turned into confussion , and a prophane spirit abounding over their hypocrisie , and such will deny their principles and their faith , and will fawn & slatter to save themselves , & this is abominable ; but men that have been and are upright and sincere towars god in their way , they are not afraid , but are confident in the lord , and are given up in his will , whether to do or suffer for his names-sake , and they have no terror upon them because of any guilt , because they have been upright , in that way which they were perswaded to be right , and such lives in a patient and quiet life , and are contented whatsoever comes to pass , because they have the witness , that they have not followed their religion for self ends , nor taken the name of righteousness for a cloak as many others have , upon whom this overturning falls very heavy : and these things with many more the like , we do observe from the present transfactions , which are fallen out in mercy to some , and in iudgment to others , even a iudgment upon all that do not fear the lord , but walk in wickedness , and that have been hypocrites , and hard-hearted , and cruel , and to all that doth not repent of their sins , these things , and the end of them , are , and shall be great iudgments , and shall be turned into bitterness , even their joy , and rejoycing , into howling , and great lamentation , this shall be the end unto all the ungodly : but unto all that fear the lord and departs from iniquity , even unto such the end of all these things shall be good , even mercy , and peace , and their sorrow shall be turned into joy . and as for us , we are not faint-hearted , though it be supposed that we are in our last dayes , and as though our ruin were nigh to come , but we believe other wise , for we have clearness of conscience towards god and all men , and walks in faith and patience , and knowing this assuredly , that if we be persecuted and afflicted in person or estate by you that now are in power , yet it is for righteousness sake , and for the lords sake , and not for the guilt of any rebellion against you , that you have or ever can have to charge upon us , for we cannot befound in these things for we can neither secretly flatter to make peace with you , neither can we openly rebell against you , or resist you ; but as our right from god and you , we claime the liberty of the exercise of our consciences , in the matters of faith and a holy life towards god , that we may mind the things of gods kingdome , and may so walk and worship , as to have peace with god in our consciences , that no burden of sin and iniquity may lye upon us , but that we may live and dye in peace with god , this is all we claime of you ; but and if you will not allow it us , but will persecute us , and seek to destroy us only for our conscience-sake , and because of our faith and religion , if you do make and execute laws against us , in opposition to the law of our god , that you may take an occasion against us to destroy us because thereof , then innocent blood and cruel suffering will be upon you , and the weight of it will sink you into confussion , when your measure is full ; and if you should destroy these vessels , yet our principles you can never extinguish , but they will live for ever , and enter into other bodies to live , and speak , and act through other vessels , for our principles are standing and unchangeable through ages , and generations , and may be clouded but can never be extinguished , for every man hath a light in his conscience which christ hath inlightened them withal ; which light reproves men for sin and with it they know they should not lie , nor swear , nor be drunk , nor deal doubbly , nor walk in any sin : but and if they do these things , and live contrary to the light in their own consciences , then they deny christ and are unbelievers , and they are condemned , and have trouble in their consciences ; but if men do own that light in their consciences which doth reprove them for sin , then it leads them to repentance , and to the forsaking of all sin , and they cease from all iniquity , and receive iesus christ and his blood to cleanse them . and the light of the spirit of god leads them into all truth , to do , and speak the truth in all things , and then he hath peace with god in his conscience : and these are some of our principles , which can never be subdued by all the powers of the earth , though the vessels which now retain these were out off , yet these principles are unchangeable in themselves , and can never be extinguished ; so that this our religion cannot come to ruin , but they that think so , they are indeed deceived , and whosoever shall seek to destroy that which gods purpose is to exalt , woe shall be unto them ; and as they purpose towards others so shall it come upon them , from the lord in his day and season . and thus i have answered the queries directed to the quakers , and subscribed , tradite hanc amico regis , and i do desire that the friend of the king , and all his friends , and he himself , may receive and road over these my answers , and may consider them in coolness and moderation , for they may be to their edification if they be sober minded . i am a friend unto all men as men and creatures , and a lover of all souls , and am in principles and practises one of them scornfully called , a quaker . e. b. an objection answered , concerning the kings supremacy . and whereas it is objected by some , whether or not we will be obedient subjects , accepting of him as our lawful king , and own his supremacy , and will obey him willingly or unwillingly , and be subjects in conscience , or against our consciences ? answ. it is our principle , and hath ever been our practise , to be obedient subjects to whatsoever power or authority of man , or men , as have been in being over us , either by doing and fulfilling their just commands , or by suffering under their commands which have been unjust , and thus we are perswaded and resolved in the lord to continue , even to be obedient to the commands of men in authority , which are just and according to our consciences ; but and if any thing or matter be required of us , and imposed upon us , which is contrary to the law of god and our consciences , that we must fulfill by suffering whatsoever is put upon us by him ; or any under him ; and so we own him and accept him , as knowing and believing that he is set to rule in this nation , not without , but by , and according to the purpose of the lord , and that he hath secretly purposed and suffered the accomplishing of these things ; and thus we account that he is cheif magistrate , because these things are effected through the lords power , who doth whatsoever he will , and we do own that he is set and proclaimed to be the head and supream over this nation , in civil & outward affaires and matters , and in those things that are related to the outward man ; & all his commands which are just we can willingly be subject unto , even in conscience , and all his commands which are otherwise , we are willingly and in our consciences contented in patience to bear what men shall put upon us ; and thus we do accept of the king and his government , as he , & it , are according to god , and answerable unto him , if it be so , we are willingly and in conscience accepting thereof , and shall be obedient subjects thereunto ; but if it be otherwise , that is to say , if he rule in tyranny and oppression , and his government be unjust and unrighteous , and contrary to god , then we must give our witness against him , and it ; yet not so , as by outward opposition , and rebellion , to seek the overthrow of him or the government by carnal weapons ; but shall patiently bear , and that for conscience sake , all that cruelty or injustice , and suffering , which can be imposed upon us : and as for owning his supremacy , if it be meant his supremacy over the church , as if he were head of the church , and were supream law-giver and iudge , and king in church-state , as to give and prescribe laws for worship and faith , and to pass all judgement in matters that are spiritual , and appertaining to conscience , & about the things of the kingdome of god ; if by his supremacy this be meant , and intended thus , we cannot own his supremacy but must deny it , and we do ascribe supremacy only to iesus christ , in , and concerning all these things mentioned , and that he alone is iudge , and king , and law-giver in all the matters concerning his own spiritual king dome , and he must prescribe for us faith and worship , and must be the only iudge in all cases of conscience and spiritual matters , and not charles stuart king of england , &c. nor any other man upon the earth ; for let it not be understood that we deny his supremacy in opposition to the pope of rome , as if we should own the popes supremacy over the church , for that we do not , nor any man upon the earth , as i have said , but only iesus christ is principal in that relation , and to him we give the dominion in all the cases of his own kingdom ; but if owning his supremacy it be intended , whether we will own him to be head and ruler , as in the affairs of this nation , pertaining to mens persons and estates , without any relation to the worship of god , or matters of conscience , so we own him as i have before mentioned , and must be subject for conscience-sake in fulfilling all his commands whatsoever , either by doing or suffering ; and this is our principle which we are perswaded in , and resolved herein to continue and abide . e. b. to charles stuart , who is proclaimed king , and to all you that are called and known by the name of royal party & cavaleirs , and who have suffered in your cause , & for your principle . friends , the lord god who is greater than all , that doth whatsoever he will , hath given you a day , and you are raised up again out of your suffering state ; oh that you would consider the end of it , and wherefore the lord hath done , and suffered it to be done ; and that you would make right use and improvement unto god and this nation , of this your deliverance and promotion ; for certainly there hath been an absolute purpose in the counsel of the lord , that these things should be thus , and his hand hath even suffered it to be accomplished , even in a strange and marvellous way , through the confounding of your enemies , and giving of them up to the folly of their own hearts in their councils , that they should destroy themselves , and bring in you over their heads , and make you a mountain , and break down their mountain , and make it as a low valley ; and certainly these things are in the iustice of the lords hand , and it will be well for you if you can consider it , and acknowledge it : you have been a suffering people it is true , for these divers years , and orignally your suffering was partly just as from the lord , for there was a great measure of iniquity and oppression fulfilled in this nation , on the part of kings , and your sins were great against god ; wherefore the lord was iust in bringing affliction and tribulation upon you , to humble you , and he might iustly raise up others to reprove you , and to subdue you before them for a season ; and thus far even because of your iniquities which were great in the sight of god , your sufferings and afflictions were iust : but as for those that the lord made use of in the execution of your afflictions ; they are not justified in all what they did towards you , but they went beyond ( in violence and cruelty upon you ) what the lord called them unto ; and thereby they brought a great measure of guilt of injustice and cruelty upon their own consciences , in proceeding towards you beyond iustice and equity : though some of them might be more sincere and upright in the beginning of these things , when they began to war against you ; yet it too well appears that many of them soon lost the iust cause , and began to have respect to your estates and titles of honour , more than to free the nation from oppressions and vexations , though they pretended much thereunto , yet so it was that they became fouly corrupted in their way ; and though they subdued you , yet did they not free the nation , but became oppressors themselves no less than others before them , and they possessed your riches , and titles , ( yea and in great measure unjustly ) and then were exalted in ambition and vain-glory , and began to strive amongst themselves who should be the greatest , and set up this , and the other , and some cryed one way of government , and others another , and they pulled down and set up as they would , and cast down and exalted whom they would ; and thus they continued for some years , rowling up and down in confusion , and yet the nation under very great oppression and vexations , each one crying his burthen was the greatest , while they were exalted in their pride and riches , and lived at ease , notremembring the end wherefore they were first raised , nor keeping to sincere principles , but caused them to suffer deeply that were faithful to the lord , and walked with him in sincerity ; and all this while you were as asleep , and not thought upon by them , as if ever you should call them to an account ; but they thought that their strength was great , and their number many , and therein they gloryed having no true respect unto the lord ; and because hereof the lord justly confounded them in their counsels , when their measure was full , and made them weak as water ; and you are now justly raised up to reprove and correct them , even those , that have abused gods mercies to them , and that have forgotten god and sought to exalt themselves for ever , and had no respect unto the lord and his people ; though these things are not said of them , to upbraid them , nor to kindle your fury against them , to add misory upon their affliction , but they have already been told of their treachery , and what would come to pass ; and oh that they could now humble themselves before the lord , and confess to the iustice of this their affliction ; they might yet partake of his mercy , through great iudgments . and as for you , oh that you would consider these things , and by whose purpose you are restored , and from what cause , and for what end it is accomplished ! oh that you would mind what your work now is , and that you would not exceed your permission ! for you are raised up for an end , and there is a work for you to do , oh that you could do it with respect unto the lord , it should be the better for you ; oh those men that have long sate as princes in this nation , and pretended , and vowed , and promised reformation in church and state , but they have not done it as they ought , but as great oppressions and injustice , as great superstitions and idolatries , both in church and state , were continued and carried on in their dayes , as in dayes before them ; oh how abominable have these things been ! ( multitude of words might demonstrate ) but now their reproof and iudgment is come , and their fall is just upon them ; who should pitty them , or mourn for them , seeing they have deserved all this and much more which has yet happened unto them ? as some of them may confess ; and those things ( their treachery , unfaithfulness , & oppressions i mean ) must needs be avenged one way or another : how often hath it been foretold them , yea it hath been often said unto them , that god would bring them down and destroy their power ? they have been told that these things were not right , neither could they escape unavenged , and it new appears as if the day were come ; and if you must be their executioners , and must execute the wrath upon them , who shall prevent you ; or say unto you , stay your hand ? or rather who of them that sees these things , shall not be patient while you take vengeance for ths lords sake , and for the sake of his people , whom they have long vexed and opppessed ? nay , who of the lords people shall not say , let the lords will be done , and his iustice executed upon his enemies ? if this be your work that you are called to , must it not go on till it be finished ? they have been hard-hearted , and oppressors towards others ; and by a hard-hearted people , may not the lord justly deal with them , and be a plague unto them in that very manner , that they have sinned against him ? for this is usual with the lord , even to destroy oppressors by the wickedness of others , and often he rebukes the sin of a people , by a people as bad as themselves ; he may justly give unto men from the hands of others , what they love in their own hearts ; and even as those men have loved pride and ambition over others , and oppression and hard-heartedness towards others ; even so , and much more may justly be done unto them , and that according to the will of the lord ; and if this be your work designed you by the eternal hand , who shall prevent you ? but yet , oh that you would consider , and that you would have some respect unto the lord , lest you out-go the end of your restoration : you would indeed be happy , if you could forgive your enemies , if you could reward them good for their evil ; and you would be happy if you could not exceed the measure of your permission ; be not too hard-hearted towards them but shew mercy : and oh you must take heed lest you cause the righteous to suffer with the wicked , and that you cause not the innocent to groan and mourn in your execution of gods purpose upon the ungodly , you must be a ware lest while you punish offenders , you smite not them that are free ; oh that you had hearts this to understand , and that you could walk in the path of fulfilling gods pleasure , and not go further , ( i mean ) though you may be raised to be a plague upon hypocrites , and disobedient and treacherous men , and to avenge gods cause and his peoples ; but you are not raised to be oppressors of the lords people , nor to destroy his heritage , this is not your work ; god hath not called you to destroy and persecute them that fear his name , and tremble at his word , though you have power to be avenged on your enemies : and oh that your hearts could understand this , that you might distinguish in your proceedings , between executing of iustice upon transgressors , & persecution for conscience-sake ; the one you have to do , but the other is forbidden you of the lord , and you ought not to do it ; for if you persecute any for good conscience-sake , or because they are of such and such an assembly of people , and worships in such a way ; if you inflict tribulation upon any because hereof , or because they are such or such in their profession and religion , then you persecute for conscience-sake , and you go beyond the end , and by the path for which you were raised ; and if you turn your hand and power to persecute for good conscience-sake , then you divert the end and purpose of this your restoration , and the lord will require it of you , if that you go beyond his permission and assignment , and go beyond his pleasure in persecuting his people , and so turn your power to a wrong use and end ; o then the lord shall suddenly confound you , and he will find out instruments that shall fulfil his wrath , and iustice upon you , as he hath found you fit to execute wrath upon others ; and therefore do not , o do not persecute any for conscience-sake , if you have nothing against them but concerning their faith and worship , and their religion , do not lay your hand upon them , nor let them be touched ; for if you do , the lord will take it as a heinous offence against him , and in this life , or hereafter , he will plague you for it , and you shall not escape unpunished : and therefore i say once more to you , as the advice of your friend , let no man be persecuted for his faith , and for his religion-sake , but make a distinction between inflicting wrath upon offenders that have been hypocritical and deceitful , and that have made themselves rich through the ruins of others , and that will how to any thing , or any kind of worship for their own ends ; and between such who have a principle and do stand by it , and are humble and acted in the principles of sincerity , and follows that way of religion which they suppose and are perswaded is the best , and the rightest ; all such ought to have their liberty under you in their profession , and faith , and worship , and ought not to be persecuted while they live peaceably as men with one another , and towards all men ; and the god of heaven requires it of you , and your standing , or your fall , the blessing or the curse unto you , depends hereupon ; and this you shall find to be true unto you in the day of gods righteous iudgments : o therefore be not stout against the lord , but fear and tremble before him ; let his dread be upon your spirits , and do not offend him , nor provoke him against you and this nation , lest he tear you to pieces , and number you for destruction , lest he overturn you suddenly , and deface your glory in its morning : oh how happy would you be if you would regard the lord and reverence him , and take him before you , and not go beyond in any thing what his purpose and pleasure is , who hath given you this one day to try you , if so be that any of you shall learn his fear and turn from your iniquities , that you may be blessed and not confounded ; oh therefore consider what the will and purpose of the lord is towards you , and wherefore you are raised up , and may fulfil his purpose , and not your own : oh then this day should be made happy unto you ; but the contrary works , i mean , if you do oppress , and persecute , and seek to destroy his heritage , and rule in oppression and tyranny , then the god of heaven shall cut your day short , and diliverance he will bring to this poor nation without you , and even contrary to you , and his hand shall be turned upon you , and your mountain though never so great , and high , shall be laid low , and an infant of the heavenly birth shall leap over it , and shall say , where is that lofty babel that exalted it self ag●●●● my god ? and as for us , we are a very poor , contemned and despised people , even since we were a people unto this very day , and have nothing at this present , nor heretofore to glory in from any power that hath ruled ; but the power , spirit , and presence of god in our tribulations , afflictions , persecutions and unjust sufferings , these things have been our portion , even from all ; all have troden upon us in contempt and scorn , and accounted us as sheep for the slaughter , and we have not to glory in , any government that hath been since we were a people ; we cannot justifie one or another , but we say they have all been oppressors , and we have groaned with deep sighs unto the lord under the burden of their unrighteous dealing ; and herein we assent with you , if you say they have been unjust men , we say the same ; and if you say their government hath been oppression and unequal , we say the same ; if you say you have suffered cruelty and unrighteously by them , we say the same ; if you lay they have ruled by will and forci , more then by law and equity , we verifie the same ; and if you can say you have suffered afflictions and tribulation by them , so have we in another manner , and far more unjustly : wherefore we cannot justifie them , nor will not plead for them in opposition to you ; but we partly beleive we may receive as much equity and good reason from some of you , as we did from some of them ; and thus we have been a suffering people even without cause : and at this day we are threatned by the rage of men as if we should be cut off and destroyed ; but we regard not those things , but do respect the lord , whom we fear and worship in our hearts ; and if we outwardly perish among them that may perish , yet it is for righteousness sake , and because of the matters of gods kingdom , which we hold ; and if you do destroy us for this cause we are clear , and innocent blood will be upon you , and the guilt thereof will sink you into misery here , or hereafter . oh take heed and desilenot your selves , nor load your consciences with our guiltless sufferings as many others have done before you , even to their ruin and wofull destruction ; you are yet in a great measure clear from our oppressions ; we have not much iniquity yet to charge upon you in our cause of afflictions : oh it will be well for you if you keep your selves clear , the less will be your iudgement , and the better success will you have in your cause ; for friends , the weight of innocent blood it hath a loud cry , and god will hear it ; and if you burthen yourselves with it , it will soon overweigh you , therefore keep clear , and condemn them by your practises , that have said they would not persecute for good conscience sake , but have done it , even contrary to all pretences and engagements ; and if you who professe not so much in words towards that thing , would do it , how should your practise condemn their hypocrisie in the sight of god , men , and angels ? but however i warn you , and do leave it at your door ; and do say unto you , persecution for conscience sake , is the crying sin , which drawes down vengeance upon kings and governments , be you warned through the fall of others least confusion come upon you , as it hath come upon many others for that cause ; and be not too confident in your way , nor too furious against your enemies , but remember your breath is in your nostrils , and he that gave it you , can soon take it away . and as for you , we have no enmity towards any of you , nor do we sick the hurt of your persons , nor can we rise up in rebellion against you , or seek your destruction by craft or policy , neither indeed can we seek covenant or league with you by flattery ; it is true you are yell in authority over us outwardly , and as you are so , we shall ●d subjection to you in any of your just commands ; and in all things it is our principle to obey you , either by doing or suffering ; yet we cannot bow , nor fawn nor flatter , nor deny our principle , nor our religion of which we are perswaded by the spirit of god in our consciences , that it is right and according to god ; but i say , we cannot revoke our principle , neither for advantage to our selves , nor yet to save our lives ; you must find us constant , & not changeable as others are , who turn every way for their own advantage , and ery up this or the other , and pray and fight on the behalf of any thing which may make for their advantage , but god is grieved with such spirits ; yet we are otherwise minded , and must only own your government and authority as it is just and brings forth righteousness , so we can own it , and bow before it ; but as otherwise , if it be unjust and oppression , we must patiently suffer under it , whatsoever you have power to do ; and this is all the peace we can make with you , or the engagement that we can bind our selves in towards you , though we cannot but own that this day is given you , either in mercy or in judgement to you , yea , and we cannot but own that you may be gods executioners ; yea , what if we say , that you may be raised up to avenge our cause upon our oppressors , though still we must bear witness against that wicked , loose , prophane spirit , that lives and abounds in some of you , and among you , and workes unrighteousness even to the dishonour of god , throughout this nation ; this spirit we bear witness against that it is evil , and brings forth bad effects in every city , and town , throughout the land , whereby the lord is provoked against you , and this nation in an high measure ; oh that you would consider of it while there is time to be corrected and amended ! before it have brought forth unpardonable iniquities , which it hastens to fulfill , and draws down wickedness as with cords ; oh the excessiveness in drinking and other vanities ! oh what destroying of the good creatures ! it greives the hearts of the righteous , and vexeth the sober minded to consider it ; and also their is a great deal of hipocrisie and deceitfull-heartedness amongst many : i have considered this thing , and it is a vexation to the lord , and cannot but be detestable to you ; even in that many contrary to their principles , engagements , and promises , covenants , do now cry you up for to save themselves , their lives and estates , who have been deeply engaged against you publiquely and privately , and yet now in hypocrisie are fallen in with you ; such their proceedings are loathsome to god , and your present cause is no better because of such ; though as for some of you that have stood to your principle , and suffered for it this long while , in your state , you are more honourable and rather justified . oh , let the king fear and reverence the eternal god , knowing he is but mortal man , and his breath in his nostrils , and let him keep himself clear from persecution for conscience-sake , for that will destroy kings and governments who are guilty thereof ; and let him be meek and sober , and take the lord before him in all his proceedings , or else he cannot prosper ; his day , and time is now present , that gods purpose is to try him , if he rule in righteousness and truth , in equity and iustice , he may be blessed ; but if otherwise he govern , and walk not in reverence to the lord and spare his people ; the god of heaven shall rebuke him , and deliver his people another way . consider of these things in a sober mind , read them over in meekness . this was written about the middle of the 3d. month called may . from a lover of your souls , edw. burrough . a few queries i do return to you , for you to consider and answer , relating to the present affairs and proceedings in this nation , even to all you , that are called and known by the name of royallists and cavaliers , that are really so , and have suffered for that cause . query 1. to what do you attribute the first cause of the advancement of this present government ? and whether or no ye believe , that there was any thing of the purpose and hand of the lord , by intending and bringing these things about , without expectation by you , and contrary to the great strength of your enemies , who are suddenly of a great and high mountain , made a low valley ; and you of a low and troden down valley , suddenly raised up into a great mountain ? and to what do you attribute this changing and overturning of power , and authority , and rulers , even them that have been as princes and potentates , to be rebels ; and them that have been accounted as rebels and traitors , to be rulers and governours ; i say , to what do you attribute these things , on their first cause , whether to the pollicy of some , or to accident . or to good fortune ( as some call it ? ) or whether you believe in your consciences , that the lord god by his secret power hath purposed and suffered the effecting and accomplishing of these things ? quer. 2. and if you believe that there is any thing of the band and purpose of the lord , in doing , or suffering these transactions ; then wherefore , and for what cause do you believe hath he done these things ? is it because you are more righteous in the sight of god than they who are cast out before you ; and because he loveth you , and hateth them ? or whether it is not because they have proved treacherous and deceitful , and not answered unto the lord what he requireth of them , but sought themselves , and forgot the lord , and took your estates and titles of honour upon them , and pretended a better government , and to govern better than that way of monarchical government , but did not , but were oppressors even as others before them ? and is not this the iust cause , wherefore the lord hath suffered these overturnings ? may not we justly ( that are neither of you ) attribute this to be the very cause , wherefore the lord hath brought them down , and raised up you over them ; whereas if they had repented of their sins , and been faithful to what the lord required of them , and what themselves pretended to , and had indeed governed iustly and righteously , and freed the oppressed , and answered unto the lord in an equal government according to his law ? whether may it not be believed , that these things had never thus been brought to pass ? quer. 3. whether or no you believe that there is a god so mighty in power , and so wise in counsel and purpose , that can turn , and overturn you and your power , and lay you low even as others ; and raise up others who are now as low as you hàve been for divers years , whether you believe that there is a god , that by his power can effect such a thing , and accomplish it in his wisdom ? and whether do you not believe in your consciences , that he will do it , if you do not please him and fear his name , and forsake allwickedness ; and if you be oppressors and cruel-heated as others have been , and do not rule in righteousuoss and equity ? and whether you believe not , that the lord doth watch over you , with his eye that sees you , and marks all your wayes ? whether do you consider , that the lord looks for good fruit from you , and that you should free the land from oppression ? which if you answer not the will of the lord in what he requires , whether do not you believe , that he is so wise in counsel , and mighty in power , that he can and will , whether by means , or without means , overturn and confound you and your government ? quer. 4. whether you believe in your consciences , and do acknowledge unto god , that there was any thing of his iustice in your late sufferings for these divers years ? or whether all of them , or no part of that suffering , which hath been upon you , were any whit iust as from the lord ? and whether there was not a great measure of iniquity filled up in monarchical government ; and a great measure of oppression upon the poor people of this nation , by their lords and great men ? and whether this rebuke and reproof that you have had in this measure of suffering that hath been upon you , was not in some measure iust as from the lord ; that you might be humbled before him ; though it is by me acknowledged that your enemies ( these i mean ) who are now cast out before you ; brought great guilt upon themselves , in executing wrath upon you , in that , and because they proceeded further , and into more bitterness , and cruelty towards you , then they had either commission or authority from god ; but whether there was not a iustice as from the lord in that which partly befel you ? and was not his hand many times against you in battel , though number nor valour was not wanting on your part , yet are not you sensible how by a secret hand you were often defeated , and victory given to your enemies , though the less in number ? and were not these things in the iustice of the lords hand ? whether do you not believe it , and acknowledge it ? quer. 5. whether or no you do intend any reformation from old oppressions ? or whether you intend to tread in the very steps and to walk in the very path in every particular of government , as it stood & was carryed on in the beginning of charles the first his dayes ? and whether you ought not in the sight of god and before him , to consider how to relieve the oppressed , and break off all cruel bonds of injustice , & how a government may be set up , which may be answerable to the lord , & not unto your own and other corrupted mens ends ? but if you shall do so , whether do you answer the end or deny the end , wherefore the lord hath thus dealt with you , in giving of you this day unexpected , and contrary to all your enemies ? and whether do you not believe , that god hath set you between good and evil , between right and wrong , between doing of his will and the will of the devil , in the doing and fullfilling one or the other by you , whether doth not depend happiness and blessedness upon you ; or the woe and the curse , your standing or your fall , your renown or your dishonour perpetually ? quer. 6. whether or no you do not believe in your consciences , that the prosperity , and continuance , and happiness of this your government to your selves , the king , and kingdomes ; or the unhappiness , overthrow , misery , and confusion of the government it self , the king and these nations , doth not stand and wholly depend upon the government and authority , as it proceedeth in iustice , righteousness and equity , or as it is , and proceedeth contrary , and is injustice , oppression , and unrighteousness ? and if therein it stand , whether do you believe in your consciences that god shall bless it , and prosper it ; or he shall destroy it , and confound it ? for is not the hand of the lord stretched forth in mercy , or in iudgment accordingly as men walketh in his fear , or without his fear ? and whether if your cause be iust in it self , yet if-you walk in unrighteousness , and ungodliness , and oppression , and cruelty , whether may not you thereby destroy your cause and loose it , and provoke the lord to anger against you , and your cause , to confound you , and destroy you ? and whether you do seriously consider of this ? and is it not your duty so to do ? and ought you not to endeavour to stop this flood of wickedness that is broken out ? which if it it be not stopped may provoke god against you , to overthrow your proceedings . quer. 7. what is the very end of rule and government outward in this world ? and for what cause did god at the first ordain it ? whether upon this , or not , really consider ; was it not that evil doers might be punished ; and them that did well , might be praised ? and was not the outward law added because of transgrssion , and to punish transgressors ; but for the preserving of the peaceable and meek , who walked in the law of god ; and when the people had forgotten god , and his law in their hearts , and his power that executed iudgment and meroy ; was it not then that the law outward was added , and committed into the hands of men to execute upon such as regarded not the law of god in their hearts ? and is not this the very end of rule and government , and magistracy , at this very day ? whether ought it to be extended further than only over and concerning the affairs of the outward man , to keep that in good order , not to be a load and burthen , and vexation , and bondage upon a nation and people ; but to suppress that which would load and burthen , and oppress the creation and people , that all men may be preserved in their just right , and not vex and oppress one anothers persons and estates ? and if your government be not from this ground and for this very end , shall it ever be blessed and happy , either to the governors or governed ? quer. 8. what do you believe of , and concerning liberty of conscience , in all matters appertaining to the kingdome of god ? whether ought not you to give that liberty in your government , that every man and all sorts of people may believe in god , and worship god according as he or they shall suppose and be perswaded in his or their consciences ; provided still , that he and they annoy not , or oppress his or their neighbors person or estate ? for if he or they do that , then he and they go out of the true faith , and breaks the law of god ; and the outward law is to take hold of him and them : but whether it is not a just right , and may justly be allowed from you , to all the people of this nation , to live under what ministry , and under what worship , and to go to what assemblies , as they shall suppose or be perswaded in their consciences is the best and rightest ? and whether or no it be not gods proper right alone to be ruler and lord over mens consciences , and that he alone should prescribe , instruct , and teach faith , worship , and duty , in all things in the matters of his own kingdome ? and whether god hath committed that power and authority , ever since the dayes of christ , to any emperor , king , or other ruler whatsoever , to be lord , and to exercise lordship , in , and over mens consciences in the matters appertaining to gods kingdome ? and whether it is not gods only and alone peculiar priviledge to be lord there ; and not any man to impose one upon another in spiritual matters ? and whether you your selves would be imposed upon in such case ? ( that is ) whether you would have such a church-government and ministry , imposed upon you , upon such or such a penalty , which you know , or believe , or suppose is not right , nor according to god , nor suiting with your own consciences ? and then how can you with good conscience in the sight of god , impose upon others , whenas your selves would not be imposed upon in such a case ? quer. 9. whether or no , if that you cause any to suffer loss , or be afflicted in person , or estate , for and because of their conscience sake ( that is ) because they are of such a faith , and of such a worship , and of such a principle in religious matters , though different from others and from you ; yet if they walk honestly , and soberly , and peaceably as men , and not plotting and contriving any mischief in the nation : i say , if you cause any such to suffer upon that account , while you can charge nothing against them , but matters of faith and iudgment , and opinion in spiritual things ; again i say , whether or no such suffering is not absolute persecution , ( and innocent on his or their part that so suffereth any injustice , cruelty , tyranny , and oppression ) on your part that doth inflict ? and will not the lord require it of you , if you bring innocent blood , and cruel sufferings upon your selves ? and is not that innocent blood which is spilt , and unjust , and cruel sufferings which is inflicted upon a man or a people , for his and their conscience , and religions-sake , when no matter of wrong or evil dealing amongst men , and in that relation , is , or can be charged upon them ? and whether do you not believe , that god will avenge such a suffering , which is for conscience sake , upon the heads of the causers and inflictors of it in his day and season ? quer. 10. whether or no you have not so much reason and conscience in you , as will give you to descern , and cause you to put a difference between such , who have acted and been zealous against you , from corrupt principles of self-seeking , and have raised themselves into worldly honour , and great estates through your suffering and losses , and have lorded it over you in ambition ; though now such may bow under you , and fawn upon you ? i say ; whether will you not , or whether ought you not , to put a difference both in respect of guiltiness in your cause of suffering , and in respect of your dealing towards them in reward , and between such as have formerly acted against you , upon sober , reasonable principles , and have not raised themselves to honour and great riches , not by your afflictions , but ceased to act against you , when they perceived the wickedness , and injustice , and evil proceedings of your enemies ? ( and many such there are ) and whether or no you have not so much reason and equity in your consciences , as to put a difference between such in your proceedings towards them ? quer. 11. what is the truest honour that can be given to the king , and his government ; and wherein , and in what kind of words , and actions , and practises , doth true honour consist ? and whether or no you do believe in your consciences , that these kind of practises , as drinking healths , and bonfires , and this exceeding lewdness , and wickedness brought forth in the nation , by way of rejoycing for the king , and his government , be true honour , and rightly honourable proceedings , and practises , to him and his government ? or whether these things and wayes be not wofully dishonourable unto you and him , and this whole nation : and the cause wherefore the wrath of god may justly come upon the whole nation it self ; if these things be not speedily repented of , and forsaken ? and whether the life and practise , and subjection of an upright qvaker ( so called ) whose principle is to obey all just commands , and patiently to suffer under all that which is unjust , and that lives in meekness , and fear , and soberness , and love towards all men ; whether or no such men , and such practises , are not more honourable , and blessed in the sight of god and men , than this kind of rudeness and wickedness , singning , and drunkenness , ringing , and swearing , and 〈◊〉 ribbins and feathers about themselves , and their horses , and many other things which are said to be done in honour to the king and his government ? but whether there be not a principle in your consciences , which dothrather condemn your selves , ●han iustifie you for these things , and rather iustifies a sober life , and is not that more blessed ? quer. 12. whether or no all that cry you up , and your government , do it really , and out of good conscience , and from principles of sincerity ? or whether they are turned to you in feignedness , and hypocrisie , and to save their heads and estates , which some of them have gotten , even such as have been your enemies , and preached , and prayed , and fought against you , and now cryes you up , and prayes for you ; but whether can you trust that these will be faithful to you , that thus denies their former wayes , and religion , and worship ? and whether thus to deny their principles , their faith , their religion , their former oaths , and engagements , is commendable , and iustifiable in the sight of god and you ? or whether a quaker ( so called ) that will stand to his principles , and not deny his faith , nor religion , though he suffer for it , nor will bow and bend in hypocrisie under every sort of men , is not more iustifiable and commendable in the sight of god and your consciences also ? i say , do they not condemn these hypocrites , that have fought against you , and prayed against you , and yet now bowes under you with deceitful hearts in the time of their danger ? quer. 13. whether or no you do not believe , and know in your consciences , that the quakers ( so called ) are a sober , innocent , and harmless people , and of an upright conversation , dealing justly towards all , and such as doth not envy the persons of any , not plot and project mischeif towards you or any ? and whether if you should proceed to persecute , and seek to destroy such a people , concerning whom you have such a witness in your consciences , iustifying them as aforesaid , would not be greatly unjust in the sight of god , and the very cause , to provoke god to destroy you , and your proceedings , if so be that you persecutethem for their conscience sake , while they live soberly and uprightly as men , and injureth no mans person or estate by their religion ? quer. 14. whether or no you do not believe , or may not have just cause to believe , that your present proceedings are not , and may not prove to be the very natural cause of outward , visible , external iudgements upon you and the nation , even iudgments of pestilence and famine ? and do not you proceed in the very path hereof ? is not your spending the creation in such excessive manner , in eating and drinking , and wasting the good creation after this manner as you do ; whether is not this a natural cause to bring want and poverty , and also oppressing your very bodies with excessiveness in drunkenness , inflaming your selves through excessiveness of wine and beer , and through the abounding of lust , and uncleanness , through excesse ; and as well defiling , and oppressing your very persons , as wasting the creation by so doing ; whether this is not a very natural cause to bring and beget pestilence and famine ( besides your provoking the lord through this means ) as being works in themselves hateful and abominable in his sight , and for which cause he may justly bring wrath and iudgements , even plague and famine , if there were no other cause for it ? and whether you ought not seriously to consider of this thing , and to turn from these transgressions , which are natural causes of great iudgements , and also provokes the lord to hasten and inflict iudgement : oh that the sober minded among you would lay this to heart . consider these queries in the spirit of soberness , for they are worth your regarding , & be not high-minded , nor wicked in your way , least the lord who hath all power in his hand meet you , and bring you down and destroy your cause , which he can do , if you provoke him . this was written in the middle of the 3d. month called may . 1660. e. b. the end . notes, typically marginal, from the original text notes for div a30561e-170 see g. fox his paper directed to the parliament and army so called . * but this is not meant of the kings's death . a returne to the ministers of london by way of answer to their seasonable exhortations, (so called) directed to their congregations : with sober reproof sent unto them, because of their secret smitings against the despised people called quakers, whom they have secretly reproached in their said exhortation ... / by e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30538 of text r22000 in the english short title catalog (wing b6021). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 72 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 16 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30538 wing b6021 estc r22000 12261151 ocm 12261151 57906 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30538) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 57906) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 861:19) a returne to the ministers of london by way of answer to their seasonable exhortations, (so called) directed to their congregations : with sober reproof sent unto them, because of their secret smitings against the despised people called quakers, whom they have secretly reproached in their said exhortation ... / by e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. [2], 29 p. printed for robert wilson ..., london : 1660. reproduction of original in huntington library. attributed to edward burrough by bm. eng society of friends -persecutions. a30538 r22000 (wing b6021). civilwar no a returne to the ministers of london; by way of answer to their seasonable exhortations, (so called) directed to their congregations. with s burrough, edward 1660 13149 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 b the rate of 2 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the b category of texts with fewer than 10 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-01 aptara keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-02 olivia bottum sampled and proofread 2004-02 olivia bottum text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a returne to the ministers of london ; by way of answer to their seasonable exhortations , ( so called ) directed to their congregations . with sober reproof sent unto them , because of their secret smitings against the despised people called quakers , whom they have secretly reproached in their said exhortation . and this is written for the better information of them and their particular congregations , and that truth may be exalted , and deceipt and iniquity may bow and tremble . by e. b. london , printed for robert wilson , at the black-spread-eagle and windmill in martins , near aldersgate , 1660. a return to the ministers of london , by way of answer to their seasonable exhortation , ( so called ) &c. 1 forasmuch as you the ministers in and about london , have sent forth a seasonable exhortation ( as you call it ) to the people of your congregations , which i have seen , read , and considered , and do find something therein worthy of answer ; for the end that people may be satisfied concerning things doubtful , which are in controversie this day among many ; for it is well known the controversie hath been long , and is grown very high between us and you , concerning church , ministry , and religion : and divers things in your exhortation are doubtful unto many , and that all doubts may be removed , if possible , therefore i do return what follows as an answer unto you . whereas you say , you are not ignorant of the prejudices and prepositions , wherewith the carnal world is leavened , concerning your calling , office , and doctrines , and what clamours , and fiery contentions , abound for them every where , that pleads christs cause in the gates , &c. answ. as for your calling , office , and doctrine , there is much to be said against them , in and by the spirit of the lord , for your calling and office , is not according to the example of scriptures , though the calling and office of ministers of the gospel hath example in the scriptures , yet as you are called into your office , that is not according , but rather contrary to the scriptures : and as for your doctrine , it is in some things unsound also . now as for seasonable exhortations of ministers to people , i do acknowledge that is a duty which ought to be done , but how seasonable and sound your exhortations are , that remains to betryed ; and it is not only the carnal world , as you speak , that are doubtful concerning your calling and office , but it is the best of the people , whose eyes the lord is opening , to see and behold the false imitations of the calling and office of ministers , as you have stood for many generations . and it is true , them that pleads christs cause , they all cryed out upon , and contended with , but this fully belong not to you , though you apply it to your selves , but it pertains more to others , for the world speaks well of you , as it use to do of false prophets . and you say , we the ministers of the gospel in the city of london , do with earnestness exhort the people of this city , to awaken , as out of sleep , and to lay to heart , the great dangers that threatens you , which you represent under a threefold consideration . 1 the fear of the return of popery . 2 the distracted estate of religion amongst us . 3 other symptomes of gods wrath hanging over your heads . answ. that you are ministers of the gospel , this is doubtful unto many , and many more testimonies might be given to the contrary , than can be given for it . but this is not the present debate , and therefore no more of it . and what , is the people of your congregations yet asleep ? have not you awakened them in so many years time ? have you been preaching over them , and taking their money so long , and are they yet to awaken , as out of sleep ? will not the blame of this , and the condemnation of it fall upon you their watchmen , who hath not yet awakened them ? and may not they say that you have dealt unjustly by them , who are left as asleep under all your preaching , and are yet unsensible of the danger that threatens them ? oh friends ! will you consider , and your people with you , what you have been preaching , and what they have been hearing for so long a time , seeing you now acknowledge they are yet asleep , and unawakened . now as to the first of your considerations , the fear of the return of popery , for which you lay down divers things to make the people believe it : first , the union of forreign popish powers : secondly , the vast numbers ( say you ) of popish emissaries and iesuites that swarms amongst you : thirdly , the vending and printing of so many popish books every year , &c. answ. as for popery , i know it is idolatry , and their church and worship , and every part thereof abomination to the lord , and the spirit that leads them , is not the spirit of jesus ; and as for popery , it was never yet truly cleanse out of the nation , but there hath been , and are great remainders yet standing , which may indeed easily prove its former strength : for is not the most part of the worship of the church of england made up of such things , as was first instituted and practised amongst the papists , witness , the making ministers by natural learning , at schools and colledges , and their maintenance by tythes , and yearly stipends , and their way of parochial settlements , are not all these things papistical ? and witness sprinkling infants , calling it the baptisme into the visible church , and witness the singing of davids psalms , as now they are sung among you , these things for the most part are of popish institution , and many other things also pertaining to your church , religion , and ministry , so that popery was never clean cast out of the nation , though the lord hath wounded it , yet there is the remainder of it yet standing in great force , so that while tythes are pleaded for by you , and those things practised by you , it may indeed be feared , the return of popery , seeing you stick so fast in those practises which were of popish institution , and the cause of fear lies at your door , and upon your selves principally , and if there be vast numbers of popish priests and iesuites swarming amongst you , if you be ministers of christ , why do you not discover wolves in sheeps cloathing , and fright then away ? why do you not lift up your spiritual weapons , ( if you have them ) as the apostles did ? whose weapons were powerful and mighty through god , and who shall bear the blame but you , if wolves in sheeps cloathing tear your flocks ? that is a sign you are lazy idle shepherds , and that you want the power and authority of god , and when the powers of the earth fails you , and your carnal weapons are all broken , then you are like to be overcome with the swarming of popish priests and iesuites , if there be any such among you look you to it , for i know not any , and if you know any by name , and where they are , you ought by your law to discover them . now ( you say ) they are acting under the disguise of sectaries , and subtilly insinuating many of their doctrines , as teaching justification by inherent righteousness ; perfection , unlawfulness in joyning in your ordinances , and nullity of your ministry &c. answ. now these that you call sectaries , may truly plead against you , against your church , worship , ministry and practises , upon good grounds ; and as for iustification by inherent righteousness , it is a doctrine of the church of christ , that the saints witnessed christ , and his righteousness within them , and that none are justified by any righteousness without them , but who witness christ revealed in them , for all are reprobates that do not witness christ in them , 2 cor. 13. 5. and as for perfection , that is the doctrine of the gospel , and of christ , for the apostles spake wisdome to them that were perfect , 1 cor. 2 6. and christ commanded them to be perfect , mat. 5. who never commanded impossibilities . you might better have charged these doctrines upon the apostles , than upon the papists ; and as for joyning to your ordinances , there is many that fears god , who are not papists , that for good conscience sake cannot joyn to your ordinances , nor own your ministry , neither in its call , practise , nor maintenance ; and if these things were in dispute , i should shew you , according to scripture , that it is not lawful for the saints of god , to joyn themselves to your ordinances , nor own your ministry ; but it is lawful for them both to deny your ordinances and ministry in their present standing ; and as for printing and vending so many popish books as you say , oh it had been your wisdome to have mentioned , the books by name , that all might have known which were popish books ; but because your charge is general , i cannot answer particularly , either to clear or to condemn , except you had mentioned in particular , which you ought to have done , rather then to have slandered in the dark . your fourth reason , whereby you would make your people believe , that there is fear of the return of popery , is , that the whole body almost of popery is published by sectaries , especially quakers ; and you say you cannot but observe a ready co-incidency with papists in their opinions , &c. answ. as for the quakers , which you have long opposed by prisons , goals , and persecutions , and your carnal weapons , and now also charge great things upon them , to make them odious to the people . alas , do you not know that they are blessed of the lord ? is there never a man among you sixty one priests , so wise as balaam was , he saw there was no inchantment against israel , nor durst he curse whom god had blessed ; but however , they have borne with patience ( and they do therein continue ) all that you have caused to be acted , and all that you have spoken against them , and your words and works against them shall be your own burthen in the day of the lord , and shall sink you into misery , who hath made the innocent people the people of your malice and fury , but god is with them , i need say nothing : and why have you not particularly instanced what particular part of popery they do publish ? why will you charge in secret , and prove nothing in particular ? therefore i do charge you to mention , what particular things they do publish which is popery , and not the truths of the gospel , and then you shall have a further answer . your fifth reason is , jesuitical designs , and you mention the protestant universities , and the impoverishing ; and disgracing , and overthrowing a godly learned ministry , &c. answ. as for the vniversities , thousands are satisfied concerning them , that they are of popish institution , and are not the fountains of divinity , as they have been falsly called , for its possible i could give large testimonies of the wickedness of the educations which is these in those places , and how little good they learn , and how much evil ; but you have stated the cause wrong , for the plucking down the vniversities would rather seem to be the removing part of popery , than to be the way to let in popery : and as for a godly ministry , that is truly godly ; and truly learned , alas there is no fear of impoverishing , disgracing , and overthrowing of that , for that is alwayes poor and low , and contemptible to the world , and so it must be ; and it is antichrists ministers that feares to be made poor , and that their tythes and stipends should be made less , and it is they that fear to be overthrown , and not the ministers of christ , for the ministers of christ are out of all such fears , because their standing and falling depends not upon earthly powers , but are builded upon the rock of ages , and cannot be overthrown . your sixth ground is , toleration for popery is publikely pleaded for in print , &c. answ. that popery is idolatry , and the church of rome 2 false church , that i have said , and i hope shall never renounce it , but shall alwayes give testimony , until death , against the church of rome ; but i must tell you plainly , it is not my judgement that the papists ought to be burned for their religion , or if a iesuite be taken in england , i would have him so tolerated , that he should not have his life taken away by inhumano cruelty , not for religions sake , except something can be charged upon him , besides , matters of his religion , or conscience : this is my judgement , that both the papists and you are antichristian , ( in this ) in that you kill each other , when they take one of your ministers , and you theirs , to destroy each other : this is not of god , but of the dragons power in both , and there ought to be more toleration in both , that lives may be spared ; and you ought to conquer with spiritual weapons , if that you have them , and not to kill and murther persons , but to judge spirits ; that is contrary to scripture , and the apostles example , to destroy mens lives for religion sake : and why may not the papists have toleration , in matters concerning god , as well as others : so those that plead for their toleration upon this account , that they may be converted from sin , and not destroyed in their sin ; this is no error , that their lives may be spared , but to plead for their toleration , as the right religion , this is sin . and thus your sixth ground , wherefore you fear the return of popery , is answered . now i come to the second consideration , which is , the present distracted estate of religion , which you say is evidenced in divers particulars : first , your division in civil and spiritual things , so that the wonted love and communion in holy duties , is interrupted , strangenesse and distances fomented , censures and hard opinions of each others entertained , &c. answ. here is your error , for true religion is not distracted nor divided in it self , but it is one in unity and peace , and so are all they that are in it , their hearts being united by the spirit of the lord , in their faith practise , and worship , and in all things pertaining to their religion : it s true , there is distraction amongst all the false sects and churches upon the earth , and it must be so , babilon is divided , and confounded in its self , and one part of it against another , so the distractions is among your selves , among papists , prelates , presbyters , and the rest , tearing and rending one another about church-worship , and religion , all like wolves in sheeps cloathing , biting one another , being divided in civil and spiritual things , one crying for this , and another for the other way of government in church and state , and you are out of the true love , and true communion in holy duties , and interrupts one another , and what one saith is right , another saith is wrong ; and all this is in babilon , among your selves , and none of it among them that are in the true religion , and in true church-vnion , who are gathered by the spirit of the lord . your second evidence of the distracted estate of religion ( as you say ) is the many horrid and hideous errors , which for some years past have abounded amongst us , against the authority of scriptures , the diety of christ , the holy ghost , trinity of persons , immortality of souls , doctrines of repentance , humiliation , sanctification , resurrection from the dead , the eternal recompence of heaven and hell , yea , divers sects encreasing every day in numbers , power , and malice , and under the names of quakers , ranters , seekers , &c. oppugning the received doctrine , and unquestionable interest of christ iesus amongst us . answ. that many horrid errors have abounded amongst you , that 's very true , as in many particulars might be instanced : but why do you maliciously charge the quakers with opposing the interest of christ jesus ? the lord shall judge you in his day , when he makes it appear to all the world , that those whom you charge with the contrary , are the very friends of christs interest , and have been patient sufferers for his name sake , under the wickedness of your generation ; and as for the ranters , seekers , and others , whom you have reckoned up together with the quakers , it is well known that we are in opposition in spirit unto all these , and have given large testimony in the fear of god against them , though it is certain , that there is many as upright and sincere men towards god amongst these sects you have mentioned , as any of your congregations ; and though in some things they are condemnable , yet in some things they are as justifiable as you are , before the lord : and what the seekers , ranters , familists , and the rest mentioned by you do hold , as in these things you have charged them with , i le leave that , for i am not now pleading their cause , but the cause of god and his people , whom you in scorn call quakers ; and though you have joyned them in accusation with others , yet i must separate them from others in my answer , and must tell you in the fear of the lord , that you have belied them , and falsly accused them out of your malicious hearts , for they do not deny the authority of the scriptures , but gives that authority to them , which the spirit of god that gave them forth have formerly given , neither do they deny the deity of christ , but do say , in him dwelleth the fulness of the godhead ; neither do they deny the holy spirit , nor the father , son , and spirit , but say there are three , and these three are one ; but as for your trinity of persons , that is language besides the scriptures ; and we do affirm the soul is immortal , and as for the doctrines of repentance , humiliation , sanctification , resurrection from the dead , the eternal recompence of heaven and hell , these doctrines are publickly held forth by them in words , and also in practise , more than by your selves ; therefore with what face you could charge them with the denial of these things , it is almost wonderful ; and there are thousands of your congregations that are and have been sometimes hearing in your city , that shall bear witness against your accusations , and give evidence that they have heard them , whom you call quakers , give faithful witness of , and for all these things which you charge them with denial of : do you think that your congregations are all so blind as to receive for truth what you herein have spoken , nay , i must tell you , some of them are offended with you because hereof . first , in that you have reckoned the quakers with ranters , and others , between whom there is absolute opposition , and not agreement , neither in doctrine nor practise . secondly , that you should charge the quak with such things as they are altogether clear of , and known to be so by many ; but this is , that your folly and weakness might appear , and as you speak of encreasing every day in number , power , and malice , some part of this is true , for the lord doth encrease his people daily in number , and power , by his spirit , but not in malice , and that is your torment , the encrease of the quakers , which as they have begun to encrease , so the lord will continue them , and you nor mortal men shall not be able to hinder , neither the magistrates persecution , nor the ministers instigation thereunto , though you have joyned hand in hand against them , for the lord is with his people , and his authority and power is their defence , and they are not in empty formes ( as you say ) but in the power of godliness ; and as for your ordinances and ministry , of which you speak , something i have said to it already , and more i shall say hereafter . your third evidence is , the odious scandalls of those that profess themselves to be the people of god , as their self seeking , their unparaellel'd breach of all civil and sacred oaths , whereby the mouth of iniquity is opened , and the reverence of religion abated , so that to us ( say you ) there appeares no visible way of repairing the credit of strict profession , but by a severe punishment of professors , &c. answ. it is true , many that do professe themselves the people of god , but are not , but by their lives and practises gives odious scandalls , and are self-seeking , as you say ; but upon whom the guilt of this may truly be charged , that remains to be sought out , doubtlesse it lies as neer your doors as any others , for is not your pride and oppression by taking tithes , and suing people at law for wages , and casting them in prison , because for good conscience sake they cannot pay you , your seeking for your gain from your quarter , and your taking great sums of money , and preaching for hire , taking so much yearly , are not these odious scandalls , and very self-seeking practices which you are guilty of , while you pretend publique good ? as for breaches of oaths and covenants , i wish you to search your own hearts , for that iniquity doth lye as near your generation as any others , witnesse that you and your brethren have from time to time engaged to such and such things : as first , did not you engage for the government to be without king , and house of lords ? and did not you then cry up the protector , contrary to your engagements , and now cry up another : and thus it is very evident , that the guilt of breach of oaths & covenants , lies neer unto your selves , which indeed opens the mouth of iniquity ; for the very cavaliers and prelates say , you were once strict in your way , but now you have struck hands with them , and are now your selves doing that which you cryed out against in them ▪ and thousands in this nation is abated in their affections from your church and ministry , as knowing them to be upon a false foundation , and to be of babylon , and not of the heavenly ierusalem : and what do you mean by severe punishment of professors ? do you mean to set up ecclesiastical lawes again , and that all must be forced to your church way and religion ? is it in your hearts to drive the nation by force , and if they will not , to punish them with fire , and faggot , and prisons ? if this be your meaning , as may justly be supposed it is , the lord deliver the nation from you , this is not the way to gain the credit of religion , but the further you go on in this way , as you have formerly walked in , the more will your profession and religion stink in the nostrils of all good men . your fourth evidence is , immensity , & boundless liberty permitted , assumed , & freely practised by many , to write , print and publish all manner of blasphemies and opinions , &c. the sad and woful effects thereof appears in many , some being in apostacy , others in luke-warmnesse , and much decay in the power of godlinesse , &c. answ. as i have acknowledged there are without doubt many errors , blasphemies , and false oppinions extant in this nation , both written , published , and maintained , but upon whom , and what sort of men this can truly be charged , this is very doubtful to many ; and your charge being onely general , no particular answer can well be given , only it appears , you would have none to write , print , and publish , but your selves , or by your consent ; and you would tye the nation up in the bondage of your own spirits ; and you would be the only judges of blasphemies and errors ; but that we allow not , for enemies must not be judges , and it is very possible that such is your darknesse , that you may call truth error , and error truth in some particulars , but if you shall instance any particular doctrines , blasphemies , errors , and opinions , published and maintained , in my next i shall freely give my witness against them , if they be really so , and against the people that holds them , as well as your selves , & more particularly i cannot now say ; and there is indeed woeful and sad effects of errors brought forth in this nation , and many are in the apostacy from the truth , and in the luke-warmness also , and the power of godliness is decayed , and they have the forme , and holds that without the power : your selves may do well , and your congregations also , to search your own hearts , by the spirit of the lord in this case , that the guilty may see , and turn unto the lord , that his wrath come not upon them . your fift evidence is , sabbath prophanation , both in opinion and practice , grown to a greater height than ever formerly ; the iewes sabbath cryed up , instead of the christian : shops opened upon the lords day , yea , some working the works of their ordinary callings , in knitting , and sowing of garments in our assemblies , even in the pulpits , in the time of gods publike worship , &c. answ. this remains doutful to many , what the true sabbath is , and whether the lord doth require of this generation the observing one day above another , and if so , what day it is that he requires the observing of ; as for the 7th day of the week , we know that the lord commanded the iewes to keep as a sabbath , and to rest , but that was never commanded to the gentiles ; and as for the first day of the week , which is called the christians sabbath , that is doubtful to many , whether god commands and requires the observation of that day by the gentile believers , yea , or nay ; seeing that there is neither command nor binding example for it , through out the scriptures ▪ if there be any i do desire that you would shew it in your next , and by what authority , whether from men , or from heaven , the first day of the week is now kept by you , as your sabbath ; for really many are doubtful in this case , and you would do very well , if you have a command from god , or example from his servants in former ages , to discover so much unto the people ; and as for your calling it the lords day , it is certaine every day is his , and not one day more then another ; and as for shops opening , and such things as you mention , though every one that do such things , may not be justified in the doing of it , yet such a thing in it self may be justified , if the spirit of the lord moves unto it , and who shall limit the lord ? and why may not others labour in their ordinary callings that day , as well as you in your ordinary callings ? i mean , your ordinary calling of preaching ; that it is an ordinary calling , it is certaine , because you deny any extrordinary calling in these dayes , and so i only query this , why others may not follow their ordinary callings as well as you ? for it hath been affirmed very lately by some , that preaching was a trade , and a function for men to get a living by , and we do not question but there are many now in this nation , called ministers , that do preach for that end , and would cease to preach , if money and tithes were ceased to be given them : i speak this of some , not of all , which doth demonstrate , that the way of your preaching , is an ordinary calling ; which you labour in , on your sabbath day . your sixth evidence , is the powring out by many of all sects with a full mouth , all manner of obloquy and contempt upon ministry , and ministers of the gospel , openly interrupting them in the excercise of their duty , whereby they are discouraged in their work , while they are represented under the notion of baals priests , gehazaes , pulpited divines , distributers of sundaies doses , simonions , decimating clergy , common incendiaries , &c. answ. it is certain , that the true ministry , and ministers of the gospel were in all ages and now are contemned and despised , and all manner of evill spoken against them for the name of christ : but whether you are those true ministers of the gospel , and your ministry the true ministry sent of christ , this is doubtful to many ; and by many particulars which might be instanced , the contrary doth appear : the ministers of christ in the daies of the apostles , they never complained of being interrupted ; for they were haled before rulers , and commanded to preach no more in that name , and yet they were not discouraged thereby in their work , nor when they were called movers of sedition , and deceivers , and such reproachful names , they regarded not these things , but as for you , you seem to be troubled that any should speak to you , or ask you a question , or exhort you to repent , if any out of good conscience query with you , concerning your practise and doctrine , and if any exhort to good , and cry against evil amongst you , this you call interrupting of you , in your ministerial duty , and to prison , houses of correction , and to whips and stocks , must such go , which was never the apostles practise , never was any sent to prison for opposing of them ; and what if the ministers of england be called hirelings , and false prophets , and greedy dumb dogs , the practise of some of them doth prove it that they are so ; these things you must bear , as coming deservedly , and not unjustly upon you , for the servants of the lord in all ages ever cried against deceivers , and false prophets , and called them deceivers , and greedy dumb dogs , and serpents , and vipers , and evil beasts , and slow bellies ; these names and terms did christ , the apostles , and prophets , use unto such as are some of the ministery of this nation , and not with revilings and reproachings , but with the spirit of authority from god , that reproves the wickedness of prophets , teachers , and people ; and tell me , have not some of you sued men at the law , and cast them into prison in this city , because they would not give you money , and tythes , and hire , though such as have not heard you , nor received you as ministers , not received any thing from you , and such as you did never any work for , have you sought wages from , and caused them to be imprisoned that would not give you ? and tell me in good earnest , can any less be said of such who thus walk , but that they are insatiable hirelings , and as bad as baals priests , and even cheaters , and greedy dumb dogs , let the witness in your own consciences answer , and you shall have a reply . now i come to your third particular , which is other causes and symptomes of gods wrath hanging over your heads , the frequent disappointment from time to time , of all hopes of coming to any settlement in government in the nation , occasioned by strange confusions , which is a clear evidence that god hath in displeasure darkened our eyes , and bid counsel from us ( say you . ) answ. it is very true , that from time to time of late daies the lord hath disappointed the purposes of men , even concerning settling of government , and there hath been almost strange confusions in changes , but to what can this be attributed ? have not your fins been as great a cause of it as any others ? and have not you and your generation been the councellors in all these matters ? was not some of you or your brethren in olivers daies , and in richards daies , and in the armies daies , and in the parliaments daies , and are not you and your brethren busie at this day in ordering a settlement of government in this nation ? but the lord hath hitherto disappointed you and them , that you have counselled ; and broken you into confusion and distraction , and turned backwards even the proceedings of rulers , and teachers , and the spirit of deep sleep and of slumber is powred upon you all , and the vision of these things is as a sealed book unto you , even because of gods displeasure against you ; and in that you say , your eyes are darkned , and counsel is hid from you , in that you say true , though to your own shame : and what trust can be put in such watchmen ? what confidence can be placed by your people in you ? when as you acknowledge that your eyes are darkned , and counsel is hid from you ; the scriptures mentioned by you doth prove there was darkness upon the land , but isaiah doth not say , nor david , that counsel was hid from them , or that their eyes were darkned , neither did ever the apostles say so , but witnessed that the lord was their light , and in him their eyes were opened , and counsel was revealed to them . secondly , you say , this sadly presages of unchurching the nation , or the departing of the glory of god from you . answ. by unchurching the nation , i suppose you mean making the church no church , which if this can be done , then the gates of hell may prevail against the church , contrary to the words of christ , who said , the gates of hell should not prevail ; but i must tell you , the nation of england , as to the general part of it , hath been long , and yet is unchurched , that is , ungathered by the eternal spirit , into the true fellowship in the body of christ ; for the night of apostacy and darkness hath been over the world , since the apostles daies , and over this nation in particular , and your churches hath been no true churches , nor the people under your ministry truly joyned and united in true church order , and under true church government , though i do not say but that there are thousands of sincere people that loves the lord , yet remaining among you , and the day of the lord is appearing , which will confound the whore , the false church , which hath been set up in this nation , and through the world , and assemblies which hath had the name of the churches of christ , will be found to be otherwise in the judgement of the lord , and all the false ordinances , practises , and ministers , must be thrown down , that the glory of the lord may again appear . further you seem , to charge your selves with leaving your first love , and former zeal , for the truth and worship of god , but the present coldness and indifferency in the things of god , together with your barrenness and unanswerable walking to the gospel of christ , &c. ( say you . ) answ. though to your own shame , yet i do believe this is truly acknowledged , that you have lost your first love and zeal , which once was in you , in the daies when you were persecuted under the bishops , you were full of love and zeal for the truth , and worship of god , according as it was made manifest , and then you were sufferers your selves , but now you are causers of others to suffer , and there is indeed much coldness , and dryness , and barrenness , amongst you and your people ; i do truly desire you may repent you thereof , that if so be the lord may heal you ; and your walking indeed is unanswerable to the gospel of christ , ( to wit ) your taking of tythes , and so much by the year for preaching ; and suing people at the law that will not give you wages , though you do no work for them ; these , with many other things which you practise , is an unanswerable walking to the gospel of christ , and seeing you have confessed your sius in some measure , repent and sin no more , that your iniquities may be blotted out . again , you complain of the prevalency of atheisme , and doting upon error , endless separations , common ignorance , unbelief , prophaneness , the prejudice against wholesome doctrine , and all order of discipline in the church , and many other confusions are upon us , ( say you . ) answ. alas ! so it is , but where is the blame ? oh you watchmen ! should not you have better preserved your flocks ? should not you have fed them with living food ? should not you have been examples of righteousness and truth unto them ? and should not you have nourished them with knowledge and understanding ? but because the shepherds have been lazy and idle , and fed themselves , and not their flocks ; but the shepherds have ruled over their flocks with force and cruelty , and their ministry and preaching hath been a very burden and oppression upon the people , and therefore it is that their flocks are divided into many sects , and separations , and great confusions is in your assemblies , and among you , even the sin of the people in some measure , will be charged upon you their teachers , whole flocks are run into errors , and atheisme , and despise wholesome doctrine , and are out of true order , and church-discipline , even in the traditions of men : therefore oh that you ministers would consider ! and that you would learn more wisdome , and that your people would come to receive the spirit of the lord into their hearts , whereby they may be led into all truth , and into the covenant of god , where there is no unbelief , ignorance , prophanenesse , no confusion ; but peace , love , and unity altogether , and if you and they did come into this , you might be happy , and the judgments of the lord would be removed . now i come to some particulars which you do promise for your selves : first , that you will use all holy endeavours to keep god and his truth among you . secondly , that you will be more diligent in watching over your flocks . thirdly , that you shall endeavour the establishment of your congregations against popish delusions . to all which i answer : you must first make clean your own hearts , and you must first repent of your own iniquities , before you can heal others ; and you must first learn obedience to god in your own hearts , before you can truly instruct others therein : and indeed there is need enough for you to mourn before the lord , and to fast , and to confess your sins , ( as you say ) for the lord has been long departed from you , and his presence from your assemblies , and that is the cause of deadnesse , and drinesse , and barrennesse among the people , because gods presence is wanting among you ; and you had indeed need to be more diligent in watching over your flocks , for you have been negligent therein , and have fed your selves , and not them , and you have sought theirs , and not them , it s partly evident , and it is time for you now to amend , and to put away the evil of your doings ; but first , before you dispence the word to others , you must feel the word in your own hearts , to be as a fire and as a hammer in you , and you must know another foundation for ministers than you have long stood upon , even the lord iesus christ must be your foundation , and you must cease to preach for hire , and to divine for money , and then should it be better with you , and your flocks would have comfort in you , if you had received freely from the lord , and ministred freely to them ; but while you do it for ends to your selves , they can have no good hopes nor confidence in you . and whereas you exhort your congregations in divers particulars : first , to take heed of false teachers , trying their spirits , and holding fast that which is good , especially to beware of popish insinuations , ( say you , &c. ) answ. your exhortation is good in it self , but you should have demonstrated more plainly how false teachers should be known , conparing their fruits now , with what they were in the daies of old , when the scriptures were written , and that had been a good way to have discovered false teachers ; that sixteenth of matthew , mentioned by you , bids them beware of the leaven of the pharisees , and christ said , they were such as was called of men master , stood praying in the synagogues , loved uppermost rooms at feasts , went in long robes , and of such christ bids beware , and of such now the people in london are to beware , where ever they are , for such as do these things , are in the steps of the scribes and pharisees , which christ cried woe against , and the true prophets cried against such in their daies as preached for hire , and that sought for their gain from their quarter , and such you ought to cry against now , as seek for their gain from their quarter , except the guilt of these things in your selves stops your mouths from crying against them in others ; and the apostles cried against such as went for gifts , and rewards , such as taught for filthy lucre , and such as made merchandize of people for gain for themselves , such the apostles and christ declared against , and such you ought to declare against ; but the people of your congregations may say , who are such now ? and where are they ? that i leave to their consciences to judge who it is , and where they are now , and whether there be any of them in this city now , and in the nation , that are called of men master , and love uppermost rooms at feasts , and that preacheth for hire , and money , for gifts , and rewards , seeks for their gain from their quarter , teacheth for filthy lucre , and gain ; who are found in these things now , such are false teachers , who ought to be taken heed of : i shall not now say it is any of you , but i shall leave it to you , and to your peoples consciences , to whom your exhortation is ; and as i have said before , let all popish inventions and popery be first cast out of this nation , and then if you joyn with us against it , through the spirit of the lord we will endeavour the keeping of it out , and that it shall no more enter in amongst us into this nation . and you say , that your knowledge here , and all other graces here , are imperfect ; to which i say , then you are imperfect saints , imperfect ministers . but what do you mean by here ? i suppose that you mean upon earth , now there are none of the graces of god that are imperfect , but the grace of god is perfect in it self , and the spirit of god is perfect , and every gift of god is perfect ; as saith the scriptures . now that you should say the graces of god are imperfect , this is error , even abominable error , and you shew unsoundnesse in judgement , even in the things of god , and hath belied the graces and gifts of god , which in their least measure are perfect . and thus i have looked over your exhortation , and thus i have returned to you again , not but that i know it is the duty of christs ministers to exhort their flocks , and that exhortation in it self is good , but when i find where lies and false accusations are against the quakers , whom i dearly love and own , upon that account , and not otherwise have i engaged with you , and what i have done , it is not rendering evil for evil , but rather to reprove your evil , and to undeceive your congregations , who might otherwise take all for true that you have said , if it were not reproved . again , you exhort your congregations , that they manifest sincerity , not only by hatred of error , but by a love of the truth , &c. answ. sincerity of heart is indeed precious , especially where the spirit of the lord is the rule of judgement , and doth mannage that sincerity ; but where a false spirit rules in the judgement , the sincerity is often betrayed into a zeal against the truth , and against the wayes of the lord , rather than otherwise ; and thus it was with the iewes , whose sincerity ( through their error of judgement ) was turned into zeal and bitternesse against christ : and thus it is to be feared it is with many in your congregations , who may have a zeal without knowledge , and be short of true discerning between what is truth , and what is error , i speak not this of all , but of some , for it s no small thing to discern between truth and error , especially in this day , wherein there are so many wayes and professions of church-ministry , and worship , and yet all professing the scriptures are their rule of faith , worship , and practise ; and seeing that all sects do professe proof from scripture for what they hold forth , what ground have the people to believe you more than others , or others more than you ? for where people receives doctrine or religion by report from others , without the evidence of the spirit of god in their own hearts , this is not receiving of the truth unto eternal life ; wherefore i exhort your congregations , that every one amongst them may wait upon the lord , to have a feeling and discerning in their own hearts , and that each one may be led and taught of the spirit of god which leads into all truth , that they may deny all false ministers , and false worships , and may worship god in spirit and truth , through the ministration of his own spirit in their hearts and consciences , and thereby will they discern between truth and error , and will love the one , and hate the other . thirdly , you exhort , that they keep themselves unspotted from the prevailing corruptions of these back-sliding times , &c. answ. concerning the times , many are ignorant ; but this is certain at the present time wherein we are , is the lord disquieting of men , and its the latter daies of antichrists reign and government , that hath been in full power and authority for many generations , and babylon that great city , her ruine is threatned , because of her abominations , that have been many and great , for the whole earth hath been corrupted ( as it s written ) and now the call of the lord is , that every man come out of babylon , and deliver himself , that he may not partake of their plagues ; and happy are they that are made clean and unspotted from her sins , that they may not be found covered with her garments , for the day of the lord is come , and coming upon babilon , and all back-sliders from god and his wayes . now babilon is that great city , which hath ruled over the kings of the earth , and in her hath the blood of souls , and of all just men been found . fourthly , you exhort to endeavour a healing of those sad breaches and divisions which have been amongst you , &c. answ. now the sad breaches and divisions which is indeed at present in this nation , cannot be healed , but as the cause and ground thereof be removed , which is the sins of rulers , teachers , and people ; and this is the cause wherefore the lord hath brought distraction amongst them : oh what ambition and self-seeking hath been among the rulers ! what judging for gifts and rewards ? what neglect of mercy and judgement amongst them ? and oh how have they oppressed the poor , and trodden down the needy ! and because hereof is the righteous god vexed ? and oh what covetousness and greediness of gaine are the teachers guilty of ! how do they preach for hire , and divine for money ? how have they unreasonably caused men to be imprisoned , and their goods to be spoiled for wages , and tythes , and hire ? oh how hath covetousnesse , and idolatry , and superstition abounded amongst the teachers in this nation ? oh abominable hath been their sins , their oppressions , and self-seekings ! and because of these things hath the lord brought distractions amongst people , and the sins of rulers and people cries for vengeance from the lord , and till these iniquities be removed by repentance and forsaken the fruit and effect thereof shall never cease , but breach upon breach will the lord make , till the rulers and priests repent them of their iniquities , gods hand will be upon them both in judgement ; and for their sakes that divine for money , and preach for hire , and judge for rewards : will the lord make the nation as heaps , and as a ploughed field ? therefore let all people repent of their iniquities , and return to the light of christ in their own consciences , and become followers of the lamb , and this is the perfect way of healing of all breaches inwardly and outwardly . fifthly , you exhort to be diligent in the spiritual and conscientious performances of family duties , &c. answ. men must first be awakened and enlivened unto god , before they can act for god in holy duties ; and as for duties performed in pretence unto god traditionally , and without the teachings of the the spirit of god , is but idolatry , and the nation is weary of such a religion which they have received , and held traditionally , for thereby the soul immortal cannot be nourished unto eternal life , and while you teach duties towards god , by that rule , while you teach praying , singing , repeating , catechising , by tradition and imitation , without the leadings of the spirit of christ in them , you do but teach idolatry ; as long hath been taught in the christian nations , the doing and performing such and such things , as christian duties and practises , and the forcing and compelling of doing such things upon people in the unregenerate state , and unconverted nature , this religion and such performances of duties , have been of babilon , and of antichrist , and a cheat upon peoples souls , whereby many have been murdered and slain in that great city , and the form of godlinesse without the power hath been practised , while duties have been performed unto god , without the teachings of the spirit of god , and such their consciences are blinded , and the lord abhors their sacrifices ; and people must first come to feel the word of god in their hearts to regenerate them , before they can perform any acceptable thing to god ; and therefore do not teach people to be hypocrites , do not teach them such and such performances , in the corrupt nature , without the teachings of the spirit of god in their own particulars , for if you do , you make them but two fold more the children of the devil , and such duties performed in that nature , shall not cover nor hide from the wrath of the lord which is comming upon all hypocrites . sixthly , you exhort that they would cause their children and servants to submit to catechisings , and train them up in there verence of godly ministry , &c. answ. it may be enquired into , what you mean by cause them to submit ; how cause them ? by force and imposition upon their consciences , by outward external personal punishment or threats ? is this your meaning ? will you set up religion by violence ? and must children and servants be compelled by resraint and force ? this is not the right way to promote religion and the worship of god , nor to make children and servants truly religious ; it was the beast that received power from the dragon , that caused all to worship , both small and great , children and servants ; and this causing to worship was in the time of the apostacy , when the true church was fled into the wildernesse , and all the time ever since , hath nations been caused and compelled to such and such performances , and practises of religion and worship , and such causing , i am jealous , your meaning is , whereby you would force and compell such manner of worship and practises upon people : and what do you mean by godly ministry ? will you admit of just tryal according to the scriptures , whether yours be that godly ministry or no ? for all sorts of christians , papists , and protestants , and all others , they will say that they are in the right way , and their ministry is the godly ministry , but the fruits of many proves the contrary , and we cannot believe that yours is the godly ministry , except you will prove it to us , by , and according to the scriptures . now it is certain , that the ministry of the apostles was the true godly ministry , and if yours agree with theirs , then we will confesse that yours is the true godly ministry . therefore tel us plainly , do you agree with them in your call , and in your maintenance , and in your practises , and in your fruits and effects , in your lives and conversations , and in your doctrines ? are you justly according to ? and do you agree with the apostles in all these things ? shall we lay you to the line , that you may be judged ? this is but as a hint at things whereby you might justly be tryed , for if you agree not with the apostles in these case mentioned , then it is evident that your ministry is not the true godly ministry ; but hereafter we may have a better occasion to try you : and thus the principal parts of your exhortation is answered , and if you can , receive it in love . to all you sixty one teachers in london , under whose hands your exhortation passeth : this i say to you , in the fear of the lord god : oh ye men consider ! and let it enter into your hearts , the day of the lord is at hand upon you , and account of your stewardship must you give , and his reward must you have whom you have served , and you must reap the fruit of what you have sown : oh look upon your flocks , and see what a condition they are in ! oh what pride and vain-glory is abounding amongst them ! oh how doth wickedness spring forth from them ! are they like unto sheep of christs fold ? or are not they appearing outwardly christians , when as the evil nature is uncut down in them ? oh what wickednesse abounds in this city ! what double-dealing and dissimulation ? what lying , and swearing , and drunkennesse ? oh high are all the fruits of the flesh grown amongst your flocks ! your vineyards are not dressed as they ought to be , there is abundance of corrupt trees , and fruitlesse branches which cumbers the ground : oh it makes the heart of the righteous sad to walk in the streets , and to view the abominations that are daily brought forth , by a people professing scriptures , church , ministry , and christ : oh! it burdens the just , and grieves the righteous soul to consider how high iniquity is grown among the sheep of your pastures , whom ye should have fed with knowledge , and converted unto the fear of the lord , had you been messengers sent of god ; the very iewes and heathens they blaspheme against christ , through the abominations brought forth among christians , that have the name to live , but are dead : oh let it enter into your hearts , and smite you , that your many years ministry should have so little effect , for your vineyard is like untilled ground , unploughed , and unbroken up : oh there is much hard-heartednesse amongst your people , and their hearts goes after covetousnesse , even while they professe god with their lips ; oh the righteous mourns in secret to see the prophanenesse , the scornings , and reproaches that are brought forth in your city : and oh the idolatry that abounds ! let it repent you , that you have been so slothful , and never more seek the fleece , but seek the flock that 's gone astray from the lord , who is the true shepherd , whose voice hath not been obeyed , and many pastors have destroyed the vineyard , and many shepherds have fed themselves , and not the flock : oh consider the day of the lord is at hand , and he will visit with his rod : you and your flocks prepare to meet the lord , for his kingdome is nigh to come , which will be a terrible day to all workers of iniquity . and as for this your exhortation , i say , as for exhortation in it self , ministers ought to exhort their flocks ; so such a thing in it self i do commend , and not oppose ; but when i had read and seriously considered the aim and intent of your spirits in your exhortation , i found it secretly , and in a measure openly opposing , and striking at , and secretly smiting the people of the lord , whom you have reproached by the name of quakers , who are dear to the lord , and he careth for them , though you see no beauty in them , but accounteth them altogether vile , and in as much as you lifted up your hands against them , upon that account was it upon my spirit to return something in answer , for the information of many , that they might be undeceived , and not in envy towards any , but in love to all , to both you and your people , and you have occasioned this upon your selves , though you are reproved ; and not as a man of strife or contention have i proceeded , but as one that desires the further manifestation of truth , and that no false accusastion may rest upon it , which you have secretly brought forth , with which the lord is not well pleased , that you should set your selves in opposition against his people ; and if any of you shall receive a just reproof and repent , it may prove to you an advantage of much good , and be not so proud as to say in your hearts , what art thou , weak man , that reproves us ? or wherefore art thou so bold thus to deal with us ? but rather fall under just reproof , for in uprightnesse of heart have i proceeded towards you , and not in mine own , but in the will of the father : and oh that your flocks would also consider , among whom there are many that are zealous in their way ! oh that their zeal and iudgements were guided by the spirit of the lord , then should it be well with them ! oh that they would be meek and humble , and learn the fear of the lord ! oh that every one of them would consider , and turn from their iniquities , and become followers of iesus christ , then should the glory of the lord be revealed unto them , and peace , and truth , and righteousnesse should be unto them , and their families , and their city , if they would come into covenant with god , and he taught of him , and be exercised by his law in their hearts , then should the countenance of the lord be upon them , and then should they discern between truth and error , between the ministers of christ , and deceivers . oh! there is a pity for many poor people , which are zealous in their way of religion , without knowledge , and they think they do god good service , while yet their consciences are not exercised by the spirit of the lord , but a false spirit that rules and leads , and many holds the truth in unrighteousnesse , and they know not but they do well : oh that such would consider , and not be hasty in any thing to performe or professe religion in their degenerate estate , but that they would come to know the regeneration , and the renewing of their minds by the holy spirit , and that the immortal birth might be born in them , even the birth of the spirit which is heir of god : oh that that might live and rule in them , then should they be heirs of god ; and citizens of the new ierusalem ! and oh ye people of london ! lay it to heart , you must be born again , or else you can never enter into gods kingdome , you must be changed in nature , and must be crucified to this world , that you may live unto god ; this must you come unto , or else you have no part nor portion in eternal life ; all your duties and performances in your forms of religion they cannot save you , nor justifie you , all your preaching , praying , singing , and all your duties whatsoever , they are all nothing , till you come to know changing and renewing inwardly , and do witness the seed of god raised up in you , and the head of the serpent bruised in you by the seed of the woman , this must you come to witnesse , that your souls may live : oh that you would consider ! be not so zealous against that which you may call heresie and schism , for while you erre in judgement , you may soon speak evil of truth , and persecute it under the name of error ; many have wofully fallen into that snare , and brought sorrow upon themselves thereby : the wise iewes , even the chief priests , scribes , and pharisees , they were confident in their way , as you can be , and yet they erred in judgement , and would not receive christ , but persecuted him , under the very name of a deceiver ; and thus it is possible for many to do in this age : what though you have christs words , and the apostles words ; yet if you have not the spirit of christ , that was in the apostles , you know nothing rightly of the scriptures , neither can you understand them , nor have salvation by them , for you must know christ in you , your hope of glory , else you are reprobates , and shut out of the kingdome of god : and search the scriptures , and see , if they do not witnesse this : do not they say , christ is in you , except you be reprobates ? and do not they say , the law of god is written in the heart , and the spirit of god is put in the inward part ? and do not they say , that christ hath lightened every man that comes into the world with the true light ? and do not they say that the apostle exhorts people to hearken to the word of god in their hearts , and to be followers of the spirit of god that was in their hearts ? and do not the scriptures say , that it was the light that shined in the heart , that gave the knowledge of god unto the saints ? search the scriptures , and see whether these things be so ; and must not men be born again of the immortal seed ? oh consider and let not these doctrines seem new unto you , neither reject them , though they come unto you in weak appearance , not with words of mens wisdome , but in simplicity , and in sincerity , and in the power of god : and search the scriptures whether these things be so ; were not they false prophets that preached for hire , and divined for money , and sought for their gain from their quarter ? were not such deceivers in the true prophets time , and them that preached for filthy lucre , and for money , and for gifts and rewards ? were not such false brethren , and false apostles ? search the scriptures , whether these things be so , for the day of tryal is now come , wherein all must be searched , and that religion , and worship , and ministry , which is not according to the scriptures , which was given forth by the spirit of god , let that religion , worship , church , and ministry be utterly condemned of the lord , and all his people ; and let such ministers as cannot prove their call , their maintenance , and practises , to be according to the scriptures , let such ministers be confounded , and silenced for ever , and come to try this matter when you will . for whereas you cry out against us , as if we were deniers of scriptures , as if we were enemies to church , and godly ministry , and religion , and as if we were deceivers , hereticks , papists , &c. but i say unto you , these things have you never yet justly proved against us , but rather accused us behind our backs , to make us odious among people ; and though for divers years together we have been publike , yet when did ever any of you ministers seek by lawful means to convert us , or shew us our errors , if we were as you say of us , oh it had been your time to have sought our conversion ! and not to have persecuted , to have sent to prisons , houses of correction , and by such weapons of an outward force and cruelty have you dealt with us , and not in meeknesse , and by the spirit of the lord , as ministers of christ ought to do ; but hath cried to the magistrates to defend you and your church , and worship , being unable , as it were , by the authority of gods spirit to defend your selves : therefore i say unto you now , lay down your carnal weapons , and come out in in the spirit of meeknesse , and come out in the authority of gods spirit , if you have it , convince us thereby , if we be in an evil way , as you say , let us hear your soundest arguments by the spirit of god , and according to the scriptures , to prove those things which you say of us ; prove it by evident arguments , that we deny scriptures , and that we are hereticks , and that we are papists . i challenge you all in the name of the lord , even all your ministers of london , let us hear your sound reasons openly in the spirit of meeknesse , and do not back-bite nor slander in the dark , neither let us be bawled against by your rude members , as often we have been , even in the spirit of wickednesse ; but come out you ministers , we are willing to be tryed according to the scriptures , and by the spirit of god in our religion , and in every part of it ; and if you be the same , then come forth in the spirit of meeknesse , like ministers of christ , and lay down your carnal weapons , and let us have fair dealing openly , that truth may be manifested publikely , and errour may be discovered ; and let us not envy one anothers persons , & seek to destroy one anothers lives , but let us seek to destroy the evil in one another , that men might be saved , and this would be a christian-like way , we would hear what you have to charge against our religion , by sound arguments in meeknesse , that we may answer , it , and then we will charge something upon your ministry , church , religion , and worship , and we will prove what we say against you , according to the scriptures ; and we will not impose our religion upon you , by the force of outward powers , and outward lawes ; neither would we have you force your religion , ministry , and church upon us , by such means , but we will leave the effect of all things to the spirit of god ; and come out when you will in such a way as this , and this would satisfie thousands , and let meeknesse and the fear of god be amongst you , and this is the way to exalt religion ; and we would think it a happinesse , more then otherwise , to be joyned in sober debate and dispute against you , that you and we , in your religion , church , and ministry , and in ours also , might be tryed according to the scriptures , that all may be satisfied who are doubtful , and may hear your principles , and our principles discussed , in the presence of the people , who may judge by the light and witnesse in their own consciences , for to that in all we do appeal ; and in such a proceeding , come forth when you will ; lay down your carnal weapons , and take the weapons of the spirit , and come to the tryal , for the day of the lord is approaching upon all the world . the end . the rebukes of a reviler fallen upon his own head, in an answer to a book put forth by one iohn stelham, called a minister at terlin in essex. wherein is shewed unto all spiritual men, that he himself is justly proved to be a contradictor of the scriptures, while he falsly accuses others thereof, that are clear, and the saying is fulfilled upon him, he is fallen into the pit, which he digged for others, for even that way which he calls heresie, do we worship the god of our fathers. by r.h. hubberthorn, richard, 1628-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a86667 of text r207520 in the english short title catalog (thomason e919_7). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 181 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 42 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a86667 wing h3229 thomason e919_7 estc r207520 99866565 99866565 118841 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a86667) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 118841) images scanned from microfilm: (thomason tracts ; 138:e919[7]) the rebukes of a reviler fallen upon his own head, in an answer to a book put forth by one iohn stelham, called a minister at terlin in essex. wherein is shewed unto all spiritual men, that he himself is justly proved to be a contradictor of the scriptures, while he falsly accuses others thereof, that are clear, and the saying is fulfilled upon him, he is fallen into the pit, which he digged for others, for even that way which he calls heresie, do we worship the god of our fathers. by r.h. hubberthorn, richard, 1628-1662. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 64, 57-75, [1] p. printed for giles calvert at the black-spread-eagle neer the west-end of pauls, london : 1657. text continuous despite pagination. r.h. = richard hubberthorn cf. wing. a reply to: stalham, john "reviler rebuked". annotation on thomason copy: "july: 23". reproduction of the original in the british library. eng stalham, john, d. 1681. -reviler rebuked. heresy -early works to 1800. a86667 r207520 (thomason e919_7). civilwar no the rebukes of a reviler fallen upon his own head,: in an answer to a book put forth by one iohn stelham, called a minister at terlin in es hubberthorn, richard 1657 35426 225 0 0 0 0 0 64 d the rate of 64 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the d category of texts with between 35 and 100 defects per 10,000 words. 2007-05 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2007-06 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2007-08 robyn anspach sampled and proofread 2007-08 robyn anspach text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-02 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion the rebukes of a reviler fallen upon his own head , in an answer to a book put forth by one iohn stelham , called a minister at terlin in essex . wherein is shewed unto all spiritual men , that he himself is justly proved to be a contradictor of the scriptures , while he falsly accuses others thereof , that are clear , and the saying is fulfilled upon him , he is fallen into the pit , which he digged for others , for even that way which he calls heresie , do we worship the god of our fathers . by r. h. london , printed for giles calvert at the black-spread-eagle at the west-end of pauls , 1657. the rebukes of a reviler , fallen upon his own head . in an answer to a book put forth by one john stelham , called a minister at terling in essex . vvhereas the antient of dayes hath appeared , and the lord god of israel , and of his holy seed for ever , hath in these our dayes , being his own appointed time , stretched forth his hand to gather in his remnant , which hath been scattered , and starved upon the barren mountains , and he hath made known his arm and power , in raising up his righteous branch , and in bringing out of captivity his own chosen , that his own name may be exalted for evermore , and his marvelous light hath he caused to shine forth unto many that have sit in darkness , and he hath cryed , behold me , behold me , unto a people that hath not been called by his name ; yea , from this time it shall be said , what hath god wrought , and who is like unto them that are saved by the lord , a happy people , and blessed are they whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance , they dwell in their tents , and none can make them afraid , for there is no inchantment against israel , nor no divination against the seed of jacob , he that curses them , it shall return upon his own head , and he that defies them , shall surely be confounded in a day ; for god hath spoken , and it shall surely come to pass , he hath said , and it shall not be revoked ▪ they that wait upon him , shall never be ashamed ; but his presence shall go before them , and his righteousness shall be their reward : therefore , o ye mountains , and hills , wherefore are ye gathered together , ye high and lofty oaks , and rebellious children , to what purpose have you set your selves , as in array for b●t●●l , against the lord , and against his anointed ; in vain have you sought divination against israel , and to no purpose have you risen up to resist mount sion , whom the lord is establishing ▪ and exalting above the dominions of the earth , and though many have set themselves ( and of the wisest too , in our age ) to gainsay the truth , which is revealed , by subtil arguments , and have travelled in pain to bring forth misty vapors , to blind the eye of the simple , and have laid , and sought so to do , stumbling blocks of iniq●ity before the people , by multitude of crafty ▪ productions , and lying arguments : wo unto you , wise writers and scribes , you have taken away the key of knowledge , and have neither entred the kingdom , nor suffered others to enter that would , what will be your doom , and what will be your judgment , o the heavie hand of the lord will be upon you , you damnation sleeps not a moment : and whereas john stelham ▪ one o●gogs ▪ army against the lamb and his followers , a falsly supposed , and contrarily called , and unjustly named , minister of the gospel , hath out of his corrupt , wicked , old , lying heart , ( which he confesseth he hath ) brought forth a large piece , out of babylons treasure , of falsly collected , and falsly framed arguments , whereby he hath sought to offend the way of the lord , but the rather hath burthened his own soul , by his own wickedness , and offended himself , and made himself unworthy of life eternal , and is reckoned in the sight of the lord , and proved in the sight of man , to be indeed sinful : john stelham : yea ▪ he is numbred , and truly too , among babylons children , and the lyars , and hypocrites , whose portion is in the lake , and not among the children of the lord , for them , he hath set himself to oppose , and by his subtilty , secretly sought out inch●ntments , and endeavouring to curse , whom god hath blessed , he is accounted among the uncircumcised , and shall not die the death of the righteous , neither shall his last end be like unto his , except he repent ; yea , god hath kept him back from honour , and to shame and disgrace he is already promoted , in the sight of all the saints , and all his work is troden down , as a branch of a dead tree , to be cast into the fire , and what though he have travelled full 10 months , or more , yet his birth is imperfect , and the fruit of an egyptian womb , which hath obtained neither praise of god , nor favour of man ; and what though his arguments be many and subtil , through the strength of his devilish wisdom , whereby he hath descended into the darkness , to fetch up his stuffe , and invented in his mind , and framed in his evil thoughts , which hath filled his volums by his envious pen ; and what though he hath taken seeming occasion against us by his industry and bent his tongue to utter it , as feinedly and zealously , as may blind the si●gle eye , and in as great hypocrisie , and pretended righteousness as possibly may : what then of all these things , let him take this for an answer in full , to all his many arguments , and to his whole work and whatsoever is brought forth , or may be yet lodging in his sinful heart ever to declare , we are of god , his covenant is with us : and the whole world lyes in wickedness , and he that is of god heareth us , and this is enough , reply to all what he hath , or can say further against us ; and this testimony the father gives of us , who hath chosen us in him , before the world was ; and let him , and all our adversaries know , that our religion is in that which keeps unspotted of the world , and our acceptance with god , is in him , who is the light of the world , who exerciseth our consciences , in all good things towards god , and towards man , and though we answer not , yet are we no worse ; and though we answer , yet are we no better ; praise of men approves us not to god , nor dispraise of men makes us not sorrowful ; but our peace is in the father , whether the world do us love , or hate , or praise us , or dispraise : and first of all like unto rehum and shimshai , and their companions , he appears with his dedication , much like unto theirs , from the same spirit , and unto the same end , as may be seen , ezra 4. 9 , 11 , 12 , &c. and in the manner of amaziah ▪ priest of bethel , unto jeroboam the king , with a message much of that nature , as in amos. 7. 10 , 11 , &c. and this man with his feigned flattering titles , appears to the chief in authority for approbation of his work , that men may accept it the more , but that 's little worth , if god accept it less , and in much secret hypocrisie , hath he uttered the intent of his mind , in less than a sheet of paper , to the protector , and council of state , whom we hope in for more honesty than to believe lyes , and the indictments of a sinful wicked heart : well , but if they will harden their hearts to believe unrighteousness , they shall be filled therewith , till both the ancient , and honourable , and the false prophet , that prophesies lyes , which is the tayle , isa 9. 15 ▪ be consumed together , and the saints shall stand on the earth , and the dominion shall be given into their hands : then among his flattering titles , he seems secretly to complain of abuse made of the press , for the spreading of anti-scripturial , and anti-christian errors , as he saith : indeed his own works do prove his words true , that the press is abused , which hath by his pen scribed so many lyes , reproaches , slanders , and errors , and the press the instrumental cause of spreading them abroad , whereby the press hath been abused , to the dishonour of religion and piety , if not to the dishonour of authority also , then he seems to hint at the cruelty and outcry of many , for crying club ▪ law against the men called quakers ; but whether with approvement , or otherwise of it , his mind is not uttered , however by the lyes and slanders ensuing out of his own mouth , it is easily proved , that he is of that very generation of persecutors , though he so well do not approve of persecuting with the hand , yet he allowes , and himself is guilty of persecuting with the tongue , which is one in nature , so that hereby the great hypocrisie , of this man appears , in condemning others secretly of what himself is guilty of openly , then he is pleased ( though the lord be vexed ) to cast forth his peevish smite , against the light of jesus christ , wherewith every man in the world is lighted , in words , thus venomously uttered , that perverse principle of their * self-adoring light : will the protector and council believe this , or will they promote him , to honour , or magnifie him , because of his oprobrious speeches against the light of the son of god , let them answer and testifie against him , for blasphemy , who hath in his hastiness uttered his envy and wickedness , and no less then denied the lord that bought him , in calling , and shamelesly ▪ stiling the pure light of christ , the way , the truth , and the life , perverse principle , and self ▪ adoring light : and thus it is manifested the press is abused by such an anti-scripturial , and antichristian error proceeding out of john stelhams old heart , and manifested from his pen , then with his lying message he follows after his flattering titles , and sayes ere long the lord himself will rebuke them * to silence , that they shall neither write , nor speak so presumptuously &c. if his lords believe this message , they shall never bless him , but in the end curse him , when the production of his lying prophesie appears , which is deceiving of their souls , and will prove a curse upon them , and posterity , and is feeding of them with hopes of vanity and lyes , and on his own head shall his false vision fall ; a rebuke into silence shall come upon him , the sin is his ; writing presumptuously , and arrogantly , and the judgement there of shall he feel , and all that believe him ; truth shall be established , and his lying tongue is but for a moment , then his lye he adds to his message , which is that the lord jesus is fighting against them * with the sword of his mouth , &c. what wicked presentation is this to the chief rulers of nations , even lyes , one heaped upon another , to suggest into the minds of men , to stir up wrath in their hearts , against the just : nay , jesus is our prince of peace and righteousness , and is with us , and fights for us , and who can be against us , none but such as are his enemies , and have denied him , and his light , and counted it a perverse principle , o how fain would john stelham , ( sinful indeed ) gain a kingdom by flattery , and have praise of his work by his lyes , which he hath made his refuge , and his weapon too , they that believe him shall perish with him , that 's all that may be said ; his flattering titles and words of guile , may gain upon the wicked , but the just man is preserved from the fury of a deceitful tongue , then his ( supposed ) humbly supplicate after his false vision and lying messages is , that every person whatsoever , may not , impune , strike them * corporeally , &c. this appears fair in words , if his meaning were right , yet while he supplicates , that every one may not , though whether he means any one may not , ( i determine not ) strike them corporeally , &c. yet to publish his lyes , and errors , and slanders he would have liberty , and this is but so much more secretly , to strike in the greater hypocrisie , in more crafty subtility ; and indeed , well may the priests of england be ashamed of what hath already been acted , as to striking and cruel abuses , and works of that nature , the blood of many harmless hath been spilt wofully in streets and steeple-houses , through the means of the false prophets , and it may be they will now take another weapon , seeing that hath failed , and not wrought effect , no more shall any formed weapon against the innocent , and though s●me of them have shamefully cryed , fight lads for the gospel ▪ others may with as much hypocrisie write for the fighting lads , and in as great deceit : and then he gives an exhortation in his supplicate , and saith , be pleased to let them * know , that we are guarded by a better law , then what they upbraid us with ; its time to be ashamed that you have been so long guarded by a popish law , yet the secret craft of this man is noted , in this subtil suggestion , a better law would he have , what , doth it too much shame you , by the name of popish law , and would you be less discovered , if the law of the same virtue , were of another authority than queen mary , and of another dominion than the pope , therefore a law from the protector he would supplicate , if possible , that however we may not have liberty to divulge our doctrine in their assemblies , as he saith , and then this evil man , and deceiver , who waxes worse and worse in his way , impudently slanders the way of god , and reproaches the doctrine of the gospel of christ , and would wickedly make men ( more honest than himself ) believe ▪ that these mens * tenents , as he saith , are as reprobate stuffe as the jesuits , their blasphemies as horrid as the popish parasites ▪ oh the wickedness and impudence which hath appeared out of this mans heart in those few words , wickedness , in that his words are lyes , and devilish ; and impudent , in that he dares thus to appear to an authority , with the dedication of lyes ; let him take notice of this ▪ we are clear from his false accusations , and of popish doctrines ; but they that are one with him , are not from being guarded with a popish law , and these are truly romes subjects , who are guarded with his law , more than we are romes emissaries , which secretly he would cast upon us , and make the protector and his council believe it , if their hearts be so hardened : but better is thought upon concerning them , though i. s. would make them evil , suggesting evil into their hearts : but a false prophet is known by his lyes and slanders , and secret smiting ; and then he saith , he would have some of this sect * more narrowly watched , &c. and stigmatized : oh cruelty ! out of the abundance of the heart his mouth utters , like a pot boyling , with anger that cannot contain it within the mouth , what lodges in the heart of this man , consider , what less , then in their hearts , who were q●een maries jesuits and priests , if the protector and council would answer , the cruel intent of his mind , as queen mary did theirs , balaam , or worse he is ; for he hath sought inchantment , and would curse before they sent for him to do so , but it shall return on his own head , who is watched against , for a wolf and devourer , and stigmatzed for a deceiver , and false deviner , one who art marked for a false prophet , and known to be so , by every one who is taught of god , and in the end of all this secretly uttered wickedness , and cruelty , insinuatingly , expressed ▪ to suggest evil into the minds of men , more honest than himself , he wishes for blessing upon his highness and honours , that they may discern true spirits from false , such who proceed out of the mouth of the false prophet , from such as proceeds from the father , and from the son , indeed of such a gift of discerning they have need , and by the fruits they may try every spirit , and in a just tryal , by just judgement , are thou tryed , and thy spirit is made manifest , to be the spirit which proceeds out of the mouth of the d●agon , who wars against the saints , and out of the mouth of the b●ast , who hath many heads and many horns , which beast arose up in the apostacy since the apostles dayes , and thy spirit is made manifest to be that spirit of the false prophet , who deceive ▪ the nations , for thy fruits doth discover thee a lyar , aslanderer , a perverter of the right way of god , art thou proved , and such things proceeds out of the mouth of the false pro , and so let them beware of thy spirit , who art not guided by the spirit of christ jesus , nor of the father , but a worker of darkness , and a reviler of the light of cstrist , calling it ( false prophet-like , as being led with the spirit of the dragon , and of the beast ) perverse principle : we have measured thy spirit to be as i have said , and he that speaks otherwise , speaks a lye , and if the protector and his council believe otherwise ▪ they believe a lye , and cannot obtain a blessing , though thou with thy lying spirit pray for them , whom god ( the father of blessings ) hears not , but is against thee ; and this is my prayer , the lord rebuke thee , and thy wicked tongue , and give the protector and his council a better understanding than to believe thee , else will the lord make them cursed to themselves , and to the nations , of them my heart hopes better things , and this might serve for a full answer to thy whole book , and by this little of thy work that i have viewed , & turned nto the sight of all , art thou discovered , to be an enemy to god , and a secret envier of his people , and by what thou hast said it appears what the rest of the whole matter can be , an evil spirit cannot bring forth good works , but yet a little further , is thy matter unvayled for the sake of the upright . and further , i. s. after his wicked presentation to the rulers of this nation , with lyes and evil speeches proceeding out of his old heart , he writes an epistle ( out of the same heart ) to the church , as he calls them , wherein is many words uttered , but altogether tasted with that leaven of his malice , against quakers and quakerism , who seems to be the greatest burthen upon his evil heart , because truth is among them , and if truth go on , his deceit will be more made manifest , wither , and perish , and so as subtilly as may be he would defend himself , in the sight of his church that his shame may not appear before them ( it may be lest his hire should be abated ) and he seems to cast a cloak upon them , but whether out of pure love to their souls , or for his own gain , and such a sum of money , god knowes ; however the least child in the truth dwelling in the light , sees his length , and can measure his state , and knows that good cannot come from an old lying heart ▪ and he speaks something of wondring after the beast and false prophet , but hath not described what the beast is , and the false prophet : and i refer the reader to a book called , the measure of the times : wherein the priests of england , such as i. s. is reproved according to the scripture , to be the very branches of the same root of false prophets which all the world wondered after in johns time ; and though he speak much to his church of christ without , and of his birth , blood , and his righteousness , and justification thereby ▪ &c. but to all that , i say , all are reprobates but such in whom christ is within them , and none are justified but such , nor hath any part in the inheritance of god , though they may profess never so much of christ without , and what he hath done for others , yet except he be within them too , to change and renew them , and give them power over all their sins , their profession of him is vain . i am no picker of quarrels , else many of his words might be searched , which i run over hastily , knowing his voice to be the voice of a stranger , and not of christ , who never made use of an old sinful heart to pen epistles to churches . but into this lets search ; he saith , christ blessed infants-baptism : where , or when , i ask proof of this , and till then i say i. s. hath belyed christ , and the generation of the just ; well may he belye us , when he hath belyed christ , who could not bless that which there was not : there was no infants baptism that ever we read of in his dayes : sure people will be more wise than to be established through lyes , else their sin be upon them , if through hardness of heart they be given up to believe lyes , that they may perish . he speaks of a well ordered conversation ; indeed this seems hypocrisie , to exhort others ( their churches ) to that which many of the independen teachers have not themselves , who are hirelings , and takes gifts , and rewards for preaching , and is in the way of all the deceivers of old ; and they that do these things have not a well ordered conversation , but a conversing with the generation of ungodly , and when we read the plain words of christ , luke 17. the kingdom of heaven is within you : he saith , we madly wrest the reading of the words , when we neither ●dd nor diminish ; now he seems to say , it is the kingdom of heaven among you , and not the kingdom of heaven within you ; and so blames the scripture , and confounds the doctrine of many of the independents , who say , the scriptures is believers rule ; but he seems to charge the scripture with false translation , and therefore is subject to alteration , and so cannot be the rule of believers according to his own account , and thus by wicked men are we blamed when we do not speak according to scripture language , and now as wickedly charged by i. s. for speaking just in the scripture expressions , with madly wresting the words , but thus it was before , and whatsoever we do now by our enemies must be reviled , and our words abused , contrary to our innocent intents . then in the end of his epistle , he desires the prayers of his church , that his reply may be accompanied with power according to the truth of it . indeed so it shall , and no more ; according to the truth of it , which is very f●lshoods and deceits ; so shall the power of the lord confound it , and turn it into folly and confusion , as may be seen by a sober man , who this following ▪ doth with patience read , and weigh . then many things is uttered by him in his epistle to the reader , he seems to shew he saith , how r. f. and his associates have made up a litter and fardel of erronious divinity : and secretly charging us with making up of what we profess from some writers before us . but to this i answer , his reproachful words , litter , and fardel , and erronious , we bear with patience , rather rejoycing that we are accounted worthy of the reproach for the truths sake from an envious man , than to be angry with our reproaches : but however , let him and all our enemies know , what we profess and bear witness of , we receive not from man , but from god , even the gospel which we testifie of , by the revelation of jesus christ in us , we received it ; and informs others to the same door , which is , by our ministry , that they may receive the same : and this is but his poor shift , to undervalue the power and truth of jesus , in the sight of men , who would falsly make men believe , that our doctrines are but the spawn of many ancient errors , as he saith , brooded by some moderne writers , when as the doctrine of christ and the apostles we bear witness to by the same spirit , and not to any other authors who were without the spirit of jesus : and all these shifts ●aves not the priests of england from being discovered , and their deceits and abominations to be made manifest by our light and doctrine , which is the light of christ , and the doctrine of the holy men of god before us . and further , his wickedness appears by reproaching and reviling dead men , such as h. n. jacob b. w. e. with others , whom i confidently believe were men in their generation more honest than himself , and more upright with god , and sincere in what was made known to them , than this same reviler who is set to revile both living and dead , if they do but cross his fancy : let all men take notice of these things , and of his rebukes , with an evil heart , whom the lord doth and will rebuke by the spirit of his mouth , in the day of his just judgements , who art a reviler of the just both living and dead : and all along in that epistle , as in the rest of his book , which is the rebukes of a reviler , he bends his very tongue , as the poyson of asps being under it , against the quakers , reckoning them with the papists , and such others ; but this is but as the pharisees his fore-fathers did , who numbered the son of god , and condemned him with transgressors , and betwixt two theeves . and in the end , he desires his reader to receive in love , what in his book is found agreeable to the spirit of god in scripture truth , agreed ; so let it be , and therefore many things in his book , which is not given forth by the spirit of god , nor according to the scripture truth , which the honest reader may find upon a serious reading and search , with the spirit of god , and according to the scripture is to be judged and condemned , and not received ; what shall the honest reader receive this for truth , that the light of christ jesus is a preverse principle , and that christ blessed infants baptism , with very many such like things of the like nature proceeding from the same spirit , which is proved not to be of god ▪ but of the devil , for every tree is known by its fruit , and every spirit by its works , and words : many other things more devilish , if more devilish can be ; he charges us withal in a most unreasonable manner , that our religion is the fort of babel , and that jesuitical plots and designes are carried on by some of us ; and quakerism is built upon the fourfold pillar of papistry , with such like ; the very transcribing of his words shewes his wicked spirit by his unsavory words ; which things we do deny in the presence of the lord , and are clear in his sight from these divilish accusations ▪ though i. s. play the devils part , in this epistle as well as in his whole book : and is an accuser of the brethren , and is to be cast out and judged , with the life of god , and to give testimony against his lyes and slanders is sufficient answer , and the next time he enterprises the like work , we demand of him witness of his words , what these jesuitical flots and designes are , we do carry on ; which slander is so divelish could he prove what he saith ▪ his words would take away our lives ; but to raise the unclean spirits against us , though the nations is truly supposed the purpose of his words , and not being content with what he himself can believe us in , his work reaches to raise the rage of whole nations to execute their fury as well as his own upon us , and so his words gives ground to all the wicked that doth believe h●m ( for none else can ) to persecute the people , and way of the lord , under the false account of being plotters , and of having ill designes , which things we stand witness against , and seeks the peace of all men , though he have bent his tongue for lyes , and brazen'd his face to utter them without fear or shame , to suggest evil into mens minds that they may harm the upright , but it is known by his words what lodgeth in the heart of such a person , who thus openly and impudently doth slander just men to the taking away of life ▪ if any were so divilish to witness lyes and slanders , as he is in forging of them , and declaring of them , and that to the protector and his council too ; but from these things we being clear , are the more ready to bear his lyes with patience , and doth not pray for fire to devour him , though he be our enemy and the lords ; but rather wishes his returning from his ungodliness , than a destruction upon him in his ungodliness ; and whereas the substance of his matter invented in his mind and brought forth into view , is a going about to prove that in twenty two particulars mentioned by him , we do contradict the scriptures , but his ground is false from whence his whole work proceeds , for not in any particular of what is mentioned do we contradict the scriptures , though his whole work be founded upon this thing , of our contradiction to scripture , and while we be approved in the sight of the lord , we reckon his s●●nders to be rather a testimony to us , that we are of god , than a discouraging of us in the wayes of god : and we do not allow that i. s. be our interpreter , and the expositor upon our words : for then no question but he will judge out of his prejudicial mind , false judgement , and pervert the innocent words into contradiction of scripture , and of our selves , but to the single mind and witness of god in every man we appeal for judgment , and doth in the sight of god commend our selves to every mans conscience , and begs not belief of any , but knows all that be in the light of the son of god witnesseth to us , and feels our doctrine to be the doctrine of godliness , reaching to the witness of god in every one whereby we are a good savour to god in all , and though i. s. judge our doctrine to be scripture contradictions , yet his judgement is but out of his old lying heart , which can bring forth no better than it self even false judgement , and lying words , which out of it hath plentifully abounded , in his false rebukes ; therefore let the reader first search into the ground from whence his work and judgement doth spring , and try if an old lying heart , and sinful wretch ( as he confesses he is ) can bring forth good fruit ; no , we matter not what his judgement of us be , when as we know the heart is corrupt from whence it doth spring , not in the light of the spirit of god , do we in any one particular insisted upon , by him contradict the scriptures , though by his dark minde so he wickedly judgeth of us , even as the pharisees , his forefathers , did judge of christ to be a blasphemer and a contradictor of moses , and the prophets , who did fulfil them , and put them to an end , and not destroy them , nor contradict them not in the sight of his father , though to their corrupt judgement ; and christ tells them that they erred not knowing the scriptures , nor the power of god , who had old lying hearts , & were sinful wretches , even such as john stelham hath confessed himself to be , and therefore his words and judgment , and theirs is like to be all of one nature ▪ judging truth to be error , and the way of god to be heresie and blasphemy , this the pharisees did of old , and even thus doth john stelham and his companions do at this day ; but why should any be troubled hereat , seeing herein christs words are fulfilled upon us , who said , they shall speak all manner of evil falsly against you for my names sake ; and so hath this man done with his light scornful spirit , and fulfilled christs words , who because he hath not known the father , nor the son , hath spoken evil falsly against them that follow christ , and this were sufficient answer to his whole book ; yet let us see what follows , and let the reader try with all moderation , that he may be edified , and may know the true spirit from the false , and the doctrine of the gospel from lying visions ; and may cleave to the truth , and escape the error , and let none believe hastily , things uttered without knowledge , out of i. s. deceitful heart . forasmuch as many of the servants of the lord have been moved of the lord to set forth in order , several declarations of those things which the light of the glorious gospel shining in their hearts , hath given them the knowledge of ▪ and for this end are they published , that others also may know the certainty and truth of those things which are believed , known , and enjoyed amongst us , not that they can be known by reading the letter in which they are delared , but through their diligence and obedience to the light wherewith christ hath enlightened them [ though not for it ] which is the same light which shined in our hearts , and gave us the light of the knowledge of the glory of god in the face of jesus christ , by which light of the glorious gospel who are faithful in it to the lord , their understandings come to be opened , that they stumble not at those things which are testified in the truth , neither at that which is declared in other scriptures , but it being that in this our day it hath pleased the f●ther to bring forth in life and power that mercy and truth ( which the scripture speaks of ) by which iniquity is purged out , and as it is become a savour of life unto life in those that receive and believe in it , so it is also become a savour of death unto that death which rema●ns in both priests and people in this age , who hates the light who can scarce hear it named or that people should be turned unto it ( as the apostle did turn them from darkness to the light , and from the power of satan unto god that they might receive the remission of their sins , and be partakers of the inheritance amongst them that are sanctified ) but when they hear that preached or printed , which they may do , and out of which they cannot receive the remission of their sins , then envie riseth up in them , and a perverse mind , and ungodly speeches , and false accusations , saying , that we speak of a natural light , and of a natural conscience , when as we speak of the true light which hath enlightened every one that cometh into the world , and in which christs doctrine stood which said to the people , and to the pharisees again , and again , i am the light of the world , as joh. 8. 12 joh. 12. 46. but now because the light is come , and the glory of the lord is risen upon us , and we declare it freely , as we have received it ; therefore is flouds of ungodliness risen up against us , but it is impossible that the seed which the lord is manifesting his light and power to bring forth , should be kept alwayes under the power of death , which seed is now terrible in the lords power , and will yet be more terrible as his power encreaseth , which is now going forth as an army with banners , for the torment of the wicked is already begun , because the righteousness of god is now spreading over the nations , and neither the rulers of the darkness of this world , nor all the printings and preachings of those who be out of the life of god , can hinder that which the lord hath begun and is carrying on by his own power , though the nations are angry , because that by the light of his glorious gospel shining forth , his wrath is revealed upon them for their ungodly deeds , that the scripture which cannot be broken may be fulfilled ; and therefore it were better for them to be silent , and put their mouths in the dust ▪ if so be , for them ▪ there may be hope , then to rise up against that wihch is more unchangeable than the heavens and the earth , and therefore in vain have the enemies of god ▪ and people , in all professions joyned themselves together against the light of truth , and the way of the lord , which many in our dayes have fallen upon , but is broken to pieces , and it hath fallen upon many and grinded them to pouder , and nothing shall escape , for the day of the lord is come , and it is very nigh to you that hate it , a day of darkness , and of gloominess of clouds , and of thick darkness ( and now the seed of god is ) as the morning spread upon the mountains a great people and a strong , there hath not been ever the like , neither shall there be any more after it● even to the years of many generations , a fire goeth before them , and behind them a flame burneth , the land is as the garden of eden , before them and behind them a desolate wilderness , and nothing shall escape them , the appearance of them is a● the appearance of horses , and as horse-men , so shall they run , &c. the earth shall quake before them , the heavens shall tremble , the sun and moon shall be dark , and the stars shall withdraw their shining , and the lord shall utter his voyce before his army ( as he now doth ) for h●s camp is very great for he is strong that executeth his word , for the day of the lord is great and very terrible , and who can abide it . and now , according as the prophet joel prophesied , is it come , and coming to pass , joel 2. 2 , 3 , 4 , 10 , 11. against which seed , men of corrupt minds , and reprobate concerning the things of god , are risen up , who in their first appearance , in their writings , profess themselves to be that which they are not , seeming right unto many through their feigned words , and fair sp●eches , deceiving the hearts of the simple , for whom christ died : but afterwards in the same writings ( to those that see ) they manifest themselves what they are , and being so considered as they are seen and known cannot deceive , and therefore to all people who desire to be edified and satisfied in the ground and truth of things as they are made manifest by the lord , to the light in you i speak , that in it you may be able to understand truth in what i say , and by the truth to judge of things that differ , for such as the tree is , such is the fruit ; an evil tree cannot bring forth good fruit , neither can one fountain send forth sweet water , and bitter . now as concerning a book given forth by john stelham ( priest at terling in essex ) who having an evil eye because gods is good , and being fil●ed with indignation , because god hath mercy on his own seed whom he hath blessed , hath out of the abundance of his heart spoken it forth ; now the way to know that which is spoken in darkness is to read it in the light , and i● his t●stimony in any thing , as coming from him , is to be believed , it is that which is concerning his own condition ; and if his estate and condition be such , that in it he can receive the things of god , and minister them to others , then they may be received : but if his condition be such , that in it he cannot receive the things of the spirit of god , then that which cannot receive ▪ cannot minister , and so he is to be silent , and none to expect the things of god from him , being neither fit to reprove , nor to rebuke , but to be reproved and rebuked , as will appear as followeth : the ground in him , and the heart out of which this abundence of words in his book proceeds ; in it ( as he declares ) is yet the root of all error , and of all sin is in him and seen by him not mortified , and that he hath an old lying heart , and flesh , wherein there dwells no truth , no good thing , a sinful wretch and worm , subscribing himself the sinful john stelham , as in his introduction , in page 80. and page 117 ▪ now therefore , we having found out the root and the ground , to be a root of error , and the ground of deceit , and a heart wherein dwells no truth , nor no good thing ; therefore from that which is unclean shall we not expect that which is clean to proceed , nor truth from that wherein dwells no truth , but from the lying heart and deceitful tongue hath the lord delivered us , so that if we be called revilers and be rebuked , and a charge laid against us , as to contradict the scriptures of god , and be called antiscriptural , antichristian , and antispiritual , we have now learned to know whence it doth proceed , even from the old lying heart , and flesh , wherein there dwells no truth ; and we can bear it because we know that till that heart be taken away , and a new heart known wherein is truth . we must be reproached , and spoken evil of falsly , for his sake who hath taken away the old lying heart , and hath given us a new heart wherein truth dwelleth , and where truth proceeds out from , and herein are we manifest from the children of this generation , and herein are the two states known , and the two conditions of men , according to the testimony of scripture , and the parable which jesus spoke , luke 6. 39. can the blind lead the blind , shall they not both fall into the ditch ? and vers. 45. a good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good ; and , an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil , for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh : and hereby is the tree known by his fruits , and the heart of the wicked was ever filled with lying and vanity , and understanding was hid from them , the lord was grieved with such that did err in their hearts , and had not known his wayes , psal. 95. 10. and such their hearts was fat as grease , and in their hearts they imagined mischief , and studied destruction , psal. 119 ▪ 70 psal. 140. 2. and this was an evil which was under the sun , that the hearts of the sons of men was full of evil and madness while they live , eccles. 9. 3. and such a heart was in the scribes and pharisees a lying heart wherein dwelt no truth , filled with evil thoughts , as christ said , wherefore think ye evil in your hearts , matth. 9. 4. and out of the heart did arise all false accusations ; calling the truth blasphemy , and the way of it heresie , and such who be in the state as john stelham confesseth he is , was never appointed by the lord to watch over souls , but such where christ did dwell in their hearts , and because they were sons , god sent forth the spirit of his son into their hearts , eph. 3. 17. gal 46. and such had truth in their hearts doing the will of god from the heart , and did draw neer unto god with a true heart , in full assurance of faith , having their hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience , and their bodies washed with pure water ; these did not profess the things of god in an old lying heart , wherein dwelt no truth , but called upon the name of the lord with a pure heart , and said that the end of the commandment was charity out of a pure heart , and of a good conscience , and of faith unfeigned , from which some swarved ( in the apostles dayes ) having turned aside unto vain jangling , and such desired to be teachers of others , but the doctrine is corrupt , and the ministry of faith is not held where the heart and conscience is not pure ; and the lord is good unto such who be of a clean heart . now as concerning the scriptures . john stelhams testimony from the old lying heart wherein dwells no truth , is this , that the scriptures are the word of god , and truly so called , and the letter and scripture is all one , as page 3 , 4. but to contradict that himself he saith in page 5. the letter taken strictly is but legal administration using these words , the letter killeth , i. e ▪ the bare legal command without a promise of power or pardon , as a bare letter void of strength , life , and spirit ; it leaveth all men under a killing sentence ▪ and curse : let them that have understanding judge . again , as concerning the letter in page 6. he expresseth himself thus , ( the spirit is given by it . ) and in the next words saith the scripture is but instrumental to the spirit . now mark , the letter taken strictly being legal without a promise of power or pardon , void of strength , life , and spirit , ( the spirit to be given by this which he confesseth is void of strength , life , and spirit ) and is but instrumental to the spirit , whether this be not contradiction and confusion , let them that read judge : for in reading these things which he hath published , many may seal to the confession of his own condition to be truth ▪ but that which he hath declired of the things of god to be false ; for now the light being broken forth , such doctrine cannot be received , nor beleeved ; that the spirit is given by the letter , but that which is declared in the letter , was given forth from the spirit , which was in them which spoke it forth ; but people may long have the letter , and think in it to find god and eternal life , and may die in their sins , though i. s. say that not one man in the world , knows god to be god , till he finds him in the scripture . but i say unto him as christ said unto the pharisees , who had neither heard his voyce at any time , nor seen his shape , had not his word abiding in them , nor did not believe in the light , and that he was the light which did enlighten every man that cometh into the world , search the scriptures , for in them ye think ye have eternal life , and they are they which testifie of me , saith christ the life , but those thought that they had the life in the scriptures , deceived them , for they wanted the life when they thought they had it & so i. s. thoughts that he hath the spirit by the letter , deceives him , for when he finds the spirit & eternal life , then his old lying heart in which is no truth , but the root of error will be taken away , and so the light which cometh from christ the life , in which the spirit is received , condemneth all such thoughts , for they proceed out of that heart which is not upright before the lord ▪ neither is it set to seek the lord in that way in which he and his spirit is found . again , i. s. talking of the scriptures , intrudes into things which he hath not seen , comparing it with that which he hath seen , and so in what he saith he is blind , saying , the scriptures is a more standing rule , than visions . to which i answer , the night is upon him , that he hath no vision , and therefore doth not know what a vision is a rule unto , nor the continuance of it , as those in israel , which said that every vision fa●leth , and so would not have them a standing rule , and that reproach of the visions of god , was so common , that it was become a proverb amongst them ; but the prophet who was in the light ▪ and had the vision of the lord ▪ and had the word of the lord , he was to reprove that proverb , and to tell them that they should no more use it as a proverb in israel , and said , the dayes are at hand , and the effect of every vision ; and so with the light , who be in it doth now reprove all such proverbs and preachings against the visions of god , for from the visions was the scriptures spoken forth , and that which they had seen they declared ; so that which gives forth words is greater than the words , and without vision the people perish , and they may perish while they have the letter , but they cannot perish while they have the vision ; and although there be vain visions , they do not make the true of none effect . and although there be sorceryes and enchantment that doth not make the true resurrection of the dead of none effect ; but the blind must stumble at the things which they do not see . again , i. s. saith , that the authority of the scriptures is owned among the jewes to this day . answ. no , christ is not owned amongst them who is the authority , and power , unto which the scriptures give testimony that he is so , neither are they yet converted , as thou thy self confessest , and they who be in the unconverted estate , doth not own the authority of the scriptures though such may talk of them , as thou dost , speaking that of them which they never spoke of themselves . again , i. s. saith , in the 17. page , as deep things as the spirit hath revealed , they are all in the scripture . answ. nay , there was things revealed which was unutterable , and many things which was revealed , and also written , which is not in the scripture ; as the book of nathan the prophet , and the prophesie of ahijah the shil●●mit● , and the visions of iddoa the seer , which was against jer●b●ans the son of nabat , 2 chron 9. 29. and the book of shemath the prophet , 2 chron. 1. 2. 15. and the book of jehu , 2 chron. 20. 34. and the book of gad the seer , 1 chron ▪ 29. 29. and the book of jaser , 2 sam. 1. 18. and the prophesie of enoch , who prophesied of the coming of christ in his saints , to execute judgement upon all , and to convince all that are uugodly of all their ungodly deeds and hard speeches , which ungodly sinners have spoken against him , as jude beareth witness ; and he also saw and prophesied , of israel according to the flesh , that they should do wickedly , and slay him who was the light of the world : and much more which is not written in the bible ; and that which was manifest unto paul , which he wrote to the corinthians , in an epostle , not to company with fornicators ; that whole epistle is not in the bible , 1 cor. 5. 9. and likewise that which was revealed unto paul in the dispensation of the grace of god , given unto him how that by revelation god made known unto him the mystery , which he wrote unto the ephesians in a few words whereby they when they read , they might understand his knowledge in the mystery of christ which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men as it was then revealed unto his holy angels and prophets by the spirit , which epistle , in which that mystery was written , is not in the bible , ephes. 3. 3. and the epistle which paul wrote to the laod●ceans , which he charged the colossians to read amongst them , ( and that theirs should be read in the church of the laodeceans ) wherin his thanks and prayers to god was for their stedfastness in the truth wherein he made manifest the unprofitable talkers , who went about to draw them from the truth of the gospel , and from their diligence in good works of eternal life , as many vain , and unprofitable talkers are in the world now doing the same work . and whereas i. s. saith , that the epistle of paul to the colossians was read as the word of the lord in the church of the laodeceans : why doth he not as well ●ear witness that pauls epistle to the laodeceans was read as the word of the lord amongst the colossians , col. 4. 16 ▪ and if he read in his church the epistle to the colossians as the word of the lord , why doth not he read to his people that which was written to the laodeceans , they both being given forth from one spirit ▪ so let him consider of those things above mentioned , and try whether his words will stand unreprovable , 67 page , saying , god might have revealed more than is in the scripture , but he pleased not so to do : in that page , mentioning samuel ▪ moses , and the prophets , christ and the apostles , saying , all that they have spoken is written both according to what was written before , and for substance the same . answ. what i have spoken , and shall here speak , may sufficiently make manifest that his words proceed from the old lying heart , in which dwells no truth ; for i have shewed out of the prophets , and out of the apostles many things which was both revealed and declared , which is not in the bible written : and likewise i shall shew farther , of the things concerning christ , testified by john , and we know that his testimony is true , saying , and there are also many other things which jesus did , the which if they should be written every one , i suppose that even the world it se●f could not contain the books which should be written , john 21. 25. so that all is not written which was revealed , wrote , and spoken , which if much more were written which was made manifest , by it with that which is written , could they not know the lord , their minds being from the light of christ , which doth reveal and make manifest that which may be known of god in them . and many who have the letter , and are ministers of it , are sensual , having not the spirit , nor the word of god , nor the testimony of jesus , and their ministry is but as chaff to the wheat , and the lord is against them ; for what is the chaff to the wheat , saith the lord , jer. 23. is not my word like a fire , saith the lord , and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces . now many have the letter , and know not the word of the lord as a fire , neither is the rock broken with the letter , and such use their tongue , for it is their own , and the power of the lord is not come over it , such cause the people to err , and doth not profit them , being not sent , nor commanded of the lord , for who are sent and commanded of the lord , the lord useth their tongues to speak his words , which he puts into their mouths , and such words doth profit the people , and not cause them to err , being spoken according to the law , which is light ; and the testimony of jesus , which is the spirit of prophesie ; and such do witness the scriptures , that as they cannot be broken ▪ so they cannot be denied by the spirit which gave them fo●th to be a declaration , of those things which was reveale● , known , and believed : but they are not that which they are a declaration of , the letter testifies of the eternal life , but it is not , it neither gives it : it testifies of the light of the glorious gospel shining in the heart , which gives the light of the knowledge of the glory of god , but it is not that light which gives that knowledge ▪ it testifies of the way , but christ is the way ; and of the word ▪ but god is the word ; and of redemption , but christ is the redemption , and not the letter , though it testifies of justification , and sanctification , but they are wrought by the word in the grace and power of christ , and so every one who will own the scriptures , as they were given forth to be owned must first own that of god in them , which is manifest to work in the creature , that which they testifie of , that christ the power of god they may witness , working all their works in them , and for them , according to the scriptures . but contrary to the scriptures , i. s. from the root of errour , saith , that the written letter is the spiritual arm and sword of the spirit , and that the very power of the written letter puts satan to flight● : and in the same page , saith , that the devil hath scripture in his mouth . answ. let the people take notice , and read the scriptures , and see if there be any such thing that the sword of the spirit was ever in the divels mouth ; for the spiritual armour which is said to be the word of god : but the word of god , w●ich is the sword of the spirit , is that by which he is to be destroyed , and is in the mystery hid from him , and all that follow his lusts : but though the devil , which did not abide in the truth , and his ministers who are out of the truth , may take the letter in their mouths as they have done , and say its written so , but the word of the lord ▪ s not in their mouths , which is the sword of the spirit , and such will use the letter in their mouths which cannot cease from sin , whose eyes are full of adultery , beguiling unstable souls , their heart being exercised with covetous practises , cursed children , which have forsaken the right way , and are in the errour of balaam , loving the wages of unrighteousness , and taking them , and such have the letter in their mouths , but knows not the word of god , which who comes to know , it restrains them from all such practises . again , i. s. from his blindness and root of errour , and lying heart , wherein dwells no truth , but much confusion saith that the letter , i. e. the scriptures is the true ground of the believers faith : and again in the same page saith , that christ in the scriptures is the true ground of faith : and to prove the former , he brings prov. 22. 19. 20 , 21. that thy trust may be in the lord , i have made known to thee this day , even to thee , have not i written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge , that i might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth , that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee . answ. by this scripture the lord is made the ground of faith , and not the letter : and therefore did the prophet make known excellent things in writing , in counsel , and knowledge , and for this end did the apostles both preach and write , that the faith of those which heard them , and read their writtings , might not stand in the wisdom of words , nor in the letter , as its ground , but in christ the power of god , and christ who preached the true doctrine , that in it every one might believe ▪ said to the world , and to the pharisees , while ye have the light , believe in the light , that ye may be the children of light , and these had the letter , but did not believe in the light , which light is christ , and which light is the foundation of faith , and is the foundation of many generations , in which many did believe , before , this letter which declares of it was written ; and that faith which stands in the light , and in the power of god is the ground of the scripture letter , from whence it did proceed ; after they believed they spoke and wrote that which is now declared , in chapters . and every one which come to the true ground of faith , must come to the light to believe in it , that they may be the children of it , and then the scriptures will be profitable unto them , they with the light having the understanding opened to see for what end they were given forth , and how they come to be fulfilled , and witnessed in that which gave them forth ; for the ground of faith to believers is but one both before and since the scriptures was written , which is christ , in whom whosoever believeth shall be saved , let christ be in what he will , for he was the ground of faith , when the letter was not , and he is the ground of faith when it is , and no other foundation for faith can any man lay , than that which is laid , jesus christ who is the true light , and enlighteneth every man that cometh into the world , that all men in him might believe , and they that believe not that he is so , shall die in their sins , as christ saith , joh. 8. 24. but john stelham going on in his own devised fables , would pervert the words of truth , both in our writings , and in the apostles , as it is manifest , in his writing , of this reviling rebuke concerning r. f. and i. n. e. b. and f. h. and others , which whosoever read their words , and his , they may discern truth from devised fables without much reply unto it , as in some places he is mingling his own words with theirs , joyning a lye to the truth , that he may contradict it as false ; as every one that reads with understanding will see , which when they have spoken plain truths , which he himself hath often in his book confessed unto to be truth , will afterwards give his meanings to their words , as he hath done unto the apostles words , saying , if they mean thus , &c. then he goes about to contradict his own meaning , and when he hath contradicted his own meaning ; then he saith he hath contradicted their words , though he have before confessed the truth of their words , so he hath not contradicted the words as they were spoken , but because they spoke not his meaning with the words , therefore the true words must be false in his judgement , and bear his rebuke , as his book doth make manifest , and adding his lye to the words of truth , these two things are his greatest proofs to resist the truth , in page 77. he hath mingled his own words with the words of r. f. in which page he acknowledgeth a former addition , and yet reneweth another . r. f. having been speaking of the light , which enlighteneth every man which cometh into the world , ( he adds ) which where it is ( and it is in every man , it reneweth the judgment , &c ▪ ) he here adding his own , and then rebuking it , would make people believe lyes , that all might be damned who believe not the truth . but on the contrary , for we never have said that every mans judgement is renewed with the light , though they be enlightened , for they are enlightened who hate it ▪ and who are void of true judgement because they hate the light which they be enlightened withal . and also the apostles words he perverts and gives meanings unto , which if he did not they would be a plain testimony with that which he hath set himself to oppose , so giving meanings both to their words , and our words , his meanings must be the ground of his believers faith , and not the scriptures , as he said before . the apostle peter speaking of a more sure word of prophesie , wherein they did well to take heed , as unto a light that shined in a dark place , until the day dawn , and the day-star arise in their hearts , 2 pet. 1. 19. knowing this first , that no prophesie of the scripture is of any private interpretation , for the prophesie came not in old time by the will of man , but holy men of god spake as they were moved of the holy ghost , to this i. s. adds not heart-prophesie , no breast-prophesie , but written down in books , &c. which is contrary to the apostles words , for he doth not exclude heart-prophesie , for there was never any prophesie but did proceed out of the heart before it was written in any book . and the apostle saith , until the day dawn , and the day-star arise in your hearts , and that holy men of god spoke as they were moved by the holy ghost , and that which moved them to speak prophesies was in their hearts , and the apostle did not bid them wait till the day-star did arise in the scriptures , but till it did arise in their hearts , and then he told them how the prophesies of the scriptures came . peter saying , until the day dawn , and the day-star arise in our hearts , i. s. saith , that is until by the study of the scriptures , more light be cleared up , &c. now let all them of understanding , read , and compare his words , and the apostles , and they may well conclude with his confession , that he hath an old lying heart , and flesh , in which dwells no truth , but the root of errour and gainsaying of the truth ; and as for many other of his devised fables , and false meanings , though i let them pass here unanswered ; yet they may be seen with the mind , informed in the truth ; and all who are of god , and of the truth , may know that it is a small matter for us to be rebuked , or judged to be in confusion , who so evidently hath confounded both our words , and the apostles , into his own false meanings , and so contradicts them both ; but that remaineth sure which gave forth the scriptures , and abideth in us , and we know that they cannot be broken , but must be fulfilled , as they were given forth by the word , which they were given forth from , by taking heed unto which the young mans way is cleansed , and by which the old lying heart is reproved , that which was given forth from the spirit , cannot be by it denyed , but that which would darken words without knowledge is denyed ; that which would set up devised fables above christ , the spirit , and scriptures , that by the spirit is denyed without contradiction , and as we shall by the spirit , and by the scriptures try john stelhams doctrine ; which if he deny them both ▪ then by his own argument we shall prove him , and see whether he will own himself to be judged by that with which he would judg others , whether they be messengers sent by gods spirit : his assertion laid down page 60 , to try withal , is ●his : such messengers as speak more than is in the scripture , are not sent by gods spirit , nor guided by him to what they say . by this then is all that of him before mentioned , cast out , being both more , and contrary , to what is in the scripture ; as also that which is to be declared , as followeth in his second head , as he calls it , of scripture contradiction ; he is speaking concerning a trinity , and three persons : which words a●e not spoken in the scriptures , he naming the father , son , and spirit , by such names as the scripture never did : and so about words and names which the scripture doth not mention , arising out of the devination of his heart doth he multiply words to hide the truth , and shut the kingdom from men , and so hath no ground , for the word three persons , from the scripture , but the scripture in one translation speaking of christ being the express image of the fathers person , and in another translation saith , that he is the express figure of the fathers substance , as he is witnessed to be by those that know him , and so till he find the word three persons and trinity in the scriptures ▪ let him own his own rule to judge him , to be no messenger sent by gods spirit , because he speaks more than is in the scripture , who saith , the holy ghost is a person , and this person dwells in saints , though not personally : ( mark this ) a person dwell in the saints not personally : all this confusion is as tares , which men gather , which must be bound in bundles and cast into the fi●e ; for what is the chaff to the wheat , or what is a i such invented words to the knowledge of the father , son , and spirit , which are one , which bear record in heaven ; and there are three that bear witness in earth , the spirit , the water , and the blood , and these three agree in one , and when these are known in their witness in man , what they witness unto , and what they witness against within and without , such will give them names according to their works ▪ and according to the scriptures . the third head of john stelhams scripture contradiction is concerning the light which every man is enlightened withal ; which of all things is most hated by all such whose wayes , words , and works , are contrary to it ; for it being risen in the hearts of the children of men , to give the knowledge of the truth , hath in this day made many wiser than their teachers , and now they which have caused people to err , are by the light seen , and by the children of light are denyed : and they being denyed , their envie is up against the light which hath made them manifest ; and they walk not by the light , nor according to the scriptures , but there is a line of confusion comes over them ; by which now they walk , and from which their writings doth proceed , as john stelham in page 52 saith , they may affirm agreeable to the scripture , and yet contradict the scriptures in saying that christ is in every man , or that the light in every man leads to the father ; and saith , christ , god , or as god is in every man , and a spark of his godhead light is in every man , but there is not in every man that redemption light which leads to the father . that light which christ hath enlightned every man withal leads to the father , all who are led by it and believe in it , and condemns all from the father which do not obey it , but hate it , and speak dispitefully against it , who are turned out from god who is light and truth , into the confusion , saying , that the god-head-light is not the redemption-light ; but with the light that lye and confusion is judged for ever : and in affirming that the godhead light is in every man , and then calling it common and old creation-light , and scripture-light , page 61 ▪ and the light of nature , page 74 , 75. & a legal light , page 76. and a created light , page 78. and an universal light , ( unto which i say , as god is , so is his light , and so is his godhead not created , nor natural , and as every one comes to know the light , which by i. s. is so reviled , they shall neither follow , nor believe his doctrine , till he can prove when the light of the godhead was created , and how it became natural , or legal , or where he had those names , for the scriptures doth give no such names to the light ; and so by his own rule he speaking more than is in the scripture , is not a messenger sent by gods spirit , nor guided by it in what he saith . as also in other things , as in page 64. saying , that light without scripture is no light : then enoch's light in which he walked with god was no light , nor jacobs light , nor isaacs , nor abrahams , for they were without these writings , and this letter which he calls the scriptures ; but they were not without light : and thousands have so much light , whether they have the scriptures or not as to see this darkness , as to say light , though saving light without scripture is no light ; did the scriptures make the light to be light , and was the saving light made by that which was written , let all take notice and turn away from such : in another place he calls the scriptures but the declaration that christ is the word , and calleth them a vessel that the light is put into , in page 43. and 44. now let them of understanding consider and judge whether the vessel be the maker of that which is put into it , and whether wine that is put into a bottle be made wine by the bottle , or whether is it not wine without the bottle , and water put into a vessel be not water without the vessel , or whether the vessel make it to be water : john stelham saith , every verse of scripture is a little vessel of light , and that light without scripture is no light , so these things have i laid open , that every one may see how the lord hath turned wise men backward , and made their wisdom foolishness , and that they may see how those stumble and fall , and are snared , and taken ; whose light is turned into darkness , and how great that darkness is , and now are the scriptures not denied , but fulfilled , for now is the light and truth come into the world , by which they are found to be blind which said they saw , and in which they see , that were blind , and now the depths are seen which are covered with darkness , and babylon is seen the mother of harlots which bring forth in confusion , and bind up in ignorance other confusions and lyes i shall also mention , given forth by i. s. in his book . as page 68. he saith , that god was , and is the word , according to joh. 1. 1. and in page 69. he saith , the father is not the word , nor never so called ( which is contradiction ) and in page 70. saith , christ is more in the scriptures than in his saints ( which is false ) for greater was that which the words came from than the words , which did but declare of the fulness from whence they came ▪ as all that know christ will bear witness unto , and against all such that say christ is more in the words than in them which speak the words . again , in page 73. he saith christ the author of salvation to them that obey him , speaking in the scripture saveth by the scripture ( which is false and contrary to the testimony of the scriptures and the witness of them which witnessed his salvation , who said , by his life are we saved , and by grace through faith which was the gift of god , and not by the letter ; and their witness was true for god & his works , & against all such who are of a lying heart , and spirit of errour , who would make the letter to be the light ( yea more , even that which makes light to be light , and so greater ; for that which makes a thing is greater than the thing that is made , and would have the letter to be the word , when as the letter saith ▪ god is the word , and would make the scriptures to be that by which people are saved , as in page 73 saying ▪ christ saveth by the scriptures , but the scriptures speak no such thing of themselves , for they say that there is no other name under heaven by which men can be saved , but by the name of jesus ▪ neither is there such a word written in the bible that say men is saved by scriptures , nor that the light of the godhead is natural as i. s. saith , that he may set up a light of scriptures as he calleth it . and he speaks in page 82. of having our minds darkned with the light of scriptures ; mark , doth that light , which he hath in all his book been exalting above the godhead light , and above that light which christ hath enlightened every man withal , darken mens minds , what is it then that must enlighten them , here is his testimony of the light brought up to the full , that all , who can receive it may believe it , for he saith to us , if our minds were not darkned , with the light of the scriptures , the two texts in rom. 10. 18. and col. 1. 23. might resolve us how the gospel is preached to every creature , and not to the principle of light in the conscience , how can the scripture resolve us of the light , if it darken our minds , but by these things this is made manifest , that darkness hath blinded his eyes that he neither knows the light , nor the scriptures which was given forth from it . again , another of his contradictions concerning the light in page 23 , 24. compared with page 75. is this , saying the light that shined in pauls heart , and the light that shineth in the scripture is the same light , and god who shineth in the heart by gospellight , according to the apostles words , 2 cor. 4. 4. contrary unto which in his 75 page saith . that the gospel light about matters of salvatio● , of which the apostle speaks , never entered , never shined into mens hearts . answ to this let all take notice , and consider , whether of these two ( contraries ) they are to believe : the one saying , god shineth in their hearts by gospel light : and the other saith , it never entred nor shined into mens hearts : but if the scriptures or the apostle is to be believed , he saith , for god who commanded the light to shine out of darkness , hath shined in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of god in the face of jesus christ , but we have this treasure in earthen vessels , that the excellency of the power may be of god , and not of us , ●cor. 4. 6 , 7. here was the light of the gospel shining in their hearts in matters of salvation ▪ giving them the knowledge of the glory of god in the face of jesus christ , and they were the vessels in which the light did shine , and from which they spoke the hidden wisdom of god in a mystery , and so that which they spoke of the light , and of the gospel is yet a mystery unto such whose eye is blinded , with the god of this world , and the wayes of unrighteousness , knowing neither the light nor the gospel of salvation , but filling up their line of confusion as hath been already manifest ; and may further be made manifest . again , john stelham in his 6. head of scripture contradiction speaks concerning the law , and goes about to distinguish between the two covenants which the scriptures speaks of , but knows not what he speaketh , nor of what he affirmeth , but contrary to the scriptures speaking of a moral and of a ceremonial law which the scriptures speaks of no such words , nor no such distinctions , as of a moral law to be the covenant of works , and that the ceremonial law is not a covenant of works , but of grace . and whereas he tells of a covenant of nature which is one with the covenant of works ; and so here is several covenants which i. s. hath made , and several names here given to the covenants which god never gave , nor they which spoke of the covenants never gave such names to the law in the words of scripture as moral , legal ▪ natural , ceremonial , so that is all without , and contrary to the scripture language . and whereas he goeth about to prove adam to be under a moral law , which he calls a law of works , but hath no scripture to prove it from , but from his suppositions : as thus , if it was not of grace , it was a covenant of works ▪ and again , if the covenant of works was not made with adam in innocency , god could not in justice require satisfaction of his posterity under the fall , &c. a third supposition to prove adam under a covenant of works is this , either he stood under the covenant of works , or was under the covenant of grace , or he was under no covenant , &c. unto which i answer , all such priests and teachers who be out of innocency themselves cannot tell what covenant those are in with god who are innocent , and in the image of god in holiness and righteousness , and therefore from such have we so much perverting of the scriptures , and violating of the law of god , to make it according to their imaginations ; but unto such god saith , what hast thou to do to declare my statutes , or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth , seeing thou hatest instruction ▪ and castest my words behind thee , psal. 50. 16. thou givest thy mouth to evil , and thy tongue frameth deceit ; but i say that covenant in which adam was with god in his innocency , and in his image , he stood in that , and by that , by which he was made a living soul , and in that was in unity and covenant with god , for the disobedience of which he was driven out from god into the earth ; and none was under the law of works , neither was that law added until there was transgression which it was added because of ; but that which is innocent , and without sin , unreprovable in gods sight , is under no law but that which endureth for ever , which doth free from sin and death those that be in it , which is made manifest unto some since the falling from it , and which the isles is to wait for till it be made manifest where it is not already revealed , and all who come to have right to speak of gods precepts and to take his covenant in their mouths , they see and comprehend all such darkness , which doth not speak according to words of scripture , but speaks of three covenants contrary to scripture , saying , that the first covenant promiseth nothing of salvation , nor mentioning nothing of a saviour , and yet saith , that that covenant is a part of gods word , and his will , and pure law , ( and yet mentioneth nothing of a saviour ) and again saith that the moral law , he calls of works , which promiseth no salvation , mentioneth nothing of a saviour ) that this which mentioneth nothing of a saviour , is to be a directory and rule to true believers , for the ordering of their sanctification ( ●s it is also in christs hand guiding them by his spirit ) so this cannot build nor joyn together , and so time to cease building ▪ any more in confusion ; but in denyal of that false doctrine , i say , that there is but two covenants spoken of in the scriptures , which is a plain testimony of them without any such confusion or contradiction as the apostles to the hebrews , saying in that he saith a new covenant , he hath made the first old , &c. and in the first covenant as you may read , heb. 9. in all these things there was christ held out , and mentioned in the shadows and figures ; and so that covenant which promiseth no salvation , nor mentioneth any thing of a saviour , that we deny ; for there is not such a covenant in the scriptures , — for that which said , do this and live ▪ promised life , and mentioned christ who is the life , and by christ who is the life and light of men is that covenant fulfilled , and by his power both the obedience and life is brought forth , of which that covenant speaketh and the new covenant being come that god hath promised , wherein he hath put his law in their hearts , and his spirit in their inward part , and all such needs not to come to such priests to be taught , who tells of a covenant which promiseth no salvation , nor mentioneth any thing of a saviour ; for we , who be in the second ▪ know the first fulfilled , which christ was held forth in under ordinances of divine service , and a worldly sanctuary , and divers washings , and carnal ordinances which never made the comers thereunto perfect as pertaining to the conscience ; but now is christ the covenant of god , and covenant of light come and preached , and with his light shineth in mens conscience that he may make perfect as pertaining to the conscience , which covenant is now witnessed among thousands ( and such denyed which speak of a covenant that mentions nothing of a saviour , and that to be the rule of true believers . ) again , in john stelhams 5th head of scripture contradiction , he speaks concerning sin , saying , that the more a soul is sanctified , the more he sees his moats to be beams ; and that paul was groaning and sighing all his life time under the body of sin and death . both these are false : for the more a soul is sanctified , he is not the more taught to lye , or to see falsly , but the more he is taught to see clearly , and discern a moat to be a moat , and a beam to be a beam , and knows the differance : and paul thanks god who had given him the victory over sin and death , which he had not while he groaned under the body of it ; and so both the saints , and the work of sanctification , is falsly accused by such , and such are to be denyed , as enemies to god , and to his work . in the reading of this , let all people take notice , that in the several and particular heads of i. s. book , where he saith , he hath contradicted us ; he is proved himself to contradict the scriptures : and so far as he contradicts the scriptures in those particulars , so far he may say he contradicts us , and our testimony being one with the scriptures in them things . for in his 6 head , as concerning justification , he saith , he that is justified , is justified by god , not under the aspect or notion of a saint , and as such ; but of a sinner , and as a sinner believing in jesus , not as he loveth god , or overcometh the world by faith , &c. but as believing on christ dying , &c. now this testimony of i. s. is contrary to the scriptures , for god never justified any as hating of him , nor as a sinner , but as made obedient through faith according to the scriptures , as the apostle witnesseth , gal ▪ 2. 16. even by the faith of jesus christ , even we have believed in jesus christ , that we might be justified by the faith of christ , &c. so they believed that they might be justified and the ungodly they were first called ( out of their ungodliness ) and whom he called , them he also justified ; and they whom he justified , them he also glorified , and by him all that believe are justified from all things from which they could not be justified by the law of moses , acts 13. 39 and so all who are justified by the lord , are justified from their sins , and not in them , as all shall witness who come to be justified by christ from their iniquity . and whereas i. s. would set the law and justice of god at a difference with the gospel , and as contrary , in saying , the law and justice finds us , and leaves us sinners ; gospel and mercy declareth , and pronounceth us righteous : now the one pronouncing a man righteous and the other pronounce the same to be a sinner ; these two are contrary : but the scripture hath another testimony , saying mercy and truth are met together , righteousness and peace have kissed each other , psal 85. 10. now here is unity , here is not righteousdess , pronouncing one thing , and mercy another ; for the righteousness of god is revealed from heaven against the disobedient ; and this will not leave them disobedient , nor sinners , if ever they come to mercy : for it doth not leave them as it finds them : and so that doctrine is accurst from god , which saith , that the justice finds them sinners , and leaves them so ; and to say that justices pronounce them sinners , and mercy pronounce them righteous : but to satisfie all people , a few words may serve to answer the volume of that darkness and blindness given forth by him before mentioned , should a man full of words be justified , job 11 ▪ 2. again , concerning i. s. in his 7. head concerning regeneration , saith , that the word of god that is preached , was never without , or besides scripture , &c. and as in other places he hath said , that the spirit is given by the letter ; so here would make regeneration to proceed from it ; which this being denyed , he concludes it had been better the scripture had not been known , no● written . the word and gospel was preached unto abraham , without scripture and before the scriptures was written : and they who are regenerated and born again , it is by the immortal word which is able to save their souls , which word was before the letter was written , and who be begotten again , and born by that word , it is profitable for such that the scriptures was written and given forth , and the scripture by such is honoured ; but such who calleth the letter the light , and the word , and that which begets again into the new birth , by such both the work of god is despised , and the scriptures perverted , and denyed . again , i. s. in his 8. head of contradiction , speaking of perfection , uttereth forth more confusion and contradiction to himself , in his speaking of the communion of the saints in heaven , and doth lye concerning the saints on earth , saying , the saints in heaven hoped for the perfection of their bodies at the resurrection , &c. and again contradicts that , in saying , that at death they have a final perfection , and a full harvest , and reward of peace , &c. now this is the issue , that all people may take notice , he hath so envied perfection and christs doctrine , which saith , be ye perfect as your father which is in heaven is perfect ; and them who now preacheth that doctrine , that he hath set out a volume to declare against the saints being perfect here : yea , and his envie hath reached to heaven to prove that the saints in heaven is not perfect , but waits for the redemption of their bodies ; which now if people mind the scripture , there is no such doctrine in it as the saints in heaven hath not received the redemption of their bodies , for they who had received the first fruits of the spirit upon earth , did wait for the adoption and for the redemption of the body , till the creature it self be delivered into the glorious liberty of the sons of god , and this was witnessed , and is witnessed ▪ and this is the work of the worlds teachers instead of presenting them perfect in christ jesus as the apostles did , they would make people believe that the saints in heaven their bodies is unredeemed ; if so , where is that redemption wrought ? and whereas i. s. would make people believe that there is none clean : now christ said concerning those that followed him , now eyere clean , through the word which ● have spoken unto you , john 15 3. and david saith , that the lord is good unto such as are of a clean heart , psal. 73. 1. and the lord said concerning his people , that he would pour clean water upon them , and they should be clean from all their filthiness , ezek. 36. 25. and this prophesie was to be fulfilled : and the lord said also by his prophet zeph. that his remnant should do no iniquity , nor speak lyes , neither should a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth , zeph. 3. 13. and paul preached wisdom among them that were perfect ; and as many as were perfect should be so minded , and christ preached to the pure in heart that they should see god , matth. 5. now if there were none perfect , christ preached unto such as there was not . now this is the chief ground of i. s. and the rest of the enemies of truth and of perfection , to declare against it because some fall from it , as his instance of c. a. or others in the like : to which i answer , their falling into that which is not perfect , doth not make that which they fall from imperfect , for the angels that kept not their first state , which was perfect , did fall from that which was perfect : a virgin state is perfect , but if any go out of that state , and become foolish , yet that which they depart from is perfect ; and if any do fall from the truth , and do not abide in christs doctrine , that doth not make his doctrine to be unperfect ; for christ saith , except they abide in him , who is perfect , they cannot bring forth fruit : is not he that is in christ perfect , though some do not abide in him , and is not the truth , truth , because some deny it ? was not christs doctrine and the apostles true , because demas did forsake it , and love the present world : and was not that part of the ministry which judas had committed unto him perfect ? and was not he the true christ that judas preached , though afterwards he betrayed him ? now if people do but truly consider all those that now do turn from the way of truth , which is now preached , and lived in by us , it may be an evident token to justifie us in the way of truth , seeing what they go into when they go from the light which christ hath enlightened them withall , which while they abide in it , are kept out of all filthiness of fl●sh and spirit : and so long they may speak of perfection , and of the gift of god which is perfect ; but if any go from the light , then they are let at liberty to act all uncleanness with greediness , and so are cast out from us , and from perfection : and if any such deny the truth , and forsake it , yet there remains in them a withness for the truth , and against their own uncleanness , as in c. a. who from the witness of god in him , was made to confesse that if he had continued in the light of christ , he could not have so sinned against the lord , and so by his transgression fell from the way of life , and could not continue in christs doctrine no longer : and so such things may satisfie people concerning the way of truth : for while they are of us , all such things is denyed by them : but when they go out from us , then they become drunkards , swearers , prophane , adulterers , fornicators , and so every evill work is committed , and then they turn to the priests doctrine , where all such things are , and are excused : and then the priests rejoyce and give thanks if any turn from the light of christ , and the obedience of the gospel into drunkenness and prophaneness again , where they were before , and if they will but swear and respect mens persons , and use the rod of violence , and persecute , and shed the blood of the innocent , and be conformable to the world , that is the priests rejoycing ; and if any turn from the truth into any act of uncleannesse , then they take that as a proof against those that abide in the truth : and such a thing is a better proof to them then all the scriptures ▪ and those are they that re●oy●● in ●niquity , and watch for evill , and so they rejoyce in that which we have ●ast out as abomination ▪ and these are they that plead for a life in sin while they are here , and that say that the saints glorified in heaven do yet hope for the resurrection of their bodies , and so not come to the end of their hope though in heaven , whenas the saints upon earth witnessed the end of their hope , the salvation of their souls . now these may well deny perfection on earth , who deny it in heaven , which the saints , we , and the scriptures do witnesse it in both , and against all such who are not fit to speak of the things of god . again , in his 9th head of contradiction he speaks of a wa●far ( which yet he himself never came unto , ) and in it he wrests pauls words , and so would turn the truth into a lye , saying , as if paul should say thus : if sin that wars and fights in me hath no power to condemn me , then there is no condemnation to me : which words paul never spake , and it is a lye in the ground , for it is not sin that is the condemnation , but the light which lets men see their sins , because men love darkness rather than the light : as many in this age have manifested themselves to do , and the light shall be their condemnation who are not yet come to the war , nor to the victory which the scripture speaks of . again in his 10th head of contradictions speaking of repentance , as if he would prove that we denyed , or disclaimed godly sorrow , and his proof is this : if we disclaim in ▪ dwelling sin in the godly , we disclaim godly sorrow . let all people take notice of this , if we deny in-dwelling sin , we deny godly sorrow : this is contradiction in the highest degree ; but against it , this i shall affirm , that none comes unto godly sorrow , but they deny dwelling sin , and they that do not deny in-dwelling sin , denies godly sorrow . again , john stelham in his 11th head of contradictions to the scripture , in his speaking of the word , and means of grace : he is setting up that which before he hath been pulling down , in page 123. where he saith : that they are justified from all legal obligations , and conditions of their own workings both within them , and without them . and in page 174. he is setting up obligations and conditions of reading , hearing , prayer , preaching , to which he saith , life and salvation is promised : and so would have salvation come by works , which he hath so much declared against before , and so makes prayer , reading , preaching , &c. not only the means through which salvation comes , but the cause for which they are saved , saying : to prayer is promised salvation . now to the informing of minds of people , i say , that all promises are to the seed , and the fulfilling of the promises , is witnessed through its obedience to christs command , and through the works of righteousness : but none can pray so as to be heard of god and accepted , but who have first known , heard , and believed him whom they call upon , which none do but who own the light which christ hath enlightened them withall , which teacheth to pray , hear , read , and preach with knowledge and understanding . again , i. s. in his 12th head concerning baptisme , would go about to prove the sprinkling of infants to be the baptisme , and so denyes both iohns who was from , and christs , and the manner of them , and sets up another which the scripture doth not mention , as sprinkling infants , which who reads his books may see his proofs : by consequences would have the scripture speak that which in never mentioneth in plain precept ▪ and so would turn the truth into alye , and so by his own rule in the 68th page of his book shall he be judged : such messengers as speak more then is in the scripture are not sent by gods spirit ▪ nor guided by him to what they say . but that all people may come to a right understanding of the scriptures , and that which is testified by them , is to come to the light which christ hath enlightened them withall , which light was before ordinances was , and which light gives to see the place of ordinances , and their time wherein they are to be obeyed , for the light comes from the substance of all the divers washings , and carnall ordinances , and it leads into the one baptisme which is the substance of that of water which iohn who was a prophet was the minister of , and christ said unto his disciples , iohn verily baptizeth with water , but ye shall be baptized with the holy ghost , and with fire ; but he never commanded them to baptize with water , but commanded them to go teach all nations , baptizing them into the name of the father , son , and holy ghost : and although some of the disciples , and paul for a time did baptize with water : yet who shall judge their permission in it , although paul an apostle of jesus christ witnesseth , that he was not sent to baptize , but to preach the gospel , 1 cor. 1. 17. and thanks god that he had baptized no more of them , yet witnessed that they were all baptized with one spirit into one body . and i. s. saith , to be against infants baptisme , is contrary to acts 2. 28 , 29. this is false , for that scripture doth not command it , nor give president for it ; let the reader search if he find any such thing , as the scripture proving infants baptisme , but the promise is to as many as the lord shall call , and so he hath foully belyed the scripture , for if that scripture be contrary to such who are against infants baptisme , then must he prove from that scripture infants baptisme to be commanded as practised , which he cannot do , and so is a perverter of the scripture , and it is truth that we do deny brain imaginations , and sprinkling infants with water ; but then he rambles over many scriptures , proving the baptisme of believers ; these proofs are impertinent , what is this to prove infants baptisme ? so that is passed by here , as making arguments against believers baptisme , except one professing that were our present adversary , but in this he is pursued from all the scriptures ; he cannot prove in justice that ever infants baptisme was either commanded , or practised , though he craftily wind about never so much in his imaginations and consequences . and in the general i answer : much by us have been written and spoken to this purpose , so our judgements in this charge is fully known , of which we are not ashamed before men , as being fully justified herein in the sight of the lord ; and so as to this particular more need not be said . again in the 12th head of scripture , contradiction as he saith concerning the lords supper ▪ i. s. makes much ado because of our denyall of carnall inventions , and imitations practised by many in the exercise of that called the supper of the lord , though with one heart and mind we say , and witness that christs flesh and blood is our meat and drink , and none hath life in them without it ; yet doth receive it in the spirit and power of god , and doth bear our testimony against imitations , and false likenesses set up in the world , as the wicked and prophane people , such as live in pride and wickedness , and covetousness , both teachers and people , eating a little bread ▪ and drinking wine so many times a year in such a form and manner , and way as christ nor his apostles never practised such things in , and no change wrought among people but both before and after ( if not in the very time ) fulfilling all wickedness and unrighteousnesse in words , and wayes , and thoughts ; yet by false suggestion from their teachers , believing vainly themselves to be the better , or saitns for the practice of such things , whereas they do the more thereby vex the lords soul , and grieve his spirit by hypocrisie and deceit : this we call carnal inventions , and doth deny it in the presence of the lord that it is evill , and not accepted of god , but condemned in his sight . i. s. proves not that any thing which christ instituted to be practised among the saints only , even was practised in the world among such who are not called , neither sanctified , and this is abomination to the lord , to practise the saints words , or wayes , and have not the spirit of the father , which we cannot see among the people of this age , no nor manage them professing to be selected church members , but pride and envy abounds among them all ; and in that spirit of disobedience in which they live to the ordinances of christ , they have no right to practise that which only is to be practised among them that have the spirit of the father and nothing that christ instituted for his saints do we deny in its life and age , but lives are changed , and antichrist hath roled , and even the things which once he instituted your practise of them who are poluted , are abomination to him ; and this is a full answer in generall , as to the thing , though i pursue h●m not in every particular word , and argument , to lay open his folly : but our judgement in this is known , he that can receive it let him , and the belief of the wicked we shall not begg : in these things we are approved of god , and in the denyal of all false imitations , and who is he that shall condemn . in the 14th ▪ head concerning prayer ▪ concerning prayer we do not contradict the scripture in our practice , i. s. is the lyer herein , who hath made it a subject to treat two leaves upon : for praying in the spirit , and by the spirit , and in publick and private too we own , and do practise , as is known to thousands : our enemies can witness for us , and according to the scripture too , and not contradicting to it any way : but this is the offence against him at which he is troubled : that we should deny the prayers of the pharisees , or of such who are in the steps of the pharisees , viz. who for a pretence make long prayers , and stands praying in the synagogues , who are out of christs , and the apostles doctrine , and the prayers and practises of such , we do not deny according to the scripture , ( which saith ▪ ) the sacrifice of the wicked are abomination to the lord : and they shal receive greater condemnation who makes long prayers for a pretence , as it is manifest concerning many in this generation , ( and against the praying of the hypocrites , and of hirelings , who pretends to pray in love to souls , when as if they had not a great sum of mony from the people , would not pray among them , but seek a place to pray at , among such who wou●d give them money , and hire , and this praying is for a pretence , and we do deny it in publick , ( and doth not offend god herein , ) though we vex i. s. hereby , because some will not worship the beast , and bow a hat off , while he is praying in an idols temple , which he complains of in i. p. though he himself that prayes have a cap on ▪ ( and himself confesses ) not wicked mans prayers are accepted publick or private : and here he hath condemned all his own praying , who confesses he is wicked , and sinfull , and his heart is old and lying ; let all take notice of this , which if he had not confessed it , it is sufficiently proved : then why shall he ever hereafter be offended , seeing his prayers are not accepted , according to his own confession , if any tel him so , or declare against his praying , and before any can truly pray , they must receive the spirit of the father , ( and them we know who are not led by the spirit of the father ▪ ) them and their prayers are to be declared against by the saints , and are condemned in the sight of god . and i. s. saith , if this counsel be followed , viz. waiting in the light , till the spirit leading be known , it makes known nothing of publick ministers , church officers , baptisme , lords supper ▪ publick order of prayer , nor of christ as mediator ▪ nor of the spirit of promise , &c. the light that every man hath makes manifest nothing of this he sayeth ( he in this is a lyar , and slanderer of the people of god ) who are led by the moving of the spirit in the light of the word christ jesus that lighteth every man , and owneth the publick ministry of christ , which is received by the holy ghost , and church , and baptism , and christ as mediator , and the spirit of promise : and all these thing ▪ ( all the saints upon earth who have the spirit of christ shal witness against i. s. herein to be a lyar of the light and spirit of god , and so is a transgressor , and his wickedness may largely be laid open , but the least of the children of light may see his folly , and madness ▪ who also lyingly saith , that quakers they nourish up people in the light that every man hath , ( which is the light of christ jesus ) in opposition to scripture light : this is also utterly false ▪ and a lye , and the author proved to be of the devil , for the light of christ leads up in the fulfilling of the scripture , and not in opposition to it ; but by his lightness and lyes he is made manifest to be a d●c●iver of the people , and so take thy own words in thy conclusion to thy self , thou art he that is a ienated from the scripture , and from the spirit of god also by thy lying spirit of contradict●on , which is manifest in thy writings . in his 15th head concerning singing . we do not contradict the scripture : ( herein again thou art a lyar , ) but singing with the spirit , and with understanding , we own of such as are redeemed out of the world , and are not of the world ▪ but singing of davids experiences , sung in the world ; by such who are of the world , this singing we do deny as it is practised in this generation , in rhyme and meeter , in a vain multitude of people , where all , or most of them do dishonour god in singing davids words , which themselves are out of the life of , and in a life quite contrary , singing the law of god is dear to them , and that they exercise themselves in it , when every moment of time they are exercised in wickednesse , and casts the law of god behind them , and thus singing lyes ▪ and that which is not true to them , yet in the name of the lord . other reasons many may be given why we deny singing in this form , and manner , and way , as singing is practised in this generation : but this instance is sufficient to all honest people , but cavellers mouths are not soon stopped , not by the truth : and all i. s. professes as to maintain this manner and practise of singing , are all impertinent : he proves that the saints sang , and were exhorted to it , but what is this to the purpose to prove the world must sing who are unconverted , which singing we oppose only , and not the saints singing in the spirit , who are moved to it by the spirit . o thou lyar , wherefore dost thou say , to be against singing davids words ( by the world in rhyme and meetre ) as we do ▪ is contrary to eph. 5. col. 3. doth these scriptures hold forth any such thing , let the reader try , as that davids experiences may be sang in the world in rhyme and meetre , nay they do not ; and so thou art a lyar on the scriptures , to be taken notice of , and marked for a wrester of the scriptures , and in this we have often declared our minds by words and writings , that poetry , and i. hopkins , and t. sternolds brain invention we have denyed : yet davids psalms we have owned , and do own them , as they were given forth by the spirit of god , and not as they are perverted , and added , and diminished to such a compass of syllables as they are now in practise ; and thus i have given you a further testimony for , and against singing , wherein we deny it , and wherein we own it , and so leaves his muddy stuff , and so counts it not worth raking in , only a lye , or two , or more he is proved in , as the reader may take notice also of one thing more , where he charges r. f. falsely , to speak falsehood for saying the priests of eug. they teach people to sing , lyes in hypocrisie , this they do , and do wickedly in it , and he hath added to their wickedness in denying it to be so : for to all people without exception they give to sing ; i am not puft in mind , nor hath a scornfull eye , and they making not exception in giving forth their psalms to sing : ( some that they give it forth to are puft in mind , and have scornfull eyes , and these they teach to sing lyes in hypocrisie to any honest man ; this appears true , let i. s. shuffle and twist never so much . in the 16th head concerning elders , and ordination . we do not herein contradict the scripture , but witnesseth forth according to it , that who are moved by the spirit of god to watch over the flock , and ordained with gifts thereunto , may take the oversight of the flock wittingly , and of a ready mind , and not by constraint , nor for filthy lucre sake , as i. s. and his generation of false teachers , who preach for hire , and for gifts , and rewards : such are not ordained of god to watch over the flock , but runs and was never sent , and therefore shall not profit people at all , and such an ordination we d●●y ▪ who are ordained at schools , or by naturall arts and sciences to speak their brain-study by a glass , this is by man , and not of god , and god doth deny it , and we testifie against it by the spirit of god , and doth say , the call to the true ministry and eldership is not by man , nor of man , but by the lord , according to gal. 1. 1. yet such a one is approved of all the saints , and goes forth not contrary to men , who feareth the lord , for the spirit of life is one in them that are called and ordained by it , and in them that beareth witness to truth what doth such approve with the spirit , that are called by the spirit : this is our judgement , and the judgement of truth , whatever i. s. or any of his fellows raise up to oppose it ; and herein we do not contradict the scriptures , he is that lyar , in the subject matter on which he treats in the title of his section . in his 17th head concerning ministers maintenance . concerning this we do no way contradict the scripture ▪ but witnesseth according to it , that the ministers of christ doth receive freely , and gives freely of what they have received from god , and having planted a vineyard , may eat the fruit of it , and keeping a flock , may eat of the milk of the flock : and when they go into a house , may eat such things ●● are set before them , and yet may not be chargeable to any man , and this is according to christs instructions , and not contradictory to the scriptures , though i. s. be pleased to so stile it , but all such who preaches for hire , or takes hire for preaching , and seeks for their gain , ( for 50 l. or 60 l. per a●num ▪ or the like ) from their quarter ( a parish or town ) and such who take ti●hes , gifts , and rewards for preaching , which people should not give them except they p●eached , and such who have sums of money , and lives in pleasures and vanities , and lust ▪ and fulness of the flesh , as the priests of england doth , ( this maintenance we do deny ) and them that act those things , we deny to be ministers of christ , or that any maintenance by way of a ministry doth belong to such who are greedy dumb doggs , and can never have enough as isai 56 ▪ such practises and men we oppose , and doth no whit contradict the scripture , but it witnesseth to us herein , and against all such , and therefore i. s. and his brethren the independants who acts such things , they contradict the scripture , and so are truly guilty themselves in action of what they falsely accuse us in words for such who walks in the steps of the false prophets , as he and they doth that preach for hire , and takes gi●ts and rewards for preaching , are contrary to all the true ministers of christ , and the scripture , and the spirit that gave it forth condemns them : and much as to this we have publickly spoken , and written , and so here i need say the lesse , though much might be said to manifest i. s. folly and vanity though they that plant a vineyard may justly eat the fruit thereof : yet what is this to purpose , he is a thief that eats of the fruit of that which he hath not planted , but is hired thither for so much per sermon , or per annu● , and plants nothing for the lord , and he that preaches the gospel may live of it , but this shames i. s. and this generation of teachers , who many of them might begg bread at peoples doors , had they not a law by violence to compell maintenance from them ; which thing is a very shame to all righteousness which is practised by most of the priests of england at this day , grievous to be related what unjust proceedings are acted upon the poor people by unjust judgements against them for to maintain ministers , so called ; what is the thing that i. s. pleads for ? ( tithes , or a hundred , or two hundred pound a year ? he is a lyar to say that we contradict the scripture , because we cannot uphold this , but must bear witness against it , so whilst he falsely charges us with contradicting the scripture , in the very same thing he and his generation are found in this practise contrary to all the ministers of christ that ever was sent by him , and in the very practice of the deceivers , antichrists , and false prophets , in making merchandize of people through covetousness , in preaching for hire , and in seeking for their gain from their quarter , and this is the very truth , let i. s. and all his fellows read their own contradiction , to the example of all the ministers of christ in their cursed practise of maintenance , which is the greatest oppression this day in england : and this is their grief against us , because god hath opened our mouths to declare against them , and to shew their folly and wickednesse unto all people : and when the law of the land ceases to maintain them , which will come sooner then they expect , then may they begg their bread , or perish for want , and that is all the fruit that their vineyard of wild brambles will bring forth to them , and if every particular of his words should be searched , much rottenness might be let forth : but in plainness i have spoken , as to the truth of things in pleading for truth , and in denying his deceits , and the oppression of hirelings , which i cannot call ministers maintenance . his 18th head concerning immediate calling . in this we do not contradict the scipture , i. s. is a lyar herein also ; but we say such as are called of god , are called by his spirit , and lead with it , and fulfills the will and work of god in the spirit , and such as are called by the spirit of god , are appoved by all the saints of god ▪ who with the same spirit bears witness to such as are called by it , and speaks by it ; the ministry of god is not of man , nor by man , but by the revelation of jesus christ , which is not learned by natural arts , but received in the holy ghost , and this the scripture bears witness to , ( but the call to the ministry , by naturall learning at oxford and cambridge , this i deny , and trample upon , and all your arts ▪ and knowledge , and humate study ▪ and languages , is not able to make a minister of christ , ( this i do affirm , ) though they approve one another , yet are they not approved of god without his spirit , and they that have his spirit denyes naturall learning , as to be made a minister of christ hereby ▪ and e. b. his words are owned , transcribed by i. s. cited page 16. in the warning ▪ &c. and all that he saith doth not prove that any of the ministers of christ were called by the church , or approved unto that work of the ministry , by them who were not called by the spirit , and guided with it ; he saith , the sending of god is two-fold , and for this he hath no scripture to prove it ▪ and so holds forth that which the scripture will not evidence : and further he saith , he pretends to no such call of an apostle ; if he have not the same call , by the same spirit as the apostles had , he is no minister of christ , and in measure he hath confessed to be without the same call , as the apostles was called with , and will not pretend such a call . again , he falsly charges r. f. with crucifying the ministers of christ : which is a lye , and of the devil , though none of us may spare to call hirelings , greedy dumb doggs , and devourers , and lazy sheperds , and in this we do not contradict the scriptures , nor work offence towards god , nor our neighbour : and he concludes , who of us ( we or they ) shall have the worst of it in conclusion , the day shall declare : unto that day we are willing to come , by which we , and all the blind priests of england shall be manifest ; and we know liars , such as i. s. shall not have the better , who is to us made manifest already to be out of the way , and out of the power , and life , of god . his 19th head , concerning immediate teaching . in this we do not contradict the scripture , as i. s. falsly charges us withal , but doth say ( that we are taught of god ) and needs no man to reach us , but as the anointing of god , which abides in us , and the promise of god is fulfilled upon us ▪ jer. 31. we are all taught of god from the least of us to the greatest , with whom the covenant of god is established , and this is the cause wherefore we let forth our selves to the world , who are yet in the unconverted state , that they also ma● come to the knowledge of the wayes , and teachings of god in the spirit , and may come into the covenant of peace , where none need to say , know the lord , but all these are taught of him , ( yea and immediately too ) by his spirit , and this we do witness , and the lord doth witness with us , though the unbelieving heart of i. s. and his fellows ▪ cannot believe it , but doth gainsay it , as being contrary to the scripture , when as themselves doth contradict the scripture in denying it , so proving themselves guilty of what they do accuse us of falsly , but this is that their folly may appear to all men , as it doth to us , and i. s ▪ hath belyed the scriptures , dan. 9. 1. & 1 tim 4. 14. in saying it is contrary to those scriptures , to say the teaching of god is immediate , let the reader try , and i. s. saith , he is yet to learn the promise of the immediate teachings of god , to be given to all that are to teach others , and this doth make it manifest , that himself is without the promise of god , and is not yet taught of god , and so without gods covenant , being not learned in the teaching of god by his spirit , which is immediate . and thus to confound truth , he hath by his confession , shamed himself , and shewed himself to all men , to be unlearned in the doctrine of salvation . further , he saith , if god had intended to have given teachings immediately without any medium ▪ then would he not have sent preachers abroad for them to hear : mark this man● blind productions , and what impudence is in his heart , who holds forth , that god intended not the thing to be what he promised should be , he promised to teach his people himself ; and this man holds forth , that he intended it not , and so hath no less than charged god with hypocrisie ( let the reader mark this ) but this is the ground wherefore the ministers and preachers were and are sent abroad , to bring all people to be taught of god by his spirit , and to inform their minds , to the gift of god in them , that by the spirit received the knowledge of , they might know the things of god , which is not known but by the spirit of god , which all that are children of god are led and guided by , and they that are not led with the spirit of god , which spirit is immediat , ( are not the heirs with christ ) nor none of his ▪ let i. s. say what he will , or may ; this we believe , and this the scripture gives testimony of for us , and with us . yet further , to manifest his folly , he saith , it is erroneous enough , and contradictious to the whole scripture , when r. f. truly tells him , and saith , thou that art not taught of god , shewes that thou speaks a vision of thy own heart , and not from the mouth of the lord : let the reader search where the errour and contradiction to the whole scripture lyes in these words , or whether he hath not proved himself blind and ignorant , and in errour , and contradiction to the spirit of god . further , he saith , never did any but god slayers , and spirit-wounders , go about to separate the word of god , and his breath : now let this be considered , christ did tell them ( the pharisees ) who had the words , which god had spoken by the prophets , that they had never heard the voyce of god ; here he divides or separates betwixt the words and the voyce ( or breath ) and was no god-slayer , nor spirit-wounder , as thou hast wickedly and blasphemously laid down thy position , where thou hast concluded , christ to be one against whom thy words are laid down : let the reader prove thy doctrine . his 20th head , concerning questions . in this we do not contradict the scripture , i. s. is taken with a lye in his mouth , who hath made it a subject to treat upon , ( for questions in their places we own ) but such as are of the devil we deny , as christ did who shewed himself as a sool unto all mens wisdom , when the subtil pharisees and others tempted him , who would not answer their crafty questions , though them that questioned insimplicity , he did to resolve and satisfie them , and inform them into the knowledge of the father . then some leaves he hath filled with producing some of our queries out of some of our books , commenting thereupon , and would prove them ignorant , and unprofitable , and the like , but it had been more just , and of a better report for him to have answered them , and shewed them to be ( as he saith of them ) to all people , rather then in a manner backbited them , and reproached them , and not shewing wherein it lyes ; and if they be so needless , and vain a● he saith , then the sooner had such a wise man ( as he thinks himself ) i. s. confuted them by sober and plain answers ▪ but what if our folly in the sight of men be wisdom in the sight of god , and his wisdom foolishness with god ? no matter what he say of us , who hath shewed himself already , and confessed truly that his heart is old , and lying , and sinfull : so we can expect no better judgement from his pen then what is in his heart ; but while we are approved in the ●ight of god , we matter nor what men say of us , especially one that hath set himself to be our enemy , and the lords enemy , and i leave the honest sober queries to be read , which he hath falsely branded with pride and ignorance , and such like , ( as this ) what rule have you in scripture for putting off the hat ? ( this is an honest question ) which he wickedly slanders with pride , ( and whether is your gospel free without charge as the apostles was , yea or no ; these and such other questions he rails against to be ignorant , and quarrelous , and vain , and of the devil ; now it had been more honest to have confuted them in answering discreetly , then to have thus branded them . and he saith , it is one thing to take hire for preaching , and another thing to preach for hire , whereby his scope is to excuse himself may be , and his brethren , ( who are hirelings , ) and would not be counted to preach for hire , though he dare not deny , lest all men should see his folly ) ▪ but that they have hire for preaching ; but then let him tell us when , or where ever any of them preached , and had no hire , and then we will believe they preach not for it , but such as receives sums of money of one man , or a country which would not be given him , except he preached to them ▪ this same man is a hireling , and preaches because he hath hire , and hath hire because ( that the ground ) he preaches . further , he saith , christs righteousness which justifies a believing sinner is not the essentiall righteousness of his godhead , and here he hath spoken ignorantly , and held forth as if there is two righteousnesses of christ , which i call for a proof from him for , else let him confess to his shame that he hath added to the scripture , for the righteousness of christ is but one , by which all the saints are justified . further he saith ignorantly enough , that which is done according to the bare letter of the written command , or from a gift of the spirit , or in a gospel way from a living principle of grace , acts of holiness by the holy spirit , and faith given stirred up , this is a righteousness of ours saith he , and seems to separate it from the righteousness of christ , as he holds forth , let men behold his ignorance . further he saith , though it be wrought by the strength of christ in us , yet as to justification paul would not be found in it ; ( this ) for a word , ( mark again reader ) canst thou see any thing here but ignorance , as if paul were justified by another christ then what wrought in him , to will , and to do . further he saith , paul counted all things but losse and dung , even what he had done , or suffered since conversion , that he might win christ . mark again , what was the converting of many hundred of souls by paul , and many other works of god wrought by him but dung and losse so i. s. holds forth ; this is ignorance indeed , he hath shewed his ignorance by what he hath said , and not proved in any thing , that concerning questions we contradict the scriptures . his 21th head concerning civill honour . in this we do not contradict the scripture by arguments nor practise ▪ but doth honour all men in the lord ; and cannot respect mens persons , nor have them in any admiration for any advantage ; yea we honour men in reproving them in their unrighteousness ; and i. s. pleads much for civil honour : the scripture speaks not of civil honour , and the question is , what this honour is that he calls civill ? and wherein it may be done , and not in transgression nor in respect of persons , magistrates is to be honoured by subject on to their just commands , requests and laws , and by patient suffering under their corrupt laws , and evill commands , and not resisting evill : yet the person of no man is to be respected , for he that doth commit sin , and is a transgressor of the law of god , and ministers of christ are to be respected for their works sake , and they desire no honour nor praise of men , but knows reproach and infamy is their respect from the men of this generation : and as for hirelings & deceivers , they are respected of the world , but condemned of god , and of his saints , and testified against , and parents are to be respected in the lord by their children , and masters by their servants : but where god commands one thing , and parents or masters another , as it often comes to pass , in christs time , as it doth now , whether to give respect to god or man , this i leave to be judged by sobe men that makes conscience of what they say ; and thus in short i give ▪ a testimony how we honour , and would have all honoured in the lord , and leaves i. s. long discourse to himself and his company , and doth bear witness against the vain superstition , and foolish customes of this generation . his 22d head concerning swearing . in this we do not contradict the scripture , but saith and practiseth according to christs words , swear not at all , which is spoken absolute , and without condition , and mitigation ( and he saith ) we take these words of christ against his meaning , and this is false and wicked too in i. s. who would he seen to hold forth , that when christ said , swear not at all : he meant not as he spake , ( for both christ and the apostle james were righteous in what they delivered concerning swearing ) who forbids all manner of swearing , no cause excepted , and we take christs words according to his mind ▪ and doth deny all oaths , and abides in christ , and the apostles doctrine , and our yea is so ▪ and our nay is so , and whatsoever is more cometh of evill , and i. s. would plead for swearing before a magistrate ( but that magistrate which fears god ) and loves his way will believe a man sooner that cannot swear for conscience sake then he that makes no conscience of swearing , and such a one is liker to testifie lyes with oaths , then he that for conscience sake denyes oaths ; and in his conclusion he saith scholastically ( though ignorantly ) they that will not expound scripture by scripture , and compare the precepts and examples for swearing without prohibition against it , fall into scripture contradiction , but r. f. nor others will , ( therefore &c. this is unsound , and laid down , but not proved at all , neither major , nor minor , and here by he hath concluded wickedly : the apostle iames , and christ himself to be fallen into scripture contradictions who did expresly forbid all swearing , and did not compare the precepts and examples for swearing , with the prohibition against it : and thus i. s. is taken uttering folly with his tongue , and hath drawn a conclusion upon christ , and the apostle iames to be contradictors of scripture , let shame cover his impudent forehead . and they that charges christ , and the apostle iames with contradicting scripture , are enemies to god , and of the devil , and for eternall vengeance : but i. ste●ha● hath done so , and therefore he is an enemy to god , and of the devill ▪ and for eternall vengeance . but further at large , as concerning swearing , and our testimony thereof , is laid down at large in a book called , the glory of the lord arising . and whereas further , i. s as a man not weary of iniquity , goes on after his false charging of us with contradictions to scripture , charges us again , that we contradict our selves in many things ; which accusation we bear with as much patience as we do his former , seeing they are all out of one heart , and to the same end ; for it is a small thing for us to be judged by man , and so that wherein he charges us with self-contradictions , i pass lightly over , having cleared the truth , that we do not contradict the scriptures ; but if this man i. s. had been in generations past , what would he have said of isaiah who was sent to tell hezekiah from the lord , that he should die , and not live ; 2 king 20 ▪ 1. at the same instant of time the word of the lord came again to isaiah , that hezekiah should be healed , and that he should go up to the house of the lord : these were both the word of the lord to hezekiah , and yet no contradiction in isaiah , though such a spirit as i. s. would so have judged : and what would he have judged betwixt david and jeremiah , psal ▪ 119 & the 103. and jer. 23. 29 david saith , the words of the lord are sweet unto his taste , yea sweeter than the honey to his mouth : and jer. saith , the word of the lord is as a fire , and like a hammer , which breaks the rock to pieces : now there is no contradiction in these two , not to that spirit by which they are guided , though so it might seem to such as i. s. whose minds are dark : and what would he have judged of christs words , matth. 12. 30. and mark 9. 40. where christ said , he that is not with me is against me , and he that is not against us is with us ; and yet in these words there is not contradiction to him that hath an ear to hear : but if i. s. had been in those dayes , out of his evil heart , would he have charged the holy men of god to be contradictions to themselves , it is very like that he would , and these things i leave , with the reader , to be considered of , for we who have the same spirit , do clear christ , and the holy men of god from contradictions , and knows i. s. and such as he , to be seekers of occasions against the just , and would make offences where there is none , for as i have said , we do not allow i. s. to be the interpreter of our words ▪ for then no question , but he would have his own end , and meaning ; and in i. s. saith , we deny the letter of the scripture to be scripture ; this is charged upon him to be a lye , as it is well known through this nation , both in doctrine and conversation , we own the scriptures ; and to deny matthew , mark , luke , and johns declarations of the gospel , to be gospel , is no denyal of the scripture ; for the gospel was preached to abraham , which gospel was , and is the power of god , before these four men did declare of it , though we deny their writings to be the very gospel which is the power of god , yet we do not deny , but they truly declared of the gospel , and this is to own the scripture as it speaks of it self to be . let i. s. judge what he will of us , and wheras he speaks of gospel-letters , and scripture-gospel ▪ the scripture give no such names to it , but saith the gospel is the power of god , and that is the gospel which we preach , even the power of god unto all people , let i. s. judge by consequence what he will . and further , he would plead for the title of master , from the example of abrahams servant , but this is nothing to prove the lawfulness of a minister of christ , that they may be called master : for christ saith to his ministers , be ye not called masters , and the spirit of christ being our rule , that leads us in the fulfilling of christs words , let i. s. shuffle as he will : also he lyes of j. n. to say he denyes , and grants the same thing to be in the letter , for though he say he that believes hath the witnesse in himself ▪ which is truth : yet he doth not say the letter is the believers witness , which he seems falsly to be charged withall ; and he saith the spirit of god must give the spirituall understanding of the scriptures ; but this he doth in another way , than that whereby he inspired the pen-men of the scriptures . now this is false doctrine ; for christ the way , the same to us , as to them , and not another way of understanding scriptures , nor by another spirit than that which gave them forth ; and he saith , christ directed to himself ▪ joh. 5 39. as revealed in the scriptures , and more than that , as conveyed by the scriptures to a soul : now let the reader take notice and search that scripture , whether he hath not added to it , yea or nay ? or where any ever had christ conveyed to them by scriptures : it doth say the scriptures testifies of him , but it doth not say that he is revealed in the scriptures , nor conveyed by them to a soul ; and this is his additional gloss to corrupt the text , to undervalue the eternal spirit of the father , by which christ is only revealed , and received , and not by the scriptures . and for e. b. to say , that he came not to them with en●icing words , neither what he had gathered from the scripture without him , but to declare the word of the lord , and not to speak his own conceivings and imaginations ( this is true and no contradiction in it , though i. s. say these cannot both be true , to say , that he neither came with what he had gathered from scripture , nor his own imaginations ▪ for the apostles of christ did not preach what they had gathered from scripture , neither their own imaginations , but preached the word and gospel of god which they had received from god , and not gathered from scripture , nor in their own imaginations ; and because he saith , both these negatives cannot be true , then it is concluded , that himself preaches either what he hath gathered from scripture , or his own imaginations , and let him chuse to say whether he will ; and in the next , he will be proved a false prophet , and that e ▪ b. compiled a book out of scripture , collections , is false , for having the same spirit which gave forth the scripture , which brings the scripture to remembrance , is not compiling a book out of scriptures ; and i. s. is found a false accuser , and e. b. neither a self contradictor , no● self curser , and these are true words to this generation ▪ and owned with the spirit of god , though i. s. in his scornful spirit abuse them ▪ he that hath the word of the lord , from the mouth of the lord , to declare , he is reviled ▪ and mocked . but he that speaks the imagination of his own heart from the saints conditions , he is heard and owned , and this is neither scripture contradiction , nor self-contradiction , let i. s. judge out of his own heart what he will ; neither is this self contradiction to ask which of the saints h●d the witness of their souls union to seek in the letter , and yet to affirm the spirit opens , and brings that which is spoken in scripture to remembrance . let i. s. first answer the query in plainness , which is an honest query , and not to imply from it his own conceptions , to make appear self-contradictions let the sober reader judge where the contradiction lyes , and he saith the spirit is in the letter , and goes about to prove it if he could ; if the spirit be in the letter , then all must have the spirit that hath the letter , and the spirit is where ever the bible is , which i do deny , for many hath the letter , and professes it , which knows not the spirit , and many hath the bible in their pocket , which hath not the spirit there : and this will be confessed by i. s. and all his fellows , and so he must revoak , who ●aith the spirit is in the letter , and the spirit gives life , but the letter kill : in his proof he saith , the written word , viz. the letter is of greater authority then the writer , ( mark here ) christ was one of them which gave forth scripture , and he was a greater authority then what was written : and i say , as it is plain to all honest men who can believe truth , that the holy men of god who had the spirit were of greater authority than the scriptures since hath been which they left behind them . but i. s. hath set christ , and all them that gave forth scripture to be lesse in authority then the scriptures ; let wise men judge of this matter , he saith , they were imperfectly holy that wrote forth the scriptures , and this is an absolute lye , for the scriptures gives this testimony of many of them that wrote it , that they were perfect men , and he hath also slaunde●ed christ to be imp●rfectly holy ; and in his next let him p●ove what this imperfect holiness is , and till then we deny there is any holiness ●mperfect ▪ further , he saith , the promises of the scripture are his chariot to convey him , ( spirit ) whether he pleases to go ; but where is his proof for such a doctrine ; but all that he saith doth not prove ▪ that the spirit is in the letter , though he say to make up the sum of his matter , daily experiences doth demonstrate that the spirit is in the letter : but where is the man ? let him answer that thus hath experienced , that alwayes when he hath seen the letter , and handled the letter , hath seen and handled the spirit , the testimony of ●n honest man i will believe , but not i. s. assertion out of his own heart . in his 2d head of self-contradiction . concerning hearing the word , this is not contradiction to say , they who are of god hear his word ▪ and yet to deny the hearing of such as i. s ▪ who is not a minister of the word , but a professor of the letter , for proud men , and covetous men , and false acculers , such as i. s. is are we exhorted to turn away from by paul : and this is not a denying our selves to be of god , as i. s. would charge us withall , because we deny to hear hirelings , for we hear gods word , and his voice , and therefore do we deny to hear deceivers , and this is no self-contradiction , nor saying , nor unsaying , let i. s. judge what he will , the saints shall be my witness : and though we say that the saints teacher cannot be removed into a corner , as saith the scripture , and that the saints will find their teach as they lye in their beds : both these are true , and not self-contradiction , let a sober reader judge whether he can find contradict on in those words , but fain would i. s. have his lyes believed for truth , that he might have praise of men for his works hath gained no praise of god ; and he saith , r. f. hath proved not lyes yet against him : if it were so , let the reader search whether there be none proved against him now : but let him not say like a pharisee , i am no lyar , but rather let him repent of his lyes and wickednesse . his 3d head concerning the light within . wherein much ado he makes , as to prove the light of christ spoken of jo : 1. 9 to be a natural light , and he saith the light given to all men , even that light spoken of jo. 1. 9. is a dim light ▪ and is cold , and insufficient to salvation , and unable to make true discovery of the true saviour , and such like contemptible undervaluing words of the pure light of christ , by whom the world was made , who lighteth every man in the world : and by this it is known more evidently what spirit i. s. is of : but there is none of us who have received the knowledge of god by the very light of christ which shines in our hearts can believe him : and this is no contradiction to say that every man is lightened by christ with the true light , and yet to say , some men are living in a natural condition , both these are true , for some hates the light of christ , and their deeds are evil , and such are in a natural condition ; but this doth not prove that christ hath not given them light , though they be in a natural condition , i leave it to spiritual men to judge , though they say it seems strange , that some should live a natural condition , and yet have the light of christ given them , saith he , as if every man brought a saviour with him into the world . this last is his false conception , but he is mans saviour by whose power every man is brought into the world , and if i. s. did but understand as we do , that some love the light , and some hates it : such as hates it denyes christ : he that loves it receives christ , who knows this strangeth not , i. s. wondring shews his ignorance who would secretly charge us to be bewitched with a notion , of accounting nature grace , which we do not , and it is his own condition he that conceives lyes , believes them , and tells them , is the rather bewitched . and further , he saith the light in every man is a poor , base , beggarly scrap to the gospel treasure ; these words are uttered in his hastiness , and without either fear or knowledge , for he that lighteth every man with the true light of life , ( or of condemnation ) is not base beggarly scraps , as i. s. saith it is , for it brings to the knowledge of the gospel treasure and pearle , and not other light , and thus whilst he thinks to prove us self-contradictors , proves himself a villifier , and a blasphemer of christ jesus the saviour of the world , who lighteth every man that cometh into the world . again , he would make this contradiction , because we say every man in his first state is as a beast , and yet saying every man is lightened : but this is not contradiction no more than the former is ; and then he speaks of natural conscience , and secretly charges a● if we should say it is potent and victorious at last ; but this is is a secret slander of his , for we say christ only is victorious , and through him are we made conquerors , and not by natural conscience : and he speaks of gospel conviction to be above the conviction of natural conscience ; but i would know of him where the gospel conviction works , if not in m●ns consciences ? and so in his next let him divide if he can , and shew the difference of such convictions . further , he would say that this is contradiction to say that every man in his first birth may see himself to be natural ; and yet to say that the light which discovers natural corruptions , is not natural , but spiritual , both these are true , for the light shines in darkness , which shews the darkness , and is not darkness but light : and he that can understand that scripture iohn 1 ▪ 5. shall see the truth of both these to b● no self-contradiction . further , he saith the scriptures are a rule above the saints light , and ●nto it , and not so , their light above the scripture : this is confusion , and he knows not whereof he affi●ms , for the spirit of god is the saints rule , and that is greater than the scriptures , and the rule of the spirit of god is above the scripture ; but such as i. s. who talks of scriptures to be a rule , and yet acts these things which the scriptures declare against ▪ are but found in deeper hypocrisie , for he that is ruled by the spirit of god walks up in the fulfilling of scriptures . and further , i. s. confessed , and saith this he knows , that he is more brutish then a man , and hath not the knowledge of the holy , and this is truly confessed , his own works manifest his condition to be true , and he confesses he never obeyed natural light as he ought , and as he might , and this is truly confessed : for if he had obeyed that light which he calls natural , he would not thus have stumbled at him who hath lightened every man . and further , he charges a deceit when men will put off that for redemption light which is but old creation light ; let him charge them that are guilty : but yet we say that the same is redeemed by whom the world was created ; and this is without any deceit , and he that lighteneth every man with the light , that is but one , he is the saviour of all that receive him in the light , and he is the condemner of all that hate his light ; and this is no self-contradiction , but the very truth as it is in jesus . further , i. s. would make it appear if he could that we contradict our selves concerning sin and christ , but his whole section i leave to be read in his book , and let the wise reader judge whether his proof be any such thing , only his lye will prove what he saith ; he saith , we hold christ to be in all , this is his lye , for we say christ is not in the reprobate , neither did we ever affirm that christ is not in the reprobate , and so is not in all ; neither do we concerning justification contradict our selves in the spirit of god , though so it may appeare to i. s. blind mind , and so would make it appear to others by blind arguments by his own meaning . again i. s. would charge self-contradiction upon , because we bear witness to the new covenant , and doth say , the children of god are taught of god , and needs no man to teach them , but as the anoynting within them , and yet doth write and print ; here he saith we condemne in others what we allow in our selves . now to all honest people this is no contradiction , neither a condemning in others what we allow in our selves , for therefore we write , and print , and speak , that all may come to the knowledge of this thing , and may be converted to god , and know his teaching within them ; but what would i. s. have said of john who told them they needed no man to teach them , but as that within them ; and yet did write epistles to them , very like he would have called this contradictions . and the same is our cause , who doth and must do ( though i. s. and his companions be grieved therewith ) because their folly is laid open , thereby print , and write , and speak that people through the ministry be brought to know the teaching of god in themselves , and yet herein in the light of the spirit of god , do we not contradict our selves , let i. s. say what he will : neither do we allow in our selves what we condemn in another , this is one of i. s. his lyes ; we allow the ministry of christ , yet doth not allow the ministry of deceivers , and yet is not in contradiction ; and this in short may give the reader to understand the deceit , and deceivableness to lye in i. s. who is found seeking offences against us without any cause given him : and he layes snares for another , which doth entrap his own feet . and whereas he hath transcribed e. b. his confession in the warning to vnderbarrow , which confession is still owned , and no self contradiction proved by it , for though god s●ake by g. f. to him , this doth not contradict the teaching of the spirit of god , as that e. b. was not taught by the spirit of god , for as i have said g. f. did minister as many doth at this day , that people should come to the teaching of god in themselves , and herein we do not contradict the scriptures , let i. s ▪ make as many blind arguments as he can ; and that instance about i. l. being of the same nature with the former : the answer supplyes both his proofs , neither of which doth prove us in contradiction , but is a witness to the ministry of christ , and to the conversion received through it , wherein we are taught of god , and needs no man to teach us , but as the anointing the spirit of god within us , which is immediate , and yet we preach the gospel to others , that they may come to witness the same with us , even the teaching of the spirit of god , and for this end is the ministry of god sent by us to bring others to the knowledge of god through it , and this is no self-contradiction , let i. s. say what he will . further , i. s. doth instance e. b. his calling mans light natural and carnal in the warning , &c. and would call his contradiction to some who doth deny the light of christ to be natural and carnal , as the priests of england terme it ; but this is no contradiction , for though w● do deny that the light of christ jesus is natural and carnal , and doth not allow any so to call it , yet the light of man , by which carnal men doth judge of carnal transgressions , is natural ; e. b. doth never say that the light of christ is natural and carnal , but the light of man is so he saith , and in this instance there is no contradiction ; neither in any parts of the words following , which is transcribed ; and much might be said as to the occasion of those words being uttered when e. b. was in prison falsly , as many have been since , who was one of the first that by ●mprisonment was a sufferer for the name of jesus in the north of england , before i. s. was troubled with any of us ; but it is sufficient what is said to the mans light by which carnal men judgeth of any thing , is one thing , and the light of christ jesus which is spiritual mens guide is another thing ; e. b. speak of mans light , and i. s. foolishly opposes him as if he spake of the light of christ jesus , and so opposes his own conception . and further , i. s. asserts , that scripture light is the standing rule for faith and manners , so are not immediate revelations , and teachings . here he hath set up the scriptures above the spirit of god , and above the revelation of jesus christ , the saints was led by what the spirit revealed ▪ and taught , christ said he should teach into all truth , and they that were the sons of god were loved by the spirit of god , and that was their rule to be led by in their faith and manners : but yet see a hypocrite , ( i. s. is he ) that pleads for scripture to be the rule , and yet is acting in many things contrary to the scriptures , as at large may be instanced ; neither is in all the scripture the scripture called light , but scripture saith christ is the light . further he saith , there is sufficient light in the scripture to guide men to salvation : mark his doctrine , whether he hath not preached another thing than christ to be the way , and whether he hath not made christ , and the blood of christ of none effect , without which no salvation ▪ but he saith there is sufficient in the scripture to lead men to salvation , and neither christ nor his blood is in scripture , let it be moved . further , he saith , the scripture was given by the spirit for a rule ; this we desire a proof off by plain scripture , and till then we deny it . and further , he saith , the spirit gives out himself by scripture : and yet he saith he never said the scripture did give the spirit , and this is an absolute contradiction , as may be noted so i. s. is taken in the snare contradicting himself in one quarter of a sheet of paper , and hath not at all proved us to be self-contradictors concerning any of these things mentioned by him . further , he saith in his 8th head , that our possessing perfection , and quaking after moses example , cross shines on the other , but wherein he doth not shew , neither can the honest-minded read any contradiction in it , but only it seems i. s. hath set himself to cavell . further , he saith , we contradict our selves concerning quaking , and trembling , from this confession , that the same power that made moses to quake and tremble , the same power we witness ; but wherein doth this contradiction appear in these words , let honest men try the cause , and i. s. be silent ; and whereas he instances i. p. standing in an evill cause , and of i. p. he may be silent , whose blood he or his generation sought after : and now might they well be quiet of him , their wills being stifled by drinking his blood as it were : but that wicked men must add to their own wickedness till it be fulfilled , that they may receive their reward , and i. p. was bold , as is the children of god ; and though i. s. would clear himself and his company from what was done to i. p. yet by the effect it appeared that there was enough envy in them towards him and the truth , and though his body be in the ground , yet the spirit of the lord which guided him stands alive , a sufficient witness against them , and all their cruel and wicked dealing ; and let i. s. judgement be what it will , neither concerning growth of grace , nor forms of religion , nor fruits of the spirit do we at all contradict the spirit of god ; neither doth he prove us in these things whereof he accuseth us in strife & debate , ( except against such as i. s. and the devils kingdom , ) neither in emulation , hatred , scoffs , or any of these things whom the lord hath redeemed us from , though we be falsely accused in these things , as in many other by him ; and whereas he would prove their preaching in their method , and points , and reasons , and uses from the example of the saints in former ages , he falls far short in effecting his extent , for he cannot prove that they studied for what they spake , nor that in such a way they delivered what they said an hour by a glass , &c. as the priests of this age do ; also if it were they preached in the like manner as the apostles did , yet not by the same spirit , but by the spirit of error , and for a wrong end , that is the thing which makes their manner abominable , when as they are not guided wth the same spirit of the apostles , and their preaching in their method of points , and particulars is rather an art of preaching by humane policy , and not the gift of preaching by the spirit of god ; neither do we concerning humility , and love contradict our selves , but are in humility , and love towards all men , even such as wrongs us we seek no revenge against , and herein doth our humility and love appear , yet cannot we respect any mans person with hat or knee , and that is it which i. s. i suppose is offended with . in his 13th head concerning ordinances . he charges us with self-contradiction , because we say we own praying , &c. and yet hath given over family prayer , morning and evening , and at meals , but this is no contradiction : for we own praying in the spirit of god , but doth deny it without the spirit , and this is no contradiction ; he may as well say it was contradiction in christ to cry against the prayers of the pharisees , & yet to teach his disciples to pray , and to pray himself ; this is the same cause of ours which he foolishly charges with contradiction , and as i have said the prayers of the wicked we deny , and yet doth own prayer in the spirit , and who are moved by the spirit morning or evening , or at meals , or otherwise , and this is truth let i. s. gather what he can from it . further , he saith , if we teach one another , why do we condemn them for teaching . but to this i have answered preaching or teaching by the spirit we own , and without the spirit we deny ; and because we say we own all that which is gods , as baptisme , the lords supper , and sabbath , &c. pet doth disown in practice their water baptisme , and their form of breaking of bread and wine ▪ and their forms of church-fellowship , and their form of keeping a sabbath ; this he charges to be contradiction , but it is not so in the sight of the lord , though i. s. falsely so judge it ; for their baptisme and breaking of bread and wine , and their church fellowship , and keeping of a day , i say their exercise in these things we do deny to be of god , as in measure is proved , and may be further if need require ; and i say we own that which is gods ▪ and which is led unto by his spirit , and practised in his fear , and counsel , and yet we do deny all their immitations of any thing which god commanded doth owne the command of god , and yet doth not contradict our selves , though i. s. falsely so judge of us . further , he charges us with self-contradiction , concerning speech , and silence , because we check some for speaking , and yet speaks or writes our selves ; but this is the same with the former , and the same answer will serve , that speaking that which is not in the spirit we check , which is not the voyce of christ , but of the stranger , and yet doth own that which is spoken by the spirit of god , and herein doth not contradict our selves . further , he saith , we contradict our selves concerning conscience and laws ; because we say there must be no law concerning religion , viz. to bind any man to worship in this or the other way , and to bind him from this or that way of worship , and yet in exhorting the rulers that their laws be according to that in the conscience ; but in these words there is no contradiction , for the laws being according to the light in every mans ▪ conscience , that law will not bind , or limit the conscience from this or that way of worship in religion , for that law is un ▪ just which binds or limits the pure conscience of any man ; but that law which is contrary to the light in every mans conscience , is oppression , and we bear witness against it ; and though we do say no law must be laid upon religion , that it is to say , to bind any mans conscience to or from such a form of religion ; and though we further say that all just laws is and should be according to the light in every mans conscience : yet in this there is no contradiction . and whereas i. s. speaks of such laws who persecuted , prisoned , and crucified for the testimony of a good conscience , god hath hewen down in all ages saith he : let the rulers of england take notice of this from the mouth of one of their teachers . and further , i adde , so will god hew down in this age all those laws by which many are persecuted and prisoned , as he hath done ie other ages ; therefore let it be considered by them . and he saith , the magistrate is not to levell his law with every mans conscience and light : and this he speaks in opposition to us , but he needs not , for we say the same that some mens consciences are defiled , and we do not desire the laws to be made according to mens several opinions , and defiled consciences , but according to the light of christ jesus in every mans conscience , which is but one in all , and is according to the law of god , and every just law will be according to it , and though i. s. by his own meaning would make it appear contradiction in our saying no law must be concerning religion , and yet saying all laws should be according to the light of christ in the conscience ; now by these words we do not mean that we would not have a law according to religion , but no law to limit to or from this or that manner of religion , and this doth very well agree with our saying , let all your laws be according to the light of christ ; so by his misinterpretation of the first he makes it appear to be contradictions to the second ; but it is not so in the light of the spirit of god . and further , r. f. saying the law of god answers his justice , and the light of christ in the conscience answers the law of god which is perfect , according to that in the conscience ; these words i. s. charges with two errors : but let the reader try where the error lyes , and not believe i. s. false deduction from r. f. plain words , which are simply uttered , through subtilty wrested . and i. s. speaks as if some would have magistrates to make laws to bind themselves from striking at offenders , blasphemers , gospel and church disturbers , &c. in answer to this , we are not they that would have any magistrates to bind themselves from striking at offenders , who are truly able to judge of offences , we own that such should be punished according to the offence , but the magistrates law reaches but to the outward man , to keep that in peace and good order , and not to the inward man to bind or limit that . and as for blasphemy , and gospel , and church ▪ disturbing , we find many magistrates not able to judge thereof : but many on the contrary calling truth blasphemy , and reproving of sin in teachers and people , gospel and church disturbing , and so by false judgement making such offenders which are not , and so abusing their power , and condemning the innocent rather then the guilty , and these are such as i. s. speaks of , where the strong man armed keeps the house , and these are rather a terror to well doers then to evill , and such magistrates , and such laws by which the just are oppressed , and the hands of the wicked strengthened will the lord confound ▪ in a day to the glory of his name , and to the refreshing of all his people , who is now every way oppressed by evill men , both by rulers , teachers , and people . and as for the rest of his book , it s but of the same nature with the former , and not worth answering to , onely his lyes i do deny , and his first following is , that all our doctrines are raised upon the ruines of the scriptures excellency , and authority ; this is false , neither doth his proof at all make it good . his second lye is , that our corrupt tenents are built upon false and novel interpretations , and this is two lyes together , our tenents are not corrupt , neither do we build any thing which we hold upon false interpretations . his third lye is , that it is pride that hath bred , and doth feed our opinions and practises : and this is also false , and to prove it hath wrested some of e. b. words . his fourth lye is , that unbelief begets , and procreates all our errors , and our love of error with our derisions of the truth ; here is many lyes folded up in one , which are all denyed with the life of god , and the author of them proved to be of the devil , and we proved to be of god , who are spoken all manner of evil against falsely for the name of jesus . his fifth lye is , that we do subtilly couch many errors under spacious words of truth : this lye also i bear witness against , as also against his sixth , wherein he charges us with meer ignorance , and wilful blindness about the covenant of grace , &c. his seventh lye is , that much of mystical babylon , and confusion is in our writings , and wayes : this is also a lye and of the devil ; and also against his eight i bear testimony , our doctrines and practises ends not in apostacy , neither are they blasphemy against christ , as i. s. impudently asserteth ; so that from the first of his book to his last his whole work is born witness against not to be of god , but of the devill , and in vain hath he striven , and his work shall not accomplish any part of his desire : for the quakers against whom he hath written cannot be offended in christ , though i. s. have endeavoured for to make their way and doctrines in the sight of men abominable ; but his work shall not prevent the purpose of the lord , nor the gathering in of the upright-hearted from the mouths of devouring shepheards , such as i. s. and the priests of england ▪ who is it that doth not begin to see their deceits and abominations ? yea thousands do , and m●ny more shall do ; so that all their striving to uphold their kingdom is but in vain , for god hath blasted al their glory , and he will teach his people himself , and govern them by his own law and order , and the kingdoms of this world shall be changed , and shall become the kingdoms of the lord , and of his christ , and antichrist and all his ministers shall be confounded , and the beast and the false prophet shall both be taken alive , and cast into the lake . ah , john stelham , against whom hast thou set thy self , and exalted thy horn ? against whom hast thou bent thy strength , and shot forth thy envie in crafty words of guile ? who is it that thou hast defied , and girded on thy armour against , and counted them as nothing before thy uncircumcised strength ? even against the lords people hast thou thus done , though thou wilt not now know it , yet one day thou shalt know it , when iniquity is come to an end , and transgression finished , and thou shalt stand in thy lot at that day , and receive according to thy work a just and righteous reward from the hand of the lord , in the day of judgement , when every secret work of iniquity shall appear to condemnation ; and in the mean time , the lord will bring forth good unto his people , even from thy evil , and all things ( even thy evil purposes ) shail work together for good , unto such whom god hath called : and thy works and purposes which are to trouble them , and to break them , and to make them appear vile in the sight of men , even thy work doth the lord turn , to establish them , and to unite them ; and in the sight of men , thy work against us , proves us to be of god , and thy self to be of the devil , who was a persecutor from the beginning , and thou shalt be scattered in thy imaginations , and thy whole work hath god confounded , and it shall not accomplish any whit of that end propounded in thy sinful heart , which hath brought forth milchief , for it 's blasted in the anger of god , and men shall neither call it , nor the father of it , any more blessed : and friend , hadst thou known how little it doth accomplish of thy evil intent , thou would have spared thy labour , and employed thy service to another end , and then had not thy wickedness so greatly appear in the sight of god , nor thy shame and nakedness in the sight of men , as it now doth , by this thy sinful deed , brought forth of a cursed womb , and conceived in unrighteousness : alas , alas man ! how art thou fallen into the pit which thou hast digged for another ? and how doth the shame overtake thee , which thou hast thought should fall upon us ; let thy wickedness correct thee , and know thou ▪ that the lord will not forsake his people , who cannot be offended in christ , though thou cast stumbling blocks of iniquity in the way , and would cause them to sin ; but even so much the more , as thou speaks evil against the way of the lord , are they the more upright therein , and the more loving and delighting in the path of righteousness , and thou hast but the more fully discovered in many things from thy own pen , the wickedness and wrath that hath secretly lodged in thy heart ▪ and it appears that thy wisdom is devillish , and from below ; deceiving and being deceived , and thy path is in craft and subtilty , and not in innocency and plain simplicit● , and ● this manner , and by this means chiefly is thy work managed unto an evil end , but the lord hath rebuked it , and will do yet more , till it appear to all men , as it doth to us , to be what i have said of it , and it shall be a shame to thee , and shall not receive prayse neither of god nor man , but condemnation in the sight of both ; and hadst thou known that we are established even on the top of gods holy mountain , and cannot be moved nor shaken , by such weak pitiful blasts of confusion and ignorance , coming out of thy mouth , where poyson lodges under thy tongue , sure hadst thou known it , thou would have travelled in another path ; but that thy folly might appear unto all men , is thy work sent abroad , that they may see what lodges in thy mind , even more envie then in the heart of balaam , and more desire of evil to the lords people than ever , was in him ; and thou fulfils the measure of thy forefathers wickedness , till the sum be accounted , and destruction follow , thou hast too much troubled thy self , in labouring , and thy reward will not countervail thy pains ; hadst thou but only spoken against us , we should have born it , and thou might have been the more excused , but in that thou hast spoken against the light of christ , and called it perverse principle ▪ and many other blasphemous words of bitterness against the very truths of jesus . this is the cause wherefore we have answered thee , and thou art utterly inexcusable ; for what thou hast done , it is not altogether through ignorance , though much ignorance be in it , but out of perfect rebellion , and purpose of mischief ; and for mastery we do not strive with thee , but rather wisheth thy repentance , than thy destruction ; and who doth not believe but your kingdom ( i mean the priests of england ) is going down apace , and your glory fading as a flower , and the lord will make you a shame to your selves , who hath for many ages preyed devouringly upon the upright , and through perfect covetousness have made merchandize of souls ; and now many hath an eye opened to see your shame , and it appears with horrible detestation ; even the saying is fulfilled , as troups of robbers wait for a man , so the company of priests murders in the way by consent , as the prophet said : and as christ said , wo unto you , you will not enter your selves , nor suffer others to enter that world . wherefore thou j. stelham . even thou repent of this thy wickedness , for the wrath of the lord is gone forth against thee , and evill hast thou done against god , and against his people , and against thy own soul , and this thou shalt know one day to thy exceeding sorrow , unto which time we leave thee , and could have born all thy scandalous rearms without replying again , but onely for the sake of the simple , that thy neighbours may see thy folly , and all men to whom thine and this doth come , and we have not been large , but in short , have in singleness of heart born our testimony once more to the truth of the glorious gospel which we have received of god , and not of man , and against thee and thy sinful heart , and whatsoever proceeds out of it , for thou being evill , how canst thou speak good things , the tree must be good before the fruit can be so , but out of thy evill heart hast thou brought forth evill , and must receive the reward of evill whether thou wilt or no ; and what if we should go about to shew wherein the priests of england do contradict the scripture , might not we have a large catalogue , even in all your worship , and in the most of your practises , acting contrary to the scripture , and contradicting that spirit that gave it forth in doctrine , and in conversation in such an enterprise as this might , we make your folly sound abroad ; and as to the contradicting your selves , and being of many judgements and opinions , and difference in many particulars about the things of god among your selves herein you abound almost above measure ; and this if need require , could i by the strength of jesus sufficiently make you appear abominable in the eyes of all just men , and so think not in thy self that you are free from scripture , and self-contradiction , but truly guilty your selves in what thou hast wickedly accused us of falsely , which doth but prove thee to be of thy father who is an accurser of the brethren , and proves us to be of god according to christs words , we are spoken all manner of evill of falsely for the name of jesus christ , whom we serve , and therefore are hated of the world because we are not of it ; but without much more words i leave this i. s. our adversary to the judgement of the great day , wherein we and he shall receive according to our deeds , and till then is as willing to have dispraise , as praise of men , who is not a jew outward , but a jew inward , who hath no praise of men , but of god , who is of the kingdom of christ , which is not of this world . e. b. notes, typically marginal, from the original text notes for div a86667e-180 * viz quakers * viz. quakers * viz. quakers * viz. quakers . * viz. quakers * viz. quakers * viz. quakers answer . answer . answer . answer . answer . answer . answer . priest . priest . answer . priest . answer . answer . priest . answer . rom. 8. a declaration to all the world of our faith, and what we believe and this is written that all people upon earth may know by whome, and how we are saved, and hopes for eternal life, & what we believe concerning god, christ, & the spirit, and of the things that are eternal : appertaining to all mankind to know & believe. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30517 of text r23838 in the english short title catalog (wing b5995). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 16 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 5 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30517 wing b5995 estc r23838 07915524 ocm 07915524 40392 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30517) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 40392) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 1199:17) a declaration to all the world of our faith, and what we believe and this is written that all people upon earth may know by whome, and how we are saved, and hopes for eternal life, & what we believe concerning god, christ, & the spirit, and of the things that are eternal : appertaining to all mankind to know & believe. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 8 p. printed for thomas simmons, london : 1657. caption title. work signed: edward burrough. reproduction of original in the british library. eng society of friends -apologetic works. a30517 r23838 (wing b5995). civilwar no a declaration to all the world of our faith, and what we believe. and this is written that all people upon earth may know by whom, and how w burrough, edward 1657 3304 3 0 0 0 0 0 9 b the rate of 9 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the b category of texts with fewer than 10 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 spi global keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-03 mona logarbo sampled and proofread 2004-03 mona logarbo text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a declaration to all the world of our faith , and what we believe . and this is written that all people upon earth may know by whom , and how we are saved , and hopes for eternal life ; & what we believe concerning god , christ , & the spirit , and of the things that are eternal , appertaining to all mankind to know & believe . concerning god , christ , and the spirit , this we believe . first , that there is onely one true god , who is a spirit , and his presence filleth heaven and earth , and he is eternal and everlasting , the creator and preserver of all things , and heaven and earth , and all things therein , by him were framed and brought forth , and all things remain unto this day by his power , and whatsoever he will in heaven and earth , he brings to passe by his word and power . and we believe that this god onely is , and ought to be feared , loved , obeyed and worshipped by all creatures , and no other thing besides him in heaven or earth ; and we believe , that his worship , and obedience , and fear , and love , is to be given in spirit , even in what his own spirit moveth and leadeth his people unto . and we believe his true worship , required and accepted of him , is not by the traditions of men , in outward observances , or set-dayes , or places , but is worshipped only in spirit & truth , without respect of time , places , or things ; and that none can worship him in righteousnesse but his children who are born of his spirit , and are led and guided thereby . and we believe that this god hath given his son christ jesus into the word , a free-gift unto the whole world , and that every man that cometh into the world is lightned by him , that every man might believe , and be saved . and we believe that he is given into the world , and no nation , countrey , or people excepted , but unto all mankind is he given of god , and hath lightned them , and every man through the world , that believeth in , and receiveth christ , who is the vvisdom and power of the father , shall be saved with eternal salvation ; and every one that believeth not in him , shall be damned , and shall possesse everlasting misery . and we believe that salvation , iustification , and sanctification , is onely in him , and wrought by him , and no other ; for there is no other name given under heaven , but him alone , by which salvation is . and we believe all that receives him , and believes in him are reconciled to god , and are made alive to god , to live to him in all things , and doth receive the forgivenesse of sins , and are set free from all unrighteousness , and from the body of sin and death , and hath the vvitnesse of the spirit in them ; and the spirit of the father they have received , and it witnesseth in them of the father and of the son , and of the things that belong unto their peace ; and it is the earnest of the inheritance , and the seal of the promise of eternal life ; and by it are the deep things of god revealed to mankind ; and by it the father and the son dwells in the saints ; and by it have they fellowship one with another ; and the father , son , and spirit are one : and this we faithfully believe . again , concerning christ , vve believe that he is one with the father , and was with him before the vvorld was ; and what the father worketh , it is by the son , for he is the arm of gods salvation , and the very power and wisdom of the creator , and was , is , and is to come , without beginning or end . and we believe that all the prophets gave testimony of him , and that he was made manifest in iudea and ierusalem , and did the vvork of the father , and was persecuted of the iews , and was crucified by his enemies , and that he was buryed , & rose again , according to the scriptures . and we believe he is now ascended on high , and exalted at the right hand of the father for evermore ; & that he is glorified with the same glory that he had before the vvorld was ; and that even the same that came down from heaven , is ascended up to heaven ; and the same that descended , is he that ascended . and we believe even he that was dead , is alive , and lives for evermore ; and that he cometh , and shall come again to judge the whole vvorld with righteousnesse , and all people with equity , and shall give to every man according to his deeds at the day of judgement , when all shall arise to condemnation or justification , he that hath done good shall receive life , and he that hath done evil , everlasting condemnation . and we believe he is to be waited for in spirit , to be known after the spirit , as he was before the vvorld was , and that is the knowledge unto eternal life ; which all that believe in him doth receive ; and he subdues death , and destroyes him that hath the power of it , and restoreth from death to life , and quickneth by his spirit all that the father hath given him ; and we believe such he justifieth and sanctifieth , and such are taught of him ; but he condemns all that believe not , but continues in unbelief , and are not taught of him : and this vve faithfully believe . and vve believe that unto all people upon the face of the vvhole earth , is a time and day of visitation given , that they may return and be saved by christ jesus , vvho is given of the father to call the vvorst of men to repentance , and the most ungodly of sinners are convinced by him of their ungodly deeds , that they might believe , and be converted , and saved . and vve believe herein is the love of god manifested to all mankind , and that none is shut out by him before they vvere born into the vvorld ; but unto all men is a visitation given , and they that do perish , it is because they do not believe in christ ; & destruction is of a mans self , but salvation is of god , through believing in his son , vvho takes avvay sin , and renevveth into his ovvn image , that they may become heirs vvith him . and vve believe that there is a crovvn of eternal glory , and an inheritance of eternal life to be injoyed for evermore by all that believe and are chosen of god , and that there is everlasting misery and destruction to be possessed by all that believe not , but continues in the stare of reprobation , and are not changed from the wayes of sin and death , but walks after the wayes of their own hearts lusts , fulfilling the will of the flesh , in the evil of this world , and follows not christ the light of the world , that they may be saved ; and we believe upon all such the wrath of god abideth , and that they have no part in the inheritance of god . and we believe that it is onely he that is born again of the spirit , and that walks after the spirit , who is changed from death to life , and who is redeemed out of the world and all its wayes , such onely must inherit the kingdom of god , and they onely have right thereunto , and none besides , even they that are washed and clensed from all unrighteousnesse by the blood of jesus , by which their sins are remitted , for his blood clenseth from all unrighteousness and sin , they that walk in the light which christ jesus hath lightned the world withall . and we believe that the saints upon earth may receive forgiveness of sins , and may be perfectly freed from the body of sin and death , and in christ may be perfect , and without sin , and may have victory over all temptations by faith in christ jesus . and we believe every saint that is called of god , ought to press after perfection , and to overcome the devil and all his temptations upon earth ; and we believe they that wait for it shall obtain it , and shall be presented without sin in the image of the father , and such walks not after the flesh , but after the spirit , and are in covenant with god , & their sins are blotted out & remembred no more , for they cease to commit sin , being born of the seed of god . and we believe the gospel of christ is the power of god unto salvation , & that it ought to be preached freely unto all people , and christ to be held forth to all mankind by the ministry sent of him . and we believe this ministry is received by the gift of the holy ghost , and all they that receive it , are lawfully called to the ministry , and they may preach the gospel of christ freely , as they have received it freely ; and this ministry is not of man , but of god , and is made powerful to the converting of sinners , and to the bringing of people to god , and to the knowledge of his wayes . and we do not believe that any man is a minister of christ without the gift of the holy ghost , or that the gospel can be received by natural learning or education . and we believe such as preach for hire , and hath hire for preaching , are not the lawful called ministers of the gospel of christ , such as are proud , and high minded , and covetous men , who doth not profit the people at all , such have run , and were never sent of christ , who calleth by his spirit into the work of the ministry ; and as every one hath received the gift of that his spirit , so he may administer to others . concerning rulers and governors ; we believe that there ought to be rulers and governors in every nation , city , countrey , or town , and they ought to be such men as feareth god , and hateth every evil way , who will judge for god , and not for man , and will judge righteously , equally , and justly , and will give true and sound judgement unto all men , without bribery , or respect of persons , not regarding the rich above the poor , but being a praise unto all that do well , and a terror to all evil-doers whatsoever , having knowledge in the pure law of god , and themselves continually exercised therein . and we believe that every law of man ought to be grounded upon the law of god , pure reason and equity being the foundation thereof , that gods witness in every man may answer to it ; and the law ought to be known unto all people before transgression be charged or punished in any man . and we believe that every transgression ought to be punished according to its nature , and that the punishment exceed not the greatnesse of the transgression ; neither ought any transgressor to escape unpunished ; neither ought any upon false suspition or jealousies to be caused to suffer without the testimony of true men , or the confession of the party . and we believe that the executors of the law ought to be just men , and not given to pride , drunkenness , or any other evil whatsoever , and ought to be chosen every year , or otherwise , by the common consent of all people , and that no man be stopped of his free choice . and we believe that all governors and rulers ought to be accountable to the people , and to the next proceeding rulers , for all their actions , which may be inquired into upon occasion ; and that the chiefest o● the rulers be subject under the law , and punishable by it if they be transgressors , as well as the poorest of the people : and thus true judgement and justice will be brought forth in the earth , and all that do well will have praise , and live in rest and peace and all evil-doers whatsoever may stand in awe , and be afraid of god , and just men , and the execution of good laws . concerning religion ; we believe that it is onely the spirit of the lord that makes men truly religious , and that no man ought to be compelled to , or from any exercise or practise in religion , by any outward law , or power , but every man ought to be left free , as the lord shall perswade his own mind in doing , or leaving undone this , or the other practise in religion ; and every man of what profession in religion soever , ought to be protected in peace , provided himself be a man of peace , not seeking the wrong of any mans person or estate . and we believe that to reprove false opinions , and unsound doctrines and principles , seeking to convince them that oppose themselves , by exhortation , or sharp reproof , by word or writing , ought not to be counted a breach of the peace ; or to strive about the things of the kingdom of god , by men of contrary minds or judgements ▪ this ought not to be punishable by the magistrates and their laws ; for we believe that the outward law and powers of the earth is onely to preserve mens persons & estates , and not to preserve men in opinions ; neither ought the law of the nation to be laid upon mens consciences , to bind them to , or from such a judgement or practise in religion . and we believe that christ is , and ought onely to be lord and exerciser of mens consciences , and his spirit onely must lead into all truth . and we believe that obedience and subjection in the lord belongs to superiors and that subjects ought to obey them in the lord that have rule over them ; and that children ought to obey their parents , and wives their husbands , and servants their masters in all things , which is according to god , which stands in the exercise of a pure conscience towards god : but where rulers , parents , or masters , or any other , commandeth or requireth subjection in any thing which is contrary to god , or not according to him , in such causes all people are free , and ought to obey god rather then man ; and we believe that herein god will justifie them , being guided and led by his spirit in all that which is good , and out of all that which is evil . again , we believe concerning election and reprobation , that there is a state of election , and a state of reprobation ; a state chosen of god , and a state rejected of god , and that all mankind is in one of these states ; all that are elected , are elected in christ , and all that are out of him are in the state reprobate , bringing forth fruits of death and darkness , being a child of wrath and disobedience , in the alienation and separation from god , in the transgression , unreconciled to god , the enmity ruling in the heart , being in the fall , and not restored to god again , but ignorant of his power , and of his wisdom , having his understanding darkned that he cannot see nor perceive the things that are eternal ; and in this condition his best works are sin , and in whatsoever he doth he cannot be accepted with god , for he is dead to god , and alive to all evil , bringing forth all his works out of that ground which is cursed . this is the condition of all mankind upon the face of the earth , in the first adam , and this is the state of reprobation , and all that abide herein are rejected of god , and shall never inherit eternal life , but goes into perdition ; yet have all such a day of visitation , that they may return out of the state of reprobation ; but hating knowledge , and despising the love of god , they continue in the state reprobate , and the wrath of god abides upon them : but they that are chosen of god are delivered from wrath , for they believe in the light , and becomes children of the light , and are renewed in mind and heart , and receiveth the love of the father , and becometh planted into christ the second adam , and are chosen in him to bring forth fruit unto the father , and all their fruit springeth from that ground which is blessed ; for they are led by the spirit of the father , and such are in the estate of election , who is made heirs with christ of the everlasting inheritance that never fades away : and this we faithfully believe , that mercy is not shewed to the reprobate , nor judgement to them that are chosen of god . and this is to go abroad in the world that all people may understand what we believe , and what we have received of god ; and they that believe this , and walk therein , by the spirit of the fa●her shall be saved ; but they that believe not , but are disobedient to the truth , shall be condemned because they do not believe . much more might be written , but in short this is given forth by one that have believed and received the knowledge of these things from god ; a friend unto all people , edward burrough . the end . london , printed for thomas simmons , at the bull and mouth neer aldersgate , 1657. to the parliament of the common-wealth of england who are in place of authority to do justice, and in present power to ease the oppressed nation from its bonds : councel and advice unto you / from a friend that seeks after truth and righteousness from you ... burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30550 of text r36304 in the english short title catalog (wing b6039). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 19 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 5 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30550 wing b6039 estc r36304 15643021 ocm 15643021 104277 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30550) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 104277) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 1182:5) to the parliament of the common-wealth of england who are in place of authority to do justice, and in present power to ease the oppressed nation from its bonds : councel and advice unto you / from a friend that seeks after truth and righteousness from you ... burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 8 p. s.n., [london? : 1659?] caption title. signed and dated at end: lon. 6 of 8 mon., 1659. edward burrough. reproduction of original in the huntington library. eng society of friends -apologetic works. church and state -england. freedom of religion -england. a30550 r36304 (wing b6039). civilwar no to the parliament of the common-wealth of england, who are in place of authority to do justice, and in present power to ease the oppressed n burrough, edward 1659 3533 5 0 0 0 0 0 14 c the rate of 14 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the c category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 spi global keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-07 judith siefring sampled and proofread 2004-07 judith siefring text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-10 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion to the parliament of the common-wealth of england , who are in place of authority to do justice , and in present power to ease the oppressed nation from its bonds . councel and advice unto you , from a friend that seeks after truth and righteousness from you , and alwayes faithfully desires the nations good , and that the government thereof may be established upon a just and equal and right foundation , that the lord god may possess his right , and all men their right in our land , and that men of truth and sound judgement , may be set to judge the people in outward things , and the exercise of good conscience in faith and worship left unto god , that blessings and mercies , true freedom , peace and vnity , may run down as a stream in the land of our nativity , and that all the contrary may be cast out , and removed far away from us , and for this cause , these things following do i propound unto you , that you may read and consider , to the end that righteousness alone may be established in the nation , both in the foundation and practice of government . for as much as this nation , the land of our native inheritance ( as we are members of it ) hath long been held under great bondage and captivity , and the free-born people have born the heavy yokes of tyranny and oppression , both in respect of the foundation of government , and also in respect of practice thereof ; for not onely the practice , but also the very foundation of government , and the choosing of governours also hath been out of course , and not rightly laid , nor established in righteousness , by reason of that darkness that hath been over all people , in the dayes of the reign of antichrist , whose kingdome and government hath been in dominion in all nations , ever since the falling away from the faith , once delivered to the apostles , and then came the earth to be subjected under the tyranny and oppression of that fourth beast , dan. 7. and while thus it hath been in our nation that our kings have attained to the throne of government hereditarily , and by succession of birth , and our parliaments and rulers have attained to the place of judgement over us , by such a way of traditional choise , as hath been the custom in our forefathers dayes ( that knew no better , being in the dayes of apostacy & great ignorance themselves ) and thus it hath continued for many ages , whereby the inhabitants have been alwayes suffering under , and lyable to great oppressions & vexations , being subjected under such a government , falling as aforesaid , from parents to children , after the manner of the heathen nations , and being subjected to such laws , made and executed by men , not truly called and ordained of god thereunto , insomuch that nothing hath been perceived nor intended by men of the hand of the lord , and of his good spirit in the calling of our kings , and choosing of our rulers ; but these things have com'd to pass and been after the traditions of men , and not after the order and councel of the lord god ; and our nation hath been under the bonds of slavery in this respect , even because men have governed that ought not : and while the great and rich men hath been set to rule over the poor , and while men for earthly honour , and for riches sake in birth and breeding , have claimed to be princes over us successively , and to be chosen our rulers according to custom , without respect to their vertue and goodness , and without true calling from the lord , or any certain testimony from him , and thus it hath continued for many ages ; because of which the free born people hath deeply suffered the cruel oppressions of proud and ambitious and self-seeking men , who hath long ruled for themselves , and not for the lord , and have com'd into the place of authority over us , otherwise then by appointment and right calling from the lord , as i have said ; and thus the government of our nation hath been out of course , and not as the lord requireth it , even until this day , while great darkness hath remained upon the hearts of the people , which hath so blinded them , that they have not known their own bondage , nor yet how to be redeemed into perfect liberty , while they have subjected themselves ( through ignorance ) to be ruled by such men as had no right from god to that place of rule and government . but now in as much as the lord god our deliverer hath begun to appear for the freedom of the nations , and hath shewed us the captivity and bondage which our forefathers have lived under , and we our selves been subject and lyable too , by reason of the government standing in a single person successively , and we being forced to live under the authority of such men as had no right from god thereunto , as i have said ; and now our eyes are opened to behold better things , and we are in good expectations , that the lord will suddenly so appear , as to free us from future oppressions in this respect , for we look for a new earth , as well as for a new heaven , according to the lords promise to us , which is to be fulfilled in these latter dayes ; and that we shall have judges as at the first , and councellors as at the beginning , and that all our bonds of oppression shall be broken , that have lain upon us by unjust men , who have made laws , and executed them for us , without true calling to such a work ; and the lord alone will appear to be the king and judge and law-giver over all , and will commit the giving forth and execution of good laws into the power of faithful and just men ordained of god , who will judge for him altogether , and not for man , neither will be perverted by earthly honour and riches , but will regard the cause of the poor , and the afflicted ; and these things we are waiting for , to be brought to pass in their season , and the hand of the lord will accomplish it , if not by you , then even contrary to you . wherefore i am moved in spirit , and in love to you and to this nation , to lay it before you , and to desire it of you ( in whose hands the liberties of this nation yet remaineth ) that you will so prepare and allow the foundation of government in this nation , that the lord may be the chooser of our rulers , to give and to execute righteous laws for us , and that men that fears god and hates covetousness and every evil way , that just men and righteous men , men of truth and uprightness , men of humility and soberness , men that are constant to good principles , and such whom the lord hath blessed with the spirit of sound judgement , and with understanding , who may truly discern of causes and equally judge thereof , men that are for the just freedom of all , and for the general good of all , and men that in all things will seek the glory of the lord , be they rich or poor , high or low in birth or breeding ; yet let such be rulers among us , and judge this nation , that all that do well may have praise and be justified , and all that do evil may be afraid , and punished ; and hereby shall the whole nation be refreshed and comforted with the mercies of the lord , and his name shall be the greatest among us , and truth and righteousness should run down , when justice sits in the throne ; and not men for greatness sake , in titles or birth , or otherwise , chosen in tradition , and not by appointment of god , but men for vertues sake , and not for earthly honour which perisheth , not covetous nor ambitious men , not proud and vain-glorious men , not such as seeks the honour from below , that respects vain titles & flatteries of men , not such as will seek themselves , and be perverted by gifts , not such as are persecutors for a good conscience sake , that are zealous , but not according to knowledge , not wilful and heady men , not unconstant and changeable men , not traitors that have turned for self-advantage , and will change with the times to any way of government for earthly honour , for such will judge for man and not for god , not ignorant men that wants the spirit of sound judgement , nor such as are prophane and without the fear of god ; nor such as these , be they rich or great , let not such be our governours nor judge over us , to make laws and execute them for us in our nation ; let all such men be cast out from among you , and disenabled by certain just restrictions from ever receiving trust or authority over us ; for while such men have been in power and sate in the throne , justice and true judgement have been perverted , and our land hath groaned under oppre●sions , and the inhabitants mourned for very grief of heart , because of the abounding of injustice and cruelty through their rulers ; and the lord hath been vexed with them , while ini●uity hath sate upon the throne , and wilfulness judged the people , and mercy been wanting , and just judgement neglected , and the whole land hath laid desolate because hereof ; and therefore i call unto you on the lords behalf , make way and prepare for righteousness to sit as judge , & that men alone , that fears god , and are ordained of him thereunto , of what profession or birth soever they be , men of truth and justness , that have the spirit of a good understanding , and are called of god , may have authority in our nation , to give laws and execute them for us , such being brought into a capacity by you to be chosen , for to such men appointed of god , and fitted for that end , and truly called of him , being qualified as aforesaid , do we give the authority and power in our nation , to judge and to govern in the things pertaining to this world , and over us as we are members of this nation , and over the outward man , and in the things between man and man , even to be a terrour to such as are without the fear of god , and to punish such by just laws without ; as breaks the law of god within , though to the lord god alone , we give the authority and power over us to rule us and to judge us in that relation , as we are members of his kingdom , and over our inward man , and in the things pertaining to our consciences in all things related to his worship , and service , and faith , and practices in religion . and for as much as in the late dayes of darkness , through the unjust practice of government in the hands of uncalled and ungodly men , the exercise of our consciences hath been violated , by men not ordained of god , who have not known the perfect station , nor cause and end of civil government , nor how to rule and govern over us as men , and over our outward man ( which is onely the end of outward rule and government ) but have assumed unjustly the seat and throne of christ jesus , and have ruled over our consciences , and oppressed our inward man with false judgement imposed upon us , through limitting of us from and compelling of us to such or such a way of worship and religion , even contrary to the spirit of god , taking upon them without any call from god at all , but as vsurpers , to be judges in matters of faith , and doctrines , and worships , which pertains unto the one god , and not unto men ; and unto the spirit of christ we give the exercise of our consciences in our duty to god in all things pertaining to worship and faith towards him , and not unto you nor any man upon the earth ; but i say because the civil magistrate hath judged where he ought not in matters pertaining to god onely , and not to him , and so hath abused his power , and exceeded the measure and line of his authority , hereby have we been wofully oppressed in our consciences , and for the very pure exercise thereof , have we been accounted great offenders and even righteousness hath been punished , as a haynious crime , and the most innocent as great transgressors , even while the civil magistrate hath compelled to , and limmitted from such wayes of worships and practices of religion , and so been as lord over our consciences ; we have been an oppressed people , and killed all the day long , and our oppressions because hereof , hath reached unto heaven , and entred into the ears of the lord , and hath overturned , and confounded powers and authorities , men and lawes , even because of this thing , ( to wit , oppression of good conscience ) which may be to you examples for good , who cannot give his glory to any other , neither the exercise of his peoples consciences ▪ to any , saving his own spirit , that onely leads into all truth in worship and practice ; wherefore it is upon me to lay it before you ( even you as the first asserters of , and contenders for englands liberty ) and whom the lord hath honoured in beginning to remove tyranny and oppression , and reaching after our long lost liberties ) that you will learn wisdom from the god of heaven to be ordered to his glory , and to order others in righteousness , that you may escape the pits and snares that many are fallen into , in such pathes of oppre●sing tender conscience . and particularly that you will leave unto god alone the exercise of peoples consciences in faith and worship ; and clearly devide and distinguish between rule and government over the people of this nation as they are men , and members of the nation , and as members of the kingdom of christ , and worshipers of god in spirit ; and that you will put a difference between the civil government of our nation , in the things pertaining to mens bodies and estates , and their outward carriages as men one towards another and between church government and the things related to the worship and service of god , and in faith and practices of religion towards him , in which relation , we give the government over us to christ as i have said , for he alone is true judge concerning faith and worship and religon , and men are but to judge over men in those things that pertains to this world , and over the outward man ; and therefore i lay it before you that the foundation of government in our nation may be so allowed , confirmed and established by you , as that the civil magistrate may be prescribed by you , the very length and breadth , the heigth and depth of his authority and trust ; and that the exercise and liberty of our consciences in the worship and service of god may not be intrusted with him to judge over us in matters of faith & doctrines & worships , but that he may be wholly excluded , from medling in that case , and from imposing any thing upon our consciences in that relation ; and may not have the power to limit us from , or compell us to any such or such way of worship and religion , church and ministry , but that he may be secluded from judgement over us , in all things pertaining to the kingdom of christ iesus , and that our liberties and exercises in his worship and church and ministry may not be at all intrusted with any man , nor left to the judgement of the civil magistrate ; for christ alone by his good spirit , is supream judge , over our inward man , in all things pertaining to worship , faith , church and ministry . wherefore i call unto , and do advise you on the lords behalf ; let conscience go free , and leave it to the exercise of the spirit of god onely , do not limit the lord , nor prescribe him a way , how he must be believed in and worshipped ; for that belongs unto him and not unto you nor any man ; therefore i demand of you as our perfect right that you suffer the government of our nation to be so established , as that god may have his right ( to wit ) the full government in all things pertaining to his own kingdom ; and the civil magistrate may be secluded from judgement over us , in all things concerning and appertaining to the worship of our god , and faith towards him ; and also that all unrighteous lawes and decrees , yet remaining in the ●and , founded in the dark night of apostacy , and practiced in cruelty , whereby the exercise of good conscience hath been persecuted , and the innocent made as offenders , may be speedily repealed and made void , that henceforth for ever tender conscience may be freed , and the exercise thereof given to god alone , that he may judge and rule in his own kingdom , and just men may rule and judge in the things pertaining to the outward man , and over such as transgresseth the law of god within them , and hereby should blessings and peace , and loving kindness , and tender mercies from the lord spring forth in glory amongst us , and the nation would be refreshed from all its sorrowes , and eased from all its oppressions , and all righteous men would reioyce , and give glory to god , and ages to come , should speak well of you , if that the foundation of government be so setled by you , as that every man may enjoy his right one from another , and be defended therein ; and god the creator of all may possesse his right from all , and be suffered to be the onely exerciser of his people in his worship , that he may have what is due and belongs to him from you and all people , & such a government would be blessed for ever ; and if you fulfill this my advice you may be happy , but if you do not , but wil be oppressors of conscience by unjust laws , then the lord will bring distruction upon you , and overthrow your power ; and liberty will he bring some other way to his chosen heritage , in whom his soul delighteth ; therefore take this my councel , even as you hope to prosper , for this i know from the lord , upon the rejecting or receiving hereof dependeth your standing or your fall , your renown , or perpetual reproach , even your blessing or your curse , and the time is at hand that many shall confesse the lord gave good counsel unto you , by his servant lon. 6. of 8. mon. 1659. edward bvrrovgh . the end . the principles of truth being a declaration of our faith, who are call'd quakers: whereby all that wants peace with god, may return into their first estate, through the operation of the light and power of god in the great work of regeneration. written by e.b. j.c. w.d. h.s. i.p. and a.p. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30537 of text r213104 in the english short title catalog (wing b6018). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 174 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 68 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30537 wing b6018 estc r213104 99825611 99825611 29997 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30537) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 29997) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 1756:2) the principles of truth being a declaration of our faith, who are call'd quakers: whereby all that wants peace with god, may return into their first estate, through the operation of the light and power of god in the great work of regeneration. written by e.b. j.c. w.d. h.s. i.p. and a.p. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 151, [1] p. s.n., [london? : 1660?] by edward burrough, john crook, william dewsbury, and three others, all of whom sign or initial various sections of the book. imprint conjectured by wing. reproduction of the original in the henry e. huntington library and art gallery. eng society of friends -doctrines -early works to 1800. a30537 r213104 (wing b6018). civilwar no the principles of truth: being a declaration of our faith, who are call'd quakers: whereby all that wants peace with god, may return into th [no entry] 1660 35393 137 0 0 0 0 0 39 d the rate of 39 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the d category of texts with between 35 and 100 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-01 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-02 olivia bottum sampled and proofread 2004-02 olivia bottum text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion the principles of truth : being a declaration of our faith who are call'd quakers : whereby all that want peace with god , may return into their first estate , through the operation of the light and power of god in the great work of regeneration . written by e.b. j.c. w.d. h.s. i.p. and a.p. truth's principles : or , those things about doctrine and worship , which are most surely believed and received among the people of god called quakers . many are the reports that are abroad concerning this people , not only as to their practices and deportments ; but also as to other doctrines and beliefs . the former , time having in a great measure resolv'd and worn out , as being the refuge of lyes for the ignorant & unrighteous to flee unto ; but that stormy and wintry appearance is well nigh over and gone , because the sun is so far risen , and the true light so shineth , that most begin to see that those reports were but lyes and scandals , raised as fig leaves to cover the nakedness of other professions , that begun so manifestly to appear , through the light that shined in these peoples lives and conversations . but though the first be gone , yet the later sticks with many , as not knowing what they hold as to doctrine ; some saying , they deny the scripture , and the resurrection of the body , and all ordinances , with the man christ , and his death & sufferings , and imputation of his righteousness , and faith in his blood , &c. wherefore for the satisfaction of all that would willingly be resolv'd , and know the truth , as it is in jesus , i have written this short account of their faith & belief ; and , if it were possible , to stop the mouthes of the clamorous tongues , before the sentence be given against them by some signal stroke of the lord from heaven , which he will undoubtedly in his appointed time reveal and make manifest , to the trembling of all hearts concerned therein , and tinglong of all ears that shall hear thereof , when it shall be said to them , the holy shall be holy still ; and he that is filthy , let him be filthy still , rev. 22. 11. we believe , that the god of all grace has given a measure of grace , or some manifestation of his spirit and light thereof unto all men , according unto these scriptures , jo. 1. 9. tit. 2. 11. 1 cor. 12. 7. neh. 9. 20. and experiences of all men , who at some time or other ) do feel something in their hearts and consciences , that doth lust against the flesh , and the flesh against it , and that these two are contrary the one to the other ; one lasting after evil , which is evil ; and the other after good , which is good ; the one carnal , the other spiritual ; the one from earth , the other from heaven , gal. 5. 16 , 17. we believe , by this gift , grace and inspiration of the almighty , man only can come to know the true god truly , what he is , & how he works in the hearts and consciences of people , to regnerate them , and make them bear his image , according to 1 cor. 3. 19 , 20. 21. luke 10. 21. and experiences of all that ever were regenerated and born again . we believe , that all the errors and mistakes about god , and the things relating to his kingdom , sprang and arose from men's wandring from this gift of god , into their own imaginations ; whereby , though they thought themselves wise , yet they became fools , & err'd , their foolish hearts being darkned , according to rom. 1. 21. not knowing the scriptures , nor the power of god , as it is written mat. 22. 29. we believe and know , that this gift and grace of god appears in and unto all men that all may be without excuse , accusing for the evil , and excusing for the good , according to rom. 2. 15 , 16. shewing unto man what is good , and reproving of him in his own conscience for the evil , whether thoughts , words or deeds ; and that this reproof of instruction is the way of life , prov. 6. 23. we believe , that as the true god and eternal life is known only by the light of this gift and grace , according unto the scriptures , from which light and spirit of god came the scriptures , both from the old & new testament , as it is written , 2 pet. 1. 21. so can they only be read as truly to be believ'd , fulfill'd and practised in the light and power of the same ; & all that are out of this spirit must needs be ignorant and unlearn'd in the apostle's sense , who wrest the scriptures to their own destruction , as it is written : for peter and john were unlearn'd men outwardly , not knowing letters ; but inwardly read in the knowledge of this light and spirit of god , and wrest●…d not the scriptures , acts 4. 13. 2 pet. 3. 16. we believe , according to the scripture , 2 cor. 4. 3. that wheresoever the power of god is not known within , there the gospel is hid , and unknown , unto them that are lost , in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them that believe not , lest the light of the glorious gospel of christ , who is the image of god , should shine unto them , and god should heal them ; because it is only by the light of christ , the power of god , that the creature comes truly to see himself in his lost and undone estate ; from which sight ariseth the true sence in the heart of the creature , that makes him cry out of his wretchedness , by reason of the body of sin and death , which necessitates him to look out for a saviour , whom god manifests in and by the same light , that shines in the heart , on purpose , to give the sight of the knowledge of the glory of god in the face of jesus christ , god's image , whereby god heals the soul ; and therefore doth the devil , the god of the world , strive so much by the gift of the pleasures , profits , vanities and lusts that are in the world , which he presents to men and women now , as he did to christ in the days of his flesh , when he shewed to him all the world , with its glory ; which glory is , the lust of the flesh , the lust of the eye and the pride of the life ; whatever may make this life happy ( as it were ) in the things that may pride it , or lift it up to sit as a queen . and as man and woman take and receive the gifts from the god of this world , their minds are blinded , because they believe not in the light , which shews thee the vanities of all the gifts of the god of this world ; which gifts , the devil knows ( if they be received ) will so blind the minds of them that receive them , that they will not come to be sensible , in the true light , of their lost conditions , so as to cry unto god from the deep & true sence●… for then , god , out of the depths of his love and mercy , could not but heal them : and therefore , lest the true light should shine into them , to give them the sensible knowledge of themselves , and god should heal them , the devil ( as god of the world , by the things of the world ) endeavours to blind the mind ( not the brain-knowledge , but the heart f●…eling sence within , in the mind ) lest the light within should so shine as god should heal them ; & all the buslings of satan with his gifts , are but to blind the mind within , lest god should heal the soul , that complains to him from the true sight and sence of his misery , as in himself . by this grace and gift within , we believe , that to us ( though in the world there be lords many & gods many ) there is but one god , the father of our lord jesus christ , witnessed within man , only by the spirit of truth , that manifests both the father and the son ; and yet these three are one , and agree in one ; and he that honours the father , honours the son , that proceeds from him ; and he that denies the spirit , denies both the father and the son , and is antichrist ; but he that believes in the spirit , and is led by it , is the son of god , rom. 8. 14. as many as are the sons of god , are led by the spirit of god . we believe , the scriptures bear witness unto , and testifie of christ ; but they say , the witness of god is greater then them ; the spirit it self bearing witness with our spirits , that we are the sons of god : for it is not the scriptures without the spirit , nor the spirit contrary to the scriptures , but the spirit 's discovering the will of god in the heart o●… opening of the scrlp●…ures in its own time and way , and not in or by the will of man , but as it self pleaseth , who searcheth all , even the deep things of god , and manifests them unto the soul , which gives the perfect sound and saving knowledge ; for , said christ , the spirit shall take of mine , & shew them unto you . and as holy men gave forth the scriptures , 2 pet. 1. 21. so holy men , and they only , come truly to understand them ; and not proud and ungodly men , because their hearts and lives do not answer the hearts & lives of those that gave them forth , as face answers face in a glass : and this we believe to be the reason , why so long preaching ( by men of corrupt minds , who have and do handle the word deceitfully for selfish ends , and filthy lucre sake ) hath brought forth so little fruit , and been to so little purpose , except to their purses and bellies ; for , had they believed , and therefore spoaken , and stood in god's counsel , they should have profited their hearers , jer. 23. 21 , 22 , 23 , to the end . through this gift we believe , that christ jesus ( the son of god ) was manifest in the flesh in the fulness of time : and this we know , by the same spirit by which our fathers believed he should come , and abraham saw his day , by the same we do believe he is come , and do see his day ; as also by the prophet and apostles writing , which two-fold cord is not easily broken . we believe also according to the scriptures of truth , that this same jesus hath god highly exalted , and given him a name above every name , that whosoever believes in him shall not perish , but have everlasting life ; and that there is not another name , whereby any can be saved , than this name of jesus christ : nor is remission of sins to be preached by any other name : but as we do not believe , that the outward letters and syllables are that name that is to be bowed to by the outward knee , no more then the letters or syllables in the words god or spirit , seeing the scripture faith , unto god , who is a spirit , every knee shall bow , isa. 45. 93. but the name which saves , is the power and arm of god , that brings salvation from sin , and makes every soul that names it , to depart from iniquity : this is that name which was preached , and which is preached through faith , in which name remission of sin is obtained : therefore was the outward word jesus given him , as his outward name ; thou shalt call his name jesus ; for he shall save his people from their sins [ mark ] for he shall save , &c. so that which saves , is the name , which is to be believed in , which is that arm of god that brings salvation , when no eye pities , neither is there any help : the power of god that then saves , is that grace that comes from the fulness of christ , the saviour : and without this virtue , christ and jesus are but empty names , 1 cor. 12. 3. no man can say , that jesus is the lord , but by the holy ghost . we believe also , that this jesus dyed for or because of sin , and rose again for the justification of those that believe in him , as well as to manifest to all the world , that he was the son of god , and that he thereby spoiled principalities and power , and triumphed over them openly , and led captivity captive in his own person ; yet we believe and know , by his grace in our hearts , that as his name jesus , without virtue and power , is but an empty word ; so his dying , without man's conformity to his death , or being planted into the likeness thereof , or being crucified with christ ( as saith the scripture , rom. 6. 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6. gal. 2. 20. ) will not profit man as to the salvation of his soul , no more then the naming of his outward name [ jesus ] doth at this day make people to depart from iniquity : for we believe , and are ●…ure , that man must dye inwardly , as well as christ dy'd outwardly , and must be put to death in his flesh , as christ was in his ; for he that is in the flesh cannot please god , rom. 8. 8. neither ceaese fro●… sin ; but he that is dead , is freed from sin , rom. 6. 7. and yet man 's dying unto sin , and the root and principle of it in himself , is so far from making void christ's death in his own person , that it establisheth it to all those ends and purposes for which it was intended of the father . as the cures which the physitian doth , manifest and establish his skill and ability , so doth man's dying unto sin , and self , and living unto god , manifest and establish the virtue and power of christ's death : for as man manifests his being risen with christ , by his seeking the things that are above , col. 3. 1 , 2. so doth he manifest his knowledge of the death of christ , by his being crucified with christ , and bearing about in his body the dying of the lord jesus : for , as it is not an outward belief , gather'd from the letter , that will change the heart and life ( though the judgment and opinion it may ) so it is not a belief from the history , or letter only , that can give man a saving knowledge of the death of christ ; but he must have the same glory and power of the father in measure , working in him there , to beget faith in his heart , tha●… he may believe unto salvation from his own filthiness and righteous●…ess , as well as confess with his mouth , rom. 10. and must have that spirit in him , quickning his mortal body , as well as to believe , that it was in christ , and raised up him from the dead , rom. 8. 11. and this man , whoever he be , bound or f●…ee , that thus believes the death of christ , and it●… satisfaction to god , as well as its usefulness to man , cannot make it void , nor divide it and its virtue upon the soul that thus knows it ; but will say , here is a dying man , witnessing the death of christ , and nevertheless the same man living with christ ; and concluding , if christ had not dyed , man must have perished in his sin : this being the way found out by god to recover him , whereby he knows christ , and him crucified , and what the preaching of the cross of christ is , which is foolishness to them that perish , but to them that are saved , the wisdom of god and the power of god , 1 cor. 1. 81. by this gift of god in our hearts , we further believe , that christ jesus rose again fro●… the dead , according to the scriptures , and sits at god's right hand in a glorious body . and we believe , that our low estates and humble bodies shall be made like unto his glorious body , through the working of his mighty power , whereby he is able to subdue all things unto himself , and that this mortality shall put on immortality . for though we believe that christ jesus hath lighted every man with his light , whereby man may come to know himself lost and undone , as before is said ; yet therefore is not every man saved , though the grace that appears to all men is sufficient in it self ; but some have the grace of god bestowed upon them in vain , not likeing to retain god in their knowledge , though something within them shews them what is good : but they reject the counsel of god within , or against themselves to their own destruction , luke . 7. 30. ( see the mergant ) and yet it doth not follow , that the grace is insufficient of it self , no more then it follows , that christ's death is insufficient , because he tasted death for every man , and yet every man is not saved . neither doth regeneration , or the believing in the light of christ within , make void the death and sufferings of christ without at jerusalem , no more then believing the scripture testimony without , concerning christ's death , makes void the work of regenertaion and mortification within ; but as the apostle saith in another case , so i say in this , for as the man is not without the woman , neither is the woman without the man in the lord ; even so is not the death & sufferings of christ without at jerusalem , to be made void and of none effect by any thing within , neither doth the light within make that of none effect without , but both in the lord answers his will : for , though there is and may be a knowledge and belief of what christ did and suffered without the gates , in his own body , upon the tree , and yet sin alive in the heart , and the work of regeneration not known ; yet it can't be so where the light within is believed on and obeyed , so as to have its perfect work in the heart , to regenerate and make all things new , and to be of god , this man can never make void what christ hath done and suffered without : and yet this new birth , or christ formed within , and dwelling in the heart by faith , doth not limit or confine christ to be only within , and not without also ; but both within and without , according to the good pleasure of the father to reveal and make him known ; for , he fills all things , and the heaven of heavens cannot contain him ; and yet is he at god's right hand , far above all heavens , in a glorious body . and we also believe the resurrection of the just & unjust ; the one to salvation , and the other to condemnation , according unto the judgment of the great day , and then shall every seed have its own body , according to 1 cor. 15. 36 , 37. which we verily believe ; for if the dead rise not , we are of all men most miserable : but because we dare not be so foolishly inquisitive as to say , with what bodies shall they arise ? therefore do some say , we deny both the resurrection of the body of christ , and of all that are or shall be dead : but this also is false ; for every man shall be raised in his own order ; but christ the first fruits , 1 cor. 15. 23. and we believe they shall be raised with the same bodies , so far as a natural & spiritual , corruptible and incorruptible , terrestrial and celestial can be the same . we further believe ( according unto the s●…riptures ) concerning faith , that this faith is only true which is god's gift , and has christ jesus ( the power of god ) for its author and object ; and is distinguished from the dead faith by its fruits : for though in description and definition they may carry a resemblance , yet in nature are as different as a living man is from a dead , which wants not form or shape , but life & power : so saith the apostle james , as the body without a spirit is dead , so is faith without works ; even so is that faith which stands in the wisdom of words , and not in the power of god ; by the one , man is kept in captivity to the world , and the things of it ; but by the other , he hath victory over the world , 1 joh. 5 4. and the seal and witness thereof in his own heart , whereby it is purified , and god is seen ; for the pure in heart see god , mat. 5. 8. this faith differs men now , and their worships , as it did cain and abel ; for , by faith abel offered up a more excellent sacrifice then cain , hebr. 11. by this living faith abel saw beyond the sacrifice , unto christ ( the first born of god ) beyond the firstling of the flock , which he offered , and therefore god had respect unto ab●…l and his offering , but god rejected cain and his offering ; though he had faith to believe it to be his duty ; yet sticking in the form , and not flying on the wing of faith unto christ ( the one offering ) he missed the mark , as all have done ever since , that have gone in cain's way of worshipping , as well as killing men about worship . but we believe , that faith to be only true and saving , that flyes over self righteousness , as well as filthiness , unto the fountain of life in christ ; which faith hath nothing of man in it , but is as the breath of life , by which the soul lives ; nor a bare assent of the truth of a proposition in ●…he natural understanding ; but the soul's cleaving unto god out of a naturalness between christ and the soul , and so live rather by relation , then bare cerdit , or desperate adventure and hazard ; not looking at its doing to commend it , but god's love and bounty in christ , the light , to receive it ; and yet holiness is its delight , & he can no more live out of it , then the fish upon the dry land . we believe , that this faith keeps the ●…ind pure and the heart clean , through the sprinkling of the heart from an evil conscience by the blood of jesus , which remits the sin , and justisies the soul , through the virtue of this blood , received into the heart by this living faith , which receives all its power and virtue from christ , in whom it abides , as its root and object , whereby justification is witnessed from sin , not in sin , rom. 6. 22. but now being made free from sin , and become servants unto god , you have your fruit unto holiness , and the end everlasting life . we believe , that justification and sanctification are distinguished , but not divided ; for as he that sanctifieth and justifieth is one , so do these go together ; and when the son hath the grea●…t sence of justification upon it , through the vertue of the blood of jesus by the living faith , then is it most in love with holiness , and at the gratest distance from sin and evil : and whenever there is a failing in sanctification , there is also some ●…elipse of justification in the eye of the soul , until faith hath received its strength again , which it lost by sin 's prevailing : for , as the farthest & clear'st sight is in the brightest day ; so is it with the soul , when it is most in the brightness and beauty of holiness , its justification appears most glorious , and its union and communion most sweet and lasting ; and so like two twins , as they are much of an age , so they are like one to the other : and what god hath joyn'd together , let no ma●… put asunder . we also by this light believe , that acceptance with the father is only in christ , & by his righteousness made ours , or imputed unto us ; not by the creaturely skill , but by the applicatory act of god's gift of grace , whereby the soul feels the difference between self-applying by its own faith , and god appling by his spirit , and so making christ unto the soul wisdom , righteousness , sanctification and redemption : so that we b●…lieve , and are sure , that there is a great difference between imputa●…on , as it is the act of man's spirit , & as it is the act of free grace , without man's forcing . and so we distinguish between imagination and imputation , between reckoning or imputing that is real , and reckoning or imputation that is not real , but a fiction and imagination in the creaturely will and power : and because we are against the latter , we are clamoured upon , as if we deny'd the imputation of christ's righteousness , when it is only unto those who are not made righteous by it , to walk as he also walked : for , as the scripture saith it is not he that saith he is righteous by the imputation of christ's righteousness ; but he that d●…th right●…ousness , is righteous , even as christ is righteous , 1 joh. 3. 7. he that believes otherwise , is deceived . and yet it is not acts of righteousness , as done by us , nor as inherent in us , as acts by which we are accepted of god , and justified before him , but by christ , the author and worker of those acts in us and for us ; whereby we know that we are in him , and he in us , and we hold him as our head , unto whom all things are gathered together in one , even in him . we further believe , that god is only to be worshipped , and not any likeness that man makes unto himself of god , from any view , sight and knowledge that he hath had of him ; but in every act and service man is to know what substantially , as well as whom speculatively or notionally he wopships ; as it is written ; john 4. 22. ye worship ye know not what ; we know what we worship ; for salvation is of the jews . and he that thus worships the father , honours the son by the same spirit , which is one with the father and the son ; in which spirit only god is worshipped , according to the form of its own chufing and manifesting of himself in and by , according unto the good pleasure of the father , who is a spirit , and limits man unto the spirit's form , but allows not man to limit the spirit unto his form , though it be not of his inventing originally , but of the father : yet man must no more limit god unto it , then he could command god to appear in it at first : for as he chose it himself , so he hath reserved liberty to leave it at his pleasure ; who works all things after the counsel of his own will , which be hath purposed in himself , that the gift of the knowledge of the mystery of his will might forever be acknowledged to be of his grace , and for the riches of the glory thereof , according to ephes. 1. and man be bound , but god free : man bound to wait in the light for god's movings ; but god free to move in whom , to what , and when he pleaseth : then man is to go , when he saith , go ; and come , when he saith , come ; and such servants do serve him : and then there is no more curse , as in the days of will worship , and voluntary humility , but the throne of god and of the lamb , col. 2. 18 , 23. rev. 22. 3 , 4. and they shall see his face , and his name shall be on their foreheads . we believe also , that this worship is spiritual ( and not carnal ) in all its parts and ordinances , and not to be imposed by any outward force , but performed by the inward leading of god's holy spirit , according as the holy men of god were led and guided in the days past , who gave forth the scriptures ; all impsitions of worship outward being only enjoyn'd under the first , covenant , that made nothing perfect , until the time of reformation , spoken of , hebr 9 10. but christ being come , there is an end as well of such imp●…sitions , as of the meats and drinks , and divers baptisms , and carnal ordinances , they being all but temporary , and in order unto an end ; but all to vail to christ , the sum and substance of all , [ the first ] pointed at by all , and [ the last ] ending of all , the amen . and he that thus worships god in christ , his ordinances are spiritual and not carnal ; and his faith carries him beyond his works , with righteous abel , and preserves him , that he is not drowned in the form , like cain ; neither falls he short of the glory of god , nor of his assurance of acceptance with him . we believe , there is one baptism necessary to salvation , ephs. 4. 5. one lord , one faith , one baptism . and this baptism is spiritual , of which john's water was but a figure , john 1. 31. that he should be made manifest to israel , therefore am i come , baptizing with water , saith john : and 1 pet. 3. 21. the like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us : not the pu●…ting away the filth of the flesh , but the answer of a good conscience towards god , by the r●…surrection of jesus christ . this one spiritual baptism into the name of jesus christ is that which saves , the water being but a figure , that christ might be manifest to israel , who had divers baptisms imposed on them until the time of reformation ; but christ the substance being come , the shadows flee away . and yet where-ever any are commanded now by the same spirit , that commanded the believers to be baptized in the days past , either for the furtherance of the gospel , or tryal of their faith , we judge them not . but this obedience is very rare to be found ; and we could heartily desire , that all would consider seriously , whether literal sayings , observed only by outward reading , hearing by the ●…ar , or inward impluses upon the heart by the divine power , are the motives unto obedience in this kind . and if honesty and uprightness of heart may be heard , we believe and know the many dead souls every where , notwithstanding their baptisms , will be as so many witnesses against them , by their groveling upon the earth , as so many slain and killed men by the letter , while the spirit's quicknings , have not been known in the true baptism into death . for we find by daily experiences , that most men and women live like pharaoh's lean kine , only to eat up the fat , and to envy those that are not so lean-soul'd as themselves . we believe also , that as there is one true saving baptism , so there is one bread , or body of christ , which all the saints do feed upon ; and though they be many , as to persons , yet their bread is but one and they all in it but one bread : and this we believe is the flesh that came down from heaven , john 6. 33. though the outward jews now as then , murmur at him , because he said , i am the bread which came down from heaven , ver. 41 , 42. but christ , ( ver. 45. ) to stop their murmuring tells them , that the knowledge of this mystery was only revealed unto them whom god ( and not man ) teacheth , and no more then are taught of god , can set seal and subscribe unto this truth in jesus ; though we believe also , that jesus took outward bread , and break it , and gave it to the d●…sciples , as the scripture saith ; and this was a figure of his body ( that was to be pierced and broken upon the tree ) and a shew , to shew forth his death until he came . and we believe , he did arise again and appear unto his disciples ; and all that believed were together , and had [ all things common ] &c. and they continued daily with one accord in the temple , breaking bread from house to house , did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart , praising god , and having favour with all the people , acts 2. 44 , 45 , 46 , 47. and we believe that the apostle , in 1 cor. 11. 20. said true , where he said , when ye come together therefore in one place , this is not to eat the lords supper . and all that he speaks in that chap●…er is not to perpetuate that outward breaking of bread , otherwise then as the belivers did , that were filled with the holy ghost in singleness of heart , as before is said : and yet we judge not those who break outward bread and drink outward wine , being commanded so to do , and put in remembrance thereby of the body and blood of jesus christ , by the remember ancer , the spirit of truth , which is appointed by the father to lead into all truth . but to do it by imitation , or tradition only ( as most do it , if not all at this day ) we know it is not an offering unto god in righteousness , neither do we believe this to be the communion of the body and blood of christ ; and yet the eating of the flesh , and drinking of the blood of christ , we believe man must know and witness , or he hath no life in him , joh. 6. 53 , 54 , 55. and we believe , that many are striving now in their spirits , as the jews did , verse 52. saying , how can this man give us his flesh to eat ? and not only the jews , but many of his disciples said , this is a hard saying , who can hear it ? vers. 60. and in vers. 63. he tells them , it is the spirit that quickeneth , the flesh profiteth nothing . th●… words that i speak unto you , they are spirit , and they are life . and he that hears and understands these words that are spirit and life , will not be offended at what i have spoken of the flesh and blood of christ . by the same spirit and grace we believe , that prayer is an ordinance of god , when performed by his spirit , in its words ( and not those which man's wisdom teacheth ) or without words , by sighs and groans which cannot b●… uttered , and these so often as the spirit it self pleaseth : but the form without the spirit , whether it be by words of other mens framing , or words of man's own spirit , according to his will , time and manner ; this is not the prayer that prevails with god . and we believe that there is none so weak and infirm , but this spirit proffers his help at some time or other , though man regardeth it not . and the more man's mind is gathered within from all visibles , the more he comes to be sensible of the movings and stirring , of this spirit , in its secret cryes unto god , answerable to the wants of that man or woman , in whom it moves and cryes . and by the due watching thereunto , we believe and know the spirit of prayer and of adoption , that cries unto god , comes to be discerned and distinguished from a man 's own spirit and will . we believe by the same gift of grace , that there are several minstrations , and several operations , according to 1 c●…r . 12. and all by the same spirit , as before and after the law by moses , and after by john the baptist , and christ and his apostles , and in all these the ministration had acceptance with god through the mannagment of the spirit , and its rejection and dislike of god for the want thereof . and by this spirit were the scriptures given forth , and the holy men of god did speak , prophesie , preach and pray as they were moved ; and for want of it the letter did and doth kill . and for the further appearance and pouring out of this spirit , answerable unto the work & service that god had for them to do , they we●…e to wait , as christ commanded his 〈◊〉 to do at jerusalem , to receive the promise of the father : for by this spirit he that speaks , speaks as the oracle of god . and therefore , as it was the practice of the people of god in old time , to wait for the moving and stirring of this spirit , that they might speak 〈◊〉 it gave them utterance ▪ in the evidence and demonstration thereof ; so do this people ( called quakers ) now ; and according to its moving in their hearts they minister , according to the signification of the spirit , whereby they understand both what , and when to speak , and when to be silent ; as also , who are they that minister and speak in their own wills above the cross of christ , which the apostle was careful always to be in subjection to , lest he should make it void , by speaking the words which man's wisdom teacheth ; and therefore as the saints did , so we do believe , and therefore we speak : and such preaching and speaking in faith , as well as praying in faith , is acceptable unto god , as his worship , and not otherwise . and we further believe by the same spirit , that the sum of all religion , according to the truth and signification of the word [ religion ] is , man not at liberty in his will , but bound again unto god , by his having given to him , by the light of christ within , the true sight and knowledge of himself , as in himself , as lost and undone forever , and from this sight a true sense to arise upon and remain with him ; from whence spring unutterable groans and cryes unto god , under the weight of the burthen and wretchedness , by reason of the body of sin and death , and then when there was none to help or pitty in this state , then is mercy shewed in christ the arm of god , which is revealed as an help , neither seen nor known , where , how , or when to come at it , or meet with it ; and this begets in the heart of that man or woman , in and unto whom it is thus revealed , thanks and praises unto god , for this gift and revelation of his son , in this needful time , whom the soul sees to be the gist of eternal love . and we believe and know , upon this love and faithfulness of god , is founded , built and established the everlasting covenant , ( whereby not only all men may be saved for its ability , but some shall be saved because for its prevalency ) which is not like to the covenant h●… made with our fathers . and although all mankind is not saved , yet it is not because either of in sufficiency in this covenant , or because of the weakness of the grace that appears in , and unto all men ; but because of mans will loving death , and chusing his own delusions , whereby his destruction is of himself , and god clear of his blood in the free tender of his grace , gift and striving of the spirit within him . for we know assuredly , according to the scriptures of truth , and experience of all souls that ever were truly converted to god , that though by grace man is saved , not of himself , but by the free gift , yet as the old world did , and those rebellious jews , spoken of , acts 7. who as did their fathers , so did they , always resist the holy ghost ; so do men now . and yet in the tender of this grace , and striving of his spirit , the lord is a god so hiding himself in the mannagement of this striving and ministration of his spirit , as if it wholly depended upon mans choice and consenting , that mans will , as to him is ( as it were ) free in rejecting or accepting , life and death being set before him ; whereby in the wisdom of god , the propensity of his name , as it came out of the hands of his maker , hath an advantage by this dealing of god , to put forth it self ; so that man is as free in the choice , as he is in the refusal of the tender of mercy and help , and that with an equal indifferency , as it appears to him in this state ; notwithstanding afterwards , in the further growth in this grace and knowledge of christ , he sees clearly and convincingly , that the grace ( that wrought hiddenly from his sight and knowledge , in the first working , tender and ministration of god towards him ) gained his consent through its own prevalency in the love of god , by which sight and sence self comes to be abhorred , and the free love so admired , that he knows from first to last , all was of grace , and that free ; that self is not able to challenge any thing as due from what it had done , but all of gift : and yet as before , with such an equal indifferency on mans account : so that god may and will appear to be just , both in condemning and saving ; and the justifier freely of all that believe in jesus , the light of the world . therefore , let all take heed how they dislike this ministration of god , and striving of his spirit in their hearts & consciences , under colour and pretence of its in sufficiency ; and therefore they will not come to him , because his drivings and strivings are not so strong as they would have them to be , looking for such an overpowering and irresistibleness , as they are not able to withstand and gainsay ; left such perish through a willful neglect ; and for want of stretching out their hand when the lord holds out his , and so they perish in the ditch , with a vain expectation of further power ; or cry in their mouthes , lord have mercy upon us ! and so with the sluggard , while they cry , yet a little more slumber and folding of the hands to sleep , their garden is over-grown with weeds , and their backs cloathed with rags , and they beg in harvest ; whilst others that have sown in tears , not fainting , do in due time reap in joy ; and not despising the crums that fell from the table , nor the day of small things , witness the presence of their beloved , come down into his garden , and walking among the li●…ies . let these thing be truly considered , pondered and weighed in the true ballance of light and righteousness , lest any soul perish through the false weight and measure ; so shall my soul rejoyce that any have escaped the net of the fowler , through the discovery of the true light ; and god have all the glory , unto whom alone it belongs , and man ashamed , confounded , his ●…th stopped , and he laid in the dust forever ; and then shall my end be answered in writting these things . john crook . concerning perswasions in matters of religion . there is the natural man , and the spiritual man , and there are the perswasions of each in and about matter of religion . there is the perswasion of reason and the perswasion of faith . the perswasion of reason is that belief which man receives into his mind or heart from the exercise of the reasoning faculty : & this perswasion in maters of religion is but mans opinion or judgment , which how certain or infallible soever it appears to him , yet may be shaken by a demonstration or evidence of a higher kind of nature the perswasion of faith , is that belief which the new creature receives into the renewing mind , from the evidence and demonstration of the spirit , which openeth and manifesteth the things of the spirit , unto that mind which is begotten and renewed by it . and this perswasion is certain and infallible , however it may be struck at , and battered by the reasonings of the wise earthly part , even in that very man , whose heart is thus perswaded , by the light of the spirit of god , concerning the things of gods kingdom . now the lowest perswasion of faith is higher and of a more noble nature then the highest perswasion of reason , because faith is of an higher principle , and of a deeper nature and ground , then mans reason is : but this ( because it appears not in mans sphear , but rather out of it , and is contrary to the line and reach of his wisdom ) is accounted by him foolishness and madness . this is the wi●…dom of god ( and the children thereof ) judged and condemned by man in his day . and how can it be otherwise ? how can the wisdom of men but judge that as foolishness , whose beauty and excellency is hid from its eye ? but this is , because the wisdom of man is out of its place , not subjected to the wisdom of god , but exalted above it : therefore ( as a curse unto it ) is it suffered to lift up it self in its conceitfulness against , and so to persecute the pure wisdom of god and the birth thereof , that it might fall , and be broken , and snared , and taken , and its day deservedly come to an end , and be shut up in the shadows and chambers of eternal darkness . but what ear of man can hear this ? surely none that is whole in the line of man's wisdom , reason and understanding , but that alone which is bruised , broken , and in some measure dashed to pieces , by the inroads of a divine life and nature . this , i●… the leading of that life which hath broken it , and in the shinings of the light eternal upon it and into it may be enabled to take up the cross to the natural part , and to die that death with christ , which preserves from the second death , with the misery thereof . happy is he who knows and hearkens to the perswasions of god's spirit , who is born of god , and taught to wait upon him and worship him in spirit , who receives his religion from the lig●… of faith , into the renewed nature and mind , and not from the reason of man into the natural understanding , which is easily corrupted and cannot be kept pure , but alone by the indwelling of the principle of eternal life in it . for though such may suffer very deeply in this world , from the men of this world , ( as the subjects and servants to the principle of life have done in all ages and generations ) yet their principle will bear them out , in which god will appear to strengthen and refresh their spirits , and carry them up above all their sufferings in the patience , meekness , and faith of the lamb ; and keeping to their principle , they cannot be overcome , but must either live or die conquerors , according to the will and good pleasure of him who ordereth and disposeth of all things well , and bringeth good out of every evil , in despite of all the powers of darkness . and he that overcometh ( whether by life or death ) in the lamb's spirit , shall wear the lambs crown , & sit down in that perfect rest in the kingdom of the father , which will give the hearts of all his children full satisfaction . in which assured hope ( life stirring in our bosoms , and quickning our hearts with love unto our god , and zeal for his truth ) we can freely give up all that is near and dear unto us in this world , and lay down our heads in inward peace ●…n the midst of the greatest outward persecution and trouble . even so , o lord , thy will be done concerning this generation of thy people , whom thou hast begotten to thy self , and brought forth by thy mighty power , to testifie to thy truth in this present day : dispose of them as it pleaseth thee , and let not their faith in thee , nor thy faithfulness to them fail , but let them be a praise to thy name throughout all generations , and tendered by thee as the first fruits of thine appearance , in the glorious light of the everlasting day , after this great , long , thick and dark night of apostacy from the life and spirit of the apostles , hath so long ecclipsed and covered the brightness of thy beauty from the fight of the earth . isaac pennington . a declaration to all the world of our faith , and what we believe , who are called quakers . also , what ministers and magistrates we own , and what , and whom we deny . concerning god , christ . and the spirit . first , that there is only one true god , who is a spirit , and his presence filleth heaven and earth ; he is eternal and everlasting , the creator & preserver of all things ; that heaven and earth , and all things therein by him were framed and brought forth , and all things remain unto this day by his power , and whatsoeve●… he willeth in heaven and earth , he brings to pass by his word and power . and we believe , that this god only is , and ought to be feared , loved , obeyed and worshipped by all creatures , and no other thing besides him in heaven and earth : and we believe , that his worship , and obedience , and care , and love is to be given in spirit , even i●… what his own spirit moveth and leadeth his people unto . and we believe , his true worship required and accepted of him , is not by the tradition of men in outward observances , or set days , or places , but he is worshipped only in spirit and truth , without respect of times , places or things : and that none can worship him in righteousness but his children , who are born of his spirit , and are led and guided thereby . and we believe , that this god hath given his son christ jesus , into the world , a free gift unto the whole world , and that every man that cometh into the world is lighted by him , that every man may believe and be saved . and we believe , that he is given into the world , and no nation , country or people excepted , but to all mankind he is given of god , and hath enlightened them ; and every man through the world that believeth in , and receiveth christ , who is the wisdom and power of the father , shall be saved with eternal salvation ; and every one that believes not in him shall be damned , and shall possess everlasting misery . and we believe . that salvation , justification , and sanctification is only in him , wrought by him , and no other ; for there is no other name given under heaven , but him alone , by which salvation is : and we believe , all that receive him , and believe in him are reconciled to god , and are made alive to god , to live to him in all things , and do receive the forgiveness of sins , and are set free from all unrighteousness , and from the body of sin and death , and have the witness of the spirit in them , and the spirit of the father they have received , and it witnesseth in them of the father and of the son , and of the things that belong to their peace ; and it is the earnest of the inheritance , and the seal of the promise of eternal life ; and by it are the deep things of god revealed to mankind ; and by it the father and the son dwell in the saints ; and by it they have fellowship one with another , and the father , son and spirit are one : and this we faithfully believe . again , concerning christ , we believe , tha●… he is one with the father , and was with the father before the world was ; and what the father worketh , is by the son , for he is the arm of gods salvation , and the very power and wisdom of the creator ; and was , is , and , is to come ; without beginning or end . and we believe , that all the prophets gave testimony of him , and that he was made manifest in judea and jerusalem , and did the work of the father , and was persecuted of the jews , and was crucified by his enemies , and that he was buried , and rose again according to the scriptures . and we believe , he is now ascended on high & exalted at the right hand of the father for ev●… ; and that he is glo●…ified with the same glo●…y that he had before the world was , and that even the same that came down from heaven , is ascended up to heaven ; and the same that descended , is he that ascended . and we believe , even he that was dead , is alive , and lives for evermore ; and that he cometh , and shall come again to judge the whole world with righteousness , and all people with equity , and shall give to every man according to his deeds at the day of judgment , when all shall arise to condemnation or justification ; he that hath done good shall receive life , and he that hath done evil , everlasting condemnation . and we believe , he is to be waited for in spirit , to be known after the spirit , as he was before the world was , and that is the knowledge unto eternal life , which all that believe in him do receive ; & he subdues death & destroys him that hath the power of it , & restoreth from death to life , and quickeneth by his spirit all that the father hath given him ; and we believe such he justifieth and sanctifi●…th , and such are taught of him ; but he condemns all that believe not and continue in unbelief , and are not taught of him : and this we faithfully believe . and we believe , that unto all people upon the face of the whole earth , is a time and day of visitation given , that they may return and be saved by jesus christ , who is given of the father to call the worst of men to repentance ; and the most ungodly of sinners are convinced by him of their ungodly deeds , that they may believe , and be converted and saved . and we believe , herein is the love of god manifested to all mankind ; and that none wert shut out by him before they were born into the world ; but unto all men is a visitation given and they that perish , it is because they do not believe in christ ; and destruction is of a mans self , but salvation is of god , through believing in his son , who takes away sin and reneweth into his ownimage , that they may become heirs with him . and we believe , that there is a crown of eternal glory , and an inheritance of eternal life to be enjoy'd for evermore , by all that believe & are chosen of god ; and that there is an everlasting misery and destruction to be possessed by all that believe not , but continue in the state of reprobation , and are not changed from the ways of sin and death , but walk after the ways of their own hearts lusts , fulfilling the will of the flesh , in the evil of this world , and follow not christ the light of the world , that they may be saved ; and we believe , upon all such the wrath of god abides , and that they have no part in the inheritance of god . and we believe , that it is only he that is born again of the spirit , and that walks after the spirit , who is changed from death unto life , and who is redeemed out of the world and all its ways ; such only must inherit the kingdom of god , and they only have right thereunto , and none besides ; even they that are washed and cleans'd from all unrighteousness by the blood of jesus , by which their sins are remitted ; for his blood cleanseth them from all unrighteousness and sin ; yea , all such that walk and abide in the light , which jesus christ hath enlightned the world withal . and we believe , that the saints upon earth may receive forgiveness of sins , and may be perfectly freed from the body of sin & death , and in christ may be perfect and without sin and may have victory over all temptations by faith in jesus christ . and we believe , every saint that is call'd of god ought to press after perfection , and to overcome the devil and all his temptations upon earth ; and we believe , they that faithfully wait for it , shall obtain it , and shall be presented without sin in the image of the father ; and such walk not after the flesh , but after the spirit , and are in covenant with god , and their sins are blotted out , and remembred no more ; for they cease to commit sin , being born of the seed of god . and we believe the go●…pel of christ is the power of god unto salvation , and that it ought to be preached freely unto all people , & christ to be held forth to all mankind by the ministry sent of him . and we believe , this ministry is receiv'd by the gift of the holy ghost , and all they that receive it , are lawfully called to the ministry , and they may preach the gospel of christ freely , as they have received it freely ; and this ministry is not of man , but of god , and is made powerful , to the converting of sinners , and to the bringing of people to god , and to the knowledge of his ways . and we do not believe , that any man is a minister of christ without the gift of the holy ghost , or that the gospel can be received by natural larning or education . and we believe , such as preach for hire , and have hire for preaching , are not the lawfully called ministers of the gospel of christ ; such as are proud , and high-minded , and covetous men , who do not profit the people at all , such as have run , and never were sent of christ , who calls by his spirit into the work of the ministry ; and as every one hath received the gift of that spirit , so he may administer to others . concerning rulers and governors , we believe , that there ought to be rulers and governors in every nation , city , country or town , and they ought to be such men as fear god , and hate every evil way , who will judge for god , and not for man , and will judge righteously , equally and justly , and will give true and sound judgment unto all men , without bribery or respect of persons , not regarding the rich above the poor , but being a praise unto all that do well , & a terror to all evil doers , having knowledge in the pure law of god , and themselves continually exercised therein . and we believe , that every law of man ought to be grounded upon the law of god , pure reason and equity being the foundation thereof , that gods witness in every man may answer to it ; and the law ought to be known unto all people before transgression be charged or punished in any man . and we believe , that every transgression ought to be punished according to its nature , & that the punishment exceed not the greatness of the transgression ; neither ought transgressors to escape unpunished ; neither ought any , upon false suspicion or jealousies , be caused to suffer , without the testi●…ony of true men , or the confession of the party . and we believe , that the executors of the law ought to be just men , and not given to pride , drunkenness , or any other evil . and thus true judgment and justice will be brought forth in the earth , and all that do well will have praise , and live in rest and peace , that all evil-doers may stand in a we , and be afraid of god and just men , and the execution of good laws . concerning religion , we believe , that it is the spirit the of lord , that makes men truly religious , and no man ought to be compelled to or from any exercise or practise in religion by any outward law or power , but every man ought to be left free , as the lord shall perswade his own mind , in doing or leaving undone this or the other practice in religion ; and every man , of what profession in religion soever , ought to be protected in peace , provided himself be a man of peace , not seeking the wrong of any mans person or estate . and we believe , that to reprove false opinions and unsound doctrines and principles , seeking to convince them that oppose themselves by ex●…rtation or sharp reproof , by word or writing , ought not to be counted a breach of the peace , or to strive about the things of the kingdom of god , by men of contrary minds or judgments , this ought not to be punished by the magistrates and their laws ; for we believe that the outward laws & powers of the earth are only to preserve mens persons & estates , and not to preserve men in opinions ; neither ought the laws of the nation to be laid upon mens consciences to bind them to or from such a judgment or practice in religion . and we believe , that christ is and ought only to be lord and exerciser of mens consciences , and his spirit must only lead into all truth . and we believe , that obedience and subjection in the lord belongs to superiors , & that subjects ought to obey them [ in the lord ] that have rule over them ; and that children ought to obey their parents , and wives their husbands , and servants their masters in all things , which is according to god , which stands in the exercise of a pure conscience towards god : but where rulers , parents or masters , or any other , command or require subjection in any thing which is contrary to god , or not according to him , in such cases all people are free , and ought to obey god rather than man : and we believe , that herein god will justifie them , being guided and led by his spirit in all that which is good , and out of all that which is evil . again , we believe concerning election and reprobation , that there is a state of election , and a state of reprobation , a state chosen of god , and a state rejected of god ; and that all mankind are in one of these states : all that are elected are elected in christ , and all that are out of him , are in the state reprobate , bringing forth fruits of death and darkness , being children of wrath and disoebdience , in the alienation and separation from god , in the transgression unreconciled to god , the enmity ruling in the heart , being in the fall , and not restored to god again , but ignorant of his power and wisdom , having the understanding darkened , that they cannot see nor perceive the things that are eternal : and in this condition his best works are sin , and whatsoever he doth , he cannot be accepted of god ; for he is dead to god , and alive to all evil , bringing forth all his works out of that ground which is cursed . this is the condition of all mankind upon the face of the earth in the first adam ; and this is the state of reprobation ; and all that abide herein are rejected of god , and shall never enherit eternal life , but go into perdition ; yet have all such a day of visitation , that they may return out of the state of reprobation , but hating knowledge , and desp●…fing the love of god . they continue in the state reprobate , and the wrath of god abides upon them ; but they that are chosen of god , are delivered from w●… for they believe in the light , and become children of the light , and are renewed in mind and heart , and receive the love of the father , and become planted into christ , the second adam , & are chosen in him to bring forth fruit u●…to the father , and all their fru●…t ●…pringeth from that ground which is blessed ; for they are led by the spirit of the father , and such are in the state of election , who are made heirs with christ of the everlasting inheritance that never fades away . and this we faithfully believe , that mercy is not shewed to the reprobate , nor judgment to them that are chosen of god . and this is to go abroad into the world , that all people may understand what we believe , and what we have received of god : and they that believe this , and walk therein by the spirit of the father , shall be saved ; but they that believe not , but are disobedient to the truth , shall be condemned because they do not believe . much more might be written , but in short , this is given forth by one that hath believed and received the knowledge of these things from god : a friend unto all people , edward burroughs . to all that say , we ( whom the world do in scorn call quakers ) do deny ministers and magistrates ; these things i write unto you , to give you in short an understanding what ministers and magistrates we own , and what , and whom we deny . 1. such ministers as are made by god , who are sanctified by his word and power , who have freely received perfect gifts from god , and so by the spirit and power of god are sent forth into the world , to turn the people from darkness to light , and from the power of satan to the power of god ; who freely minister unto others , without coveting any mans gold , or silver , or apparel ; not seeking theirs , but them : warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom , that they might present every man perfect in christ jesus : such as minister from the spirit , and have the word of god abiding in them , who are never unprovided , but at all times and seasons , and in all places , do speak and declare the truth , as they are moved and instructed , and as the spirit of truth doth give them utterance ; such ministers we own , and have in great esteem for their works sake , gal. 1. 1 , 12. joh. 15. 3. ephes. 4. 7 , 8 , 11 , 12 , 13. acts 26. 15 , 16 , 17 , 18. mat. 10 8. acts 20. 33. 2 cor. 12. 14. col. 1. 27 , 28 , 29. 2 corinth . 3. 6. john 15. 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7. john 4. 10 , 14. and 7. 38 , 39. 2 tim. 4. 2 , 3. acts 2. 4. but such as are brought up at schools & colledges , & so made ministers by the will of man , who have not freely receiv'd perfect gifts from god for perfecting of the saints , but deny perfection , and so deny the ministers work neither do ministr freely , but seek for gain from their quarters , and will not preach without a price , who are not sanctified by the word of god , but plead for a continuance in sin while people walk upon the earth : such as minister from the letter and not from the spirit , who cannot preach except they have time to study , and so by their industry povide themselves , and are not provided of the lord ( such a mninistry is of works and not the free gift from god ) such cannot profit people , but lead them captive in an empty and dead form , always hearing , but never able to come to the true knowledge of god : such , called ministers , we do deny , & turn from them , and testifie against them , as the holy men of god fromerly did , read isa. 56. 10 , 11. jer. 5. 31. mic. 3. 11. 1 cor. 1. 19 , 20 , 26 , 27 , 28 , 29. & chap. 21. 11. jer. 23. 15 , 61 , 17 , 22 , 30 , 31 , 32. isa. 50. 10 , 11. phil. 3. 18 , 19. jude 11. john 8. 24. 1 joh. 3. 8. 2 tim. 3. 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8. ezek. 34 hos. 6. 9. mat. 23. 1 tim. 5. 6 , 10 , 11. 2 tim. 3. 2 p●…t . 2. 2. such magistrates who rule for god , who be men of truth , fearing god and bating coveto●…sness , who execute true justice and judgment in the earth without partiality , not respecting the persons of the rich , nor despising the persons of the poor , but in tuth and equity giving to every one his due and portion according to the law of equity , who neither seek nor receive honour from men , but seek the honour that comes from god only ; who are a terror to evil d●…ers , but a praise to them that do well ; such magistrates we own , and in the lord honour , exod. 18. 21. de●…t . 16. 18 , 19 , 20. joh 5. 41 , 44. rom. 13. 3 , 4. but such magistrates who be proud and lofty who rule not for god , but for themselves , who love the praise of men , and judge for gifts and rewards , and love money which is the root of all evil ; who respect the rich in their gay cloathing , above the poor in vile raiment ; who seek and receive honour of men ( and if they be not honor'd with that which they seek for , turn judgment backwards , that equity cannot enter ) such as be wrathful and malicious cannot rule for god , such are encouragers of vice & wickedness , and turn their sword backward agains●… the upright and innocent , who reprove sin in the gate , such magistrates we do deny and testifie against ; for when the wicked bear rule , the righteous mourn , and the evil-doers rejoyce over them , and mock and reproach them , isa. 1. 21 , 23. chap. 2. 11 , 12. john 6. 43. mic. 3. 11. jam. 2. 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 9. john 5. 44. isa. 59. 13 , 14 , 15. isa. 29. 21. prov. 29. 2. such as live in pride and pleasures , and follow ungodly lust and wicked practices , deny god , though in words they may profess him ; even so , all such as do evil , who follow drunkenness , oathes , games , vain sports and pleasures , and such like ungodly actions , do deny , disgrace and greatly dishonour both ministers and magistrates , though in words they may own them , and bow the hat and knee , and give flattering titles unto them , tit. 1. 16. psalm 15. hosea 4. james 1. 25. job 32. 21 , 22. to walk soberly , righteously , and doing justly according as the grace of god which brings salvation , doth teach and direct , is a sweet savour to the lord , and a true owning , and in th●… lord honoring true ministers and magistates , micha 6. 8. tit. 2. 11 , 12. psal. 15. 17. isa. 〈◊〉 . 15. rom. 13. 3. but to walk loosly and prophanely , doing wieked and unjust actions , turning the grace of god into wantonness ; such are an ill savour to god , and deny and dishonour true ministers and magistrates , james 3. 14 , 15 , 16. jude 4. isa. 59. 2 , 3 , &c. true honour doth not consist in bowing the hat and knee , and such like things ( for that is the honour below , which men seek and receive one of another , which is in the unbelief ) but in the obedience of the magistrates just commands , who are a terror to wickedness , but a praise to them that do well : for the law was not made for the righteous , who fear god , and live uprightly , but for the lawless , who are out of gods fear , who live wickedly , casting the law of god behind their backs , john 5. 44. romans 13. 3 , 4. 1 ti●… 1. 8 , 9 , 10. psalm 50. 16 , 17. so this may certifie all whom this may come unto , that we do not deny ministers nor magistrates , who are made and ordained by god , but honour them in the lord ; let our lives and coversations , and that of god in all your consciences judge ; for if all were brought into our life , the magistrate should live at peace : and so as the eyes of your understandings come to be opned with true light , you will see that those who live soberly and righteously do own and honour ministers and magistrates , though they cannot for conscince sake respect their persons , nor give them flattering titles as your highness , your lordship , your worship and such like , for such belong to god : for christ jesus said , i receive not honour from man : and saith he , how can you believe , that receive honour one of another , and seek not the honour that comes from god only●… gal. 1. 11 , 12. rom. 13. 1. dut. 16. 18 , 19. john 1. 9. jam. 2. 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 9. john 5. 44. read with understanding , prove all things , hold fast that which is good , 1 thes. 5. 21. a. parker . to all that want peace with god ; to the sheep every where not brought home ; to the thirsty breathing soul , and to the seed , though in ca●…tivity among , and in the midst of all professors●… greetings of love , mercy and peace from god the father of the living . where the bowels are not shut up , nor the heart darkened ; and where that doth not bear rule which stoppeth the ear , end closeth the eye ; and where prejudice and rebellion against the light , with the wisdom of the flesh , through that knowledge which pusseth up , hath not wholly caten up , devoured , got over , and wholly overcome that tender principle , which once moved in the heart , towards that being of the living substance , there may my words take enterance ; and unto such who feel that which breathes to god , and who are willing to be satisfied concerning the living truth of his son , and who would receive the truth if they knew it , and do yet more desire after the power of god , then all the temporal things that are seen ; and who are yet come no further than the reading of the law , the priests , tythe's , and that religion that makes nothing perfect : and who are come no further then the outward baptis●… , or shadow , or figure , or such things , which are to be left behind , he●… . 6. or who are come no further then the supper , or the death , and so not yet saved by his life , nor drunk of that which saveth , & is to cleanse from all that which separateth from god ; after whom , and the incomes of his love immortal , whosoever truely desireth , and is willing to receive the power of his life , and come into covenant with the lord , such may lend me an ear a little , and you are them who may receive some benefit hereby ; for behold i write in plainness of the things of god , my heart being enlarged with abundance of his peace , in which ther 's good-will towards men , that you might come to draw near to the witness , the testimony whereof is within the vail , which vail is over the heart , 2 cor. 3. 15. and is not done away , but as you come to be in him , who is given for a witness , isaiah 55. 4. by believing in the light , john 12. 36. and so to have the witness in you , 1 john 5. 10 and you to be in it ; and that you may come to participate of god's indwellings , and feel the oyl which will last forever ; threrefore i proceed thus : how can i but look back a little , with an eye of pitty over those , who yet are where once i was , when the darkness was over the earth , and the cloud of errorscompassed me as well as others ; surely , i cannot now be unmindful of them that are yet lost , as not to have compassion upon the out-casts of israel , or to conceal from them these things of so great concernment ; but rather , as the lord of my life hath opened to me , i will reach forth my hand towards the weak , and utter my voice to the prisoner of hope , and shew unto the meek in the earth , how the invisible god hath led his seed , and is leading his remnant through , and out of the variety of things , unto the one thing it self , from whence the various things , gifts and ministrations do come . now , that which is chiefly in my heart to writ for the seeds sake , is ; first , something concerning the ministration of moses ( when he was upon the earth . ) secondly , concerning the ministration of christ ( whilst he was upon earth . ) thirdly , and chiefly , concerning the ministration of the spirit . first , concerning moses's ministration ( when he was upon earth ) which was to last till shilo same , or until the time of reformation . as concerning moses's ministration , to wit , the law , condemnation , or death , with the priests offering , and worldly sanctuary , and an outward tabernacle , and daily offerings for sin , and store-houses for the levites , strangers , fatherless & widdows , having the ark of the testimony within the vail , and the mercy . seat cóvered , and the golden pot , and the people to seek the law at the priests mouth , whereby their knowledge is preserved , and many profit much thereby , and come day by day , and year by year unto that which they esteem a place of holy worship , and ordinances of god . and notwithstanding the priests of moses'●… law were made by the law of god , yet that p●…iesthood changeth , and the law changeth , and the very glory of all this passeth away ; for this did once seem glorious unto me , and many more , which only dis●…overed sin , though it made nothing perfect , and with much delight was the reading of the law and the prophets hearkened unto , and the daily confession of sin ( but the vail is over the heart whilst moses is preached ) and sacrifices morning and evening , with the long prayers , which the comers thereunto were not at all thereby made perfect , as pertaining to the conscience ; though it had a shadow of good things to come , yet the glory thereof comes to be done away ; then how much more will the very glory of the most glorious appearance of that ministry perish , and be done away , which cometh short of this , and hath not so much as the image of this , which was a shadow ? o weak & beggarly things , that are found among those priest now , and their followers , who come short of moses's ministry ! for he directed them to christ , the substance & so his ministration come to be done away , as christ comes to be received ; for moses did not seek to uphold his priests , or law , or tythes , or any thing else when christ should come , who is the end of the law , but did write of him ; and notwithstanding his ministry & priests , he said he that would not hearken unto him , should be cut off ; and said , the lord will raise up [ mark the words , raise up ] the lord shall raise up a prophet ; and when the prophet was come , he said , i am the light , and i am meek and low in heart ; and this is to be raised up which is meek ; for to them that sate in darkness , light hath sprung up : and the soul that hearkneth not to the prophet which springs up shall be cut off ; for truth springeth up out of the earth , and christ is the truth , and he said , i am the light , which is the horn of salvation , that god raised up to be a light to lighten the gentiles , and is the salvation of israel ; and so the soul is to hearken to that which god raised up , and that it is which condemns sin ( under it ) who is like unto moses , whose ministry discovers sin , and so moses directed unto christ ( who puts away the sin ) & paul said of the glory of moses's ministration , that it was no glory , in respect of the glory of the ministration of the spirit ; and the gloriou●… ministry of the spirit was received , after he who had a body prepared had suffered the crucifying of his body , and the prophets searched diligently to see the glory that was to be after the sufferings of christ . 1 p●…t . 1. 10 , 11. but the thing intended , that moses when he was upon the earth , directed unto christ , and gave commandment that they should hearken unto him ( who said ) i am the light ( and this is one tittle of the law , that the light be hearkened unto ) who is the end of the law , and the substance ; and he that offendeth herein , is guilty of all ? and this is that in which all the large ministrations of moses are included , that christ the light , the true prophet be hearkened unto and obeyed , that by hearing and obeying his voice ( or the word in the heart ) they might come from under the law , and the priests , and that which waxeth old , unto the life and obedience of him who abideth a priest forever , even the lord of that glory which lasteth for evermore . secondly , concerning christ , and his ministration , ( when he was upon earth ) and his work which he finished . and when he cometh , which moses commandeth to hearken unto , even christ the true prophet , the light of the world , the living minister , the end of the law , who had a body prepared to do the will of the father , which was in him , the man christ jesus , he saith , follow me ; and he took up his cross and passed through the death and the vail , and so being made perfect through sufferings , attained that glory which he had with the father before he had a body , which body was prepared to do the father's will ; whose will was , that all men should be saved ; therefore christ tasted death for every man , and rose again for the justification of those that believe in him , who said , i am the light , and is sate down at the right hand of god , who is a spirit eternally in the heavens , ascended up out of the sight of them which gazed after that body which i●… gone out of their sight , even he , christ , the mystery , hid from ages and generations now made manifest to destroy the works of the devil ; being meek and low in heart , he saith , learn of me : then not of the priests , nor any longer of moses ; for the law is the school-master to christ ; who being come , calleth one from the custom , another from going to bury the dead , another from questioning and reasoning what this man or another man should do , that he might not stand looking out at others , but himself to follow the light , saying , follow thou me . and those that followed him when he was upon earth , saw his miracles , and heard his parables , and eat of the outward bread , and were filled ( though many now eat and are not filled ) and they had his body among them , and they came to the baptism , and the supper , but christ himself baptized not : and when he was upon the earth , he said , i go to the father , and i go to prepare a place for you ; and he said , whither i go , ye know ; and he said before , follow me ; and except a man deny himself , and take up his cross , and follow me , he cannot be my disciple : and he said , my sheep hear my voice , and they follow me : and he entered within the vail ( & the vail is over the heart ) and was made perfect through sufferings , and is sate down in the majesty on high , glorified with god the father ; and the father was in him , even the fullness of god ; and that which may be known of god is manifest in thee ; and he said , he had finished the work the father gave him to do , and so the father's will was accomplished & done , for which the body was prepared : he said , now glorifie 〈◊〉 , father , with the same glory which i had with thee from the beginning ; and he that spake in the body abideth forever , who said , a body hast thou prepared me , which body being crucified , he took up his life again , & then those that did know him , three dayes before , knew him not : and he ascended , and a cloud received him out of the sight of certain men , who never found him unto this day for he remaineth out of the sight of most that profess him , and as lightning in the clouds of heaven doth he come again , and every eye shall see him that condemneth sin : and the kingdom of heaven is within you , and yet the blind cannot see , nor the deaf hear . and this was he that moses commanded to hear , who said , he that is with you shall be in you , and he that was with or without , was to go away ; and that which was to be received within , he said should abide with them forever , & the spirit of truth was to lead into all truth : for , though the body was prepared to do god's will , yet they by it were not lead into all truth , but sometimes understood it not , though he spake spirit & life ; and moreover , they went away , and some fled from the truth , & peter denied him that was the truth : and so such as have got a profession of the truth without them , and not the spirit within to lead into all truth , such fly in the day of tryal from that they profess ; and some deny it rather then suffer with , or for it ; and herein them called baptists also have not come short , and some of them have bowed to the beast , and so it is with many who profess christ and truth without them , even as with those who understood not the parables , neither could cast out the unclean spirits : so that christ was and is grieved , when he hath been so long with , and professed and followed without , and yet not come to that faith which purifies the heart , whereby to cast out the unclean within , as thou mayst read in thy self . and therefore christ , when he was upon earth , did often speak unto them , of what was yet to come ; and i do seldom read , to take notice , that he did so often preach and repeat any one thing unto them , as that of the spirit to come , saying that it ( mark , the spirit ) would lead into all truth ; and seeing their weakness and unbelief , mark 16. 14. he by the often repetition thereof , did ( as it were ) the more chiefly to engage their hearts to wait for , and seek after the incomes of that which should comfort them , and abide with them , when his body was gone from them , whither they could not come ; and to this one thing doth he direct them in various expressions , as of his going to the father , and coming again , and saith he , i will pray the father , and he shall give you another comforter , even the spirit of truth , whom the world cannot receive , john 14. 16. and many things jesus did which if they should be all wirtten , the world might not contain the books , john 21. 25. and many things he spake unto them , acts 2. 40. and yet there was something to come to be waited for , and after to be received , which was more then all this ; for , saith he , these things have i spoken unto you , being yet present with you ; [ but ] the comforter , &c. mark , the word [ but ] intimateth someth●…ng greater , or more than what was spoken to them , whilest he was with them ; for , saith he , he that is with you , shall be in you , john 14. 17. and said , but the comforter , which is the holy spirit , whom the father will send in my name , he will teach you all things ( mark what that is that teacheth all things ) and bring all things to your remembrance whatsoever i have said , ( and so , that is within which bringeth the words of spirit and life to remembrance , ) john 14. 25 , 26. and having spoken of other things he saith again , but when the comforter comes , even the spirit of truth , john 15. 26. and if i go not away , the comforter will not come , but if i depart i will send him unto you , john 16. 7. and i have many things to say unto you , but you cannot bear them now ; howbeit , when he , the spirit of truth is come , he will guide you into all truth , john 16. 12 , 13. here it may be seen that they who followed christ without and not received the spirit within , could not bear what he had to speak unto them ; and also , it may be seen that when the spirit was come , it would be better with them . and much more might be mentioned , how christ foretold what was to come and be received , and revealed in that day , john 16. 23. when the spirit should be poured forth according to the prophets ; all which plainly declareth , and most evidently sets forth , how christ in his ministry , when he was upon earth , did most chiefly direct unto the ministration of the spirit of truth , which was then yet to come ; and that they might not run to teach others ( as many do now ) before they had received the spirit of truth in themselves , by , and with that to be led into all truth , but might receive the power of truth in themselves , from the life thereof , to convert others unto the same : therefore said he further , after he was risen again ; but tarry ye in the city of jerusa em until you be endued with power from on high , mark 24. 4. so that though they had seen his body before , and had now seen him after his resurrection , yet that and all the rest was not enough without the power and the spirit which was to come , which they were to wait for . and so now men should tarry , wait and stand still , to see the salvation of god , and until they receive the spirit ; for it is the spirit ( not the body ) which searcheth all things , and sheweth plainly of the father . and by this before written in short , i have a little endeavoured , to shew , unto the ●…cek and single-hearted , that moses when he was upon earth , directed unto christ ; as in these words : the lord thy god will raise up unto thee a prophet from the midest of thee , of thy brethren , like unto me , unto him shall ye hearken , dc●…t . 18. 15. and christ when he was upon earth , directed unto the spirit which was to come , in like words , saying : these things have i spoken unto you , being yet present with you , but the comforter , which is the holy spirit , whom the father will send in my name , he shall teach you all things , john 14. 25 , 26. and then , what if i did write after the manner of men , and fay if moses were now upon the earth , and christ in his own body upon the earth , and moses with all his p●…iests , tythes , offerings , and religion , which discovers sin , but makes nothing perfect , which paul profited much in ; if he , i say , should command and exhort all people under his ministry , to go to christ and hear him ? and if christ were now upon earth , and notwithstanding his outward miracles , circumcision , baptism , supper , and death , yet he should command and exhort all ( that ●…ome through the law or ministration of moses unto him . ) to look , and tarry , and wait for another comforter , that they might receive the spirit in them , and say unto them , that that should teach them all things , and lead them int●… all truth ? then whether or no people were to continue following moses's priests , with their tythes and long prayers , and still be seeking the law at their mouthes , or to come to christ , to seek the gospel ? for moses himself did not fay , that they should seek the gospel at the priests mouth : and then when did the priests ever preach the gospel ? and then , whether those obey not moses , who leave the priests and come to christ , the light ? and whether such , when they are come to christ , should alwayes be looking and following after his body , miracles , baptism , or supper without them , or tarry and wait to receive the spirit within them ? and then , which of these now should all people that profess christ , be led by in these dayes , either moses , or the person of christ , or the spirit of truth ? and whether such as have received , and are truly indeed led by this spirit of truth , and know that to be their teacher , and follow it , and are ruled , governed and guided by it , according to the command of moses and christ , do not hereby obey the command of moses and christ , and fulfil their doctrine ? and whether any other people or professors whatever do obey the command of moses and christ , but only such ? and whether this be not a thing of great concernment to be known and learned by all who profess christianity ? but why then do people follow these priests of england any longer , which are contrary to moses , and also to christ , who have no store-houses , but suffer the poor to want within and without , and the widdow and the stranger ready to perish , and moreover devour , and can never have enough of the spoil of other mens goods ? and why do others dispute about , and talk of the body so much , which they never saw nor knew ? and is it not better to be silent , and know god who dwells in his people , and the spirit of truth , which he requires in the inward parts , and to feel after god , even the life in themselves , because the apostle said , they were saved by his life being before reconcited by his death , rom. 5. 10 ? and until the life came , there were many things which they were not saved from by the body , for the body was before the death , and the death which reconciles was passed through , before the life was received again to save and justifie . and why then are people so much busied about that which was before the reconciliation ( and so therein much short of the life ) and for outward bread , wine , and water ; are not these things which are seen ? and are not the things that are seen temporal ? but christ the true prophet , being come , of whom moses did write , who is the end of the law , and so the end of that ministry , whereby that is done away for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof ; and christ coming after john , of whom john bore witness , that he was before , and greater , and came after him ; and christ also having finished that which he himself came to do : and likewise so largely and often exhorted to wait for another comforter , even the spirit of truth . then what ministration is it that now standeth and remaineth , which is according both to moses , christ and the holy scriptures ? and what ministration is to be expected or waited for , but the ministration of the spirit ? and whether all they be not compassed about with a cloud of error , who are upholding that ministry of the law ( or a worse ) which christ is the end of , and the apostles said was done away ; and likewise such as are upholding and keeping up that which christ said , he had finished ? and whether the upholding of such things now , be not quite opposite , both to moses , christ and scriptures ? and being that moses , nor indeed his true ministers of the law , are not upon earth , neither that body of christ ( which by the professors was murthered at jerusalem ) visibly to be seen upon earth ; then what is it those have to follow , who have not received the spirit to be led by ? and if they will say , they have the writings of moses and the words of christ ; i say , if that be all , then they that forsook and denyed christ had more then them ; for they had the words from his own mouth , which were spirit and life , and yet they understood not ; ( and then what do those understand who have not so much as they had ? ) therefore after he had suffered , and rose again , he opened their understandings . and so , what is all their religion worth , who are not come to the spirit ? and whether moses's ministration being ended by christ , and christ also having finished his work , are not all people in the first place , now to wait for the spirit , and to receive the spirit by it , then to be led into all truth ; and so being first led into the truth , then in the same truth to worship god in spirit , who is a spirit ? and whether there be now any true worship standing , which god accepteth , but only this ? and whether this alone be not agreeable to moses , christ and scriptures ? and whether all other worships now upheld , be not contrary to this true worship of god , and contrary to moses , christ and scriptures , and indeed chiefly opposite to the spirit of god , whereby he is grieved ? and if so , whether all such worship , way . practice , performances , duties , and ordinances ( so called ) be not better left undone then performed , until gods spirit be received to guid therein ? thirdly , concerning the ministration of the spirit , which abideth for ever . moses and his ministry were visible , and christ in the form of a servant ( and so like unto moses ) was visible , and so were his miracles ; and that which is visible to the natural eye , the carnal mind can come to profess and contend about ; but the blessed eye , which god openeth with the light , cometh to see the one done away , and the other finished by christ , the light and life . and the spirit is that which first moved , and yet moveth , and moved unto , and led through the visible ministration ; and this spirit is invisible , as it is wirtten , the invisible only wise god , whom no eye of flesh hath seen , or can see ; and this moving invisible spirit of god which is without limit or end , is that which all people should be led unto , by all its outward visible appearances , ministration and dispensations ; and this spirit was that which gave forth and ordained the ministration of the law , which was glorious in its time , though to be done away : but how much more glorious is the ministration of that spirit of life it self , from which the ministration of the law came , which spirit abideth for ever . and the second adam is made a quickning spirit ; and the spirit which is the word , was with god , and was god , before the body of flesh was made ; and that spirit abideth forever , as i●… heard out of the law . he shall abide forever . and this is that which ever liveth to interceed . and this forever blessed invisible spirit was before time , and is to be when time shall be no more ; and is without limit , an eternal lively substance , giving life from it self , and secretly covering it self from the carnal part of man , not seen nor understood , but by such as by its secret motions come to be led to see through that which shadows it forth , and by the image , form , shadow or figure , to discern the substance , which is the life , where immortality dwelleth : for in the most innermost and secret of all is the life of all , being covered over with that in which it lies ; through which it breaking forth in any discovery of it self , is that whereby the beholders might be drawn through the discovry unto it self , which in the discovery broke forth ; for the discovery was still too short of that from whence it came , & that which was discovered forth in any shadow , form or image , was not to be idolized nor set up , for the very things or substance of life , from whence it proceeded ; and herein hath been much mistaken , by such who came not by that , which opened in the visibles , to that from whence it came , in that to have their understandings opened , and thereby to be made sensible of that which is eternal by it to be brought in , where its indwellings abide forever , whose breaking forth in the visible ( which was to draw to that invisible ) refreshed the soul invisibly , in an unexpected manner and time ; but being ( after ) sought for in the visibles ( and not in the eternal ) withdraws it self out of the visibles , and out of the sight and reach of that which seeks it there , that thereby that which is to live forever with it , may come through all that which it appeared in unto the very thing and invisible substance it self , which is the life of all , and the true center of the living motion which moveth of itself , and gave forth all things good , as they proceed from it , by vertue of its gradual , and various motions ; and this being come opens it self , in them that find it , and live therein ; and this maketh darkness light before the people whose dwellings is with god , and the crooked comes to be made streight by the things it self , and dark sayings of old come to be opened , and secret things revealed . but to write more plain for the sake of the weak , of this glorious indwelling spirit , which in the fulness of time cometh forth in flefh , laying hold of the seed of abraham , the most glorious appearance that ever was ; being thus appeared , was the express image of god , who dwelleth in his people , whose bodies are flesh and earthly tabernacles ; but by the operations of the sanctifying , cleansing siprit , which the father sendeth , are made fit habitations of god , and co-heirs with christ , and members of his body , flesh and bones ; which spirit quickneth to god , and being thus received and obeyed , is felt to live forever , though the shadowings forth of it be done away , and this is eternal , and never endeth , but a bideth with such forever ; and the ministration of it i●… life it self to the soul and more to be valued and desired , then all that ever was seen before it . and as the lord took of that spirit which was upon moses , and put it upon his brethren the elders of israel , whereby they might rule and judge with him ; so saith christ , the father shall take of mine , and give it unto you , even of that spirit of love , life , power , valour and virtue , which was upon and in him , ( that was like unto moses ) is ministred into , and put upon such as are truly his brethren and friends , whereby , with him , they ( thus gifted , sanctified and qualified ) judge the world : for all judgment is committed to the son , and of that which the son hath ( and is committed to him ) doth the father give unto his members , and so from christ the head they come to receive power over the world , and its way , worship , and fashions , and over unclean spirits . and that is an unclean spirit which will lead into any sin , and it is an unclean spirit in which sin standeth , and which pleadeth for the continuance , and upholding of that which is unclean ; and that is of the world , which the saints judge . and as those elders of israel ( who were of the church in the wilderness ) were not made fit to judge or rule in outward matters by all the writings and words of the law ( though received by disposition of angels ) until the lord himself took of that spirit which was upon moses and put upon them . so those that profess to be elders in the church now , or any other person whatsoever , are much less made fit to rule or judge in spiritual matters , by all the reading and professing moses writings , and christs words , and the rest of the holy scriptures ( though they were given by the inspiration of god ) until the lord take of that spirit which was upon , and in christ ( who is like unto moses ) and give unto , and pour it upon , and minister it in un●…o them . and this is done in gods way ( which is secret ) and time ( which is in his own hand ) to those whom he accounteth wrothy thus to honour , and who truly wait for it as a wayfering man for a resting place , and as a captive for deliverance . and though christ ( after his resurrection ) said , all power in heaven and in earth is given unto me , go ye therefore and teach ; yet they were to tarry until they had the power in themselves ; and when that was come , which they were to tarry and wait for , then with that they went , and so taught the nations , from the sensible feeling of that which taught them how to teach , and all things else , when the same spirit and power was upon them , which was before committed unto him ; and so the coming forth of it from him into them and filling them therewith , was to them in that work of the ministry most effectual : like as the vertue going forth of christ healed the woman ; so the power and vertue of the holy spirit , coming forth from christ , being sent of the father , and received by the disciples ( who with much desire waited for that ) impowered them to do that which before they were commanded to do , after they were endued with power ( or had the power in them ) and so what they were commanded to do , they were to wait to receive power in themselves from god to perform ; and christ did intend to give them power to do that which he commanded : and as he commanded them to go and teach , he also required them to tarry ( and so not to go ) until they had received so to do ; and so it was the power of the holy ghost in them , which made them ministers , and these were , and such are , truly ordained ministers : and after they had received power from on high , even the spirit ( or life ) of truth , and were filled therewith , and so had it in them , then they went to do that which was commanded them ; then they went to teach nations , and converted thousands , and turned sinners , and brought souls to god , and then they were called christians , and then were people brought to be of the true church which christ buildeth upon that which flesh and blood revealeth not . and this is the enterance into the church in god , 2 thes. 1. 1. the receiving of the spirit , and in this god is worshipped , and not else , for this hath excluded all other worship ; and these only are the true worshippers , who come in thus by the door , which is christ , the light and spirit of truth , sent into the heart from god . and if all the prudent learned divines ( so called ) in europe , or all , or any of the wisest orthodox men ( so called ) in any other quarter of the whole world , can prove by the scriptures of the old and new testament any other true worship of god ( who is a spirit ) now extant among men , and to be performed ( especially among them called christians ) with acceptance to god , but only that which the spirit of truth leadeth such unto as receive it ; then let them bring it forth that we may see it , and prove it by plain undeniable truth of scripture ; or otherwise i shall look upon their proofs , words , ways , actions , practices , performances , duties , and several worships , as things of no value . or if there be any other enterance into the true worship of god , then this spirit that god sendeth for the light , which leadeth to it , or if there be any other worship which god doth , or will accept to be after this , spoken or prophesied of in the scriptures of truth , whereby this shall ever be done away , or ended , from being the true , only , and alone worship of god , whilst men have a being upon earth , then let the wisest of the sons of men bring it forth , and produce their strong reasons therein , that we may plead together , and that the enterance into , and the true worship it self of the only true invisible god , may be declared all over the world , for the satisfaction of every tender heart concerning this . for this i am satisfied in , that christ jesus ( who is the end of the law , and who finished his work , when he was upon the earth ) is made a quickning spirit , and is the way and truth of life , which bringeth into the worship of god , and he is the beginning and the end , and he leadeth to the beginning of gods worship , and he is the end and the rest of all the faithful , in whom all the promises are yea and amen ; and without him all is as nothing , and all that comes before him are theives and robbers : and he it is that abideth a priest forever , and his spirit of truth is it , which all ●…cople and professors whatsoever should first wait to receive , thereby to be led into the true spiritual worship , which alone god accepteth ; ll●…st they have their worship and building fall together , in a day when there is none to deliver . and then thus i query ; if christ's own dear disciples , who had forsook all and followed him ( not priests or papists ) did not come to receive this spirit , by hearing all the words which he spoke unto them , but by waiting after the words were ended ; then , whether those that have not forsaken all ( nor so much as the worlds fashions ) do now come to receive the spirit by reading , hearing or professing the same words of christ , now written , or any other part of the scriptures ? or , whether a proud man hath received this spirit , or a lyar or profane person , or any wise or prudent man whatsoever , by any means or way of his ? and whether any such ever did , have or can or may by any industry , or other way or means attain to this spirit which leadeth in the true worship of god , but as it is freely given forth from god ? and then whether all people are not to be led by that spirit ( which god freely giveth ) into the worship of god ; because christ said , the spirit shall lead , which indeed doth lead into all truth , and nothing else doth so ? and they that have not received this from god to lead them , are not yet come to be led by that which the sons and children of god were , and are led by . and the ministration of the spirit , which all are now to be taught by , is inwardly to be known , in the nearest , secret invisible maner , and is more out of the sight , comprehension , and reach of mans wisdom then any other ministration ; and it is given forth from the clear foundation it self , unto the soul satisfaction of man , when he is come to the end of words ; or having heard much , or all the words that can he spoken of it , remaineth unsatisfied , in a restless longing desire , to find , receive , feel and enjoy the thing it self , which the words declare of ; and that which sat●…fieth the true thirsting soul , comes clearly from god , to the refreshing of the inward parts of man , and filling of the empty , barren , hungrv spirit , which cannot be satisfied without god's indwellings ; and thus the disciples were led along , and at last , in a foolish way to the great professors , they waited among them in jerusalem , and the lord had regard unto them and sent his own spirit unto them , and then they were filled with the holy ghost . and the secret invisible hand of god whose power was and is felt in my heart , having out of the sight of flesh and blood , in the hidden counsel of his secret will , led me by the vertue of the opreations and drawings thereof , through those things , which thereby i come to leave behind , and to receive and feel that which now goeth before , and is my leader , in whose covenant of life eternal , my soul is now satisfied ; and so by good experience of the lords leadings , and from an experimental knowledge , sensible feeling , and present enjoyment of the incomes of the spirit of truth and life , which filleth the inward parts with the holiness of it self , and giveth power to do the things required before of god , even from the right and good understanding thereof , is this written ; that where it meets with the like condition in a weary travailer , it may answer its own , and be helpful to the weak and feeble ; that such may not give over pressing forwards , nor faint in their long travel , though many mountains , on which they did nourish themselves at formerly will not yield them bread now ; yet that they may with me , and the rest of the followers and friends of c●…ist ( past and present ) always continue following the spirit as it leads , until the inward man be filled therewith , and so power and strength from god comes to be known and received in every particular . for thus it is with chirsts followers now ; they are not satisfied , until they are filled with that which they have heard of , and their souls thirsted after ; and so it was with them then , and they were filled with what they wanted before ; and then , from that , which they were filled with , they spoak forth , and so they did teach the nations , and brought people under the power of god , and baptized them into that , and dipt them into the name of the father , and brought them under that which saveth from sin , and plunged them into the holy spirit ; and as they teach'd , they did this , baptizing as they did teach , and plunging them ( as their doctrine went forth ) into that which washeth and purifieth the conscience from the filth and guilt of sin , of which the outward baptism was a figure of this which saveth : and so their doctrine was from an inward life , and proceeded from that which was invisible ; and so reached to that which wanted life in the hearers , and so brought up the power of god over them , and them under it , and into it ; for the word is [ ●…nto ] and they were to bring people into the name ( not water ) and they were to bring or baptize them into the name , as they did teach , go ye and teach , baptizing into ; baptizing is in the present tense , when they did teach : and here , the spiritual and inward baptism goes along with the preaching of the word of life , which is inward , and brings man into an inward enjoyment of god , being baptized into his name , which is a strong tower , which preserveth from the power of the devil : and we all who are brought into this , and are come in here , 〈◊〉 all by one spirit baptized into one body , and so worship god in the spirit , having the heart sprinkled from an evil conscience , by the washing of regeneration in the ministration of the gospel of peace , whereby there is a drawing nigh to god ( being brought into his name ) and a free access to the throne of that grace , which saveth from and out of all filthiness of flesh and spirit . humphrey smith . the discovery of mans return to his first estate , by the operation of the power of god in the great work of regeneration . all men and women , behold , and see 〈◊〉 what estate you were created . and god said , let us make man in our image ; god created man in his own image , and in the image of god created he him , male and female created he them . and the lord took man , and put him in the garden of eden , to dress , and to keep it . and the lord god commanded the man , saying , of every tree in the garden thou mayest freely eat , but of the tree of knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat of it : for in the day thou 〈◊〉 thereof , thou shalt surely dye the death . the serpen●… was more subtil then any best●… of the field which the lord god had made ; he said unto the woman , ye shall not surely dye : for god doth know that in the day you eat thereof , your eyes shall be opened , and ye shall be as god , knowing good and evil . and when the woman saw the tree was good for food , and that it was pleasant unto the eyes , and a tree to be desired to make one wise , she took the fruit thereof , and did eat , and gave also to her husband with her , and he did eat . and the eyes of them both were opened , and they knew that they were naked , and they sewed fig-leaves together , and made them aprons . and they heard the voice of the lord god , walking in the garden in the cool of the day , and adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the lord among the trees of the garden : and the lord god called unto adam , and said unto him where art thou ? and he said , i heard thy voice in the garden , and was afraid ; and because i was naked i hid my self ; and he said , who told thee that thou wast naked ? hast thou eaten of the tree whereof that i commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat ? and the man said , the woman whom thou gavest to be with me , she gave me of the tree , and i did eat . and the lord god said unto the woman , what is this that thou hast done ? the woman said , the serpent beguiled me , and i did eat . and the lord god said unto the serpent , because thou hast done this , thou art cursed above all cattel , and above every beast of the field , and upon thy belly shalt thou go , and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life . and i will put enmity betwixt thee and the woman , and betwixt thy seed and her seed ; it shall bruise thy head , and thou shalt bruise his heel . and the lord god said , behold , this man is become as one of us , to know good and evil : and now left he put forth his hand , and take also of the tree of life , and eat , & live forever . therefore the lord god sent him forth from the garden of eden , to till the ground from whence he was taken , and he drove out the man , and placed at the east of the garden of eden cherubims , and a flaming sword , which turned every way , to keep the way of the tree of life . every man and woman , behold and see how you are fallen from the estate and condition you are created in ; you were created in the image of god , to delight alone in him , but you are fallen in obeying the counsel of the serpent , and are driven out from the presence of god into the earth , and there your minds are feeding upon the dust of the earth , created objects which will perish : some delight in father and mother , some in wife and children , some in house and lands , some in money and gold , some in meats and drinks , some in raiment , what they shall put on , some in lusts and pleasures ; in wantonness , in vain idle communication , foolish jesting and laughter , which is madness and folly , and some in honour & preferment in this world , wherein their hearts are lifted up in pride and exaltation above others whom they have power over , not considering how you are driven out from the presence of the lord , wherein you were placed in the beginning ; and some there are that feed upon the letter of the scripture , which is death , comprehending god and christ in their wisdom from what the saints of the most high god have spoaken forth from the life they have injoyed in christ jesus , which was in them the hope of their glory ; and man in his serpentine wisdom steals the saints words into his understanding , and never knew the life and power thereof in himself , and so speaks a divination of his own brain , a ridle to his own heart ; and while he speaks to others , himself is cast away . every man and woman in particular , deal justly with your own hearts , and see where your hearts are , and what they delight in ; for , in some of these created objects you delight in and feed upon , if you cannot witness your change by the eternal and powerfull word of truth ; for into the earth you are driven from the presence of god , and these are the fruits which spring out of the earth , which are in your hearts , self-love , pride , covetousness , anger , revenge , hastiness , frowardness , back-biting , hard heartedness cruelty & oppression , lust , uncleanness , drunkenness , impatiency , and unbelief , & you are fenced out , from coming to the tree of life , with cherubims & the flaming sword , which turns every way to keep the tree of life . so every one see what you can witness of your return again unto god ; from whence you are separated by the disobedience and evil of your hearts , & see what is the ground of the hope of your calling , & by what power you are acted in your obedience unto god , whether by the power of the first adam , or by the power of the second ? for if thou , upon the convincement of the evil of thy ways , dost not wait in the light which is in thy conscience , that convinceth thee of the evil of thy doings , for power from the lord to guide thee forth of the evil , which the light discovers , which would guide thee into the kingdom of god , but thou runest out into the wisdom of the first adam , to seek the kingdom of god in outwrad forms and observations , according as thou comprehendest of the saints practices , and thou imitatest their practices in thy wisdom , and though thou walkest never so strictly in these outward forms , thou art alive in the first adam , sewing fig-leaves together to cover thy nakedness , a piece of new cloth in an old garment , thou art putting new wine into old bottles , and art building up a tower to get up to god in thy heathonish and babylonish wisdom , and confusion will come upon thee : in the day when the lord comes to look for fruit , thou wilt be found a fruitless tree that cumbers the ground ; cain , with his offering up sacrifice unto god in thy first nature ; esau , seeking the birt-righ with tears , who shall never find it ; and all the fruit that is raised in thee , is from hagar the bond-woman , and thou hast thy end for thy self in all that thou dost , which is thy hire , which thou expectest in the end , life , for thy labour and obedience , and regardest not the glory of the lord , and his fear is not before thine eyes : therefore every man and woman , deal justly with your own hearts , under what name or title soever thou art , whether thou be a teacher of others , or a professor of what thou comprehendest to be truth from the testimony the saints gave forth , from the life and power of christ that was in them , and thou expectest life in thy outward forms and observations , and mindest not to be guided by that light , which is of christ , in thine own conscience ; which light guided the saints that gave forth the scriptures : and while thou disobeyest that light , profess what thou wilt , thou art in the fall , first adam is yet alive in thee , cain is not yet banished , nor esau reprobated , nor the bond woman and her son cast out ; which are all figures and types of the first nature , which is yet alive in thee , and thy will is thy guide , and thy heart is in the earth , notwithstanding all thy profession , and thou art a painted beast , made drunk with the wine of the wrath of the whore , which is thy wisdom , which comprehends that which thou never didest know manifest in it self , and sits deckt a well-favouored horlot , above the cross of christ ; thou wilt be found a thief and a robber , who comest not in by the door , jesus christ , but climbest up some other way : and thus far went the scribes and pharisees , and the young man , who had kept the commandments from his youth , but when he should have sold all for christ , he went away sorrowful : and thus far went paul when he persecuted jesus christ , according to the law he walked blameless ; and all thy strict walking to get life in observations according to the letter is striving again to get to the tree of life by thy own power , who are fenced out with cherubims , and a flaming sword , which turns every way to keep the tree of life ; and if thou never sawest thy self fenced out from the presence of god , notwithstanding all thy righteousness in observations , thou art not come so near god as to see the flaming sword which is placed to meet thee in every way thou turnest to get life in thy own power , and to cut thee down and kill thee , that christ may be thy life , thou art alive in the first adam , and art in the death , for death reigns over all from adam to moses , and moses is until the prophets , and the prophets till john , and john until christ ; and if thou canst not witness that thou art come to moses , profess what thou wilt , thou hast not set thy face towards god , nor one step in the strait and narrow way to eternal li●…e , but art going the broad way to destruction , whatever thou be , whether a teacher of others , or a professor of what thou comprehendest to be truth from the letter of the scripture , under what form , name , or title soever thou be , thou art a dead man , and a dead woman , and the wrath of god abides on thee , though thou see it not ; rom. 7. 9. there paul witnesseth , i was alive without the law once , but when the commandment came , sin revived and i dyed . friends , every one in particular , deal justly with your hearts , see what you can witness of your death with christ by the powerful word of truth , which enlightens the conscience , and condemns sin in the flesh : for every one would ascend with christ to be partakers of the life and glory with him , but he becomes a stumbling stone , to be baptized with him unto his sufferings and death , to descend with him into hell ; & this thou must witness before ever thou comest to sit with him in heavenly places : for it is they , and they alone that shall reign with him , who suffer with him ; and they that are dead shall live with him : it is the dead that hear the voice of the son of god , and they that hear shall live . arise thou that sleepest in the dust of the earth securely in thy serpentine wisdome , thy mind feeding upon the dust of the earth , created objects , which will perish ; arise , stand up to judgment , that christ may give thee life . this is required of thee , o man , to do justly , love mercy , and to walk humbly with thy god . examine thy heart , and deal justly with thy own soul : there is a light in thy conscience , which light is of christ ; minding it , it will let thee see the mystery of iniquity , that lodgeth in thy heart , which is deceitful and desperately wicked ; and this light in thy conscience , which discovers unto thee the evil of thine heart , is of the eternal word of god , and was from the beginning , according as it is written in the outward testimony of the truth . in the beginning was the word , and the word was with god , and the word is god , and the same was in the beginning with god ; all things were made by him , and without him was not any thing made that was made ; in him was life , and the lifo was the light of men . and the light shineth in darkness , and the darkness comprehendeth it not . every one arise out of your earthly wisdom , and mind the light in thy conscience , and wait on the power of the lord in it , and it will bring thee to judgment before the throne of the lamb , where the righ●…teous law will be opened in thy heart , that will cry through thy earthly heart for righteousness and judgment , and the book will be opened in thee , where thou shalt see all written that thou hast done in the body , and shalt give an account for every idle word , and receive thy reward for what thou hast done , and thy reward is wrath and condemnation , which will pass upon thee from the presence of the lamb , for thy disob dience and breaking of the righteous law , that goes out of the mouth of the lamb , 't will turn every way , and meet thee , & cut thee down , and cast thee into hell , where there is weeping and wailing for want of the presence of god , and thou canst do nothing to pacific the wrath of god which is gone out against thee . now would●…t thou hide thy self , as adam did , when he appears in thy heart , thy fig-leav'd garment of prayers , tears , form . , outward observations according to thy comprehension of the letter , will not cover thy nakedness , it served to cover thy nakedness from the sight of men , but now when the lord appears in thy heart , thou canst not stand before him : now comes cain in thee to be driven from the face of god , to be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth , not withstanding all his sacrifices ; and esau in thee reprobated , never to have the blessing , though he seek it with tears ; and the bond woman and her●…son cast out , and the first adam now slain with the sharp sword that goeth out of the mouth of the lamb , and art made to give up thy soul to god , whose it is , to do with thee what he will ; if he destroy thee forever , he may ; and if he save thee from eternal death , it is his free love . now art thou baptized with christ into his sufferings and death , where thou liest sealed down under the eternal judgment of god , and there perishest forever , for any power or help thou hast in thy self ; and this is the administration of moses , where thou liest condemned forever under the righteous law without any help or hope , until the administration of the prophets , that prophesie of a christ that hath satisfied the righteous law of god for thee , who art lost and condemned under the power of the law of moses : and now there is a secret hope raised up in thy soul , and thou lookest up from under the condemning power of moses for a saviour : and the prophets are until john , and of all that were horn of women there was not one greater then john , for he is a burning and shining light , that lets thee fee the filthiness of thy heart ; and the law shines in its purity to condemn the earthly man in thee , bu the strengthens the hope in thee that was raised up by the prophets , to see the beauty and excellency of jesus christ , which ravished thy lost condemned soul , that thou art willing to sell all for him , the scripture now being fulfilled in thee who witnesseth this from the days of john even until now ; the kingdom of god suffereth violence , and the violent take it by force : now is every mountain and hill laid low in thee , and crooked wayes made straight , and the rough way in thee made smooth , and thou waitest in the wilderness and lost condition of thy self for the salvation of god , to be manifest to thee in jesus christ ; and in the appointed time of the father , the son of man comes to thy soul as a thief in the night , as the lightening from the east to the west , so is his appearance in thee , and causeth thy ●…ead soul to hear his voice , which witnesseth to it eternal life freely through his own blood ; and thy soul hears his voice , and by the word of his power is made to live , and is sealed up by the holy spirit of promise , the spirit of god bearing witness with thy spirit that thou art his child : now comest thou to witness the second adam to be a quickening spirit , and isaac the promised seed to be heir forever ; and that the wages of sin is death , but the gift of god is eternal life : and that by grace thou are saved , through faith in the lord jesus ; not of works , left any should boast : and he that hath hope in him , purifieth himself as he is pure , and the love of christ constrains thee now , who can●…t witness this work of regeneration manifest in thee , to follow him whither soever he goes ; no more to obey him for life , as thou didst , when thou wast without , seeking him in forms and observations , but now the love and life thou enjoyst in christ jesus constrains thee to deny thy self , and take up th●… corss daily and follow him . now art thou come into the beginning to live in the lord , guided by the powerful word of faith , the light that shines in thy heart , which is the light of the city , new jerusalem , to whom thou art come to worship the father in spirit and truth ; and all that are come to walk in the light of the city new jerusalem , are the true israel of god , that are taught of god , to whom the new and everlasting covenant is made , according to the promise of the lord ; this is the covenant i will make with the house of israel , and with the house of judah ; after those days , saith the lord , i will put my law in their inward parts , and write it in their hearts ; and i will be to them a god , and they shall be to me a people . and they shall teach no more every man his neighbour , nor every man his brother , saying , know the lord , for they shall all know me from the least of them to the greatest of them ; i will be merciful unto their unrighteousness , and their sins and their iniquities will i remember no more . and in this city there is no need of the sun , neither of the moon to shine in it , which are borrowed lights , outward dispensations , and teachings of men ; for the glory of the lord god doth lighten it , and the lamb is the light thereof . and the nations of them that are saved shall walk in the light of it ; and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honour unto it ; and there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth , neither what soever worketh abomination or maketh a lye ; but they ever which are written in the lamb's book of life : and the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day , for there shall be no night there , for the lord god giveth them light , and they shall reign for ever and ever . hallelujah to the highest . to all revolted souls , who have departed from the counsel of the lord , and are made drunk with the wine of the wrath of the fornication of the whore , bewitched with the mother of witch-craft , to return unto spiritual sodom and egypt , where our lord is crucified . vvhoever thou art , in whom the righteous law of god , jesus christ , the light , in thee hath cryed through thy earthly heart for righteousness & judgment , & there thou didst stand arraigned before the throne of the lamb , where the book was opened in thee , & written therein all the deeds thou hast done in the body , and the sentence of wrath and judgment passed out of the mouth of the lamb on thee for every idle word , and all that thou hast done ; and in this thy condemned estate , thou rannest to and fro to hide thee from the wrath of the lamb , in reforming thy wayes , and strictly observin●… that thou wast convinced of to be the will of god ; but what way soever thou turnedst in thine obedience towards god , to get life , thither the flaming sword turned that proceeded out of the mouth of the lamb , & cut thee down , and cast thee into hell , where thou layst weeping and wailing under the wrath of god , sealed down under his eternal judgment for evermore , for any help or power thou hadst in thy self , until jesus christ manifested eternal love and mercy freely to thy poor lost condemned soul , and raised thee up to a lively hope , and sealed thee up in the covenant of life with his own blood . now after the witnesses have sealed up their testimony , the beast , which is thy will , that ascends out of the bottomless pit of thy deceived heart , which is deceitful and desperately wicked , hath made war against the witnesses , christ in thee , and ●…ain them , and they lie dead in the spiritual city of sodom and egypt , where our lord is crucified ; and thou art made drunk with the wine of the wrath of the fornication of the whore , and bewitched with her witchcrafts , who now tells thee , whom he loves he loves to the end , and to the pure all things are pure ; thou art no more under the law but under grace , and all things are alike ; that when thou disobeyest the pure law , which once had power over thee , and yet witnesseth against thee secretly , crying in thy heart , use thy liberty , but not as an occasion to the flesh , that regardest not the counsel of the lord , but hearkenest to the mother of harlots in thee , and causeth thee to wrest the scriptures to thy own destruction , and tells thee , the law hath no power over thee , that thou art under grace , it is but the law in thy members that wars against th●… law in thy mind , the acting of the humanity , which acts in its place , that the grace of god may appear more gloriously ; god sees no sin in thee , for it is no more thou , but sin that dwells in thee , and the former misery thou wast in under the wrath of god , for the disobeying of the righteous law thou now treadst under thy feet , and lies slain in spiritual sodom and egypt in thy heart , yet not put in the grave , but lies in thy sight , and lets thee see the evil of thy doings , and vexes and torments thy earthly and carnal heart in the midst of all thy joy : but the whore in thee , tells thee , that the former trouble thou wast in , was through the ignorance of god , but now thou are grown up to a higher stature in christ , to see nothing but love in whatsoever thou dost , & now thou knowest nothing but to eat , and to drink , and to be merry , for the children of the bride-chamber cannot mourn while the bridgroom is with them ; time was thou didst mourn , but it was when the bridegroom was not with thee ; but now the winner is past , and summer come , and singing of birds is heard in thy land ; and now wash thy face , and anoint thy head with oyl , that thou appear no more before men , as thou 〈◊〉 when thou wast a pharisee : now to be a friend to publicans and sinners , and become all to all , that thou mayest win some , and whatever thou dost , it is god that acts thee , for thou art not stronger then he to resist him ; and if he would have it otherways , how could●… thou hinder it ? so it is as it must be , and it cannot be other ways . thus the subtil serpent wind●… into the mind of man , and causes him to wrest the scriptures to his own destruction , to draw back into perdition . wo , wo unto thee , thou backslider in heart who chargest god , who i●… purity it self , to be the author of sin , and the actor of thee in all thy silthy and unrighteous walking , and hast turned the grace of god into wantonness , & takest liberty to sin , because grace abounds , and makest the coming of christ ( who came to fulfill the law ) to destroy it , through the evil of thy heart , that when the righteous law cryes in thee for purity , and condemns thee for thy unrighteous walking , then thou fleest to the free grace in christ to save thee from the power of the law , but thou shalt find the law hath power over the fleshly man as long as he lives , and the fleshly man that now guides thee , is under the law , until it be destroyed through faith in jesu christ ; for he came not to destroy the law , but to fulfil it , and the saints witness it , though thou wrest the words of paul ( when he declared his condition before he came to the fulness of stature in christ ) to thy own destruction : i see a law in my members warring against the law of my mind , bringing me into captivity to the law of sin , which is in my members ; but he gave not up himself to be a servant of ●…in , as thou dost , it was his burthen that made him to cry , o wretched man that i am ! who shall deliver me from this body of death ? and he waited in the faith until he was freed , rom. 8. 2. for the law of the spirit of life in christ jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death , that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us , who walk not after the flesh , but after the spirit . he witnessed christ come in him to fulfill the law , and so do all the saints now , according to their growth ; some witness the law fulfilled in them , and others are waiting in the faith patiently , following the lord daily through the cross , until the law be fulfilled . but thou art departed from the counsel of the lord thy god , and causest his name to be evil spoken of , and hast made the hearts of his people sad , as they did that the apostle speaks of ; for many walk , of whom i have told you often , and now tell you even weeping , that they are enemies to the cross of christ ; whose end is destruction , whose god is their belly , whose glory is their shame , who mind earthly things . these scriptures are fulfilled in thee , which the apostle mentions , and while they promise them liberty , they themselves are the servants of corruption ; for of whom a man is overcome , of the same is he brought into bondage : for if after they have escaped the polution of the world , through the knowledge of the lord and saviour jesus christ , they are again entangled therein and overcome , the later end of them is worse with them than the beginning : for it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness , then after they have known it , to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them : but it happened unto ●…hem according to the true proverb , the dog is turned to his own vomit again , & the sow that was washed , to her wallowing in the mire . and thou mayest read what will be manifest to thee from the lord . for if we sin wilfully , after we have received the knowledge of the truth , there remains no more sacrifice for sin , but a fearful looking for of judgment , and f●…erce indignation , which shall devour the adversaries . he that despised moses law dyed without mercy , how much sorer punishment supposest thou , shalt thou be thought worthy of ? who hast troden under foot the son of god , and hast counted the blood of the covenant , wherewith thou wast sanctified , an unholy thing , and hast done despight to the spirit of grace , and we know him that hath said , vengeance belonget●… unto me , i will reco●…pence , saith the lord : it is a feareful thing to fall into the hands of the living god . remember from whence thou art fallen , repent , and do thy first work , in minding that light of jesus christ in thee , before whom thou once stoodst condemned , for that thou now livest in : prize the time , and give up to be guided by the counsel of the lord in thee , the light of thy conscience , that discovers every vain thought ; wait on the power that is present with the light , and it will dash babylons childern against the stones , which is sin in its conception , so will thy carnal mind be brought to the cross daily , and thy heart will be purged with the spirit of judgment , and the spirit of burning : kiss the son in obeying his counsel , the light in thee , lest thou perish in the way ; for if his anger be kindled a little , blessed are they that trust in him . the discovery of mystery babylon , to all enslaved captives in babylons's kingdom , who are made drunk with the wine of ●…he w●…ath of her fornications , and bewitched through the multitude of her inchantments . friends , babylon is within you , the mother of harlots is within you , and she bewitcheth you through the abundance of her sorceries : and the beast is within you , that ariseth out of the bottomless pit of the deceived heart , which is deceitful and desperately wicked ; and the beast which all the world wonders after , is your wills that make war against the lamb of god in you , which is the light that makes manifest the evil of your hearts , and your wisdom is the great whore that sits upon the beast , that ariseth out of the bottomless pit of the deceitful heart , and she finds out many deceitful inventions to preserve the beastly will alive , having a golden cup in her hand , full of the abominations of the earth , and this golden cup is your outward professions , glorious comprehensions and conceivements of god and christ , imitating what the saints did in power , according as they were moved by the operation of the spirit of the most high god , and you imitate the saints practice by your wisdom . there is nothing but confusion in the kingdom of babylon ; so come you to be divided into so many particular forms , as presbyterians , imdependants , anabaptists , and divers others , that are in outward worships , painted over with glorious words ; and yet you whose wills guide you , are painted beasts , bewitched with the mother of harlots , notwithstanding all your outward professions and glorious observations , they are but the golden cup , and within you are full of the abominations of the earth , as self-love , covetousness , ●…usts , uncleanness , frowardness , backbiting , slandering , hard-heartedness , cruelty and oppression , grinding the faces of the poor , impatiency and unbelief , and the fear of the lord is not before your eyes ; and thus you lie enslaved captives in the kingdom of babylon , refreshing your hearts in the creature enjoyments , which will perish ; some in father and mother , some in wife and children , some in house and land , some in gold and silver ; some in the self wisdom , delighting in themselves ; some in honour and preferment in this world : and when there is enjoyment of these visible creatures , then there is content ; and when they are taken away there is trouble , the mind alwayes plotting , contriving , and acting every way to get of the creatures what the heart lusteth after , and he that gets the most is highest exalted ; so every one is exalted above another , and there is nothing but tyranny , cruelty and oppression among you , you sous and daughters of babylon ; and in her was found the blood of the prophets , and of the saiuts , and all that were slain upon the earth . the merchants of babylon are your teachers , who draw you from your guide , which is the pure light of christ in you , to seek the kingdom of god in observations without you , contrary to the mind of christ : the kingdom of god comes not with observations , neither shall they say lo here , or lo there ; for behold , the kingdom of god is within you . but these your merchants have no scripture for their merchandize which they sell to you enslaved captives for so many hundreds in the year , and is paid in the nation , or elsewhere ; for these observations , they tell you , you must observe , or else you cannot come to the kingdom of heaven , though they are contrary to the scriptures , as are practised by them , there is no scripture that witnesseth their call to the ministry by humane wisdom ; not many great , not many noble , not many wise after the flesh . there is no scripture which testifies of any that jesus christ sent forth that made a bargain with the people for so much a year , as th●…se do , that profess themselves to be sent of christ . this is the call of the ministers of christ , paul an apostle of jesus christ , neither of man , nor by man , but by the revelation of jesus christ . i send you forth ( saith jesus christ ) as lambs among wolves : into what town or city ye enter , enquire who is worthy ; and if they receive you , there abide eating such things as are set before you ; the labourer is worthy of his meat : freely ye have received , freely minister . those whom jesus christ commits the word of eternal life unto , and calls them forth to declare it unto others , the love of jesus christ , which is sealed up to their souls through his own blood , constrains them to give up themselves to death , in witnessing forth the eternal life they enjoy in christ ; as it was , it is , the love of christ constrainet●… 〈◊〉 t●… preach the gospel , saith paul : but these your merchants are they which have forsaken the right way , and are gone astray following the way of balaa●… the son of b●…sor , who loved the wages of unrighteousness . and as there is no scripture for their call to the ministry by their human learning , nor making bargains with the people for so much in the year ; so there is no scripture for these observations they call ordinances of god , as they are practised by them there is no scripture , that christ , or any that he sent forth , did take a child and sprinkle water on its face , and said in so doing , they baptized it into the church of christ . suffer little children to come unto me , saith christ , and forbid them not , for such is the kingdom of god ; whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of god as a little child , shall not enter therein ; he sets the child as a type and a figure to shew forth to every one , that they must become as a little child depending upon the will of god , before they enter into the kingdom of god : he took them up into his arms and put his hands on them , and blessed them , but that he sprinkled water on their faces , and said , he baptized them into his church , there is no such scripture . another observation your teachers tell you , you must observe , is , hearing these studied sermons , in taking a part of scripture , and adding to it their wisdom , call it the word of god , which is contrary to the scriptures ; but they say , they have christ for an example . there was delivered to him the book of the prophet i saiah , & when he had opened the book , ●…oe found where it was written , the spirit of the lord is upon me , because he hath anointed me to preach the gosp●…l unto the poor , he hath sent me to heal the broken-hearted , to preach deliverance to the captives : and recovering of the sight of the blind , and to set at liberty them that are bruised , to preach the acceptable year of the lord . and he closed the book , and sate down ; and he began to say unto them , this day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears : and all bare him witness , and wondered at the gracious words that proceeded out of his mouth ; he was the substance of the prophecy , which was then fulfill'd in him . this is no ground for any to take the saints words , and to add to them their wisdom , and call that the word of god . the prophet that hath a dream , let him tell a dream : he that hath my word , let him speak my word faithfully . what is the chaff to the wheat saith , the lord ? is not my word like a fire , and like a hammer , saith the lord , that breaks the rocks in pieces ? all to whom the word of the lord is committed , can witness it to be as a fire within them , and as an hammer that breaks the rocks in pieces , subjecting all in the heart under the power of it self , so it alone rules and guides him ; that he is what he speaks ; that if he had never seen any thing that the saints have declared without him , he had known what is manifest in him ; and he to whom the word is thus made manifest , is a true minister of christ , who is called to speak the word faithfully . but these , that call themselves , your teachers and make bargains with you , for so much by the year , they never witnessed the word of the lord , in them , as a fire , and like a hammer that breaketh the rocks in pieces ; so they never had any thing to have spoken of the lord ; but as they have stoln it from the testimony of the saints , so they speak a divination of their own brain a riddle to their own hearts , and whilst they speak to others , themselves are cast-aways . and the lord testifies against them , behold , i am against the prophets , saith the lord , that steal my word every one from his neighbour . behold , i am against the prophets , saith the lord , that use their tongue , and say , he saith . behold , i am against them that prophesie false droams , saith the lord , and do tell them , and cause my people to err by their lyes , and by their lightness , yet i sent them not , nor commanded them ; therefore they shall not profit the people as all , saith the lord : and this fruit is made manifest of the ministry that hath been in england . another observation your teachers bid you observe which is contrary to scripture , as it is practised by them in singing of david's psalms in meeter , taking david's words , who was a man after god's own heart , and putting words into the mouthes of poor ignorant people to sing that which they never knew , and so cause them to blaspheme the name of god , saying ; let us sing to the praise and glory of god , as , o lord i am not puft in mind , i have no scornful eye , i do not exercise my self in things that are too high : when they never knew any change wrought in their minds , and so causeth the people to lye . and causing them to sing david's prayers , as o lord rebuke me not in thy wrath , neither chasten me in thy hot displeasure , for thine arrows stick fast in me , and thine hand presseth me sore : for mine iniquities are gone over mine head , as an heavy burden , they are too heavy for me to bear ; my wounds stink , and are corrupt , because of my foolishness ; i am troubled , i am bowed down greatly , i go mourning all the day long : and may be none of you in all that place can witness the condition , and so blaspheme the name of god , who will be worshipped in spirit and in truth : and this is the rule given out from him , if any be afflicted , let him pray , if any be merry , let him sing psalms : and there is none merry but the ransomed of the lord , who return to sion with joy and singing , and everlasting joy shall be upon their heads , they shall obtain joy and gladness , and sorrow and sighing shall flee away . all people may search the scriptures , and see how you have been deceived by your teachers , who have caused you to seek your lost god in carnal & dead observations which they have not any scripture for ; all cease from them ; for the lord complains of them , the loaders of my people causo them to err , saith the lord of hosts ; and now are these scriptures fulfilled in these men , which the apostle prophesied of . this know also , that in the last days perilous ti●…es shall come ; for men shall be lovers of their own selves , covetous , proud , boasters , blasphemers , disobedient to parents , unthankful , unholy . all people see , are not your teachers so , self-lovers ? before they come at you , they must know what they must have , covetous , griping for much ; & if you will not give them so much as they can have in another place , they will not come at you : here is self-love and covetousness manifested ; — without natural affection , truce-breakers , false accusers , traytors , heady , high-minded , lovers of pleasures more then lovers of god , having a form of godliness , but denying the power thereof , from such the apostle exhorts to turn away . all people , behold and see , all these scriptures are fulfilled in your teachers : they spake against pride , and live in it ; against covetousness , and live in it : they teach by words to be naturally affectionate one towards another , and they walk contrary , causing poor people to pay to maintain them in pride and high ranks in the earth , who can scarce get bread for their bellies , and clothes for their backs ; yet they force them to pay them , being void of all natural affections : and they are truce-breakers , breaking all bonds and covenants , if they can get more money in another place . thus , they shew forth to all the world , that they are lovers of pleasures more then lovers of god , and have a form of godliness in words , but deny the power thereof ; from such turn away : for of this sort are they which creep into houses , & lead captive silly women , laden with sin & divers lusts . these scriptures are fulfilled in your teachers , every one hath his particular house to creep into , where none must come but themselves , or whom they please , which is contrary to the practice of christ , or any that he sent forth●…they went through the countries , towns , cities and villages , according as they were guided by the spirit of god , to declare what he gave them to spake ; and your teachers lead silly woman captive , laden with sin , and led away with divers lusts , ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth . do not they tell you to look for christ's coming in such observations as they set up ? which are nothing but the inventions of their brains ; for christ tells you , the kingdom of god comes not with observations , but is within you . but many of them deny , that the light in your consciences , which makes manifest the evil of your hearts , to be the kingdom of god , calling it the light of a corrupt conscience , so shut the kingdom of heaven against men , and will neither enter in themselves to be guided by the pure light of the kingdom of christ within them , nor suffer them that are entering in , to enter , as the scribes and pharisees did : now as jannes and jambres withstood moses , so do these men resist the truth , men of corrupt minds , reprobates concerning the faith : but they shall proceed no further , for their folly shall be made manifest to all men , as theirs also was : and no man shall buy their merchandize any more . all you enslaved captives in the kingdom of babylon , why will you lay out your money for that which is not bread , and your labour for that which satisfies not ? hearken diligently unto jesus christ , the light , that lets you see the evil of your hearts , to be guided by it , and you shall eat that which is good . encline your ears , saith christ , and come unto me ; hear and your souls shall live , and i will make an everlasting covenant with you , even the sure mercies of david : mind the call of a powerful and tender father in the lord jesus , who calls , come forth of babylon my people , & touch no unclean thing , and i will rceieve you , and will be a father unto you , and ye shall be my sons and daughters , saith the lord god almighty . friends , prize your time , slight not the day of the lord's mercy , fo●… he waits to be gracious , and saith , i stretch forth my arm all the day long to a back-sliding and gain-saying people . every one mind your conditions , deal justly with your own hearts , fee what your hearts have fellowship with , and guide your minds ; for the kingdom of christ is within you , it is not in observations , as your teachers tell you , for they deceive you ; therefore christ forewarn'd us for looking forth at those which would come in the latter days , that would say , lo here is christ , lo there is christ , as it is in these our days , some say , lo here is christ , in the presbyterian practise ; the independants say , he is there , and the anabaptists say , lo he is here . but friends , mind what christ saith unto you , believe them not , look not forth , the kingdom of christ is not in any of those , nor in any other outward observations , but ( be warned ) the kingdom of christ is in you , and that is the light that lets you see the evil of your hearts : and christ compares it to a grain of mustard-seed , the least of all seeds , and it grows up above all other herbs , and becomes a tree that the fowls of the air lodge therein ; and he compares it to a little leaven , that a woman took and hid in three measures of meal , and it leavened the whole lump . these are earthly parables and figures , which christ lays down , speaking to the earthly and carnal heart of man , that he might read his condition within . therefore despise not the day of small things , but mind the counsel of the lord jesus , the little light , that shines in thy dark heart ; look upon the figures , the parables . the little leaven which is hid in three measures of meal , it changeth the whele lump into the nature of it self : so the little light that shines in thy dark heart , is the powerful word of faith , which was in the beginning , by which all things were created , and without him was nothing made ; this word is life , and the life is the light of men , and light shines in darkness , and the darkness comprehends it not ; this light is the word of faith the apostle exhorted to take heed unto ; say not in thy heart , who shall ascend up to heaven to fetch christ down ? or down into the deep to fetch him up ? the word is nigh thee in thy heart and in thy mouth , and this is the word of faith which we preach , the unctio●… of the holy one , given of the father , whereby we need not teach one another , but as the anointing teacheth us , which is truth , and no lye , which is the sure word of prophecy , whereunto ye do well to take heed , as unto a light shining in a dark place , until the day dawn , and the day-star arise in your hearts . all people return within , give up your selves freely to be guided by that light , that discovers to you the evil of your hearts ; and none be discour●…ged , because you see an evil heart , but prize the love of god that discovers it to you ; and whatever the light makes manifest to you to be evil , wait on the lord for power , and he will give thee power to obey , and in being faithful in a little , more will be communicated from the lord ; so will the righteous law be set up in your hearts , that will cry through your earthly and carnal hearts for righteousness and judgment , and so will bring y●…u to an account for every idle word , and all deeds done in the body : look up unto the l●…rd , against whom you have sinned , and he will arm you with power , to what he lays upon you , with patience to undergo his will , until all the powers of the earth in you be fa●…ished and slain under his righteous judgments ; then will judgment be brought forth into victory , that you can no longer live without the loving-kindness of your father in christ jesus . now is the parable fulfilled , the little grain of mustard seed grown up above all herbs ; and the little leaven hath leavened the whole lump ; and the prodigal starved forever , if his father receive him not freely into his house . thou that canst witness this condition stand still in the will of god , he will raise up his seed in thee to trust in his name , and to delight in the eternal covenant of love and life , he hath made with thy soul in the lord jesus christ , and will guide thee by the word of his power , in a way thou knowest not , forth of babylon ( where thou wast an enslaved captive , under the power of the filthy beast , which is thy will , and the whore , the mother of witchcrafts , which is thy wisdom , which enthrall'd thee under the powers of darkness , to satisfie the lust of thy own heart , which led thee to destruction ) up to sion , to live by faith in the lord jesus , which will purifie thy heart , and set thy soul free from under the powers of darkness , into the glorious liberty of the sons of god , where thou shalt sing the songs of sion , hallelujahs and praises for evermore , unto the lord god that sits upon the throne , and to the lamb forever and ever . w. d. to all enslaved , hard-hearted , and unbelieving jews in this nation and else-where , who are made drunk with the wisdom of the whore , and bewitched through the abundance of her sorceries , to put the day of the lord afar off , looking for christ's coming in the spirit , as the hard-hearted , unbelieving jews in the letter , did for his coming in the flesh , according to the promise , but they limitted the holy one , according to their carnal wisdom , expected his coming in great pomp and glory ; and when he came in that poor despised way , contrary to their expectations , they stumbled at him , and would not own him to be their saviour , but rose up against him , and put him to death , mat. 27. i : to vers. 50. behold you hard hearted and unbelieving jews , do you not look for christ coming in the spirit , according to his promise , as they did for his coming in the flesh ? but you limit the holy one , as they did , expecting christ to come in power and glory , according to your own fancies ; and so put the day of the lord afar off you , in rejecting and despi●…ng the counsel of jesus christ , the pure light in your conscienees , which lets you see every evil thought , word and action , and cryes behind you , this is the way , walk in it ; but you disobey the light , and hearken to the counsel of your hearts , as the jews in the letter did , who put christ to death ; and so you slay the witnesses in spiritual sodom and egypt in your hearts , where our lord is crucified , in not regarding the counsel of christ , which is that light that shines in your dark hearts , which knocks at the door , according to his word , i stand at the door and knock , if any man hear my voice , and open the door , i will come in to him , and will sup with him , and he with me . oh! thou enslaved soul under the power of babylon in thee , come forth , mind the light in thee , which is the sure word of prophecy , whereunto you do well to take heed , as unto a light shining in a dark place , until the day dawn , and the day-star arise in your hearts ; stand not out against this secret counsel of christ in you , le●… you perish in your gain sayings ; for if his anger be kindled a little , blessed are all they that trust in him : all give up , give up freely to be guided by the counsel of the lord , the light in you , believing in his power that is present with the light ; he will lead you daily through the cross , in the st●…aight way of his sufferings and death , where the old man will be put off with hi●… deeds , and so you shall have right to the tree of life , and shall enter with him through the gates into the city , new jer●…salem , where you shall have communion with the father and the son , and an inheritance with those that are sanctified in christ jesus , and shall reign as kings upon the earth , to the praise & glory of the riches of the grace of our heavenly father , to whom alone be all power , dominion , honour and glory , forever and ever . w. d. a word from the lord to all that are waiting on the lord in sion , and to those that are weeping , and are seeking the lord their god , asking the way to sion , with their faces thitherwards . fear not ye mourners in sion , the lord waits on you to be gracious unto you ; and though he give you the bread of adversity now , and the water of affliction , yet shall not your teachers be removed into corners any more , but your eyes shall see your teachers , and your ears shall hear a voice behind you , saying , this is the way , walk in it , when you turn to the right hand , or the left ; therefore every one of you , mind the light , which is of jesus christ , in you , that judgeth the unrighteousness of your hearts ; give up to be guided by the pure light in you , which is your teacher , the counsel of jesus christ , and it will bring judgment forth unto victory ; and whatever he makes manifest to you to be his will . wait on the lord in his counsel , and he will give you power to obey , and when you have obeyed his will , take heed of departing from the counsel of the lord , which is , the light within you , to hearken to the counsel of your own hearts , which will draw your minds to look back at your obedience , and the experiences you have passed through ; so will the beast which received a deadly wound with the sword , the righteous law , that goeth out of the mouth of the lamb in you , his deadly wound will be healed ( and sits a painted beast above the cross of christ , working lying wonders in your hearts , & imitating the operation of the power of god , who is purifying his sons and daughters with the spirit of judgment , and the spirit of burning ) and the beast in you , that tasted of the power of god , when he received his deadly wound under the justice of god , now can imitate the same in deceit , and cause fire to come down from he●…en in the sight of men , intimating the operation of the spirit of burning , and so deceives himself and all that dwell upon the earth , he is made manifest to all that dwell in the heavenly light in their hearts : all friends , mind you●…watch ; for the adversary , the devil , goes about like a roaring lyon , seeking whom he may devour ; abide in the counsel of the lord , which is the light in you , and you will discern between the beast , which is antichrist in his lying wonders , and the lamb jesus christ , in the operation of his power ; so you will come to try the spirits , whether they be of god , yea or nay ; all that are guided by the beast have their life in speaking and acting in outward operations what they once experienced , and what they comprehended to be truth , speaking that they enjoy not , and are exalted in pride , the heart returned into the earth : but thou that art guided by the lamb , the light in thy conscience , the righteous law cryes through thy earthly heart , and bring●… it to judgment , and thou canst find no life in the operation of the power of god , nor in thy obedience , but whilst the presence of the lord is with thee in it ; and when thou ha●… done the will of god , in obeying what he hath made known unto thee , thou see●…t thy self to be an unprofitable servant , and hast need of patience , that thou may est receive the promise , where thy life is hid with christ in god , to save thee freely for his names sake , or else thou perishest , and to carry thee on by his mighty power , or else thou fallest ; so thou haft nothing to glory in , but in the lord . and as they that are guided by the beast ( which is antichrist ) spake , of the truth , a riddle to their own hearts , not knowing the power and life of what they speak , adding to the word of the lord , and the plagues & curse of god will be added unto them : but thou art guided by the lamb jesus christ ; thou knowest when the word of the lord is committed to thee ; if any have my word , saith the lord , let him speak my word faithfully : is not my word like a fire , saith the lord , and like an hammer , that breaketh the rocks in pieces ? thou canst witness the word of the lord , to be as a fire , and as a hammer , to break the rocks in pieces in thee , and bring down all in thee in subjection to itself , and it alone rules in thee : and thou that canst witness the word of the lord thus manifested in thee , thou art a true messenger of the lord , let not the deceit stop thy mouth ; for the word of the lord that calls thee to speak , shall perfect his work for which he is sent . all friends , stand fast in the counsel and will of god , be faithful in following the lamb daily through the cross , and none be discouraged : in temptations be content ; look up to the lord to keep you in the hour of temptations ; for it is no sin to be tempted , but to yield to the tempter : and when the lord delivers you from the power of the tempter , watch that your will get not from under the cross , but sink down into the love of god : and every one be content in what the lord hath made manifest to you , and be faithful according to your talents , and more will be communicated to you : and none look forth at others conditions ; for if you do , the enemy will cause you to stumble , and you will come to a loss in your own condition : wait patiently in the counsel of the lord , the light in you ; for he is making a short work in the earth , that you that come into the vineyard at the eleaventh hour , shall receive as much as they that came in at the third hour , and have laboured in the heat of the day . all ye children of the lord , lift up your heads , behold your king riding in majesty and power , upon the wild ass colt , which is your wild nature , subjecting it to himself , that you may enter with him through the gates of the city into the new jerusalem , where there enters nothing that worketh abomination , and maketh a lye , but what is written in the lamb's book of life ; and there you shall dwell in the banqueting house of the lord forever , feeding upon the feast of fat things , rejoycing in the eternal love and mercy of your souls , in the free covenant of life , in the blood of christ , who is the lord of lords , and king of kings , god blessed forever ; who is riding on in majesty and in power , conquering and to conquer all the powers of darkness in the hearts of his saints , that they may reign as kings upon the earth , to the praise and glory of our god , who is taking unto him his great power , to reign in his saints for evermore ; to whom alor●… be all honour , glory , power , and eternal praises forever . w. d. a word of consolation unto the child of light , that yet sits in darkness , being deeply afflicted and wounded in spirit , through ignorance of salvation in the new covenant , in christ jesus , the light . dear child , of the birth of the immortal seed , which crieth over all the world , and beyond all the pleasure , pomp and vanity therein , for the enjoyment of the light countenance of god ; fear thou not , neither be thou discouraged because of the violent assaults of the enemy , who seeks to draw thee into the carnal reasonings of thy spirit , and in it to kindle a fire to thy self , and cause thee to walk in the light of the sparks that thou hast kindled ; and this hast thou at the hand of the lord , in thy going from his counsel , lyest down in sorrow ; few know thy great distress , but to the lord it is known , and to them that had , and walked in the same paths . o thou beloved babe , who lyest in the deep sence of the working of the evil one in thy mind , and many times art ready to say , never was any like unto me , neither any sorrow like unto my sorrow ! and in this languishing despairing mournings of thy soul , all things made bitter unto thee as the waters of marah ; thus art thou driven from all comfort , as a child without a father , and a desolate widdow without a husband , and as a stranger that no eye pitieth , in thy apprehension ; sometimes saying in thy heart , in the heat of the temptation , and the fire that thou hast kindled ; oh that i had been any creature but what i am , or if it were the will of the lord , that he would shorten my dayes , that i might not be any longer on earth to sin against him ! for in thy own sence and feeling thou walking in the sparks thou hast kindled in carnal reasonings thou deservest not any thing but wrath , horror , misery & distress on every side , and great languishings that thy days were shortned , secretly crying out in thine heart , o'th at i were alone in the wilderness , or in any cave or den in the earth , that i might never ses nor hear any of the sons of men any more ; but in the secret retiredness even roar & mourn out my days until 〈◊〉 dye . o thou royal child of the birth of the morning of the pure eternal day of the god of israel , hearken no longer to the enemy , who saith , there hath none travelled where thou art , nor none drunk of the cup that thou art drinking ; he is a lyar , who goes about to destroy thy precious soul : in the word of the lord god i declare unto thee , i drank the same cup with my faithful friends , who are born of the royal seed ; every one in their measures travelled in the same path , and have endur'd the same temptations , and walk'd in the light of the same sparks , and laid down in sorrow , in the sence of the same misery , as thou mournest under this day ; no longer lend an ear to the enemy & the thoughts of thy heart : arise , arise , in the light of the covenant , stay thy heart , and the lord will throw down the enemy of thy peace , destroy the carnal reasonings of thy mind , put out the fire that thou hast kindled , and he will deliver thee out of the horrible pit , and set thy feet upon the rock of ages ; and thou shalt tread down the enemies of thy soul , in the sensible feeling of the love of the father , who will manifest himself to be a father to the fatherless in thee , and an husband to the mournful widow , and a comforter to the immortal babe that mourns in thee , in the uprightness of thy heart to do the will of the living god : so , in the power of his might stay thine heart , and tread upon all doubts , fears , dispairing thoughts , questionings , reasonings , musings , imaginations & consultings ; arise over them all in the light of christ , he will lead thee into the banqueting house of the pleasure of our god , where thou shalt sit down with me , and all the redeemed of my father , who are born of the immortal seed , and have pass'd through great tribulations , & have wash'd our garments and made them white in the blood of the lamb ; therefore do we now stand before the throne of god , praising him day and night in his holy temple . and this shall be the portion of thy cup , if thou diligently hearken to the counsel of the lord , which calleth thee to trust in him , he will embrace thee in the arms of his love , and thou shalt praise his name forever . god almighty in his light & life , raise up thy soul , and establish thy heart in his counsel , stedfastly to wait in his power , to lead thee in the cross , out of all unbelief , and cause thee to lie down at rest in obedience to his will , where thou shalt drink the cup of salvation forever . farewel . william dewsbury . the vvofull cry of unjust persecutions, and grevious oppressions of the people of god in england, through the injustice of some of her rulers, and wikednesse of teachers and people, who hasten to fulfil the measure of their forefathers cruelty. with a lamentation over them all who rewards the lord evill for good, and is a warning to them all for repentance; shewing that the coming of the lord is nigh. and this may serve for an answer in full, to all such who have persecuted by violence, by word or writing the innocent people in scorn called quakers. with a short addition, which shewes unto all, the ground of persecution; in its first cause, and the enmity which is betwixt the two seeds, is clearly discovered, by a friend to the suffering seed of god, e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a77975 of text r207590 in the english short title catalog (thomason e927_1). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 78 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 20 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a77975 wing b6058 thomason e927_1 estc r207590 99866631 99866631 118908 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a77975) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 118908) images scanned from microfilm: (thomason tracts ; 139:e927[1]) the vvofull cry of unjust persecutions, and grevious oppressions of the people of god in england, through the injustice of some of her rulers, and wikednesse of teachers and people, who hasten to fulfil the measure of their forefathers cruelty. with a lamentation over them all who rewards the lord evill for good, and is a warning to them all for repentance; shewing that the coming of the lord is nigh. and this may serve for an answer in full, to all such who have persecuted by violence, by word or writing the innocent people in scorn called quakers. with a short addition, which shewes unto all, the ground of persecution; in its first cause, and the enmity which is betwixt the two seeds, is clearly discovered, by a friend to the suffering seed of god, e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. [4], 25 [i.e. 35], [1] p. printed for giles calvert at the black spread-eagle, near the west end of pauls, london : [1657] e.b. = edward burrough. "to the reader" dated: the 7 month 1657. p. 35 misnumbered 25. annotation on thomason copy: "8ber [i.e. october] 22", "1657". reproduction of the original in the british library. eng society of friends -apologetic works -early works to 1800. a77975 r207590 (thomason e927_1). civilwar no the vvofull cry of unjust persecutions, and grevious oppressions of the people of god in england,: through the injustice of some of her rul burrough, edward 1657 14728 8 0 0 0 0 0 5 b the rate of 5 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the b category of texts with fewer than 10 defects per 10,000 words. 2007-04 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2007-04 aptara keyed and coded from proquest page images 2007-10 elspeth healey sampled and proofread 2007-10 elspeth healey text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-02 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion the wofull cry of unjust persecutions , and grievous oppressions of the people of god in england , through the injustice of some of her rulers , and wikednesse of teachers and people , who hasten to fulfil the measure of their forefathers cruelty . with a lamentation over them all who rewards the lord evill for good , and is a warning to them all for repentance ; shewing that the coming of the lord is nigh . and this may serve for an answer in full , to all such who have persecuted by violence , by word or writing the innocent people in scorn called quakers . with a short addition , which shewes unto all , the ground of persecution ; in its first cause , and the enmity which is betwixt the two seeds , is clearly discovered , by a friend to the suffering seed of god , e. b. london , printed for giles calvert at the black spread-eagle , near the west end of pauls . to the reader . reader , this is sent abroad into the world , that all people may see what is brought forth in this generation against the innocent , who suffer cruel things for well doing , and not for evil ; and the words of christ are fullfilled , who said , as they have done unto me , so will they doe unto you : and the time comes , that whosoever kills you he will think that he doth god good service . and this is now come to passe , according as he hath said , to our rejoycing , and to the sorrow of all our enemies . and as any is moved herein , this is to be given to the hands of the persecuters and of them who have done evil against the lords people , as a gift unto them from a friend , who is at present a sufferer under bonds for the testimony of jesus christ , through the wickednesse of men ( but most especially by the supposed minister of this town ) in kingstone upon thames . the 7 month , 1657. the wofull cry of unjust persecutions and grievous oppressions of the people of god , in england , through the injustice of some of her rulers , and wickednesse of teachers and people , who hasten to fullfill the measure of their fore-fathers cruelty . of a truth the lord is arisen , and he hath caused the light of his countenance to shine forth upon his people , his day is dawned , and the brightnesse of his glory is shining forth as the sun at noon day , his everlasting arme is stretched forth to lead out of captivity his own chosen , the days of perfect freedome is approaching , he that brings health , peace & liberty to all nations is come & coming , who will restore the breaches , and subdue all things under himself , that he may reign for ever and ever , who alone is worthy ( for he hath all power in his hand , and he brings to passe whatsoever he will , that all men and nations may fear before him , and tremble at his dreadfull presence , who hath power in his hand ) to change times and lawes , orders , decrees and governments , the hearts of all men he can turn what way he listeth , and he pulleth down one and setteth up another , and whatsoever is in his heart to do , his power can bring it to passe : who would not fear before him and reverence his name ? who would not be afraid to offend him ? who giveth unto man breath and takes it away in a moment ; all nations are as the drop of a bucket before his eternal eye , he dwells in the high and holy place , and his habitation is high above the world ; he inhabits eternity forevermore , and yet abideth , and walketh , and dwelleth with the children of men , that fear his name and tremble at his word ; he hath been as a stranger , as one not known , for men have been seperated from him by transgression , and have been ignorant of his wayes ; he hath been as one hidden for many ages , and hath been worshipped ignorantly , and hath winked in the time of ignorance , but now he calleth all to repentance every where : blessed are they that wait upon him , that they may know him and their souls may live , and now the purpose of his heart is to bring in his scattered people into the fold of peace , where christ jesus is the shepherd , and his people shall dwell in safety , and shall be a free people , to worship him in the spirit and in the truth , and every yoake of bondage shall be broken , and the oppressed shall be set free , and christ shall reign , and his government above shall be established over all the world , mans honour shall be laid in the dust , and the pride of all flesh shall be stained and the glory thereof shall wither as a flower , the loftinesse of all flesh shall be laid low , and the lord alone shall be exalted , and his people , which now are oppressed , shall replenish and fill the earth : all corrupt men and rulers their strength and might shall utterly fail them , and men that fear god and love righteousnesse shall take their place , and all things shall be changed , and the world shall be turned up-side down . but because of this is all the world troubled , and the heathen is on a rage , and the people do imagine vain things , and men of high degree and low degree , and of all sorts , have set themselves against the lord , that they might stop the purpose of the most high , and their hearts within them burn because of envy , and the devil hath stirred up all sorts of people to work for him , and to uphold his kingdom and h●s power , he is come down in great rage , knowing that his time is but short , and hath filled the hearts of all his servants with despite and ravening envy against the seed of god . the heads of the people , they have conspired together against the lord , and against his truth ; and have decreed unrighteous decrees , that they might prevent the purpose of the most high . many of the rulers and judges , as members of the beastly power , rather than of jesus christ , hath unjustly judged and falsly imprisoned and trodden under foot the meek and upright , who fear the lord and walk in his way , even such who have come from under the subjection of the worship and power of the beast , which all the world had wondered after , hath the beast raised his force against . how many hundreds in this nation have been imprisoned falsly , and suffered grievous abuses unjustly for righteousnesse sake , and not for evil doing , as a testimony against this generation of judges and people , and for a testimony that they are of god , who have in patience born the sufferings , and the cruelties of the wicked , many have suffered the losse of liberty and riches , and some the losse of life , for the exercise of a pure conscience towards god , and for the kingdom of jesus , many have suffered under the power of wicked men , for declaring against sin and iniquity , in townes , steeple-houses , or high wayes , and for crying against pride , and vanity , and idolatry , and coveteousnesse , and the wickednesse of rulers , priests , and people , whose deceits and transgressions hath abounded in this generation , and others have deeply suffered grievous cruelties , because they could not swear & respect persons with hat or knee and so were witnesses for the lord and his kingdome , which stands in righteousnesse , and against the power and kingdom of the beast ; which stands in iniquity , in fainednesse and flattering titles , and disobedience to the son of god , and many hundreds are wofull unjust and oppressed sufferers at this day , by false imprisonment and spoiling of goods , because they cannot pay tithes , that abominable and crying oppression , by which the beast chiefly maintains his false prophets , and because the unchangable priesthood is witnesed , and the changable denied , and christ the light of the world followed , therefore is this suffering laid upon the just , and many are sufferers under hard tasks , because they cannot maintain the idol temples , and idol worships , and idol priests , which the power of antichrist upholds against the power of the son of god , and against the new covenant of life , where god in spirit and in truth is worshipped without respect of places , dayes , or men , or things ; and the true worshippers , they worship god in the spirit and in the truth , and cannot be subject to dayes , places , or things , appointed and ordained by the power of men and false prophets ; and how many unjust fines and false inditements have been most illegally charged upon the innocent , in many courts and judicatories through this nation , and all in the defence of the kingdom of the man of sin ; lest his authority should be abated , and the authority of christ jesus exalted ; many cruelties have been done , and injustice acted both by rulers and people , against such which no evil could justly be charged against , nor yet the transgression of any just law , by any one of them ; o! horrid grievances and cruel oppressions hath been brought forth in this nation , by such who should have eased the oppressed , and set at liberty the captives , such who should have judged justly the cause of the poor , and heard the call of the oppressed , have turned judgment backward from the poor , and equity have found no place to enter , but truth hath fallen in the streets , and justice and mercy have perished from among men , and the poor hath been oppressed , and they that have departed from iniquity have been made a prey to the mouthes of devouring lions , for some of the judges have been as ravening wolves , and as greedy devouring foxes , the lambs of christ have been chased by the wicked , and his power for their life ; o how have the oppressed groaned in this nation , under false judgment ? to ages and generations for ever , may it be recorded for a witnesse against this generation of cruel hearted men , whom the beast and false prophet hath raised in his defence , and against the kingdom of christ jesus and them that follow him , how full have the most part of the prisons in all this land been with guiltlesse sufferers under cruel bondage , with unjust dealings and false judgments , have gone forth from some of your mouthes , you that have been set to judge over the people , who should have been a terror to the wicked , but have rather strengthened the hands of evil doers , and been a terror to righteousnesse , so much as is possible , the great whore which sits upon the beast , hath made your rulers drunk and stagger with envy and hatred and persecution , and works of wickednesse against the upright ; wo is me for you , what have you brought forth ? even iniquity by decrees , and injustice by ordinances , and false judgment by lawes ; alas , alas , your destruction cometh as an armed man upon you . was ever the like heard , or any president in any generation before you , for imprisoning just men , for declaring against sin and the abominations of the times , as you have done many , and for imprisoning men because they cannot put off their hat to you and respect your persons , and so transgresse the law of god , and because they cannot swear , and so break christs command ? for this you have imprisoned many , and caused them to suffer because of this , may not you fear and tremble before the lord god , and your faces gather blacknesse at this , when you consider it ? did ever any that were set to judge in the earth among men so abuse their power , and subvert it so , quite to another end than wherefore it was committed to them ? may not shame cover you all , to commit men to prison for the exercise of pure conscience towards god , because they cannot swear , or respect mens persons , or maintain idol-shepherds , and idol-temples and worships , which is abomination to the lord ; and for taking peaceable men out of peaceable meetings , and out of their travel on the high-wayes , and first whipping them , and sending them to prison , the example of this which you have done , never went before in any age and therefore have you exceeded in oppression , in injustice , in cruelty and false judgment ; all your fore-fathers the pope nor bishops , hardly ever brought forth such things ; but the lord will reckon with you , and plead the cause of the oppressed against all you oppressors ; yea , and will give unto you a recompence of reward according to your works ; ye that have exalted your selves against the innocent , shall be brought down to the dust of misery , and the saints shall reign and rejoyce over you , when the kingdom of christ jesus the lamb shall be set up over you all , and your beastly power dashed to pieces as a potters vessel , when he whom you have persecuted and his followers shall rule with a rod of iron , and break you asunder ; and this shall shurely come to passe , therefore consider it , ye that thus deal in your anger against the lord and his chosen , for the lamb shall get the victory over the beast , and over you all that seek to defend him , and that strive under his power ; for they that are with the lamb are called , and faithful , and chosen : o! therefore be awakened , be awakened , ye heads , and judges , and rulers of the people , remember and repent , the lords hand is stretched forth against all oppression and oppressors , and his wrath is kindled against the wicked ones , and his power to overthrow his dominon which long hath reigned in the nations , and now though he seeks to defend himself against the lamb and his followers by injust dealing , yet the out-stretched arme of the lord shall bring deliverance to his chosen , who hath been made havock upon , in their liberties and in their estates ; some cruelly suffering in prison , and others by spoiling of their goods , and none of these for evil doing , but upon false suspitions , and envious jelousies , and secret surmisings , without any ground of occasion given ; but by wickednesse have many of you sought occasion to make offenders , by laying snares for the feet of the harmlesse and innocent ; you have made men offenders for a word , and perverted innocent words and actions , that you might make to your self a ground to persecute , and have sought a cloake to cover your cruelty in the sight of men , but naked and bare are your hearts made manifest in the sight of the lord , who hath looked down from heaven , and considered these things , and hath regarded the unjust sufferings of his people whose liberties , and estates , and good names have been spoiled through injustice , by grievous burthens laid upon some , because they could not pay tythes ( that hainous oppression ) to satisfie the unmercifullnesse of cruel men , and many suffers at this day , unjustly in the sight of god , and illegally also in the sight of men ; and some suffer the spoiling of their goods , rather by way of robery and theft , than by just execution of judgment in proceeding of just law ; this can largely be witnessed , and this is brought forth by subservant officers to you that are set to judge , and you to them are evil examples , and strengtheners of their malitious hands , some of them are not ashamed to take sixtimes the value of what is unjustly claimed for the use of a false teacher and deceitful hireling who rides upon the beast , and make you their servants to oppresse the poor , to uphold them and maintain them in their pride and vanities , but the lord hath considered these things , and he hath numbred the oppressions against you , wherewith the just have been grieved and oppressed under you , he hath counted this cruelty and recorded all your unjust dealing , which you have ( or suffered to be ) brought forth , yea the day of account hasters and the tearm draws near upon you , wherein the just and righteous judge of heaven and earth will call you to account who will plead the cause of the poor , and of the unjust sufferer , and oppressed , against you all , who are oppressors the innocent prosecute against you , and the begging of the poor is heard , which calls for vengeance upon you . in the record of justice , what account will you give to the highest-power , who rules over heaven and earth , for imprisoning just men for crying against sin , and declaring against the wickednesse of this age ; this shall be proved against you in the day of the lord ; is your answer ready , or will not your mouthes be stopped and you speechlesse , when righteousnesse it self pleads against you ? and what can you plead for fining men , and imprisoning them , for not respecting your persons , and bowing with hat and knee , and because they could not swear ; this hath some of you done ; will you have any thing to say in the cause of these things , when christ jesus comes to reign and his saints with him , unto whom the government and the authority , and rule shall be given : though now they are persecuted , and as the refuse of men accounted by you , unto whom they are become a prey , to act your oppression and cruelty upon ; and because they render not evil for evil , therefore is the impudencie of some men the more encreased , and their hardnesse of heart enlarged ; and because judgment is not speedily executed , therefore are the hearts of some men set in them to do evil . o! what a sad reckoning in that day , and what large indictments and verdicts for your oppression , will be read against you , and proved to be just in the sight of god and men ; a sad thing will it be upon you , when laid to your charge by the lord , for causing men to suffer because they could not swear , nor respect persons , nor uphold the deceits of false worships and teachers , nor cease to cry aga●nst sin , in your townes and steeple-houses . o! be stirred up out of your security , you heads , and rulers , and judges , and officers , even all you be awakened who have turned your sword against the peaceable , and been a terror to righteousnesse as much as you could , which you ought not to have been , and so your power you have abused , and subverted it to another end than wherefore it was committed to you : instead of defending the upright you have offended him , and instead of being a terror to the wicked , his hand hath been strengthened through your wicked presidents ; this is the truth , as the light in all your consciences shall witnesse in the day of the lord ; o! how hath justice and true judgment been neglected , and oppression and cruelty abounded , the like in generations past hath not been know●… 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the lord is now arisen , and hath said , i will ease 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 enemies , and take vengeance upon my adversaries , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 done wickedly against him and his people , till the patience of the lord is near an end , and his longe suffering finished , and his judgments will he make known upon his enemies in this generation , that ages to come forever may be warned not to oppresse the innocent , as these have done by false accusations , and unjust judgment , and wicked proceedings , and because of it , the wrath of the lord is kindled , and his viols of indignation shall be poured upon the beast , and upon the false prophet , and all their power shall be smitten in one day . and o what wickednesse hath abounded in the people also , to help up the measure of the rulers sins , that may receive the recompence together ; how have the people of all sorts abused the innocent lambs of christ , whom he hath called ? what beatings , and stonings , and bruisings , and other abuses , in townes , and high-waies , and steeple-houses , its hard to be expressed and large to be declared : some have been wounded night unto death , others bruised till blood have gushed out , and others cast down in the dirt and punched with feet and troden upon , and many have been in danger of their lives , some have been knocked down with staves and thir cloaths rent , and their hair torne off their heads , and some have been pursued after with throwing stones and dirt at them , and many halled , and tumulted , and lugged , and hurried up and down in cruel manner , to the danger of life and oppression of the creature , and others have been whipped , and lashed , and put into cruel torment of their bodies , by engins framed of purpose to torment the bodies of the harmlesse , as chester and carlile may witnesse , and others have been halled before rulers , and falsly slandered to the taking away of life if the lord had not prevented , more than mercy of men , and having been unmercifully and unjustly sent to prison , there have they suffered cruelties from the goalers or their servants , by beatings , or punnishings , or threatnings , or cruel words , and casting into dungeons , and great abuses shamefully acted upon them , and other prisoners have made a prey upon them , by t●king away their cloaths and meat , and beating of them , and abusing them divers waies , and murtherers have had more priviledge of freedom in prisons and in tryals , than these who are innocent , and these things thus acted contrary to their own law , hath passed without reproofe from many in authority , though it have been brought to their door , and in this manner have the children of god , the lamb and his followers been persecuted without cause , or any evil works brought forth by them , and legally proved against them ; but for well doing , and not for evil , hath the wicked vented their malice against them , that the more the beast and his power hath fullfilled wickednesse , the sooner may be his destruction . and o what scorning , and reviling , and lying , and slandering , and evil speeches , with mockings , and cruel words of envy , and tearms of cruelty against the innocent , hath this generation brought forth in this day , wherein the dragon with his angells hath joyned battel against the prince of righteousnesse , and they that follow him , and whole gog and magog is gathered together , to compasse the camp of the saints about , and to fight against the beloved city , the judges and rulers , with their train of subservant officers , as bayliffs , clarks , goalers , constables , with all that to those belonged , have with a high hand persecuted and laid oppressions by hard-heartednesse , upon the backs of the poor and distressed , and the scorners , and liers , and prophane wretches have bent their tongue against the just , in uttering lies , slanders , reproaches , back-biting , nick-namings , and false-accusing , and all manner of evil speehes , and false reproaches , and the just have been burthened by all this ; and thus they that have been departed from iniquity have been a prey to rulers to act their injustice upon , and to the people to utter their slanders , and to do cruelty against ; and the teeth of evil doers have been set on edge , to bite and devoure , and to satisfie their maliciousnesse upon the sufferings of the upright people , and from the judge upon his throne , to the begger upon the high-way ; all have had their hand dipped in this cause of cruel and unjust persecution , and the lord hath considered and harkened from his holy habitation , and numbered up the summe of all your iniquities that he may repay and recompence upon your heads , wo unto you unjust judges , and corrupt men , who have abused your power . and wo unto all that do oppresse by hard dealing , who have offended the just , and defended the unjust : wo unto all you scorners , liers , back biters , and reproachfull tongues ; the lord is coming to take an account . your sins cry for vengeance against you , and though your hands and tongues have been strengthened to speak and act ungodlinesse , by the evil example of your rulers , yet your own iniquity shall you bear in the day of the lord , and though your rulers and judges have been strengthened in their unjustnesse and mercilessenesse , by the false lying teachers and diviners of false visions , which have seen vanity , yet their own iniquity shall they bear , & every man shall die for his own sin ; wo unto your teachers they have eaten up the sin of rulers and people , and covered iniquity and transgression , by flattering and lying words ; they have daubed with untempered morter , and healed up the wound deceitfully , and cryed peace , peace , to the wicked , that have walked in the imaginations of their own hearts , when unto such the lord never spake peace . and now whereas the rulers and people have stretched forth their hands to vex the lords people , and have through unjust judgment , and grievous oppressions , and unmercifull dealings , troden the innocent under foot , and made them a prey to their mouth , and divers waies have persecuted in cruel manner the followers of the lamb ; yet also have the wise men of this world , even the priests and teachers , who have led the people , and have caused them to erre , and have set themselves as in battle array against the lord and his way and people ; how have you hardened your hearts and made your forehead as brasse , against the word of the lord , and you have been as the fountain of all this wickednesse acted against the just , and strengtheners of the hands of ungodly men ; the heads and ruler , you have strengthened in their cruelty , of false judgments by your arguments of strife ; in subtiltly you have been as nursers of all this persecution and wickednesse , and have interceded for oppression , to cause the just to groan , whom the lord hath raised to testifie against you ; the judges they have given regard unto you , and the people they have taken you for examples , who have been cursed presidents to the rulers and people , who have followed your cruel steps of malice and envy ; and from the head to the tail , they have drunk in your poisonus doctrines ; and made themselves drunk therewith , and out of reason , in their furious zeal of madnesse , and all have taken council together to slay the harmlesse from off the face of the earth ; some by false judgment and oppression , and others by cruel abusings , as beatings , and stonings , unheard of , or unequalized in generations of late . o ye priests , and teachers , and wise men , and scribes ! how many of you in this nation joyned hand in hand to betray the innocent , by your false doctrines and lying divinations , and have filled ( and sought to do so ) the mind of the people with slanders and false reproaches , and lying imaginations , and many conceptions and jealousies against the people of god ; many of you have made it your study work , to bring forth evil by cunning arguments , to suggest into the hearts of people , that they might not enter the kingdom , and even so have you been shutters of the kingdom of heaven against men , and would not enter your selves , nor suffer others that would . wo unto you , you have taken away the key of knowledge and lost it , and multitudes of false aspersions , and lying assertions have you brought forth without fear , by wicked consequence and lying productions , that you might take away the key of knowledge thereby , and hide it from men , and lay stumbling blocks of iniquity before the people , to stop the way of the upright , and you have travelled to seek occasions of evil against the just , and watched for the halting of the innocent , that you might glory and rejoyce in their fall , and without any occasion by words or actions , you have taken offence , and made offences by evil surmisings , to blind the eyes of people , that your idolatry might not be discovered , nor the way of righteousnesse shine forth . o be ashamed and repent , for to account must you come , and the sin of rulers and people , whom you have blindly led , will be charged against you , who have given them wicked examples , of cruelty in your pulpits , you have spent time in rayling , and slandering , and lying , to infuse evil into the minds of men , against the truth , and many books have you given forth and sent abroad from your lying pens , out of your vain studies , of false prophesie , and mens hearts have been filled with your damnable doctrines of devils , wherewith the simple have been poysoned , and the innocent betrayed ; even great numbers of books , and lying scroules have gone through the nation from some of you filled with false divination , and intents of evil , against the way of the lord and his people , and worse than balaam , and far exceeding him have you been : you have sought enchantments to curse the people whom god hath blessed altogether , and some of you have done it to your evill reward of your evil work ; and you have not known that there is no divination against the holy seed . o! what will become of you when he lord is arisen to plead with you for these things , the cruelty and oppression of the rulers shall be added to your account , and the sin of the people which you have swallowed down , it shall be laid to your charge ; for you have strengthened the hands of evil doers , so that none could turn from his evil way , but have by you been hardened therein , and from you prophanesse have gone forth to the ends of the earth . woe , woe , is approaching , what account will you render in the day of the lord ? you will all be speechlesse in that day , when the swift witnesse doth arise ; therefore to all you i am moved to write , who have set your selves to gain-say the truth , and to write against the people of the lord , whom you call quakers , who walk in the truth , and have received the truth from the lord , whom you have reproached and slandered in secret , and also in open print , in the face of the world , and have laid many cruel and false charges and accusations against them , and to all that hath , or ever shall hereafter bend your tongues and pens , to utter wickednesse and falshood by writing or otherwise . repent and cease your wickednesse , for the wrath of the lord is kindled against you , and take this for an answer in full to all your books , and false reproaches ; we are of god , and he that is of god heareth us , and the whole world lyes in wickednesse , and we have the testimony that we please god ; and he is our god , and we are his people , and he hath chosen us , and we have chosen him , and the name of the lord is our strength , and his covenant of life is with us , and among us hath he fullfilled his promise , and his spirit is poured forth , and sons and daughters do prophesie , and one king reigns upon mount sion , and the night to us is far spent , and the day is dawned , and the darknesse of the night , which long hath overshadowed the world , in which no man could work , is from us fled , and the marvellous light is risen , and we are them whom god hath gathered according to his promise , ezek. 34. from the mouthes of idol-shepherds which once made a prey upon us , and the glory of the lord is revealed , and the time is come of restoration , and of bringing back out of the captivity of darknesse , where all have laid , with a vail of darknesse spread over all their faces , and we are eye-witnesses of his glory , and it is given us to taste , and feel , and handle the word of life , which lives for ever , therefore i say unto you all , it is a little thing to us and not respected to be reproached by you ; our life you cannot reach , nor our glory deface , and you we know to be them who god never sent , but must fullfill your measure of wickednesse , till the time of your overthrow , which draws near upon you all , and despisable shall you be to all that fear the lord and love his wayes , for your nakednesse and shame shall be uncovered and them that have loved you shall be filled with the indignation of the lord against you , all your writings , and books , and lyes , and senders , and false reproaches uttered in publick and private , shall go into the pit from which they came , and shall return upon your own heads , and when your vail of slanders and false aspersions is taken off , then shall we ( as we are ) appear , and till then all your evil brought forth against us we bear in patience , and love your revilings rather than your praise ; wherefore with shame put off your armour , and lay down your crownes , and stop your mouthes in the dust , and bow and tremble before the just god , and before the lamb , who is risen to make war against the beast & against you his fals prophets , whose generation must grow feeble and become weaknesse in this the day of the lord , your time is at an end , wherein it was given you to reign , and to seduce and deceive the nations ; and now shall the sonne of god be exalted , and the kingdoms of this world shall become the kingdomes of christ , hear and consider this , all ye that exalt your selves against the lord and his way , and are established in the throne of unrighteousnesse , under the beastly power , if any man hath an ear to hear let him hear , the light is risen , and these things are made manifest , and with the light of the world , in all men shall they be witnessed to be truth , and the state of things as they are at this day , and if you can discerne the times , and the signes of times , and the changing of times , here you may read and understand , blessed are all that have an ear to hear . to all ye heads and rulers , judges and magistrates , mayors , bailiffs , goalers and constables , and all others whatsoever , governors priests and people , who have , and do persecute the children and servants of the lord , the saints of the most high god , who feareth the name of the lord , and walketh in his way , who are not of this world , but redeemed out of it , and are despised among men , as all the generation of the just every where ; to all you persecuters and violent doers , this is a word from the lord god : repent , repent , for evil have you done in his sight , and vext his soul , and grieved his spirit , and heaped up wrath against the day of wrath , and multiplyed your transgressions and the measure of your iniquities are well nigh filled up ; ye have set your selves against the lord , and your hands you have strengthened against his people , you have rejected the day of your visitation , and you have not regarded the day of your salvation , you have plainly made it manifest that you are that generation which killed the just , and that you are of the seed of evil doers , the works that you have brought forth ▪ do plainly declare that you will not christ to reign amongst you , nor his government to rule over you , who have thus persecuted the innocent without cause , by false imprisonments , and false judgments , and hard dealing , and reproachings , and revilings , consider your waies and what you have done , search your hearts , and let it take place in you all , how have you persecuted the just , how have you stretched forth your hands and dealt cruelly and violently with the meek of the earth , how have you troden under foot the poor and needy , and greatly oppressed the upright hearted , who have not rendred evill for evill , but forgiven you and prayed for you , and wished well unto you , and born in patience ( without complaining ) all your injustice and cruelty , and have not sought vengeance against you , even such hath god chosen more than many , and them you have despised and persecuted more than any , and laid heavie bonds of oppression upon them , and doubled their task through your hard-heartednesse , least the seed of god should grow ; grieveous yoaks have you laid upon it by false imprisonments , and unjust fines , and illegal proceedings , by beatings , halings , abusings , reproaches , and revilings , all manner of evil have been acted and spoken against the generation of the just , by you and under you in your judicatories and jurisdictions , in your corporations , high-waies , townes , and goals , and other places . o! what have you ? done consider , and suffered to be done under you , lay it to heart what havock of the people of the lord in their persons and estates , and what cruelty exercised upon them through your robellious hearts , without any evil justly charged upon them , or breach of any law justly proved against them , for well doing and not for evil have you caused them to suffer : for crying against iniquity , and reproving sin in the gate , and for bearing witnesse to the truth , and against all unrighteousnesse which abounds in this generation ; such have you falsly judged to be offenders , and cryed a confederacie against them , and strengthened the hands of the wicked , and caused the innocent to groan . o! what will you do in the day of your visitation , when the lord ariseth to plead with you , to whom will you fly for refuge , and to whom will you cry for deliverance ? shall not the lords soul be avenged upon you , yea from the least of you to the greatest ? you shall feel his hand of judgment , even all you who have had your fingers dipped in the unjust sufferings of the dear servants of the lord , whom he hath called to place his name with for ever , who are his faithful witnesses in this perverse generation , and by your persecuting of them have you proved them to be the people of god , in the sight of all nations , and it is for a testimony unto them , that they are of god , and against you , that you are of the devil ; and christs words are fullfilled upon them , to their rejoycing , and to your sorrow , who said , the time comes , that they shall speak all manner of evil falsly , and persecute you , and think they do god service that kills you , and casts you from among them , and the devil shall cast some of you into prison . and these things you have done , and fullfilled christs words against your selves , for a witnesse against you , and to shew that you are enemies to christ and to his kingdom , and that you will not have him to reign ( as i have said : therefore when hee reigneth , hee shall say , bring hether those mine enimies and slay ) them before me . o! what will the just judge of true judgment , the god of heaven and earth render unto you , when he ariseth to plead the cause of the poor and needy , and to deliver his inheritance from under your oppression into perfect freedom ? what account will you give in that day , when hee brings swift destruction upon you ? and wherewith will you answer him when the secrets of your hearts are made manifest , and when the true witnesse in you all is awakened , which will bring to your remembrance all your cruel and unjust dealing , and all your bitter and hard speeches which in your envy you have brought forth against the lord and against his people ? what will be done to you his enemies , when christ jesus , whom you have persecuted , comes to reign in his kingdom , and subdues the kingdoms of this world , and changeth them into the kingdoms of the lord , and his christ , and the saints which you have oppressed , receives the authority and dominion ? it shall be said , all that would not that christ should reign , slay them before him ; when it shall be given to the saints to bind kings in chains and nobles in fetters of iron , and to execute upon the heathen all the judgments written ; for behold all ye stout hearted , the lord cometh with ten thousand of his saints to judge the world in righteousnesse , and you shall be convinced of all your ungodly deeds ; for the scriptures must be fullfilled , and as you have done , even so will it be done unto you , when the suffering of the righteous is finished , and your wickednesse come to an end ; when the lord shall reign you shall lick the dust off his feet , and all the persecuters of christ shall be trodden down as mire , and the righteous shall rejoyce over them , and the lord shall mock when your fear and calamity comes , which come suddenly , in a day when you expect not , how shall the lord pardon you for this ? you have sinned against knowledge , and gone on after warning , and hardened your hearts after reproof , and the day of your visitation you have greatly slighted , ye rulers have abused your power , and ye subjects have abused your subjection , and now consider what god did in gerations past unto the rebellious children , what he did to pharaoh and all his hosts , when his long suffering was finished , how did pharaoh harden his heart , and his cruel task masters oppresse the righteous , even as you have done , and they would not let israel go free to serve the lord , but they kept them in bondage ; and this way you walk , who exercise cruelty as they did , and laid heavy burthens upon the innocent grieveous to be born ; cruel task-masters have you been over the heritage of the lord , and in pharaohs example of wickednesse have you walked , fullfilling his measure of cruelty , and pharaohs example shall you follow in a cursed end ; remember how the loftinesse of his heart was bowed down , and how his proud heart was abased in the day that god pleaded with him in his righteous judgments , he and all his task-masters was confounded in a day , and the bondage of the righteous was broken in a moment , how was his whole strength of tyranie overturned and turned into weaknesse , the righteous were delivered , and he and all his train overwhelmed in one day , and thus shall it come to passe upon you : therefore consider this , all ye that fullfill the measure of iniquity , suddenly will the righteous god be awakened to take vengeance upon you , and the just shall not alwaies groan under your bondage , for he that looketh from the heaven hath pity upon the distressed , for whom now his arme is stretched out to bring deliverance unto them , and all their enemies will he confound , who have this long time ploughed long furrows upon the back of the righteous , the oppression , and cruelty , and injustice , brought forth in this nation , it calls for vengeance from heaven . alas , alas , woe is me for you , you heads , and rulers , and judges of england , what have you done and suffered to be done ( under you ) against the innocent people of god , who is as dear to him as the apple of his eye , for they be written on the palms of his hands , and because of the cry of the poor and the needy will the lord arise and plead their cause . oh consider and let it enter into your hearts , the cruelty and injustice that hath been brought forth in this land , and remember what god did unto all the persecuters of old , how was their strength consumed , and they overturned and destroyed , what did he to pharaoh and all his host , who persecuted the seed of god , how was he destroyed and the righteous set free ; and what was done to hammon ? how was he justly rewarded , who persecuted the innocent seed of god ? what did god to herod and all his people who persecuted the innocent ? and remember what he did unto them that persecuted the three children , and them that persecuted daniel , how did they fall into the pit which they had digged for another , and how were they destroyed , and the innocent delivered , consider and remember these things , ye that suffer the just to groan by you . search through the records of old , and search what god hath done unto all them that lifted up their hand against him and his people , and is he not the same at this day , his hand is not shortened that it cannot save his people , and destroy his enemies , his ear is not dull of hearing that he should not understand this unjust suffering of his people , though you live carelessely in pleasure upon earth , while the innocent mournes , yet doth the lord regard , though you spend your time in pleasure , and delight your selves in vanities all the day long , yet the lord hath taken it to heart , and his spirit is grieved that his innocent servants should lye in holes and dungeons to be trodden upon , and be accounted as the off-scouring of all things , hardly thought worthy to have a place on the earth . oh remember these things , ye that are high minded , and consider what god did to the bishops and their crew of persecutors in this nation , your selves are witnesses how the lord overthrew them , and delivered his people in a few years time , and as little as you did they think that they whom they perseceuted , should so soon come to have reigned over them , the lords hand was then against oppressors as it is at this day , do you think the lord hath forgotten or that he takes no notice of what is come to passe , how should he forget his people to save them , or his enemies , that he should not recompence them ; but know ye assuredly that the lord is the same , and all those things are written in a book , and remembred by him , and he will judge justly and righteously in his dreadfull day , ah let it enter into your hearts , serve not your selves altogether in the pleasures of this world , but serve the lord , and this he requires of you , let the oppressed go free , and break every bond , whereby the innocent doth suffer , and this the lord requires at your hands ; oh but i feel great hardnesse of heart , and rather a strengthening of cruel bonds , than a breaking of them , and you appear rather to be given up to work wickednesse , and to fullfill the largest measure of them that went before you than otherwise , unrighteous decrees are rather established than dissannulled . oh what will be the end of these things , and what will be your judgment when the lord awakens himself as out of sleep , who hath left you to follow your own spirits to try you , that it might be known unto all what is in your hearts , and behold perversenesse lodges in them , and while the lord hath looked for justice amongst you , even the cry of oppression hath been heard , even a grieveous cry of unjust persecution and violence against the seed of god , and once you would have been ashamed of those things which now you act without shame , so that which is in your hearts is powred forth in the sight of the world , oh ye rulers of england , the rulers of the heathen shall rise up in judgment against you , even they that never professed so much as you have done , they shall be rather justified than you whose wayes have been more equal than yours , and lesse cruelty brought forth by them than by you , unto their subjects , and this makes your sin more great , in that many of you were raised from low estate , and you have exalted your selves more than is meet , and have caused your very equals to groan under you , by the heavy yoak which you have prepared for them ; well , but the lord hath listned and heard , and a book ofremembrance is written , and he will repay into your 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , the time is not long when the lord may scatter you and give you unto the will of your enemies , therefore be awakened and warned , the day of your visitation is upon you all . oh england that thou hadst known in this thy day , the things that belong to thy peace . oh that thy rulers and people had known how that the lord hath called unto them . oh that they had considered how that his hand hath been stretched forth all the day long , and he would have gathered them as a shepherd doth his flock , but they have not known , neither have they considered , and therefore that which belongs to their peace will the lord hide from their eyes , the day of their visitation is spending apace , and the night will come , and no man shall be able to work , and because the lord hath called and you have not heard , therefore shall you try and the lord will give no answer . oh nation , thou art filled with oppression , and griveous iniquities ; and from the head to the foot thou bearest marks of great abominations ; in thee is found lamentable oppression of the poor ; and great and grieveous idolatries ; and gods righteous soul is vexed in thee day by day , the just groanes and mournes under the heavy hand of oppressors , many of thy goales do witnesse it , where many innocent and upright people have suffered unjustly the losse of their freedom , without any ground , or charge of evil laid upon them . oh what have thy rulers done , judgment and justice have they turned backward ; the cry of the poor hath not been regarded , and equity hath not found a place to enter . who would have thought 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , who have been so high in profession of the scrip●●●●… should thus have dealt with them who are in the life of the scriptures , this agravates ; your sinne , in that none hath been like you in profession of religion , and in pretences of righteousnesse ; and yet you have exceeded others in persecuting ( and suffering of it ) the servants of the lord , but it is now made manifest what lodgeth in your hearts ; under your faire covers of promises , words and shewes , what deep hypocrisie is this that you should professe liberty of conscience , and yet have persecuted hundreds for the exercise of their pure consciences . is not this to be taken notice of , that you should professe that which you do not perform ; and will not the lord plead with you because of it , in his dreadful day , which is hastening upon you , as a chief in the night , and the wicked shall not escape ; do you think that he whom you persecute in his members and his members shall sure reign over you , do not you know that he is sufficient to avenge himself of all his enemies ; and do not you believe that he could command thousands of thousands to fight for him , and to revenge his cause ? hath the consideration of these things no room in your hearts , or are your hearts wholy shut up from all compassion towards the lords people ? surely to vengeance will the lord be awakened , and he will tread you down as mire in the streets ; and as you have done , and suffered to be done to the lords people , even so shall it be done unto you . there are only two seeds in the world , and there are but two and no more , to wit , the seed of god , and the seed of the serpent ; and these two are contrary one to the other , in their bringing forth , in their time , and in their ends , they differ in their nature , in their fruits and works , and in their reward ; and these two are at continual enmity one against another , and never was , is , or shall be reconciled , the life of one is the death of the other , and where the one doth live , the other doth dye , and where the one rejoyceth , the other is made sorrowful , and where the one is in freedom , the other is in bondage , and where the one is ruler , the other is a slave and in captivity , and thus are they contrary , where the one brings forth fruit , the other is barren , and the one is rewarded with the overthrow of the other , and the one of these is ruling in every creature man and woman , and growing and bringing forth fruit from it selfe through the creature ; the fruits of the one is blessed for ever , and the fruits of the other is cursed for ever , and betwixt these two there is no concurrence or agreement in any thing whatsoever , they differ in likenesse , and their fruits differ in appearance , the fruit of the one is love , and peace , and unity ; the fruit of the other is hatred , and envy , and trouble , and enmity ; the fruit of the seed of god in the creature , is truth , and righteousnesse , and faith , and patience , long-suffering , and temperance , and joy , and peace in the lord , with all other things which are good , and just , and pure ; but the fruits of the seeed of the serpent are of another nature , as lying , theft , murther , dissimulation , drunkennesse , and whordomes , hypocrisie and all unrighteousnesse , which is not according to god , but contrary to him ; and by these several fruits proceeding through the creature , do we know every creature , and so judge of him to be the child of god , or the childs of the devil ; in the election , or in the reprobation , for through whom the fruits of the seed of god doth spring forth , we know such are not of the devil ; and through whom the fruits of the seed of the serpent doth spring forth , we know such are not of god . and these two seeeds are now striving in the earth , the one against the other , and they in whom the seed of god rules , are persecuted by them in whom the seed of the serpent rules ; for they in whom the seed of god rules are born of god 〈◊〉 of his spirit , and they in whom the seed of the serpent rules are born of flesh , and minds the things of the flesh , which shall not endure for ever , and so every one that is born of the flesh , is of the seed of the serpent , or the seed of the serpent rules in him , and every one that is born of the seed of god , the seed of god rules in him , such are persecuted for righteousnesse sake , by the seed of the serpent wich is at enmity against the seed of god , which cannot fullfill the will of the serpents seed , nor be subject to his lawes , for the seed of god cannot be subject to the serpents seed in any thing , but is subject to god , and not to any thing that is contrary to him ; but rather suffers imprisonment , and cruelties , and bonds , under the serpents seed than in the least to bow to it . so this is the ground of all persecution and enmity , which is betwixt the two seeds , which seeks the overthrow each of other , but who are of the seed of god , knowes that they are of god , and that the whole world lyes in wickednesse , under the government of the seed of the serpent ; and such where the seed of god is brought forth , hath the testimony in themselves that they are of god , and have believed in the sonne of god who is the light of the world , and knowes him to be the foundation and the rock of ages , and the gates of hell cannot prevail against him , nor the enmity of the serpents seed overcome him , nor they that are builded on him ; and this is a testimony for the seed of god , and against the seed of the serpent in all the world , that it is persecuted of the seed of the serpent , and spoken all manner of evil of by the world , according to the words of christ , which are fullfilled upon us to our rejoycing , who are of the seed of god , and to the trouble of all our enemies , who are of the seed of the serpent . and otherwise it cannot be , but that they who are born of the flesh must persecute them who are born of the spirit ; for because of the enmity that is placed between the two seeds , the one cannot love the other , nor have fellowship the one with the other , and which of our fore-fathers the prophets and disciples of christ , which were of the seed of god , were not persecuted , hated , and reviled , and reproached by your fore-fathers who were of the seed of the serpent , and they , no more than you , could receive the knowledge of god and his waies , but ever despised the path thereof , and counted the wisdom of god foolishnesse , and stood in the enmity against god and his people , and all their wayes , and they that were of the seed of the serpent ever called truth error , and the way thereof heresie and blalphemie . jeremiah , amos , and the rest , were called deceivers and mad men , and seducers of the people , and evil was done unto them , jeremiah was put in the stocks and in the dungeons , by the rulers of that generation , who were of the seed of the serpent , even the prophets of god who were sent of god , and were witnesser of his name in truth and righteousnesse , were acounted and called deceivers , and were persecuted by imprisonments , and some unto death as you may read in the scripture , jeremiah 20. amos 7. these with others who were sent of the lord to bear testimony of god and against the rulers , who executed not true justice and judgment , but were oppressors of the poor , who judged for gifts and rewards , and against the false prophets and priests that ran and had not been sent , who used thir tongue , and said the lord saith , and the lord had not spoken to them , who prophesied falsly , and preached for hire , and bare rule by their means , and made a prey upon the people , these were of the seed of serpent , and did persecute them that bore witnesse against them , that were of the seed of god . the word of the lord was even a reproach unto jeremiah daily , and they smote him with the tongue , and the chief governour of the house of the lord , smote him and put him in the dungeon , and amos , which had been no prophet not the son of a prophet but a herdsman , he was persecuted by the priest of bethel , and was commanded not to prophesie in the kings chappel , and amaziah the priest complained to jereboam the king against amos the prophet , and ezekiel the prophet could not be received of the people , for saith the lord , they will not hear thee , for they will not hear me , and they were a rebellious house , and impudent , and hardhearted , and would not receive the prophets words , and thus it was in the time of the apostles and christ jesus , they were persecuted , and some of them put to death for bearing testimony unto the father , whom they were witnesses of and against the world ; what reproaches , slanders , beatings , buffetings , scornings , tumults , uproars , and all manner of evil did they suffer in their generation by the seed of the serpent , from the hands of the rulers , and priests , and people ; christ was accounted a deceiver , and called a devil , and a blasphemer ; and the apostles were called heretiques , deceivers , and pestilent fellowes , movers of sedition , destroyers of the law ▪ and turners of the world upside down , and such like : all these were of the seed of god that were persecuted , and the persecuters were of the seed of the serpent , which brought forth violence , and wickednesse , and false judgement against the innocent ; and some were put to death upon the false account of being deceivers and blasphemers . if you search through the whole scripture , you may read how the just were persecuted , even from abel who was of the seed of god , and all that ever were persecuted for righteousnesse sake , were persecuted upon the account of being evil doers , and the persecuters judged themselves to be righteous . he was the chief governor of the house of the lord , that persecuted jeremiah , and the people that smote him with the tongue , said , they knew the law should not perish from the priest , nor counsel from the honourable : and it was amaziah the kings priest that persecuted amos , and it was they that seeemed to be religious that persecuted the prophets , and it was the wise scribes and pharisees , and the chief priests , that handled the law , and that offered sacrifice , that persecuted christ and the apostles . how zealous were the jewes in their traditions and observations , in their sabboth-keeping , and in the dayes of their humiliation , in their temple-worship , and in all the commandments of god ? they were zealous according to their own thoughts , yet were they of the seed of the serpent ; and persecuted the seed of god in blind zeal , upon false judgment , and the persecutors had a name to be righteous , and the persecuted were accounted unrighteous , and so darknesse was put for light , and light for darknesse , and them that were well-doers were accounted evil doers , and them that were evil doers were accounted righteous . and such was the blindnesse of rulers and people , such as prophesied falsly , and came in their own name were received , for the people loved to have it so when the great abomination was committed , but they that came in the fathers name could not be received , but were persecuted ; the prophets , christ , nor his apostles could not be received of the world , but were persecuted in it , and lawes and decrees were made against them , whereby they suffered unjustly upon grounds suspitions and jealousies , for that way was called heresie , in which the true god was worshiped . christ was called a deceiver , and the wisdom of the world could not receive the knowledge of the things of god , and as it was then , so is it now in every particular , if any man hath an ear to hear he may hear , and a heart to understand he may perceive ; for now is the seed of god and the seed of the serpent at enmity , striving one against the other , and the one persecutes the other in this generation as ever it was we are persecuted upon the false account and false judgement of being evil doers , and deceivers , and our persecuters accounts themselves righteous and zealous for gods waies , and such as are false prophets and deceivers , are accounted true ministers of christ , even them that preach for hire , and seek for their gain from their quarter , and through convetousnesse , by feigned words makes merchandise of soules , such were , and such are deceivers and were never sent of god , and yet such in this generation are accounted ministers of christ , and such as are ministers of christ , who walk in the doctrin of christ , as they have received freely , so do they freely give , and seek not advantage themselves , but are persecuted and reviled for righteousnesse sake , such are accounted and falsly judged deceivers , and so true judgment is turned backward , good is called evil , and evill good , deceivers are called ministers of christ , and ministers of christ are called deceivers , and thus people in this generation erres in judgment , and persecutes the righteous , who are of the seed of god . and it was ever the ministers of christ that were persecuted , and never any of them persecuted any , nor ever any of the deceivers persecuted for righteousnesse sake , but they ever persecuted the just and sought to the rulers , and to the elders of the people for violence to be done unto them that feared the lord , and witnessed against their wickednesse , it was the chief priests and them that handled the law , which caused christ and the apostles to be persecuted . amaziah sought to jereboam to have amos persecuted and as it was then , so it is now . how doth the teachers of this nation seek to the magistrates to have the innocent persecuted , and yet these men are zealous for their performances and duties in the set dayes of humiliation and lectures , and even they think they do god good service in imprisoning the innocent , they have great zeal without knowledge as the jewes had , and they are strict in their sabboth keeping , in their singing and praying , &c. but yet is violence done to the just and true judgment and justice neglected , and therefore all that which they perform to god is abomination in his sight . oh what complaining is by the teachers of this n●tion to the magistrates ? what crying out for defence , shewing that they want the spiritual armour , and dare not trust the lord ? what plotting and contriving against the seed of god by the seed of the serpent , who ever was a persecutor and never was persecuted ? what lawes and decrees are brought forth against the lords people , as traps to ensnare their fee , like as it was in the dayes of old , even like unto artaxerxes the king , who made a decree and gave commandment that the city of god should not be builded , and this was from the information and complaining of rhehum the chancellor and shimshai the scribe , who brought certain accusations to the king against the people of god , and called the holy city , a rebellious and bad city , and that it was hurtfull unto kings , and danger to endammage the revenue of kings . here was a conspiracie by the scribes and such as handled the law , with the king against the people of god , and thus it is now , he that hath an eye to see may see ; how many petitions have they put to the rulers against the people of god ? what grieveous and false accusations have they laid to the charge of the innocent , saying they be popishly affected , and disobedient to government : so that the seed of the serpent ever doth hatch evil against the seed of god to destroy it from off the face of the earth , and it was the wise , and the learned , and the rulers , whom the devil made use of to persecute the righteous : it was such as rhehum the chancellor , and shimshai the scribe , and pashur the chief governor in the house of the lord , and it was such as the chief priests and elders of the people , and the wise men of this world , such as these it was that persecuted the righteous , and so it is now , orthodox men ( so called ) justices of peace , &c. whom the devil makes use of ; to persecute the innocent , against which no occasion can be found but concerning the law of god , as it was with daniel , as you may read , daniel 6 , and 5 , 6. against him they could find no occasion that they might presecute him , but concerning the law of his god , and it was the president and princes , and counsellors and the governors which consulted together against daniel , who was the servant of god . and as it was then , so it is now in this generation , they can find no occasion against us ( the people of god ) either by doctrin or conversation , but onely concerning the law and worship of our god , for there is a law against the law of christ , and all that will not swear contrary to the law of christ , must be counted evil doers and popish recusants , and punished , and this is not for any evil in us , but because we cannot transgresse the law of our god , and also another decree , which takes hold upon them that travell to worship god on the first day of the week , whereby the innocent doth suffer and are like to suffer ; and not for evil doing is any occasion against us , but because we will not stay from the worship of our god , but are made to travel that we may meet together to worship him ; with such other decree ; which sheweth unto all men that they seek occasion against us concerning the law of our god , not having occasion by doctrine , or conversation , or any other thing ; so for righteousnesse sake are we persecuted , and not for evil doing ; some are persecuted because for conscience sake they cannot stay at their own houses but are moved by the lord to declare the name of the lord abroad in the nation , many by a decree are taken and punished as for vagabonds , and this is an occasion concerning the law of our god ; and christ was persecuted and put to death by an unrighteous decree , for they had an ( unrighteous ) law , as they said , aad by it he ought to dye , and unrighteous laws and decrees were made against the apostles , whereby they were commanded to depart out of their townes , and to preach no more in the name of jesus , and by such decrees were the apostles persecuted . so that this may shew unto all , that our fore-fathers who were of the seed of god , some were persecuted unto death by unrighteous decrees and statutes , and as it was then , so it is now , he that hath an eye to see may see : the same as ever was is come to passe in the earth , the seed of the serpent striving against the seed of god and persecuting it where it is brought forth : by unrighteous decrees , how did the late bishops of england persecute the harmlesse ? what lawes and ordinances were then brought forth , whereby violence was done against such as feared the lord , and then was the seed of the serpent striving against the seed of god . and this is given forth to shew unto all the world the cause of persecution in its first ground , ( to wit ) the irrecoverable enmity which is betwixt the two seeds , the one continually hating and persecuting the other , and seeking the overthrow each of other , and the enmity betwixt the two seeds , is the cause of strife , the one being innocent , and the other unrighteous , so it is not for the persons sake , or any other thing that the just are persecuted , but it is because of the seed of god , which cannot bow , nor worship the seed of the serpent , that is the first cause of persecution . again , all may see what unrighteous lawes and decrees were and are brought forth to persecute the innocent , whereby they have suffered in all generations for righteousnesse sake , and not for evil doing ; also it may be seen , that it was the wise , the learned , the presidents and chancellors and chief priests , and scribes , who were and are the very active persons by whom the seed of god is persecuted , and even such as were and are zealous in their observances and sabboth-keeping , and such like , it was not the poor nor the foolish only , which the devil made use of to do his work ; but it was the wise , and the learned , and the chief in authority , and such like , it was such in whom the seed of the serpent ruled , who were the active men against the servants of god . also it was through the evil counsel of such as were teachers and scribes , and handlers of the law , and it was through the false accusations of the chief priests unto the governors and elders of the people , and so it is now at this day , as i have proved ; and also the righteous was persecuted upon the false judgment of others , and they were falsly adjudged to be deceivers , and blasphemers , and evil doers , and upon this account were they persecuted and as being falsly reputed to be destructive to government , and revenue of kings , and upon such like , and that they made void the law of god , and were movers of sedition and upon such accounts as these , was the seed of god persecuted , as it is at this day ; and all men that read this with moderation may come to the good understanding , upon what account and by what instruments and by what means the seed of the serpent hath persecuted the seed of god , even from cain unto this day . and this is to go abroad into this nation , and into the world , and it is given forth from the suffering seed of god , to clear it self in the sight of all men , that not for evil , but for good are these sufferings laid upon it . but behold the lord regardeth the cry of the poor and of the unjust sufferer , and he will remember his mercy and his covenant with his own seed ; and when it passes through the fire , he is with it , and though it be afflicted it cannot be forsaken , though the lord hide his face from his people , and suffers grievous things to be done against them by the wicked , yet it is but to try them and to prove them , that they may be found faithfull to him , and the seed of god shall reign in the earth , and the seed of the serpent , and his head shall be bruised , and is bruised already , and it bruiseth its heel by following after with persecution and cruelty , but the seed of god shall arise and is arisen , and praiseth the living god for evermore . it plainly appears that the suffering of the people of god in this age , is a greater suffering and more unjust , than in the dayes of christ , of the apostles , or in any time since : queen maries dayes brought not forth a suffering more cruel , and in many respects , as doth appear ; first , what was done to christ and the apostles , was chiefly done by a law , and in a great part by the due execution of a law ; and also the martyrs in queen maries dayes , had more just examination , and a more just persecution in law , than the people of god have now , for now it is a matter of conscience among some of the magistrates in england to cast men into prison , and confine them , and to cause their goods to be spoiled , without any law or the due execution of a law ; which is utterly contrary to the charters of england , and hereby it appears the suffering to be more unjust , because what the persecuters of old did to the people of god , they did by a law , and by the due execution of a law , but now many are caused to suffer deeply ; whom the transgression of no law , good or bad , can be charged against ; and others suffer without the due execution of a law . again , herein it doth appear to exceed the suffering of the saints in former ages , in that many suffer now cruel things about trivial foolish matters , as for not putting off a hat or theeing men ; and for denying the foolish circumstance of swearing ; and we do not read that the worst of tyrants in the apostles dayes , or before or since , ever caused any to suffer for such things as these , or ever questioned any upon any such smal accounts , for hundreds have suffered upon suspition , when nothing at all can be charged against them , and this is contrary to magna-carta , and in many other respects which might be named ; this suffering is greater than hath been in any age , for many have suffered in this common-wealth , which have been faithful , and hazarded all in time of war for the good of the common-wealth ; and many of them suffer by them who have been enemies and in armes against the common-wealth , and herein the suffering appears more intolerable . but doth the magistrate think to come to account for these things , yea the lord is just , and his way is righteous ; what flesh could but be provoked hereby ? but the saints are changed in nature , and are to fullfill the will of the lord by suffering : the cruelty of men is become exceeding great against the lord and his people . again , hereby the persecution in this age appears more to exceed former ages , because liberty of conscience in the exercise of religion , was never so much promised and professed , as in this nation at this day ; and yet for the exercise of a pure conscience many are wofull sufferers , even by such who in words professe liberty of conscience themselves ; and yet persecutes the exercise of it in others , even for not putting off a hat or the like to them ; these with many other things , may aggravate the hainousnesse of the sinne of persecution to be great and more unjust than in former ages . alas how is the sword of justice turned backward , and the innocent smitten and persecuted , and that for righteousnesse sake and not for evil doing . the end . the son of perdition revealed by the brightness and light of the son of god in his saints, and the preachers of his light within and their doctrines & principles (concerning the mysteries of god & the weighty things of salvation) vindicated and cleared ... / by the light of the son of god in his servants geo. whitehead & edw. burroughs. whitehead, george, 1636?-1723. 1661 approx. 201 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 46 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. text creation partnership, ann arbor, mi ; 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ascii text with mnemonic sdata character entities); displayable xml (tcp schema; characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or text strings within braces); or lossless xml (tei p5, characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or tei g elements). keying and markup guidelines are available at the text creation partnership web site . eng society of friends -controversial literature. 2005-02 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2005-04 spi global keyed and coded from proquest page images 2005-05 melanie sanders sampled and proofread 2005-05 melanie sanders text and markup reviewed and edited 2005-10 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion the son of perdition revealed , by the brightness and light of the son of god in his saints : and the preachers of his light within , and their doctrines & principles ( concerning the mysteries of god & the weighty things of salvation , vindicated and cleared , from the reproache● slanders & calumnies cast upon them by the spirit of satan and antichrist , which hath largely appeared in one joseph wright , ( who esteems himself one appointed by the flock of christ for a defence of the truth of the gospel ) as is apparent in his book intituled a testimony for the son of man and against the son of perdition ; &c. which he hath given forth against them that preach the light within . but herein his pride , insolency and impudency are reproved , and his bundle of errors , blasphemies confusions and slanders ( in his book against the light and the children of it ) discovered . and the eternal truth in its own clearnesse ( touching many weighty principles of the true religion ) made manifest , for the satisfaction of the people , and of all that are doubtful . by the light of the son of god in his servants , geo. whitehead & edw. burroughs . london , printed for thomas simmons at the sign of the bull and mouth near aldersgate , 1661. a table of the chief heads of the following discourse . 1 concerning the light within , christs coming in the flesh , and dying for all men . 2 concerning the nature and state of christ , of the soul of man , and of the saints partaking of the divine nature . 3 concerning the resurrection from the dead . 4 concerning that light in the consciences of people , which the preachers of the light within appeal to , and the subject of their exhortations by which men are converted and edified . 5 concerning ordinances . 6 concerning quaking and trembling . 7 concerning the sufficiency of the light , and the annointing within , to teach all that do believe . 8 concerning meeting together , and silent waiting upon the lord , with somewhat about back-sliders , and the spirit that acts them . 9 concerning humility and vnity . 10 concerning destroying the whore , discovering secrets and sufferings , &c. 11 concerning the word of god , and the scriptures , and the word and the writings truly distinguished . 12 concerning the infallible teacher , and that it is the spirit of god that gave forth the scriptures , and not the scriptures . the epistle to the reader . for as much as it hath pleased the god of truth and righteousness , most gloriously to appear in these last dayes in the hearts of his people , according to his promises of old , who hath said , that he would exalt his mountain upon the top of all mountains , and his house should be established , and his kingdome should be set up spiritually in the hearts of the children of men ; and he hath promised to dwell in men , and to walk in them , and write his law in their hearts , and put his spirit within them , and they should be his people , and he would be their god , and he alone would be their teacher and comforter , and his day-star should arise in their hearts , and the light of his glorious gospel should shine in their consciences . these things hath the lord promised , and he is a fulfilling of them in these our dayes in and amongst his people , blessed be his name for ever , for he hath opened the eyes of the blind and caused them to see , and light is risen out of obscurity , and darkness is passing away , and the light of the day , even of the day of god is approached nigh unto his people , and life and immortality hath he brought to light in his people , by the light of his glorious gospel which shines in their hearts ; and they are become the temple of the holy one , and his habitation is with them , and his promises are fulfilled and fulfilling abundantly this day ; our eyes have seen , our ears have heard , and we have tasted of the vvord of life which is revealed in us , and these things we cannot but bear witness of , and testifie concerning them unto all the world that they may partake with us of that heavenly virtue , and be satisfied therewith for evermore , through faith in christ jesus , and receiving of him to dwell in them , that they may not be reprobates , for all in whom christ is not , are reprobates , as it is written in the scriptures of truth . but notwithstanding , though the lord hath promised these things , and is now fulfilling of them amongst us to his glory and honour : yet that adversary the devil and satan , doth not cease to make opposition against this good work of the lord , if it were possible to prevent and stop the purpose of the almighty in his proceedings of fulfilling his promises unto his people ; and it is not unknown through these parts of the world , how many and divers kinds of oppositions the devil hath made through his children against the vvork of god ; what woful persecution of these late rears hath been brought forth upon the innocent people in whom the lord is fulfilling his promises ? what cruelty exercised ? what reproaches and slanders uttered ? and what obstructions and oppositions hath been made of these late years against an innocent people , t is hard to be exprest ; every city and town and country must bear witness of that cruel persecution and hard dealing that hath been exercised upon the innocent people , and for no other end , but for truth and righteousnesse fake , and from no other cause , but from the enmity of the seed of wickednesse in the ungodly world , for the end to oppose and stop the work of the lord , and these things are so , god , and angels , and saints , do bear witnesse . and also the opposition hath been great against the work of the lord , not onely by outward open opposition and persecution through prophane and cruel men , but also by the professors of religion of our age , even of such as have cryed , the temple of the lord , the temple of the lord are we , and such as have professed ordinances , churches and fellowships , and that have thought themselves to be men of wisdome and conscience , even such as these have lift up their hands against the lords work , and have consulted and imagined mischief against the lords interprize ; for as the prophane world have persecuted by cruel reproaches and abuses , imprisonments and unjust dealing as aforesaid ; so also have the professors and wise men of this generation preached , and prayed , and written books , and published their principal reasons and arguments against the way of the lord , and all this in the opposition to the work of the lord ; an evidence hereof is manifested by joseph wright in his testimony for the son of man , ( so called ) in which book he hath fully opposed and gain sayed the truth of the gospel , and the people bearing witness thereunto , amongst whom the work of the lord is blessed and prosperous , yet hath he partly out of ignorance , and partly out of malice , set himself in opposition against the work of the lord , and against his truth and people as aforesaid . and his said book occasionally coming to my hand by a friend of mine , in the fourth month last as i remember , and i looked into the book and read some part of it over , and did fully observe the current of the matter conteined in it , and the drift and intent of the spirit of the author , and in my meditations upon the same i found his work composed and made up of such kind of ingredients as these following . first , ignorance . secondly , malice . thirdly , lyes and slanders . fourthly , contradictions . and fifthly , downright opposition to the truth . i say , a certain composition i found in his book made up of all these mixtures , which he had published to the world . 1 his ignorance was apparent to me , in asmuch as he had in some things mistaken , and placed such and such things upon account against us ignorantly , and then seemed to confute them , and give his judgment against us thereupon , and this meerly upon mistake through ignorance , fasly supposing we held such a thing , which indeed we held not , and so flying out against us in judgment upon his ignorance and mistakes . 2 his malice was apparent , in asmuch as he had slandered us , and belied us without good ground and cause at all , having perverted our words and meaning in many things , and placed things against us , deeply charging of us without any sound reason at all rendred by him , but meerly ( as to me doth appear ) upon his own malice and hatred , purposely to render us odious to the world and to our enemies , which must needs be out of malice and emnity , and not out of love and gentleness to inform us better , and convert us if wee had been in error ; but i found him to be so far from that spirit of love and good will towards us , that he hath taken every occasion he could , and also made occasions falsly , to traduce us and to reproach us in the sight of our enemies , as it were on purpose to enrage the spirit of the ungodly world to destroy us . 3 his lyes and slanders were apparent in such an abundant manner throughout his book , that every page almost had some contained , even as great reproaches and accusations as well could be , as if we were hereticks , deniers of christ , having familiar spirits , witches and what not ; such kind of lyes and slanders as these i found a very great number in his book ; it is true , i have not accounted them in particular , but made a guesse at the whole sum , which i suppose may be above 200 of lyes , slanders , callumnies , falsereproaches , back-bitings , bitter words and such like . 4 his contradictions were apparent throughout his book in divers particulars , sometimes saying thus and so , and sometimes quite contrary , sometimes accusing us of one occasion , and some time accusing us of a contrary ; and thus his contradictions were made manifest , as in our answer is at large discovered , as the reader may observe . 5 his down-right opposition to the truth was apparent , in as much as throughout his book he hath opposed the very truth of the gospel , as particularly the light of christ which every man in the world is enlightned withall ; and concerning quaking and trembling , and concerning the anointing and the sufficiency of its teaching , and concerning destroying the whore , the word of god and scriptures ; all these things cum multis aliis , &c. he hath opposed and gainsayed directly or indirectly ; and thus as is made manifest in this following answer , his whole work is compounded of such mixtures and ingredients as aforesaid , as every impartial man may judge . well , upon my further considerations of his book , i found he had subtilly directed the current of his matter so as it might be taken notice of to be an eminent work , as he thought , and yet not so to be taken notice of , as if he had directed it immediatly is opposition to us called quakers ; for i found not that name once mentioned in all his book , and yet implicitely he had directed it to us , for his intent was i discovered to be against us , by that word so often scornfully rehearsed to the preachers of and to the light within all men , &c. and by divers other things i found that his book was intendedly against us ; and also that his said book well deserved an answer from us , that the malicious intent thereof might be diverted , though many other considerations presented themselves in my mind at my first looking into his work , as 1. the unreasonablenesse of the time of its bringing forth and publication to the world , ( thought i ) is this a time and fit season for us and them to fall into contention one with another , and to oppose each other , to the end , to discourage and dishearten each other in the sight of our publique enemies , who stands ready themselves to devour us both , and by all means seeks occasions against us , and to ruine us both , if it were possible , who doth account us as two parties of their greatest adversaries , and are persecuting and imprisoning of us as one in opposition to them , and would be glad to see us destroyed ; and it being thus with both us and the baptists ( so called ) thought i again how unseasonable this mans work is at this day , to fall to reproach us and traduce us in the fight of our enemies , thus opposing of us with tooth and nail , giving thereby occasion both to his and our enemies to mock at us and laugh us to scorn , rejoycing to see us whom they count their enemies falling together by the ears , and as it were tearing one another ; this i knew would be a great occasion to them against us both in such a season as this , when as it would have been more meet to have encouraged one another and strengthned one another in the way of truth and righteousnesse , and to have been helpfull to one another in our afflictions and sufferings , esp●cially in the things wherein we do agree , against the common open prophanenesse , and idolatry , and persecution which abounds at this day in the world , that we might have been a rejoycing one to another as brethren in truth , seeing we are both a suffering people at this day , and accounted brethren by our enemies , rather then a cause of affliction and grief , and greater tribulation one to another , as this same j. w. had endeavoured in his book to be the occasion of ; this and such like was my considerations , upon which i concluded the unseasonablenesse of the time of publication of his book , and the folly and weaknesse of its publisher . 2. i considered the errour and ignorance of the man , in respect of the subject of his matter as stated by him and prosecuted , which is this , against and in opposition to the light within , many times rehearsed oppositely and scornfully to the preachers of and to the l●ght within all men , making this the subject matter of his opposition , as if it were the greatest heresie that could be , that any should preach up a light within , and this i found he had set himself to oppose with might and main ; and this i found to be the principal subject of his treatise , because of which i considered the great ignorance of this man that would appear upon such a subject in such great opposition against it , whenas no one truth is more full and clear throughout the whole scriptures , then this doctrine of the light within , both in the old testament and the new ; as first of all , deut. 30.11 , 12 , 14. where moses the servant of god did preach to a●l israel in general , bo●h good and bad , the word that was nigh them in their hearts , and be exhorted them to bear that word that was within them , and to do it , and this word was in every one of them , to which moses did exhort them to hear it and obey it and thus its manifest that moses was a preacher of the word of god , and his light within men . again jer. 31. god promised to make a new covenant with the house of israel , i will put my law in their inward parts , and write it in their hearts , and they shall know me ( saith the lord ) from the least of them to the greatest , and they shall need no more , every man to teach his neighbour , but the law in their inward parts , and his spirit within them should teach them ; and thus it is plain , the prophet jeremiah was sent with a message of god , to preach the promise ( to wit ) the spirit of god put in the inward parts , and his law written in their hearts ; and thus was he a preacher of the light and law of god within men ; and david said , thy law is within my heart , psal. 49. again luke 17.20 , 21. when they asked jesus christ concerning the kingdom of heaven , he said , the kingdome of heaven is within you ; and in divers other places his parrables signified , that the loast groat was within , and that the pearl was within , and that the seed of the kingdom of god was sown in their hearts , mat. 13.19 . and rom. 10.18 . by all which and many other places it is an evident truth , that jesus christ and the apostle paul were preachers of the kingdom of heaven within men , and of the seed of the kingdom which was sown in their hearts , and of the word of god within in the heart ; and so it may be said , christ was a preacher of light within , for he told them of his word abiding within them , john 5.38 . and they had not the love of god in them , 42. vers . john 14.20 . and christ said , i am in my father , and you in me , and i in you , and if my words abide in you , ye shall ask what ye will ; and thus it is as clear as the sun at noon day , that christ was a preacher of the spirit , and of the light , and of the word , and of the love of god within men . again , the apostles preached the same , 2 cor. 13. chap. and the fifth , jesus christ is in you saith the apostle except you be reprobates and phil. 2.13 . it is god that works in you , said the apostle , and col. 3.16 . let the word of christ dwell in you , and 1 john 2.14 . and the word of god abideth in you , and verse 24. let that abide in you which you have heard from the beginning , and ephesians 3.20 . according to the power that works in us , and 2 tim 1 , 14. the holy ghost which dwells in us , and 1 john 4.12 . god dwelleth in us , and his love is perfected in us ; and thus throughout the whole current of scripture i might bring multitudes of proofs ; the apostles were ministers and preachers of the light within , the word of god within , the love of god within , the holy ghost within , christ within , yea and god within the saints ; yea , if this will not serve to prove that it is the ministry of christ jesus to preach the light and word of god within men , i should yet bring many more proofs out of the scriptures to manifest that christ and his apostles preached the light within men , not onely in the saints but in unbelievers ; take one scripture more , 2 cor. 4.6 . the light hath shined in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of god ; and thus it is clearly proved out of the scriptures against j. w. that the prophets christ and the apostles were preachers of the light and truth and spirit within ; and when i considered at large this same subject of his whole discourse , it appeared somewhat strange to me , that any reasonable man should draw up such a subject to make a whole book of opposition against it , like as it he had never read scriptures , seeing he had thus stated his matter intendedly against us called quakers , thinking by steering such a course be should confute us in some errours , whenas it s fully manifest that he hath steered his course in direct opposition to the scriptures and the truth therein contained ; and therefore we may conclude of his ignorance and errour , who hath thus justified the truth of our principles and doctrines while he hath thought to oppose them and confute them as errours , and so overthrown himself . 3 , i considered concerning returning an answer to his book , and i found it meet that it should be answered , for the end to clear the way of truth from his false and foul aspersions , which were made up by whole groces in his book , and also least he should glory and vaunt himself in his solly , as if none were able to answer him , nor to detect him of falshood , though i was not hasty in falling aboard upon him , and that for divers reasons . first , because my occasions were then very many and weighty , and that of far greater moment to be prosecuted then to leave them for answering of him . 2. because i saw no great occasion of present hast to fall upon him and to detect his unworthy work , for as to my own particular i could have let his book have passed without an answer , and all his lyes , and calumnies , and falshoods passed without hurt to our particulars , for we are satisfied in the truth of our way thousands of us blessed be god , notwithstanding all mens opposition . 3. because i would not willingly and hastily have given our publick enemies occasion to mock and scorn at us while they beheld us as it were tearing one another , and contending one against another , to the weakning of our selves and strengthning of them ; nor should i but upon this occasion have appeared publick in this manner against any suffering people , for it hath ever been my quality to comfort the afflicted and sufferers rather then to adde affliction to them ; but upon this occasion , i am forced to with-stand the insolency of io. wright , to reprove his lyes and slanders , and that publickly to the view of the world , and it could not well be avoided , so upon these reasons with some others the book lay by me divers weeks , till at last i have taken it under hand , for i have heard a report of some boasting amongst j.w. his brethren , as if his book could not be answered , but he had confuted us so , and so highly , unanswerably , and it s said by some that he was a whole year or more in bringing forth the said book , whereby it is proved a monster , and being brought forth its now imperfect and effects not the end propounded by its author ; well upon these reasons at my first spare opportunity i have looked thorow his book , and a dear friend of mine while i was absent hence in the work of the lord elsewhere , begun the work for me , and hath answered a part of it , and it is published with no other end nor intent but onely to discover the truth and to reprove falshood , and if it prove effectual to any as to inform them to a distinguishment between truth and errour , to discern the difference between the one and the other , and if any be edified in the truth hereby , i have my end and desire , and if it shall work ( through the spirit of god ) any conviction in the heart of our adversaries , and if io. wright shall see what he hath done , and repent , my end is fulfilled , but if not i am satisfied in what i have done , finding it to be my duty to send forth this answer in pursuit of , and to detect j.w. his slanders and reproaches , errours and contradictions . and now i must commit the serious reader to the grace of god , and to the spirit of sound judgement , that thereby he may read and weigh the one and the other , and that he may justly judge by the rule of equity and scripture proof , the difference of the controversie , and the right , truth , and justice of the one , and the errour and falsity of the other , that he may be edified in this matter , for the end that he may follow truth and righteousnesse as it is discovered to him , and deny deceit and falshood where ever he shall meet with it ; and thus i shall leave the reader to the serious view of the whole matter , as hereafter it followes . london the 9th . day of 7th . month 1661. being a true friend to all that love truth and righteousnesse , and one that loves his enemies . edward burroughs . a preface . to the people called anabaptists who are herein concerned , for the clearing of the truth to them and others who scruple concerning it or the light of it within . friends , what a sad thing is it , that you that profess the name of christ and to be his flock , should be so unwise , and shew your selves so indiscreet and irrational , as to discover such a spirit of bitternesse and enmity ( especially in this day of tryal both of you and us ) against such as are conscientious towards god in what he hath made known ( though in judgement differing from you ) as here that spirit of enmity and malice is plainly discovered , in what hath proceeded from it in this book , called , a testimony for the son of man , &c. subscribed by one joseph wright , who it appears , is accounted no mean man amongst you , for he accounts himself so nearly related to you , whom he calls the beloved flock of christ , ( who are the people called anabaptists which he intends ) that he saith , he hath been appointed by many of you ( though unworthy ) for a defence of that truth of the gospel which you profess ; but if you were in the truth of the gospel , you would not have appointed such a reviler and insolent man for a defence of it , nor of you in it , as this jos. wright hath clearly discovered he is , as is clearly manifest in his reviling , reproaching and slandering such as he calls preachers of and to the light within all men , whom his book is contrived against ( he intending the suffering people called quakers , who own and walk in the light of christ in them ) against which light he hath also so greatly manisted his enmity , as if he could not contain his malice , nor these many sad aspersions and black revilings in his book , which he hath produced from the spirit of antichrist and blasphemy in him ; and though he hath appeared in his pride , presumption , and boasting spirit , and as one appointed by you for an eminent defender of your way , as if he were some wonderful champion and great warriour , yet by the light which he hath reproached is he discovered , and his weakness and folly made manifest , and he seen to be as feeble a warriour and child of babylon as ever formed a weapon , or lifted up a hand ( so publickly as he hath done ) against the israel of god ; and if you were in gods fear and true humility , and well considered your own state , and the state of such as are reviled by this your defender , you would not own nor suffer such babylonish bratts , and dirty frothy stuff to proceed from amongst you , as this said book of j. wrights , considering these things . first , these are suffering times , which both you and we are in , and how especially we are lyable to suffer for our consciences , in our obeying that testimony committed to us , not onely by mens reproaches , but also by acts of cruelty and persecution inflicted upon us , because we cannot deny the lord in what we are perswaded he requires of us . 2. such revilings & reproaches as j. wright hath spread forth against us in the sight of our persecutors , tend rather to add affl●ction to us , and to stir up our persecutors in cruelty against us then otherwise ; seeing that he hath so much accused and reviled us under the names of workers of wickedness , forerunners of the man of sin , lyars , blasphemers , deluders , with many more reviling names , which falsly and unjustly he hath cast upon us , chiefly for preaching up the law & light within men , which is the light of christ ; and in all his mater there is no just evidence against us , wherein he hath manifested himself as a partaker with the persecuting generation who smite against us with the fist of wickednes , wch his work tends to encourage and strengthen , whilest he is smiting with the tongue like the wicked ( who shoot their arrows against the righteous ) and casting out his mire and dirt upon such as fear the lord and walk in his light. thirdly , if you truly weighed your own state , and minded the rule of equity in your own consciences , to do to others as you would be done by , you would not spread abroad such reviling books and bundles of confusion as tend to cause others to suffer who are concientious towards god in what they know , knowing that in these times , if you be true to your own principles , you are lyable to suffer also for your consciences , by such as would assume to themselves a power to be judges in matters of conscience and religion , though they dare not own themselves to be infallible in their judgements notwithstanding . fourthly , considering how many have opened their mouths , and published their books and pamphlets against us , and how little all their work hath effected or brought forth against us , and how we have in the testimony of a good conscience been made to trample upon and discover our enemies works , which have so often been brought to nought ; this might have hindered this untimely and monstrous birth of j. vv's from coming abroad , which though he hath been a long time a bringing it forth , it must be turned back into the pit of darkness and belly of confusion , where it was conceived , though it appears he was so conceited in his work , and impudency and pride was so high in him , that he thought to prevail more then the rest of his predecessors , who were of the dragons army , that have opposed the truth before him , and that his work would have been more effectual then any besides , that hath been brought forth against us ; but herein is he and all that believe him and his work deceived , for both the weakness , confusion and falshood of his matter is easie to see by any unprejudiced persons who have but common sence and reason ; for he hath not onely , openly and falsly reviled us , whom the lord hath delivered out of darkness into his light and life made manifest in us , but also he hath set himself to oppose and revile the light of christ in all men , and hath done what in him lies , to keep all people at a distance from christ who is the true light , as one not willing that christ should have any room to dwell , either in his people or in any upon earth ; for this jos. wright who saith he hath been appointed by many of you for a defence &c. in his epistle to you ( whom he calls the beloved flock of jesus christ ) he writes to all them that call upon the name of the lord jesus christ , who sits at the right hand of god the father in the heavens , out of every man on earth , ( he saith ) and to such wisheth blessings , riches of grace , &c. wherein you that own this j. w. as a defence of truth may note first how absolutely he hath set himself against christ and the truth , who herein hath gone about to limit or divide the holy one from his people and members , ( as also further appears in his following matter ) and whose doctrine tends to keep all out of the faith of the true church , and so in the reprobate state , contrary to the apostles doctrine , who saith , 2 cor. 13.5 . examine your selves whether ye be in the faith , prove your own selves , know you not your own selves how that jesus christ is in you except ye be reprobates ; so that he that knows not that jesus christ in him is out of the faith , and so a reprobate , and much more he that preaches to keep all from knowing jesus christ in them while on earth . 2. and in that j. w. hath accounted christ as he is at the right hand of god the father , not to be in any man , but out of every man upon earth , he hath gone about to separate the saints from the right hand of god , and so hath discovered himself both ignorant of christ and of the fathers right hand , and of the kingdom of heaven in the saints ; for they that are come to christ , and to know him in them , they are come to the fathers right hand , and being christs sheep none shall pluck them out of his fathers hands . 3. also about this thing hath j. w. confuted himself , for he hath acknowledged that blessings , glory , and praises are to be ascribed unto the onely wise god throughout all ages in the churches , by his onely son jesus christ , which plainly implies that then jesus christ must be in the churches , or how should praises be given by him in the churches to the onely wise god , or how should any glorifie or praise the onely wise god by jesus christ unlesse he be in them . also after this j. w. hath thus told people of jesus christ , being out of every man on earth , he hath set himself to oppose the light of christ ( in all men ) who is the true light that enlightens every man that cometh into the world. for in his epistle , he tells of giving you a discription of one ( viz. errour and delusion ) that is most dangerous , and that which he hath chiefly written against , is preaching the law & light within , and also accounts it a sad principle of the spirit of antichrist , which now ( he saith ) runns about preaching up the law or light within ; as also he accounts this doctrine , gross darkness , and so warns you against it : as also he saith , there hath risen up a most pernitious stratagem of satan , whereby to delude the children of god and men , it is a teaching up the light within all men , and he calls them that are in unity with that principle , the messengers of antichrist , and that a doctrine of antichrist , and a device of satan , and chargeth us with detestable blasphemies about it , &c. so that this jospeh vvright , hath not onely shewed himself against christs being in his people , but also he hath sought to keep men from his light in them , as one that would shut up the kingdom of god against men , that they might not enter into it ; and so he hath uttered forth his rage and blasphemy against the light of christ , and his law in men , who is come a light into the world , that whosoever believeth in him , may not perish but have eternal life , whose law and light it is that we preach ; and christ told the pharisees , that the kingdom of god was within them , luke 17. though they were wicked men , and sought to shut up the kingdome of god against others , as this j. vv. hath done , in his foaming out his own shame , and uttering his rage and folly against the light within , so that he might as well have reviled christ , and said , that he preached up a delusion , and a most pernitious stratagem of satan , and a device of satan , as so charge us for preaching those things that are agreeable to the doctrine of christ ; and yet note that notwithstanding all this mans raging against this doctrine of the light within all men , and his reviling it as delusion , and a most pernitious stratagem of satan , and gross darknesse , he hath ( in page 165 ) distinguished the light which is in us and all men , from the spirit of darkness , as accusing our speaking to be not from the light within all men , nor from the light within our selves , but from the spirit of darkness , &c. which though he hath falsly accused our speaking , yet he hath hereby truly implyed , that there is a light in us , and all men that is opposite or contra-to the spirit of darkness ; and thus he bewrayes his own confusion and folly about the light of christ in all men , one while to rail so bitterly against it and the doctrine of it , as the most pernicious delusion , stratagem of satan , and gross darkness ; another while so intimately to grant to a light within all men ( which leads to speak truth ) as opposite to the spirit of darkness ; as also in page 16 , 20.28 , 29.41 . this joseph wright saith , that the light within , is no other then the work of the law written in the hearts of the gentiles , rom. 2.14 , 15. and then he saith , it is evident that these preachers , are preachers of the law , not of the gospel , &c. see what gross darkness and confusion this man is in , who cannot distinguish between the law of god within and the work of it , counting the law or light within the work of the law , like as if he had said , that the law of god within is the work of the law within , when as the work of the law is that which is effected by the law , as distinct from the law it self , as much as a conviction or convincement is distinct from that which convinceth ; and we in owning the law of god and its work within , do not deny the gospel nor christ as we are accused , no more then the apostle did , when he went not about to make void the law , but to establish it , as it was to be obeyed and fulfilled in the faith of christ , in whose hand is the righteous law , that manifests sin , and witnesseth against it , and this was the covenant that god promised , to put his laws in the mind , and write them in the hearts , heb. ● . and said the apostle , rom. 2.13 , 14. for not the hearers of the law are just before god , but the doers shall be justified ; and this he brings as his reason ; for when the gentiles which have not the law , do by nature the things contained in the law , these having not the law , are a law unto themselves , which shew the work of the law written in their hearts , &c. herein he does not go about to destroy the light or law , or the work of it within , nor to render it a delusion , nor a sad principle of antichrist , nor a most pernitious stratagem of satan ( as j. w. hath done ) but owns and vindicates it , and those that through faith attained unto its righteousness , which the jews by works out of the faith did not . so let any rational or indifferent man judge , whether this j. vv. hath not in effect accused the apostle paul , and the prophet jeremiah and others , with preaching up a most dangerous delusion , a sad principle of antichrist , gross darkness , and a most pernitious stratagem of satan , &c. seeing that he hath thus reviled the law and light within , and the work of it in the heart [ mentioned in rom. 2 15. ] under these tearms ; and thus hath he manifested the malice and rancor of his imbittered spirit against the light and law of christ , and work of it in the hearts , and so hath shewed himself an enemy to the covenant of god , which was to jews and gentiles , isa. 42.6 . jer. 31. and so instead of giving a testimony against the son of perdition , he hath absolutely appeared in his work ; and after his so much blasphemy against the light in all men , and our preaching of it up , he is made to confess to the light in us and all men , as a differing thing from the spirit of darkness , [ as in page 165. ] it should seem that when he writ that , he had forgotten his former revilings against the light in all men . thus you who are called anabaptists , may see the bruitishnesse and confusion of this unworthy man , who hath been appointed by many of you for a defence , as he saith ; and what credit or profit will this work be unto you , though he set up himself as a teacher of the churches of christ ; and in the same epistle that he writes to those he calls the beloved flock of christ , that are in the faith and fellowship of him , according to his glorious gospel , when he has bidden them beware of hearkening to preachers up of the light , he saith , but if you shall not be warned , i have as to this done my duty , your blood will lie upon your own heads . so you may here see what a teacher of the beloved flock of christ ( that are in the faith and fellowship of him ) this joseph wright is , to lay the same words upon them that concerned the jews that blasphemed , and opposed themselves against the truth when paul spoke to them , acts 18.6 . as if the beloved flock of christ that are in the faith had not yet taken warning , but might be guilty of their own blood , as joseph wrights words do imply ; and yet this flock is both in the fellowship and faith of christ ; was there ever such absurdity and confusion as this ! and further , you may take notice , how that after joseph wright hath so much reviled and blasphemed the light within , he hath willingly manifested himself an open enemy to the light and the doctrine of it , where , in his epistle to the reader , he hath laid down these words , viz. although we have both preached and printed against this device of satan , and have born witnesse very much against this delusion , yet so simple are some , both people and teachers as to rank us with them , as co-partners and such as are espoused to that doctrine which teacheth up the law or light within all men , &c. but the lord knows it , and so shall you one day , if you shall not believe it now , that to entertain such a doctrine would be to commit a rape , not onely upon our very consciences , but also upon our meanest principles ; and it is no small grief to us to bear the least tittle of their inventions , neither do we preach or practize any thing at all as from them , &c. these are joseph wrights very words , wherein you may see what presumption and impudency hath appeared in him against the law & light and such as preach it , as one that is vexed and grieved that ever any should repute him as a co-partner with such as preach and own the the law or light within ; and so like a hypocrite and man-pleaser , he hath appeared as one that would get in favour with those that are enemies to the law and light within , by his exclaiming against it and them that own it ; though in page 165. he hath implicitely confessed to the light within all men as contrary to the spirit of darkness , and thus all may see this mans wickedness and confusion ; and you who have owned him as your teacher , or a defence of your way , may be ashamed of him , and it is a shame and disgrace to your profession , that ever such dirty stuff and absurdities should proceed from amongst you , as this j. vv. who hath been so much set up amongst you , hath uttered forth against the truth and them that live in it ; who though he pretends to lay down our own principles ( who preach and own the light within ) as if they were sufficiently known to be ours both by our words of mouth and books , yet many things hath he charged against us as ours , both as to principles and matters of fact , which he neither mentions the authors of , nor the books of ours by which they were asserted ; and thus in the greatest part of his accusations and charges against us hath he dealt deceitfully , ( like him who is the father of lyes and lyars , who when he speaketh a lye he speaketh of himself ) and not as a rational man , and in very many things he hath absolutely wronged our principles and practises , and charged as apparent falshoods upon us as ever was , as hereafter is made manifest to the shame of him that was the authour of the said lying book ( called a testimony for the son of man , &c. ) and the shame of all such false spirits as own him in his work ; we see that god hath appeared in judgement against you and your way , and a line of confusion is come over you , since that so many of you ( especially of your leaders ) have set themselves in their envy and malice against us who are in the power of truth ; what do you think that spreading your railing and false books against us will gain you favour from the prophane world , and be any means to rescue you from persecution , or suffering under the powers of the earth ? do you think to save your selves by reviling the innocent , as some of the leaders in your way have gotten themselves out of prison by swearing contrary to christs doctrine after they have been imprisoned for denying to swear , * ( when so many of our friends were in prisons for refusing to swear for conscience sake to christ ) and not onely so , but several of them who have long been reputed eminent in your way , have ( like men-pleasers ) written to vindicate swearing and oaths , as treacherous men both to god , to their own consciences , and to his innocent and conscientious people , such as you have reviled and bespattered with reproaches ( in the book here answered ) who would be loath to be so treacherous to god and their own consciences , as many in your way have been , whatever we suffer either from you or from the persecuters in the same envious spirit which is among you ; and yet this know , that we had not publisht this against any of you , had we not had that great occasion given us by this piece of wicked work which joseph wright ( your defender ) hath brought forth , wherein we who preach the light of christ within , are not onely slandered and bespattered with his lyes and calumnies as men , but also the truth of god which we are in and suffer for , is blasphemed , belyed , and perverted , even in the sight of our enemies ; in vindication whereof we were necessitated to give this forth , and to deal thus plainly with your principles which are published by your pretended defender , otherwise we could have been silent as from medling with you in this kind , for it is no pleasure to us to bestow so much labour upon such a heap of confusion and absurdities as i. vv. his work is , nor to upbraid you with your confusion and weaknesse in what you professe , especially since you are as in a suffering state , and like to suffer ( as we are ) if you be true to your principles , and conscientious towards god in what you know or professe ; but you may see the urgent occasion given against us and the truth , for what we do in this thing . and though i.vv. does not name the word quakers by name , yet it is all one as if he had done it , whilst he so often in general words upbraids such as preach the light within ; for we called quakers are known to be the people he all along so peevishly smites against , seeing that we are known so generally to own and preach the light within as the saints of old did , and in that light of christ in us we see light , and therein are as a city set upon a hill which cannot be hid , and are in that truth and life which will out-live our opposers and persecuters , and do know that power manifest in us which out-shines all the dead and empty forms , professions and traditions of all who are out of the life and power of godlinesse , and in that hath the lord given us strength and the spirit of understanding to see beyond , and to stand over our opposers , and the envy and subtilty of the serpent in such as rise up in judgment against us . glory to our god for ever and ever . and now we come to some of the heads of joseph wrights matter in charge against such as preach the law and light within . chap. i. concerning the light within , and christs coming in the flesh and dying for all men . j.w. his first charge is in these words , viz. the first thing i lay to thy charge whosoever thou art that preachest up the light within men , requiring all people to mind the light which is within them , is this , that thou dost deny that christ which dyed at jerusalem , and denyest jesus christ come in the flesh , and thy spirit is the spirit of antichrist &c. and the first proof for his charge is in these words , viz. 1. because in all thy preaching , teaching , and declaring , thou never makes mention of christs dying for the sins of the world , nor that he tasted death for every man , thou art altogether silent in this doctrine of christs dying for man in the body of his flesh , &c. and his second proof is in these words , viz. 2. because as is thy word of mouth , even so is thy writings , for amongst them all and in them all there is not one line which teacheth that christ did dye for the sins of the world , and freely laid down his life as a ransome for sinners , &c. answer , as his charge is universal against all that preach up the light within , it is both false and slanderous , as also all his proofs for it , so that he might as well have said , that the light of christ in all men , and the doctrine of christ which directs to it , doth deny christ and his coming in the flesh , when as on the contrary , all who truly own and believe in the light of christ-in them , by it they come to be led to the knowledge of christ from whence it comes , and to the power of his death and the vertue of his life , which none can truly know but as they are led by the light of christ within , which giveth the knowledge of the glory of god , and of those things that are freely given to us of god , and christ said believe in the 〈…〉 t that you may be children of the light , john 12.36 . did christ herein deny himself or his coming in the flesh , as falsly j. vv. accuseth all that preach the light within ; and in that we are included in his proofs as never mentioning christs tasting death for every man , either in our preaching or writings ; in this he hath notoriously belyed us , as thousands may witness against him , who have heard us both preach up and contend for the free grace of god to all men , and thereby that christ tasted death for every man , and dyed for all men , and gave him self a ransom for all to be testified of in due time , heb. 2.9 . 1 tim. 2.6 . 2 cor. 5.14 . 1 john 2.2 . which also as a testimony against j. w. in many of our books , vindicate the free grace of god in christ to all men , and his dying for all , as in a book intituled , the voice of wisdom , by g. w. page 12. and at large in a book intituled , rusticus ad accademicos , by s. f. in both which priest danson is answered , and his pleading against christs death for all men , and his free grace to all confuted ; as also in a book called , a brief discovery , by g.w. as in many more books of ours , the free grace of god to all , and christs dying for all men is declared . also j. w. his third proof for his said charge against all that preach the light within , is as false as his former , where he laies down these words ( to wit ) thou dost not gather men and women into communion with christ by faith , teaching them to believe in jesus christ , &c. which thing he himself , who hath openly opposed the light of christ in all ( and counted the doctrine of it a stratagem of satan ) is guilty of , and not we that own the light ; for it is the light that brings into communion with god and his son jesus christ , for they that say they have fellowship with him , and walk in darkness , they lye and do not the truth , but they that walk in the light , are in the true fellowship and faith , and know the blood of christ to cleanse them from all sin : also j. vv. his charging us with gathering by works and not by faith , in warning all people to look to the light within , and such as receive this doctrine , with being as ignorant as heathens and absolute infidels ; in this hath he slandered us , and shewed himself to be an infidel , who sees not the light within , 〈◊〉 owns it , for the infidels were such as in whom the god of the world did blind their minds from seeing the light of the glorious gospel , which shineth in the heart , and giveth the knowledge of the glory of god to them that believe in it , and so works without faith we deny , but the works that are wrought in the faith and in the light we own ; and though j. w. hath so much warned people from looking to the light within , as that which must bring them to reconciliation and justification , yet in pages 124. and 125. he hath contradicted his matter against the light within , for there he speaks of being set free and justified by performing the condition of the second covenant , as repentance , faith , and gospel obedience which those that have sined may perform through the assistance of gods spirit , &c. as also he saith , so far forth as persons come to be in covenant with christ , and are enabled by him to walk according to his direction , so far are these said to have christ formed in them , that is , to be brought into a blessed destate of freedom from the guilt of sin , of freedom from the power and dominion of sin , of assurance of redemption from the first death , and of deliverance from the second , and so by christ to be intituled to eternal life , &c. now how should those who have sinned perform the condition of the second covenant , through the assistance of gods spirit , or come into the true faith and gospel obedience , and to know christ formed in them , unless that gods spirit or light be known or owned within ; and if those that have sinned , may come to this state of faith and obedience , and freedom from the guilt and power of sin by the spirit of god , then a measure of this spirit or light is given to all men without exception , seeing that the sinners themselves are not exempted from it , according to j. w. his own words ; and thus hath he grosly confounded himself in his own , while rayling against the preaching up of the light within , and another while , confessing to the spirit of god or light even in the wicked . j. w. his fourth charge is thus , ( viz. ) thou which preachest that all men should mind the light which is within them , dost deny the christ of god which dyed at jerusalem , because thou hast said to me , when i have made as large a confession of christ as i now have done , that i am ignorant of christ , &c. answer , what a silly reason is this , against those that preach that all should mind the light within ; as if he had said , that because he has made a large confession of christ , therefore he is not ignorant of him ; when as the devil who favours not the things of god , hath been made to confesse christ , and many do confess christ in words , as largly as j. w. and yet are ignorant of him , and of the power of his death and sufferings , as j. w. is whilest he shews him self an enemy to the light of christ which we own ; and we do not deny either the coming of christ , or his suffering in the flesh , as we are falsly accused by this reviler ; neither do we deny christs reconciling of the world , nor teach any thing contrary to that of rom. 5.10 . 2 cor. 5.19 . as j. w. hath implicitely accused us ; for we know and preach reconciliation through christs death , and salvation through his life , whose life is the light of men , and this is not any establishing of our own righteousnesse , as falsly we are accused ; neither are we strangers unto the doctrine of justification by the grace of god through the redemption that is in christ , whom god hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood ; but how are any justified by the grace of god , whilst they deny the light within ; for is not the light of christ within the free gift of his grace , which hath appeared to all men , and which by his righteousness hath come upon all men , rom. 5.18 . titus 2.11 . which righteousness is received where the light of christ within is obeyed , and he thereby made known to be a propitiation through faith in his blood ; and we who are come to own this in the true faith , are come to self-denyal , and to deny self-righteousness , contrary to j. w. his false accusations against us who preach the light within . who also saith in his twelfth page , but self must be denyed and self righteousness , which is of the law , yea , when men have done all whatsoever they are commanded , they are to say , with humble hearts they have done but what was their duty , &c. answer , what an ignoramus is this man , who puts no difference betwixt self-righteousness which is to be denyed , and the doing whatsoever we are commanded , which is our duty , as if he had said , in denying self-righteousness , you must deny your duty , or that self-righteousness is mens duty , when as that which brings men to do their duty to god in obeying his commands is of god ; and though man as in the servants state may abase and humble himself , yet that principle of faith which brings him to do his duty , is to be esteemed of , and as in that he lives , he comes to be reckoned among the faithful and profitable servants of christ , who become his friends through faithfulnesse , and christ said unto such , i call you no more servants but friends , and this is further then the unprofitable servants state . and whereas j. w. chargeth such as strangers to justification by faith in the blood of christ , who say , that so far as the creature is brought out of the filth of this world , and to leave sin , so far onely is he justified before god , &c. as also he tells of a poor sinner standing justified before god , and of god justifying the creature , while it is in its sins , in its blood , page 14. answer , herein hath j. w. shewed himself ignorant of justification before god by faith , and of the state of justification , for the creature is not justified as a sinner , nor in that state wherein it is in the filth of the world , and in its blood , but as it is made just in christ , being justified from sin and ungodliness , and not in sin , and justified from those things from which it could not be justified by the law of moses , and it is not the hearers of the law that are just before god , but the doers that shall be justified ; so this justification is not without sanctificaon , as deceivers do falsly imagine a justification of men , when they are in the filth of the world , contrary to the apostles doctrine , who said to the corinthians , but ye are washed , but ye are sanctified , but ye are justified in the name of the lord jesus , and by the spirit of our god , 1 cor. 6.11 . so that he did not deny following the light or spirit of god within , as in reference to mans justification , nor preach up a justification of men when they are in the filth of the world , and in their blood as j. w. hath done , who notwithstanding , hath in page 124. owned a justification by performing the condition of the second covenant , through the assistance of gods spirit , and that so far forth as persons are in covenant with christ , and are enabled to walk according to his direction , so far are they in a blessed estate , as in page the 125. and is not that blessed estate and freedom from the guilt , power and dominion of sin , and assurance of eternal life and a justified estate ( supposeth j.w. ) how hath he confounded him self in these things who hath also granted that they that believe are taught to be holy , as he which hath called them is holy , and to be holy in all manner of conversation , because it is written , be ye holy , for i the lord your god am holy , 1 pet. 1 14 , 15. lev. 19.2 . how then are any justified while they are in the filth of the world in their sins and in their blood ? thus all may see what gross absurdity , confusion and ignorance this j. w. is in ; who also saith , the humble do see themselves in a lost and undone estate by reason of sin , which they and all the world are guilty of finding themselves under the curse of the law , &c. what falshood and confusion is this , when as those that are truly humble are taught of the lord , and freed from the guilt of sin , according to this mans own confession , and the humble and contrite heart is a sacrifice to god , and not to be reckoned under the guilt of the worlds sin , nor under the curse of the law , as this j. w. hath falsely accused the humble , who are of contrite spirits whom god regards . also j. w. hath accused such as followers of the romish synagogue , and as being messengers of satan , who preach up the light within , saying , that they lead all such as follow them from christ to themselves , setting up themselves , &c. as also he saith , they set up that which is indeed the darkness of this world , the traditions of men , the doctrines of the romish harlot , page 21. answ. what an absurd and foolish slanderer is this man , who distinguisheth not between the light within men , and the men themselves , when as they who truly preach the light of christ within do not lead them from christ to themselves , but to that which is not of themselves , that they may come to deny themselves , as he hath taught , and this we own , which is no setting up of strife , nor of the darknesse of this world , neither is it any tradition of men , or doctrine of the romish harlot , as impudently and falsly j. w. hath charged against such as preach the light within , and so hath manifested himself to be one of them who put light for darkness , and darknesse for light , unto whom woes belongs , isa. 5 , 20. and the more he strives against the light the more he confounds and splits himself against the rock , who having confessed that what we preach is the work of the law in the hearts , rom. 2.15 . and as much as that there is a light in us and all men , contrary to the spirit of darknesse , and now chargeth us with setting up the darknesse of this world , and the doctrines of the romish harlot ; what grosse darknesse , confusion and blasphemies hath he here uttered forth ; if j. w. his heart were not filled with envy and malice , he would not shew himself thus impudent in his folly and confusion . chap. ii. concerning the nature and state of christ , and the soul of man , and the saints partaking of the divine nature ; and how j.w. hath confounded himself , and shewed his blindnesse about these things . joseph wright's words , viz. thou art a deceiver , for thou sayest not that the flesh and bones , humane soul and spirit of that man which was born of mary the virgin , is the christ ; but thou making no mention of the humane nature , that which thou callest the christ is the seed , spirit , or light in that man that was born of mary , p. 23 , 24. &c. answer , that which we own to be the christ is the same that the apostles and true believers owned ; to wit , that jesus christ our lord was made of the seed of abraham and david according to the flesh , and declared to be the son of god with power , according to the spirit of holinesse by the resurrection from the dead , and the seed which the promise is to is christ , and the last adam was made a quickning spirit , and the lord is that spirit , set rom● 1.3 , 4. ● cor. 15.45 . gal. 3.16 . 2 cor. 3.17 . was the apostle paul a deceiver for speaking these things ( supposeth j. w ? ) which are the same things we speak , though he count us d●ceivers , and is not this seed or spirit which is christ , in them that believe ? yet j. w. hath confessed that it ought not to be denyed , that the spirit of holinesse in that person which was born of the virgin mary is the son of god by eternal generation , &c. why then hath he judged any to be deceivers for confessing that spirit ( or seed ) to be christ ; and we confesse jesus christ to be come in the flesh , is it then improper to say the seed which is christ came in the flesh , and was in that person that was born of the virgin mary , seeing that as he was so manifest in the flesh he was the true christ , without any of j. w. his blind distinctions , who after he hath granted that the spirit of holinesse in that person is the son of god by eternal generation , he saith , that the humane nature also of that person is the son of god by temporal generation , and yet there are not two christs but one , &c. did you ever hear such doctrines as these , which are all one as if he had said that the spirit of holinesse and humane nature are both one , or that divine and humane are both one , when as they are two distinct things , that which is humane is of the earth , as the first man was , as humane is of homo , which comes of humus the ground , of which man was made , ( as 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , i.e. humanus , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , terra , aut humus , ) but that which is divine is from above , as christ is , who is lord from heaven ; now though this christ in time took part of that which the children had , viz. flesh and bloud , heb. 2.14 . yet we never read that humane nature is christ , nor that the flesh and bloud is christ by temporal generation ; for to assert that is all one as to say that christ ( who is lord from heaven ) took upon him christ in time , ( but christ in the flesh we read of and own ) neither do we read in the scripture that the soul of christ is a humane soul , for is not his soul divine and immortal ? what , is humane and immortal both one ? or hath he two souls in one body or person of such differing kinds ? and if the humane nature be christ , and all mankind be of the same substance with christ according to that nature , as j. w. saith , page 116. then it followes that the humane or earthly nature of all mankind is christ , and then they that would know christ and be saved by him , they must own their earthly ( or humane ) nature to be christ or the son of god , and look to be saved by it ; did ever the apostles preach such a christ as this ? they that cannot see j. w. his ignorance of christ his nature , soul and spirit , they are in grosse darknesse . now though we deny j. w. his unscripture-like ( and blind ) distinction , from which it follows that either there must be two christs in one person , or else that humane and divine are both one , which no ingenuous person will own ; and though we deny his vainly imagining a humane or carnal christ like himself , yet still we own the true christ according to the scriptures , who according to the flesh was of the seed of abraham and david , and according to the spirit is declared to be the son of god with power by the resurrection , and that he was the word which was made flesh and dwelt in the disciples , john 1.14 . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , and his death as concerning the flesh , and his resurrection and ascension according to the scriptures of truth we own , and that he is glorified with the father in the same glory which he had with the father before the world began , and as in that state his nature , body , soul , and spirit are spiritual , divine , and immortal , at the right hand of power , for as he had power to appear in the transfiguration , and after his resurrection to appear in divers forms , and amongst the disciples when the doors were shut , john 20. so now he being glorified with the father in that his transcendent glory , he is in a further state then in the dayes of the flesh , when his body was subject to hunger , cold , or other sufferings upon earth ; and he is not to be supposed to be like unto corruptible man , or a christ of the same substance with sinful polluted men , though he be the same christ still , the same to day yesterday and for ever , not divided , and is the same that descended into the lower parts of the earth , who is ascended far above all heavens , that he might fill all things with his fulnesse , who hath said , that no man hath ascended up to heaven but the son of man which came down from heaven , which is in heaven , john 3.13 . eph. 4.9 , 10. psal. 68.18 . j. vv. saith p. 27. what do they lesse then say i am christ , which say i speak to the light in thy conscience which shall eternally witnesse me ; what mean they by this word me , which they say is eternally to be witnessed , is there any thing that is eternally to be witnessed but the eternal god and his son jesus christ ? answ. if j w. did not know what we mean , that is , to be eternally witnessed ( as appears he did not ) then he should not have judged us with directing people unto our selves ( or with saying we are christ ) therein he hath judged us falsly , for that which is eternally to be witnessed is christ who speaketh in us , mat. 10.20 . 2 cor. 2.17 . & 4 , 5. & 13.3 . who may speak in his own name , and such as would stop his mouth from speaking where he is manifest , are of antichrist . and also j. w. his accusing us with not confessing that iesus christ is come in the flesh , and with onely saying he is come into our flesh , &c. these are as false as the rest of his slanders against us , and therein hath he contradicted himself , for before he accused us for saying that christ is the seed , spirit , or light in that man which was born of mary ; what then , do not we confesse christ come in the flesh , and must we deny christ come in our flesh ? then seeing that christ come in the flesh is a general word not onely including that body which he took upon him in the womb of the virgin , but also the flesh of all his people , who are members of his body , of his flesh , and of his bone , eph. 5.13 . and the following of the light within thereby to attain unto righteousnesse , doth not at all render the death of christ in vain , as j. w. imagines , for the saints in walking in the light knew the bloud of christ to cleanse them from all sin , and purified their souls in obeying the truth through the spirit , 1 pet. 1.22 . 1 john 1.7 . and this was not any making of the death of christ in vain , but by the light or spirit of christ a witnessing the end fulfilled in them , for which christ suffered , that they might live unto him ; and how should any hear christ in all things , deut. 18.15 acts 3.22 . ( as j. w. saith ) unlesse they follow the light of christ within , for wch preaching j. w. in his rage hath called us men of belial , p. 30. so what grosse ignorance and confusion is he in ! and as for christs saying if the light that is in thee be darknesse , how great is that darknesse , mat. 6.23 . this hath relation to that state where the eye is evil , where that is supposed to be the light which is darknesse , upon which their supposition ( who were in that state ) christ spake these words , for the light of christ is the same that ever it was , and in it self is unchangeable , though in some it shine in darknesse , and the darknesse comprehends it not . and as for those that spoke not according to the word of whom it s said , it is because there is no light in them , isa. 8.20 . which j. w. also alledges , they were such as walked in darknesse , unto whom there was no morning , as the hebrew word signifies , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for many speak contrary to the word , that are reproved by the light of christ in them as j. w. may see his own guilt thereby if he be not past feeling ) and yet such are come short of the morning , for the light shineth in darknesse among such as are not led by it to the morning , nor receive instruction from it . and note further , that though this j. w. hath so much set himself against the light within , and does not own it to be in all , yet in page 108 he hath confessed that the old ungodly world that were destroyed by the flood of waters would not be turned by the strivings of gods spirit , but refused that grace that was so affectionately tendred to them , &c. wherein to his own confusion he is made to confesse to the truth ; for then if the old ungodly world had the spirit of god so striving with them , and the grace of god so tendred to them , what ignorant men are they that deny the extent of the grace of god , or the light of christ now to the world , and will not own it to be in the ungodly , nor that they should look to or follow it in them now ? what , was not the old world as wicked as the world now is , or is the grace of god or his mercy now , lesse then it was to the old world ? j. w. in pag 110. saith of christ , it is he that hath two distinct natures in one intire person , no person else hath the like in him , in him onely dwelleth the fulness of the god-head bodily , in no man besides him dwelleth the god-head in any measure bodily , &c. answ. yes , the saints were made partakers of the divine nature also , and such received of the fulnesse of god in christ grace for grace , and god hath promised to dwell and walk in his people , john 1.16 . 1 cor. 3.16 . 2 cor. 6.16 . and can that state be attained by any , and nothing of the divine nature be in them ? is god in his people and his nature divided ? what grosse confusion is this baptist in , and notwithstanding his denyal of the divine nature being in believers ; in pag. 111. he saith , that all men in respect of their substance of spirit soul and body , and christ in respect of his humane nature ( as he calls it ) are one , yet in respect of his god-head are not one , &c. what then , hath not the soul of the righteous any of the divine nature in it ? how then hath it its immortality ? is any thing immortal that hath not of the divine life or nature in it ? and are not they that are joyned to god one spirit ? what blindnesse is this j. vv. in , who also after he hath denyed that nature which is in christ to be in any man else , ( viz. the divine nature ) he hath in pages 113. and 146. accounted that the divine nature is the spirit of holinesse ( or that they are one ) so that in his denying the divine nature to be in any except christ , he hath denyed the spirit of holinesse to be in the believers , from which it followes that none of the believers are christs , and that christ hath no flock , for he that hath not the spirit of christ is none of his , so all that reads this may see how this baptist hath gone about to shut christ his nature and light or spirit out of all people , ( not onely unbelievers but saints ) and how his doctrine tends to keep all people in darknesse from christ his divine nature and spirit . and so this baptist in telling of two distinct natures in the person of christ , ( viz. the spirit of holinesse or divine nature , and the humane nature ) and calling each of these natures the son of god ( though he own them to be two distinct natures ) as in pages 24. & 10. & 111. & 113. what he hath said herein is all one as if he had said that there are two christs in one person , when as christ is but one , and is the same yesterday to day and for ever , glorified with the fa●her in the same glory which he had before the world began , and this christ is in the saints , and the same spirit of holinesse which raised up jesus from the dead dwelleth in them , so that the divine nature is not excluded out of them , as this baptist hath often implyed ; and no where do we read in scripture that that nature of christ which hath been free from hunger and cold ever since his resurrection , is a humane ( or earthly ) nature according to this mans words , who hath shewed himself both ignorant of christ and his nature , ( as now glorified with the father ) which is of an immortal or spiritual being , or kind . joseph wright saith , p. 116. that the flesh , soul and spirit of all men , and the flesh , soul and humane spirit of christ is of one substance . answ. oh grosse darknesse and errour , to imagine that the flesh and soul and spirit both of all men and christ are of one substance ; what then , is the soul and spirit made up of flesh ? if they be of one substance then must the soul dye with the body , and then where is its immortality ? and why is the spirit a distinct thing from the flesh , and a body without the spirit dead ? and further , how are all mankind of the same substance with christ , when as the substance of christ never sinned , but thou j. w. sayest , ye are unclean because ye are propagated in unclean lust , what are you of the same substance with christ or of his nature , ( who is in a glorified state in immortality and eternal glory ) when you are so propagated and are unclean ; thou art yet unclean and exceeding sottish , or else thou wouldst have been ashamed to utter such confusion and folly as thou hast done ; as also after thou hast asserted that all mankind are of the same substance with christ , thou hast told us , p. 121. that man became like the devil by sin ( as thou sayest the hebrew word may be rendred ) which is as much as if thou hadst said , that that which is like the devil is of the same substance with christ , shewing thy self wholly ignorant of christ , and of his substance , and flesh , which is not suffered to see corruption . and further , in pages 128 , 131 , 132 , 134 , & 58 , 59. it may be observed how thou puttest afar off the state of the church , or believers being conformed to the image of the son of god , that he might be the first-born among many brethren , ( as in rom. 8.29 . ) which thou puttest afar off as to be attained , but at the resurrection of their bodies from the graves , ( which thou tells of ) and then ( thou blindly sayest ) christ will give himself unto it , ( viz. unto his church ) and make it like glorious with his own glorified humane nature , and then the church shall resemble her head , &c. herein hast thou perverted both that scripture of rom. 8.29 , 30. and that of eph. 5.25 , 26.27 . for the apostle does not put that cleansed and glorious state of the church ( wherein they were made conformable to the image of christ ) afar off till after death as thou hast done , for the saints were come unto the church of the first-born , and knew christ born in them , as he is the first-born in many brethren , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , and who he justified , them also he glorified , rom. 8.30 . and christ gave himself for his church , that he might sanctifie and cleanse it , and present it to himself not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing , but that it should be holy and without blemish , eph. 5. now doth not the church resemble her head when she is brought into that state of purity for which christ gave himself , which refers to the time past ; it s not said there , that he will give himself ( as in the future tense ) so to cleanse his church at the resurrection of the bodies out of the graves , as thy words imply , who also to prove that the believers partaking of the divine nature in this life is but in part , bringest rom. 7.25 . with my mind i serve the law of god , but with my flesh the law of sin , wherein thou hast implyed that the apostle was not freed from serving the law of sin while he was in this life , ( what a sad life wouldst thou make paul to live ? ) and so like the deceivers and blind guides hast put freedom from sin afar off till after death , that the bodies shall be raised out of the graves , and when that shall be thou knowest not , when as the apostle passed thorow the warfare and attained to the victory over sin , and the law of the spirit of life in christ did make him free from the law of sin and death , which sometime had ruled in his members , and he could say before his decease , i have fought the good fight , &c. though several times he condescended to several states or conditions below his own , as he did to the romans , and others , and became as weak to the weak , and as one under the law to them that were under the law , &c. and thou sayest , p. 139. that humane nature by personal conjunction with the divine nature , being become so spiritual , that it may be truly said the last adam , that is , the created substance in christs person is now made into a quickening spirit , &c to which we say , how then is all mankind of the same substance with christ ( as thou said before ) what are they all quickening spirits , or is the humane nature of all man-kind a quickening spirit ? canst thou not distinguish betwixt that which is humane ( or from the earth ) and a quickening spirit ? what gross absurdity hast thou herein implyed ? and what a vast difference wouldest thou make betwixt christ and his nature ( now when he is in a glorified states further then in the dayes of his flesh ) as if he were become a quickening spirit which is divine , but there is a nature in him that is humane , so the nature of the quickening spirit is of the earth ( according to thy words ) as the first adam was , and so thou canst not distiguish betwixt the first adam and the second , though the first adam and his humane nature is of the earth , but the second and his nature and image is divine and heavenly according to himself who is lord from heaven , whose state is glorified , spiritual and immortal , wherein that which was mortal , which in time he took upon him , is swallowed up of life and immortality , and he ( as glorified with the father before the world began ) made higher then the angels , though they be ministring spirits . and whereas thou j. w. countest it blasphemous , and of antichrist , to think that any part of man , spirit , soul or body is of the divine , eternal and uncreated substance , &c. to that we say , is not that wherein the soul hath its immortality of the eternal life or substance ? else whence had the soul its life and immortality , and what is it in it self ? for shall not the soul if saved from the power of sin , be eternally in the feeling and enjoyment of the love of god ? and if not so saved , shall it not eternally be under a sence of his anger ? and was not man made in the image of god , and had the breath of life from god in him whereby his soul lived ? was not that image and life immortal ? and whereas thou seemest to admit of a perfection that believers may attain unto , and yet sayes , that the perfection of god and of the divine nature of christ , is of a different nature from the perfection of man , &c. this is as blind a business as thy former , denying the divine nature to be in any but christ ; for there is no true perfection of holiness that the believers attain to , but what they have in god and christ according to his divine nature in which they pertake of in him , who hath exhorted the saints to be perfect , as their heavenly father is perfect , that they might be holy in all manner of conversation ; so that thy sinful doctrines ( which are for sin the tearm of life ) do tend to make the commands and work of christ of none effect . chap. iii. concerning the resurrection , and j. w. his silly reasoning and vain conceits about it . and as concerning the resurrection from the dead , we do not say that the resurrection is past with us , as j. w. in page 63. doth falsly accuse us , for we are in him who is the resurrection & the life , and by whom comes the resurrection from the dead , john 11.25 . 1 cor. 15.21 . and we are against those that in saying the resurrection is past , have gone about to destroy ( or do overthrow ) the faith of some , 2 tim. 2.18 . for through faith many are in the way to attain to the resurrection of the just ; and so according to the scriptures we do own a resurrection both of the just and unjust , and that some shall come forth to the resurrection of life , wch they that abide in the faith until death shall attain to , and others to the resurrection of condemnation which is their portion who believe not in christ , who is the resurrection and the life , wherein the righteous shall shine as the stars for ever and ever , but the wicked shall rise to shame and contempt , dan. 12.2 , 3. and why does j. w. count it absurd , as in pages 54 , 55. that the seed of god should be sown in one condition and raised in another ; seeing the apostles words are plain to that effect , for that which thou sowest is not quickened except it die ; and doth not that seed suffer in man by corruption , before it be raised in incorruption , and is it not the seed of god that is sown in weakness and raised in power , and every seed shall have its own body , and what is it god gives a body to as it pleaseth him but the seed ? and what seed is that is raised in incorruption , glory and power , but the seed of god ? before which state of the seed be attained to , the seed is known in suffering in death and in corruption , though in it self it be incorruptible ; for it could not be said it shall be quickened , unless after it be sown it dye ; and in respect of its being sown , in weakness and dying , ( as to them in whom it is sown , who are not redeemed into the state of the second adam ) it s said to be sown a natural body , as also there is a natural seed , or seed of abraham according to the flesh , that this seed of god takes hold on or takes upon it ; but in respect of its being raised in power and glory , it is spiritual and immortal , as being beyond that state in which it is sown in weakness , which states none comes truly to know , but as they come into death with the seed , and to be raised up by the spirit that raised up jesus from the dead , which spirit where it dwells doth quicken the mortal bodies , and doth bring into the likeness of christs glorious body , and as many as are dead with christ shall live and appear with him in glory , and witness the body of their lowness made like unto his glorious body , whose they are , and such who come to the resurrection of the just , and to see the mortal body which was dead because of sin , quickened by the spirit of christ dwelling in them , shall come to witness that of hosea 13 , 14. fulfilled , for they shall come to be ransomed from the power of the grave , and redeemed from death , as the seed comes to live and reign , which cannot be holden of death nor kept in the grave , but is the destruction of the grave ; and this the prophet witnessed when he was delivered from the power of the grave , and his soul brought out of the pit , by the sides whereof the graves were set ; and why saith j. w. in page 60. as that arising which christ through the faith of the operation of god , is not the resurrection from the dead , nor the state of perfection which the faithful unto death shall obtain ? &c. what do not they that rise with christ rise from the dead ? and was not that the resurrection from the dead that saint paul desired to attain to ? phil. 3.11 . are not all men in sin dead ? and do not they that rise with christ , rise out of sin , seeing the saints that had been dead in trespasses and sins , when they were quickened and raised in christ , they were come to live in him with whom they shall live , who first knew what it was to die with him , or to be baptized into his death , for the dead in christ shall rise first ; and is not that a state of perfection , where there is a resurrection in christ , from sin and the death which came in by it ? for is it not sin that caused the imperfection ? and that the resurrection from the dead , is a raising of man from the dead in every part wherein he is dead by reason of sin , and to live in every part wherein he lived before he sinned , ( to wit ) to be alive in spirit , soul and body , as in page 66. who denies that ? for because of sin , death hath come over man in every part , both over spirit , soul and body ; so that where man is raised out of sin by christ , who is the resurrection and the life , his spirit is quickened that it can rejoyce in god , and his soul is raised up out of death , that it can magnifie him who is the saviour ; and if christ be in you , the body i● dead because of sin , and the same spirit that raised up jesus from the dead shall quicken the mortal body , and the creature it self thereby comes to be delivered into the glorious liberty of the sons of god ; so that the resurrection of the whole man ( and of every man in his own order , 1 cor. 15 23 ) over whom death and the grave had dominion we own , and do not take a part of it for the whole , as falsly j. w. accuseth us ; but whereas j. vv. imagineth that the redemption of the body spoken of in rom. 8. which the saints groaned travelled and waited for is not to be enjoyed till the natural and visible bodies of men shall be raised out of the graves , as in page 65. and 53. and 55. this is like the rest of his vain imaginations and foolish dreams about the resurrection and other things , for this would suppose that that redemption of the body from the bondage of corruption [ which saint paul and other saints so many hundred years agoe did travel , and wait , and hope for in their suffering state ] is not yet attained , which would render their faith , hope and travel ineffectual ; and what then was that bondage of corruption , and that suffering under which the body suffered , and from which they waited for redemption , is it some bondage or suffering that the saints so long deceased both were in their dayes ( and are yet ) in suffering under , if they be not yet attained to the redemption of the body , which so long since they travelled for , as this j. vv. ignorantly seems to imply , which his reason is like his saying , that god is declared to be the god of abraham , isaac and jacob , because their bodies which are dead shall live again , when as he was their god , because they lived with him and were in him , and were in the bosom of the father , who is not the god of the dead but of the living ; and as for that of job 19.25 , 26 , 27. which he mentions , where job knew his redeemer living , and that he should stand upon the earth , and that in his flesh he should see god ; whom ( said he ) i shall see for my self and mine eyes shall behold , &c. after this job knew his hope herein fulfilled , when he said to the lord , chap. 42. i have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear , but now mine eyes seeth thee . now it is not to be supposed that job did either see or expect to see god with bodily or carnal eyes , for who so imagines , they must suppose god to be visible like themselves , and not a spirit , nor an immortal invisible being , who is to be seen spiritually and not carnally , who is in that immortality and glory with no man ( as mortal ) can approach to or behold with that which is mortal : and what silly reasoning is it for j w. from that of rev. 20.4 . to query what part of man is it which is capable of being beheaded ; is it not the body ? therefore the bodies lived , &c. when as that of rev. 20.4 . speaketh onely of the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of jesus , and the word of god ; so that his reason is as if he had said , that because the souls of them that were beheaded lived , therefore their bodies when they were beheaded lived , when as the souls and that which was beheaded are spoken of as distinct things ( viz. ) the souls of them that were beheaded ; so that where the scripture mentions the souls , as including the whole man or men , as gen. 46.27 . which j. w. cites , this will not prove his absurdity ; and the like reason for his dream about the bodies hath he in page 70. from luke 16. of the rich mans being tormented , which torment ( he saith ) is to be vnderstood to be upon the body of the rich man , from his desire that lazarus might be sent to dip his finger in water , to cool his tongue , a part of his body , &c. wherein i.w. sheweth himself both ignorant of parables and mysteries , wherein he hath implyed , as if the rich mans body was then in hell when he was so tormented ; when as christ saith , the rich man dyed and was buried , and speaks that of lazarus & the rich man , as in the time past ; & then where was that hell out of which he that was in it could see lazarus in abrahams bosom , betwixt abraham and which hell there was a great gulf fixed ? and what was it in the rich man then that let him see abraham and lazarus a far off ? did he see them when he was in hell with bodily eyes , yea or nay ? and as for i. w. his comparison , page 55. of the wheat arising out of that very seed , and that very kernel which was sown , even so ( saith he ) shall it be in the resurrection from the dead , the natural and visible bodies of those that believe in christ , although they shall not be raised as they are sown , yet they shall be raised out of the grave , &c. this is contrary to iob. 7.9 . and 1 cor. 15.37 . and this his comparison doth not paralel his matter intended and asserted , unless he can prove that the bodies of all that are deceased or die , are so reserved , and their substance remain in the earth or sea where they die , as the wheat that is sown which brings forth its own body , which absurdity no rational man will believe , though herein he hath contradicted himself , for the same grain of wheat that is sown , is not that body or ear that grows forth ; and said the apostle , 1 cor. 15.37 . thou sowest not that body that shall be , though every seed shall have its own body , which who knows the mystery of the differing seeds , they come to know the body of each , which are of the nature of those seeds they belong to ; and there is also a natural body and a spiritual body which are distinct things , as there is a first man and a second man which differ ; and so there are terrestial bodies , and bodies caelestial which are discerned , and the state of each distinguished , where that body which is spiritual , which differs from that which was natural is discerned and seen ; and this is hid from all blind and empty professors , who are in their dreams and imaginations , imagining that they shall see god with their carnal or visible eyes , and by such imaginations have in the long night of apostacy blinded the simple , and begot them into a blind faith and hope , which stands not in the power of god , nor the seed which is christ which is risen to destroy , and to root out the evil seed which has been sown in the night by the envious one , whose work they are in that oppose the good ; and where proves j. w. by scripture that man that was made of the dust of the earth , had not in his body dyed or returned to dust , had he not transgressed , as in page 61. ? must not all things return to their center ? for shall not the bodies of the just return to dust , who are redeemed from transgression and washed from sin by the blood of christ ? what was that death that adam dyed in the day he eat of the forbidden fruit , seeing that his body lived hundreds of years after that ? chap. iv. concerning what we appeal to in men , and the subject of our exhortations : and j. w. his gross lyes and slanders against us about these things . whereas j. w. hath accused us of fearful blasphemy , for speaking to the light in the conscience , or to the seed of god in men ; which ( saith he ) supposeth , that that which they call christ hath done iniquity , else why do they say repent repent , with exhortations to depart from sin , &c. so that he saith , they reprove christ , exhort christ , councel christ , yea they say they speak to that of god in the conscience which shall eternally witness ; so that they teach god , reprove god , counsel god , oh horrible blasphemy , thus far j. w. page 98. &c. answer , what abominable falshoods & gross mistakes are these against us ; for as we are manifest in mens consciences in the sight of god , so we appeal or speak to his light in them as our witnesse , which beareth testimony to what we say , and do not make that light the subject of our exhortations or reproofs , but the creature that is to be turned to christ and his light within , neither is the light ever reproveable or guilty of any evil , but that which transgresseth it ; and this light we appeal to as our witness for the truth , even in the wicked who rebel against it , and we are a good favor to god even in them that perish . and so his charge against us , as not preaching to the creature man , when we appeal to the witness of god in men , is exceeding false and foolish ; for cannot men appeal to any thing as a witness for truth and true judgement , but they must make it the subject which they reprove or appeal against ? what gross ignorance is this j.w. is in ! and is not the truth where ever it is preached manifest to that of god in mens consciences , and in our speaking or appealing to the light of christ in mens consciences , we do not suppose that christ is saved by our preaching , nor that he is in a fallen condition , as impudently this baptist hath accused us in page 99. and whereas he seems so much to be offended , that any doctrine or ministry should be directed to the seed of god in man , or that salvation should be tendred to that , he hath manifested himself wholly ignorant of the seed of god in that state as a seed ; for do not the promises of god belong to the seed , and when the spirit of promise moves any true witnesse to declare them , are they not to be directed to the seed which they belong to ? should the prophets mouths have been stopt when they prophesied to the seed ? and christ as he hath power to lay down his life which no man taketh from him , so he hath power to take it again , john 10.17 , 18. and to raise up his own life or seed in his people ; did not his own arm or power bring salvation to him ? isa. 63.5 . and where he is manifested in that power in his saints , may he not speak thorow them to his own in others where manifest in a less measure ? and did not saint paul travel till christ was formed in the galathians ? gal. 4.19 . and what ignorance is it in j. w. to deny ( in page 106. ) that christ preached to the spirits when they were in prison ? seeing that when he was quickened by the spirit , he preached to the spirits in prison , 1 pet. 3.19 . as also he was promised to open the prison doors , and bring forth the prisoners out of the prison-house , and he it is that saith to the prisoners , shew your selves . and j.w. in p. 141. hath further charged absolute falshoods upon us , in saying as that the creature man is not the subject of our blessings , but a supposed seed , and that the subject of our curse ( he saith ) is not the creature man consisting of spirit , soul and body , but a contrary seed , likely the devil , &c. these are as wicked and false as his accusing us , that when we exhort to perfection we never intend that the creature man with all the helps he can lay hold on , either is , can , or ought to be perfect , as in pages 145 , 146 , 149. when as on the contrary we affirm that the creature man as he comes into the seed of god , which the blessing is originally to , which is perfect , and to be in the nature and life of it , therein he partakes of the blessings which are in that seed and grows unto a perfect man as the saints did ; and on the contrary , as men or creatures are joyned to the evil seed , and servants to the devil , so they become subjects with the devil of the curse and anger of god which they treasure up to themselves , and this is no emboldning man on in his sin , nor advantagious to satan , ( as he saith ) p. 141. and we neither exhort god nor christ to perfection , nor make them the subjects of our exhortation , as j. w. in effect hath accused us ; who but an impudent malicious man would have charged such wicked lyes , absurdities and blasphemies upon us as he hath done ? are these the fruits of the baptists spirit ? sad is that peoples state that have appointed this jos-wright for a defence unto them , or their way , as he accounts himself , and poorly are they defended by him . chapter v. concerning ordinances , and j. w. his idolatry and falshood about water baptism . and whereas in pages 33 , 42 , and 158. thou j.w. hast accused such as do preach the light within , with denying baptism in water , prayer , and laying on of hands , and with reproaching and despising the ordinances of the new testament , and with calling prayer and laying on of hands carnal , &c. to this we lay , thou hast grosely slandered and impudently belyed us in these , as in many other things , for both prayer , laying on of hands , and other ordinances , as they are performed in the power of god by the leadings of his spirit we own ; but where such things are done out of the power or leading of that spirit in mens wills , they are but formal , dead and empty , and as such to be denyed ; and the one baptism , eph. 4.5 . which the outward was but as a figure of we witnesse ; and further note how thou hast contradicted thy self in pages 159. and 160. thou hast accused us for laying on of hands , and for praying once in thirteen dayes at least , with such as are inclinable to our principles , how then do we reproach and despise prayer and laying on of hands , as in general terms thou hast accused us ? how art thou confounded in thy malicious accusations , which confusion is a fruit of thy envy ? for where envy is there is confusion ; and whereas thou art pleading for the baptism of believers in water , as an ordinance of great authority , and as being appointed to signifie the burial and resurrection of christ , and the fellowship of true believers in his death , and that it consisteth not in the bare putting away the filth of the flesh as the jewish baptisms did , heb. 9.9 . and that the effect of it is greater then the effect of those legal washings , and thy proof is , 1 pet. 3.21 , 22. answ. in thy epistle to the churches thou counsellest them not to discourse this spirit about the authority of ordinances , ( meaning the spirit of such as preach up the light within ) and in thy other epistle to them that so preach , thou pretendest as if thou would not be disputing about ordinances when the difference is about the substance , yet now in contradiction to thy former counsel and pretence , thou hast disputed about the authority of water baptism , which thou applaudest as thy great ordinance , as if there were more efficacy in it then the bare putting away the filth of the flesh ; how hast thou discovered thy lying spirit and confusion of babylon , one while to counsel others , and to pretend not to discourse about ordinances , and then afterward to contend for them as thou hast done , though to little effect or purpose , they that cannot see thy falshood and folly herein are stark blind ; and that of 1 pet. 3.21.22 . thou hast absolutely perverted it , for it does no● prove your baptism in water to have more in it then the jewes washings or baptizings , heb. 9.9 . for there is mention of the baptism that saweth , which is not the putting away of the filth of the flesh , but the answer of a good conscience , which the outward water or washing is mentioned as a figure of , for there is a plain distinction betwixt the inward baptism that saveth , and the outward washing or putting away the filth of the flesh ; and the true believers in christ are come further then that which is but the sign or figure , or doth but signifie christs burial , resurrection , or their fellowship in his death , for they are come to be baptized into his death , and to be raised in his life by that spirit which hath baptized them , which is the substance wherein the signes and shadows are ended , which christ through his death and suffering made way for mens redemption out of , and abolished the law of commandements by which these outward shadows and figures which related to that state that was under the law were upheld , where the possession of the holy seed which is the substance , was not attained to , and the use of such outward baptisms or shadows ( by any of the apostles for a time ) does not prove them of force by a law , since christ fulfilled them and abolished the law of them , eph. 2.15 . col. 2.14.20 . and through suffering made way for a further , more glorious and living dispensation then that wherein the signs , shadows or figures were upheld by a law. and where proves j. w. that outward baptism in water does signifie or resemble christs death , burial , or resurrection , as he hath implyed ? we hope he will not say that believers dye in outward baptism and are buried three daies in the water , as christ was in the earth ; so that water baptism when it was practiced by a command from heaven as john did , it had rather a resemblance or signification of the state of believers and their inward washing , then of the state of christ in his sufferings and resurrection . and where j. w. as a proof for his water baptism , brings rom. 6.4 . col. 2.12 . we are buried with him by baptism into death , &c. in this he hath contradicted himself ; for before this baptism in water was but to signifie the burial and resurrection of christ , and the fellowship of the saints in his death , and therefore it could not be that baptism by which they were buried with christ into death ; so all may see what idolatry he is in about water , and how he is mudled in his confusion , though he ( without just cause ) is offended that we should count their baptism a carnal empty shadow or low thing that god is gone out of , though it be both true and apparent enough , since they make such an idol of it , and practise it without either immediate command from heaven , or motion of gods spirit for it , but onely do it by tradition and imitation from the use of it in the time of the churches infancy , when peoples minds were not redeemed out of such things . and as for christs sending the blind man to wash his eyes in the pool of siloam , who when he had washed came seeing , john 9.6 , 7. this is no proof for your plunging or baptizing people in water , though j.w. thou hast brought it for thy proof , so that thou hast but herein discovered thy idolatrous spirit ; and for all thy baptism in water thou art yet blind , thy eyes are not opened , though thou hast had more of thy body outwardly washed then thy eyes . and further in p. 39. and 40. joseph vvright saith , that baptism in vvater in the name of jesus christ is unto the repentant believer the way of salvation , because christ hath walked therein to make it so , &c. and that as the sinner comes to be washed in his body with pure water , so he comes to be sprinkled in his heart or spirit with the bloud of christ from an evil conscience , and to prove it he cites heb. 10.22 . answ. here it may be seen how this baptist goes on in his idolatry , and what a great idol he hath made of water baptism , to account it the way of salvation , and so he hath set up another way for salvation then the true ministers did , for christ is the way of life and salvation , and the rock from whence comes the water of life , which sprinkles the heart from an evil conscience , and this is not a carnal or visible element of the world ; so that this baptist in preaching up water baptism to be the way to salvation , he would limit christ and his salvation , as if none were in the way of salvation , but a company of baptists or such as are plunged by them in outward water ; and so if that water-baptisme be the way of salvation , then it is christ , ( but this is another christ then the true apostles preached , so that this doctrine herein must needs be antichristian ) from which also it follows that those that would know the way of salvation and come to christ , they must go to the baptists for christ and salvation , which if their water-baptism be it , then they can make christ , and make a way of salvation , and then in such places where there is not outward water enough to be found to plunge people in over head and ears , there they must want salvation if then water-baptism be it ; and if the sinner comes but to be sprinkled from an evil conscience , when his body is washed in outward water , and that be the way of cleansing a heart from an evil conscience , then it seems that all mens consciences are evil but the baptists ; and thus he hath discovered his absurdity and grosse idolatry , as one that never knew the way of salvation , nor that living water which cleanseth the heart from an evil conscience , nor that one baptism of the spirit which the saints preached , by which they were all baptized into one body , which is the substance , wherein the antitype , and end of shadows , and figures , and how far they reached , is seen and manifested ; and j.w. thy doctrine of idolatry tend more to strengthen the papists in their way for the popish masse then theirs who preach up the light within , though thou hast charged such a preacher of the light with denying the bread which is eaten in that you call the lords supper to be made of corn , or the wine that is drunk to be the fruit of the vine , as in pag. 48. but him whom thou hast so accused , thou hast not discovered by name , nor where he spoke it , for there is none that truely owns and preaches the light within , that will say that outward bread which is eaten in that called the lords supper is not made of corn , or deny the outward wine that is drunk to be the fruit of the vine ; but this we know , that the lords supper is a mysterie which you who live in deceit and iniquity , ( who are doating about outward shadows , as bread , and wine , and water , ) never came to eat or drink at , but only they who are come to the lamb of god that takes away sin , and to the marriage supper of the lamb , who saith , behold i stand at the door and knock , if any man hear my voice and open to me , i will sup with him and he with me , and here at this supper that bread and that fruit of the vine is received in the paradice of god , which is not outward , changable , nor carnall ; and to this supper , drunkards , malitious persons and liars cannot come ; and wherein page 47. thou judgest such as preach the light within , for their reward to have the mist of darknesse reserved for ever ; in this thou hast but discovered thy self to be in the gall of bitternesse , and in the enmity of him who is the father of lyes , whose work thou art in , against the light and the children of it , and that will be thy own reward which thou hast judged others with , unless thou repentest ; more of thy folly and confusion about these carnal things which thou art doting about might be mentioned , which at present are omitted , but thou hast discovered thy self sufficiently already , as one that never knew the way of salvation , nor the cleansing of thy heart from an evil conscience , for all thy baptism in water , which thou hast accounted the way of salvation and cleansing , though others of you baptists have openly said , ( as some did at a dispute in southwark ) there is no stresse for salvation upon water baptism , nor is it of necessity for salvation ; and thus you confound your selves , and thy confusion and idolatry as much appears touching these things thou hast busied thy self about , as any that ever opposed us . and let all that read this further mark thy confusion , and see thy deceit in thy so absolutely judging us for the mist of darknesse for ever , and giving such a final sentence of condemnation upon us as if there were no hope of salvation or remedy for us , when as in thy epistle to us thou hast told us , thou shalt onely receive a sober antagonist , or else expect our renouncing our errour , repenting , believing , and obeying the gospel . now if either of these ( viz. either a sober antagonist , or repenting , believing , and obeying the gospel ) be to be expected among us , then there remains some hope of salvation for us , and that we are not given up for destruction , or for the mist of darknesse for ever , as thou hast judged us , without any restriction ( or exception ) and thus all may see what an unjust judge thou art , and how thou are spoiled in thy wicked ends and designs , and what an irrational man thou art so absolutely to judge them for the mist of darknesse for ever , whom thou hast expected to believe and obey the gospel ( if not a sober antagonist ) or at least wise thou hast pretended it ; truly its high time for thee to repent , for thou art far from the life of the gospel , or its faith and obedience , who notwithstanding hast accounted us more proud then others for judging or reproving , yet in such a high degree hast set thy self to be a judge , as to judge such as preach the light within , for the mist of darknesse for ever , ( though thou hast pretended to have an expectation of repentance , faith , and obedience from such as thou hast so judged . and you baptists were wont to exclaim against others for judging , though now you can so peremptorily judge such to be rewarded with the mist of darknesse for ever , who do both preach and own the light of christ within , which they that follow shall not abide in darknesse but shall receive the light of life . the lord open your eyes , who have been deceived and misled by such blind guides and defenders as j. w. is , that you may escape out of their snares , and come out of the darknesse and confusion wherein they have led you , that you may know the light of the truth to open your understandings , and to guide your feet into the way of truth , and the path of the just , which is the shining light that shineth more and more untill the perfect day , in them that believe and obey the light of the lord and his truth in them . chap. vi. concerning quaking and trembling . the next particular observable is about quaking and trembling , and about this j. w. makes a great stir , with several vain stories , and in p. 154. he saith , it is a woful visitation , for it doth not come with a still soft voice , but with earthquakes , and rending the rocks , putting the poor creature into a woful condition ; for oh what quakings and shakings , tremblings and fearings , what pulling and dragging is at that time , as if the very heart must be pulled out , and all the bowels torn in pieces , and one limb rent from another , and when the unclean spirit hath pronounced such woes terrours and judgements as long as he thinks fit , which by them is called hell , then the said spirit speaks peace to them , &c. and also sayest that this spirit speaks with a vocal voice in the bottom of the bellies of them that a●e possessed therewith , burrying the creature up and down with motions revelations and commands , &c. answ. to all which we answer , j. w. hath here shewed not onely ignorance of the works of the lord and his waies , but hatred and malice against them , and hath uttered many reviling words against that which he knows not , and if he had lived in the dayes of old when the servants of the lord quaked and trembled , and roared out because of the terrour of the lord that was upon them , what would he have said , surely no lesse of them then he hath done of us at this day , and would have called it an unclean spirit , and a woful visitation and condition ; and therefore we shall first prove out of the scriptures that there was such a thing as trembling and quaking and roaring out even as men distracted among the servants of the lord in generations past , and then shall vindicate such a thing in these our dayes upon this reason ; that god and his works and discoveries are the same in this age according to the manifestation of his power amongst his people as ever they were ; so dreadful was the appearance of god that moses saw , that he said i exceedingly fear and quake , heb. 12.21 . and david roared out by reason of the disquietnesse of his heart , and his heart panted , and his strength failed , and there was no foundnesse in his flesh , nor any rest in his bones , psal. 38. and his flesh trembled because of the judgements of god , psal. 119.120 . and it s said , while i suffer the terrours of the lord i am as a distracted man , psal. 88.15 . and ezra said , i rent my garment and my mantle , and pluckt off the hair of my head , and of my beard , and sat down astonished , and there were assembled unto me every one that trembled at the words of the god of israel , isa. 9.3 , 4. and jeremy also said that he trembled , and his bones did shake , and he was like a drunken man , jer. 23.9 . and the prophet habakkuk said , my belly trembled , my lips quivered at the voice , rottennesse entered my bones , and i trembled in my self , chap. 3.16 . and st. paul was among the corinths in much trembling , and exhorted the saints to work out their salvation with fear and trembling , phil. 2.12 . and thus it is manifest throughout the scriptures of both old and new testament , that the saints and servants of god did tremble and were astonished , and were as distracted persons , and there were earthquakes among them , & rending of the rocks , and quakings , and shakings , and tremblings , and fearings , ( as j. w. his words are ) and the appearance of the lord was wonderful , and wrought wonderful effects and operations upon them , though this same j. vv. seems ignorant of , like as if he had never read the scriptures , though in place elsewhere he speaks highly of them yet 't is manifest he is not in that truth and power of god which they declare of , but is a scorner and reviler , and one with the prophane wretches that believes not the truth of the scriptures but scorns at the work of god , and such as tremble and quake at his words , whom he regards , isa 66. and seeing that the scriptures do thus plentifully prove such an operation , as quaking , and trembling , and trouble , and terrour , through the manifestation of the power of god , we cannot but for the name of the lords sake vindicate the same operation in this day , as that same power is manifest amongst people ; and it is the power of the lord , not the spirit of witchcraft or uncleannesse , as j. w. blasphemously affirms , but we know that thousands in these our dayes have been pierced to the heart by the word of the lord , and have been smitten in their consciences , and been made to cry out , and roar , and tremble through the disquietnesse of their hearts , and have been brought as low as hell , even to the sides of the pit , and to know their bones broken as david did , and they have lain disconsolate for many dayes , and yet the lord hath after this raised them up into peace , and joy , and comfort , and blotted out their transgressions , and washed them away by the bloud of iesus , and hath restored comfort for mourning , and the spirit of praise for the spirit of heavinesse according to his promises ; so that were not j. w. a man more ignorant and malitious then a man of knowledge and good conscience , he would never presume to have vented such malicious and rayling tearms against us , for and because of the self same operation of the power of god amongst us , as is so largely demonstrated by examples throughout the scriptures , so that he hath not onely reviled us at this day , but also the saints of god in former ages , so declaring himself to the world , to be ignorant of the scriptures and of the power of god to salvation , and a blasphemer against both . and his reason to prove it an unclean spirit that leads them to tremble is , because some have stripped off their cloaths , and gone naked for a sign , &c. to which we answer , by the same reason he might as well have said , that was an unclean spirit that led isaiah the prophet to put off his shooes , and walk naked and bare-foot as a sign and wonder upon aegypt , when as it was the spirit of god that moved him to that work , isa. 20. and saul also when he went to naioth , and the spirit of god was upon him and prophesied , and he stript off his cloathes and lay down naked all the day , and all that night , wherefore it was said , is saul also among the prophets , 1 sam. 19.23 , 24. and thus j. w. may see the errour of his own judgement , who hath condemned that spirit to be unclean , which led isaiah and saul to go naked , by his censuring such now as are led by the same spirit , but against his reproachful tongue we do vindicate such a thing in it self , and that the spirit of the lord is not limitted , but may lead some at this day to the same thing , though if any do such a thing in imitation and deceit , we justifie them not . chap. vii . concerning the sufficiency of the light , and the annointing within to teach all that do believe . again the next thing observeable that we can digg out of his heap of confusion is , he chargeth us with dissimulation , that we never intended that every man should be guided by the light in them , though we preach it up , and direct every man to it as a guide , his reasons for it are , first , because we intend to communicate a teacher from without . secondly , because we declare to men and women , that if they will but wait in silence , they shall receive virtue and life from us though they never see us more , by which it appears ( saith he ) that we intend to give a spirit to such as adhere to our doctrine . thirdly , because when we take hold of the hands of men and women , yea , when we have taken hold of the wrists of some , they have been taken with a trembling , &c. fourthly , because we are constantly visiting them that are inclining to our principles , &c. fifthly , because we run up and down to spread our doctrine , and by our printing such a multitude of books to teach men in our way , we cry down preaching ( saith he ) and that we lay aside gods word , and set up our own word , and that gods holy scriptures we reject , and our own unholy writings we exalt , &c. sixthly , because the light which is in every man , doth not lead us and our followers to do those things we do , &c. page 158 , 159 , 160 , 161 , 162 , 163. answer , to all these we answer , that we do turn people to the light of the spirit of god within them , and preach the free gift and grace of god that he hath given to the sons of men in order to their salvation , and we acknowledge notwithstanding all j. w. his scornful and ignorant railings against us for preaching the light within , that we are sent of god , and t is our message that we have received to preach to all the world , and that we are sent to turn from the darkness to the light , as the apostle paul , acts 26.18 . and this light to which he turned them , was not a visible carnal light without them , but an invisible and spiritual light that shone in their consciences , and to this light paul was sent to turn them , even to the light that shined in their hearts , 2 cor. 4.6 . the light shined in their hearts , that gave them the light of the knowledge of the glory of god in the face of christ , and the light of the new covenant , is the light of the spirit of god that shines in mens consciences , for god hath said , i 'le put my spirit within them , and write my law in their hearts , so that whosoever doth preach the new covenant , must preach the light within ; but of this about preaching the light within , more in another place , therefore here we pass it , and shall examine his fix feeble reasons , by which he would prove that we dissemble with people in prrac●ing the light within , and we never intend what we say , which is a notorious slander , that shews j. vv. hath neither wit nor good conscience ; for might not he as well have brought all these his reasons against the apostles who preached the same doctrine of the light within as we do now , for when saint john said to the church , ye have anointing within you , and ye need not man to teach you , but as the same annointing teacheth you , 1 john 2. might not j. w. as well have said to him , john , thou dost not mean as thou speakest , but dissemblest with them , for thou sayest , they have annointing ( or light ) within them , and they need no man to teach them , but as that doth teach them , and yet thou thy self art a teacher without them , and thou givest exhortations to them by declarations and epistles , and tellest them if they abide in the anointing that they have received , and in christ , they shall not sin ; and though the saints in former ages were thus taught by the anointing within them , yet they did constantly visit one another , and prayed one for another as the annoting led them , but hadst thou j. w. lived in their dayes , thou mightest have said , john , thou dost plainly declare that the anointing in the saints will not do the business , as thou scornfully sayest to us , but thou communicate an unclean spirit , and thou writest epistles , and spreads thy doctrine by letters or books , and the apostles run up and down from one nation , country and city to another ; and what need you do this , if the annointing within be sufficient to teach them ; and if it be sufficient , why does not every particular saint do that which some do ? why doth not every one of the christians go up and down preaching as well as some few of you apostles ? thus and after this manner might thou j. w. have reasoned against the apostles and saints as well as against us , and doubtless , hadest thou lived in their dayes , thou wouldest have said no less by them then thou dost by us , but this is to manifest thy own folly and weaknesse , who cannot understand how the annointing dwells in the saints and teacheth them into all truth ; and how notwithstanding they edifie one another , and instructs one another by words and writings ; this same thing was true amongst the apostles and primitive christians and is true also at this day among us , though thou objects against it , nay reviles and slanders the witness of the same at this day , and this is thy ignorance and weakness , who art not worthy to be named a defender of the gospel of christ , as thy works makes to appear . and as for j. w. his saying as if we should say , they should receive virtue and life from us , and that we intend to give a spirit , and of taking hold of the wrists of some , &c. and that we lay aside gods word , and reject scriptures , and exalts our own unholy writings , &c. these are slanderous accusations and malitious suggestions , as if we were witches and such like ; and this is spoken by him with a tendency ( as doth appear ) to enrage the spirits of ungodly men against us ; we do not say they shall receive life from us , but if they wait upon god in the ministration of his life and spirit , they shall receive life from him , and sufficient instruction by his grace and gift within them if they never see us more , and they shall receive the spirit of truth from god , though we are made ministers of the spirit , which the father giveth to all his children ; and as for our taking one another by the hands by way of kind salutation one of another , why doth he wickedly surmize against us for this practice , but that out of the abundance of his malitious heart , his tongue speakes fraudilently , as if we did bewitch people thereby ; thus much he seems to intimate by his reproachful expressions , that we intend by taking one another by the hands to communicate a spirit , which is onely his ignorant and malitious suggestion ; and as for our denying the word of god and rejecting scriptures , we shall pass it here ( onely tell thee j. w. thou hast slandred us ) and speak fuller to it by and by . 1. but concerning immediate teaching of god by the light and anointing within , i would yet more fully explain , that i might be understood of all . first , we do not affirm that every man in the world ( to wit ) unbelievers as well as believers have received the anointing and spirit within them , so as they need no man to teach them ; for this is onely proper to the saints of god , who have believed in and received christ jesus and his spirit , that anointing which teacheth them all things , and leadeth into all truth , and they abiding in this anointing , they need no man to teach them but as it teacheth , and this is the new covenant of god , and according to his promise , i will put my spirit within them , and write my law in their hearts , and they shall need no man to say , know the lord , but from the least to the greatest they shall all know me saith the lord ; but as we have said , this is only proper to the believers and sanctified in christ jesus , and this state is not proper to the unbelievers in the world in their state of unbelief , who rejects the counsel of god , and refuses to be taught by him and led of him , and quenches the spirit of the lord. 2. but though this state was promised by the lord that his people should be thus taught , and the saints did in the apostles dayes witness it , as in johns epistle before cited , and the saints of god now in this age do witness the same ; yet notwithstanding the saints did and may edifie one another , and build up one another in the most holy faith , and comfort one another by advice and counsel , and instruction through declaring the word of the lord one to another , and ministring the gospel of christ and of his free gift one to another , as the anointing within moveth and teacheth , this was the saints practice in the dayes of old , and is their practice at this day , for let none mistake us , as if any were so taught of god by the anointing and light within that they were thereby uncapable of , and freed from all good instruction , edification and counsel , visitations and salutations of love amongst them and one towards another , like as if they were so taught of god as their state admited of carelesness , and rejecting of love and exhortations one from another , we tell thee nay , but we are so taught of god at this day as the saints before us were by the light and annointing within , which we have received from god , that alwayes we are capable of and willing to receive edification and counsel , and advice through the word of the lord , and by his spirit that dwells in us , and extends one to another by good advice and counsel , consolation and comfort , so that these two do agree ( to wit ) immediate teaching by the anointing and light within us , and exhortation and edification one of another by the same spirit and anointing among us , and these two are not contrary one to the other . 3. yet we do say , though the unbelievers have not so received the anointing and spirit within them , as that they need no man to teach them , as the believers have received it ; yet the gift of the spirit of god and the light of it is given to them , and manifested in their consciences , and hath its operation of conviction and reproof , because of their unbelief and iniquities , and these needs to be taught without them , even turned and directed to this same light within them , that they may believe in christ jesus , and wait upon the lord in it , thereby to receive the anointing and pouring forth of the spirit through faith in christ jesus , that they may be also-taught of god as believers and regenerate persons , and may need none to teach them , but as the gift and grace of god within them , and such in the state of their unbelief , have need to be preached unto , that they may believe and be renewed , and receive more of the spirit and of the grace of god in a greater measure , and may come into covenant with god , and be so taught of him , as not to need another teacher . and thus we have shewed , first , that the saints are taught of god and they need no man to teach them , but as the anointing within them . secondly , that they are not so taught of god , as not to be capable to receive advice and instructions one of another in the lord. thirdly , how the unbelievers hath the light of christ given to them , and yet hath need of teaching without them . and thus i have answered and confuted that foolish charge of j. w. that we dissemble by telling people the light within is the teacher , and yet intends it not , and have shewed him that we do say , the saints that are called and regenerated , have received the spirit in that manner and measure , as that they need no man to teach them but as the anointing , and the unbelievers have the gift of the light of the spirit of god given to them , that it may teach them , and therefore we preach the gospel to them to beget faith in their hearts , and that they may receive christ and his anointing to teach them and lead them into all truth : and now i shall proceed to the next thing observeable , which is concerning our meetings . chap. viii . concerning meeting together , and silent waiting upon the lord , with something about back-sliders , and the spirit that acts them . j. w. saith , an evil spirit is our familiar , which we communicate to such as adhere to our doctrine . and first he saith , it appears by that humming and hollow sithing among us , which is from the evil spirit . secondly , our silent meeting is the direct practice ( saith he ) of such as have familiar spirits , and to what end are our silent meetings , but for the communicating of our unclean spirits ; for never did any of the servants of the living god hold meetings in silence , to meet and not speak one word ; and such meetings are contrary to the practice of the people of god in all ages , and they are gone aside after satan , whose doctrine they publish , and whose unclean spirits they hold assemblies in private to communicate . 3. he speaks of some confession of some of our own proselytes , that there came a spirit into one of them as he was going to reprove another , which did roar and make a terrible noise in his belly ; and another story or two he tells of some that hath now forsaken us , that a spirit came into him that did make him quake and tremble so exceedingly that he thought it would have tore him , &c. and another confessed that there did a spirit speak within her , bidding her leave her kindred , &c. then he concludes this chapter with a certain story us he calls it , of the sad pranks the devil played on one that thought himself perfect , pages 164 , 165 , 166 , 167 , 168. answ. 1. to all which we do answer , that all these poor weak reasons asserted doth not prove his assertion , that we communicate an evil spirit to such as adhere to our doctrine ; the assertion in its self is a lye , and a grievous slander , published without the fear of god , and what sober men could imagine that a baptist teacher , a defender of their gospel , as he accounts himself in his epistle , should use such a weapon against us as so foul and grosse a slander as this is , especially at this day , when both he and we are in a suffering state and condition from our adversaries , wherein we might rather have comforted one another in our sufferings , then added to one anothers grief and affliction by fighting one with another before our adversaries , that would rejoyce to see us both destroyed that they may glory over us ; and as for that humming and hollow sighing as he calls it , it is not from an evil spirit as he supposeth , but rather occasioned by the spirit of god which worketh according to that scripture , with groans and sighs that cannot be uttered , rom. 8. and the lord despises not the sighing of the poor , and the saints groaned in themselves ; and had j. w. or his helpfellows in this his folly been as wise and judicious as he would be accounted , he would rather have judged the deep sighs that he speaks of had arisen from the work of gods spirit rather then from an evil spirit ; for what would he have said of them in whom there was such groans and sighs which could not be uttered , and that groaned within themselves ( as in romans 9. ) would not he have said these were from a familiar and evil spirit ; and as for some being enabled at our meetings , as he saith , to speak two or three hours , this he judges also to be from an evil spirit ; the lord forgive him and make him more wise , or else he can never inherit eternal life , that thus judges it to be an evil spirit by which the servants of god are enabled to speak his word even immediately without consultation or study ; what would he have said of peter who so immediately inspired that he lift up his voice and preached the gospel in a wonderful manner , to the amazement of the hearers , being an unlearned man , and not used to large orations , and this was not by carnal study , nor of an evil spirit , but even as the spirit within him moved him , acts 2. and yet there were some at that day of j. w's spirit who said he was drunk , and the like , because the spirit of god carried him out so wonderfully in declaration , and he saith that it is done in these dayes by an evil familiar spirit ; oh j. w. thou enemy of god , repent , who hast judged the spirit of god to be an evil spirit ; and of many of the prophets of the lord , it is said that the spirit of god came upon them at such and such times , and they spoke to admiration , when as at other times it is possible they appeared weak men ; for saith the apostle , of our selves we can do nothing , but by christ we can do all things ; of themselves they were weak , but of christ strong and mighty , and thus it is among us at this day , we are not ashamed of it , even sometimes we are strong and mighty by christ , and sometimes of our selves mean and weak . 2. as for our silent meetings which j. w. hath charged to be the direct practice of such as have familiar spirits , we say that this is a contradiction to his last saying , who charged us with speaking too much in our meetings , and now charges us with too much silence , this is direct contradiction , and therefore how shall we escape the judgement of his slanderous reproachful tongue , who accuses us for speaking sometimes too much and sometimes too little ; and also doth assert that when we speak we do it by a familiar and evil spirit , and when we are silent that is by a familiar and evil spirit too ; oh thou enemy of god how shall we escape thy cruel censures , it appears whether we speak or be silent in our meetings it is not pleasant to thee , for thou art of the spirit of which christ speaks , who said , john came neither eating nor drinking , and yet that spirit said he had a devil , and christ came eating and drinking , and it said he was a wine-bibber , and the same spirit is j. w. and his fellows of , who say it s by an evil and familiar spirit that we speak , and its by an evil and familiar spirit that we are silent . 3. our meetings are according to the mind of god and example of gods people in fornier ages , and they are for the end to wait upon god and worship him , and we have the evident . testimony of the spirit of god in our own consciences many thousands of us , that the lord god hath been present with us in his heavenly vertue , and power , and comfort , and soul-refreshments in such our meetings , and that many a time have we found the lord when we have been met together to wait upon him , even to the satisfaction of our immortal souls , who hath revealed his goodnesse and his saving health unto us even in our meetings , and this the spirit of god witnesses to us , blessed be his name , notwithstanding whatsoever j. w. or any such slanderous tongues can oppose in this case ; and we have large example in the scriptures that the people of god met together in the same way and manner as we do now , in private houses , and sometimes in the fields , and sat sometimes long in silence , as ezek. 3. the children of the captivity they sat together , and ezekiel was astonished amongst them seven dayes , and at the end of seven dayes , and not before , the word of the lord came to him ; and would not j. w. have lookt upon this silence to have been from an unclean spirit ? and job that servant of god sat with his friends seven dayes and seven nights and spake not a word one to another ; so that from hence it is proved that some of gods servants did sit in silence for a long time , neither do we read that the churches of christ had alwayes speaking and preaching amongst them when they met together , though often they had , and thus we cannot but vindicate such a practice in it self , and the scripture is plain for it , as in sitting together in silence , and in that silence the lords presence sweetly enjoyed , though yet there are very few of our meetings in such silence as that some one or other or more hath not something given of god by way of exhortation to the people or prayer to god , few meetings i believe wherein the lord doth not stir up the hearts of some or other to mention his name ; so that we would be understood in this , we plead not for silence in opposition to all speaking , nor can we plead that of necessity some must speak , or else god cannot be worshipped , though there is no such thing amongst us as brain-study or knowledge before-hand that we shall speak , or what we shall say , like the diviners of this age , who makes up their matter before-hand , and shapes it , what and how to say it before they come among the people to whom they must say it , like artists and tradesmen , this kind of way we reject as unprofitable to god-wards ; yet if any have a particular message ascribed to them of god to a particular people or person , which if any have , let them retain what god puts into their hearts and be faithful to speak it ; but the general way in which god leads us is this , 1. we do know it is our duty by the perswasions of the spirit of god in our own consciences , and partly by the examples of saints declared in scriptures , to meet together at a convenient time and place , and so oft as the wisdom of god shall order for us , which dwells with us . 2. being come together we are turned to the lord in our minds , to feel our peace , and joy , and comfort , and how our conditions are to god-wards in our own particulars . and 3. if any amongst us receive any thing from the lord to speak of what his work is in them , and what he has done for them , or by way of exhortation to administer comfort to others , or by way of reproof to convince or convert others , or by way of praises unto god for his mercies received , or in prayer for what is wanted , i say if any amongst us find ought of this from the lord upon them , they speak it to others , and its well-pleasing to god , and comforting one to another ; but notwithstanding if nothing of this be received from the lord by any in a meeting to declare to others , yet our peace and joy and comfort and teacher is with us , even the grace and spirit & anointing of god that dwells with us , by which every one is fed and refreshed in his own heart in the presence of the lord ; and this is the manner and end and practice of and in our meetings , and that its the practice of familiar spirits to sit in silence , and for the communicating of an unclean spirit , and that none of the people of god ever did thus , and that such a practice is not in the example of scriptures , and that we are gone aside after satan , and publishes his doctrine , and communicates his unclean spirit ; these are six abominable ungodly lyes uttered by j.w. in about 2 pages of paper , and therefore i cannot but exhort thee to repentance , if thou hast not sinned the sin unto damnation , that thou may find mercy if it be not too late ; and thus much about our meetings , which are for the worship of god , which i could not but vindicate in opposition to thy false assertions about the same ; and whether j. w. and his fellows be not themselves guided by an unclean spirit in slandering the innocent , let the god of heaven and earth judge , and saints and angels testifie . concerning back-sliders , and j. w. his stories . 4. as for the stories which he tells of , of one that did confesse that a spirit made him roar , and of another whom he saith is as a brand pluckt out of the fire , that a spirit made him quake and tremble , and another who said that the spirit spoke with a vocal voice in her , and of another who thought himself perfect , and the devil wrought such strange things upon him , as in page 170 , 171. these i look upon to be meerly vain stories , seeing he hath neither named the persons , nor the places , nor the time in which these things should have been , and therefore i conclude them onely vain stories and not worth answering , nor spending much time about ; for what manner of evil hath not been said of us within these ten years , the words of christ have been plainly fulfilled upon us , who said , they shall say all manner of evil falsly of you for my names sake , and among all manner of evil falsly spoken we reckon these stories of j. w's ; but as for such as he sayes are as brands pluckt out of the fire , i perceive he means such who sometimes have been amongst us and professed and confessed to our doctrines and waies , and yet afterwards have turned from us , we do confesse such there may be , even such who may have tasted something of the power of the lord and of his goodnesse to their souls , and have cryed out and trembled because of their iniquities , yea , and have been called out from their kindred , as he speaks , and yet some such have turned aside again to vanity , and then have been ready to make lyes , and frame false reports , and to tell them for their own advantage , to excuse their own revoltings , thinking to defame us as so bad and so evil , that with a more credit to themselves they may turn from us , and some such like persons hath been j. w's informers , if he hath not invented the lyes himself ; and though there be such revolters and false-hearted hypocrites in the world , yet the way of the lord and his truth is alike precious unto us , immutable and unchangeable , though back-sliders walks not in the way thereof , but seeks to asperse it when they turn aside from it ; but let such persons be marked , some such we do know , and they were wicked and prophane before they came among us , and coming among us , possibly were convinced of their sins , and touched with judgement and sorrow for sin ; but now being turned from us again , they are more prophane then ever , and the devil is entred again with the unclean spirits worse then before , and their latter end is worse then their beginning , as the scriptures says of such , and some such as these are j. w. his converts , and his brands pluckt out of the fire , and such to tell stories and he to publish them are suitable correspondents , but truth is over them both , and the way of the lord is pretious and prosperous , notwithstanding all the malicious oppositions that is in the hearts of his enemies , whose judgement is such , that they call truth errour , and errour truth , and calls that the work of the devil which is of god , and that the work of god which is of the devil , and the saying is true upon them , a foolish people that have eyes and see not , hearts and understand not . and whereas j. w. hath been opposing the light within , and both the preachers and followers of it , thereby proving himself to be neither preacher of the light nor follower of it , and therefore neither minister of christ nor indeed a christian ; for whosoever doth not preach the light and word of god within , is no minister of christ , nor in the example of his apostles , as is manifest at large in this book ; and whosoever doth not follow the light of christ within , and walk by the spirit of god which is a light in the heart , is not in the new covenant , nor a member of the church of christ , and such a one j w. is directly concluded to be from his own words , who hath opposed such as preach and follow the light within , as if all such were in delusion ; and he hath denyed that the light within is sufficient to lead to repentance from sin , and pardon of sin , and to comfort in god for the soul ; but he hath found out one that doth all this , that shews sin , and that judges for sin , and that leads to mourn and grieve for sin , and takes sin away , and blots it out , ( to wit ) the devil , as he saith ( if you will believe him ) pray you do but observe his story , page 169. & 170. he tells you there a large story ( but he names neither the person , nor the place , nor time where and when it was , which we demand of him in his next ) of one that preached the light within , as he sayes , that the devil did so and so with him , and that the devil set all his sins that ever he had done in all his life before him , as if they had been written in capital letters , then the devil laid them all to his charge and did judge him for them , and that the devil made him to mourn , and grieve , and weep , and made the tears come from his eyes for his sins ; this done , as j. w. relates , then the devil took all his sins from him , and said , i have blotted out all thy transgressions , and the devil let him loose from all his bonds , and then the devil commanded him to tell what god had done for his soul , &c. now let any sober man judge , that hath ever read the scriptures ' whether this be a likely story , for the scriptures say that it is god that sets mans sin in order before him , and it is god that judges men for sin by his spirit of judgement , and it is he that causes men to mourn and grieve for sin , and it is he that takes away their sins and blots them out by the bloud of christ , and that looseth man from his iniquities and brings them to declare what he hath done for their souls ; and it s our faith that it is god through his own son that works all this , and not the devil , and the scriptures say the same , psal. 50. isa. 4.4 . dan. 9.24 . john 5.27 . 1 john 1.7 . but j. w. his story is contrary , for he relates that its the devil that doth all this , and by this you may judge of this story and the truth of it , and also do but observe the temper of j. w. his spirit , and you shall see through his book he opposeth the light of christ and the anointing within , as if they were not sufficient for the effecting these things , but he hath found you one that can do these things , and who think you but the devil , and that can discover sin and condemn for it , and lead people to repentance , and take away and blot out transgression , &c. he hath brought you a story for the proof of it which we believe he credits to be true , else he would not have brought it for the proof of his matter , as he hath very pertinently done as he supposes ; and further as his story goes , this person that the devil dealt thus by when he would have preached the light within , the devil caused his mouth to shut , that he should not preach it , &c. from which it follows , that the devil and j. w. are both of one mind , for j. w. opposeth the light within as the devil does , from which we have the more occasion to stand faithfully in preaching the light within , seeing both the devil and j. w. do oppose it , though afterwards his story relates that the devil made him preach what god had done for his soul ; and if this be a likely story , let wise men judge ; oh the ignorance and impudency that is fully manifest in j. w. that hath given his faith to believe that the devil convinces men of sin , and judges them for it , and takes away their sin . thus much in answer to his story till his next return , that we may know by him the person and the place , in whom and where these pranks of the devil were acted , as j. w. saith , and in the mean time it rests upon him , that he hath believed and reported better of the devil then of the light of christ jesus and his spirit in men , but it seems an unlike story , for the devil will not destroy his own kingdom . chap. ix . concerning humility and vnity , and the infalliable testimony . now i come to his fourth chapter , the sum whereof is , that our proofs as he calls them , doth not justifie our way and practice , which he saith are in number five ; first , our humility . secondly , our vnity . thirdly , our destroying the whore. fourthly , our discovering all secrets . fifthly , our sufferings in these pretended proofs , saith j.w. like goliah in his armour in which we rejoyce , but he saith , he shall be enabled to take this armour from us , and destroy us with our own sword wherein we trust . answer , to which i answer , first , generally that i. w. hath here mistaken the matter , and stated the case for himself in such a form as his weak wit may easily answer it , and so hath as it were made a man of straw to fight with it ; for he is mistaken , we do not trust in our own strength , nor in these outward signs and tokens which he hath here laid down ; for thus more fully i answer ; we are the people of god , of his chosen and elected seed , and our proof , that we are such is the infalliable spirit of god in us , that he has given us that bears infallible witness and evidence in us and to us that we are such ; and this is the witness , even the holy spirit of the father in which we trust ; and this witness is sufficient to us to prove us to be the people of god , and it is the only evidence in which we trust ; so that he hath mistaken the matter , in saying we trust in our humility , unity & sufferings , thus he hath imagined of us , and then goes about to overthrow his own imagination ; an excellent warriour indeed , that can raise false objections to himself , and then confute them , and think he hath confuted us ; but i tell him again , he hath erred in his proceeding , for we do not trust to any proof as infallible , saving the proof and testimony of the spirit of god that he hath given us , for by that spirit we know we are of god , and they that are of god heareth us , and we are now the sons of god , and it doth not yet appear what we shall be ; thus much by way of general answer ; now we come to particulars , first , as concerning humility , j. w doth absolutely deny , we are more humble and free from pride then all others , either in the outward bodily habit , or more secretly in the heart ; for the romish fryars saith he who are great adversaries to the truth , they excel in humility , and they will be justified rather then thee for their humility ; and again a hermit at ickn●m near london , he saith is so , and so humble , neglecting of the body , &c. then he seems to condemn us for superfluity , that our trades , dit and garments are as other mens , and the hair of our heads like womens , by wch he saith he sees we are not more free from pride then other men ; and as for pride of heart , he saith , it is perceived by our countenance and by our actions , for we neither fear god nor jesus christ , we fear not the judgements of god , but despises his promises , thou hardens thy self in thy wickedness , the holy commandements and precepts of iesus christ thou contemns them , and calls them shells without kernels , empty , carnal , lifeless , and thus we esteem the promises of life and immortality , and reject the promise of the resurrection , &c. and we do not receive man , he saith , for we do not acknowledge any superiour , thou wilt not put off thy hat nor bow thy body to any man , and neglectest faith and gospel obedience , and thy heart is too high to stoop to anything , whereby it should manifest humility of spirit , faith and obedience , by which it is manifest , thou art not more humble but more proude then others , page 175. to 180. answer , first , here is a whole pack of lyes and falshoods , reproaches and slanders heaped up together , reproachfully cast upon us : for we glory not in any thing we are , saving in the lord that has made us what we are , we boast not in our humility , but that god hath wrought it in our hearts in measure , and it is in us a fruit of his spirit , this we dare not deny , least we should deny the work that god hath wrought ; and as for the romish fryars and hermites of which he speaks that are so and so self-denying , we make them no example to us , nor are we of that spirit by which they are guided in their feigned practices of humility , though he compares us together ; but yet their practises of feigned self-denyal may shame you baptists , so called , who professes your selves to be the onely church of christ , and yet in dayes past , have been so proud and high , that you thought you had never places great enough in the nation , but exalted your horn so high , that few but such as were of your fraternity , were counted by you worthy of any place or office , such was your pride in those dayes , and arogancy ( till it was time for the lord to bring you down ) both in habit and otherwise , that the very feigned fryars by their example might shame you , who never came so far in truth of self-denyal as hypocrites have done in feignedness ; and as for our trading , diet and garments , of which j. w. speaks , they are according to godliness , and truth , and righteousness , and according to example of the holy men of god before us ; and so is our hair at which he stumbles as if he would fall , and sayes , we are like locusts , by it , that comes out of the pit , when as there is neither command nor example in scriptures , how oft nor of what length any should cut their hair , but rather no example at all for cutting it then otherwise ; and was sampson and christ and samuel , and many others of the servants of god , like locusts of the bottomless pit , that wore long hair ? how hast thou unjust judge and hypocrite judged the servants of god in thy haste and ignorance , by judging of us in the like case that they were guilty of . 2. and as for the pride of our hearts with which we are so deeply charged by j. w. we will rather lie under his false charge with patience , then give any occasion of suspition that we justifie our selves ; but yet i cannot but charge him in this place with a foul high slander , for we fear god and iesus , and regards his commandments and despises not his promises , nor hardens our selves in wickedness , nor doth not contemn the precepts of iesus christ , nor the pretious promises of imortality and the resurrection , these are all absolute falshoods , and were not j. w. a person altogether impudent and given up to hardness of heart , he would never thus grosly have belyed us , and these lies , must be his onely proof , for he can give no better testimony that we are proud in heart ; the lord rebuke his lying tongue , it s enough here onely to deny his lies , for most of the particulars are before spoken of , to wit , of the commandements and promises of christ , of the immortality and the resurrection ; but he goes on in his accustomed manner of falshoods , and sayes , we acknowledge not any superiours , and that we wholly neglect faith and gospel obedience , and that our hearts are too high to submit to anything of the spirit , faith and obedience , and that we have an eye of scorn and disdain ; all which are lies , and thus j. w. goes on , like as if he had devoted himself to tell a lies , and studied to frame falshood , seeing that every page which i have now under hand carries in it number of lies , but he charges it to be the pride of our hearts , because we will not put off our hatts ; this is false also as much as the rest , for though we cannot put off our hat is in honour to any mans person , nor give them flattering titles of honour , yet this is not from the pride of our hearts our god knows , but from another ground as i could demonstrate , were it the present case of controversie ; but being brought by j. w. as a proof of this matter , therefore now i p●sse it ; so that his onely proofs , that we are not more humble , but more proud then others , which is his present assertion , is poorly and weakly mannaged with proofs and arguments of absolute deceits and falshoods , who hath not one better proof from his pen then a lie to prove his proposition ; and thus i passe this particular , commiting him to the reward of god , according to his work which must come upon him one day ; and as for the matter of our humility , we commit the cause of that also to god , who judgeth more justly then vain man. now i come to the second particular of unity , and j. w. saith , our vnity he doth absolutely deny , for vnity in the truth we have not but in iniquity , for we do not hold the head christ jesus , and we are not in vnity , but in confusion , we are not vnited unto jesus christ by faith , and intimates that we deny jesus christ his person , and contemn his ordinances , and trample his word under their feet , and this do the preachers of the light within , in saith he , for ( saith he ) we are not at vnity among our selves , but one preaching one thing , and another prints the contrary ; and he speaks of one that affirmed that the bread and wine spoken of in scriptures , appointed to be eaten and drunken in remembrance of jesus christ is not temporal nor external , but spiritual and eternal ; another , he saith , should print that that bread and wine is common , such as may be eaten by unbelievers at their feasts , thus are we divided from the truth and one from another , saith he , for some do hold that bread and wine were to be received until he came , by which we understand until he come in us , and thus the preachers of the light within are divided in doctrine , because one sayes , the bread and wine is eternal ; another saith , it is visible and temporal ; and one teacher calleth another dog , and hath disproved each other , &c. page 183 , 184 , 185. answer , to all this i answer in opposition to his charge , we are in unity and fellowship with the lord in spirit , and one with another in him , notwithstanding j. w. his seeming detection as if it were otherwise , and his charge is high , that we have not vnity in the truth , but in iniquity , and his proof for it is like the proof of the former assertion ( to wit ) absolute lies ; for he saith , we do not hold the head christ jesus , nor are united to him by faith , nor have any accesse by him , and that we deny him and his person , and contemn his person , and trample his word under feet ; these are falshoods altogether , and by this means he proves his point , that we have vnity in iniquity , and not in the truth ; t is wickedly affirmed , and as wickedly proved by one of satans messengers , who hath set himself to oppose the lords truth and his people , and that by his masters order , and in his masters way , who was a lyar from the beginning . thirdly , and now i come to his charge , that we are not in vnity among our selves , which he has proved according to his accustomed manner ; for what if some did say , though he names none , that christ broke bread and drank wine with his disciples , temporal and visible bread , and he also broke bread and drank of the cup with his disciples , which was spiritual and eternal and invisible , and these may be both affirmed without any contradiction , christ did eat of the bread with his disciples , which might be eaten at unbelievers feasts , and christ did eat of the bread with his disciples which unbelievers could not eat of , both these are true , and hath no such weight of contradiction in them , as j. w. ignorantly supposes ; and what would he say of the apostle paul and the apostle iohn , the one saith , god is a consuming fire , the other saith , god is love ; and of the prophets , one of whom said , god is angry everyday , and another said , there is no anger in god , would not j. w. had he lived in their dayes , have said , the prophets and apostles were divided among themselves ; and as for some calling another dog , and disowning one another , and yet are all preachers of the light within , though he mentions neither the time , place , nor persons , and therefore because in other cases he speaks so falsly , of which i well know , therefore i may have jealousie , this is false also ; but however , suppose a deceitful person that never knew the work of regeneration should speak of , ye preach of the light within , may not he be called a dog , and disowned , and yet no division among us ? for such are not of us , but contrary to us , and we are onely divided from them , and not among our selves ; and had j. w. lived in the apostles dayes , what would he have said , when some of the apostles withstood others in some controversies , would not he have said ye are dissemblers , ye have not unity among your selves , but are in confusion , and so and so ; and also when some deceivers got up and preached christ and the gospel , pretendedly for filthy lucre , and for covetousness , and had the form of godliness , and were sometimes conversant in the churches , but the apostles cryed against them and disowned them , though they were among the churches , and preached the apostles words ; but were the apostles therefore divided , and deceivers , and in confusion , because of some such amongst them ? thou ignorant man , i tell thee nay , no more are we , though hypocrites may get the words of truth from our mouths , for such are not of us , but we are divided from them , though among our selves in the body of christ of which we are members , we have unity , peace and fellowship with the lord , and one with another . chap. x. concerning destroying the whore , discovering secrets , and sufferings , &c. now i come to the third particular about destroying the whore , which j. w. saith he denyes we do , his reason is this , because we were not instrumental in banishing the popes nuntio's , legates and iesuites , nor have we stopt the popes pardons nor indulgencies by our preaching ; and he sayes , when did we cause cross and crucifix to be pulled down , and when was bell , book and candle , monasteries and popish hierarchy demolished by us ; then he speaks of our running up and down and railing against the ministers of the nation , and giving them reviling language , and what we do in destroying the whore , as if we would turn people out of one way of wickedness into another as bad or worse , and we delude the whore more then any others , we bid her repent , but withal , teaches her to reject the word of god , and to reject christ and disobey the gospel , &c. pages 185 , 186 , 187. answer . to all this i answer , the whore is the false church , not onely the false church of rome , as j. w. seems onely to intimate , but the whore is all that hath the name of church , whether they be national or congregated churches so called ) that do not witness , nor can prove that they are lawfully married to christ , such whomsoever are the whore , and against this whore we are ●ent to give our testimony against her by the spirit of the lord , in order to the converting people from her , and to destroy her , which we know the god of heaven will effect by his power in his own season ; but he denies this , because we have not banished the popes nuntio's , nor the jesuites out of this land , &c. by the same rule j. w. nor none of his fellows , nor the baptists are not themselves the true church , nor destroyers of the whore as they pretend ; and while we are censured by them , not to be destroyers of the whore , but one with her , or worse then she , by the same reason they give that we are such , they themselves are proved to be as bad as they say we are ; for when did any of the baptists banish any of the popes nuntio's , jesuites or legates out of england , and when did they stop the popes pardons and indulgencies by their preaching ? and when did they demolish bell , book and candle , and popish hierarchy , and pull down popish crosses and crucifixes ? if these be found reasons alleadged against us , that we are not destroyers of the whore because thereof , by the self same reasons j. w. and his fellow baptists are proved to be no destroyers of the harlot , the false church , but as bad as she , and upholders of her . secondly , but is this the way to destroy the whore by banishing , killing and destroying the persons of the papists , and by laying violent hands on their crosses and monasteries ? &c. i say no , for the destruction of the whore must be by converting and turning people from her by found doctrine , and by drawing people by true love from errour and falshood to truth and righteousness , and not by killing and banishing , and doing violence to persons for their errours sake ; but it is manifest that the baptists would destroy the whore , the church of rome , and all that differs from them in point of religion on this wise , by killing and banishing persons , and this is clearly manifest by his own words , that they pretend to destroy the whore by killing and banishing persons , which is a spirit of cruelty which lodges in their hearts against the persons of people that differs from them , and it is the same spirit that is in the whore of rome , that would bring forth the same practice if it had as great force ; but let me tell them this is not the way to destroy the whore , but thereby they rather prove themselves to be of the whore ( bloudy and cruel ) that drinks the bloud of the martyrs and prophets . 3. and whereas j. w. charges us with running up and down and railing against the ministers of the nation , hereby it is manifest that he takes part with the false ministry in opposition to us , and hath joyned himself to baal , and hath charged us with deluding the whore more then any others do , and if we turn any from the national way of worship , and from the papists , and if any turn from open prophanenesse to joyn with us in the way of the lord , j. w. hath concluded such to be in a worse way of wickednesse , and to be more deceived in that state then if they were papists , idolaters , or common prophane persons , thus much his words signifie , for though ( saith he ) we bid them repent , yet we teach them to reject the word of god , and christ himself , as though preaching repentance were a rejecting of the word of god and of christ himself , which is ignorance and impudency in j. w. to affirm , who also doth signifie that such as turns from common idolatry and open prophanenesse to our way , are in a worse condition with us then they were before ; the lord rebuke his ignorance as well as his lyes . 4. and we do know that our testimony against the false ministry in these nations hath not been ineffectuall , but god hath blessed our endeavours , and converted many from the way of errour in doctrine , practice and worship , to the way of truth and righteousnesse , though j. w. reproachfully calls it running up and down railing and cursing of the ministry , which is like the rest of his work , ( to wit ) falshood ; for we have given a blessed and a precious testimony against unrighteous wayes , and not used cursed nor railing language , though we have spoken plainly and not flatteringly to them , neither have we as some of j. w's brethren and generation have done , cryed against them , for the end that we might dispossesse their persons and possesse their places , and benefits , and tyches , and hire ; these things have we not done , though i could mention some of the baptists that have done it to my knowledge , like hypocrites and self-seeking persons , i cannot but speak plainly seeing i am provoked to it , and to lay their own wickednesse upon them , and let j. w. defend such if he will , and he shall hear from me again . 5. now i come to his fourth particular about discerning of secrets , which he sayes he denyes , and that we do not discern the mystery of christ his taking away the sin of the world , nor the mystery and the secret of god manifest in the flesh , &c. these mysteries we are ignorant of , though we can discern who we have deceived by that spirit of antichrist which guides us ; and he speaks of some that have been mistaken in some things , and thus he saith , thy deceitful dealing is seen , and the pride of thy heart , &c. page 188 , 189. answ. as for discerning of spirits , i do say it is the gift of god that god giveth unto his people , and there is such a gift in the true church as discerning of spirits and secrets , and this same gift god hath given some at this day , but that we discern not the mystery of christ jesus nor of god manifest in the flesh , this is j. w. his accustomed language , to wit of lyes and falshood , which i sum up to the rest of his lyes ; and as for our being guided by the spirit of antichrist and deceiving others thereby , this is spoken in his haste if not in his malice , and because he gives no proof for it , i passe it with the answer of a plain denial ; and as for mistake of persons or things which he imputes to us , suppose it be true which he saith , yet this proves us not to be dissemblers and deceived , as he concludes of us ; for was not the apostle paul who had the gift of discerning , sometimes mistaken , as particularly in the case of the high-priest , and afterwards said he wist not that it was gods high-priest ; now j. w. would have charged paul by the same rule he charges us , that he was ignorant of the mysteries of christ , and led by the spirit of antichrist , and a deceiver and dissembler and deceitfull dealer , and that he had not the spirit of discerning , but was proud in heart ; why ? because he mistook a person , but such false judgement j. w. spends in his haste and malice . now i come to the fifth particular about sufferings , and j. vv. saith , it is not sufferings onely which makes a martyr , but the cause for which the sufferings are ; and he bids leave off boasting in our sufferings , for romish priests though great adversaries to the truth , yet for sufferings they exceed us , and we suffer many times as evil doers , and there is a spirit in us that waits but for an opportunity to make others to suffer ; and he speaks of one that hath been threatned to be thrust out of doors by head and shoulders , and sayes you will be as free to execute punishment whensoever you obtain power to enable you to do it , &c. page 190 , 191. answ. 1. as for sufferings we do confesse that we are and have been a suffering people under cruel persecutions even to death and banishment out of the dominions where some of us have lived , and such our sufferings have been for the name of the lord , and for good conscience sake , this the lord himself from heaven bears witness of daily , and then what need we care for all j. vv. saith with his lying spirit to the contrary ; and some of our friends have been martyrs , not because of their sufferings onely , but for the cause for which they have suffered , which is the direct cause of god and of a good conscience , and j. vv. is never able to prove the contrary , though we do not boast of our sufferings as he falsly saith , nor do we look upon our selves to be the people of god , because we suffer , but we know we are the people of god and therefore we suffer , and herein is christs words fulfilled upon us , who said , as they have done unto me so shall they do unto you , and they shall speak all manner of evil on you for my names sake , and he that suffers as a christian , it is a testimony to him that he is of god , and that his persecutors are of the devil . 2. as for the romish priests who have deeply suffered , though i will not say for truth and righteousness sake , yet their sufferings are a shame to your generation , who cannot suffer for that which you call the truth , as they do for that which you call falshood , and do not they here shame you , who can suffer death for their religion , but you baptists that was lately tryed by imprisonment , though at first many of you refused to swear as out of point of conscience , yet afterwards the generall part of you did deny your own principles , and did swear contrary to the command of christ , and to what once your selves professed , and for which you were imprisoned , and thus you proved deceitful persons , and hypocrites , and such as would neither keep conscience to god nor faith to men ; and j. vv. himself came feebly off in this point as some well knowes , and so indeed he had need to plead that suffering is no good sign , seeing he and his brethren could not suffer , no not so much as the romish priests , to their shame be it told , who were many of you in great confusion about that very thing of swearing , some of you holding against it , and some writing for it , and suffering a while for refusing , and at last did swear , and so made your selves a scorn to your enemies , and proved your selves to be in confusion , and treacherous to your own principles and consciences . 3. in that he chargeth that we suffer many times as evil doers , and not for the sake of christ and truth , we charge him to prove this in his next , or else silence shall be taken that he acknowledgeth himself to be a lyar and slanderer ; and as for our waiting an opportunity to make others to suffer , this is onely his envious surmise ; and for some threatning others , as he saith , and cursing them , having no better weapons ; this i account like the rest of his stories , not worth answering , though t is possible j. vv. judgeth of us by himself , as if we wanted power to execute what our wills could do ; this i verily believe is the state of him and his brethren , for we have power enough according to the will of god , and out of his will desires no more power , though j. vv. wickedly suggests as if we would be cruel like himself , but this is but his imaginations , and not worth heeding , for god hath made us long-suffering and patient towards all men . chap. xi . concerning the word of god and the scriptures , and the word and writings truly distinguished . now i passe over to his fifth chapter , as finding little to oppose between the 192. page and the 205. excepting half a score of lyes which i leave till j. w. and i meet , which i hope may be in a good season ; and his fifth chapter contains , concerning the scriptures and the word of god , and he charges us that we deny the doctrine of the scriptures of the old and new testament to be the word of god , and uses reproachful language concerning it , and speaks of one laying the bible upon the ground and setting his feet upon it , and we delight to abuse the scriptures , and are filled with rage against the word of god , and that we foam out disdain against the scriptures , and then takes in hand to prove the scriptures to be the vvord of god , &c. page 205. answ. 1. here is a grievous charge laid down and managed in manner as aforesaid , for it is utterly false that we use any reproachful language concerning the holy scriptures , neither ever have i known any of us ever set his feet upon the bible in contempt and abuse of the scriptures , as he saith , though it is very true there was one richard stokes in the north of england that was then an anabaptist , ( so called ) and so yet for ought i know , that did in contempt and scorn tread upon the bible in the presence of many witnesses , so it may be j. w. mistakes one of his own friends and thinks he is one of ours , for it is not delightful in us to abuse the scriptures , nor are we filled with rage against the word of god , nor do we foam out disdain against the scriptures , these things are utterly false . 2. this testimony we have often given concerning the scriptures , and here again i give it upon this occasion ; the scriptures are writings in which are contained many words of god , and may be properly called the words of god declared by writing , and as they were given forth by the spirit of god , and no whit altered in translation , they are a perfect testimony of god , and his works , of christ , and his salvation , and of the experiences and testimonies of the servants and holy men of god , and also in the scripture is contained many words of the devil , and the words of wicked men , so that the scriptures are a true testimony ( as they were first given forth ) of all these things , and we believe that the scriptures were spoken forth by the holy spirit , as the holy men of god were moved thereunto , and whatsoever is written ought to be believed and received for truth , and a true relation given by the spirit of god ; but the scriptures cannot properly be called the word of god , for they are words and writings , and admits of alteration and change , and therefore cannot properly be called the word of god , but onely a declaration of the word , and of that truth which lives and abides for ever , and which must be believed and practised for salvation ; and the scriptures do say that the word of god was in the beginning , but the scriptures began but to be written by moses , which was many hundred of years since the beginning , and therefore the scriptures cannot be the word of god which was in the beginning ; again the scriptures do say that the word of god made the world , and lives , and abides for ever ; but the bible , the scriptures did not make the world , nor can abide for ever , but will passe away as we see daily books wears away , though the truth therein declared of shall abide for ever , and therefore the scriptures are not the word of god which must endure for ever ; and thus we do distinguish , and we would have all to do so , between the book ( the writings ) which are most properly called scripture , and that truth , salvation , word of life , and the things declared of in scriptures , the one endures for ever , the other not , the one is the word of god , the other a testimony of it ; and thus we distinguish , and yet not denying the truth and life , and salvation and redemption , nor the christ which the scriptures speaks of , but fully acknowledging that they are infinite and everlasting , and the scripture declare of these things but are not the things themselves ; neither do we deny to ascribe all lawful dignity and title and reverence to the scriptures , but yet we cannot account them what they are not , nor give that honour to them which god gives not , nor which he appointed them to receive , though further we do acknowledge there is no other gospel , nor way of life and salvation , nor no other christ for redemption and eternal life , nor no other truth for substance but what is declared of in the bible , which we do account as i have said as it was given forth by the spirit of god , to be a true testimony of all these things ; this and such like testimonies we have often given concerning the scriptures , yet still acknowledged christ jesus to be the word of eternal life , he and no other , and yet this confession we make , not contrary unto or to oppose , but according unto the scriptures , and our testimonie concerning the scriptures is so well known both by word and writing for these many years , that i need not here say much more in this case , onely that the scriptures all along calls christ the word of god , and no where that i know of in the scriptures doth it call it self the word of god , but a declaration and a treatise , luke 1. acts 1. and whereas j. w. saith , is not the truth exprest in the scriptures eternal and incorruptible ? and what lesse then an almighty hand hath preserved that book ? and this is devised deceitful doctrine to teach all men to hearken to the light within them , thereby to turn away their minds from the scriptures ; and he mentions that scripture the words of the lord , and every word of god are pure , and the entrance of thy word gives light , and my words shall not passe away , and whosoever shall be ashamed of my words , &c. page 208 , &c. answ. to all this i answer , why is j. w. so blind as to bring this in opposition to us , as if he confuted us in something we held contrary to this , when as it is nothing so , for we say the same as these scriptures testifie , that the truth expressed in the scriptures is eternal and incorruptible , yet the writings which are properly scriptures will corrupt and change and alter , and we do know the hand of god hath been in preserving of that book to this day , and our benefit by the scriptures are not the least of others , as i might instance in divers particulars , and we confesse fully to the truth of all these scriptures cited by him , and there is not any one of them opposite to us in any thing that we hold ; but why doth he secretly here weave in his slander , as if we did direct people to the light within them , thereby to turn their minds from the doctrine of the scriptures , which is utterly false , for we direct people to the light of the spirit of god within them , not contrary to , or to make void the scriptures to them , but according to the scriptures , and that they may come to the fulfilling of them , and witnesse the truth wrought in them whereof they speak , and therefore his secret slander is turned out of doors ; and further he falls out in high tearms , that god will punish such severely as do speak against the scriptures , and do disdain and reproach them , and that do add to or take from them , and against such as do vent their rage against the scriptures , and tread them under their feet , as the adversaries of christ , the preachers up of the light within do , saith he , who are blasphemers of god and his truth , when they cast the scriptures on the ground , and call the scriptures lifeless , &c. page 212. answer , these threatnings and judgements do not belong to us , as not being guilty of his charge , so let the judgement be to himself , for we are not guilty , but he guilty of wickedness in charging us so falsly , like as if he had given up himself to rail and accuse the innocent ; for be it known to j. w. we esteem as well and truly of the scriptures as he doth ; and thus i count it a sufficient answer to deny his false charges , and to turn back his own sentence to him again , god will punish him severely for his wickedness . chap. xii . concerning the infallible teacher , and that it is the spirit of god , and not the scriptures . now i shall proceed to j. w. his proofs , that the scriptures are an infallible teacher of the doctrine of salvation , &c. to which i answer , this is a false assertion ; for first the scriptures as he hath confessed , are subject to change and alteration , and that which is so is not infallible , for that onely is infallible which admits of no change nor alteration ; but such are not the scriptures ( the writings ) and therefore not infallible , though it is alwayes acknowledged the truth and way of salvation declared in the scriptures are infallible . secondly , this assertion seems absolutely to deny the spirit of god and its teachings , which is given in the new covenant unto all that believe , for god hath promised , i will put my spirit within them , and pour it upon them , and they shall need no man to teach them , but as that spirit teacheth them ; and the spirit was promised by christ that it should be given to lead into all truth , and be the everlasting comforter , and it is the spirit that quickeneth and gives life , and sanctifies and teaches to do the will of god , all this the scriptures testifie , and not as if the scriptures were the teacher , the comforter , the leader , but the scriptures say the spirit doth all this ; but j. w. has accounted the scriptures to do all , and accounts not of the spirit to do any thing , for he hath hardly mentioned it in this case , and thus his folly and weakness hath appeared ; in giving the scriptures authority above the spirit , and as it were dis-throning the spirit that gave forth the scriptures , and exalting the scriptures in its place ; but we say , that its the spirit that works all things in order to mans salvation , god works in us to will and to do all good things by his spirit that he hath given us , according to the scripture , and not contrary to it , for the spirit is infallible which gave forth the scriptures , but the scripture is changeable in translation and interpretation , as we see by experience , and therefore not infallible ; and though j. w. say , first , the scriptures do make mention of all works of righteousness , which ought to be observed by the sons of men . secondly , and the scriptures do most severely forbid all works of wickedness which ought not to be done . thirdly , and the scriptures declare of the promise of peace and happiness which ought to be imbraced . fourthly , and the scriptures speaks of the punishment which god would inflict upon sinners : those are four of his reasons page 216. by whith he would prove the scriptures to be the infallible teacher of salvation . answer , though it be true that the scriptures do declare of every work of righteousness which ought to be done , and of works of unrighteousness which ought not to be done , and of the promises of god which ought to be embraced ; yet it is the spirit of god that teaches men to perform and observe that righteousness which ought to be done , and to deny that wickedness which ought not to be done , and to receive the promises of god ; though i say , the scriptures declares of these things , yet it is the spirit of god that gave forth the scriptures that teacheth and leadeth into these things that the scriptures speak of ; and it is that spirit that is the infallible teacher , and the scriptures are onely a declaration of the things which the spirit is infallibly to teach ; and : as for thy fourth reason , though generally the punishment of sinners is declared in scriptures , yet it were an easie thing to mention particular punishments for particular people upon particular occasions , which the scriptures do not make mention of ; for i am of that mind , that some of his fraternity are at this day under a punishment for their sin which the scripture makes no particular mention of , and if he scruple it in his next return , j. w. shall have particular instance in our next reply ; so that this reason is partly true and partly false , also deut. 28.61 . t is signified that there are plagues and punishments for sinners which are not mentioned in the book of the law ; and as for thy 5 , 6 , 7 , and 8 , reasons to prove the scriptures are an infallible teacher , all of them are much like the former , and the same answer in kind may be said , as thus , we acknowledge the scriptures declares sufficiently for truth and righteousness , and against deceit and unrighteousness , and of the promises of god , and threatnings for sin , &c. yet still this proves not the scriptures in themselves infallable to teach infallibly , but as i have said , it is onely the spirit of god that is the infallable teacher , into all that truth which the scriptures declares of , and by the spirit men receives power to be the sons of god , and to do his will , and not by the scriptures ; and thus we give the spirit of god its prerogative and priviledge , and the scriptures also what belongs to them , but we dare not give that dignity to the scriptures which belongs to the spirit of god , thereby abridging the spirit of god of what belongs to it , and setting up the scriptures in opposition to it , as j. w. hath clearly done for want of knowledge and understanding in the mysteries of god : again he saith , the scriptures are very far in authority and clearness before any spirit or light in any mortal man in the world , page 218. whereby he hath clearly given more dignity and authority to the scriptures , then he hath to the spirit of god , and so hath set up the scriptures above the spirit , which is direct errour , if not blasphemy , that he should say , any thing is far greater in authority and clearness , then the spirit of god which dwells in mortal man , even in his saints ; and thus the result of j. w. his reasons and arguments about scriptures , is a clear denyal of the spirit of god , and setting the scriptures above it ; furthermore he saith , vvhatsoever doth make manifest is light , the scriptures doth make manifest the mystery of salvation , therefore the scriptures is light ; again he saith , that the scriptures are the more sure word of prophecy which peter speaks of , which was as a light which shined in a dark place , & the commandements of the lord is pure , and the vvord is a lamp unto the feet ; then he speaks of the powerful operation of the doctrine of the scriptures upon the hearts of such as believe , which doth convince and convert , and turn from darknesse to light ; and how can their doctrine be from the same inspiration which is against the doctrine of the scriptures ? page 219 , 220. 222. answer , here joseph wright hath jumbled some illiterate logick , which may be ▪ proved false , as thus ; the scriptures ( its true ) doth declare of the things that ought to be done and believed , and the things that ought not to be done , as to the general part of things ; yet there are many particular actions and things which the scriptures do not make manifest , and we would have j. w. to leave a little room and work for the spirit of god , and not thus utterly to reject it ; for the scripture saith , it is the spirit that reveals the things of god and the mystery of salvation , and not the scriptures , viz. the writings , and that sure word of prophesie which peter speaks of , that was as a light shining a dark place , was something more sure then the very words which christ spoke with his mouth to them , which were written by matthew , and the light which shone as in a dark place , to which they were to take heed , was more sure to them then christs words which were written and were scriptures ; and thus j. w. may see his mistake and perverting of scriptures , if he will be but sober and reasonable , and that the commandement of the lord is pure , and the word is a lamp , we do not deny , but gives as full witnesse of , as j. w. can do , and therefore he needs not cite these scriptures to oppose us , for it s thy malitious spirit that opposeth us not the scriptures , for we acknowledge to the truth of these scriptures , by the spirit which gave them forth , which is greater then the scriptures ; and as for the powerful operation of the doctrine of the scriptures , it is not of themselves that they do operate in any , but it is by the spirit that gave them forth , which worketh in the hearts of believers , to comfort and refresh with the love of god , and it is the spirit according to the scriptures that doth convince and convert , and not the scriptures without the spirit , as j. w. would say ; and it was the gospel that paul preached ; that turned them from darkness to light , and not the writings which say , that the gospel is the power of god , and not the writings , and it is meer ignorance in j. w. to intimate that our doctrine is against the doctrine of the scriptures , this i shall account amongst thy slanders , and it is not the least of them . and whereas thou flyest out high in high words against us , that we must consider and leave our inventions , else sin will lye at our doors , and our bloods will be upon our heads , &c. and there is no less then four lies in thy last page , but these words are to thy self and not unto us , for we are not the persons concerned , we follow not vain inventions , but we are saved out of our blood through jesus christ ; and for j. w. now to exhort us to repentance , when as in page 47. he hath given absolute judgement on us without limitation , that the mist of darkness is reserved for ever for us ; this is a direct contradiction which shews what spirit he has been guided by in all his work ; and thus we have searched and examined j. w's whole work from the beginning to the end , and given an answer to the material parts thereof , saving that we have not mentioned many lies and slanders which we have passed over , and do reserve them till we come face to face , otherwise till our next reply ; and what we have written , we must commit to the judgement of the spirit of god in all sober persons , who may for their own edification , compare his work and ours together , and truly weigh each of them in the ballance of equity , and to the spirit of found judgement , and to the fear of the lord all are committed and commended in the reading and considering and judging of these things . last of all , for a final conclusion for present , if it be supposed by j. w. that this is not a sufficient answer to his book , i do propound unto him this further , in order to the satisfaction of any sober persons , if any be doubtfull in this case ; that first both of us may agree to appoint a convenient time and place for a meeting to dispute it out face to face , that which yet remains in controversie between us . 2. this being done , that all his friends and ours that are doubtfull or desirous of such a thing , may have knowledge of it . 3. that in such meeting no foul reflections , nor impertinences , nor bitternesse of spirit be allowed on either part , but discretion and moderation . 4. i shall first take in hand to prove a very great number of lyes , contradictions and falshoods in his book . 5. then i shall hear his defence for himself , and his objections against any thing in ours , and answer them , and after this manner shall be our proceedings , if we do meet ; it s true , times and seasons are unsuitable for such a meeting and work , yet rather then any detriment should fall upon the truth , or the cause of preaching the light within be endangered to harm , i am willing to hazard the greatest adventure , hoping we may do such a thing if necessity require , in that wisdom and prudence as may not offend any ; this i shall leave as my farewell to my antagonist at this time , and thus seal up the whole sum . e. b. the end . errata . in the 6. page of the preface line 5. for contra . read contrary , in the 7● page of the preface line 27. for this work read his work , in the 2. page of the book line 9. read we vindicate , l. 14. read and his pleading against free-grace to all confuted , p. 3. l. 29. for own while r. one while , p. 6. l. 31. for strife r. self , p. 17. l. 29. for arising which r. arising with , p. 27. l. 9. for then r. their , p. 31. l. 13. r , ignorant of it , p. 48. l. 22. for receive r. reverence , p. 50. l. 11. r. tell lyes . notes, typically marginal, from the original text notes for div a71239-e1350 * witnesse jer. ives , who openly swore to get himself out of prison after he had written against swearing , for which some of them called quakers openly witnessed against him ; also divers others of the baptists did swear for fear of suffering , as also the said jer. ives and john tombs , and hen den , ( who have long been teachers ) did divulge their deceitful stuff in their books for swearing , as those that sought to betray the simplicity of god in others of their brethren , who were more conscientious then themselves , who could not with a safe conscience swear , though some through the deceit of their teachers were diverted from the truth in their own consciences . to all dear friends & brethren in the everlasting truth & covenant of the almighty jehovah, blessed for evermore burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 1662 approx. 27 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 5 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. text creation partnership, ann arbor, mi ; oxford (uk) : 2005-10 (eebo-tcp phase 1). a62696 wing t1320 estc r20636 12563157 ocm 12563157 63295 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the 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(eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a62696) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 63295) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 704:13) to all dear friends & brethren in the everlasting truth & covenant of the almighty jehovah, blessed for evermore burrough, edward, 1634-1662. j. c. j. p. howgill, francis, 1618-1669. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 8 p. s.n., [s.l. : 1662] caption-title. dated and signed: newgate prison, the 12th of the 4th month 1662. e.b., j.c., j.p. 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ascii text with mnemonic sdata character entities); displayable xml (tcp schema; characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or text strings within braces); or lossless xml (tei p5, characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or tei g elements). keying and markup guidelines are available at the text creation partnership web site . eng society of friends -england. 2004-12 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2005-02 spi global keyed and coded from proquest page images 2005-03 mona logarbo sampled and proofread 2005-03 mona logarbo text and markup reviewed and edited 2005-04 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion to all dear friends & brethren in the everlasting truth & covenant of the almighty jehovah blessed for evermore . we the prisoners of the lord , and for the testimony of christ jesus , do bear in our remembrance with dearest salutations of perfect love , all our suffering brethren every where , and also the whole flock of our fathers tender love , whom he hath elected and chosen in his own secret counsel before the world began ; dearly and well beloved , our very souls this day , are deeply affected with the cause of god , and our persons at this time are engaged in these bonds , for the testimony of the same ; and truly , in soul , body , and spirit , are we offered up to the perpetual loss of all , that the name of the lord , and his saving truth , may be testified unto , in faithfulness unto all the world ; and in the lord our hearts are resolved in the confidence of his spirit , to suffer the greatest of afflictions and persecutions , rather than forfeit or loose , one grain of this so blessed a testimony now trusted with us , and for whic● , we now suffer these bonds : and unto faithfulness herein , we find that the lord our god , daily increaseth our strength and boldness , our patience and long suffering , and doubleth his spirit of power and wisdom upon us , that we may never faint in trial ; and we labour to be armed in our inward man , with whatsoever may uphold us , and defend us in this day of our afflic●ions ; even that our faith and patience , our holiness and meekness , our long suffering , and love to enemies ; and all heavenly vertues may be compleated in us , and possessed of us , till our god take vengeance upon the wrath of our adversaries , and deliver his ( now ) poor despised and oppressed people ; for these vertues are the armour with which we delight to be cloathed ; these are our weapons with which we chuse to be defended , and this must be our final vic●ory , when the faith and patience , the meekness and long suffering , and heavenly vertues of christ jesus in us , have exceeded in measure , and superabounded in effect , all the unbelief and impatiency , the enmity and ungodliness , in all that hate us ; love shall overcome wrath and envy ; patience shall subdue rigorous persecutors , and hatefull workers ; the very god that dwells with us , shall condemn and confound the wicked one , with all his might , and power , and malice , and persecution , cruel imposition on tender consciences , and oppression and injustice shall be no more : and this is that victory , for which we spiritually war , and these and no other , are the weapons with which we do contend ; and the cause is god's in which we are ingaged , and for which we suffer this present day . brethren , we hope ye are all like-minded with us , and that this same cause of god , his truth and righteousness is fixed before you , and is your aime and mark , and that it is alike dear and precious in your eye , and that ye are armed with the same armour of god's heavenly vertues ; it 's the breathings of our life to the father , that the whole church of chri●t , and every member thereof may be kept faithful , to hold forth the holy testimony of jesus , by suffering in this great day of trial. the testimony of which , we have heard and learned , believed and received , from god the father into all our hearts , is so precious to us , in it's evidence of peace , and comfort , and justification , and salvation , in eternal life in our inward man , that we compare no afflictions , nor present sufferings of our outward man , to the price and vertue thereof . for we can say in the verity of our souls , how ever it shall go with our outward man , in respect of tribulations , and persecutions , yet in our inward man , we possess the peace , and comfort , and salvation of the everlasting god ; and to bear forth the testimony of this in our age to the world , even of that love and life , mercy , justification and salvation which we have received , we can forgo liberty , life , and all : for this is our duty to which we are called , and the end for which we were born , to bear witness to the truth , and for the holding forth of this witness , we are given up in soul , body , and spirit , to suffer the loss of all , rather than to loose this testimony-bearing to the view of the world . wherefore , we beseech and exhort all of you , that have tasted of the loving kindness of our god , that ye be faithful and valiant this day in the cause of god ; not fearing the fury of the ungodly , nor the threats of enemies , nor the terrors of this world , nor seeking to save your own lives ; but in the faith and patience , pressing forward in the race of righteousness , till mercy , peace , justice , and true judgment , run down as a stream , willing to suffer the loss of all , that truth and righteousness may live upon earth , and the worship of the true god be exalted , and all the contrary overturned , and this is the reward of all the saints afflictions . be faithful in your trials , let e●tates , relations , life , and all go , rather than the cause of truth and righteousness be diminished of it's glory , by the unfaithfulness of any this day . surely our hearts are zealous for this matter , and we are pressed in spirit , to encourage all the lords people to put on all holy confidence in this day , and to cast away all unbelief , doubtings and fears of this world , and to maintain the truth of god's worship in the assemblings of his people together , in the strength and power of the lord jesus chri●t ; even to live in it , and to dye for it , to enjoy god's pure worship , and to suffer the losse of all , if called thereunto . we know you are not ignorant concerning this cause of god , which we thus affect , and exhort you to be faithful in ; it 's no other than the testimony of a pure conscience towards our creator , and that every person should follow christ , and obey him , and walk in the light and life of his spirit , which he hath revealed in the heart ; & that god should be feared and worshiped in a clean conscience , and that the salvation of god may be testified of ; this and no other is the cause of god , in which our souls and bodies are ingaged , we know no ca●se upon earth , worth our afflictions and sufferings , nor for which we will contend with any , save for the salvation of god , and that his justice and mercy , his truth and righteousness , his way and worship may be exalted upon earth , and all the contrary subdued by his mighty power . this is the very cause compared , to which our mortality is not to be accounted , even that we may behold god's salvation going forth in the testimony of it to all nations , and that nations and peoples , may injoy justice and truth , liberty and freedom , in the pure worship of the living god ; this is the cause that must live , [ the lord hath spoken it ] though for it we may die ; for our all is adventured upon the same . but whilest our hearts are pouring forth daily prayers towards god , and exhortations towards you , that you may be faithful to give publick testimony to the name , truth , and salvation of god ; our souls also desire that you all may eat and drink of that spiritual food , which will cause your inward man to grow , and that your own hearts may be kept pure and undefiled in his presence , and that the seed of life , with the fruits and blessings thereof may fill your own souls ; that while you are striving by patience and long suffering against your outward enemies , no inward enemy of evil lusts or affections , strife or divisions , or any thing of this world may enter into your bosoms to defile you . dearly beloved alwaye● h●ve a special regard unto your standing as to god-ward , and what increa●e of life , love , peace and comfort , ye daily receive in your spiritual ; man knowing , that by the inward vertue of the fathers presence , the peace and joy of god in your inward man dayly receive● from him , by that must you stand in strength and dominion against all enemies within and without . therefore , feel the seed of god , and it's growth and incre●se in your own hea●ts , that you may have perfect peace and vnion with god in spirit , while ye are hearing publick testimony , by doing or suffering for his truth and name . j. c. and brethren , our hearts and souls reach unto , and dearly salute you all ; for while we remember the lord and his goodness unto us , we cannot forget you , no not the least babe and little one amongst you all , for what are we , or you , or all of us together , joyntly , or apart ; but what we are in his life , love and peace , that endureth for ever ? whose mercies , glory , riches and goodness , as so many sparkling diamonds and jems of value , adorn our crown and make it glorious , and every one doth shine with lustre and beauty in the eyes of all that behold us ; and whilest we are so adorned , may we not say , our cloathings are white and fine , such as are in kings houses , and our attire no other than what becometh princes ? and what ever we have been it matters not , except to set forth the favour and goodness of him , that hath so raised us from the dunghil amongst the beggars , to sit upon thrones in glory with princes ? and to shew how the angel of gods presence hath saved , and taken us from our begging state , at the rich man's ga●e , like so many lazaruses , bruised and wounded , from head to foot ; and carried us into abrahams bosom , where we are at rest , praising our god , and our king of riches and mercy for ever . dear friends , we write unto you all , that you may partake with us of the same life , glory , rest and peace , and not only drops and sprinklings of the same , but full measure , heaped up , and running over . for you are our witnesses , that we , with the rest of our faithful brethren , have not withheld from you , the whole counsel of god revealed to us , and in us , according to the good pleasure of our lord and master ; neither have we kept back from declaring to you his mind , and the mysteries of his kingdom , yea , his hidden mysteries ; ( which have been hid in god since the world began ) and that in season , and out of season , at all times and places , as he hath given us opportunities , and required us so to do ; and that not in words , which man's wisdom teacheth , ( lest thereby we should make void the cross of christ ) , but in plainness and simplicity , that god's witness in every conscience might answer us , and we unto every conscience might be made manifest in god's fight , as we know we are this day , and we have our reward , from the lord of the harvest that sent us forth ; and this adds to our comfort in this day , that we were faithful unto our god in what he committed to our charge : and now , what is o●rs , and our brethrens reward , and crown of rejoycing , but this , that you stand faithful in this time of trial ? for you know we have not been like unto those who have begotten into the airy spirit , that so you might be alwayes kept in the uncertainty , ever learning , but never get ability to learn and perform what you have been taught ; for what we have received from christ , by vertue of his resurrection and assention , is perfect , and hath been ministred unto you , for the perfecting of you all , with the rest of the sanctified ones in christ jesus , until you all come to a perfect man in christ , even unto the fulness of the measure of the stature of christ. for which we pray , and desire of our god and father for you all . let your meetings be in god's fear and counsel , as at other times , never heeding what man can do unto you ; but still be you all followers of that which is good , and then , who can , or shall harm you ? keep in the love to , and unity with that of god in all : let the witness of god in all answer your words and actions , rendering to none evil for evil , but overcoming the evil with the good ; so shall you be known to be the servants of the living god , and followers of the lamb as dear children . and be terrified in nothing , as from any of the sons of men , that can befall you ; for all your hairs are numbred , and not one shall fall , without gods providence ; neither shall the wrath of the wicked be unbounded ; but what ever turns not to his praise , that he will restrain , and the day of your deliverance hastneth : only look not you out , but keep close unto the lord , with your eyes only towards him , and not upon , or unto any temporal , or visible thing ; but alone unto the lord god of life , and unto the measure of himself made manifest in your own hearts ; for unto that you were directed at the beginning , and in it is your safety and preservation unto the end . j. p. and dear brethren , the lord god almighty , who is our alone salvation , having laid the thoughts of the cause of our sufferings near unto the secrets of his own soul , uttereth his voice out of sion , to you his children , in his city jerusalem , saying , s●and up ye babes of my blessings , and you sons and daughters of my love , gird , gird on strength in this day of my battel ; for loe , my banner is over you , my standerd is with you , my ensigne is displaid amongst you , and my everlasting power and omnipotency attends you : and it shall not fail you , i will not leave you in the day of adversity , nor forsake you in the time of captivity ; for i have chosen you , i have called you , i have purchased you , after the travail of my soul for you ; and blood , even the everlasting blood of the covenant of my life was paid as a ransome for you ; and now you are no more your own , but mine ; and i cannot be hid , nor separated from you , but as i am faithful , i will be with you ; as you have had me your god in all your tribulations and sufferings , wherein i did bear both you , and your griefs , and all your afflictions in the yearning bowels of my tenderness ; which yet i will break , i will break , i will break , more infinitely open unto you , which shall melt , and dissolve you , and make you stream to me , as i am in flameing streams of love and life towards you ; i will reach you in your holes ; bolts , nor bars of brass or iron , nor walls like mountains shall shut me from you ; but in your denns and dungeons i will come in among you , and walk in the midst of you , and you shall know that i am the comforter of your hearts , and the rejoycer and gladder of your spirits , in all the times of your needs : and whilst the yoak is upon your necks , and the oppressive burdens upon your backs , and i bearing both you , and your burdens over the raging seas , that are angry at my voice , and troubled at the breathings of my life : i will trouble the hosts of the philistims , their horses shall fail them , their chariots shall not stand in any stead unto them , for i will break the wheels and the axeltrees , and they shall fall , they shall fall , they shall fall , i the jehovah of israel , the mighty god of little jacob have spoken it , & it shall surely come to pass , and you shall be delivered by the hand of my power saith the lord. and therefore sing you lambs , and reioyce you my little tender babes in that i have travelled for you , and born and brought you forth unto the day of my glory , in the glory and the excellency thereof , to witness my name of power , which will scatter all the chaff that is heaped up as mountains against you that you , whom i have planted may prosper as a fruitful vineyard , that the abundance of the fruits of blessedness , in the power of my righteousness , may be brought forth in you , to your joy , and mine honour , even for ever . ah brethren , our very hearts and souls are overcome , and ravished , whilst we consider the endless love , and everlasting riches of the favours and mercies of our father towards us ; and what he hath ready in his hand to deal bountifully unto us ; yet but a little , but a little , and he will give it , and make the emptiest vessel as an over-running river , whose banks cannot contein the streams for fulness . it is his love , his love , even his endless everlasting love that over-powers us , which is not conteinable within us , but must run , and flow , from the movings of the great oceans , as the swiftest streams into your tender bosomes , that you may he refreshed in us , in which the answer will return into our bowels , and our joy will thereby be augmented , and increased : and we trust in the pure living sense of all , our hearts shall be always full of the praise of our god , who in all his blessed works , is worthy of all honour , and everlasting thanksgiving , and glory , even of us , and all his saints and children for evermore ; who , in him , are yours to serve , both him , and you , in doing and suffering , whatsoever is his good pleasure concerning us : and in him , everlasting blessings and peace be multiplied to you all . amen . e.b. j.c. j.p. newgate prison , the 12th . of the 4th . month 1662. the cogitations of my heart have been many , deep , and ponderous , some moneths , weeks and dayes , concerning his people , which he hath raised to bear testimony unto his name , in this the day of his power : and intercession hath been made often for them to the lord , and a patient waiting to know his mind concerning them for the time to come , which often i received satisfaction in , as to my self ; but yet still something i was drawn by the lord to wait for , that i might comfort and strengthen his flock by an assured testimony . and while i was waiting out of all visible things , and quite out of the world , in my spirit , and my heart upon nothing but the living god , the lord opened the springs of the great deep , and overflowed my whole heart with life and love , and my eyes were as a fountain , because of tears of joy , because of his heritage : of whom he shewed me , and spake unto me , in a full fresh living power , and a holy full testimony ; so that my heart was ravished therewith , with joy unspeakable , and i was out of the body with god , in his heavenly paradise ; where i saw , and felt things unutterable , beyond all demonstration , or speech . at last the life closed with my understanding , and my spirit listened unto him ; and the everlasting god said , shall i hide any thing from them that seek my face in righteousness ? nay , i will manifest it to them that fear me : i will speak , do thou listen , and publish it amongst all my people , that they may be comforted , and thou satisfied . and thus said the living god of heaven and earth . upon the 28th . of the 3d. month , 1662. the sun shall leave its shining brightness , and cease to give light to the world ; and the moon shall be altogether darkness , and give no light unto the night ; the stars shall cease to know their office , or place ; my covenant with day and night , times and seasons shall sooner come to an end , than the covenant i have made with this people ( into which they are entred with me ) shall end , or be broken , and my word is unchangeable ; yea , though the powers of darkness , and hell combine against them , and the jawes of death open its mouth , yet i will deliver them , and lead them through all ; i will con●ound their enemies , as i did in jacob , and scatter them , as i did in israel , in the dayes of old ; i will take their enemies , and i will hurle them hither , and thither from me , even as stories are hurled out of a sling ; and the memorial of this nation , which is holy unto me , shall never be rooted out , but shall live through ages , as a cloud of witnesses in generations to come . i have brought them to the birth , i have brought them forth , i have swadled them , and they are mine ; i will nourish them , and carry them as on eagles wings ; and though clouds gather against them , i will make my way through them , and though darkness gather together on a heap , and tempests gender , i will scatter them as with an east wind , and nations shall know they are my inheritance , and they shall know i am the living god , who will plead their cause withall that rise up in opposition against them . these words are holy , faithful , eternal , good , and true. blessed are they that hear and believe unto the end. and because of them no strength was left in me for a while ; but at last , my heart was filled with joy , even as when the ark of god was brought from the house of obed edom , when david danced before it for gladness , and israel shouted for joy. fran. howgill . the end . a message for instruction to all the rulers, judges, and magistrates to whom the law is committed shewing what just government is, and how far the magisrates power reacheth, and what the sword of justice is to cut down, and what it is to defend ... / e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30533 of text r25317 in the english short title catalog (wing b6013). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 59 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 16 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30533 wing b6013 estc r25317 08881986 ocm 08881986 41971 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30533) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 41971) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 1278:9) a message for instruction to all the rulers, judges, and magistrates to whom the law is committed shewing what just government is, and how far the magisrates power reacheth, and what the sword of justice is to cut down, and what it is to defend ... / e.b. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 29 p. printed for thomas simmons, london : 1658. reproduction of original in the union theological seminary library, new york. eng church and state -great britain. church and state -church of england. a30533 r25317 (wing b6013). civilwar no a message for instruction, to all the rulers, judges, and magistrates, to whom the law is committed, shewing what just government is, and ho burrough, edward 1658 12259 11 0 0 0 0 0 9 b the rate of 9 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the b category of texts with fewer than 10 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 spi global keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-07 jonathan blaney sampled and proofread 2004-07 jonathan blaney text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-10 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a message fo● instruction , to all the rulers , judges , and magistrates , to whom the law is committed , shewing what just government is , and how far the magistrates power reacheth , and what the sword of justice is to cut down , and what it is to defend . whereby they may learne and be directed to discern betwixt the guiltless and the guilty ; and betwixt a matter of wilfull wrong by evill doers , which they are to punish , and a matter of conscience , by men that fears god , which they are to be a praise unto , and not a terror ; and in particular divers causes are discovered ; which are proved to be matters of conscience , and not of wilfull wrong ; though many therefore are unjustly persecuted and afllicted as evill doers . with an exposition of some parts of the law ; for the edification of such , as desires to judge righteously between man and man , who would discern of different causes ; and justify the righteous , and condemn the evill doers . by a friend to righteousness , and a lover of just judgement , who desireth the increase of good government . e. b. london , printed for thomas symmons at the bull and mouth neer alders-gate , 1658. a message for instruction , &c. concerning government and magistracy this i have to say ; it is an ordinance of god , ordained of him for the preserving of peace among men , for the punishing and suppressing of evill doers , and for the praise and safety of them that doe well ; that mens persons and estates may be preserved from the violence and wrong dealing of evill men ; and for this end government was ordained of god , to be set up in the earth by the institution of the lord ; that righteousness should goe free , and the wicked be bound and limited . now such as handle the law , and are executors thereof , who are ordained of god to iudg and govern the people ; ought to be iust men ; fearing god , and walking in his law , and hating and denying every false way , that people may receive examples of righteousness , and holy and lawfull walking from their conversations ; and they that are set to govern the people ought to have the spirit of true and sound iudgment to try into the root of all causes , whereby they may be able to discerne of different causes ; and to give iust iudgement in all things ; and such will iudge by equall measure for god , and not for man , but without respect of persons ; and such will be a terror to transgressors , and will strengthen and encourage them that doe well ; and then the execution of the law will answer the end wherefore it was added ; for because of transgression was the law added to slay transgression , and to bind under the transgressor , and to make him stand in awe and be afraid ; for the just law , reacheth to the just witness of god , and answereth it in every man , and he that walkes in the law of god , and hath his heart therein exercised , the law of man hath no power over him , to condemne him , but it justifies him , and defends him , and preserves him from all wrong ; but who doth not walk in the law of god , but is excercised in evill , and transgresseth the light and pure law of god in his conscience by doing evill & by wrong & unjust dealing ; then the law of man takes hold upon him , and binds him , & judges him , & condemns him ; for the evil done by him , contrary to the light in his own conscience , which answereth to the just execution of the law in condemning of him : and this is the work of the law in the hand of faithfull executors , who justly executeth the just law , in defending and preserving the iust and innocent men from wrong doing , and in condemning and iudging the ungodly and evill men , for wrong doing ; whereby the witness of god in them both may answer to the iust government in defending the one , and in condemning the other ; and this is a good savor to god where the iust lawes are iustly executed , by ius● men , but where unrighteous men are in power , and the execution of the law in their hands , that are themselves transgressors , such will not iudg for god , but the good lawes will be subverted unto wrong ends , from their proper vertue ; and the hands of the wicked will be strengthened , and the evill doers will escape unpunished , and the innocent will suffer , and iustice and true iudgment will be turned backward , for when the wicked beares rule , the people cannot rejoyce , nor iustice and true iudgment cannot be received from men , who are themselves unjust and unrighteous ; for though the lawes may be good and iust ; yet the executioners thereof being evil , and themselves transgressors , worthy of condemnation by the law ; the transgression of the law in others cannot iustly be iudged by such , who are themselves guilty of iudgment , and therefore the lawes will be subverted , and iustice and true iudgment neglected , because such as handle the law knowes not god , but are in the transgression of the righteous law , and of the iudgment thereof are themselves guilty ; soe therefore they that handle the law should be men iustified according to the law , and free from the transgression ; that they may the more iustly punish , reprove and condemn it in others ; and may minister iustice and true iudgment through the law to all people under them ; and no man ought to be respected in iudgment , but every mans cause ought to be heard , the poor as well as the rich ; and their matters diligently sought into , and all ought to receive iust iudgment from iust men by the iust law ; for the law is a defence about all the righteous , to defend and preserve them ; in peace and freedome , from all their enemies , who are to be limited by the law , as i have said : and they that are reconciled to god , whose consciences are excercised towards god in all things , they are not under the law , nor the law hath no power over them , for the law is fullfilled in them , by christ who teacheth them in all things to walk without offence towards god and all men , in truth and in righteousness , to god and all men ; and such the law of man is to defend and not to iudg them ; to iustifie them , and not to condemn them ; and to be a praise to them , and not a terror , and such setteth to seal that the law is iust and good and holy ; who walketh in iustness , in goodness and holiness ; and doth not transgress the good lawes of any nation , but walk void of offence towards all , for they walk not in the flesh , but in the spirit , and are doers of the law , and not breakers of it ; and so comes not under the guilt of condemnation , in any thing , but are iustified in all things ; for the light of christ leadeth them into all truth ; and so out of all condemnation ; their wayes are righteous and pure , and their workes are iust and equall towards god and all men ▪ and they seek not the wrong of any mans person or estate , but seekes the good of all , forgiving their enemies , and praying for them , and seekes not vengeance upon their adversaries , but they bear all things patiently , and such are the servants of god , and not transgressors of his law , nor the iust lawes of man ; and if such doe suffer by a law , that law is uniust , and so is that magistrate that executes that law ; and that suffering is not for evill doing , but for a good conscience sake , and the innocent can rejoyce in such suffering , but the executioners thereof shall howle and weep ; so that in all ages there was such suffering , which was not for evill doing , but for the exercise of a pure conscience ; and such sufferings there are at this day ; and this is because the unrighteous and the uniust beares rule which subverts the law , and turnes true iudgment backward , and oppresseth the seed of god , and rules over it in tyrany ; and this is where darkness rules in the heart , and ignorance in the mind ; and true iudgment is wanting , for light is called darkness , and darkness light ; and good is put for evill , and evill for good ; and truth is called heresy , and error is called truth ; and because of this the righteous are iudged uniustly , and falsly condemned ; and the guilty are set free , and thus is iudgment turned quite backward ; where the seed of enmity ruleth above the seed of god ; and such a government is not blessed , but made a curse unto that dominion ; where it is seated , and this is because such are set to rule and govern ; who are not ruled and governed by the lord , but are in the transgression of the iust and righteous law ; and are uniust men , and not reconciled unto god ; upon whose shoulders the government lyes , and the execution of the law in their power ; who cannot minister true iudgment , nor discerne of different causes among men . and therefore all magistrates are to weigh and be considerate in all these things , and so to act and iudge among men , as they may give a good account unto god and all men ; and when a cause is brought before them to give iudgment of , or any accused unto them ; that they should execute the law upon ; they should by the spirit of the lord first try into the ground and nature of such matters , to know whether it be a wilful and purposed wrong or injury done between man and man , or it be of ignorance or want of better knowledge , or such like : or whether it be a matter of conscience , or about religion , or the worship of god whereupon the controversy dependeth , and if it be a matter of wilfull and purposed wrong , or of ignorance , then good reason and justice will teach a magistrate to defend the innocent from wrong , or to restore his wrong by true iudgement , that his person and estate be freed from all wrong , and preserved , and that the wrong dealer be restrained and punished and iudged iustly according to his offence : but if it be a matter of conscience about religion or the worship of god , then the magistrates with their law ought not to meddle therein ; or to iudge of such matters ; for these things concerning the things that are spirituall are out of their iurisdiction , and not in their power to iudge of ; and if the controversy between man and man depend about such causes , not having reflection upon persons or estates , but onely about spirituall matters , then magistrates with their lawes ought not to iudg in these causes ; but spiritual men ought onely to give their iudgments hereof , as they have received from god ; and though men be in controversy about religion and the worship of god , yet if they be men of peace not wronging one another in their persons or estates , they ought to be both protected in a good government by the iust and righteous laws , and here the sword of iustice is laid onely upon the evill doer , to be a terror and a punishment to him , and to limite and restrain him from wrong dealing , and this is the end wherefore it was ordained of god to be among men , and not to be laid upon the conscience to oppress and afflict the tender consciences of the upright ; whose minds are exercised in the law of god , for such should have praise that doe well by the sword of iustice while it is a terror to all evill doers whatsoever , and this is the perfect and wherefore the law was added , and the practise of it herein by faithfull and iust executors , is well pleasing and acceptable to the lord . and now as concerning this one thing , which is oppression in the nation , brought forth through the uniust and false execution of the lawes , whereby many tender consciences are afflicted ; and not for any wrong or evill doing , but for the excercise of a pure conscience ; whereas many for conscience sake doth deny and cannot pay any thing , to maintain a steeple-house or place of worship , which the people of the world doe worship in , and where they commit idolatry , neither can they for conscience sake pay any thing to uphold such worship , and such a ministery and ministers , which are not of christ , nor ever were sent of him ; but of antichrist and such by which the people are led in blindness and error , as manifestly doth appear through the whole land . and yet the magistrates some of them being blind and ignorant as the people , doth compell many people by their writs and orders and iudgments to maintain a priest and steeple-house , which for conscience sake they deny to maintain , and yet by authority from the magistrates are the innocent mens goods spoyled by distress , and great oppression excercised upon many poor people , to maintain and uphold the ministry and worship of this generation , which is not of god , but against him , and many hereupon are cast into prison , and others have their goods taken from them by violence , and great havock is made in the countries about this matter , now first it may be considered that to deny , uphold , and maintain a steeple-house and place where ignorant people in tradition do meet to worship ; is not a matter of willfull or purposed wrong dealing , or the breach of any bargin or contract between man & man , but it is a matter of conscience to the people of god ; & for a good consciencie fake , they cannot do such a thing as to maintain a place of worship , which abomination is committed in by ignorant & rude people , who are without the fear of god , as daily is manifest , & it is not manifest that by denying of this they iniure any mans person or estate , in any thing which belongs unto him by lawfull bargin & contract or otherwise , neither is there any reason or equity in this matter that any should be forced & compelled by iniustice & oppression to uphold a house of worship which others worship in , and not they , and they knowing that worship to be abomination to the lord also , and not the true worship of the true god , and their is no iustice nor religion in it , that any should be caused by force to uphold a house , for other people to commit and practise idolatry in , if the house were for any good purpose or honest practise , as for poor or impotent people to dwell in , or such like , who had not houses of their own , because of their poverty , then that were a deed of charity to uphold it , and the people of god would not deny it , but could freely give their mony to such an use and end ; but because it is not to such an use , but onely a place to commit idolatry in , and to worship god ignorantly in superstitions ; therefore it is a matter of conscience unto many ; and for a good conscience sake , they rather suffer the spoyling of their goods , and afflictions upon their bodies ; then to pay their money for such an use and end , and herein the magistrates doth great injustice in the sight of god and his saints , and contrary to reason and a good conscience ; in causing innocent mens goods to be spoyled by cruelty to uphold a place of idolatrous worship , contrary to mens tender consciences , for as i have said they do no wrong to any man , but only peoples wills are offended ; and their blind zeal turned into rage and fury against the iust , who worships god in spirit and in the truth , and cannot uphold the houses of false worship ; and it is a shame unto the people and ministers themselves ; who cannot uphold their own worshiping houses , and it is a reproach upon their god and their religion who causes others to maintain their worshiping houses ; by iniustice and great oppression , and will not themselves maintain the houses where they worship their god , but people who fear god , are greatly oppressed divers wayes to uphold worshiping places for others to worship in , as in many parts of this nation is wofull testimony , which is a shame to the magistates by whose authority these things are done ; and a great reproach to the very name of christanity that people against a pure conscience , and contrary to good reason , should be compelled to uphold and maintain a worship and ministery which they doe not partake off , but their very enemies that persecute them ; whose consciences are defiled and not excercised ; and their worship and ministery , which stands not in the excercise of a pure conscience , but in vain traditions and superstitious idolatry ; are the people of god forced to maintain with maintenance , by oppression contrary to their consciences ; and the unjustness of these things cries for vengeance from heaven upon the ungodly rulers and people ; who causeth the iust and upright to groan by oppression ; and thus the law is subverted , contrary to that end wherefore it was added ; and the government is abused contrary to that purpose wherefore it was ordained of god ; for the guiltless are condemned and judged , and the guilty are set free ; the excercise of pure consciences are oppressed , and the false abominations and idoll worships are strengthened and defended ; and because of these things is the wrath of god kindled , and shall not be quenched , till it have consumed the wicked from off the face of the earth , that the just god may be feared , and his people enioy their freedome and liberty in the practise of the pure religion , and the excercise of their pure consciences ; and this will the lord bring forth in his appointed time according to his promise ; that his people may reioyce in him over all their oppressors , and cruell taskemasters which doth uniustly oppress the seed of god . and as concerning the maintaining of ministers , it is the same in nature , and as uniust and unequall as upholding of worshipping houses ; for though many out of a good conscience do deny to maintain a professed minister by paying to him so much or such a summe , yet they do not hereby wrong him wilfully , contrary to right , in breaking any contract or covenant , formerly made with him by themselves or predecessors : nor they do not withhold from him any thing which properly belongs to him as debt , or due for his labour ; by any covenant binding thereunto ; onely the most that can be said is , that such a summe , or gift was formerly given ▪ out of that estate to a man belonging to such a parish ; and therefore now it is claimed as due , by custome of many generations practise , and so ought to be done ; as the maintenance to that man because of his labour in his ministry ; now to this i answer , what though it was formerly done , such a summe paid , and such a gift freely given by our ancestors in the times of ignorance and darkness ; that practise of theirs then doth not bind any now to do the same , seing no record can appear that they bound themselves and their heirs for ever so to do ; and now hath the clear light of the gospell sprung forth , and the light of the day hath discovered all the workes of ignorance ; and though the man that claimes such a gift or hire as debt to him because of his labour , let them pay him , for whom he doth labour ; and who doth partake of his ministery and labour , and let others be free , who for conscience sake , cannot do it ; who knowes his labour not deserving of wages , but to be deceit and abomination , and deceiving of soules ; and sees himself to be a proud , covetous man , and an idle person ; who maintaines himself by the fruit of other mens labours , in the vanity of life and without the fear of the lord , and this makes the thing a matter of conscience to many , that for no better use nor to no other end , they should pay their money , ( which cannot be justly claimed as a just debt , but as a gift at most ) to the upholding of such men and such practises , which are not according but contrary to god , in labour , life , and practise , and to uphold and maintain a man as a minister of christ which is not so , but the contrary as by his fruits is made manifest , and that in ministery & worship , which is not the worship and ministery of the true god , but the contrary as doth appear , this many of the people of god cannot do for a good conscience sake , except they should transgress the light of christ and the law of god , in their own hearts and consciences , and so bring themselves into condemnation by the lord ; so let all men take notice hereof , that though the people of god do deny to pay any thing to uphold and maintain such a worship and such ministers , which are not the ministers of christ , nor the worship of the true god ; but rather gives their goods to the spoyler and their bodies to the prison ; yet this is onely for the exercise of a good and pure conscience , and not out of wilfull wrong and iniury ; and their suffering is not as they are evill doers , but as they are saints for a good conscience sake , because they cannot be subiect to the wills of uniust men in upholding and maintaining such things against their consciences ; but are willing rather to suffer then to offend the lord , and their own consciences , neither is there good reason or equity in it ; nor any part of a good conscience ; that people by iniustice should be compelled to maintain a minister whom they know is not the minister of christ by his fruits and effects and workes and practises , and so are forced against their own conscience to uphold a man in pride , in idleness , in coveteousness and in a vain and evill life , by unrighteous wages , now if their mony were to maintain a man that 's poor , or if that man had not of his own sufficiently to preserve his wife and children from want , then it were a work of charity to give something if it were every year or oftner , to maintain him and his family , and the people of god would not refuse to give something for this end , no man should compell them nor have cause to spoyl their goods for it , but as he professes himself a minister of christ , and a labourer in the gospel , but is not so , but lives in pride and the vanities of this world , upon such an account they cannot maintain him nor give him any thing at all with a safe conscience , neither is there any reason in it that they should for they receive not his ministery , neither doth hear him , neither doth own him as a minister of christ , nor doth not partake of his labours , nor doth not set him on labouring , and this is greatly uniust that any man should pay or be compelled to pay ( by force and oppression , ) wages to a man as his labourer and as his servant who doth not at all labour for him , or do him any service , neither doth the man partake of his works or labours , neither hath any benefit thereby , but rather loss and disadvantage because of his labours , which he doth for others , and not for him , nor by any order from him ; for he knowes his labouts to be nothing but vanity , and a cheat and deceiving of people , and for him to be compelled to maintain such a man , in such ill imployment against his conscience , this is uniust and unreasonable ; and what man in the world would do it or be compelled thereunto , without crying out of great oppression ; as to maintain a man with great wages , as his labourer and servant who doth not labour for him , nor serve him , but labours against him as much as is possible ; and this is the very cause , between the preists of england in their maintenance in claiming of it , and receiving of it , and the people of the lord who doth deny to maintain them ; or confess any lawful due they have to challenge any of them . and also it is a very shame to the people of this nation for whom such ministers do labour , who cannot maintain their own ministers themselves , who labours for them , and of whose labours they do partake , but others are compelled by iniustice , to maintain them , who doth not partake of any of their labours , nor set them to labour , but denies them and their labour on that account , and yet are forced to pay them wages ; and this is uniust and unreasonable , that men should be constrained by force to pay other mens servants , which works and labours for other and not for them ; and what man in the world having reason in him , would do it or be forced to do it , without complaining of heavy iniustice as to maintain another mans servant with wages , who works for others , and not for him , neither was hired by him , nor set on work nor receives any benefite by him , but another hires him and partakes of his labours , and yet he is compelled against all reason , and equity to give him his wages ; all will conclude this were uniust and not according to god but against him ; and this is the very cause between the people of god , who cannot pay to maintain false teachers and the people of the nation , who hires such teachers and receives of their labours and teaching and yet compells others to give them wages , contrary to good reason and iustice , and against the excercise of a pure conscience , and above all the magistrates blindness and ignorance , and the uniustness and wickedness of some of them doth appear , to their shame , by whose authority these things are done , reaching out their power in those things , further than they have received power from god , and abusing the law and iust government , and subverting it to another end than wherefore god hath ordained it ; for the magistrates power and authority , is not to be laid on mens consciences to oppress and imbondage the tender consciences of the lords people ; in forcing things to be done contrary to good reason and against a good conscience ; and by these things is the land filled with violence and oppression , and the innocent and iust doth deeply groan ; till the lord arise to plead their cause , and to bring deliverance unto them , through the destruction of all their enemies ; and he will break down all the bonds of cruelty and oppression , and will take away every yoak that doth burden and oppress the upright , that his people may be a free people , from all uniust men , and the people of the lord doth claime this as their priviledge , belonging to them by the iust laws of god and men , to worship god in spirit and in truth , and to uphold and maintaine that worship onely , without being compelled by force to maintaine any other whatsoever , and they claime as right unto them to maintaine what ministers , and uphold what ministry , as they know is sent of god , by which people are profited , and which they have received the knowledge of god through by his spirit , and to be free to maintaine how and as the lord leads them unto , without being forced by any law , or unequall authority , to maintaine the false prophets and hirelings , and deceivers , who lives in pride and excess , through the oppression of the poor and innocent , and such ( as ministers of the gospel of christ , ) the people of the lord cannot maintaine , but rather gives themselves to suffer heavy and cruel things by unjust and wicked men , who violates the just laws of god and man ; and the suffering is for a good conscience sake , & for righteousness sake , and not for any wrong or evill doing , and for a testimony that they are of god , and for a witness against their enemies , that they are of the devill ; who doth his works , and these makes war against the saints and the lamb , and the beast seeks to kill all that will not worship him , for he hath been great in the earth , and his seat upon nations , and who hath been able to make war against him , for many generations : againe there is another suffering great and grievous which is unjustly laid upon the people of god , which suffering is not for evill doing , but for a good conscience sake as is manifest ; as because many are moved of the lord by his spirit , to goe into the steeple-houses and meeting places , or other places to reprove sin , and among people , or to exhort them unto good , and to follow christ , and to deny the wickedness of this world , or such like , as they are moved , some are moved to reprove a hireling teacher , who deceives the people , and walks in the steps of the false prophets , and lives in pride and vanity and evill , contrary to the doctrine and practise of christ and the apostles , and this practise of the servants of the lord in reproving evill and exhorting to good , is called a disturbance of the peace , and an unlawful practise , and such like ; it is falsly judged by unjust men ▪ who knows not the spirit of the lord , nor the moving thereof , and because of this , many innocent men are caused deeply to suffer , contrary to a good conscience , and some are sent to the house of correction , there suffering cruell things from hard-hearted men , and some are put in the stocks and whipped , and others fined and cast into prison , and such like sufferings are unjustly imposed upon them , and not for evill doing , as i have said , for though they reprove sin in teachers or in people , or exhorts them to good , whether in steeple-houses , markets or other places , yet they do not hereby wrong any mans person or estate ; neither is this any matter of wilfull wrong , or to such an intent , neither doth it disturb the peace , nor is any unlawfull practise ; but onely out of a good conscience to god and man , is it done ; and it is a matter of conscience to the servants of the lord , to do so , and they cannot leave it undone least they should transgress the law of god in their own consciences ; because they are commanded of god so to do , that people may be instructed in the right way to god , and be converted out of every false way ; and this is the very end , of their work and their intent in doing it ; and they ought not in justice to suffer for it , for it is according to the law of god , and in reason and a good conscience , and the lord justifies them in it , then that law and iudgment must needs be corrupt and unjust , which condemnes the people and servants of the lord , as for evill doers , for obeying the commands of god and for the exercise of their pure consciences , and no mans person or estate being wronged or injured but onely sin and wickedness reproved and exhorted from ; and hereby thus is the law perverted , and true iudgment turned backward , and the guiltless is condemned guilty , and the guilty is set free ; and the obeying the commands of god and the excercise of a good conscience is unjustly iudged a transgression ; and this is a shame , and will be great condemnation to such , in the day of the lord by whose authority this is done ; even that the excercise of a good conscience , even reproving of sin and exhorting unto that which is good ▪ to follow that and to forsake all evill ; should be iudged and punished as a hanious transgression in a nation and common-wealth professing christianity and pure religion ; and this makes the sin much more great and unpardonable , because the practise and faithfull excercise in christianity , and in the pure and true religion , is adiudged transgression & condemned by such who professes the same thing in words , and yet persecutes and punisheth the excercise of it in others ; and this shews them uniust iudges and hypocrits ; who causes the servants of the lord to suffer ; for the practise of that which themselves profess in words , to wit religion and christianity , for i affirme against all opposers whatsoever , that it is , a practise in religion according to the scriptures , to goe into the steeple-houses , meeting places , markets , highways , or other places , and reprove sin and wickedness , and cry against evill in priests and people , and exhort to good and to forsake evill , and therefore it ought not to be prosecuted and punished , but defended and maintained , by the just government of a common-wealth , and by just laws and magistrates ; for this the lord requireth that justice and truth , and true iudgement be exalted , and the innocent and upright defended , in all their ways of a good conscience , and that evill doers and sinners and transgressors , be condemned and righteously iudged . also many of the servants of the lord doe deeply suffer , and is deeply afflicted by iniustice , for the exercise of a good conscience in other things , as because they cannot put off their hats and bow in respect to mens persons , according to the vaine customs of the heathen , and because they cannot swear upon a book , by kissing it and laying the hand upon it according to the idolatrous forme , and for such like causes , because many cannot fulfill the lusts and wills of men , that lives in pride and evill wayes , in these and other things , therefore are the people of god put to great sufferings , though they deny not the honour due to all men in the lord , without bowing the hat , nor to affirme the truth in every cause , in faithfulness without an oath ; now to keep on the hat , which is a cover for the head , to keep from cold or heat for healths sake , before any man whatsoever , though never so great or noble , is not any wrong or iniury to the mans person or estate before whom it is done , but onely the high minde and the proud nature , and that which is exalted above the fear of god , which would be lord over his fellow creatures , that same is offended and troubled , which bears not the image of god , but of the devil , as hamman was , and would be bowed to , and had in honour , and respected , because of knowledge or parts , and proud gestures or apparell , and the children of the lord cannot doe it , nor give honour to him , nor be subiect , and pleasing to that man , who is of that spirit and of that nature which is not of god , but exalted in pride , and vain-glory above the fear of god and against him , and would be worshipped , and had in honour and reverenced of his fellow-creatures , who hath not so much riches in this world as he , nor is so proud in apparell as he , and because of that he looks to be bowed unto with hat or knee , and is offended if he be not , and then in his pride he rages and is vexed , and seeks revenge against such as cannot honour him , and respect him in his pride and vaine-glory ; but as i said this is not done as a matter of wrong unto any , though the hat be not bowed or put off , but it is a matter of conscience unto the people of god , and for a good conscience sake they doe deny , and may not give obedience , and honour , and respect , out of the fear of god , to proud flesh , and to men which is not in the fear of god , which expects reverence out of the lord , and they know it is nothing else that is offended but proud flesh and an exalted mind , and a man that fears not god , neither walks in his ways ; i say it is nothing else nor any besides , that is offended or troubled , because the hat is not put off and bowed , and the people of god are not carefull to please or offend , that in men , and men as such ▪ for they know nothing of god , nor any man that truly fears god will be offended at the want of a hat bowed to him , and thus it is a matter of conscience unto many , and for a good conscience sake they doe deny to honour and subject themselves by obedience to any man , as he is a man out of the fear of god , and in the glory of the vaine world ; expecting reverence out of the fear of god , and contrary to his law , which forbids the respect to persons , and all honour which is not according to god ; for who doth fear to offend a man , as a man without the fear of god , and doth obey & honour any man , by putting off the hat before him or otherwise , and not onely in the lord ; such are servants to the wicked one , and not unto god ; who fears the wrath of the wicked , and subjects in honour to please the wicked by putting off and bowing the hat and such like ; and such knows not the excercise of a pure conscience to god ; so this is a matter of conscience to deny to honor , and to please wicked men , as such , by bowing the hat , and no man in justice ought to be made to suffer because of it , for the law of god justifies it , and that law and iudgement is corrupt , and perverted which condemns it , and likewise though many deny to swear at all ; though not to testifie the truth , yet they do not wilfully wrong hereby to any mans person or estate , but it is a matter of conscience unto them , and with a good conscience they cannot swear , but doth deny it upon all conditions , because christ hath commanded not to swear at all , and the apostle doth exhort above all things not to swear ; and therefore it is a matter of conscience unto many and not a matter of purposed wrong towards any man , and though here it may be obiected ; but for want of oath a iust man may loose his iust cause , because iudgement depends upon witness by oath ; to that i answer , that is because , the law is not according to christ , by which the iudgement comes , but is uniustly grounded upon the breach of christs command , viz. swearing , and whether ought the man to be blamed or condemned as a transgressor , who keeps christs command and cannot swear at all upon any tearms , or whether that law ought not to be corrected and regulated to be according to the law of christ , and all that which is contrary in the execution thereof to be condemned and removed ; that a just mans witness may be given and taken upon occasion without an oath ; and his just cause may goe on against his enemies by just judgment , grounded upon the naked truth in plainess testified without swearing , this is to be considered , and though it be again obiected , but many , say some makes more conscience and are more afraid to testify falsly upon oath , then upon bare words without an oath , so to have the truth known wholly , that is the end of the oath ; to this i answer , a man that truly and uprightly fears god , will be as much afraid & make as much conscience of speaking falsly , as of swearing falsly , and out of a good conscience will testifie as truly , as if he swore , and for others who fears to swear falsly , and doth not so much fear to speak falsly without oath , this is because there is a greater punishment to such , and it is accounted a greater offence among men , to swear falsly then to speak falsly , and for the correcting of that the punishment and offence should be changed , and such as testify falsly without oath , may be accounted offenders and punished , as such who swears falsly , and this will bind the wicked in a sufficient fear , and cause them to be afraid , of testifying falsly , even as much as of swearing falsly , if the testimony in causes among men , of such evill persons who cannot make conscience of lying ; nor speak the truth without swearing , it ought the rather to be had , and to be done , by binding by a law and punishing , if he testifie a lie , then by causing him to continue in the breach of christs command ; but however still i say such who out of a good and tender conscience , doe deny to swear , ought not to be persecuted and punished as great offenders ; for while this is done , the law and good government is perverted , and authority is greatly abused , to another end then wherfore it was ordained of god , & that law and authority must needs be uniust which oppresseth or punisheth the exercise of a good conscience , as for evill doing , and this shews the blindness and ignorance of men in authority to whom the law is committed who discerns not , neither makes a difference betwixt things done in the fear of god , and in the excercise of a good conscience towards him , and things done out of an evill minde to evill intents , purposely and wilfully to wrong and iniury mens persons and estates ; for all magistrates ought to learne this and to distinguish , that their power and authority may iustifie the one , and condemn the other , that true iustice and sound iudgement , may spring forth in the earth , and in the nations , that all the upright and well doers may reioyce , and live in rest and peace , and all the workers of iniquity , and such as doe evill may be afraid , and fear to offend iust men and iust laws , and thus would the name of the lord be great in the earth among men ; and such a government renowned for ever , and such magistrates would be a praise to generations after them ; and a blessed example to ages to come ; but now some may say & obiect , how shall this be known , & who can tell and discern of such causes , and who it is that doth their works , out of the excercise of a good conscience , and who doth their deeds out of an evill minde & to an evill intent , and so is wrong dealing , & worthy of punishment , this is a doubtfull cause may some say , and difficult to be known and understood ; but to this i answer and say , to all such as have the spirit of the father , and are led thereby , and in their iudgement guided therewith ; this is an easy thing to discerne , and an easy matter to know and find out , and such as cannot discerne and distinguish in such matters , hath not the spirit of god , nor the spirit of true and sound iudgement , neither is indeed ordained of god , nor fit to iudge the people , nor the honour of a ruler and iudge , belongs not to such a one who cannot find out a matter , nor know and iudge between the precious and the vile ; how to iustifie the one and how to condemn the other ; and indeed this is the reason , and cause of so much iniustice and oppression brought forth at this day ; because the spirit of sound iudgement is wanting , and such as are set to iudge hath it not , to try and discern and give iudgement by it , and therefore , light is put for darkness , and darkness for light , and good is called evill and evill good , and true iustice and iudgement is perverted and turned backward , and the guiltless is condemned guilty . but i say , if the work be done by a man , out of a good conscience , and as a matter of conscience , then he doth it in the fear of god , and in the cross to his own will , and in meekness and tenderness of heart , not seeking himself in what he doth , but is willing to suffer for the truths sake , and for what he doth , and will not resist evill , or the false iudgements of men ; but patiently and quietly bears all things ; for the lords sake , and in all what he doth or suffers , he gives the glory to the lord , who works his works in him , and gives him strength and patience willing to suffer for them ; but againe i doe answer , by men that hath the spirit of sound iudgement to rule and guide them ; this cause is easy to be discerned , and the difference may be known , betwixt a thing done out of a good conscience , and for a good conscience sake , and a thing done out of an evill mind and purpose and to an evill end , to the wrong and iniury of another , for the ground from whence the works doe proceed , are contrary , and the spirit by which the works are wrought , are contrary , and the purpose and end to which they are wrought are contrary , and the spirit of god and of sound judgement , may and doth put a difference betwixt the ground , acting , and end of all works , for it is the ground from whence all works doth spring , and the end unto which they are brought forth , that makes all mens works good or evill , to be iustified or to be condemned , and where the measure of the spirit and power of god , is the ground of , and leader , in a work , that work as i have said , is done in the fear of god , and in uprightness of heart and in love and tenderness , and meekness and patience , without seeking or exalting self , but the glory of the lord is onely sought by that man in all such his works ; but on the contrary , where an evill heart and minde , brings forth works to an evill end , and to the wrong of others such works , are maliciously and wilfully , and enviously , and peevishly done , in frowardness , and headiness , and not in the fear of god nor in uprightness of heart ; but with a double minde and in secret , or without the counsell of god , seeking himself in his works , and not the lord , and such works are wicked , and wrought by wicked men who transgresseth both the law of god and of men ; and must receive according to their deeds ; and the law that is equall must pass upon them which the light of christ in their own consciences , may answer to , when they are condemned for their ungodly works ; against which light they act , and that is the reason and cause , wherefore their works are evill , and to be condemned by the law ; for who acteth according to the light of christ , and is led thereby , fulfilleth the law , or it is fulfilled in him ; and his works are wrought in god , and are the testimony unto men that he is of a good conscience , and for a good conscience sake his works are done , and such men and works are not to be condemned but iustified ; and this is for instruction to all them that bear rule , who are magistrates and governours , and iudges of the people , that they may now be wise and learne wisdome , how to iudge righteously and iustly among the people , that they may fulfill the will of god , in what he hath called them unto , even that they may cherish and defend and strengthen such as doe well , and all whose pure consciences are purely excercised , may live in peace and rest under such a government , and all evill doers may be bound , limited and iudged , and may stand in awe and be afraid , and thus iustice and true iudgement would be advanced , and equity would run down as a mighty streame ; and the nation would be blessed , and yeeld content and satisfaction to her inhabitants ; and hereby might the rulers and iudges gain unto themselves a good report , and an honour and renown would the lord crown them with all in generations to come . wherefore all ye rulers , and all ye that are set to iudge the people , be now awakened to iust iudgement , and to a sound discerning , and put on the spirit of true iudgement , even the spirit of the lord that you may receive it , to be taught in all things , how to walk with god , that you may answer his call , and the end of your authority , in judgeing justly all sorts of men , rendring to every man according to his deeds , even condemnation and judgment to evill doers , and a praise and defence , to all that doe well , and this is written in love to you all ; shewing you how to put a difference betwixt the precious and the vile , and between the just and unjust , that you may be the more happy if this you observe , not leaving your names a reproach and a scorne to after-ages , which is the effect , which doth follow , all such as perverts iustice , and turns true iudgement backward , with misery and destruction , upon themselves and posterity , for evermore ▪ a true and faithfull exposition of some part of the laws of england . all ye magistrates , iustices of the peace , mayors , and all other ministers of the law , and all ye to whomsoever the law is committed , i doe warne you all to take heed to your selves , that ye fulfill the will of the lord in iudgeing righteously , and executing true iustice and iudgement , and let not envy , nor false suspitions , nor iealousies have any place in you , but with a single eye try all things , and with an upright heart iudge for god , and not for man ; and beware of causing the innocent to suffer , whose consciences are exercised towards god , though they be contrary to the world in their ways , & iudgments , for if you cause such to suffer , you doe not execute true iudgement , but subverts the law , and the lord will require that suffering of his people at your hands . now consider the law was not made for a righteous man , but for transgressours , such whose consciences are not exercised towards god , and such your sword is to be laid upon , to be a terrour to them , and not to the innocent ; for they should have praise that doe well ; and you must take heed , least you abuse your power to another end , then wherefore god hath ordained it ; for the law was added because of transgression to slay the transgressour , and that is the end of the law ; now you must take heed of causing any to suffer upon bare suspition or evill iealousies , when as no transgression is truly charged , nor iustly proved against them before you , and you are not to be both accusers , and iudges of any one , in any cause . you have a late act for the taking up , and punishing of idle , loose , and dissolute persons , such as are vagrants , and wandering rogues , vagabonds , and sturdy beggars ; now this law is good , if it be duly and iustly executed upon such as are truly guilty herein ; and it is right that sturdy beggars , and rogues , and idle and disorderly persons , should be taken up from wandering , and set on work in some good imployment in the creation , which may maintain themselves , and prevent them from worse things ; but now you must take heed of iudging any to be such , who are not really so ; for many of the servants of the lord now , as it was in generations past , are moved to leave their own country and dwellings , and relations , and goe abroad in the nations to preach the gospell of christ ; and to bear witness of his name in the world , to the turning of people from the ways of sin and death , to the way of righteousness and truth ; and it may be such cannot give you an account or sufficient cause of their travelling abroad ( so as to satisfie you ) for that is lawfull in the sight of god , which you may not iudge to be so ; for gods ways are not mans ways ; neither his thoughts ; as mans thoughts ; therefore i say unto you ; if you cause any such of the servants of the lord to suffer by that law ; you abuse your power ; and subverts the law ; for such are not vagabonds , nor idle dissolute persons , nor rogues , nor sturdy beggars ; no more than christ was ; who had no where to lay his head ; and the prophets and apostles were , some of which had no certain dwelling place , but left their countries and relations , and wandred up and down the world from town to town ; and from one country to another , even as the servants of the lord doth by the same spirit at this day , who can no more be truly judged for vagabonds and rogues , &c. than christ and his apostles could be , who were a perfect example to us in these things ; for it is a lawfull occasion in the sight of god , whatever you judge of it , to travell up and down ( not being burthensome , or chargeable to any ) to bear witness for the name of the lord , and against all sin and iniquity , that people may be reformed , and instructed in the right way ; therefore you must make a speciall distinction in your iudgements between such as are rogues , and idle and dissolute persons , who are hurtfull to the creation , and such as are innocent and harmeless , and not of evill behaviour , ( though you may through preiudice otherwise iudge of them ) this is to informe you herein , that your iudgements may be according to god , and not according to man , neither with respect of persons . also you have another late act for the observation of the lords day , wherein is inserted that none shall wilfully , maliciously , or of purpose disturbe , or disquiet the publick preacher , or to make any publick disturbance in the congregations ; now the law is good , and it is right that all such be punished , who doth maliciously , wilfully , or of an evill purpose disturbe , or disquiet any man or people , to the danger of breach of publick peace , and let all such be punished according to their desert ; but yet you must take heed in this cause , for many of the servants of the lord are , and may be moved by the power of the lord to come into a congregation , or an assembly of people to declare against sin and iniquity , and the ways of wickedness in people , or to aske a question soberly of the teacher , or to instruct people to edification in the way of the lord , or such like may they do , as they are moved , and yet not maliciously , nor wilfully , nor of wicked purpose ; for it was the apostles practise , and the practise of the saints to goe in the synagogues and meeting places , and to dispute with the teachers on the sabbath days , and sometimes they spoke to the people by way of exhortation , and the people bid them speak on ; and yet these were not disturbers of the assembly , neither were they malicious men , or wilfull , neither did they these things to any evil purpose , and it was the practise of the saints , that all may speak one by one in the church , when they were assembled together ; and this is the practise of the servants of the lord now , and yet they cannot justly be condemned by your law , though they come into your assembly , as they are moved of the lord , to object or reprove , or exhort , for they doe it not in malice towards any , but in love towards all , and they can no more justly be condemned than the apostles , and saints in the primitive times , who were unto us a just example in these practises , as you may read in the scripture ; and you may as justly condemn them , as us , who are guided by the same spirit in the same things ; therefore you have need to take heed of condemning the innocent by a law , least you bring innocent blood upon you ; and you must make a perfect difference between such as comes among you , wilfully and maliciously , and on evill purpose to disturbe , and molest any man , or congregation , and such who comes in the name and fear of the lord , who are moved of him contrary to their own wills , and in love to all people ; and in these causes you have need of discerning and sound judgement , least you condemn the guiltless , and abuse your power , and subvert the law , and so bring condemnation upon your selves ; and as you will answer it before the lord in his dreadfull day ; cause not any to suffer through your envy , and surmizings or false suspition , through over-reaching the words of the law to a wrong sense , and to a wrong end . also it is inserted in the same act against many evill things , as drinking in taverns , innes , ale-houses , strong-water houses , or to tipple unnecessarily , or any other house , &c ▪ and also against travelling , and walking on that day vainly and prophanely , &c. now the law is good that evill exercise be prevented , and prophaneness in every respect on that day , and on every day , and that such be punished that are found in any evill exercise whatsoever ; but yet you must take heed that none of the innocent suffer hereby ; for many of the people of god may , and doth travell on that day to meet together to worship god , and to waite upon him , to find his presence , and to receive of his refreshments to their souls , but this cannot be judged an evill practise , or prophane travelling , or breach of the sabbath ; for we read of a sabbath days iourney , acts 1. & 12. where some of the servants of the lord returned from ierusalem to mount olivet , which is a sabbath dayes iourny , so that such , who now travels to waite upon the lord on that day , though it be severall miles to , and from the place of meeting , cannot iustly be iudged to be sabbath-breakers , no more than the apostles , who travelled a sabbath days iourney in obedience to the lord to waite upon him ; so that you must take heed ▪ and make a noted distinction betwixt such who travels on a profane , and an evill exercise ▪ or about the affairs of this world , and such who travels on a good exercise to waite upon the lord and to serve him ; for the law it self excepts such from being taken up , or iudged sabbath-breakers ; so take heed that you subvert not the law , and abuse your power through false iudgement , through your own envy , and so you smite the guiltless , and brings destruction upon your selves ; for herein we own the law of god to walk by , and the apostles for an example , though we may suffer uniustly by you . also there is a late act for discovering and repressing of popish recusants , by presenting , to such as are suspected to be popish , or popishly affected , an oath , as is therein described ; to renounce the popes authority , and to deny all his doctrines , and to testifie against the authority of the church of rome , and against any licence given thereby , to bear arms or raise tumults , or by violence to hurt the chief magistrate , or government of these nations , &c. and such as denyes the taking of that oath are to be adiudged popish recusants , and to be proceeded against accordingly ; now that law is good that such , who are adherent to the pope , and by his authority would raise armies and tumults , and offer violence to the hurt of the chief magistrate , or government , or people of these nations , &c. as it is signified in the said oath , should be discovered and repressed ; but yet you must take heed , and waite for sound iudgement in the prosecution of the same : for all are not to be condemned that cannot swear or take an oath ; for many of the servants of the lord , who are followers of christ , cannot swear for conscience sake , because christ hath commanded not to swear at all , though such doth deny the pope and all his authority and doctrines , and whatsoever else is signified in that oath , who cannot iustly be suspected to be any way adherent to the pope in doctrines or practises , except through wicked envy you seek occasion against them thereby , and you abuse your power and subverts the law , if you iudge such to be popish recucusants , because they will not swear , because they cannot for conscience sake , but walks in christs doctrine , who commanded not to swear , and follows the apostles example , who said above all things my brethren swear not at all , and such cannot iustly be suspected or iudged for popish recusants ; who are followers of christ , and keeps his commands ; therefore you must be considerate , and search deep into those things that are thus weighty , least you cause the guiltless to suffer , and thereby vex the lord against your selves ; and you must make a speciall difference betwixt such as will not swear because they are guilty , and such as cannot swear for conscience sake , though they are not guilty , but clear , and free in the sight of the lord of such things , as may be falsly suspected , and charged against them by envious men , which may watch for evill , and give informations against the people of god unto you ; but let your eye be single in all these things , that you may save your selves from wrath , and condemnation , which will be a reward of all such , who subverts good laws to a wrong end , and seeks to cover themselves in their persecution of the innocent by making the law a cloak , but such coverings will not hide in the day of the lord . and my friends in the execution of these and other laws , let the fear of god guide you , and true judgement and found discerning , that you may try into the nature and ground of every thing , and may not judge onely by outward appearance , but judge righteous iudgement ; and this is a great transgression in the sight of the lord at this day , even the false execution of good laws , and the subversion of them to wrong ends and uses by some wicked men , who are in authority , to whom the law is committed : and this we know by experience ; be the law never so iust and good , yet if the executioners of the law be uniust and unrighteous , true iustice and iudgement is turned backward , and for want thereof the harmless , and innocent daily suffers , which kindleth and increaseth the fierce anger of the lord against these nations . and likewise all you that are in power and authority , you ought not to command any thing of any man , which the law gives you no power to command , for doing so , you make your selves transgressours , as for instance , you have no power by any law to command men to put off their hats , when they come before you , neither by any law can you iustly punish them , if they doe it not , neither can you iustly punish such by any law , who denies to swear because for conscience sake they cannot ; but what hath been inflicted upon some in such cases hath been by will and malice , and not by any law , and the lord doth account such thing against the wicked , who causeth such sufferings ; and of these things i have given you warning , and it is in perfect love unto you all , as to informe you truly , least you cause the innocent to suffer . i am a reall friend to the common-wealth , and a lover of justice and true judgement , and fully affected towards just government , and wisheth well to magistrates . e. b. ninth moneth , 1657. the end . satans designs defeated ... burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30539 of text r14163 in the english short title catalog (wing b6022). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 45 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 11 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30539 wing b6022 estc r14163 12033781 ocm 12033781 52845 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30539) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 52845) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 861:20) satans designs defeated ... burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 20 p. printed for thomas simmons ..., london : 1659. reproduction of original in huntington library. attributed to edward burrough. cf. bm. eng society of friends -doctrines. a30539 r14163 (wing b6022). civilwar no satans designe defeated· in a short answer to a manuscript sent by a priest out of sussex, to a member of this present parliament, full of r burrough, edward 1659 9049 9 0 0 0 0 0 10 c the rate of 10 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the c category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 spi global keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-03 mona logarbo sampled and proofread 2004-03 mona logarbo text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion satans designe defeated . in a short answer to a manuscript sent by a priest out of sussex , to a member of this present parliament , full of railing accusations , whereby he hath secretly smitten the innocent , by a secret desiring the persecution of the people of god . but herein his folly and madnesse doth appear , that 〈…〉 he hath accused others falsely , himself is found guilty of the same thing . with invitations of love to the present authority , that ●●●y may save themselves from being the executioners of the priests malice , least the lord destroy them . by a friend to righteousnesse , e.b. london , 〈…〉 thomas simmons , at the bull and mouth neer aldersgate , 1659. a certain paper being come to my hand ( which is said to be written by one priest iackson , and sent to a member of parliament ) containing divers particulars charged as errors upon the despised peopl● called quakers , wherein he saith he hath set down some of their tenents which they maintain ; unto which manuscript i am moved to write something in answer , as to clear the truth from his fowl aspertions which he casts upon it , to the intent that the said member of parliament , and the whole house may be the better satisfied and resolved ; wherein they doubt of every particular , that the truth may appear , when as the fowl vail of the darknesse and slanders is removed . that the holy scriptures are not the word of god , nor the saints rule of faith and life , neither is it the duty of every one to search them . answ. the holy scriptures that were given forth by the spirit of the lord , as holy men of god were moved , they are the words of god , and a declaration and a treatise , luke 1.1 . and that which the saints had handled and tasted of the word of life , that they declared forth in words and writing , acts 1.1 . and the scriptures as they were given forth by the spirit of god , are a true declaration of what is to be believed and practised in relation to eternal salvation , it is a true testimony concerning god and his mighty works , and of truth and righteousnesse , and it is a testimony also of the devil and what he is , and of his deceits and errors , and unrighteousnesse , so the scriptures are words given forth by the spirit , but christ is the word that was before the scriptures was , for in the beginning was the word of god , and the world was made by it , and the word shall endure for ever , and christs name is called the word of god , and though the scriptures are profitable and were given forth to be read , and to be fulfilled , yet they are not the rule and guide of faith and life unto the saints , but the spirit of god that gave forth the scriptures , that is the rule , and guide , the teacher and leader into all truth , and them that are led by the spirit of god , are the sons of god , and if you walk in the spirit saith the apostle , you shall live , and as many as walk according to this ( to wit of the spirit ) peace is upon them , and so the spirit of god is the rule of the saints faith and life ; and the spirit leads them to walk in the fulfilling of the scriptures , and according to them . and as for all the priests in england who doth professe the scriptures to be their rule , out of their own mouths will god judge them , who are found walking contrary to the scriptures in life , and doctrine , and practises , while they cry it up for their rule , and condemn all that will not say as they say . and the last part of this proposition is utterly false , for we never do assert that it is not the duty of every one to search them , but we bid every one search the scriptures and every one ought to search them , but yet we say that none understands them , but who have the spirit that gave them forth , nor none can profit thereby , but by the spirit that gave them forth , which workes the same truth in the heart , which the scriptures without declares of , and this i do affirm , they are the words of god , and the spirit of god is the rule of faith and life to the saints , and all men ought to search the scriptures , and to believe what is therein written , and to receive and enjoy christ who is the substance and the end of all things , the first and last , the beginning and ending , and in him the scriptures are fulfilled , and finished . they do deny the doctrine of the trinity , and that christ is god and man in one person . answ. as for the word trinity , it is invented , and he hath learn't it out of the masse-book , or common prayer book , but we own the doctrine of the gospel of christ , that christ is god , and the spirit is god ; and there are three that bear record , the father , son and spirit , and these are one , but god and the spirit are not persons , but infinite beings , and the scripture no where in true translations expresseth god under the name person , for person is too carnal to expresse god and christ , and the spirit by , but god was in christ reconciling the world , and this we believe and acknowlelge according to the scriptures ; but for this word doctrine of the trinity , the scriptures knowes no such word , but the truth we own , and the gospel and the scriptures too . they hold that iesus christ died onely signally or exemplarily , and that we are justified by the suffering of christ in us , and to be healed by his stripes is to be stripped of or from sin . answ. jesus christ died , and rose again , and ascended according to the scriptures , this we do believe ; and christ was and is the substance , the end of all signes and examples , yet was he an example to the saints ; and the apostle exhorted to walk as they had christ for an example ; and while he was in the world he did and spoke and acted many things as parables , signes and examples , the substance of which is to be received in the saints , and known by them through the spirit , and we believe saints are justified by the christ , and through faith in him which was and is , & is to come , who is blessed for ever , and none are justified by his death and suffering and blood without them , but who witnesseth christ within them , for all are reprobates , and to be condemned and cannot be justified that hath not christ in them , as thou mayest read , ( except christ be in you , you are reprobates ) and all that believe in christ and receives him they are healed through his sufferings and stripes , for he sanctifies them , and gives remission of sin and justifies them , and in him the saints are compleat , and the new man ( the regenerate ) is justified , and the old man is in the degeneration , and knowes not christ in him , and hath not received him , but onely heard of him without him , and believes the relation ; but this faith doth not justifie , for all the false christians upon earth hath this faith ; but that faith alone justifies which gives to receive christ , and him to live in us , and to dwell in us by that faith . they utterly renounce the doctrine of justification by the imputation of the righteousnesse of christ , or by the obedience he performed , or sufferings he sustained or underwent in his own person without us . answer , this is partly true , and partly a lie ; we do indeed renounce the profession of justification by the imputation of christ or his righteousnesse performed without men , by men while they are in the degenerated estate , and unconverted , and unreconciled , and unborn again ; for by such profession of justification many deceive their souls ; but yet we say , that righteousnesse is imputed to us , and reckoned unto us who believe in christ and have received him , even the obedience and sufferings that he performed without us is ours who have received him within us , and witnesseth christ in us , and therefore we are not reprobates ; yet we do acknowledge he wrought perfect righteousnesse by obedience and suffering without us , and that righteousnesse is ours by faith , which faith hath received christ to dwell in us , and he and his righteousnesse , his obedience and sufferings we enjoy in us in spirit , if any can receive it let them , for that he wrought righteousnesse this is acknowledged , but who hath a part in this righteousnesse , that is disputable . they wholly renounce the doctrine of election and reprobation , and it is one of the great reasons for which they decry the ministers because they assert it ; they say jacob and esau are in a man , and the good seed is jacob which god electeth , and the bad seed is esau which he reprobates . answ. the doctrine of election and reprobation we do own according to the scriptures , and therefore hast thou belied us and slandered us , and art found reproveable , and would incense mens minds against us for advantage to thy self , but to some in that house we are better known then thou canst report of us ; and yet thou sayest we say that iacob and esau are in a man , and the good seed god electeth , and the bad he reprobates , and thou mayest here see thy confusion and thy ignorance uttered in the self same lines ; for thou sayest we renounce the doctrine of election and reprobation , and yet sayest we say the good seed god electeth , and the bad seed he reprobateth ; and this shewes what spirit thou art of , and how that the spirit of unrighteousnesse doth possess thee , and leads thee to speak without understanding ; and we further say , man being degenerated , became reprobated and cast out , and all by nature are the children of wrath , and the children of wrath are all in the reprobate state , and none are elected but who are elected in christ the seed of david , and so in the first adam all are reprobated , and all that are in the second adam are elected ; and the election and reprobation stands not in the persons but in the seeds , and yet the persons are blessed or cursed , in the love or in the displeasure of god , according as the seed of god , or the seed of the serpent lives and dwels and bears rule in the persons ; and we do indeed decry and deny you the professed ministers , upon many accounts more then one , and we have already , and may in time to come shew sufficient reasons against you , both in doctrine and practise and otherwayes , that you are not the ministers of christ , but the ministers of satan generally . that iesus christ as he is the seed of the woman and the seed of abraham is in every one , and that a measure or part of the substance that was conceived in the womb of the virgin mary , is in every one . answ. jesus christ he is the seed of the woman , and the seed of abraham according to the flesh , and after the spirit the son of the living god , and this christ that was , and is , and is to come , who was dead but is alive , and lives for evermore , the alone saviour of the world , he hath given a measure of light and life unto every man , and there is a light from him that shines in the hearts of all men , shining in darknesse ; the light shines , but the darknesse comprehends it not , and this was iohns testimony , and is our testimony that christ enlighteneth every man , or all mankind that cometh into the world , for in him was life , and the life was the light of men , as the scripture saith ; and the apostle preached the light that shined in peoples hearts , and it was that light that gave them the light of the knowledge of the glory of god ; but thou hast discovered thy self to be a stumbler at the stumbling-stone , and hath taken offence at the light , like the pharisees who professed the scriptures as the priests of england do , but were ignorant of the life , the end of the words , and knew not christ the substance ; but the stone at which you stumble will break you to pieces , and grind you to powder , even christ the light of the world , that lighteth every man that cometh into the world . that the soul is a part or measure of god ( as they speak ) and not a part of man but uncreated ; and so is that light which is in every one . ans. the soul is immortal , and god is immortal , for god breathed into man the breath of life , and he became a living soul ( as saith the scripture ) and the soul is related to god , for what a man works against god , it is against his own soul ; for all sin is against god , and against a mans own soul ; and god who hath all souls in his hand , who is the creator , and gave life into the soul that is immortal and can never die , though death hath passed over it , and hath reigned over all from adam till moses ; and christ is the light of the world that gives life unto the soul , and he raiseth up the soul out of death , and misery , and brings the soul to rejoyce in god its saviour ; and christ is the souls bishop , its pastor , and feeder , and who knowes christ knowes him that was before the world was made ; and sees to the beginning , and to the ending , and his soul rests in god that is over all . that the light in the heathens , who never heard that iesus christ died at ierusalem is the same for the quality of it , with that which is in the most godly person ; onely there is a difference in the quantitie ; and men are reconciled to god by following of it , this light they say is the sure word of prophesie , and that it is sufficient to lead out of all sin unto god . an. the testimony of iohn is , that christ is the light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world , and if every man , then the heathen , who hath not the relation of christs life , and his death at jerusalem , yea and it is the same light that is in the heathen , the same in nature and kind , as it is in the saints , for the comforter the spirit of truth is one in it self and the same ; though it comforteth the saints , and reproveth the world , and the wicked for their sins ; and men are reconciled to god by christ , for he was in god reconciling to himself ; and none are reconciled but who walk in the light , and followes it , for who walkes in the light , the blood of christ cleanseth them from all sin ; and they are reconciled , and none else ; and the word of god is in the heart as the scripture saith , deut. 30. rom. 10. and that is the word of prophesie , and that word is sufficient to lead out of all sin unto god , if men believe in jesus and receiveth him , and the spirit of truth leadeth into all truth , all that follow it . that christ as man is not in heaven , yea that he hath ceased to be man and consequently to be mediator , and when i told them he should come in the clouds in like manner as he ascended , and that at his coming the elements melteth one of their teachers told me that the clouds were scattered and the elements melted in him . ans. christ jesus is ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of the father , yea he is ascended far above all heavens , as saith the scripture , but that is utterly false whereas thou saist , we say he ceased to be man , that is thy lie , and so i passe it ; and we believe according to the scriptures that he shall come in the clouds in like manner as he ascended , and at his coming the elements shall melt ; and it is not error for a man to say the clouds were scattered and the elements melted in him ; for clouds are darkness and covers the face of the sun many times as thou mayest behold in the firmament ; but darkness is yet over thy heart , and the elements are not melted away ; and therefore thou art in thy imaginations , putting light for darkness and darkness for light , and calling evil good and good evil . that the bodies of men shall never rise again after death , and that the day of iudgement is come already , and that now the saints do iudge the world . ans. we do believe the resurrection according to the scriptures , for if onely in this life we have hope , we were of all men most miserable ; and we believe that the dead shall arise again after death , and every one shall receive according to the deeds done in the body , they that have done evil shall arise to eternal condemnation , and they that have done good unto eternal salvation in the day of judgement ; and the lord cometh with , and in ten thousand of his saints to judge the world , and the saints upon earth do receive the spirit of judgement , and do judge the world , even all things , for the spiritual man judgeth all things , even in this present age , if thou canst receive it thou mayest . they are utterly against water baptisme and administering of the lords supper with bread and wine , because they say they have the substance of all within . ans. as for baptisme and the supper of the lord we do own it , and it is practised of us in the life and power of god , but as for your baptisme , that is to say sprinkling of infants , calling it the baptisme into the faith , and that they are made members of the church thereby , and that it is a seal of regeneration as you say in your common-prayer book , and directory , that we do utterly deny , and doth say it is no ordinance of god , neither was ever commanded by him , or practiced by his saints , but is an institution of the whore of rome , and england received it by a popish institution , and your practice of it is idolatry , and not any part of the true worship of god ; and as for your breaking bread and drinking wine in that manner and form as it is practiced in the church of england among the unconverted and unregenerated , that we utterly deny also to be of god , or to be ever commanded of him or practiced by his saints , and this is neither heresie nor error in us , but true bearing witness against your idolatrous wayes and practices , with which the nations are deceived , whom the whore causeth to drink her cup ; even all people hath drunk her cup , and she hath drunk the blood of them that would not ; and she hath long sate upon nations , peoples , and multitudes , but now she is made bare and discovered , and all you her false ministers ; and whereas the author doth say these are some of the strange and horrid opinions which they have audatiously invented , &c. answ. it is no strange thing that truth be called heresie and error ; and that it be branded with a name of strange and horrid opinions , and such like , but we do acknowledge that in that way that is called heresie do we worship the true and living god , and wo will be unto them that put light for darkness , and darkness for light , but when these particular things and their answers are truely read and weighed , then let spiritual men judge , for this author must not be judge in his own case , whose judgement is corrupted and his wayes abomination ; and it hath been the work of that generation ( of those called ministers i mean ) for this seven years to cry out to the magistrates and to send one paper after another of this nature to them , but what hath it advantaged them ? for hath not the lord turned their wisdom backward ? and even the way which they have thought to destroy the heritage of the lord , the lord hereby hath made his heritage more glorious , and so they have striven against the lord , and altogether in vain , and their doings shall they eat the fruit of , and receive the reward of their own work . and whereas the author further saith , such as hath saving work in their souls , and that knowes god and christ , &c. can not but bless god for keeping them from the great blackness and darkness that hath invaded the souls of these deluded wretches . answ. they that know the saving work in their souls , and that knowes god and christ in truth and righteousness , and that calleth upon him with an upright heart we are one with them , and they with us ; and they alone that walkes in the light that christ hath enlighted them withall , are kept from the darkness that doth invade the deluded ; and as for thy envious reflection , as poor deluded wretches , and such like , these words are to thy self for they have no entrance into our dwellings , the lord hath saved us by his right hand ▪ & we bear them as his reproaches for righteousness sake . and whereas thou sayest it is very sad that after so much preaching of the gospel so many should take those things for new lights , which are but antiquated errors , &c. ans. it is very sad indeed that the ministers of this nation should have so fair a profession upon them , and should put the nation to so much charge by giving them tythes and stipends and mony , and hath spoiled peoples goods , and cast their bodies into prisons even of many hundreds that would not pay them ; and yet the nation should be left in darkness , and like a untilled wilderness , notwithstanding all the profession of preaching the gospel , for the nation hath been like an untilled field , and like people like priest , like shepherd like sheep , as it is especially amongst them where shepherds and sheep are risen in rebellion against the nation , and hath joyned with the old caveliers , but this shewes that your preaching hath been for ends to your selves and for mony , and that you have been ministers of the letter , and not of the spirit nor of the power of god , for had you been in the life and preachers of the true gospel , the nations had been as a garden at this day , and not like an unploughed field , as we see they are , people abounding in ungodliness and in all pride , and vanity which is a shame to christianity ; now people and ministers hath made a shew of the gospel , but hath been without the power in the form of godliness , and have had the form but resisted the power ; and indeed the ignorance of the people will lie upon their ministers who hath been crying peace to them that have walked after the imaginations of their own hearts , and hath not turned the wicked from his wicked way , and the scriptures are fulfilled upon them , they have run but god hath not sent them , therefore the people hath not at all been profited by them ; but the light of the glorious gospel is risen in mens hearts , and your folly and vanity is discovered , and that makes you rage and swell like a foaming sea ; now when your shame is seen you are casting out slanders and reproaches , thinking thereby to seduce the minds of people , thinking alwayes to keep the magistrates on your side and to ride upon them ; and that they will establish you in freedom and destroy them that are against you ; but the lord is opening their eyes to behold your deceit and madness ; and you will be left unto your selves , and fall into the pit that you have digged for others . and whereas this author doth further compare this poor people which he in scorn calls quakers with several pestilent hereticks as he calls them , that have disturbed the church , and saith he , they agree with the adamites , and pharisees , and sadduces , and with the mannachies with the jewes , turkes , servebus , and with the soscinians and many more which he names , and saith we agree with them , and this is to render us odious and as abominable as he can to men in authority : to all which i do answer , what we do profess and practise for religion , we have not been learnt from man nor been taught it by men ; not our gospel nor religion , but we have received it from the lord , and of him are we taught , and by the spirit lead into all truth , and though thou hast done as the pharisees did ; they reckoned christ with transgressors , and crucified him betwixt two thieves , so though thou hast compared us with such and such ; whom thou callest hereticks and it is possible many of them might be so , and so thou hast shewed the spirit of the pharisees , and of the murtherers that denyed christ , and we are known unto the lord what we are , though not unto mortal mans wisdom that perisheth ; and to whom shall we more truely compare the ministers of england ? are they not like those which isaiah cryed against , that sought for their gain from their quarter , that were greedy dumb dogs ? and like them that ieremiah cryed against that said , thus saith the lord when the lord , had never spoken to them , nor sent them ? and are not you all like them that micah cryed against chap. 3. that preached for hire and divined for mony , and that prepared war against those that would not put into their mouthes , as you do at this day ? and are not you like them that ezekiel cryed against that made a prey upon the flock , and made merchandize of souls and fed themselves with the fat , and did not feed the flock , but ruled over them with force and cruelty ? and are you not like such as christ cryed wo against that were called of men master , that went in long robes and love greeting in the markets , and uppermost roomes at feasts ? for you act those things which christ cryed wo against , the pharisees who did the same things ; and are not you like them that paul spoke of , that are headdy and high minded men , and covetous and proud , and went in the way of baalam for gifts and rewards , and that through coveteousness with fained words made merchandize of souls ? and are not you like them that iohn saw was coming in , in his dayes , that went out from them , and that went into the world , that were of the world , and spoke of the world , and the world heard them , and which the world went after ? and are not you of them that hath deceived the whole world , that hath been of the whore that causeth all nations to drink her cup , and of them that hath made war against the saints and against the lamb , of that stock of the false prophets that wrought miracles in the sight of the beast , and the world wonders after the beast ? and the beast hath carried the whore , and he hath compelled and caused all to worship him , and the whore caused all to drink of the cup of her fornication ? are not these things so ? may not the witness of god in all mens consciences truely answer hereunto , and condemn you to be such as were the false prophets and the hirelings and the deceivers , against whom the prophets , christ and the apostles gave witness ; yea it is manifest that you are in the same way , and of the same generation , and that you follow the same spirit , because you shew forth the same works ? and are not you like the papist , and the jesuites , was it not by the authority of the pope of rome that your very way of making ministers was ordained at schools and colledges ? and were it not the papists and in their dayes that the general part of your church discipline and government , the call of your ministers , and practice of them , and maintenance of them , was it not first set up by the papists ? was not this way of tythes first established by the church of rome ? and do you not follow the papists herein in receiving tythes & gleab lands , and easter reckonings and midsumer dues , which you hold up , and would destroy them that will not give you such things ; and therefore are not you like unto the papists and jesuites ? yea we know that the church of england is but newly come out of the womb of popery , and hath the symtomes thereof upon her at this very day in many things ; yea , the testimony of god in all people may witnes hereunto , and so it is the very trick of the whore to cry out against others and to charge others with that wch she is guilty of her self ; but now it will not cover them to slander others that themselves may seem clear ; for the lord is opening peoples hearts and giving them a spirit to discern all things . and whereas the author speaks against the quakers for crying against cuffs , caps , and for using thee , and thou , and for crying against pulpits and hour glasses and such things , and for owning revelation , and for holding the free grace of god to be given unto all , and because of trembling and quaking , and saying our writtings are given out by the same infallible spirit that the scriptures were given out by , and for crying down the ministers maintenance , and for calling some of them vipers and serpents . to all this i answer , it is your generation that makes a great noise about thee and thou , and cuffs and caps , for we in plainness and simplicity do speak the proper language , thee , and thou to a single person , and it is the proud and exalted minds of men that are offended hereat , which pride and arogancie hath eaten out the sincerity , and the very propriety of speech also , and you are offended at us because of it , and for crying against your cuffs and boot-hose-tops & ribbands and points ; we cry against all these things as not becoming the ministers of christ , but as being of the world in the pride and vanity and superfluity , abusing the creation , which the lord will judge among you ; and as for having an hour-glasse and preaching thereby , and as for your carnal bells which you call people by , we do disown these things , and say they are old popish inventions , for the ministers of christ never limited their spirits to an hour-glasse , neither had they a carnal bell to call people to their worship ; and as for revelation , we do own that the spirit of god doth reveal truth to us , and god hath revealed christ in us , and none ever shall know god but by revelation ; for none knowes the father but the son , and he to whom the son will reveal him ; and as for free grace , we say the grace of god hath appeared to all men , and it teacheth the saints to deny ungodliness ; but the wicked turns it into wantonness , and doth dispite unto the spirit of grace ; and we also say , that who now speakes or are moved to write forth by the spirit of god , they speak and write by the same spirit that is infalliable that the scriptures was given forth by ; and as for your maintenance , it is altogether abominable and oppression to the nation , and the lord is against it , your taking peoples goods and casting them into prison that will not pay you wages , and give you tythes against their consciences ; and be not offended at being called vipers and serpents , for these are the works of venemous vipers and stinging serpents which pesecute the servants of god , and cryes to the magistrates for help against a poor people that useth no weapons against you , saving that of the spirit of god , and though we do thus to you , to the false ministers ; to cry against them , and give our witness against them in the name of the lord , yet we do not deny the true ministers of christ , nor speak any thing against them which are the true ministers that hath received the ministry of righteousness by the gift of the holy spirit , which all that are true ministers doth receive their ministry thereby . and whereas thou sayest we are bitter enemies to the doctrine of iustification , and agrees with the cavelierish party , and would silence godly ministers , and are iesuitical , and such like things thou falsly chargeth upon us , and that we have a notable faculty to delude ignorant unstable souls , &c. ans. these are but the authors reproaches and his slanders he hath filled his mouth with against the innocent ; and he hath set his tongue on the fire of hell , to slander the just and the innocent ; and all these things we bear in patience , counting reproaches for christ our chiefest riches and thus to the substance of this paper i have given answer , whereby all that love the lord , and desire to be informed in the truth may receive satisfaction ; for it is seen that that generation of priests are joyned with the prelatical cavelierish party , and this is known at large in the nation in the north especially , and so as i said they would fain slander others that themselves might seem clear ; but the lord will rebuke him and his lying tongue , and the innocent shall be delivered from his devouring lips ; and as for any other thing in his paper it is not worth answering to , nor worth minding , but his wickednes will turn upon his own head and he shall bear the burthen of his own words , only he queries whether this be not the pestilence that walks in darkness ? and the flouds that the dragon hath cast out of his mouth to drown the woman ? is not this the mark of the beast who opened his mouth in blasphemy ? and are not these the unclean spirits that came out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the false prophet ? ans. now the pestilence that walkes in darkness , is the plague that is out of the light , sin and death and misery , which smites the ungodly , and he sees it not ; and the flood which the dragon cast out is the flouds of persecution and cruelty , ( viz ) the imprisoning until death , and spoiling peoples goods for tythes and mony , as the priests have done ; and the dragon gave power to the beast that compelled all to worship , and that carried the whore , the false church , and the true church hath been fled into the wilderness for many generations , and the false church ( the whore ) hath sate as a queen , and given her cup to drink , the false church of rome , and the false church of the protestants , all which are of the whore , these have all been carried by the beast which the dragon gave his power to . and they have all persecuted the woman , the true church , and the mark of the beast he compelled people to receive , and compelled them to worship , and they opened their mouths in blasphemy , that denies christ , and denies the light , and that sayes they are iewes and are not , this is error and blasphemy which the beast opens his mouth in against the saints , and against them that dwell in heaven , and the unclean spirits are the spirits of devils that are out of the truth , and these the dragon cast out in slanders , and reproaches , and lies , such as this author hath done , and of that generation is he . christ said false prophets should come , and iohn saw in his dayes they were come , and he saw the world gone after them , and of that generation are you , and now the lord is gathering people from you again , and babylon must fall , and all her merchants howl and weep , and these things have been which the scripture speaks of , and the woman is now coming out of the wilderness again , and the whore must be rewarded , and sorrow is coming upon her , and as she hath done unto the saints , so shall the saints do unto her . and in the conclusion he saith ; worthy sir , ( to this member of parliament ) it will be your honour to stand in the gap to stop the violence of this hellish torrent that is so high that it sounds from dan to beersheba , and threatens iudgement to our israel , &c. ans. here is the conclusion of thy matter , which is the sum of it , a running to the powers of the earth for help ; what , have you ministers lost the lord to be your strength , that you must flie for help to men to defend you from the spirit of god in his people ? must they make lawes to establish you and set you up ? is not this the whore that road upon the beast , and that the beast carries ? is not here a description of her out of the mouth of this author ? is he crying to you to persecute the innocent ? it is true , the seed of god is risen ▪ the elect seed that is able to make war against the beast and against the false prophets , even with the word of the lord , and is he offended that truth is risen so high ? and would he have some fire and faggots again in smith-field ? and some persecution and banishment acted upon the people of god ? is this the standing in the gap and stopping violence , or would he have it done this way ? yea , judgements indeed are threatened to your generation ; for if god will not destroy you soon enough , you will destroy your own selves , and your own iniquity will be upon you , and the wickedness of the wicked shall slay him . but my councel is not onely to that particular member , but to the whole body of them , that they be wise and take heed what they do , for the eye of the lord is over you , and his hand can dash you in pieces , and if you be oppressors of the people of god , and will not relieve the oppressed , the innocent , and break the bonds of oppression , the lord will break you in pieces ; for this is the rock that hath broken all before you , persecuting people for conscience sake , and if you go in this way , your destruction shall be the most lamentable of any that was ever yet before you ; do you not yet see the wickedness of this generation ? will you yet contend for them ? surely you might learn wisdome even by their folly , and if you do not shut your eyes , there needs no more discovery then their own present wayes and works . wherefore consider the day of gods visitation is upon you , make good use of your time least the lord break you down and never build you up , and let the spirit of the lord have its liberty and limit it not , for if you do you shall never prosper , nor never be made a blessing unto the people under your charge . remember you are warned by a lover of your souls . and friends , great things hath the lord done in these nations in your dayes , and that by the face of your authority ; and there hath a spirit stirred in some of you & in the army , which the lord hath appeared with , and yet the work of the lord is not finished ; but greater things then these hath the lord to accomplish amongst us and in this nation , and these things that have come to pass , have been but as the preparing of the way , for the bringing about greater things ; it is true , many mountains have been removed , and some oppressions taken off , and excellent things have been promised , and doubtless ( by some of you ) really intended ; but alas ! the work hath long remained unfinished , and many of your best friends are almost weary with waiting , to receive the end of their hopes and desires ; and many are even fainting concerning the good old cause , though of late it hath seemed to be revived by you , yet it goes but easily forwards , and even so little is its growth since your late meeting , that many are thinking themselves to be in a deceived condition by you ; why ? they see that wicked clergies interest more prospering then the just freedom of the people . and this i say unto you in the name of the lord , that while that interest ( of this false priesthood i mean ) is so much favoured and defended , you can never prosper , nor the nations be ever happy under you ; for it is one of the greatest oppressions this day in the nation , the maintaining and upholding of this ministry by tithes & other unrighteous wages , and the very land groans under the oppression of this church and ministry , which lyes as a heavy burthen upon both persons , and estates , and consciences of many good people , even of your dearest friends , and though the lord doth manifestly ( even from heaven ) shew signal tokens of his displeasure against them , and the servants of the lord , they also cease not to warn you concerning them , and their own doings are sufficient testimony of the malice of their hearts against you and all good men in the nation , yet nevertheless some of you seem to shut your eyes , and as if you would see no evil in them , but are crying up your godly ministers ; & some of you utterly despising the man ( as not worthy to live ) that doth but speak against them ; and thus are you blinded , and perceives not where the cause lyes of your interruption to bring forth righteousness . i say , it is the favouring of that interest which stops the issues of good things , and while you oppress peoples persons & estates , & consciences , to uphold this ministry and priesthood aforesaid , the lord shall never prosper you , nor make the nations happy under your charges , and this you shall witness eternally ; wherefore i do say unto you , it is high time for you to lay aside the interest of this oppressing clergy , so much leavened and tasted of the whore of rome ; your selves do know that the spirit of the romish clergy was in the late bishops , which you east out for their wickedness ; and the very spirit of those bishops is entred into these priests , and bears rule in their hearts ; and thus by succession hath the whore of rome leavened the clergy of england , from one generation to another , with her taste and savour ; and there is the remainer of her murthers and cruelty in those mens breasts , and at every opportunity it breaks forth , as of late in this rebellion you have full testimony , and if you do not curbe it speedily , it will grow over you to your undoing . therefore clear your selves , do not any longer drink the whores cup , neither be ye carriers of her , to execute her wickedness upon the bodies and consciences of people , for it is written the beast hath carried the whore , and we see it hath been thus , as iohn saw it was to come to pass ; and so clear your selves from her tyrannies and oppressions , and leave this false church and ministry to themselves , and if god will not uphold them by his power , why should you do it ? if these priests have not yet planted vineyards that will yield them fruit , & if their flock will not yield them milk freely , why should you unjustly impose upon peoples consciences , and compel tithes and money from them , for the maintenance of these men ? ye ought not to do it , for while ye compel and force people by violence , contrary to good conscience , to maintain and uphold this ministry , and church , and worship , you do but cause people to drink the whores cup , and you are but them which carries the whore , viz. the false church ; and this is plain dealing , to tell you the truth , whether ye will reject it or receive it , wherefore cast them off and let them not lurke under your wings , for one day they will rebell against you , and another day flatter with you , and for a season they will shew forth much love & kindnes in hypocrisie , even while they are hatching mischief against you , and to bring the nation into blood , and they will cry out heresie , and error of others that themselves may seem clear , while as the same lodgeth in their own hearts , wherefore i say do not make a false peace with them , nor do not 〈◊〉 with treacherous mindes ; for you had better have them your open enemies , then deceitful and flattering friends , you had better be in a just opposition against them , then in an unjust peace with them ; i know it appears to many of you , a thing very hard to be born ; what ? to forsake our godly ministers think ye , to hear tell of laying them aside , is an amazement unto some of your minds ? was it not the same concerning the king and bishops ? was it not as much terrible to him and his lords and councel to think of the overthrow of the then called godly fathers and bishops ▪ but better had he cast them off , and saved himself , then to have perished with them ; and so i say unto you , better were it for you to lay these men aside , and their flatteries and feigned prayers , and to save your selves from their flattery , then to perish with them , and the one of these will come to passe , for it s decreed of the lord , if you uphold them , and oppresse peoples persons , estates and consciences on their behalf , and in their evil cause , for tythes and wages to them , ye shall fall with them , and none shall be able to deliver , neither you nor them , for i tell you again , that the very spirit of the old idolatrous bishops ( long since cast out ) is entred into the hearts of these men , and there is as great a measure of tyranny and injustice and abomination lying upon these , as once was upon the bishops , and these are no less free from any abomination , then they were , and these are nigh as ripe for vengeance and overthrow as the others were , and it will as surely come upon these , as it did upon them ● wherefore take heed unto your selves , and be wise , and learn , and do us justice , or else god will do us justice upon you , if ye will not take off our burthens and ease our oppressions , the lord god will ease us of you ▪ and the earth shall not be oppressed with you , and if ye will uphold this priesthood against equity and good conscience , the lord will free good consciences both from you and them , and this is the word of the lord god to you . the open enemy hath not prevailed against you , but the secret hand of the lord , will not miss you . the end . notes, typically marginal, from the original text notes for div a30539e-150 his first particular his second particular . his third particular his fourth particular his fifth particular his sixth particular his 7. particular . his 8. particular . his 9. particular . his tenth particular . his 11th . particular . a declaration from the people called quakers, to the present distracted nation of england with mourning and lamentation over it, because of its breaches ... burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30514 of text r15613 in the english short title catalog (wing b5989). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 36 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 9 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30514 wing b5989 estc r15613 12036914 ocm 12036914 52889 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30514) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 52889) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 861:9) a declaration from the people called quakers, to the present distracted nation of england with mourning and lamentation over it, because of its breaches ... burrough, edward, 1634-1662. [2], 14 p. [s.n.], london : 1659. reproduction of original in huntington library. "the substance of this was given forth ... through e. burrough ... " signed by fifteen other friends. attributed to edward burrough. cf. bm. eng society of friends -doctrines. society of friends -great britain. a30514 r15613 (wing b5989). civilwar no a declaration from the people called quakers, to the present distracted nation of england. with mourning and lamentation over it, because of burrough, edward 1659 7444 5 0 0 0 0 0 7 b the rate of 7 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the b category of texts with fewer than 10 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-07 jonathan blaney sampled and proofread 2004-07 jonathan blaney text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-10 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a declaration from the people called quakers , to the present distracted nation of england . with mourning and lamentation over it , because of its breaches , and the cause thereof laid down , with advice and councel how peace , union , and happinesse may be restored , and all the present troubles removed . london , printed in the year 1659. to the present distracted and broken nation of england , and to all her inhabitants . a presentation and declaration from the seed of god , and from the people called quakers , with their sense and knowledge published , concerning the present divisions and confusions come to passe in the land , with the causes thereof laid down and discovered , and also good councel and advice held forth , how peace and unity may be restored , and how the present tribulations may be removed . oh poor distressed nation , and full of troubles ; how art thou broken and divided ? how hath divisions & distractions compassed thee about , and entred into thy bowells ? and how are thy inhabitants , and thy people divided even into hatred one against another ? and how are they filled as with mischiefe one toward another ? even as it were , thirsting for the blood one of another . oh! how are thy rulers and thy subjects , thy great men and thy poor , confounded amongst themselves ? and how is the wisedom of thy wise men turned into folly ; and their union into present contention ? and how do they seeke the overthrow one of another ; and how do they lye in waite to be avenged one against another ? and how are the hearts of many filled with envy , contention , and revenge ; and love , peace , and unitie , are farre away , meeknesse , patience , and long suffering , which ought to be among thy people , seemes to stand afar off ; and oh nation , this is the day of thy trouble , and the begining of thy sorrows . and for as much as it hath pleased the lord god almighty , to bring and suffer things thus to be brought to passe , as if he would make our nation a heape , and suffer destruction upon it , and having suffered the rulers and great men to overturne and break down one another , and to rend and tear one another from off the throne ; pulling down others , and setting up themselves , even thorough their ambition and vaine glory , and for corrupted ends to themselves ; wherby this our nation is brought into present confusion , and many are begotten thorough these things into fury , heart burnings , and malitiousnesse ; as if men were ready to devoure each one his neighbour , and their brother ; about government , and rule ; being greatly divided and distracted in this matter ; some crying up one way of religion , and church , and civil government ; and some crying up another way , being each one sort of people seeking themselves , and the prosperitie of their own interests , and to have their own desires accomplished , but few seeking the lord , and to advance him in truth , and righteousnesse . and because of this , there is no establishment in the earth , but strife , and contention , and heart burnings in the bowells of the nation , and great want of true love , true unitie , and true peace , and all the contrary doth abound among the people ; because of which the nation is subject to present misery , even to bloodshed and murthers , and liable also to greater judgments which may also come upon it , because of these things ; all which we have deeply considered , with mourning , and with breakings of heart , on the behalfe of the nation , the land of our nativitie ; we have seen , we have seen , the cause of thy distractions , to be the sins of thy rulers and people , and we have seen the effect of them , to be dolefull and miserable unto thee , except the hand of the lord turne it backward . and oh , how do we mourn and lament , to behold the out goings of men , and the present condition of the people and rulers in this the day of their trouble ; alass they do not behave themselves towards the lord that his judgments may be turned away , they do not seeke him in truth and righteousnesse , they do not turne unto him with all their hearts , neither do they tremble at his word : but they the rather reject his counsell , and despiseth his visitation , and they seek themselves , and exalt their own horne , and loves the honour of this world , and their hearts are hardned , and the great men seemes to be utterly insencible of what the lord is a doing , but seekes great things for themselves , and each one rejoycing in anothers fall , and glorying in their advantages one over another ; one sort being first down , and another sort comes up , boasting themselves over the fall of their enemies , and not knowing , that their time also is but very short . and thus is our poor nation tossed to and fro thorough the ambition of men ; who even makes a prey upon the poor peoples persons and treasure , for their own corrupted ends , and thy rulers hath not had respect unto the counsell of the lord , but seemes to refuse the way of peace , and even adds fewell to the fire of gods wrath , by heaping up one trausgression upon another , and they receive not the instructions of the almighty . behold , oh nation , great trouble is upon thee , and the men that should rule thee , and which have pretended to govern thee , they do not walk in the way of thy peace , neither do they bring healing to thee . these things we have considered , and thus we lament over thee , and over thy present state . oh nation , how are thou like an ungirded vessell , that is ready to fall one piece from another ? and how art thou like a body without a head , and all thy joynts out of order ? and what confusion art thou fallen into , which is thy present state , and art even ●s a widdow without a husband , and art left comfortlesse unto this day , and ready to devoure thy self thorough the envy that lodgeth in thy owne bowells ; though thou hast had kings over thee , and chosen the parliaments , and , set up protectors ; and committees and councels have bin creaated in thee , to have bin as a defence upon thee , and to have borne the scepter of thy government ; but alass these have all left thee , and thou art now as alone , and left in trouble , and confusion , and none of all these that have sitten on thy throne , have brought salvation unto thee , but thou art left comfortlesse even as a widdow unto this day , and the staffe of thy hand hath peirced thee , and thy strength and considence hath betrayed thee , and them whom thou hast chosen have wrought no deliverance at all in thee , even the men that thou thoughtest should have healed thee , they have made thy wound more incurable , and they in whom thou hast reposed trust , they have been deceiptfull and treacherous in thee , for many have sought themselves , and who should be the greatest , and they have trifled away many precious houres in vaine contentions about government , what it should be , and who should govern , while as no good thing hath been effected by them , but in the meane time of their delaies , and while they have been making themselves rich with the nations treasure , and loved this worlds perishing honour , and vaine titles , the nation hath starved for want of mercy and just judgment , and the cause of its necessity hath bin forgotten , and mercy , and truth , and the freedome of the people neglected , and the cause of the faeherlesse , widdow , and stranger , and the cause of the afflicted people , have they not respected ; oh nation , the men that have sitten on thy throne , they have left thee groaning yet under great oppressions , wounded with the spirit of tyranny yet un-cast out , and thy people are yet unhealed , but the breach hath been made wider , even by that spirit which hath possessed thy kings , thy parliaments , thy protectors , thy councils , thy committees , who hath proved unto thee phisitians of no valew , but have bin the encreasers of thy greefe , and even because of their iniquities , and the sin of their ambition and oppression , hath the lord dealt thus with them , and suffered them to dash one another in pieces , and through judgment unto themselves and thee , oh nation , are they at present ceased from thee , and thou art left alone , and without a deliverer in the earth , full of troubles and distractions ; oh that thou wouldest now look unto the lord , and seek him in righteousnesse , that he may heale thee , for there is none of all them that do pretend to rule thee , that do rightly proceed in the way of thy deliverance , they do not apply healing balm unto thy wound , they rather add unto the cause of thy sorow , then removes it from thee , their hearts are not aright before the lord , and how then shouldst thee prosper in their doings . all these things have we veiwed , and pittied the condition of our nation , and thus we do declare that the very cause of these things that are come to passe in thee , is in that , oh nation , thou hast sinned , thou hast sinned ; and the cry of thy iniquities is come up before the lord , even the sinns of thy rulers , and thy people , is the cause of gods displeasure against thee , and he is provoked , through their transgressions , in thee is found the blood of the innocent , in thee is found the murther of souls , in thee is found treachery against god , and hipocrisie , and dissimulation with god and men , in thee is found pride , and oppression , whoredome , and drunkennesse , stealing , and murther , in thee is found the very burthen of iniquitie , and the full measure of transgression , even the transgression of gods whole law , deceit is found in the unsoundnesse of heart , and unconstancy in all good things , multitude of hypocriticall fastings , prayers , and services , in thee is found , even destroying sins of all sorts doth abound , and thou hast provoked the lord god by thy abominations : thy rulers have bin oppressors , thy teachers deceivers of soules , and thy people are froward , and perverse , against the lord , in thee is found the men that judge for rewards , and the priests that preach for hire , and the prophets that divine for money , thy fins are like israells of old , for number , and greatnesse , and thou hast lost gods favour , and gain'd his fury , by thy own doings , and thou art the very cause of this misery , and hast brought it upon thy self , and because thou art departed from the living god by thy transgressions , therfore hath he confounded thee , and turned thy wisdome into folly , and he is departed from thee , and out of thy counsells ; and men are left to the counsells of their own hearts , and as it were ready to destroy one another , ruler against ruler , and neighbour and friend full of strife one against another , and this is hapned unto thee as a judgment for thy iniquities , who hast also neglected a glorious day of visitation , thy rulers and inhabitants have bin warned , and the cry of repentance hath bin sounded towards them all , by a despised people , but warning hath not bin regarded , but the word of the lord rejected by thy rulers and people , and loe what wisdome is there in them , not so much wisdome from god as can preserve them , but it may be just with the lord to suffer them to drink the blood one of another , even because they have finned against god , and rejected his counsell , therfore is this come to passe in the nation : for hadst thou , oh nation , walked in the light of the lord , it had bin better with thee , had every one obeyed the light in his own conscience , and had every one sought the lord , and not himself , had thy rulers ruled for god , and had thy people bin ruled of god , then this day had not bin a day of trouble , but it had bin a day of joy , and sorrow and anguish had bin removed farr from thee , and blessings had filled thy habitations . and now wheras many wise men have bin advising and consulting the peace of this our nation , and they have given in their counsell for the removing these troubles , yet peace and unitie seemes to be farr away , and though they have sought peace for this nation , yet they have not walked in the perfect way therof , for innocency , truth , and simplicitie , have bin wanting , which god only will blesse , and by flatteries , and deceipts , and the pollicy , and wisdome of this world , have they thought to make up thy breach , but it cannot be , for in the way of that proceeding will not the lord be found in a needfull time ; and his presence hath bin wanting in their counsells , and therefore the fruit of peace is not yet grown up ; this we have seen , and therfore thus we do declare , o nation , the inward cause of thy distractions must be removed , even thy iniquities must be forsaken , and thy transgressions repented of , thou must forsake thy former waies and doings that are not right , thou must leave off thy hypocrisies and flatteries with god and men ; thou must repent thee of thy profannesse , and of thy profession also , thy sin and thy righteousnesse must thou put away , which are both abominations unto god , thou must cease to do evill , and learn to do well , and thou must be uncovered of thy sheeps cloathing , thy large profession of religion , and the multitude of thy prayers , and sermons , and the number of thy oblations , and offerings , these things have not bin pleasant unto the lord from thee , but because hrreof is he the rather provoked against thee , and thou must be stripped of thy filthy garments , and sett as in the day that thou wast borne , before thou canst be cloathed with divine righteousnes , and , o nation , thou must be changed , not in name only , but in nature ; thou must be converted , that the wrath of the lord may be turned back from thee ; every inhabitant in thee must becom a fighter against the evil in his own heart , and the plague therof must be sought out and removed ; the sin must be forsaken , that judgment may cease , and every one must cease to provoke the lord , and no longer vex his spirit within them , and every one must love the light of christ in his own conscience , and become a follower of it , that will lead him out of all sin , and every man must put off his transgressions and forsake himself , and lay down the enmity , and cast it out of his heart , that he hath against persons , and he must warr against the enemies of his own soule , and the enemies of his own house must be slayne , even his own lusts , and even the evil affections of his own heart must he become an enemie unto , and every man must deny the false teachers and deceivers , and must come to be taught of the lord , every one must turne to him , and come into his covenant , and hear his word , and obey his voice , and become humble and meek , and must tremble at the word of the lord , and must become upright and innocent . and , o nation , if it were thus with thee , then shouldest thou be a happy people if thou do thes things , then shal all thy breaches be healed , and thy sorrows be turned into joy , and the lord shal cease to smite thee , & his anger shal be turned clean away : this is our counsel unto thee , remove thy iniquities by repentance , be converted to the lord , and he shall heale thee , and his love shall be shed abroad ; peace , plenty , and satisfaction , unity , and concord , shall be unto all thy inhabitants , and the lord himself shall be thy king , thy judge , and thy law-giver : he will judg thee with equity , and not with oppression , he will teach thee in the perfect way , and thou shalt not err , he will defend thee from all thine enemies , and tyrants shall not have power over thee ; oh nation if thou do these things , even turn to the lord with all thy heart , that he may walk in thee , and dwell in thee , then should thy light break out of obscurity , and the dew of mercies should fall upon thee , and it should be unto thee as a morneing without cloudes , and thou should'st be refreshed after all thy sorrowes , the nation should be happy , and the people blessed , and the government of peace , and truth should be established , never to be confounded any more . and thus thy iniquities being removed , the plague should cease , and the cause of destruction being taken away , no fruit thereof should appeare , wherfore let men cease to hatch mischiefe one against another , and to seek vengeance one of another ; and let them seek with all speed , and sincerity , to get victory over their own sins , and that vengeance may be taken upon their own transgressions ; and this is our counsell for the healing of our nations breach , and for the turning away of the anger of the lord . but and if , o nation thou continue in thy perversnesse , and in thy transgressions which the lord hates , and if thou wilt not turn to him that smiteth thee , and love his rod that corrects thee , but wilt alwaies greive the spirit of the lord , and will be obstinate , and stout-hearted against the lord , and his reproofes , and if thou wilt continue in thy accustomed sins , then shall the reward therof be upon thee , even breach upon breach , and one judgment upon another ; and mercy shall be with-holden from thee , and the dew shall not fall upon thee , but thou shalt be as a barren heath , and thou shalt be given up to consume thy self , in mischiefe , and in thy heart burnings one towards another , if thou wilt set up rulers of thy own proud and ambitious men , and will not choose the lord to rule over thee , but reject him , and his people , then shall thy breach never be healed by the men whom thou choosest , but through them shall thy breach be more desperate , and thy wound made more incurable , and if thou wilt set up teachers that teach for filthy lucre , and prophets that divine for money , and priests that preach for hire , and will not receive the covenant of the lord , and him to be thy teacher , by his spirit ; then shalt thou err in thy wayes , and stumble , and fall , and never know perfect peace with god , nor one with another , but as thou lovest oppression and deceit , and walkest in transgression , so shall it be unto thee , and thou must eat the fruit of thy own doings , misery upon miseries shall be upon thee , and thou shalt not see the face of the almighty to refresh thee ; wherfore o nation , consider before the night come upon thee , when no way will be found by thee to be delivered , for in the midst of thy confusions ; god is a working , he hath a work to bring forth , which shall be a work of great mercy , and deliverance , or of sorrow , and of great judgment , even to the whole land . and as for us , we hereby declare unto thee , we are not thy enemies , we seek not thy hurt , nor do we desire vengeance upon our enemies , we seek not thy destruction , but we desire thy repentance , that thou mayest be healed ; we have not the spirit of mischiefe , and rebellion in our hearts towards thee , neither are we for one party , or another , nor do we side with one sort , and rebell against another , neither do we joyne our selves to this sort , or the other , nor do we warr against any by carnall weapons , neither shall we ever provoke the nation against us , otherwise then by our righteous and holy walking , & we do declare that we are not for men , nor names , nor shall we joyne with this , or that sort of men , but as they act righteousnesse alone , nor any thing which yet appears , can we fully embrace or rejoyce in ; for they are all corrupted in their waies , and that cursed spirit of self seeking , seemes to be the rule of , and to leaven their principall actions , and we rather yet chuse to suffer by all , as for a long time we have don already ; then to lose our integrity , and innocency , by joyning to any , in their unjust waies , for we reject all places of corrupted honour , and we are yet kept free . it is true , we are a people gathered of the lord into one spirit , and though a people littie in account , and very low in reputation , and greatly reproched , and even a suffering people by all sorts of men , yet we are a people loved of the lord , and his presence is among us , and his dread filleth our hearts , and though we are accounted as a cast-out people , yet are we dreadfull unto the wicked , and must be their fear , for we have chosen the sonn of god to be our king , and he hath chosen us to be his people ; and he might command thousands , and ten thousands of his saints at this day , to fight in his cause , he might lead them forth , and bring them in , and give them victory over all their enemies , and turne his hand upon all their persecutors , but yet his kingdome is not of this world , neither is his warrfare with carnall weapons , neither is his victory by the murthering , and killing of mens persons , neither hath he chosen us for that end , neither can we yet beleeve that he will make use of us in that way , though it be his only right to rule in nations , and our heireship to possesse the uttermost parts of the earth , but for the present we are given up to beare , and suffer all things for his names sake , and our present glory , and renowne therin stands , till the appointed time of our deliverance , without the arme of flesh , or any multitude of an hoast of men ; this we declare , and o nation , though we have born thy reproches these many yeares , and have passed under the rod of thy wicked rulers , and people , and we have bin afflicted through their hard-heartednesse , though we never have provoked thee , otherwise then by our well doing ; and though persecution , imprisonments , whippings , banishments , and all hard things have bin our portion from thee , yet this hath bin for righteousnesse sake , and not for any evill doing , and we have borne all these things in much patience , and we are not now provoked against thee , to seek thy hurt , or to work evill in thee , though thou hast smitten us , yet would we have thee to be healed , and though thou hast sought to destroy us , yet would we have thee to repent and be saved , and we are at this day thy mourners , and are afflicted for thee in our hearts , even because thou hast provoked the lord against thee , though we do rejoyce in the judgments which smiteth thee ; yet we mourn for thee who hath deserved such wo full stripes ; and also because thou refusest the way of peace , and counteth them that reprove thee even thy enemies , and hardnest thy heart against gods instructions ; and counteth his free borne people thy bond-slaves ; who hath not any larg portion , not great places of honour in this nation , nor ny thing to glory in from thee , but sufferings , afflictions , and tribulations ; where is the place in this nation , that we have not bin reproched ? in what streete have not we bin reviled ; and in what prison have not we bin unjustly imprisoned ? and among what sort of people have not we bin hated ? and what one of thy judges and rulers can cleare themselves before the lord , from the guilt of our unjust sufferings ; o nation , our portion in thee , for these many years , hath bin thy cruell reproches ; our greatest place of honour in thee , hath bin under thy cruell oppressions , and these things , and the guilt thereof will god charge upon thee , and reward thee for , one time or another ; yet notwithstanding all this , our present desires for thee are good , and not evil , that thou mayest be saved and not destroyed , healed and not wounded unrecoverably ; and we would ●ot add unto thy grief ; by any just provocation , through any evil towards the , neither would vve vvoek offence in thee , further then vhat thou takest for righteousnesse sake ; and for the exercise of our pure conscience . and though there hath bin in this nation divers and sundry overturnings of late dayes , and some have bin turned out , and others brought into place , each one sort of them crying against the evil of another , and promising to accomplish such and such good things in the nation ; yet alass , what is there effected unto this day ? what freedom and true liberty to subjects more then was many years ago ? what oppressions taken off from the people ? what establishment in government ? alas , not any of-these things are accomplished , neither do we see a right thing propounded , and rightly prosecuted , by any party yet appearing ; but the cause hardly yet appears , carried on by any among them , which can be said of it , this is of the lord , and is perfectly right , and the lord will prosper it , for most of the men that have yet appeared on the throne , they have rejected the word of the lord and his councel ; and what wisdom is there in them , only the policy , and subtiltie , and wisdom of this world , wherein they build , but the lord throws down , even before it be finished ; and they consult therein , and the lord dasheth to peeces ; they set up , but he pulls down , because they want his spirit and wisdom , and his authoritie amongst them , and they are as the potsheards of the earth , that the iron rod must break in peeces ; and this we declare , the men ( yet ) seems not to appear in all these parties , which are worthie to handle the lords scepter , and to be crowned with the honour of authoritie in his government ; but even this partie , and the other party seems to be un worthie to rule for the lord , for they appear to be choaked with the honour of this world , and corrupted thereby , and uncapable of receiving that anointing that men must have , that shall truly rule for god ; and though many in our days that have ruled over us , have promised great things to the nation , yet we see all hitherto have wanted power to perform , and have not bin blessed with the presence of the lord , so as this nation hath bin healed and redeemed by them , and we are utterly out of all hopes of this party , or the other party , of this man , or that man , to bring salvation unto this nation , from all its bonds and oppressions , for we know , whatsoever men professe to do , yet they cannot performe any good thing , nor rule for god in our nation , till that themselves be reformed , and ruled by him , and have the spirit of god poured upon them for such a work , and this we declare , till that a man , or men , be ruled of the lord , they can never rightly rule for him , nor bring deliverance and freedome to an oppressed nation , though men may , and have promised much , yet their fruit is but little ; and thou o nation , hast long bin deceived by such men , who have flattered thee with the multitude of faire words , and promised thee deliverance ; and hereby might'st thou learn wisdom , o england , never more to rest under the shaddow of such men , make no more a mountaine to cover thy self , rest not under the shaddow of dead trees , that wants the vertue of god , but now look at the living god , and wait for that king of righteousnesse , and peace , whose right alone it is to rule , for he alone can bring salvation to thee , he alone can heale thy breaches , even jesus christ , whose coming is at the doore , and in the mean time o nation , while he is absent , thou art dry , and barren , and empty , thou art tossed , and shaken , and thou art tossed , and perplexed , and cannot be rightly comforted ; for men shall not be a rest unto thee , but one after another shall they be overturned , for it is the lord alone , and under his government shall people finde perfect rest , and freedom from all oppression , for what is a king ? and what is a parliament ? what is a protector , and what is a councell ? or any other sort of men , while the presence of the lord is not with them , and while his spirit and authority is wanting to them , what can any of these bring forth , none of all these whatsoever , if the lord be not cheefe in them , and amongst them , and his counsell their only guide , shall be any otherwise unto this nation , then as a broken reed to leane upon , and no more then a shaddow which shall not save the people from the heat , nor from the storme ; this we know , and this we declare , in the name of the lord ; and we are not for names , nor for men , nor for titles of government , nor are we for this party , nor against the other , because of its name , and presence , but we are for justice , and mercy , and truth , and peace , and true freedom , that these may be exalted in our nation ; and that goodnesse , righteousnesse , meeknesse , temperance , peace , and unity , with god , and one with another ; that these things may abound , and be borught forth abundantly , such a government are wee seeking , and waiting for , wherein truth , and righteousnesse , mercy , and justice , unity and love , and all the fruites of holynesse may abound , and all the contrary be removed , cast out , and limmitted ; and we are not for such and such names , and titles of government , that promises faire , and performes nothing ; but if a council , if a parliament , if any one man , or a number of men whatsoever , that shall have the spirit of the lord poured upon him , or them , and shall be annointed of the lord for such an use , and end , to govern this nation , under such only shall the nation be happy , and enjoy rest , from such men fitted of the lord , and called by him , and under such a government , of truth , and righteousnesse , shalt thou o nation , enjoy rest from all thy travells , and under such a government , shall the righteous rejoyces and the whole land sing for joy of heart , when tyranny , and oppression shall be cleane removed , strife , and contention , and self seeking , utterly abandoned , and when peace , and truth , flowes forth as a streame , and the lord alone rules in thy rulers , and he the principall amongst them , and under such men , and such a government only and not under any other , shalt thou o nation , be happy , and thy people a free people . wherefore , o nation ! when wilt thou begin to look to the lord ; when wilt thou begin to set up him , and not man , when wilt thou minde his power and presence in and through men , more then any men themselves ; when shall it once be , o ye people of our nation , that you will seek after him , to be the principal and chief power among you : oh let your eyes be turned to the lord alone , that he may deliver you , and bring salvation and freedom , and look no more at men , but only as they are in him , and guided by his spirit ; and only expect good from men , as men are guided by the lord ; and then shall you not ever any more be deceived , as long you have bin , with kings , with parliaments , with councels , with armies , nor any others ; for in these have you trusted , and not in the lord ; from these have you expected great things without him ; whenas alass , what shall men accomplish , or what can they bring forth , while they reject the counsel of the lord , and his word , as hitherto they have done , and therefore hath he broke them and confounded them , yea , and he will break them and crush them under his rod , even till they learn his judgments , and know him the alone power , and give honour to him that doth whatsoever he will , and he will overthrow yet once and againe , even till he come , whose right it is to rule , and he is at work in this his day , and because of iniquities doth he visit with tribulation , and through great tribulation , and overturning of men , and powers , will he advance his own kingdome , and government , and the end of all these things shall bring forth his glory , and men that will not honour him by dealing righteously in their day upon earth , they must honour him in their destruction , at their latter end , and let not men glory one over another , while some are put down , and others set up , but let them all know , they have but each sort their houre , and their end will come even as others , for an everlasting kingdome , and government will god set up , that must rule over all , and this is the hope of a poor despised people , though for present hated of all , and sought to be destroyed by all , yet our soules are anchored and stay'd , even in the sure promises of our god , in this the day of the nations trouble , and though we are very poor , and rejected of all , and have nothing to glory in amongst any party or sort of people , but even in our reproaches , and sufferings , that we sustain from all , yet have we perfect rest in god , and satisfactions over all these distractions , we know him in whom we have beleived , and we trust in the shaddow of his wing , and we are not of a doubting heart , concerning what can come , or whomsoever doth rule , for this we know , though all seeks after our blood , yet he can deliver us if he will , we know him that can do all things , and if he save none can destroy , if he blesse none can curse ; him we know , and in him we rest , and we give our power in all things to him , and not unto mortall man , whose breath is in his nostrills , who must perish as the dung , we cannot be afraid of their horror , nor can we be drawn by their love , but we trust in his name , and under his defence shall we be saved , we give our power to him , to be defended and preserved by him alone , and we are well contented with our sufferings , and murmurs not , our sufferings are our present crown ; but yet woe unto that authority which maketh us to suffer , and woe unto the men upon whom god shall charg the guilt of our oppressions , and woe unto that spirit that is found acting against gods annointed , behold , ye mountaines of the earth , behold ! ye rulers , and ye people , the lord hath blessed his people , and every tongue that riseth up in witnesse against them shall be condemned , and every weapon that is formed against them shall be broken ; this is our hope in this gloomy day , and the hope of a kingdome of righteousnesse , and peace which must be set up , is our refreshment in this day of trouble , and let not our enemies glory over us , for though we are poor , yet shall we be made rich , and though we have no carnal weapon , yet shall we conquer : and thus have we declared our selves in much plainnesse and 〈◊〉 to our nation whom we love , and whose present condition we pity and lament over , and we are freonds to any appearance of good , that may come forth in truth and sinceritie , and as righteousnesse doth appear in any , we are ready to joyne with it in our prayers and desires , yea , and otherwise ; even that which hath the image , of our god upon it , whenever it shall appear , we shall rejoyce therin and adde our help thereunto that it may prosper , for , for the establishing of righteousnesse in the earth , our all is not dear unto us , though hitherto we have bin silent and not medling with this party or the other , but by way of reproof of the evil in all , and informing all to the good ; and it cannot be charged upon us , that we have sided with one or another , for we have beheld all hitherto out of the right way as we have said , but we truly seek the general good of our nation , and though we are accounted so and so , yet we have not lost true reason nor understanding , but we well know what is wrong , and what would be right , even in way of gover●●●nt , but the time appears not to be yet , when innocencie and simpli●●●●● of heart can be embraced , for men are yet too wise in their own wisdom , and cannot receive the councel of the lord that they may prosper , and therefore are they , and must they be confounded amongst themselves ; and dashed one against another , till they learn the way of righteousnesse and truth . the substance of this was given forth the twentieth day of this tenth moneth , being moved of the lord by his spirit thereunto , through e. burrough , and is now judged meet to be published to the nation , in the behalf of us and our friends , under our hands . ge● . roberts . tho. harte . gilbert latye . iohn anderdon . iohn osgood . robert benbrick . iohn boulton . ellis hookes . william crouch . gobert sikes . iames strutt . iohn pennyman . iohn crook . edward billing . benjamin furly . the end . a message to the present rulers of england whether committee of safety, (so called) councell of officers, or others whatsoever : delivered unto them by an ambassadour from the only right heire of the government, whose right alone it is to rule : and by special authority and commission from him, this is sent unto them, that they may hear, and fear, and learn wisdom, and may deliver up the proper right of the only king unto him, that they may be blessed, but on the conrray dependeth their destruction / by edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30536 of text r14580 in the english short title catalog (wing b6015). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 38 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 11 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30536 wing b6015 estc r14580 12390979 ocm 12390979 60998 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30536) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 60998) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 933:9) a message to the present rulers of england whether committee of safety, (so called) councell of officers, or others whatsoever : delivered unto them by an ambassadour from the only right heire of the government, whose right alone it is to rule : and by special authority and commission from him, this is sent unto them, that they may hear, and fear, and learn wisdom, and may deliver up the proper right of the only king unto him, that they may be blessed, but on the conrray dependeth their destruction / by edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. [2], 16 p. printed for giles calvert ..., london : 1659. reproduction of original in huntington library. eng society of friends. great britain -politics and government -1649-1660. a30536 r14580 (wing b6015). civilwar no a message to the present rulers of england. whether committee of safety; (so called) councell of officers, or others whatsoever. delivered u burrough, edward 1659 7865 5 0 0 0 0 0 6 b the rate of 6 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the b category of texts with fewer than 10 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 spi global keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-03 olivia bottum sampled and proofread 2004-03 olivia bottum text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a message to the present rulers of england . a message to the present rulers of england . whether committee of safety ; ( so called ) councell of officers , or others whatsoever . delivered unto them by an ambassadour from the only right heire of the government , whose right alone it is to rule , and by special authority and commission from him , this is sent unto them , that they may hear , and fear , and learn wisdom , and may deliver up the proper right of the only king unto him , that they may be blessed ; but on the contrary dependeth their destruction . by edward burrough . london , printed for giles calvert , at the black spread-eagle , near the west-end of pauls . 1659. these things were upon me , to deliver even by speech and word of mouth to the present men in power , that they might be warned lest they perish ; but no way being made for me so to do , i have written what was upon me , even as short as possibly i could , and in as little compasse as might be , having hinted at things which might more largely bin spoken to ; and i order this to be printed and given to their particular hands , with speed . e. b. to the present rulers of england , a message to you all , by an ambassadour from the lord god , the great and mighty king ; and iesus christ , the only prince of peace and righteousnesse , whose right alone , it is to rule , over us in our nation , and not anothers , in his name and authority , i am come unto you . friends , my master is a high and mighty , and powerful prince , and very honourable ; and fear , reverence , respect and subjection belongs to him alone , from you and all mankinde , he is wise and understanding , and of great strength : and his dominion is from everlasting to everlasting ; and he can do whatsoever he will in heaven and earth ; for he rules with his iron rod over the world , and whatsoever he saith , it is done ; for his word is an everlasting command ; if he say to a man live , it is so ; and if he say to him die , it cometh to passe ; and if he give peace to a man or a nation , none can make war ; and if he make war with a person , or in a nation , no man is able to make peace . for why , he hath all power in his hand , and to him all judgement and authority is given , he is the sonne of the living god , the everlasting creator ; he was , and is , and is to come ; his eye beholdeth all things , and his arme compasseth heaven and earth ; and what his purpose is , he hath alwayes , and will ever bring it to passe ; if he set up rulers , they must rule ; and if he pull them down , none can hinder ; whom he will he honoureth , and if it be his pleasure , he bringeth men to shame ; if he break a nation down , none can build it up ; and if he confound powers and authorities in the kingdomes of men , they all fall as withered grasse before him ; behold ye men ! he is so great and mighty , and of so great authority , that whatsoever he saith , it is done , and whatsoever he willeth , it cometh to passe ; and none is able to resist him and overcome his power ; when his pleasure is to accomplish a work ; by him all things are that be , and all things live that hath life , and through him all things moveth , and of his fulnesse every creature in heaven and earth receiveth ; and this my master is altogether honourable in birth and otherwise ; and altogether mighty in all his works ; he is just and merciful , full of goodnesse , righteousnesse and truth , and all vertue dwells in him : and his judgment and mercy , his authority and meeknesse : and his wrath and his love , they are companions ; and what are ye before him ? or how shall ye be able to resist him ? or to turn backward what his purpose is concerning you and this nation ? for ye have no being nor breath without him . behold ye men ; ye are verily as the dust before the winde , so are ye to him soon blown away , and your place not found , as the grasse before the mower , so are ye before him , soon cut down and withered , and your beauty utterly extinguished , as a potters vessel under an iron rod , even so are you to him , he can immediately break you , never to be bound up , as a drop to the fountain , so are you to him , soon dried up , and made nothing ; wherefore ye men , ye mortal creatures , ye ignorant persons , sons of a transgressor , ye dust and ashes ; for thus you are in comparison of him this mighty prince ; hearken to his message which cometh to you from him : hear and fear , and be not stout-hearted against the lord god that is about to speak unto you . as for this little island of england , wherein your present place and being is ; it is an island which the lord hath shewed great favour unto , in ages past , and in this present time : and i must tell you he hath a purpose of love towards it , and to honour it in the view of the world , though through great tribulations , and he hath an intent of great good unto it : for he hath a seed , a precious seed in it , scattered abroad , and he hath a people that feares his name , and hath walked in his wayes , and he hath made them , and elected them , and what they are , it is by him : that he may dwell among them , and have the whole government over them all , yea , he hath a speedy purpose verity concerning this nation , and he will purifie it in judgment , and refine its inhabitants through the fire of tribulations , that it may be pleasant to him , and fit to do his will : he hath a purpose to work some great thing in it i must tell you , as he hath said unto me , so to do ; he will have his name exalted and reverenced in this island , and his terrour shall be sent out of it through the world , and his branch from it shall spread over the earth , he doth purpose in his season to take it into his own hand , and to sway the government therof with his own scepter , and to set up righteousnesse alone , and to overthrow all oppressions and oppressors , and the kingdoms of this world must become the kingdoms of the lord , and of his christis . true it is , such hath bin the coming to passe of time , and of things for many ages by-past , that my master hath bin as it were banished from the nation , and hath not bin suffered to enjoy his right , but hath bin expelled , even as it were by the force of satan , and antichrist , who hath long usurped authority over the inhabitants of this nation ; and in my masters absence , lamentable injustice , cruelty , unmercifulnesse , tyranny and oppression , hath bin exercised upon the inhabitants , and the poor creatures hath bin held in great slavery by their rulers , that have ruled by the dragons power , and bin kept in great blindnesse and ignorance , and under great oppression both in body and spirit , by antichristian teachers , for this many years , even while the great king hath bin absent , and as it were gone into a far countrey : even all this time hath antichrist and the devil ruled and reigned , and hath made and executed oppressing and tyrannical lawes and decrees , both in church and state , and all the nation hath bin out of right order , and laid waste and barren of good fruit , and it hath bin as a wildernesse , by reason hereof ; and men that have ruled for many years , have not ruled singly by my masters authority , but by another power , though not without the knowledge of my lord , neither as though he had not power to have done otherwise ; but for his own pleasure he hath suffered it thus to be , and let men go on to rule and govern in their own wills , and after their own lusts ; and people have walked wickedly towards him , and towards one another , and all this he hath suffered , not as if he gave toleration for it : for his messengers now and then , and his witnesse in peoples consciences , have bin reproving their ungodly wayes , and he hath often shewed his dislike by divers wayes and tokens , and many judgments and strange overturning : to the way and proceeding of both rulers , prophets and teachere of this nation : but yet they have gone on , against his minde , and contrary to his will , notwithstanding his reproofs and judgements , not that he had not power to have executed his pleasure in wrath upon them , and to have destroyed them al together , and have made the nation a heap , and as nothing , long before this day : for power was in his hand to have done it : but he hath bin long-suffering , and of great patience , and born all things , and taken the injustice , and cruelty , and wickednesse , and idolatry , and all unrighteousnesse that hath abounded in the nation upon himself , and suffered under it , and born it for its season , while woful and lamentable oppressions hath bin practised in civil state , even hellish laws , and devilish executors of them , mercilesse tyrants have born the scepter , and reigned for many years over the inhabitants , and in church and state , hath bin hainous idolatry , and superstitious vanities committed in a high nature , and measure , and even all men , and states of men , & orders of men , of every degree , hath bin abominably corrupted , in the fight of my lord ; even from the prince to the begger , even rulers and subjects , teachers and people , judges and prophets , they have bin corrupted both in heart and hand , and they have dealt falsly , and wickedly towards him , and towards one another , even to the great displeasure and vexation of him , and his blessed spirit , and to the high provocation of him , to their own destruction , if his long suffering had not prevailed , and all this , while he hath layed , as it were asleep , and at rest in himself , and he hath left men to try them , what they will do , and he hath given them a day , many kings and rulers , he hath let them have a little time , to see how they would use it , but they have abused it , and not ruled for him , nor accomplished his work , nor fulfilled his will , but acted even in defiance of him , and of his power , and to his great dishonor , alack ! i must be plaine with you , my lord hath bin utterly exiled , and greatly dishonored , and highly provoked and vexed , by reason of such proceedings , as hath bin in this nation for this many yeares , through the corruption of all sorts of men in place , and power , who hath not ruled for him , but for the devill , to their own corrupted ears , only he hath suffered men to go on in their course for a season , some as it were appearing on the stage for a time , and suddenly cast down again , for their iniquities sake , and his hand hath bin in all these things , though very privatly and secretly , not known and discerned by the sons of men , yet hath he ruled over the kingdoms of men , and pulled down one and set up another , and to forbear the severall actings and proceedings of many by-passed ages , and to come to this generation , and to speak of things that have happened within these few years , and of the changing and overturning that hath hapned in this nation ; such was the cruelty , tyranny , and oppression , and idolatry , both in church and civil state , that the people of this nation were held under , in the dayes of papal-power , such i say , was the exceeding heighth of cruelty , and tyranny of that time , that not any that feared or reverenced my lord , in any measure could scarce live , or have a being in the nation , even against every man , that did but incline towards him , and desire the knowledge of his waies , hells mouth was opened against them , and they were swallowed up , and many of their lives taken from the earth , by the hellish power that had in that day usurped authority in this island , and when thus it was , then he looked down from heaven , and his bowells of compassion were opened , for the sake of the oppressed people that desired after him , in so much that he broke , and threw down the power of their oppressors in some measure , as it stood in papall-authority , and when the iniquity of that power was filled up , he took vengeance upon it ▪ and i must tell you , it was he that brought it about , even the destroying of that power in this nation , and freeing the nation from it , though the men that were instruments in the cause were not his servants , otherwise then as nebuchadnezzar served him , for he hath a secret way to have a service from the wicked , and such is his power , that he can turne the wickednesse of the wicked to his glory , and he can make a rod to whipp his adversaries , and burne it when he hath done , and he hath often destroyed one wickednesse by another . well , but to leave that , though he did in some measure free this nation from much tyranny and cruelty , in the casting out popish authority , yet alack the nation in a few yeares was neare as much violated by injustice , tiranny , and cruelty , under the prelatical power , as ever it was once under the papal power , though before there had bin some small reformation , and change in outward appearance , though little in ground and nature , yet oppression , and tyranny in civill state , and idolatry , and superstition in church and state , and all profaness and wickednesse among people , was grown so high , like as it had bin under the papal power before , and all that desired after the lord , and was weary of iniquity , and of the then present oppressions and idolatries , were persecuted , and slain , and destroyed , and injustice and cruelty excercised upon them , even allmost to the rooting out of righteousnesse , and to the grieving of the lords spirit ▪ well then , because of the cry of the people , and the oppression of the nation under that authority , my lord looked down again , and even for his name sake , and his seeds sake , he had compassion on this nation , to set it free , and to break off its oppressions , and by his hidden hand and secret power , he overthrew that oppressing power of kings , lords , and bishops , both in church , and civill state , and brought some tyrants and oppressors to just execution , for their wickednesse and in a great measure , he did deliver the people of this nation in many things , and there was a part of reformation wrought , and much pretended and looked for , and all this came to passe through him , and my lord did accomplish it , however the instruments by which he wrought proved deceitfull , and became oppressors , as others before them , and though there was in this nation a day of great troubles , and warrs , and contention , and great strife , and the wasting of much blood , and earthly treasure , and none of these things i must tell you , fell without the ordering of my masters hand , yet so it was , and came to pass , that after this nation was restored to peace ; though much unrighteousnesse , and injustice was removed , yet there was much also left behinde , and men that he had used as instruments in his hand in a good work , and to whom he had given wisdom , and understanding , and appeared in much mercy , and in great deliverance , yet they even turned to seeke themselves , and became corrupted in the spoyles of their enemies , and when peace , and plenty abounded , the lord was forgotten again , and then the land fell under oppressors , and began again to cry out for freedom , even when other horns of the first beast sprang up , and went one each of them after his fellow , and though one horne hath striven to break another , yet after one hath bin cast down , another hath risen , and made an image to the first , and ruled and reigned by the same spirit and authority derived from the dragons power , in cruelty and oppression , and made lawes and executed them , to the dishonour of the lord , and to the great oppression of his people , and to the filling of this island with injustice and cruelty , even from one generation to another , untill this day , and thus up and down , hath times and seasons bin altered , power and authority changed , and altered , statuts , lawes , and decrees , changeable , and alterable , for as the iniquity of one power was filled up , that was cast down , and another had its day , till the measure of the first was also finished , that he might partake of the same judgments , and in all these over-turnings , breakings down , and over-throwings , the very hand of my lord hath bin , though secretly , and not discerned , yet his power hath brought about , and suffered all these things to come to pass , and who shall charge him with injustice ? or who shall say what hast thou don ? or why hast thou don it ? for as i have said , he is a high and mighty prince , and can do whatsoever he will ; and he is the supream power and authority which rules and reignes in , and over all the kingdomes of men ; and what though he hath used wicked men , as an instrument to accomplish his work , and made the wicked his rod , and even brought it to pass , that one wickednesse should destroy another , and one oppressor break down another , and the kingdom of antichrist confound its self , yet what of all these things ? all flesh must bee silent before him , and all people , and the whole earth must be subject unto him , for the government and dominion over heaven and earth are his , and all power and dominion belongs to him alone , and all judgment is in his hand , to bring to pass whatsoever he will , and by whomsoever , as he pleaseth . but now my friends , though i would not be tedious to you , yet must i tell you the truth , and faithfully deliver the lords message unto you : and as concerning this last overturning , there was something of the hand of my lord in it ; and hee can , and will bring forth his own work and praise by it , and it shall be for the good of all his people that waites upon him , though there was much ambition and corrupted ends in the instruments , and neither part were perfectly single to the lord in their proceedings ; but their work was tasted with the false idolatrous spirit of self-seeking : yet notwithstanding the lord may bring forth his government , and his pleasant plant , through and beyond all this , even out of another root , which yet appears not among either of them , and righteousnesse may arise in the nation contrary to both of them , out of another stem , and he will set up his kingdom , and in the mean time leave one potsheard of the earth to break another . and as for you that now sits on the throne and beares rule , whether committee of safety ( so called ) chiefly , though it is not without my master , for he hath the knowledge of it , at least , yet you are not the onely men of his choice , truly called of him to the place of government , neither is your government the government of the lamb , neither must it be for ever established by him ; its foundation is not blessed , nor can its building be prosperous : for why ? alas , it is but another horn of that fourth beast , that hath been made to rule over the world , and upon the earth for many generations , and it is but hitherto a very little refined from the last , and is of the last , even as the eight was of the seventh , spoken of by that servant rev. 17.11 . and it may also make warr with the lamb and his followers for a little season , and it may have a small measure of injustice , and persecution to bring forth in the land , even till the words of god be fulfilled , and his kingdom be fully come ; the way of which is but yet a preparing by all these overturnings : and this your present government originally is leavened with the spirit of the old dragon , that hath killed the saints , and drunk their blood , and how should the lord establish it ? nay , your kingdom may prove but small and little , and full of uproars , and troubles , and little peace , and satisfaction , and establishment in it to your selves , nor the people under you ; but confusion will attend it , and feare will compasse it about : though this i must tell you , as you are men , you have your day of trial , what you will do , as many others have had before you , and something you may and ought to do , if but to make the whore ( the false church ) more naked , and to scourge her , more than some others have done ; and indeed my lord requires something more of you ( as such ) to do , then others before you could do , and you have a price put into your hands which you may improve to the lords honor , and to the nations good , and to our own happinesse ; which if you be faithfull to the lord to do what he requires of you , and if you become meek and humble men and fear his name , and deny your selves , and not seek your own honours , nor any earthly advantage to your selves ; if you do thus , then my lord will shew mercie to you , and you shall not suddenly fall before your enemies , though many may rise up against you ; but your daies shall be lengthened , and the purpose of the lord may be turned to your longer continuance , and not to your sudden destruction , and if you walk in this way , and rule , only for the lord , then shall you be honoured as men , if not as an authority , and you and the nation preserved in peace , and the force of the wicked shall be turned backward , and you shall not suddenly fall . and the late sundry overturnings in this nation may be examples to you , that you follow not the stepps of those that god hath cast out , lest you come to the same end of confusion and miserie : for as concerning that assemblie of men that last sate on the throne , something was done by them , in their day and time , and in both their assemblings in some things they served my lord , and they were a rod in his hand to smite his enemies , yet they were not faithfull to the end , till all his enemies were destroied ; but rather joined themselves to fight against the lord and his people , and were hastening on towards the waie of oppression , and persecution ; and it was time for the lord to remove them , and to laie them aside , as an emptie vessel , sometimes useful ; and to break them as a rod , sometime of service to be a scourge upon his enemies ; and when the day of their trial was over , which god gave unto them , being any longer ( for present ) unfit instruments for his hand , then he cast him into the fire ; and this his purpose came to passe upon them , so that they and the whole nation may be contented and yield themselves subject , to what he hath done concerning them ; for they being entring into the very same spirit of wickednesse , of oppression , and persecution , which the lord had once reproved through them , and cast out by them ; then was a rod raised up against them ; even as they had been against others , and they were dealt withall as they had done to others ; and this was in the justice of my lords hand , and what hath mortal man to question his proceedings ? and though some of you ( present rulers ) be looked upon as great traytors and tyrants in your dealing towards them ; and doubtless the men of that part will seek vengeance against you , even by preaching and praying , and they will curse you in the name of their god , and seek continually your destruction , as such as have taken away part of their strength , and cast down their idol : but alass ! all this is nothing , for the lord doth not account as men : for these things must needs thus come to pass for the furtherance of the kingdom and government of jesus christ , that it may arise through all ; and if you were but faithfull to what the lord requires of you in your present proceedings ; what you have done unto them should not be reckoned on account against you , neither by god nor good men : but , and if , you of the army , be alwaies treacherous and disobedient towards him , and abuse your power , and disregard your price that god hath given you , and trifle away your hour about places of honor , and such self-seeking matters , and the cause of god be neglected by you , and his people continued oppressed sufferers under you , as they have long been , even then shall you be cast aside with shamefull disgrace , and the heavie hand of the lord shall be upon you in judgment , and you shall be smitten more then any before you ; your estates shall not be spared from the spoiler , nor your soules from the pit , nor your persons from the violence of men , no nor , your necks from the axe ; for if you be unfaithfull , and continually treacherous to the cause of god , then shall you be left to the will of your enemies , and they shall charge treacherie and treason upon you , and your persons and estates shall be given for a prey to your enemies , and you shall not deliver your selves , neither will the lord deliver you from the execution of mercilesse men ; for my lord shall leave the cruel-hearted to plead with you . wherefore that you may be warned , i advise you be faithfull , let not the cause of god fall , nor the cause of his enemies prosper before you , for there is no other way , wherby you can be preserved , nor no other defence shall you ever find from the wrath of the lord , and from the fury of your devouring enemies , then your faithfullnesse in gods cause , and therfore relieve the oppressed , and take off all oppression , break down all unjust lawes , and set all people free , from unjust burdens , and let all oppression cease , both in church and civill state , and even all oppressive lawes , and unjust judges , and evil men in power , let all this be removed , and the nation clean quitted and discharged even from all men , and lawes whatsoever , that have held under oppression the persons , estates , and consciences of the good people of this land , and let the nation be corrected , and all orders and places of men , and lawes and decrees purified , for this my lord , the great king requireth ; and he will suddenly have it brought to passe in the nation , if not by you , then contrary to you , and to your utter destruction , and this is the very substance of my message to you , that my master hath given me to say unto you , and on his behalf i am come to claime of you my masters long lost right , let him have his right , from which he hath long bin banished , i demand it of you , all yee , whatsoever , that seemes to beare rule in this nation , i charge you in his name , let him have his title and prerogative , let him be lord and king wholly in his own kingdom , let him have the excercise of his peoples consciences by his own spirit , in all things , related to his worship and service , and let him have the full authority by his spirit , in all things pertaining to church , and ministry , and faith , and religion , and let his spirit have the alone authority , to perswade and diswade people from , or to such or such ministry , worship , and practises of religion , and let all forced maintenance to ministers , and tithes be speedily taken away , and let all lawes , and decrees whatsoever , made , and practised in the dayes of antichrist upon the bodyes , estates , and consciences of the people , in oppression and unjustnesse about church , and worship , and religion , be utterly repealed , and made void , and never more be in force in this nation ; but let my lord be sole ruler and governour , and have the full authority in his own kingdom , in all things whatsoever pertaining thereunto , and let no man henceforth hereafter , ever be intrusted with the liberties of the members of christs kingdom , as they are such , nor to judg over them , in any matters of faith , and worship , but give that right and priviledg wholly unto the spirit of jesus christ , for unto him only it pertaineth , to be whole judg , and to have full power in his own kingdom , and untill you give him this right , and deliver up unto him his own kingdome , and the excercise of peoples consciences in all things about religion , you shall never prosper , nor none that comes after you , that shall in any measure abridge my master of his proper right , from which he hath long bin banished as i have said , and till his right be given him , in the case aforesaid , he will dash one man against another , and none shall never be established , but horne after horne shall be broken , and one power after another brought into confusion and therfore ye men , do not strive with him in this matter , but yeeld unto him , the excercise of your own consciences by his spirit in you , and let him do so unto all others , even as yee hope to prosper , and upon the penalty of his sore displeasure upon you in this world , and in the world to come ; and let just men and righteous men , and meek men , and men that have the fear and wisdom of god in them , without exceptation of birth or otherwise , let such men have the power and judgment committed to them , to determin in things between man and man ; down with all the false hearted flatterers that have ruled for man , and not for god , and for themselves , and not for the good of the people , cast all such out from among you , for the good among you is choaked by them , down with all that judge for rewards , & away with all hireling rulers , that executes the law for money , and will not plead the cause of the poor without great fees ; and down with all that will not serve places of trust without so large stipends , away with all these things out of the land , for they are hainous oppressions unto men , and great abominations in the sight of god , and the land has long groaned under the waight of these things , and the earth is weary of them , and my lord requires their utter dissolution , as being iniquities fully ripe , and having the guilt of so much cruelty , injustice and oppression , lying upon the nation because hereof , therfore is the lords season to destroy them , and remove them out of the land , which if you be the instruments in such a work , it will be your greatest crown , and your perpetuall honour , for the lords purpose is one way or other to cleanse the land of all these and other oppressions whatsoever , that the people of this land may be a free people from all the heavy yoakes of antichrist , which hath long sorely pressed them down , and the purpose of the lord is to break the yoakes of oppression and tyranny , from off the necks of this people , and therfore is it that he overturneth , yea , and will overturne all men and authorities that shall oppose his work , and none shall be able to stand before him , for the presence of my lord is more dreadfull to a nation when he shews himself in his wrath , then any multitude of armed men , and woe is unto you if you be found opposeing of him , and if you seek to stopp his work , you shall not cumber the earth very long , nor oppresse the nation many dayes , wherfore consider , cursed will you bee if you be unfaithfull in what you have to do on the lords behalf , for your houre passeth over that is allotted you , and will be suddenly expired , never to be recalled , and then you cannot work . and whereas there is a great cry about ministry , for sending forth , and maintaining , and encouraging a godly ministry , as you say ; now to this , i do answer on my lords behalf ▪ and i must tell you plainly , as for a true godly ministry truly called and sent of god , such a ministry and such ministers you can never be able to hinder , but the lord will send them out , maintaining them , and preserve them , whether you will or no , and while you are troubling your selves about such a matter , you are but medling with things above your line , and out of your jurisdiction , while you act in such a case , for it belongs to his government to send out ministers whom and as he will , and to maintain them and defend them according to his own pleasure , and all this without you , for such ministers truly called thereunto , and sent of the lord , will not seek to you to be sent forth or maintained by you , they will not be beholding to you in such a case , but even without you and contrary to you , must they be sent out and maintained , so that the lord will have a ministry in this nation purely of his own , and not of man , nor by man , and such a ministry you shall not be able to hinder . and i must tell you plainly , as for these men called ministers in this nation , the way of their setting up , and sending forth , and the way of their maintainance , and the way of their standing and defence , and in every particular of their being such ; they are the greatest and most wofull oppression in the nation , even the most abominable and unjust cruelties and tyrannies is acted through them , as any other thing in the nation , and they are ( as such aforesaid ) the woful cause of the nations groaning under mercilesse dealing ; and there is upon their account the guilt of blood , injustice , and oppression lying upon this nation ; their iniquities , their iniquities cries for vengeance upon their own heads , for they are full , they are full , and the measure thereof is neer finished , and gods eternal vengeance is their next reward , from the eternal god ; what shall i say of them but this , the earth is oppressed by them , the inhabitants groanes under them , and the righteous god is vexed through them , and they are the very men of high indignation and fierce wrath , and all their practices ( as such ) are the fewel of his anger , to be consumed by the fire of his jealousie ; the nation is wearie and its inhabitants ; and the lord is wearie because of these men , and is this the ministery cried up by you as godly and pious , & c ? are these the men that the nation must be forced to maintain in their pride and idolatrie ? is this the ministery that must be encouraged ? well , if these be the men , and this the ministery which must be established and encouraged by you , in so doing you shall never prosper , but thereby gain the displeasure of the almighty unto you , to bring a curse upon all your doings even because hereof ; for i must tell you , the hand of my lord is against them , and whosoever shall seek to defend them , shall not prosper in their doings , because their oppressions , cruelties , deceits , and abominations are nigh finished and fulfilled ; wherefore take heed unto your selves , for this is my masters advice unto you ; let this ministery alone , and join not your selves to baal , lest you perish ; neither take part with antichrist any longer , neither be yee fighters against the lamb and his kingdom , but free the nation , and let all its inhabitants be freed from the cruel tasks and yoaks of such men and such a ministery as aforasaid ; uphold it not against the lord , for if you do , you shall never be established : and this is from the mouth of my lord unto you . and last of all , my master hath a people in this nation , even a suffering people , that have born the burthen of the cruelty and injustice and wickednesse both of rulers and teachers , who hath as it were trodden them down , and made them a very prey to their devouring mouthes ; the very crie of their sufferings hath reached unto heaven , and the very sound thereof your eares have heard ; and this people are greatly beloved , and my lord will assuredly honour them , and his hand shall be continued to preserve them , and defend them against all their enemies whatsoever ; and hee doth reserve them to himself , and for a glorious work that hee hath to do by them , and hee hath formed them for himself , and they cannot joyne with any of the hornes of the great beast , neither can a place of honour pervert them from their perfect way , but my lord he compasseth them about on every side , and hath kept them in the midst of tryalls , reproaches , and sufferings ▪ and covered them in the heath , and in the storme , and his pleasure is to make further use of them , they are his , and not their own , and they must fulfil his will , and none besides , and they lye at rest in him , while mountaines are overturned , and while one potsherd of the earth breaks another , and this must be even till the appointed time , and to say no more of them though much might be said , they are had in remembrance before the lord , to do with them even for his own glory , and for this nations perpetuall good , and to the authority of the most high through them , shall kings of the earth , and nations of the world bow and tremble , wherefore ye men touch them not , neither do yee afflict them even as you hope to prosper , remember their cause , and suffer it not alwayes to be rejected as it hath long bin , but keep your selves free from the injustice and cruelty of them that have gon before you , who have bin merciless and oppressors of that people , even till my lord hath confounded them , and brought them into confusion , for there is the weight of blood , of tyranny and oppression lying upon the nation in that peoples cause , and my lord will revenge them in his season , and though they are not weary of their sufferings , but are in the patience , which beareth all things , yet the nation can never be happy , nor its govrnment ever blessed while this people are held in bondage , and their sufferings are deeply considered of the lord , and the season therof is expireing towards an end , and when this cometh to passe , then woe unto the kingdome of antichrist , and to the whore , and false prophet , even when their strength is dryed up , by which they have made warr against the lamb , and his followers , yea , woe unto them , great fearfulnesse shall be upon all the world , when the king of that people reigns upon the earth , and the time is at hand , blessed is the man that waiteth for it , and blessed is he that is not offended in his coming , but is prepared to receive him in his appearing , which suddenly cometh upon all the world . and thus i have told you the lords present message unto you , which i received from him , and thus farr i am clear , and whether you accept it or reject it , my peace and reward is for ever with him , who am a subject of his kingdom , and a friend to this nation , however otherwise judged by ignorant men . the 9. mo. 1659. the end ▪ notes, typically marginal, from the original text notes for div a30536e-200 is meant here chiefely the new committee of safety * ( so called . ) a description of the state and condition of all mankinde upon the face of the whole earth. and a discovery unto all; shewing what man was in his creation before transgression, and what he is in transgression ... also, the way of restoration, of salvation, redemption, and of life eternal, is here declared ... that all may come to the knowledge of the creator, and to have fellowship with him again, from whom all the children of men are separated in the state of enmity, and are ignorant of him, and drove from his presence. this is to go abroad into all the earth, through the whole world ... that they ... may be restored again to serve, and worship, and glorifie the living god, who made heaven and earth, and all things therein. by ... edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a77944 of text r207530 in the english short title catalog (thomason e912_3). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 38 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 9 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a77944 wing b5998 thomason e912_3 estc r207530 99866575 99866575 118851 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a77944) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 118851) images scanned from microfilm: (thomason tracts ; 137:e912[3]) a description of the state and condition of all mankinde upon the face of the whole earth. and a discovery unto all; shewing what man was in his creation before transgression, and what he is in transgression ... also, the way of restoration, of salvation, redemption, and of life eternal, is here declared ... that all may come to the knowledge of the creator, and to have fellowship with him again, from whom all the children of men are separated in the state of enmity, and are ignorant of him, and drove from his presence. this is to go abroad into all the earth, through the whole world ... that they ... may be restored again to serve, and worship, and glorifie the living god, who made heaven and earth, and all things therein. by ... edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. [2], 14 p. printed for giles calvert, and are to be sold at his shop at the black-spread-eagle neer the west end of pauls, london : [1657] publication date from wing. annotation on thomason copy: "may 28 1657". reproduction of the original in the british library. eng man (christian theology) -early works to 1800. a77944 r207530 (thomason e912_3). civilwar no a description of the state and condition of all mankinde upon the face of the whole earth.: and a discovery unto all; shewing what man was burrough, edward 1657 7578 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 b the rate of 1 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the b category of texts with fewer than 10 defects per 10,000 words. 2007-04 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2007-04 aptara keyed and coded from proquest page images 2007-05 jason colman sampled and proofread 2007-05 jason colman text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-02 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a description of the state and condition of all mankinde upon the face of the whole earth . and a discovery unto all ; shewing what man was in his creation before transgression , and what he is in transgression ; how he is become a degenerate plant , bringing forth curled fruit , to the grieving of the good husbandman , who is thereby provoked continually against the works of his own hands , to destroy that which he hath made , because it is defiled through mans transgression . also , the way of restoration , of salvation , redemption , and of life eternal , is here declared unto all the sons and daughters of adam in the whole world , that all may come to the knowledge of the creator , and to have fellowship with him again , from whom all the children of men are separated in the state of enmity , and are ignorant of him , and drove from his presence . this is to go abroad into all the earth , through the whole world , as a call and visitation unto all mankind , that they may hear and consider their condition , and may return from whence they are fallen , and may be restored again to serve , and worship , and glorifie and living god , who made heaven and earth , and all things therein . by one who hath measured and viewed in true judgement the condition of all mankind , who is a lover of souls , and a friend to the creation of god , known in england by the name of edward burrough . london , printed for giles calvert , and are to be sold at his shop at the black-spread-eagle neer the west end of pauls . this is chiefly to go abroad into the dark parts of the world , among those called heathens most especially ; but its service reacheth to all men and people upon the face of the earth : and out of love unto the creation , and to all people in the world was it written , and is it brought forth in publike , that all that have ears to hear , may hear ; and it is to be translated into several languages by any who are moved of the lord thereunto ; for of a truth the lord is risen among us , and god hath given the word from his mouth , and many are they that publish it abroad through the world . to all the world , and all people upon the face of the earth without exception . to all the sons and daughters of adam in the whole world , this is the word of the lord god , the power that made you , and that made heaven and earth , and all things therein , your state and condition consider , how that you are all drove from god your maker , and from the knowledge of him and of his wayes , which are life and peace , and are in darkness , blindness and ignorance feparated from that power that made you , and in the enmity against it , and are enemies to it in all your wayes and words , where the sorrow , anguish , wo and trouble is : but the second adam , the lord from heaven , the power by whom all things were made , who is called christ jesus , hath lightned every one of you with the true light which shines in your hearts in darkness , to give you the understanding of the knowledge of him that made you , and of his salvation and redemption , and of eternal life , if you love the light with which you are all lightned : and first , the light measureth every mans state in true judgement , and with it you may all see your selves in the state wherein you now stand which is a state separated from god , and the state wherein man was created , which was blessed . therefore search and consider your state and condition in the light of the world , of the dust of the ground were you made and into man vvas breathed the breath of life from the living power vvhich formed all things , and man vvas made a living soul , and vvas brought forth into the world in the image and likeness of the power that made him , every one in particular that be come into the world , for male and female in the image of the creator created he them , without sin or evil ; & man was a noble plant , vvholly a right seed , planted vvith the choicest vine , & placed in paradise , the garden of the creator , and there vvas set to bring forth fruit , & to glorifie and honor him by whom man and all creatures vvere made ; for man vvas made perfect and upright , set in the councel of his maker without sin , or spot , or evil in his sight , and was the glory of the creator , and was made for his glory ; and power and wisdom vvas given unto man to rule and govern in dominion , in righteousness and in wisdom over all living creatures , and was lord over all things , and had rule and authority over all the creation , and was steward over all things whom the creator had made , who made all things for man , and made them subject unto him , to be ordered and governed by him , and used to his glory by vvhom they were made ; and in that day when man was in the councel of him that made him , and was subject to his will , he was blessed above all creatures , and unto him was all creatures blessed , and not any thing was evil that was made , but good in his sight that made it , and good unto man that vvas to use it , he being brought forth in the image of the creator , and had a measure of his wisdom and his power to teach him , and to lead him in the exercise of all creatures , and was in perfect freedom over all things , to rule in the wisdom of god . and this was the state of man before transgression , which state vvas blessed , and not subject to the curse of misery , or sorrow , nor trouble , nor torment ; but man disobeyed the power that made him , and went from its councel , and contrary to its will , and grieved it , and vexed it till it became his enemy to fight against him , and to curse him ; for he had transgressed against it by feeding that part which should not with the knowledge of things , and so became vvise , and lost uprightness , & touched that which the povver that made him had forbidden ; & so his mind & heart adulterated from the creator into the visible glories , pleasures , and things which were less then himself ; and so he became unprofitable to his maker by transgressing against him , and onely profitable to himself to seed , and nourish , and delight , and please himself in the outward creation , and forgot the power that made him ; and thus being vvith his mind turned into the earth , there the evil entred and the devil overcame him vvith his temptations , & the power of the earthly darkness gained dominion over him to svvay his affections , desires and lusts , into vanities of the earth , and he lost his dominion over the creatures ; and they gained dominion over him to serve and vvorship them , and to please himself with them who became captive vvith his mind , to be ruled by them in vanity and in evil : and thus man became unprofitable to his maker , and unfruitful in the garden , and kept it not undefiled ; and being turned from the covenant wherein he was set , into his own willing and desiring in the outward creation , the evil defiled him , and he became evil , and a fruitless tree that cumbred the ground , and an enmity was placed in him by disobedience , and all things became evil to him , and the door of all misery and sorrovv was opend , & let in the curse upon him invvardly and outvvardly , for he became dead in transgression to the life , and povver and vvisdom of the creator and every moment vvas subject to dye to this world also . and through transgression of the povver that made him he vvas cast out of the creators garden , and out of his love , to labour under the curse in unprofitable ground ; and also out of his ovvn dignity , and honor , & dominion vvas he cast , & became heir of death , and child of wrath , and enemy in his mind unto the creator , and an enmity vvas placed in him against the povver that made him , & rebellion in his mind from vvhich all the works of unrighteousness proceeds , & innocency vvas lost , & man became hurtful to himself & to all creatures , & grieved continually the povver that made him , & vvas drove from the presence & feeling of his creator , into insensibleness : and in this state unto this day are all ye sons & daughters of the first adam in the enmity against the povver that made you , every moment transgressing it ; & death reigns over you all , & the povver of darkness rules in you all , & the lavv of sin , & death , & transgression are you all subject to & led captive in your minds , affections & desires , at the vvill of the povver that leads into transgression , called the devil ; & in that state you are all strangers to god , & are vvithout him in the world , & ignorant of the knovvledg of his ways , and are in the perishing state for want of knowledge , and subject to the curse of the power which you transgress , and are heirs of his wrath , having no part in the inheritance of blessing ; for a vail of darkness through sin hath overspread you all , and covered you all from the sight , and hearing , and feeling of the creator , and of the mystery of his glory and wisdom ; and every one in particular , and none excepted of all the children of adam upon the face of the whole earth , but all have sinned and transgressed , and death reigns over all , and blindness of heart hath possessed all , and all have fallen short of the glory of the creator , & all men are concluded ( by his spirit ) to be under sin , and children of wrath , and heirs of corruption , and in disobedience & rebellion to the life that gives all men a being ; the whole world , & all people in it , without exceptions of tribes , generations , or nations , this is the state & condition of all the sons of men ; all flesh hath corrupted his way upon the earth in his sight that made it ; and the wickedness of man is great in the earth , and the imaginations and thoughts of every mans heart is evil continually , and grieveth the creator ; for the whole earth is filled with violence through mans trnsgression : and now if any stock or age hath priviledge one above another , to redemption and salvation , and to the kingdom of peace and glory , but jew and gentile , wise and foolish , noble and ignoble , male and female , all people without exception are in transgression , and by the line and measure of true judgement are shut out from the knowledge of life and salvation , and of the inhheritance of the father , in that state of enmity wherein every man in the world is fallen into , and by one the offence came , & so death upon all men , which reigns in the hearts of all , and opposeth the life of the creator , and every one is imperfect in the sight of the lord , blind , deaf , dumb , lame and without the sence of the power that made him and brought him forth , his eye sees not , for it is covered with a vail of darkness ; neither doth the ear hear , for it is stopped ; nor the tongue speak , nor the understanding pecceive any thing of the secrets of the lord , but all are separated and divided from the tree of life , and are cast out from his presence by whom the world was made , into blindness of heart , and to the loathing of your selves , and are more ignorant of your maker then the ox is of his owner , or the asse of his masters crib ; for you know not him that gives you life and all good things , and that upholds you by the word of his power ; and this is his word unto you all , you are all under the power of satan , and subject to his wil , acting in iniquity and in evil , bringing forth the fruits of death from that ground in which you now stand , which is cursed , and your maker hath no pleasure in it , for your fruits grieves his spirit that made you , and vexes his soul which brought you forth ; for man is degenerated into the plant of a strange vine , and brings forth wild grapes and cursed fruits which is of a bitter taste unto the lords soul , who planted all things for himself , who is the good husband man ; but the whole earth is currupted , and all mankind in it , and man is not now acted , nor led , nor ruled in his heart by the power that made him , which gives him all good things ; but the power of satan , the serpent , the old dragon , which deceived from the beginning who is in the enmity against the life of the creator ; he acts man , and rules man , to the abuse of all creatures , and to his own destruction , and every particular man is liable to the wrath , and to the curse , and to everlasting wo , and misery , and tormeut from his maker , in that state of disobedience whereinto all mankind is fallen , not one upon the face of the whole earth excepted from transgression , and so from misery ; nor none priviledged one above another unto happiness , but as i have said , male and female , who was made in the image of their maker in the first creation ; but now every man in the whole world is in the enmity against the life of the power that made him and is a child of wrath and shut up in blindness and unbelief under the devils power , which power abode not in the truth , but is out of the truth , and all mankind is left in this condition without help , or helper , or deliverance , or means , or way of salvation from himself or any other creature upon the face of the whole earth but is a sheep without a shepherd , straying and wandering in the thoughts of his own heart , after vanity , and that wherein there is no profit to the lord , nor to his own soul , but death and sorrow in all his wayes , having forsaken the fountain of living waters , and gone a whoring after other lovers , and defiled himself , and so brought destruction upon himself by his own doings , who abounds in all evil , lying , theft murder , envy , strife , stealing , and whoredom , and such like which are the fruits of the ground that is cursed for mans sake : but now unto all people , the sons and daughters of adam , the first man that ever vvas made ; though you be thus fallen into misery by transgression , and helpless from your selves , or from any other creature , yet hath the living god , the povver which made you , and which you have transgressed against , ordained and prepared a way to be restored and healed , and to be brought to the injoyment and feeling of the creator from the disobedience , and from the curse and misery , unto the blessing and happiness ; and unto all mankind in particular , is prepared a way out of death unto life , out of the loss which every man hath received in transgression , to salvation , and redemption , and deliverance out of the captivity and bondage , which all is fallen into , into liberty and freedom , to serve his maker , & to glorifie him , for he hath not been served nor glorified , but grieved and vexed by all men on the earth ; and so he hath brought misery and the curse upon all , by forsaking them , and leaving them under the power which made them not , to be led and guided by it in rebellion unto destruction . and now this same power by which man was made is mans restorer , and deliverer , and redeemer and saviour , though he have transgressed against it ; for vvhen there vvas none to help nor to save of any creature upon the face of the earth , the arm of that power vvhich made all things stretched forth its self to save the creatures vvhich vvas made ; and that same povver vvhich is trangressed is the redeemer of all mankind , though it is offended , and burdened , and pressed as a cart vvith sheaves by transgression against the creator ; and that is the povver vvhich vvorks out salvation and deliverance by slaying the enmity , and condemning iniquity , and removing the cursed ground out of mans heart , that the evil fruits may cease vvhich it brings forth ; and by this povver all must be saved that ever are saved , and delivered from wrath. and this all men have been ignorant of , and not felt , nor knovvn , nor tasted of the life and povver of the creator , though it hath been near unto every one , and all men and creatures lives , moves , and hath their being by it , and sustenance from it , and yet man transgresses it , and grieves it , and is not led by it . therefore all people upon earth consider your condition and state , and hearken to the power that made you , a measure of which moveth in the hearts of all mankind upon the face of the earth ; and it moveth against the evil , and against the defiled and transgressing part in every mans heart that is come into the world ; and this power by which all men was made , and which they have transgressed against ( a measure of it from the father is made manifest to all mankind upon the face of the earth , and convinceth of the evil , of murder , and adultery , and such like , and condemneth the works which are evil in every particular man , whether heathens or christians ( so called ) and unto all people ; here is the way to be restored into covenant with your maker , a measure of his power in you , secretly moves upon you , and calls to you to return to it , to be led and guided by it in fear , and obedience , and subjection to it , from which you have been driven , and against which you have transgreded ; and this power the creator hath sent his son into the world , and given him a gift unto all mankind , & he hath given light and understanding to every particular man to know good from evil ; truth from a lye , right from wrong ; justice from injustice , and equity from falshood ; and this power of the son of god in you , doth witness to you , and accept you , when with it you be guided , and vvhen according to it you speak and act ; and it justifies the good , and the right , and the equal , and excuses all men in that from condemnation ; but against lying and wrong dealing , and deceit , and injustice it testifies ; and when you do these things , you transgress against that power that made you , which should save you , and justifie you , and excuse you , and with it you are accused and condemned , and it brings trouble upon you , and the curse of misery and sorrow ; and this power in you will search your hearts , and try your reins , and let you see your thoughts , and make manifest unto you the state and condition of mankind , who is become enemy to his maker , in following that which brings death , upon which the wrath remaineth till there be a returning unto the power by which man was made , a measure of which ( as i have said ) moveth in the hearts of the sons and daughters of adam in all the world : and now if every one of you do turn your minds from the world , and from the glories and vanities thereof , and from the evil which hath possessed you in thoughts & actions ; and if you stand still for a moment from willing and desiring to your selves and after the world , this shall you find secretly moving in you , which shall draw you towards the creator to enjoy him , and to see his glory , which none that are still in transgression against him can ever partake of , or behold ; and if to that you hearken within you , and heed it , and follow it , which witnesseth to that power that made you to be great , and mighty , and wonderful , this will shew that you are short of his glory , and it will condemn evil in you in all thoughts , and words , & actions , which proceedeth out of the cursed ground in which the creator hath no pleasure ; and this will take away the vail vvhich is spread over you all , and open the blinde eye , and unstop the deaf ear , and bring you to hear , and see , and understand the things vvhich are eternal , which belongs unto your peace ; and if you all come to be guided by that which moves in you against evil , it vvill lead you up to its self to be renewed and changed ( out of the evil , and from under the devils povver , under which every man bath been subject , which povver hath been out of truth ) into the image and likeness of the creator , and to be restored to his inheritance to enjoy peace and rest for ever . and this is the word of the creator of heaven and earth to you all , and to all mankind , this is the way unto redemption , and salvation , & unto the blessing , out of all sorrow , and troubles , and afflictions , and torments , and vvoes and miseries , vvhich is the portion for ever of all that disobeys this power which moves against evil in you , which is the power of him that made all men and things which moveth in your hearts against all that which the creator never placed in you , but w● are fruits of darkness . i say unto you all . this power in you must you own and believe in & follow , and be guided by it , and bear its condemnation and judgement upon all that which is contrary to it ; if ever you be restored to the blessed state , and all anger , and wrath , and murder , and lying , and dissembling , and whoredom , and drunkenness , and brutishness , and beastliness , and wantonness , and backbiting , and theft , and all these things whatsoever must be condemned in you , for who acts these things , are enemies to the creator , and is led by the povver of darkness which is the destroyer of you soul and body , and the cause of the curse upon you , and the ground of all sorrow , and sufferings , and afflictions , and troubles which comes upon that part in you which is in transgression against the power of god , for there is a birth born of the flesh which brings forth , and goes after fleshly wayes , fleshly joyes and delights , and pleasures , and fleshly words and vanities , which murders the just , and blinds the eye , and grieves your maker ; and this birth must not inherit eternal life , but all that ever doth inherit must be born again of another seed , and into another nature , where all the former things is passed away , for all glories of this world will wither , and all your joyes and pleasures will come to an end , and you will be left miserable and wretched . therefore oh earth , earth , and all the children of adam in the whole world , be awakened , be awakened and stirred up to consider of your state and condition , for the creator of all things is risen to gather his people up to himself , and his voice soundeth abroad through the whole world ; if any hath an ear to hear , let him hear ; terror and vengeance is against all the rebellious , and to the judgement must all come before the maker of all things , to be judged by him according to the power which moves in every man , which is just and equal , and witnesseth in equity , which is a measure of the power that made the world , and all mankind unto it shall confess , to its greatness , to its justness , and to its authority ; and to it must all the children of adam bow , and before it tremble , and he that hath done good , and lived in meekness and soberness , in the truth , and in justness , in all that which is good , & not in any evil , shal receive life , peace , rest and glory from the righteous judge , the power by whom the world was made , and he shall be excused from all condemnation ; but he that hath done evil , and transgressed against the power of god by which he is upholden , who is degenerate , and brings forth rudeness , wildness , and wickedness , he shall receive tribulation and anguish , and be deprived of happiness in this life and for ever ; and all who doth not own the measure of the power of the creator in you to be guided by it , such doth neglect and reject the day of your visitation , and shuts your selves out from the glory of god , and are unworthy of life and peace ; but all that owns this , and are subject to it , the power of his son , who is the maker of all things , and doth follow it , this will reconcile you , and stay the enmity , and bring you into unity with the creator , and this will lead you out of darkness out of death and evil , and all the wayes thereof , and will save you from all the effects thereof , and you will be excused and justified in the sight of the creator . therefore all people upon earth consider , this is the day of your visitation , the way of life and of death is set before you , the way unto peace , and the way of trouble ; prise the day of your visitation . this is to go abroad through all the world to all the sons and daughters of adam ; it is a warning from the creator and maker of all things , by a friend unto all people , and a lover of their souls . here is the estate and condition of mankind described , whereby in the sight of the world all may come to understand how all the sons & daughhters of the first adam are degenerated , and subverted , & fallen from the state wherein man was created in the begining , who was blessed of his creator , being brought forth in his own image and likeness , to rulin dominion over all living creatures , and to use them to the glory of the creator ; and in that day man was not subject te the curse of misery , or sorrow , or vexation , for that door wo not opened for the curse to enter , but man was altogether blessed in the state wherein he was brought forth , until by disobedience unto the power that made him , another power gained dominion over him , even the seed of enmity placed it self in mans heart , which prospered by mans rebellion , and became a great tree of bitterness , bringing forth much fruit in the hearts of all the children of adam , to the vexing , & grieving , and dishonoring of the spirit and life of god the creator , even to the making void of his purpose in creating man , who created him for his glory , but man disgraces him , and dishonors him altogether , and brings forth fruit not accepted , but grievous , and of a bitter tast , and the lords soul hath been pressed as a cart with sheaves , under mans transgressions , who have backslided and revolted , and turned aside for a thing of nought , and have cast himself down from his excellency of dominion into shame and dishonor , daily provoking the long-suffring of the lord , and wearying his goodness , and he hath been provoked to cut off the works of his own hands , which satan hath entered into , and defiled , and made loathsom and abominable to the maker ; for satan hath made man barren of all good , and fruitful in all evil , and he is vvholly subverted into another end in all his works , then wherefore he was created ; he that reads let him understand ( the creator of all things planted a vineyard , with the choicest vinr , his own image ) and he dressed the vinyard , and watered it , and he came to look for fruit in the season , and behold the vinyard was degenerated into strange plants , and brought forth onely wild grapes ; and sower grapes , and crossed the expectation of the good husbandman , for the fruit of the vinyard was loathsom to him , of an ill smel , and of a bitter taste , and his soul was not satisfied , but grieved , who laboured for himself , that he might gather . fruits of the plants which he had planted with the choicest vine ; but behold , his vineyard ( all mankind ) was barren of good fruit , and no pleasant fruit could the husbandman reap to himself , but the vines were degenerated , and all brought forth wild grapes , and sower grapes , which the good husbandman hath no pleasure in , but is vexed thereby ; for his vinyard is barren of all good fruit , and the fruits of unrighteousness hath abounded , whereby the good husbandman is provoked to fury and indignation against the vinyard which he had planted , being become degenerate plants , and strange slips ; this is a parable , and describeth the condition of all mankind ; if any have ears to hear , let him hear , and read himself how he was planted with the image of his maker , but is now degenerated and turned aside from truth and righteousness , from all good , and from the wayes of peace , out of the love and pleasure of his maker , and is now in all evil , in deceit and unrighteousness , and in the wayes of sorrow and trouble , and in the makers displeasure ; and the seed of enmity ruleth in him , and is suffered to be king in the wrath of god , and must be taken away in gods displeasure and anger ; for that is not the annointed of god , but is in rebellion against his authority , and breaks his law , and transgresses his commands , and must be condemned into perdition ; for all cursed fruits doth spring forth from that seed , to the vexing and grieving of the lord god , injustice , oppression , deceit , hypocrisie , falsheartedness , lying , murder , whoredom , theft , envy , bitterness , perversness , devouring one another covetousness , idolatry , and all manner of evil which gives an ill savor , & a corrupted taste , and a loathsom sight in the presence of the lord god , who made all things . oh how abominable are all the wayes of man become-unto his maker , who hath nodelight in any of his ways , nor pleasure in any of his works ! oh how is the lord grieved , and his soul from day to day oppressed , and his long-suffering provoked by the ways and works of his creatures which he made for himself ! but they are become the devils , and subject to the power of the enmity ; & all mans works are brought forth in that nature which is evil , and out of that ground which is cursed ; his good works are not accepted , and his evil deeds are condemned , all which springs forth of one root of bitterness and enmity , which is in the displeasure of the creator : oh earth be awakened , and all ye sons and daughters of adam , call to mind your state and condition , and repent , and return before destruction , when no time of repentance can be found . hearken to instruction , and let your ears be open to hear ; here you may all hear and understand the way to restoration to be restored and recovered out of this condition , and out of this enmity , and from under this curse of misery and destruction ; for a way hath god prepared unto all mankind , and is making it manifest unto the whole earth , that the sons and daughters of adam may again know their maker , and have fellowship with him ; and this way is but one , which is ordained for all people upon the face of the earth , of what tribe or nation soever ; and all that comes to the knowledge of the creator must walk in this way , which is called christ jesus , who is the son of the creator , the second adam , the lord from heaven , the power and vvisdom of the creator , and by him all things was made , and without him was not any thing formed that was brought forth ; he is the restostorer , the redeemer , and the deliverer ; for he connot be overcome of the evil , but overcometh and treadeth down all the powers of darkness , and death , and the devil , which riseth against him in all the world ; and the creator hath so loved mankind , though he hath transgressed against him , and grieved him , yet he hath given his son into the world , into all nations , without respect of persons or people , to be the saviour of all that believe in him , and receive him , that they may come out of death and darkness , from under the devils power , and may be translated , and changed , and renewed out of sin , and death , and ignorance , and rebellion , and out of the kingdom of the devil , into truth and righteousness , and into the kingdom of god . and this restorer , and saviour , the power and vvisdom of the creator , hath lightned all mankind , every one that cometh into the world is lightned by him , that every one may follow him , and be guided by his power and wisdom ; and every one that doth receive him , sin and iniquity , and transgression is condemned , and the seed of the enmity is cast out by his power , which is revealed against all unrighteousness , and he subdues it , and works it forth of the hearts of all men , and so reconciles man again to his maker , to have fellowship with him ; and this restorer , the second adam , comes to be revealed within every man , who executes true judgement upon the transgressor , and bindeth under the rebellious nature , and death and condemnation passes upon the seed of enmity and all its fruits , upon the devil and all his works , upon him who is born of the flesh , and all his wayes , his joy is turned into mourning , his pleasures into sorrow , his glory and rejoycing into sadness of heart , and the life which he has lived comes to be crucified , & the ways which he hath walked in comes to be hedged up , and no more followed , and his strength is turned into weakness , and all his ways and pleasures fadeth and perisheth , and the birth which is immortal comes to be brought forth , which is not of this world , but heir of the creators inheritance , who hath no glorying under the sun , nor no pleasure in the glory of this world , which passeth away , but lives unto god in all things , and brings forth fruit unto the father , and is replanted into the living vine , and is leavened into a new lump , and placed in the garden of god , all the old garments are put off , & old things are passed away , the devil is cast out , the blinde eye is opened , & the vail is taken away which hath been spread over all , & the deaf ear is unstopped , & man is again returned unto his maker , & hears , & sees , & understands the things which are eternal , which belongs to his peace ; the fear of god is set up in his heart , and gods secrets are revealed unto him , & he is become the glory of his maker , to praise him , to glorifie him , & to magnifie him for evermore , being restored again unto gods image , & guided with his power & wisdom , & have received dominion and authority from his maker to reign & rule over all creatures , & to be exercised in all things to his glory by whom they were made ; he is not in bondage to any creature , but in liberty over it , & the creatures are become his servants , & he servant to his maker , & the earth yeilds its encrease unto man , the curse is removed , & the blessing restored in the covenant of peace and righteousness , where all creatures comes to be injoyned ; the covenant of death and hell being broken and disannulled , where the curse stood ; & standeth in all the world , where the restorer of the second adam is not received , who moveth by the measure of his power against the evil in the hearts of all men , & he knocketh at the door of the heart , that he may be received , and come in and dwell with the children of men , whose delight is with the sons of men ; & every one that openeth unto him , & hearkeneth to his cry who calleth by the light , & moveth by his power , by him they receive life and peace , and sulness from the father , and are raised from death to life , & redeemed from under the power of satan to the power of the creator , all evil in the ground and in the fruits , judgement goes upon it all , and condemnation ; & thus mankind comes to be restored again to god his maker , to be the children of god , and heirs of his inheritance , and is no more of this world , but redeemed by jesus christ out of kindreds , tongues , and people , out of respect of time , place , creatures , or things , and sees through all creatures , to be before the world was , beyond all the glory of this world , to the glory of the lord ; and here is the praising , the singing , & rejoycing , the living & walking in that life which cannot change , & in the world , of which there is no end ; and here a greater glory is known then the first mans glory , a greater state then that which was overcome of the devil , a greater dominion then that which was lost ; this dominion never can have an end , death is swallowed up of life , all sorrow and anguish is swallowed up of rejoicing , all tears are wiped here , and there is no more sorrow , the quickning spirit is felt and witnessed , which hath quickned again to god , and god tabernacle is with men , and his dwelling place with the children of men , and that is felt and seen , and tasted , which was before the world was , before any creature was made ; and the whole world is comprehended , and mans state in his first creation is here known , what it was ; and mans state in transgression is also known , whiat it was , and mans state restored again , is also witnessed , and the difference sperceived betwixt the first adam , which was overcome of the devil , though he was innocent and without sin , and bore the likeness of his maker , and of the second adam , who cannot be overcome of the devil , whom satan hath nothing in , who is the express image of the creator it self . he that hath an ear to hear , let him hear ; eye hath not seen , ear hath not heard , it hath not entered into the heart of man that which the father hath revealed by his spirit ; things not lawfull to be uttered , of which there is no declaring , that which is infinite , endless , eternal ; and in this i shall end . london the 6. of 3. mon. 1656. finis . two general epistles, or, the breathings of love uttered from the pure life, to the wholeflock of god in england, scotland, and ireland, and all other places whersoever this shall come, greeting : being a wholesome exhortation ... / given forth by by that faithful servant of god, who, though he hath lately laid down the earthly body, yet he lives with his maker forever, edvvard burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 1663 approx. 44 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 12 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. text creation partnership, ann arbor, mi ; oxford (uk) : 2004-08 (eebo-tcp phase 1). a30559 wing b6052 estc r6045 12271149 ocm 12271149 58251 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30559) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 58251) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 861:28 or 2605:1j) two general epistles, or, the breathings of love uttered from the pure life, to the wholeflock of god in england, scotland, and ireland, and all other places whersoever this shall come, greeting : being a wholesome exhortation ... / given forth by by that faithful servant of god, who, though he hath lately laid down the earthly body, yet he lives with his maker forever, edvvard burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. 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ascii text with mnemonic sdata character entities); displayable xml (tcp schema; characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or text strings within braces); or lossless xml (tei p5, characters represented either as utf-8 unicode or tei g elements). keying and markup guidelines are available at the text creation partnership web site . eng society of friends -great britain -doctrines. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-01 aptara keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-04 mona logarbo sampled and proofread 2004-04 mona logarbo text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-07 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion two general epistles ; or , the breathings of love , uttered from the pure life , to the whole flock of god in england , scotland and ireland , and all other places whersoever this shall come , greeting . being a wholesome exhortation , tending to the gathering , uniting , and establishing of all the faithful every-where , into that which is eternal . given forth by that faithful servant of god , who , though he hath lately laid down the earthly body , yet he lives with his maker for ever . edvvard burrough . london , printed for r. wilson , 1663. the first general epistle , &c. forasmuch as in these our days , the god of truth hath made manifest his name and truth in the hearts of his people , and hath gathered the minds of thousands into it , to worship him in the spirit and in the truth , in which he is accepted ; and of this truth ( which is but one , and there is not another ) are we made witnesses and ministers of , and have the testimony in our selves that we are of god , and are a good savour unto him , in them that believe , and in them that perish ; and we have the testimony , that he that is of god heareth us , and we know the whole world lies in wickedness ; and who are in the truth , in the light , and in the life , have fellowship one with another , in holiness and righteousness , in that which comprehends the world , and condemns all the works thereof , which are evil ; and this truth , worship and fellowship stands in christ jesus the second adam , whose kingdom and rule is not of this world , but from heaven , who according to his promise , in his counsel hath made known his power , to the raising up a righteous branch , a royal priesthood , and peculiar people , zealous of his name , to shew forth his praise and glory , in justness and righteousness , in love , mercy and peace , and works of purity , having our conversation in heaven ; and since that day of the manifestation of this truth of the gospel of peace and salvation , which is the same now as was in the beginning , which is in christ jesus the light of the world , who is the same yesterday , to day , and for ever , and changeth not ; i say , since that very day hath the lord prospered his truth , to the renewing of many into his image and likeness , and to the turning of many from darkness to light , and from satan's power to god , by the mouth of his ministers , and through great sufferings , and tribulations , oppressions , afflictions , and labours , hath the lord honoured his name and his truth in nations , and given it a praise among all that fear him , and hath honoured it , and exalted it in the sight of the heathen , to the confounding of the wise and mighty , and to the bringing out of the captivity of darkness , sin and death , wherein in times past all have walked , while strangers from the life of god , so that thousands who have received the truth , are established in it , and cannot be moved nor shaken , but are built upon the sure foundation , their faith standing in the power of god , with whom the arm and presence of the lord god is , defending and preserving continually ; and unto such the truth is precious , and the way of the lord , his name , and honour is dear , yea , more than life or liberty , or any other thing which passeth away ; who for the truths sake , as it is in christ jesus , do daily give up themselves to suffering , and to reproach ( for well-doing , and not for evil ) and love not life unto death , that the lord god and his name and truth may be honoured ; so that in that truth which is received and learned of the father , daily do we walk , in all purity and holiness of life , answering the mercy and love of the lord , in the exercise of a pure conscience both towards god and man , in patience , long-suffering and wisdom towards all , to the putting to silence of gainsayers , rendring love and mercy towards our persecutors , and are set in our hearts to fulfill the will of god in all things : and now whereas ( that the scripture may be fulfilled ) some may and have denied the truth , which once was received and loved , to the making shipwrack of faith and of a good conscience , abusing the mercy and grace of god which to them appeared , and follow the counsel of their own hearts , and not of the lord ; having lost the feeling of the spirit of the father , and are and may be separated from us ( in the self-separation ) through an evil heart of unbelief , that it may be made manifest they are not of us , though they arise from among us , and may by disorderly walking contrary to the truth , cause the truth to be evil spoken of , giving occasion thereby to the enemies of god to blaspheme his name and truth in the earth , and may be a stumbling to the weak , and an offence to the way of the lord before the simple , thorow their disorders and confusions , raising the rage of the wicked against the lambs of christ , being not led in the wisdom of god , but in confusions , taking liberty to their own hearts desire , fulfilling the will thereof , without the fear of god , above the cross of christ , in the nature uncrucified , and speaking high words in the presumption , and not in the light and power of god , and acting in the vanity of the mind ( in the pretence of truth and the moving of the spirit ) such things as truth and the children of it , who are guided with the spirit , cannot justifie , but is judged , and denied , and cast out from among the children of light , who walk in the truth , and do try the spirits whether they be of god. therefore in the fear of the lord god this is written , to go abroad among friends and others , to inform and shew unto all , that the truth , and we that are in it , ministers of it , do stand clear from all such , who act and speak out of the truth , and contrary to it , in the disorder and confusion , and not in the fear and counsel of god ; and with the truth such are judged , and denied , and fellowship with them we have not , nor their works do approve ; though such once owned us , and were convinced of the truth , and received the seed of the kingdom into the unprofitable ground , yet being separated from us , and gone out from the truth , are not subject to it and its government , but are unruly and disorderly ; we and the truth do such deny , and the spirit that rules them , being not the spirit of christ jesus ; and such have done evil against their own souls , and against god , and are troublers of the righteous seed , and have and do dishonour the lord and his truth , in the sight of the heathen , causing the right way to be reviled , and reproached , and evil spoken of , through the offence by them ; to the making sad the hearts of some , whom god hath not made sad ; and even more especially , in that they pretend to the truth in their words and works , and professes to be in it , yet secretly condemning , and openly reviling the ministers of righteousness , which god hath blessed , and doth daily bless with his eternal power , to the turning many unto god , and to the strengthening of the weak and feeble , which we with many do witness , to be the ministers of life and reconciliation , and there is no other , and are established in it , and cannot be moved by the temptations of the devil , though the wicked-one may revile for a moment , to winnow some , and to try them , and to draw the hearts and minds of others into a snare , out from the obedience to christ jesus , which do become mockers , and despisers and subverters of the simplicity of the gospel of peace , and of the ministers and ministry thereof , which is the power of god unto salvation , and there is no other , though some harden their hearts through unbelief , and blind the eye till they be past feeling , through rebellion against the truth , which they hold in unrighteousness , and not in the power of god , having made the offence of the cross to cease , yet boasting in the liberty of christ while they are unmortified , having run from the judgment , and not truly come thorow it , in the finishing of condemnation ; and that spirit that goes out of the cross is subverted , and seeks to subvert others from the truth as it is in iesus , and that spirit is denied fellowship with , though it have conformity in the hypocrisie : wherefore this is the word of the lord god unto you , that erre after that spirit , be awakened , be awakened , remember and repent , and come to your first work , to that which condemns you , lest the lord by his hand of wrath and judgement upon you , make you an example of misery and destruction , to all that shall hereafter deny the lord and his truth . hear and consider , to the light in you all i speak ; have you another truth than that which hath been known and declared from the beginning ? is there any other way to life , than which we have been witnesses of , who have not handled the word of god deceitfully among you , nor sought yours , but you , nor preached our selves , but iesus christ ? and hereof we have the witness in our consciences , in the holy ghost . and is there any other salvation than that which god hath manifested , which is christ iesus the light of the world ? be awakened and consider ; wherefore then do you separate your selves disorderly , and resist the word of life , which once begot you towards the lord ? consider what you are doing , and whither you are walking , the end of your way is perdition , and that is accursed which preacheth another gospel ; how do you dishonour the lord in the sight of the heathen , before whom you discover your nakedness , and your shame doth appear , having put off and cast aside your armour and weapon of truth , whereby you might have been defended ; but scorners and fools take occasion through your disorders and confusions , to blaspheme the name of the lord , and it is through you : oh be stirred up and consider , and search your hearts , and come to the tryal , ye that vex the lord's soul and grieve his spirit , lest it cease to strive with you , and you be wholly given up to fulfill wickedness , till there be no place nor time of repentance found . and this is a warning to you all in the presence of the living god , that you may return to your first love , to fear before the lord , and to walk in his truth , if there may be mercy , and to fulfill his will , which is the light which you are lighted withall by christ iesus , who is the lamb of god , the way , the truth , and the life , the author and finisher of faith , and there is not another ; and know this , you that deny him , who is given , yea unto you all , he will deny you before his father ; and of all your blood i am clear thus far , whether you resist or receive , who am the lover of your souls , sometimes loved of you , while you were lovers of the truth ; and am now a witness for the lord and his truth , and against that spirit which leads you in the rebellion against the government of christ , which is order and peace , out of which you have erred , to the piercing of your own souls ; and though you now exalt your selves against me , and the truth , and boast your selves as though you reigned , yet in the day of the lord , shall the light in you all , which now is darkened , bear witness to me , and of my faithfullness in reproving you ; and the truth is for ever dear to me , and my soul delights no less in it , though you rebel against it , in the heady , exalted , presumptuous , high , wilful spirit , which is not subject to the government nor authority of the ministry of christ ; but truth is over you all , and the mountain of the lord is established above you all , and all your words , and works , and boastings , and feignedness , and disorder , are denied , and in them we have not fellowship , but the contrary ; and do in the authority of the lord , even by the same authority which hath begotten us unto god , and called us , and carried us in his work unto this day , deny you all , in that ground and state wherein you stand , till repentance and returning from whence you are fallen , to the light which christ hath lighted you withal . and all faithful friends , this is the word of the lord god to you ; hear and fear , walk in the truth which ye have heard , and learned , and received of the father , in it dwell and live , and know there is no other than that which is made manifest , which is sure to you all , and cannot deceive nor be deceived ; and be not shaken in mind nor troubled , though some deny the lord , but let their fall be a warning to you , to be more watchful , to be kept to the lord , lest you be tempted : and dwell in the mountain of holiness , which no beast can touch , where is a hiding-place to preserve you in the time of tryal ; and i charge you all in the presence of the living god of life , let your minds be setled , and hearts stayed in the truth , which is the foundation of god , and know the armour of god to gird you up to god , where no offence is taken against christ , nor against the way of truth , but the power of god doth remove that which would be offended , and tramples upon that which gives the offence , and in this you will be preserved until the day of salvation ; and be aware of that spirit which boasts above the measure , and of that which makes the offence of the cross to cease , for there hardness of heart and unbelief enters , and so another is followed than the light , and another joyned to than christ jesus , and there is the way to perdition ; who go from the light within them , they deny god and his truth , and follow the imaginations of the foolish heart , and run in rashness and in the frowardness , and that ground receives the unclean spirit in again , with seven worse , and the laiter end is worse than the beginning ; and this truth doth not change , which is the begotten of the father , but is the same for ever : so in it all be faithful and fruitful to the father in your places and callings , shewing forth in all wisdom and pure conversation among your enemies , to the putting them to silence when they speak evil of you ; and be examples of holiness one to another , that the lord god may dwell among you , and may never have cause to withhold his presence from you , which is life and peace , and rest for ever : and believe not every spirit , but dwell in that which discerns spirits ; and if any say , lo here , or lo there is christ , go not after them without you , for you have not been so taught ; but know the christ of god , the lamb of god within you , and follow him , and obey his voice ; and be established all of you , on this sure foundation , whom god hath laid , & no man can lay any other , and if you build thereon and thereby , you shall never suffer loss , but your work shall abide the fire , and in the father's house your bread you shall receive , and never shall hunger nor thirst , but the life will be refreshed and encreased daily , and your lamp will alwayes shine , and you shall never be darkned , nor stumble ; for that which stumbles is out of the truth , and the ground stands to receive the seed of satan , who is a devourer of the simplicity , and the betrayer from the truth ; therefore i charge you all in the presence of the living god , that you hold fast the faith and hope which you have received through the gospel , that you may never be moved from the grace of god , and from the love that hath abounded in you , but may be found watching in the door , with your light shining when the bridegroom cometh ; and , behold he cometh quickly , and his reward is with him ; blessed are they that tarry for him . this is the testimony of my love unto all the seed of god , who am as a deceiver , and yet true , as not known , and yet well known unto the lord. e. b. the second general epistle , to all the saints whom god hath called . to all the children of light every-where , who fear and love the lord , who are begotten of god , and unto whom he is known in the spirit and in the truth ; this is a testimony of the father's love unto you . grace , mercy , and peace from him that liveth for ever . the god of light and life be multiplied in you all , that you may daily be renewed in strength , and girded with truth , and armed with the whole armour of god , and may be kept by his power until the day of salvation , to walk in the government and subjection to jesus christ , witnessing the power and presence of god in you , and amongst you , giving you power to fulfil his will in all things ; and that in all righteousness , and out of all evil you may be led , and preserved unto the end , and in the end , to shew forth the praises of god in this generation , as a people called of him , and redeemed by him for his glories sake ; even so amen , and amen . dearly beloved , be not ignorant , but this know , this is the message which came unto you , which is true and faithful , and everlasting , that the true god is light , and in him is no darkness at all ; and this is the message of peace and reconciliation , and of glad-tydings unto all that have sought the lord , which we received of him , and you have heard , and there is not another to be declared ; and all that have received it , are gathered up to god , and are in covenant with him , and one with another , and are in that which reconcileth and joyneth unto christ jesus , the husband and second adam , who is the lord from heaven , the prince of peace , the saviour and the deliverer , who is made manifest in power , and condemneth the transgressor , and slaveth the enmity , and raiseth the life out of death ; and this is he who kills and makes alive , even the god who is light , who brings down one , and sets up another ; who makes war against the mighty , and gives peace to the poor , and besides him there is none ; he searcheth mans heart , and tryeth the reins , and knoweth the thoughts , and every creature is manifest in his sight , who gives to every one according to his doings ; and this is he who standeth in the congregation of the righteous , even in the midst of us , and sitteth judge among the gods ; unto him must all the gods of the earth bow , and the inhabitants of the earth must tremble before him , and unto him every tongue shall confess , and the light in every man shall answer when he ariseth to judgement , who is a swift witness to condemn or justifie all the children of men upon the face of the earth . this is the god of truth whom we worship , and who will be worshipped in spirit and in truth ; who is the god of abraham and his seed for ever , and with him there is no change nor shadow of turning ; and he hath made known his name and his power , and his wonderful works in this his day , and hath caused his voice to be heard in the earth ; and the dead have heard , and now live . and his name is exalted on high amongst all that fear him and obey his voice ; and he hath given his son a covenant of light , who lighteth every man that cometh into the world with the true light of life , or condemnation ; that all who receive him may come to the knowledge of the father , whom to know is life eternal . and this is the christ , the saviour , in whom we have believed , and which we preach , who is the way , the truth , and the life , the foundation of god which cannot be moved ; the word of god is his name , and there is no other name given for salvation : this is she that was dead , and is aliue , and lives for evermore , and there is no other to be looked for ; if any preach any other , let him be accursed ; and if any bring any other message , let them not be received . and all you who have believed in this christ jesus , who is the light of the world , and who have received the knowledge of this god , who is light himself , and that searcheth your hearts , i exhort you , and warn you all in his presence that lives for ever , to wait upon him , and to fear before him , and to walk with him for ever in uprightness of heart , which is of great price in his sight , and forget not his righteous judgements which he hath made known , lest you wax fat through mercies , and rebel against him , and become disobedient and gainsaying , and so be destroyed from being a people ; but be stayed upon the lord , and let your hearts be established with grace , and be not tossed nor shaken with any wind of the doctrines of men , which is not from the life of god , nor reaches to the life in you , but begets into idolatry , to worship other gods than he who is light ; and be not troubled at temptations nor sufferings , nor at reproaches , nor any other thing , but stand in the counsel of god , and in his long-suffering , and wait patiently upon him in your own measure of the grace of god received , which is sufficient to preserve you , that victory over death , and over him that hath the power over it , you may receive , to trample upon all that which is contrary to the life of god within you , and without you ; neither be you troubled nor offended in christ if any among you deny the lord , and backslide from his pure way through an evil heart of unbelief , and so become disobedient children , and vex the righteous soul ; such shall bear their own burden and condemnation in the day of the lord ; and know , that truth changeth not , but is the same for ever , though the deceitful hearted through unbelief depart from it , and choose their own wayes , and despise the counsel of the lord , to their own destruction ; but be ye more watchful , faithful , and valiant for the truth upon earth unto the end , that you may be found faithful witnesses unto the name of the lord in this crooked generation , and may receive the fulfilling of the promise of god , and may witness god with you , the emmanuel , the saviour , god with us ; and this is the whole salvation , and there is no other to be expected or witnessed than this , that god dwells in us , and walks in us , according to his promise ; and all that know this , need not go forth to the right hand or to the left , but salvation is come unto us , he that takes away sin , and saves from it , and from condemnation ; and they who witness this , are begotten by the word of god , and born of the immortal seed , and are new creatures ; and there is now no condemnation , but the reward of righteousness and peace unto us , who are not in the flesh , but in the spirit ; and here we witness the lord is our god , and we are his people , and he sees no sin in us who are born of him , nor remembers iniquity ; but his covenant is with us , and the kingdom is become the lords , and his dominion is set up , where god is all in all , where the prince of darkness is cast out ; and this is the end and substance of all ministrations , which we bear witness of : and i do exhort all you who are called of god every where , patiently to wait in the way of the lord , and in his judgments to receive this , and to possess it within you , that you may be worshippers of god , and doers of his will , and may have the witness that you are accepted of him , and may know your calling and election sure , where nothing that defileth can enter , but that may be taken away and removed ; and him you may feel and witness , which satan hath nothing in , who is the second adam , and cannot be overcome , but is greater than the first adam who was overcome ( though innocent ) and is lost from the presence of god ; but he in whom there is no sin , and who cannot transgress , comes to seek and to save that which was lost in sin , and to bring back that which was driven away by sin ; and he is greater than innocency , and overcometh the devil , and is called the son of god ; and to him that overcometh , who is the light of the world , is all power given of the father ; and know him in you all to be the greatest , who is not of the world , nor cannot bow to the devil , to give you dominion and authority over all the world , and the powers of hell and death , even he who sealeth up the old dragon in perdition never more to deceive ; and they w●● witness this , know the election which it is not possible to ●●ceive , or be deceived ; and as every one of you have received him who is the lord from heaven , so let your faith stand in him , and walk in him ; and let all your conversations be ordered by him , in all pure and blameless walking in the sight of your enemies , that it may be manifest that you are branches in him , and that you have received power to become the sons of god , and that you are heirs of the inheritance which shall not fade away . and all you that witness this , your eye is opened to see god , and you are cleansed from sin by the word of god , and you have received the peace with god , and glad-tydings from him in your own souls ; and this is salvation by the second adam : herein be established and setled , and look not for another ; for there is not any besides this saviour and this salvation , but if any preach another , believe them not ; and if any cry , lo here , and lo there is christ without you , go not after them nor follow them , but know him within you , which is greater than all ; yea , if we our selves , or an angel from heaven , preach any other iesus than he which lighteth every man that cometh into the world , or any other salvation than god with us , let us be accursed ; for this is the gospel of our salvation , christ iesus within us the hope of glory , the power and wisdom of god to rule and reign in us , by which we are changed from death to life , and translated from the power of darkness into the kingdom of his dear son. and now all friends and elect of god , who are called and faithfull , you that have received this testimony which god hath given of the son , and which the son hath given of the father , which in faithfulness hath been testified in this generation , i exhort you all in the fear and counsel of the lord , take heed to that which you have believed , and heard , and learned of the father , which is the truth as it is in jesus , and shall abide forever ; and be not removed from your hope , nor given to change , but mind the life of god in you all , which is immortal , and is but one , and it answereth to the lord in judgments , and in mercies one to another in that which is righteous and just , and witnesseth against all the works of the world , which are evil , and not wrought in god. ye that know this which is of the father in you , dwell in it , and walk in it , and be not shaken out of it , nor removed from it , for it is the way of peace unto everlasting rest , where there is no sorrow , but righteousness , peace and joy in the holy ghost ; and every one in particular have salt in your selves to savour withal , that you may resist the wicked-one in all his temptations , and may not joyn to any thing which is out of union , and contrary to the life of god , and to the truth which you have received ; that you may never be betrayed of your hope , nor of the simplicity which is in christ jesus , in which the father is well-pleased ; and let the light of the world guide you in all things , that your works may be wrought in god , never to be condemned , nor you to suffer loss ; knowing this first , that none are justified by him but them that are led and guided by him ; and to whom he is a saviour , he is also a teacher , and he is given to teach in all the wayes of truth . and now let your fellowship be in the power and life of god , and know not one another in words onely , and in shews , and in outward appearance , but witness one another in the spirit and in the truth , and have communion there in breaking the bread of life , that christ iesus may be seen to be the head in you , and you members to serve him , and one another , all receiving wisdom from the head , and vertue from the vine ( christ iesus ) that you may abound in love , mercy and peace , and all the fruits of righteousness unto the father , and dwell in the fear and counsel of god , and be subject to his will , not despising the cross which is the power of god , which slayes the birth that is born of the flesh , which is not heir of the promise ; but walk in the cross daily , that your understanding may be kept open to try and discern all spirits , whether they be of god ; and believe not every spirit , for lying spirits may arise among your selves , and go forth from the light , who are not in the truth , but in the feignedness and hypocrisie , with false visions and lying imaginations , handling the word of god deceitfully , corrupting and perverting the pure way of god , having the form , but not the power , having left the power , and gone from the light ; and such utter the words of truth without the life , and is but as the chaff to the wheat , and they are to be denyed and resisted , and not joyned to , lest innocency and simplicity be betrayed , and your faith made void , and so you be destroyed from the life of god , and death surprize you , and darkness enter into your dwellings , and so unbelief , doubtings , murmurings , and lustings after evil arise in you , and you be perverted from the worship of the true god , and grieve his righteous spirit by bowing to idols , and following of other lovers , and so the true god , which hath brought you out of egypt , and made manifest his power in you , be forgotten , and the faith of his son made shipwrack of , and your latter end be worse than the beginning , and the name of the lord be dishonoured by you ; and then wo be unto you , his wrath shall suddenly break out against you : wherefore hear , and fear , and hearken unto the word of the lord , he hath caused his light to shine forth , and his voice to be heard ; he hath proclaimed his name among you , and hath caused his marvellous light to approach , when you sate in darkness in the land of the shadow of death ; when you were lost , he sought you ; and when you were driven away and scattered , he found you , and brought you home ; when you were in your blood , and no eye pittyed you , he had mercy upon you , and bound you up , and healed you ; when you were dead , he said unto you , live , and it was so ; when you were led captive by the devil , under the power of death , he brake the chains , and set you free ; and when there was none to help and to save , his own arm brought deliverance and salvation , and the way of life and peace he set before you . and now all this hath his own arm accomplished , that you should be a praise unto him for evermore ; and if you walk in the way which he hath set before you , and keep his covenant which he hath made with you , and fulfill his will , and walk in righteousness , in love and unity , in meekness , lowliness , humbleness , and in soberness and watchfulness , and in fear of his name ; then shall his presence never forsake you , nor his out-stretched arm cease to defend and preserve you , but he shall go before you , and be your reward ; and he shall be your god , and you shall be his people ; and you shall dwell in him , and he shall be your hiding-place ; and he will be to you a father , and you shall be his children , and his blessing and peace shall remain in your habitations for ever and ever : but if any of you turn aside for a thing of nought after vanity , and deny the way of righteousness , and forget the lord , and kick against him , and follow the way and counsels of your own hearts , and worship other gods , and joyn your selves to strangers , and commit adultery with other lovers , and make the cross of christ of none-effect , and turn from the light of christ within you , and fulfill your own wills , and the desire of your own minds , and go out of the fear of the lord into the liberty of the flesh ( which is not the liberty in christ jesus ) and so seek your selves , and strive for mastery to be one above another , and so surmise evil one against another , and the bond of peace be broken , and vain contention and strife appear ; then shall the rod of god smite you , and his wrath be suddenly kindled against you , and you shall not prosper , but his countenance shall be hid , and the terrors of the lord , and lamentations shall possess you , and peace shall flee far from you , and such shall be cast out of the camp of the lord , and shall have no part in the inheritance , but the blessing shall depart , and the curse shall enter till utter destruction ; yea , and if any of you deny the lord , unto whom his way is made manifest , he will deny you , and you shall have no part in him , but vengeance in flames of fire will he render upon the disobedient , manifold more than if his love and way of peace had not been made manifest to you , and the light of the world is your condemnation for evermore , if you turn from it . and in the presence of the living god , i warn you all , believe not that spirit , neither follow it , which brings any other message than what hath been declared from the beginning ; believe not him which cryes , lo here , or lo there is christ without you , or that draweth from the measure of christ within you , to hearken to , or to be taught by any other thing ; for that spirit is not of the father , which preacheth any other christ , than he that is the light of the world , and lighteth every man that cometh into the world , and which bringeth any other message than that god is light in himself , and hath given his son a light into the world : and this is the true testimony of the father and of the son , and he that testifieth any other message , is to be judged and denyed ; he is not a worshipper of the true god , but out of the truth , and in the errour , and a deceiver , and being deceived . again ; believe not that spirit , neither follow it , which ministers to others that which it hath not learned of the father , but hath the words without the power , and lives not in the power of what it ministers forth in words , nor is not what it declares , but is in the outward shews , in the hypocrisie and feignedness , and reacheth not the life of god , but vails and covers it ; and that spirit is not of the father , but is to be denied and judged , and not received nor believed . again ; believe not that spirit , neither follow it , which is at liberty in the flesh , and makes the offence of the cross to cease , which is exalted out of the fear of the lord , in the liberty of the earthly , which crucifies the life , and darkens the eye ; and that spirit will boast of joy , and peace , and experience , and knowledge , and speak high words in the airy mind , and that would lead you out of your conditions to glory above the cross , till you be past feeling of the life ; and that spirit begets into feignedness and hypocrisie , and into the love of the world which passes away ; and beware of that spirit , for it is not of the father , but to be condemned . again ; believe not that spirit , neither follow it , which is hasty , and forward , and rash , for that goeth out of god's counsel , and betrayes the just , and strives to be greatest , and to be above the weak , and despiseth him , and would be master , and not a servant , and would rule , and not be ruled in the meek and lowly government of christ , and that spirit will judge out of thoughts rashly and unsavourily , and condemn another in secret in what it self is guilty of ; beware of that spirit , for it is not of god , but to be judged with the life of god. again ; believe not that spirit , neither follow it , which seeks it self to have praise of men , and to be accounted , and would beget into divisions , and would have parties to it self , and respects persons , and glories in gifts , and knowledge , and parts , more than in the giver , and admires men more than he that gives the encrease , and feeds of the knowledge in that nature which is to be famished , and glorieth in what hath been done by it , as though it had not received power from the lord , and is exalted as though it bare the root , not knowing that it is born of the root ; and that spirit spends its treasure which it received in the father's house , amongst harlots , and despiseth the poor , and seeks occasion to glory over the weak , that it may be renowned ; beware of that spirit i charge you all , for it is not of the father , nor to be followed , but to be condemned , and resisted unto death . again ; believe not that spirit , neither follow it , which preacheth not from the measure of god received , and to be manifest to it in you , and approved by it only , but speaks above the measure , and reaches ▪ not to the measure of the grace of god ; that spirit leads after words and outward shews , and cryes peace to the rich , and judgment to the poor , and the word of god is not divided aright , but heals up falsly , and daubs with untempered mortar , and cryes peace where god speaks war ; and cryes war where god speaks peace ; and that spirit is a deceiver and a betrayer , and feeds but the ear , and not the life , and darkens the counsel of god by words without knowledge , and is not of the father , but of the world , and to be denyed and condemned . again ; believe not that spirit , neither follow it , which is not subject to rule and order , and is not meek and diligent , and long-suffering , but heady , high and untoward , seeking occasions against the just , and watcheth for evil ; that spirit will not bear reproof , but is idle , sloathful and careless , surmising evil , and backbiting , and conforms in appearance , making a fair shew , but it is not unto god , as appearing unto man ; and that would go , and is not called ; and will not go when it is called ; and seeks for the praise of men more than god ; and that is fruitless ground , and brings forth bryars and thorns in secret , which choaks the seed of god : beware of that spirit , it is a lover of this world ; have no fellowship with it , for it is not of the father , but a deceiver , and is to be denyed . again ; believe not that spirit , neither follow it , which is tossed and unsetled , and is given to change , and is not established with grace ; that is an adulterer , and hunts for the precious life , and seeks by flattery to beguile the innocent ; that spirit is zealous for a moment , but is soon overcome , and is stony ground , and brings not forth fruit to perfection , but withers , and its latter end is worse than the beginning . that spirit is exalted into presumption , and in peace , and cast into desperation and trouble , and the double-mind lodgeth in it , and it is unstable in all its wayes , and is a ground for the seed of satan , and to it there is no peace from god ; and beware of that spirit , for it is not of the father , but to be condemned . again ; believe not that spirit , neither follow it , which is more zealous than knowing , whose zeal is without true knowledge , and stands in that which is corrupted ; that flourisheth for a moment , but cannot endure for ever ; it hath no root in it self , but is furious and passionate , and not long-suffering ; that spirit knows not it self , but would devour its adversary with bitterness , and not gain'd by long-suffering ; that is not the spirit of the father , but must be denied in all . again ; believe not that spirit which draws back into the world , into its lusts , liberty , and fashions which passe away ; that spirit forgets god , and draws back , for his soul hath no pleasure in it , but is vexed with it , where the cross is made of none effect , and the false liberty is walked in , which murders the life ; that spirit is of the devil , and is to be condemned . and now all friends of god every-where , who know him and are known of him , whom he hath gathered out of this untoward generation ; be diligent in your callings , and keep your meetings in faithfulness , waiting upon the lord , that you all may receive of his fulness to be filled with it , and may be nourished up unto himself , as trees of righteousness , the planting of his own right-hand , to spread forth his name and glory , as a people saved by him , and unto whom there is none like besides . and this know and understand , that spirit is not of the father which confesseth not the son to be come in the flesh , who destroyes the works of the devil , and takes away sin ; and that spirit believe and follow which condemns sin , and destroyes it , and takes it away , and so gives peace with god in your own consciences , and leads you into all truth , and keeps you from all evil : and you that witness this , the son you know , and the father you know to dwell with you , and in you ; and this is the first and the last ; believe in him , and follow him , and look not for any other ; and in this the father of life and glory , whose dominion is without beginning and end , stablish you , and preserve you , amen , and amen . i a beloved brother , and a companion unto all the saints in suffering , and in rejoycing , who have received this testimony from the father , do with it in this epistle salute the whole church in the love of the father , as moved of him by his eternal spirit , who beareth witness to me that we are of god , and the whole world lies in wickedness , and that all that are of god heareth us . and this testimony i give of the father , and of the son , and of the truth , and of the salvation of which i am made a witness , and against all that ever shall deny it , or turn from it : and this is thus far the words of my testimony by the spirit of the father , not knowing when the time comes it may be finished , and the night may come when no man can work : edward burrough . the end . post-script . forasmuch as many who are partakers of the father's love , manifested in his son in measure , in whom these epistles have found greeting , with the same love in the upright-hearted , to which it is a sure testimony of love from life it self , to the quickning , strengthning , confirming , and arming of all such as have in the love , life and power , heard , received and believed the truth , as it hath been declared , and is in iesus , in whom our faith is standing ; which faith worketh by the love shed abroad in our hearts , wherein we are reaching after each other in the sameness of love , which is the bond of our unity , wherein we are called together to be joyned in the purity , power and life of one faith and love , therein to bear testimony ( as we have in our measures received ) to , and of the everlasting truth ; wherein finding these epistles of such manifold service to the whole body , both for instruction , exhortation , strengthning and forewarning , whereby there is or may be a safe arming against all deceit and deceivable spirits ; hence it is from the earnest love and desire stirred up in many here among us that are faithful , whereby this they put in print , that thereby the service may reach unto all who are worthy thereof in these nations , for to them is it sent , who are called of god ; therefore in the fear of the lord let every one of us , to whom this comes , walk worthy of the fathers love , grace , mercy and peace , whereinto we are called in one body , of which christ is head. a. d. the visitation of the rebellious nation of ireland. and a warning from the lord proclaimed, to all the inhabitants thereof, to make their peace with him before hislong [sic] suffering come to an end. with a lamentation over its unfruitfulnes and rebellion after so many visitations. and an exhortation to all the honest hearted, to meet the lord by repentance, while the patience of the lord continues. or the sealing of the lords testimony unto all sorts of people in that land, by his servants, after their several months sore labours, and travells, and sufferings therein, who loved not their lives for the seeds sake. also some particular papers, written in that nation, to severall sorts of people. i. a warning, to the heads, and rulers, and people of dublin. ... vii. an invitation to all the poor desolate souldiers, to repent, and make their peace with the lord, and their duty shewed them, what the lord requires of them. by them who are sufferers, for the seeds sake; waiting for the building of distressed sion: f.h. e.b. howgill, francis, 1618-1669. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a86654 of text r202550 in the english short title catalog (thomason e880_6). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 86 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 21 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a86654 wing h3188 thomason e880_6 estc r202550 99862791 99862791 114967 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a86654) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 114967) images scanned from microfilm: (thomason tracts ; 132:e880[6]) the visitation of the rebellious nation of ireland. and a warning from the lord proclaimed, to all the inhabitants thereof, to make their peace with him before hislong [sic] suffering come to an end. with a lamentation over its unfruitfulnes and rebellion after so many visitations. and an exhortation to all the honest hearted, to meet the lord by repentance, while the patience of the lord continues. or the sealing of the lords testimony unto all sorts of people in that land, by his servants, after their several months sore labours, and travells, and sufferings therein, who loved not their lives for the seeds sake. also some particular papers, written in that nation, to severall sorts of people. i. a warning, to the heads, and rulers, and people of dublin. ... vii. an invitation to all the poor desolate souldiers, to repent, and make their peace with the lord, and their duty shewed them, what the lord requires of them. by them who are sufferers, for the seeds sake; waiting for the building of distressed sion: f.h. e.b. howgill, francis, 1618-1669. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. [2], 38 p. printed for giles calvert at the west end of pauls., london : 1656. consists of several items signed by francis howgill and edward burrough. annotation on thomason copy: "may 23". reproduction of the original in the british library. eng society of friends -doctrines -early works to 1800. ireland -history -1649-1660 -early works to 1800. a86654 r202550 (thomason e880_6). civilwar no the visitation of the rebellious nation of ireland.: and a warning from the lord proclaimed, to all the inhabitants thereof, to make their howgill, francis 1656 16932 23 0 0 0 0 0 14 c the rate of 14 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the c category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2007-05 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2007-06 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2008-04 elspeth healey sampled and proofread 2008-04 elspeth healey text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-09 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion the visitation of the rebellious nation of ireland . and a warning from the lord proclaimed , to all the inhabitants thereof , to make their peace with him before his long suffering come to an end . with a lamentation over its unfruitfulnes and rebellion after so many visitations . and an exhortation to all the honest hearted , to meet the lord by repentance , while the patience of the lord continues . or the sealing of the lords testimony unto all sorts of people in that land , by his servants , after their several months sore labours , and travells , and sufferings therein , who loved not their lives for the seeds sake . also some particular papers , written in that nation , to severall sorts of people . i. a warning , to the heads , and rulers , and people of dublin . ii. an information to the heads , and the ground of the law laid down to the judges , and justices , and to all that handle the law through that nation . iii. an exhortation sent to the chiefe commander and his councell , and the just cause of the innocent laid before them . iv. the unjust suffering of the just declared , and their appeal to the just witnesse of god in all mens consciences . v. a challenge to the priests of dublin , to try their god , and their ministry , and their worships . vi . a discovery of the idoll dumb shepheards in that nation , and a lamentation over their starved , and strayed flocks . vii . an invitation to all the poor desolate souldiers , to repent , and make their peace with the lord , and their duty shewed them , what the lord requires of them . by them who are sufferers , for the seeds sake ; waiting for the building of distressed sion : f. h. e. b. london : printed for giles calvert at the west end of pauls . 1656. the visitation of the rebellious nation of ireland . alas , alas , woe is me for thee thou desolate nation of ireland , thou art to be pittied , and lamented , because of thy backslidings , and rebellion against the lord , thou abounds in iniquity , and thy transgressions cannot be numbred . o thou art a fruitlesse habitation , and barren of righteousnesse , and mercy , and true judgement ; even from the head to the taile , thou art corrupted , and thy wickednesse is marked before the lord : thy rulers , and teachers , and people , are all gone out of the way , and are disobedient children , having backslided from the pure wayes of the lord god , a deceitfull heart is found among them , and a lie is in their hand ; even the best of men are as a bryar , and the most upright among men sharper then a thorn hedge ; a cursed seed hath taken root in thee , and fruit of a cursed tast is abundantly sprung forth ; thou art turned into the degenerate plant of a strange vine unto god , and are become abominable in his eye ; thy vines brings forth a soure grape , and the lords soule hath no delight therein ; thou art altogether untilled , and thy flowers gives an ill smell ; thy inhabitants have set themselves to doe wickednesse , they imagine mischiefe upon their beds and brings it forth in the morning , cruelty is their weapon against the innocent , and hard heartednesse is their defence against the upright . woe is me for thee thou desolate nation , who hath rejected the counsell of the lord , and neglected the day of thy visitation , wherein the lord would have gathered thee , but thou wouldst not ; how often hath the lord spoken unto thee , and thou wilt not hear his call ? by judgement hath he spoken , and by mercy hath he drawn , but thou refusest to returne , and wilt not be reclaimed , but continues in thy rebellion against the lord , and forgets the work of his hand , in ages and generations past ; even since the beginning hast thou been a land of wickednesse , and a people of a cursed seed , drinking up iniquity as an oxe that drinks up water , and fild up the measure of transgression , till the lord was forced in grievous judgements to deale with thee , even his wrath in a day broke forth upon thee , and the fire of indignation was kindled in thee , and thy princes were cut off in fury , and thy inhabitants fell by the plague and sword in great numbers , and thou was given up to be a prey to thy enemies in thy treasures , and the cruell hearted took the spoyle , thou wast laid levell in the dust of deep misery and confusion , and thy lamentation and sorrow was heard among the nations , and the stroke of the lords hand was heavy upon thee , and his judgements was just upon thy head , and he gave no rest unto thee for many years , but thou wast as a trembling leafe and as a forsaken bough , and thou wast made desolate and comfortlesse , and misery girded thee about , and then thy stout heart was brought down into sorrow when the lord contended with thee ; but now thou hast ease from thy bitternesse , and a day of rest from thy sore trouble , yet hast thou forgotten the day of thy distresse , and art againe more abundantly exalted , and thy sins are much more encreased , the pride of thy heart is become equall with sodome , and thy transgressions are encreased to her number and thy rebellion against the lord is grown more high , and through mercies and deliverance art thou waxen fat , and now thou kicks against the lord , and in thy heart sayes , who is he ? o when wilt thou consider , what the lord hath wrought ? when wilt thou call to minde his just and righteous dealing ? who hast forgotten the day of thy former visitation , and is becoming more vile in the sight of the lord , by thy secret hypocrisie of deceitfull profession , then thou wast in thy open prophanesse , when thou layest naked in thy open sins . o desolate nation , the lord once and againe hath stretched forth his hands unto thee , in pitty for thee , and he sent his servants and witnesses to warn thee of these thy transgressions , and to call upon thee to awake thee out of thy carelesnesse , and he gave thee a glorious day of visitation , and free tenders of salvation , wherein thou mightst have made thy peace with him , and repent thee of thy sin ; and his servants were faithfull in thee , and lamented over thee , and gave themselves to be spent for thee , and gladly suffered the reproach of the heathen , and the cruelty of the wicked , that thereby thou mightst be reclaimed out of thy rebellion and wickednesse , and they gave their back to the smiter , and loved not their life unto death , nor prized not their liberty unto bonds , but diligently in sufferings , and labours , and perplexities , called unto thee , and through thy townes and cities proclaimed the visitation and message of the lord concerning thee , and was accounted as sheep for the slaughter , that they might finish their testimony to the gathering of thee , but thou wouldst not , but hast to this very day stopped thy eare from counsell , and hardned thy heart against reproofe , and contemned the day of thy visitation , and hereby added to thy measure of wickednesse in dealing cruelly with the lords servants , who rewarded them evill for good , and entreated them shamefully , and laid thy hand of oppression upon them , and rejected their message of glad tidings , and would not be instructed in the way of the lord unto salvation , but gave heed unto the false visions of thy lying prophets , and took counsel against the lord of thy inchanters , & persecuted the faithfull by unjust imprisonments , and dealt wickedly with the lords chosen , and made unrighteous decrees in thy wrath , and sealed them in thy cruelty , and made a purpose in thy heart to root out the seed of jacob , and to lay wast the lords heritage . o ireland , hereby in the name of the lord ( thus far ) i seal my testimony in faithfulnesse unto thee , and binds up my many burdens , and travells , and reproaches , and tryalls , and sufferings in thee , in a few words , which is the word of the lord concerning thee . yee heads , and rulers , that sits upon the throne , repent , and turne to the lord , from whom you are grievously revolted by wofull backslidings , a grievous sin have you committed , a grosse sum of hainous abomination is recorded against you , the righteous god will meet you in his judgements , and once more will appear in the fire of indignation against you , and your mountains of pride , and vaine-glory , and selfe-exaltation , shall be layed wast , as your enemies were before you , and as you have thought to doe ( to root out the seed of jacob , and to spoyle the tender grapes of the lords vintage ) even so shall it be done unto you , and your destruction cometh as an armed man , and you cannot escape , nor fly to hide your selves , from the wrath that cometh , which is kindled already to devoure the pleasant palaces of your wicked hearts delight . woe is me for you ; you that are exalted upon your mountaine of ease and liberty , having forgotten the rock from whence you are hewn , who were raised out of weaknesse to reprove the mighty , and gives not glory to the lord , neither considers what he hath done for you , but are become ingratefull , and disobedient children , and of a double heart and tongue , professing liberty of the pure conscience , but living in corrupt fleshly bondage , oppressing the just , and slaying the holy one , and neglecting the cry of the innocent , having made your fingers as heavy as your fathers loynes ; the hand of the lord is against you , and his wrath will break out upon you , who strengthens the hand of evill doers , and gives liberty in your dominions , unto the scum of the nations , to possesse your land in peace , and will not give place unto the seed of jacob , but fortifies your selves against him , and will not suffer him to inherit ; how full is your land of murderers , of drunkards , of lyars , and swearers , and of prophane persons , of sugitives , and vagabonds , and runnagades , who is protected by your law , to possesse in peace ? but in wrath have you turned your sword against the upright , and have made lawes to limit the spirit of the lord , and to uphold deceit . therefore repent of this your sin , who hath endeavoured to prevent the lord ; and humble your selves ye lofty , for the purpose of your hearts are broken , and a scattered seed remains in your dominions , which the lord will blesse , and which you cannot be able to suppresse , and as pricks in your eyes will it stand a witnesse against you in your hypocrisie , and cruelty , and the more ye lay yokes upon it , the more it will spring forth . therefore be wise ye rulers , and judges , and leave to imagine mischiefe , and lay your hands upon your mouths , and open them not any more , and turne in your minds to the light of christ jesus , wherewith you are enlightned , and it will let you see what you have done , and will set your sins in order before your eyes , and will justly reprove you , who have not done , as you would be done unto , but have cast the law of god behind your backs , and not regarded the call of equity , and if you love the light of christ it will change your mindes , and will bring you to repentance from sin unto god , and from the dominion of ●a●an unto the kingdome of christ jesus ; the light is your teacher if you love it , and will guide you in the wayes of god , but if you goe on in your wickednesse , it is your condemnation eternally , and shall seale to the justnesse of the judgements of god when they come upon you ; now you have time and a faire warning , prize the day of your visitation before the decree of vengeance be sealed against you , and repentance be hid from your eyes , lay it to heart , you are but men and not god , and your strength flesh and not spirit ; if you own the light it will manifest the will and counsell of the lord unto you , and give you power to act righteousnesse unto god , wherein you will be accepted ; consider , least you goe down to destruction , and there be none to deliver you . and unto all you that doe professe the name of the lord , and have got the forme of the saints worship in your imaginations , and have separated your selves into an outward conformity , without the power of righteousnesse brought forth in you , and would be called members of the church of all sects and sorts ; repent ye , of your hypocrisie , and stop your mouthes in the dust , for you are weighed in an equall balance , and are found wanting ; and are tryed by the searcher of hearts , the light of the world , and are found corrupted ; deceitfull are you in the root , and cursed in your branch , of deep and secret hypocrisie , pride and coveteousnesse , and the love and glory of the world , and fleshly exaltation abounds among you , as branches of the root wherein you grow ; and how can you bring forth good fruit out of your cursed ground ? your knowledge is bruitish and vaine , and your outward conformity is a wearinesse to the lord ; for you are found fighters against him , and opposers of christ jesus , and denyers and contemners of his light , by which he hath lightned every man that comes into the world ; you stumble at the foundation and builds upon the sand , one of you building a wall , and another daubing it with untempred morter ; your hearts are not upright with the lord , but flatters your own soules ; which of you hath denyed the world for christ , or what have you laid down for him ? in your vaine imaginations you worship god ignorantly , making his commandements voyd through your transgressions . you stand in the cursed nature , alive to the world , following the vaine delights thereof , resisting the way of the lord , through your wisdome , which is foolishinesse with god , you have the profession of the scriptures in your naturall knowledge , but you are without the life thereof ; out of the unity of the one spirit of life in severall meanings , and opinions , which is death ; and in vaine conceits are you scattered upon the barren mountaines , where your soules are starved , and strayed , in the cloudy and dark day ; and you are devoured under your dumb idoll shepheards , who are in cains way of wickednesse , and in the steps of all the false prophets , and of the scribes and pharisees , fulfilling their measure of wickednes and persecution , against them is the wrath of god kindled to consume them as stubble ; they preach for hire , and they divine for money , and they seek for their gaine from their quarter , and they run , and was never sent , and you are not profited by them , but are ever learning , and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth . awake ye professors , god calls unto you , give eare unto his voyce , come out of babylon and turne unto sion , that her desolate places may be builded , you wander abroad in the darknesse , groping as blind men , your profession will wither , and all your knowledge will consume away , and your righteousnesse is abomnation to the lord , your praying god hates , and your oblations is a wearinesse to him , for you are in the enmity against god , and the serpents head is not bruised . come down ye cedars , who are exalted above the crosse of christ , and make not a cloak of the saints words to cover your unrighteousnesse ; grievous is your idolatry , who have painted your selves with the likenesse of the saints life , and bows to the image set up in your imaginations , drawing near god with your mouths , but with your hearts going after your coveteousnesse : repent , the day of the lord is coming upon all flesh , and meet the lord , and prepare his way ; and bow your heads you lofty oakes , who saith in your hearts you are the onely people , but your lying hearts deceives you , and you are found naked and without a covering . all ye that desire after the way of the lord , of all sorts of people who are simple and honest hearted , whether prophane or professor , you have a day of visitation from the lord , yet stretched forth unto you , come ye unto the lord , and forsake all your lovers , lay aside your evill hearts which hath led you aside from the way of salvation , and now learne the fear of the lord , which is the beginning of wisdome , and mind the one thing needfull , which is of great prize , even the salvation of your soules , presse after , and come out of the broad way of perdition , wherein the world goes on to destruction , and enter into the straight way , where the unclean walks not ; cease from all the deceitfull wayes and worships of the world , and love truth , and walk in simplicity . cease from all your idoll temples , for god dwells not in them , but his saints are his temples , wherein he dwells and walks : cease from all your idoll worships , and feigned prayers , and praises , for god is not worshipped in vaine traditions , as in observing dayes , and times , and outward things , but in spirit and truth is he worshipped , and such he seeks to worship him , and a broken spirit and an upright heart is accepted with him . cease from all your idoll shepheards , and priests of baal , that preaches for hire , and divines for money , and seeks for their gaine from their quarter , for they profit not the people at all , who are ever learning while they live upon earth , and none able to come to the knowledge of the truth : therefore cease from man , and wait upon the lord , who is now risen to teach his people by his spirit in his way of truth and righteousnesse , in his peace and purity , where his blessing is received from his presence , which is with all that fear him . therefore awake , awake , out of darknesse , and love not to slumber in the dark night , which long hath ruled over you ; this is the day of your returne , and of your visitation , wherein the lord would gather you ; therefore resist not the love of the lord , wherein he calls you to repentance from dead works to serve him in righteousnesse ; but every one turne your minds inward to the light of christ jesus , wherewith every one of you is lightned , which light is it which convinceth you of sin , and lets you see your evill deeds , and whom you have served , and how you have spent your time ; the light shines in darknesse , and reveals unto you the secret intents of your dark hearts , and doth secretly reprove the wicked purposes of your minds : with this light in your consciences , your sins are written , and all that ever you have done is recorded ; and this light shall be the swift witnesse , of the condemnation of the wicked , in the day of the lord ; and by it all your works will be brought to remembrance , and your sins will be set in order before you , to receive judgement by christ jesus : and here is the free love and gift of god unto you , who hath given you a light to guide you in his way ; if you own it , and wait in it , it will manifest the judgements of god against sin in you , and will condemn sin in your flesh , and will reveal the righteousnesse of god to be your covering ; if you dwell in the light , it is your teacher , and way unto life eternall , and if you bring all your deeds to it , it will reprove every evill word and work , and give you discerning of things that differ it will manifest the secretest deceit of your hearts , and the windings of the serpent , and will be judge thereof , till unrighteousnesse be taken away , and a birth brought forth from above , and born of another nature and seed , which if you be not born againe , you cannot enter into the kingdome of god . therefore in the fear of the lord all consider , and search your selves , in tender love to all your soules i write : you must be judged in the flesh , that you may be justified in the spirit , and you must be made poor , and emptied of all your knowledge , and wisdome , that you may be filled and made truly wise . so if you believe in christ jesus the light , and life , of the world , your hearts will be cleansed by the word of god , which endures for ever ; and the covenant of peace will be established with you , where sin is no more remembred , being condemned , so now you have all time , this is to you all a warning , as i was moved of the lord . repent , the dreadfull day is at hand , and meet the lord , by confessing and forsaking your sins , and prepare the way of the lord , his coming draweth near , least his judgements come upon you unawares , and his wrath sweep you away in fury , and your nation become more cursed then the rest : all your applying of christs righteousnesse , while your selves are sinners , is to no purpose , for no hypocrite can enter into life , nor none that works wickednesse , hath eternall life abiding in them , but are in the death , which hath passed over all men , and the curse remaineth upon the disobedient , and all in the first nature are children of wrath . therefore every one wait in the light , that you may be changed , and take up the daily crosse of christ , that your own wills , affections , lusts , and desires , may be crucified , and you may become dead to the world , and may live unto god , in his nature and likenesse , that your souls may be satisfied therewith ; and all that hunger and thirst after righteousnesse , shall be filled with the true food . therefore wait , all you that fear the lord , and meet together in his counsell , and wait for his law that you may walk therein , and lay aside the works of darknesse , which are made manifest by the light , and also condemned , in all that come to sion . spend not your time in the vaine deceits of the world , nor follow not the delights thereof , for according to your works must you be judged in the day of the lord . depart from iniquity , and all the works of the flesh , pride , and coveteousnesse , lying , swearing , and double-dealing , and all the fruits of unrighteousnesse , let them be judged , and let the time past be sufficient that you have wrought evill , and now returne , and work righteousnesse in god , by the light , which all that lovees , works in god . and deceive not your selves , with a deceitfull covering , of selfe making , and selfe righteousnesse , professing the scriptures in your carnall minds , which was given forth by the spirit , and is not understood , but by the same spirit ; while the first nature stands alive in you , you cannot please god , but is in the enmity against him : humble your selves , and come down to the light ▪ and search your hearts thereby . woe unto the lofty , and high minded , who will not be instructed , but hates reproofe . woe is unto all lyars , and swearers , and whoremongers , and vagabonds , and prophane persons ▪ such cannot inherit the kingdome of god , nor enter to within the gates of the city , but are to be troden in the wine-presse of the wrath of god for ever and ever . therefore awake , awake , ye carelesse and unbelieving , and fear and tremble ye children of disobedience , who hates the light , and loves your evill deeds , and upholds your false prophets , whom god never sent , and will not own the lord to be your teacher , the light in your conscience is your condemnation , for this is the condemnation of the world , that light is come , and men hates it . so be you warned all people , the day of the lord is at hand , and now he calls , therefore hear his voyce , and hearken to his light , which is of christ , which onely is needfull to salvation ; and there is no other name given for salvation . and if you will not hear and receive this day of visitation , which in love appears unto you , you shall hear in the day of visitation of vengeance ; and behold the lord comes quickly , make straight his pathes ; the light is your teacher if you love it ; and your condemnation if you have it . written from london , to go abroad in the nation of ireland , as a visitation to all sorts of people , and is the sealing of the lords testimony unto that land , as moved of the lord , in love , and pitty , to lost soules , by edw : burrough . a warning to the heads , and rulers , and people of dublin . hear the word of the lord oh ye inhabitants of the city of dublin , ye rulers , and magistrates , governours , collonels , captains , and souldiers , and all ye people of the city , and ye inhabitants of the land of ireland , my word is to you all , saith the lord . oh thou city of dublin , in the day of thy calamity , when sorrow , fear , paine and tribulation was upon thee , when thou was compassed about with adversaries , who cryed ah , ha ! we will make thee as a plaine , and as a wildernesse , as we have done the rest of the nation : and they said in their hearts none should be able to deliver you out of their hands , but said , we will cut off and destroy at once , that our selves may be exalted ; i the lord who changes not , was as a fortresse , and as a bulwark about thee , and made thy heart couragious against them , and delivered thee out of their hands , even from a people whose hands was full of blood , and whose mercies were cruelty , and whose hearts were hardned against me , and had sould themselves to work evill in my sight , and counted it their glory to despise my name , and to abhor all righteousnesse in their hearts : and in that day when they opened their mouths wide , as a leviathan , to swallow thee up , and make thee a heap of stones , and a desolation ; then i made thy walls as iron , and thy gates as brasse , and thy batteries strong , and guarded thee , and compassed thee about with my strength , and i made thy face as an adamant against them , and delivered thee by my out-stretched arme , and by my power , out of their hands , and brake the teeth of thy enemies , and put a hook in their jawes , and brake them before thee as a potters vessell , and powred out my indignation against them as a flood , and my wrath as a stream swept them all away , and i gave their carkases to fall by the sword , and for the fowles of the aire to feed upon , and hath made them perish in my wrath , and cut them off in my sore displeasure , and made their names stink in the nations , and their princes are cast out as a withered branch , and are perished with the uncircumcised , and their glory and renown is turned into reproach and everlasting infamy , and are rotten and become as dung and as mire to tread upon in the streets . therefore thus saith the lord unto thee oh dublin , and to thy inhabitants o nation of ireland , take heed and beware least thou be lifted up in thy heart , and say , my hand hath done all this , but give glory and honour to me , saith the lord , who am the god of the living , who dwells in the light ; and now beware that the same root of bitternesse spring not up in thee , as did in them whom i cast out before you . and oh you rulers and heads of the people , i have sent to try you , and this i require of you , doe justice , love righteousnesse , and ease the oppressed , and take heed of seeking your selves , and your own honour , and glory , and renown in the earth , nor lord it not over your brethren , who have born a part of your suffering , and the nations , in the heat of the day : lift not up your selves as the gentile lords whom i cast out , who exercised dominion one over another , and did grind the face of their brethren , and made them as slaves , and intreated them shamefully ; and because of this i cast them out , and hath given their dominion to others , and their houses and lands you possesse , which you builded nor planted not . now therefore take heed unto your selves , and be of a perfect heart before me ; for my righteousnosse is to be revealed in the earth , and now i am about to declare my name , and my power and my glory will i reveal in the earth , and will poure out my spirit upon my sons and my daughters , whom i have , and will send abroad to publish my name , and declare my cousell to the ends of the earth , that the nation may know me , whom for many generations they have worshipped ignorantly . therefore be ye all warned , stint not me , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 not me the holy one of israel , saith the lord , by your power , nor make no law against me so as to think in your hearts to make me subject to any creatures will , for i am the lord who works , and who shall hinder ? and will bring my purpose to passe and none shall let ; therefore i say unto you , limit not me , how , where , by whom , and when i must speak , for i have chosen the weak things to confound the wife , the mighty , and the honourable : and now i will be no longer flattered with words , but he that is of an upright heart will i honour , and he that seeks himselfe will i abase ; therefore now while you have time prize it , and neglect not the day of your visitation . and oh you rulers , uphold not these by a law whom i have made the people of my curse , who have devoured gods heritage , and have flattered the nations , and their princes , and their rulers , and have sought themselves , every one seeking for his gaine from his quarter , for with them , above all , my controversie is against , and my wrath shall be accomplished upon them , for they have caused my people to erre , and they that said they have spoken in my name know me not , therefore my people is lost because there hath been no vision among them : but now saith the lord , a stem is sprung up , and the star of jacob shall arise , and the earth shall be filled with light , and my righteousnesse shall flow as a stream ; and my glory have i , and will i to my servants reveal , who have denyed and doe denie themselves and follow me , unto them is my will revealed . therefore hearken oh ye people , and give eare thou nation of ireland , and all your people from highest to the lowest , thus saith the lord , though thou be parched , and thy skin peeled off thee , and become as a wildernesse , and as a reproach , and as a lamentation for all that passe by ; thy walls i will build , and thy breaches which is as the sea will i make up , and thou shalt be no more a proverb , nor a reproach , nor a hissing to the nations , and to all that passe by ; for because of unrighteousnesse the land said i wast , and gave it to the spoiler ; so now if thou wilt hearken unto me , i will repsenish thee againe , and the remnant that i have spared shall be blessed ▪ therefore all ye people give eare , and take need of lying swearing , cursing , drunkennesse , coveteousnesse whoredom , drunkenness , hypocrisie , dissimulation , and worshipping strange gods , for those and many more abominations that was committed among the people , i cast them out , and made them a reproach , and executed my wrath upon them . therefore fear me , who am near , who inhabites eternity , and dwells in the light ; i am near , saith the lord , and my light is revealed in your consciences , and there mind my light which convinceth and shews you every one your sins , and love it , and bring all your deeds to be tryed by it , and there you will see me revealed in righteousnesse , to all you that waite upon me , and keep your selves from the pollution of the heathen , and so the way of righteousnesse you will know as you hearken unto me , saith the lord , who dwells in the light , which is the life of men , and searcheth the hearts of the sons of men by the light . therefore unto the light take heed , this is present with you , in which god manifests himselfe , here is all your teacher loving it , here is your condemnation , hating it , as christ saith who is the light . so all people of the nation , i have cleared my conscience unto you , as i was moved of the everlasting god ; and so be you all warned , least the same thing come upon you as did upon them whom i cast out and trod under foot , saith the lord . dub. 16 of the 6 month , 1655. a lover of your soules , and one that hath borne with you in suffering , and shall rejoyce with you as you own the lord , who hath visited you , called after the flesh , francis howgill . an information to the heads , and the ground of the law layed down to the judges and justices , and to all that handle the law in that nation . all ye heads , and rulers , and judges , and counsellours , and all you that sit in counsell together in the seat of justice and judgement , from whom the law doth goe forth into the nation , and all you that handle the law take heed to your selves , for the living god of power is judge of you and over you all , to you all i speak the word of the lord , without respect to any of your persons ( but is a lover and respecter of righteousnesse , and true judgement , and justice ) that i may stand clear of your blood , for god hath laid it upon me to give you warning , which if i doe not your blood will be upon me , and if this you refuse to hear and obey , your blood be upon your selves for ever . christ jesus is the light of the world , the true light , which lightneth every man that comes into the world , and by which every one of you is lightned , which light , if it you love and be guided by , it will lead you out of the worlds way and nature and unrighteousnesse , and will give you an entrance into eternall life and peace , and an assurance in christ when this world ceases to be , and in this world it will teach you how to serve god in righteousnesse in your generation , and to give righteous judgements and counsell among your brethren without respect of persons , for the law of god respects no mans person , nor justice regards not the person of the mighty ; the light of christ jesus in all your consciences , and in all mens consciences , is just , and one with christ , and one with the law of god , in its measure , and condemneth the unjust and all works of wickednesse , who against it doth act ; by which light every one of you being guided , your own consciences in particular will be exercised towards god and towards men , and by him you being ruled and judged will know how to rule and to judge for him in the world among men , who are required for god to rule and judge in righteousnesse and equity , and none can rule for god but who are ruled by him , with his light which shines in the conscience , by which you being governed , will by it governe in the earth righteously . you are not to judge for gifts and rewards , for if you doe you judge not for god but for your selves , and you and your judgement is to be judged and condemned with the righteous law of god which is free but such who fear god and hates coveteousnesse and gifts and rewards , are to bear rule , and such will handle the law righteously , and will be a terror to evill doers who doth not fear god but acts contrary to the light of christ in their own consciences , and so transgresses the just law , and brings themselves under the guilt and so under condemnation , and such a government will stand for the praise of them that doe well and encouraging of the upright , but if such bear rule and handle the law which know not god nor is not ruled by him , these will abuse the law , and will be a terrour to righteousnesse and good works , and will strengthen the hands of evill doers and will let vice and wickednes escape unpunished . this i speak in love to all your soules , to the informing of all your minds , that you may know your place and how to exalt justice and judgement ; the light of the son of god , by which every man is lighted , is but one in all , just , righteous , and equall , the same in him that hates it and transgresses the righteous law , as it is in him that loves it , and judges all transgressions . and this light of christ , by which all men is lightned , is the seate of justice and of true judgement , and the ground of all good wholsome laws , and every law that is contrary to it is for condemnation by it : therefore i say , waite in the light , by which you are lightned , to receive the pure law of god to judge all causes by , and make no law in your own wills , nor act not in such laws made by the will of man , for such laws is oppression , and tyranny lodges in them , and false judgement , and such god hath and will cast out , who acted from that ground . so be ye warned by their fall , and judge not after your own thoughts , nor sensuall carnall wisdome , nor follow not your own wills , nor the counsell of your own hearts , but stand in gods counsell , and fear his name , and tremble at his presence , and waite to be guided by him in his holy law , which all unrighteous counsells , and vaine affections , and false judgements will condemn in your own hearts , & then you will truly know how to judge your brethren in equity & righteousnes , how to reward well doers , & how to punish evil doers according to the measure of their transgressions , and according to the light in their own consciences , by which they being convinced from your law of the evill of their transgression , will confesse your law and judgement to be just and equall , and you to be righteous judges ; here you judge for god , and bears not the sword in vaine , but is a terror to transgressours , and to the disobedient , and lawlesse , against which the law was onely added to slay unrighteousnesse , but it was not made for the righteous whose consciences are exercised towards god and towards man , by the pure law of god written in the heart , and upon such and over such your law hath no power , for they are one , and in union with that law which is righteous and doth witnesse the justnesse , and goodnesse , and holinesse of it , but if you make a law in your own wills , and judge by such a law , then you will make the innocent suffer , and oppresses them who walks in the law of god and in the exercise of a pure conscience , christ was put to death by such a law , and the saints in all generations was persecuted by such laws which was made in the will of man contrary to the will and law of god ; therefore take heed to your selves least god hew down you and your law together , and condemn you by his righteous law eternally , which law of god needs not to be made but is made already , and to be witnessed by the light in every mans conscience to justification or condemnation , and is revealed in all that love righteousnesse . so take heed what you doe , and know your place and the length and breadth of your law which is committed to you , which is to keep the outward man in good order , and the nations in peace and truth , and from theft , and murder , and adultery , and fighting and quarrelling , and drunkenesse , and wronging one another , and such like ; such who acts these things walks contrary to the light , and so brings themselves under the penalty of the law ; but over the inward man your law which is outward hath no power to bind , to limit , or to tie too or from any way of worship in religion , but let religion defend it selfe , and lay not your law upon the conscience to exercise dominion over it , for it is christs seat in whom he will rule , least you be found tyrants and numbred for destruction , nor limit not the spirit of the lord how , when , where , and by whom it must speak , for the holy men of god in all ages ever cryed against such laws as was contrary to the law of god , and did limit the spirit of the lord , and against such rulers as did judge false judgement , and for gifts and rewards , and against such priests and prophets as preached for hire , and divined for money , and sought for their gaine from their quarter , and made a prey upon the people , and through coveteousnesse made merchandize of soules ; therefore be ye warned , if such you uphold by a law which acts those things which the scripture declares against , which the holy men of god gave forth by his spirit , the scripture which you professe shall stand a witnesse against you , and the law of god will condemn you , and god will lay your honour in the dust , and cast you out of the seat of judgement , as he hath done the power of the king & bishops before you , but judge the cause of the poor & needy , of the widow & fatherles , & joyn mercy with judgment , and lay your swords upon oppression and all tyranny and wrong dealing , that the land may be cleansed of evill doers , and equity and righteousnesse may flow down , and the nation in good order may be kept in peace and righteousnesse , and so god will establish you among his children , who are taught of him alone , and are far from oppression , to the light of god in all your consciences i doe speak which if you make laws contrary to it , and judge contrary to it , it is the eternall condemnation of you , and of your lawes and judgement . and remember you are warned in your life time , and my conscience is cleared to you , and in the day of the lord you shall witnesse me to be true , and this to be the word of the lord to you , whether you will hear or forbear . written to you by a friend of righteousnesse and true judgement from the spirit of the lord , as moved of him in love to all your soules , to go abroad among the heads and rulers and judges in dublin and else where through the nation of ireland , from one who is called a quaker by scorners whose name in the flesh is , edw : burrough . written at dublin the 23 of the 8 month , 1655. and now o ye heads and rulers , happy had you been if you had taken the counsel of the lord , and submitted to have obeyed his word , which came to you as moved of him , but in that you have neglectted , & have made laws in your will , & exercised lordship over the conscience , and have limited the lord , and have purposed to be a terror to good , and strengthned the wicked ▪ and have not regarded the will of god , but have persecuted and imprisoned the innocent , and judged after your own hearts ; therefore according to the word of the lord , your blood will be upon your own heads , for you have not taken warning , and i am clear thereof for ever . an exhortation sent to the chiefe commander and his counsell , and the just cause of the innocent laid at their door . we who are servants of the lord of hosts , who is the protector of heaven and earth ; we who stand in his fear , and knows his counsell , are moved of him who lives for ever , who is , i am , and there is none besides him ; to clear our consciences , and our lords truth , from the lies and slanders which are cast upon us , and the good way of the lord , which envious spirits who are proud and knows nothing , that cannot abide sound doctrine , doth reproach and slander us , and by false accusations lay things to our charge which we never knew ; therefore we being innocent and clear cannot but deny and bear witnesse against all those proceedings , which is not according to the law of righteousnesse and equity , and lay them at your door , whom it nearly concernes . unto thee henry cromwell , who is commander in chiefe for the affaires of ireland , and to thy counsell we write . we have seen two severall warrants under your hands , dated at dublin , and in them both you say you have received information at your board , of great disorders , and disturbances of late in the county of corke , and places adjacent , by francis howgill and edward burrough . this we say unto you , your informer hath declared an untruth at your board , and we desire that you may make it appear wherein we have made any disturbance , or disorder , all these things in your warrents we denie , and doe charge you in the name of the god of justice to send for them that so informed you , that have so abused you , and are so bold and impudent , as to declare unto you any such thing , and so hath caused you to bring guilt upon your selves , in sending out your warrants to bring the innocent before your judgement seat , and caused us to be dragged a hundred miles from place to place , as malefactors , and as though we had done some criminall act , and when we have come before you , you had nothing to lay to our charge , but hath endeavoured to give sentence of banishment of us out of your nation , who are free born english men , and have alwayes been faithfull and true to the common-wealths interest from first to last , even untill now , neither have been burthen some to your nation , nor transgressed any known law of the nation , and you have judged us before our accusers come , and herein you doe us great injustice , and you act contrary to the law of equity , and that which you your selves in your own case would not allow ; to that in all your consciences i speak . oh that ever you should thus requite the lord for his love and mercy , in breaking the yoak of the oppressor from off your necks , and now power is given into your hands to relieve the innocent , and to set the oppressed free , to execute judgement and righteousnesse upon the transgressors , whom the law is against : and this doth god require of you , that his will may be done , and your wills denyed , that so the nation may be established in righteousnesse , and that your latter end may be better then your beginning ; but if you goe on in the way you are beginning , and turne justice backward , and let equity fall in the streets , and not suffer judgement to enter , then misery will be your end . woe is me , for you have all forgotten the rock from whence you were hewn , and the deliverances of the lord to you in the time of distresse , yea you have forgotten , and your hearts are lifted up , and by your policy think to establish your own wills , and to limit the holy one a way , and set up your standard by his , and trust in the arme of flesh ; what is become of the liberty of tender consciences you have spoken of ▪ and we have engaged with you to purchase ? and is it ended in this ? oh horrible hypocrisie ! that they who bear witnesse against all sin , and iniquity , and against all deceit , that they should now be made a prey of . and we charge all in the name of the living god , in ireland to convince us of evill , or the transgression of any law ; and if it cannot be done , let none lay hold on us , to abridge us of our liberty , least you bring guilt upon your selves . and doe not take counsell at them ▪ ●or hold them up , who are hirelings , and in the steps of the false prophets walks , and in the error of balaam , who speaks for gifts and rewards , who in all generations resisted every appearance of god in his saints ; and now would make all bow to their image , and they bend their tongues , and reports lies , and makes lies their refuge , the hand of the dreadfull god of heaven and earth is against them , yea the lord will thunder from heaven against them , they shall be blown away in the whirle wind of gods wrath , who have perverted the way of the lord , because they stand not in the counsell of the lord , but flatter you , as they have done the princes in all generations , till all was laid wast together . woe is me for you , have you consulted , have you taken counsell together against the lord , and his servants , whom he hath sent unto you , and doe ye thus requite the lord already ? have you sent out your decree , to shut out and root out the seed of jacob in a day , whom the lord hath made choice of above all the families of the earth , surely your decree will be broken , and your cords will be but as a bulrush ; for them whom you now set at nought is precious in the eyes of the lord , and unto our god shall you bow and worship at his feet . consider if there be any honesty left among you , what is become of all the persecutors of old ? what became of the bishops , and what became of that power that held them up , are they not all sunk as a stone into the sea , and become a reproach ? and will you tell of reformation , and yet act in the same footsteps ? if you go on you are at the bank of destruction , and at the sides of the pit , and you will be made as a ruinous heap , and as desolate as mount esau ▪ which is a place for dragons ; was not persecution ever blind ? would they ever own themselves to be such ? for verily if you knew us , you would not have done so unto us . when herod stretched out his hand to vex certaine of the church , the next you hear of him he is eaten up of worms ; the dread of the lord of hosts is upon all the proud , and lofty , and high oaks , and the wind of the almighty shall blow them all down root and branch , and all your strength , in which you trust , if you take counsell at aegypt , will become as a bowed wall , and as a rotten hedge ; and god will make them that exalts themselves against him , as a dunghill , and as the princes of gog , of mesek , and tuball , which are all perished among the rest of the uncircumcised . oh ye potsheards doe you think you can limit the lord , will he be instructed by you ? he that reproves him let him answer it ▪ can you command the wind that it blow not upon the earth ? can you stop the waves of the sea , and say unto them be still ? can you stop the bottles of heaven that it raine not ? if you cannot , all be silent , and strive not to resist the lord in his own work which he is bringing to passe in this his own day , he will confound the wisdome of the wise , and bring to nought the honourable of the earth , and make all as a plaine before him , who can withstand him ? oh ye potsheards feare and tremble before him , who is a consuming fire to all the ungodly , who is visiting the transgressours with vengeance dread and fury , and putting into their hands a cup of trembling , and making jerusalem a burthen some stone , all that meddle with it shall be wearied , they shall faint and bow themselves , and sink under it , and be crushed as with a cart wheel to pieces , and their names shall rot from under heaven , and all shall know our god is the living god , yea the god of gods , yea there is none like him ; and know this , no power you had of us except it had been from above , we were with you in the city of dublin ▪ near three months , some of us , and none laid hands on us , but the time was not come , and till the testimony of the lord was near finished , which he sent us to doe , none could lay hands on us : and know this , though this be a time of temptation and tryall , yet it shall be for the furtherance of the gospell of christ ; and though you think in your hearts by sending us out of your nation that so all will cease , and deceit will stand without molestation ; i tell you , nay , even the children who are yet in the womb shall be brought forth and bear witnesse against the deceit of this generation . and know this , there is a stump which is but little , which is bound about as with iron and brasse , and out of it shall spring fire that shall be kindled and flame to the torment of all them who worship the beast and have received his mark , and to the tormenting of all the fals prophets in the nation , and it shall burne and none shall be able to quench it ▪ many shall bear witnesse unto us , that we came not in our own names , but in the name of the living eternall god ▪ who by his power hath accomplished his own work , for his own glory , and many shall blesse us in the name of the lord ; and all our opposers shall gnash their teeth , and gnaw their tongues for paine , for the torment that is coming upon them ; all that have resisted the counsell of the most high god ▪ and have gaine-sayed the lord , they shall perish in their gaine-saying , and we are clear and free from the blood of all men in this nation thus far , yea of every city town and village unto which we were moved to goe , and the blood of all the rest be upon those that have resisted us , and a good savour we are unto god in them that have believed in his name , of whom we have borne true witnesse unto , and in them that perish we are clear in the sight of god . and oh thou city of dublin , thou art as moab at ease , and art lifted up in thy heart , and rejoycing in thy spoyle , and art making thy selfe merry in the abundance of thy delicacies ; oh how full of prophanesse art thou ? oh how full of pride and vaine glory , of deceit and unrighteousnesse , of lust and filth , lying and swearing , and full of bryars and thorns ? a carelesse untoward people : oh your abominations is loathsome to all the children of light , professing god in words , but in your lives and works denies him ; oh that thou hadst known in this thy day the things that belongs to thy peace , a crooked generation you are , the yoke must be laid upon your necks , will neither plague , famin , nor sword bring thee into subjection unto the lord , will neither mercy nor judgement take place in your hearts ; oh how long shall the lord bear with you ? how long shall he spare you ? his long suffering is near at an end , his patience is near out concerning you , and then woe woe to him that shall see the day which will come , the lord will arise as a lyon , and will rend and tear you , and his sword shall be bathed in the blood of his enemies , and he shall be wrath as in the valley of acor , and as in the dayes of gibea , and will bring ye down the mountaines , and levell you ye hills , and will make his name known in your overthrow , except ye repent , and they that are round about you , when they shall see calamity coming upon you , this shall be their proverbe , this is the city and people that despised the counsell of the lord , and contemned the instruction of the most high god , and provoked the lord to wrath , till his patience was worne out , and his long-suffering came to an end , and therefore is this evill come upon them . therefore gird your selves in sackcloath , and pour ashes upon your heads , houle and weep ye carelesse people , misery is coming upon you , the dreadfull god will visite with a scourge , and will make you know he is the lord ; blessed is he that hears , and considers , and repents , and turnes from his iniquity , before the decree be sealed against you , which will never be altered . this is the day of your visitation , and if you contemn it woe unto you for ever , and so we are clear in gods sight of you all from the highest to the lowest , and your blood if you perish will the lord require at your own hands , from this time forth and for evermore . dublin 24 of the 12 month , 1655. we are friends to all just power and are subject to the highest power for conscience sake , but witnes against all deceit , and unrighteousnes , and against all that holds the truth in unrighteousnes ; who are prisoners of the lord for the testimony of christ , our consciences bearing us witnesse in the holy ghost , francis howgill . edw : burrough . the unjust suffering of the just declared , and their appeal to the just witnesse of god in all mens consciences . to all ye collonels , and commanders , and officers , and to all the honest hearted in the city of dublin , and else where , to whom this may come . hereby we the prisoners of the lord for the testimony of jesus , and for the exercise of a pure conscience , doe lay down our cause before you , and to the light of jesus christ in all your consciences we appeal in this our cause of righteousness and innocency to be judged thereby ; we are men fearing god , and working righteousnesse , and are friends to the common-wealth of israel , and are exalters of justice and true judgement in the earth , and are subject to all just power , and to every just ordinance of man for conscience sake , and have suffered the losse of all , and have borne part of the burden with you , that we might obtaine the freedome of the righteous seed , and the liberty of tender consciences , to serve the lord in his own way , and we are well known to the lord , though strangers to you , and are free men in the record of heaven , though now sufferers unjustly under your present authority , who hath taken the place of exercising lordship over our pure consciences , and hath imprisoned us , and endeavoured to give judgement of banishing us , onely upon false accusations and informations , and slanders , without the proofe or testimony of any accusation of evill justly laid to our charge . and to you hereby be it known , that not for evill doing doe we thus suffer , for to this present no man hath convinced us of any evill , nor justly proved the transgression of any law ( martiall or civill ) against us , though we stand accused of many grievous things , of which we are clearly innocent in the sight of him that lives for ever , and doth nothing more desire herein but to be tryed by the law of equity ▪ and righteousnesse , and judged according thereunto . by vertue of command given unto us , by the eternall spirit of the lord came we into this land of ireland , contrary to the will of man , not to seek our selves , nor our own glory , nor to prejudice your nation nor government , nor to be hurtfull to your common-wealth , but with the message of the gospel of christ jesus we came to turn from darknes to light and from the power of satan to the power of god , and to minister the word of reconciliation and salvation freely without a gift or a reward unto lost soules , and hereof god is our witnesse , and also we have the seals of our ministry , which unto us herein can give testimony by the same spirit , and this are we ready to seal with our blood : and these six months , and upward have we laboured in travells , and sufferings , and reproaches , and have passed through your cities and towns in sobernesse , and meeknesse , have we preached the kingdome of god , and have holden forth the word of truth , and the testimony of jesus , and our lives have we not loved till this day , though sometimes dangers on every side hath beset us , that we might hold forth the faith of jesus , the author of our profession , in the exercise of a pure conscience , both by doctrine and conversation , and herein we are justified in the sight of god , and who is he that condemns us ? and doth call heaven and earth to record , and the light in all mens consciences who have heard our doctrine , or seen our conversation , to witnesse for us herein , and we challenge all you nation of ireland , our very enemies , to prove the contrary , though otherwise we stand falsly accused , and falsly reputed , to be disturbers , and makers of disorders , to the breach of publique peace , and such like grievous things upon the false information ; whereof a warrant was issued out from the chief ruler and counsell of ireland , and we thereby was apprehended in the city of corke , and haled by guards , as malefactors to , before the counsell in this city , where none of all these false accusations was or could be proved against us , nor the transgression of any known law could we be convicted of , and though occasions was sought against us , yet none could be found , and though snares was laid for our feet , yet were we not entrapped , but was cleared in the sight of god , witnessed by the light in all their consciences , and was found innocent and without reproofe in the eye of the lord , and by our innocency was their orders of false accusations made of none effect , and we thus far proved to be guiltles before the throne of true judgment ; yet notwithstanding contrary to the light in their own consciences , and contrary to the just laws of the nations ( which afordeth freedome to the freeborn and righteous ) were we committed to prison , without conviction or any guilt charged upon us , or the least appearance of evill towards any mans person , though falsly accused , yet nothing given true testimony of against us , whereby our boldnesse in the way of the lord could be discouraged , as having the testimony of the spirit of god bearing us witnesse in the holy ghost , that in all good conscience towards god and towards man we have lived unto this day , and so are without reproofe in the sight of god and all just men ; and though upon search and examination we were found guiltles thus far , yet further hath the enemy the devil prevailed in cruelty against the innocent , that it is endeavoured that we be banished , under the account of vagabonds , which last accusation is the most false and urighteous , for we challenge this , of whom have we begged ? or to whom have we been burdensome ? or whose bread have we eaten for nothing ? or what evil have we done ? where is the testimony of your slande●s ? but innocently doe we suffer these things , bearing reproaches , and binding the cruelty done unto us as chaines about our our necks , and as crowns upon our heads , having the assurance that for well doing we suffer these things from the hands of the rulers , through the lies and slanders of the teachers , who are in cains way of persecution , till they have fulfilled their measure of wickednesse , and be laid wast as the wildernesse . and this is our cause , and hereby it comes before you , by the light of christ in your consciences to be judged , if your hearts be not altogether hardned and your minds wholly blinded , and we lay it at the doore to receive sentence from you , and without respect of your persons , holds forth our guiltlesse cause before you , not begging any thing from you , but herein to clear our consciences , that you may save your selves from this untoward generation , whose root is corrupt , and fruit bitternesse , for while we have breath from the lord and injoynment of his presence , our duty is to serve the lord in bearing witnesse against injustice and all cruelty and oppression , and shall appeal to receive justice from the present power which now rules ; for in the name of the lord we challenge our priviledge of freedome as being freeborn ▪ till we be accused guilty by the just law of equity , unto which we are subject for conscience sake , and not to any mans will , but by word and writing is bound by the law of god to bear witnesse against the unjust proceedings herein of the heads and rulers of dublin , and shall seale our witnesse against them , and against their unrighteous decrees sealed in their cruelty against the innocent with our blood , if thereunto we be called . dub. 26 of the 12 month , 1655. francis howgill . edw : burrough . a challenge to the priests of dublin , to try their god , and their ministry , and their worships . we the servants and faithfull witnesses of the most high god , called and chosen of him , and redeemed out of nations , kindreds , tongues , and people , who are ministers of the word of life , and reconciliation , and messengers of glad tidings , and salvation , unto captive and weary souls , our glorying is onely in the lord , and not in our selves , who are by the world in scorne called quakers , who are at this present in outward bonds for the testimony of jesus christ in dublin , and who have been in the labour and travell of the gospell of god , this six months and upwards , in this nation of ireland , according to the will of god ordained hereunto , and moved , and commanded by his eternall spirit into this his work , for the seeds sake which is not of this world , to the gathering of it into the fold of everlasting peace , and to the clearing of the lord from the bloud of his enemies , that they may be left without excuse , by his powerfull word given unto us , and uttered by us ( and herein we are a good savor to god , both in them that perish and in them that believe ) and for this cause have we denyed our dearest and nearest relations , and loves not our lives unto death , that our testimony we may finish which is committed to us of the lord ; and because of this are we labourers under many burdens , and travells in many afflictions , and sufferings , and are abundantly reproached , and our lords truth of which we bear witnesse , greatly infamed , by many slandering , and back-biting tongues , especially by the teachers , and professed ministers , in the eares of their people and hearers , slandering us with being jesuits , and deceivers , and seducers , and hereticks , and blasphemers , and witches , and such like ; and we of those false accusations being clear , and our lords truth , the testimony ▪ which we hold wholly innocent , and are willing to be tryed , and proved , and made manifest to the inhabitants of this city and nation , in the sight of god . this therefore am i moved to give forth ; and hereby in the name of our living eternall god of heaven and earth , whom we serve , and worship , in that way which is called heresie , doe send it abroad as a challenge to all you teachers , and pretended ministers of what sort and forme soever , and to all you people whom it may really concerne , and especially to all you in the city of dublin , and places elsewhere in ireland , to whom this may come , that you meet us in the city of dublin , at some publique place , at a conveniant time appointed by you , at which place and time if the lord permit ( by the permition of the counsell of ireland , whose prisoners we are ) we shall you meet then there , to have a faire and sober dispute in the presence of all people , who may desire to be informed , or satisfied , concerning us and you , in these things whereof you can accuse us ; and also of those things , by way of sober questions , which we have to propound to you , not for any end to our selves , not to set up a kingdome of our own ( god is our witnesse ) but that the way of our god may be made manifest , and all deceit , and errour discovered , and all people may be informed the way to salvation , and as you are true to your god , and will answer for him , and are willing to be made manifest in your way of worship , and doctrine , and ministry , you are not to neglect , but hearing to answer our desires , and the desires of many hundreds , that you and we may be made manifest in the sight of god , to all mens consciences , who are in truth , and who are in errour , that shame and condemnation may come upon the guilty , and truth may be exalted over all deceit . given under our hands , who are prisoners for the testimony of jesus , whose names in the flesh are francis howgill and edw : burrough . you are desired to send your answer of these propositions to us , and if you consent to meet us , let sufficient notice be given abroad , that the inhabitants of the city and country may know five or six dayes time before . sent forth the 23 of the 12 month , from the sergeant at armes his house in dublin . this was sent to the priests of dublin , but no answer to this day have we received from them ; whereby it is manifest that they are not true to their god , nor willing to be tryed and made manifest , but loves darkenesse and hates the light , and back-bites in secret , and cannot give a witnesse openly but falls before the tryall , and truth reigns over them , and is exalted over their deceit . a discovery of the idoll dumb shepheards in that nation , and a lamentation over their starved and strayed flocks . the day of the lord is approaching , and the day of account draws near upon you the inhabitants of the earth , the time of your covenant is expired made with death , and hell , and the lord god will plead with you , and reckon with you , and give unto you a just reward , every one according to your deeds , even the condition of your bond . ye shepheards , and pastors of the flock , and teachers of the people , what account will ye render to the lord in the day of his appearing ? should you not have gathered the flock , and fed them , and taught them in the way of righteousnes , & preserved them from straying abroad , but instead thereof you have scattered them upon the barren mountaines , and have starved them , and have strayed them , and led them into by paths of idolatry , and made a prey upon them , and have fed your selves of them , and the heritage of the lord hath been wasted by you , and the pastures of the fold eaten up by wolves , and devourers , and lyons whelps , which made the flock afraid , driven them into secret corners of darknesse , leannesse , and poverty , where they are dead for want of food . o ye shepheards your account will be wofull , and miserable , in the dreadfull day which is hastning upon you ; not one lamb have you brought forth to perfection , to lie down in peace in the fold , but have nourisht it into the nature of a dog ; and a wolfe , and you have fed them with swines flesh , and with the husk , and milk they have not received from you , thereby to grow up unto god in his image ; and not one fleece hath the lord gathered from all your flock , you teachers , shepheards , and pastors , your debt of wickednesse is a grosse sum of great abomination in the record of account , you have taught innocent children into subtle hypocrisie , out of uprightnesse into guile , you have taught lies instead of truth , and thereby hath the people been instructed into error , sects , and false opinions , and not one child have you taught perfect in the way of the lord , neither one of your hearers have you presented perfect in christ jesus unto the father , but for gifts and rewards have you taken the charge of the learners , and not one hath come to the knowledge of the truth by you under your teaching , for you have been a cursed example , in pride , in coveteousnesse , in oppression , and in hypocrisie , and how could you teach children in the way of purity when your selves have walked in the way of idolatry , the language of babylon have you instructed the people , and not one verse have they learned in sions record , you have nurtured them in the nature of whoredome , and their virginity have they lost . what will ye doe ye shepheards , and teachers , the arrest of judgement from the court of equity is come forth against you , and sealed never to be changed ; whether will you fly to hide you ? gods judgements will pursue you , and your reward will be indignation and vengeance , and your charge will be the devouring and murder of soules , and the flock will be required of you , and every lamb , which carelesly you have starved , the blood thereof will be put upon your account , and every child you have taught in the way of iniquity , the iniquity thereof will be laid to your charge . o dolefull reckoning ! when the lord appears , a grievous sum are you guilty which you are never able to pay , and just he is that calleth you to account , and the truth of his bill will be sealed with the light in your own consciences , which is the lords witnesse , which hath been privy to all your abominations , one year after another have you been spared , and interest upon interest will be put upon your score , not one day of faithfull service and true watching over the flock can you give testimony of , but idle shepheards have you been , and slumbring watchmen have you proved , and the whole flock hath been devoured , and scattered , and not one lamb is found in the fold , nor one strayed sheep brought home from wandring , but the fences of the fold is laid wast , and the door is shut up , and bolted against him that would enter ▪ and you have removed the pastures out of the pleasant valleys , into the desolate , and wild , and untilled mountaines ▪ where every wilde beast playeth , and every desolate bird inhabiteth . what will you plead for your selves ? oh ye deceitfull hirelings , who have run and was not sent , by whom the people is not profited at all : but you leaders of the people have caused them to erre in unknown paths , and you have taken the charge of that you were not able to performe , you have wasted the masters goods , and his children have not been taught the way of holinesse ; you have spent his portion among harlots , and have given your lords mony to abominable uses , nothing is gathered of your vines , but wilde grapes , and sowre grapes , which the lords soule loatheth , no figs of your thorns hath been reaped , but your best fruit hath been of a loathsome tast , the most innocent among you hath been found guilty of innocent blood of soules . woe is me for you ye flocks of these shepheards folds , alas , alas , your soules are starved , and your feet are strayed , and into by paths of whoredomes have you been instructed , and the door of the true shepheards fold hath been shut against you , and the key of true knowledge hath been hid out of your sight , and obscurity and darknesse hath been cast before you , and the way of the lord hath been undiscovered to your understanding , and into secret and subtle idolatry and witchcraft have you been nurtured , and your wound hath been healed falsly , and it will break out into more incurable dangers . o how have you been driven away into strange pastures , and into barren heaths , and desarts , scattered loe here , and loe there , by the voyces of strangers , now when the lord is come to search you , instead of lambs you are found in the nature of wolves , and dogs , and lyons , biting and devouring , and scorning and reproaching the children of the true seed , and instead of children of light and truth , are you found strong men of darknesse and errour ; how is your nature changed since the first creation in the innocent image of god , strayed have you been , and not one brought home by your shepheards into the fold of truth , you have been a prey to devourers , and meat for the wild beasts of the desolate forrests , and a strong language have you learned of the egyptians character , and your delight hath been therein , even you have loved to have these things so , and like shepheards like sheepe strayers and strayed , devourers and being devoured ; what account will you give in the day of the lord ? for your sin is written with a pen of iron , sealed in your foreheads , children of the womb of wickednesse , a grosse sum of abomination is put upon your account , even lovers of darknesse , and haters of the light , how many times have you been called by the true shepheards voyce , and you neglect and will not be gathered ? how many good instructions have you heard ? and what profit have you received ? much teaching and many sermons have you heard , and yet to this day the way of truth have you not learned , but are groping in the dark in blindnesse and ignorance , and you blind have been led by the blind , and the mouth of the ditch is opened to swallow you uptogether , and you have refused knowledge and cannot endure to be reproved , you love to stray rather then to be gathered , and you delight in leannesse and poverty upon the barren mountaines rather then to be fed in the fat pastures of true food . shall not the lords soule be avenged upon you ? ye shepheads and flocks , ye teachers and people , your debt is summed into a large sum of grievous abomination , the indictment of vengeance is read , and sealing against you , proved to be just in the register of heaven , everlasting prison in the pit of darknesse , and everlasting banishment from the presence of the lord is signing against you , in the eternall law and righteous decree ; the light of the lord jesus christ which shines in all your consciences will arise to be the evidence of this just proceeding . god is grieved with you , you spirituall idolaters . repent , repent ye idoll shepheards , and deceitfull teachers , and ye scattered flock , and deceived people ; this is the day of your visitation , and a warning in your eares , the sword of the lord is drawn against you , and the whirle-wind of his wrath is gone forth , your builded wall shall fall , and the pillars of your habitation shall be shaken . god will gather his flock out of your mouths , and feed them in his own fold , and your nakednes shall appear , and your deceits shall be laid open , and your secret whoredoms shall be discovered , your beginning was in darknes , and your time is out of the light , and your end will be in destruction , now you have all time prize it . writ in corke city in i●eland as moved of the lord concerning the shepheards and flock , the teachers and people in that nation . from him who is a lover of all your soules , but a witnesse against all your deceits ▪ e. e. an invitation to all the poor desolate souldiers to repent and make their peace with the lord , and their duty shewed them what the lord requires of them . to all you poor desolate souldiers of the lowest rank , who are scattered up & down in this desolate land of ireland , & lives a carelesse and a desolate life , without the fear of the lord , in lying , in swearing , in drunkennesse , in whoredome , in oppression , and in the wickednesse of the world , and are past feeling and senslesse of the operation and power of god , carelesse of your eternall happinesse : the dreadfull day of the lord god is coming , in power the lord is risen , and the wrath of the lord is gone forth , with the strength of indignation and fury will you be besieged , and fearfulnesse shall surprize you . repent of your transgressions , and fear and tremble before the presence of the living god , who is commander in chiefe over heaven and earth ; prize your soules , this is the day of your visitation , and make your peace with the lord ; the righteous judge the lord seeth you in your darknesse , and searcheth you in your desolate obscurity , and the soule is pressed under your iniquities , and he hath not disrespected any of your persons or desolate places , but god is light and hath lightned every one of you with the true light of life eternall , if you love it and be guided by it or of death everlasting if you hate it and disobey it , and walk contrary to it ; that is the light which convinceth you of sin , of lying , and swearing , and cursed speakings , and drunkennesse , which are the fruits of the cursed tree , which cumbers the ground of the lord , which the axe is now laid to the root of , to cut it down and cast it into everlasting burning ; and while you act against this light in your consciences , you crucifie the life of christ jesus , and are enemies unto him , and servants of the devill , and loves your evill deeds , and upholders of the devills conquest , which is the dominion of sin ; this light reproves you in secret of violence , and false accusing , and all unjust words and actions which are contrary to god , so turne your minds to the light , which will lead you to repentance , from dead works , out of the broad way of destruction , which many are in ( as christ jesus saith ) and it will teach you in your places to serve the living god and to doe violence to no man , but to be terrour , and reprovers , and correctors of all violence , and of such who lives in it ; and it will teach you not to strengthen the hands of evill doers , but to lay your sword in justice upon every one that doth evill , and it will teach you not to make war but to preserve peace in the earth ; and this is your place and duty required of you from the lord god commander in chiefe , unto whom you must all give an account , and receive a just reward according to your deeds , everlasting punishment to him that doth evill ; but if you stand in the fear of the lord , your sword will be a terrour and dread to them that fear him not but lives contrary to the light in their own consciences , which light if you love it is your command to march by , and your rule to judge by , and weapon to fight withall , and your chiefe commission for duty . and now you have all time take heed to your selves , goe not on in your course of evill , nor take not your pleasure in unrighteousnesse , but to the light in your conscience take heed , it is your teacher to god if you love it , or your condemnation from god if you hate it ; and this is your termes with the lord , prize the acceptance of his love to your soules , and the day of your visitation , least you perish in your rebellion eternally . written in love to your soules , written in ireland at caterlough . e. b. a warning from the lord to the natives of that nation of ireland , who are made a curse , and a prey to be destroyed of your enemies . repent , repent , ye that remaine from being devoured , whose dayes are yet stretched forth , that you may return to the lord , from whom you are grievously degenerated into filthinesse , and uncleanesse , being a cursed brood , and are become unhuman in your impudent shamelesse , practices of ungodlines , and are brazened in your filthinesse , and cannot blush when you have done evill , the plagues of god , and his wrath waites to consume you from off the face of the earth , you are shut up in blindnes and covered with darknesse which may be felt , and you are as deafe adders , voyd of understanding , and past feeling , and given up to work all unrighteousnes with delight , counting it your glory to work wickednes , having sold your selves to commit sin , you have wholly slaine gods witnes , and are become wild and bruitish as the beasts of the field , and untamed as savage colts , the indignation of god is against you , who are as dead trees and withered branches , and scorched heaths , not sensible of good nor evill , but as wild asses , who neither fears god nor regards man ; to the light in your consciences , wherewith christ hath lightned you , doe i now speak ; gods murdered witnes shall answer me , by which you are inexcusable , for with the light you know lying , swearing , stealing , murder , drunkennes , and whoredom , are sins and transgressions ; the light will let you see these abounds among you , by which you are reproved , and eternally to be condemned if you do not repent of these your grievous abominations : and if you love the light and turne to it , it will lead you out of sin , and out of your vaine foolish traditions , and imitations , and sorceries , and witchcrafts , which deceives your soules ; and this light in your consciences will change you into sobernes , and humanity , and will lead you into the way of life and salvation , out of the way of death and hell ▪ wherein you walk , to eternal misery . therefore prize your soules , and the dreadfull god fear , and tremble before him ye prophane wretches , and cease from your filthy , nasty , poluted ways of idolatry , lying , swearing , stealing , drunkennesse , and such like , god forbids with the light in your consciences , and he that doth these things shall eternally perish in condemnation for ever . and this to you is a warning , in pitty to your lost souls , whose hearts are desperately wicked , and set to doe mischiefe ; the vengeance of god is against you , the light in your consciences shall witnes me , and justifie the lord , in the day of recompence , when every man receives according to his deeds , the righteous unto life , the wicked unto eternall wrath . now you have time , prize it ; the light is your teacher loving it , and your condemnation for ever hating it . edw : burrough . finis . a vvarning from the lord to the inhabitants of underbarrovv, and so to all the inhabitants in england, where it shall meet with them, who holds up the false teachers, and false worship, and who beats, stone, stock, and persecute, and hail out of their assemblies, those who are sent by the lord, to speak his word freely; with an exhortation, that they hast to meet the lord by true repentance, by putting off the works of darkness, lest the lord cut them assunder, by his sword, which is already drawn and put into the hand of his servants. also, a word to my brethren, and companions in tribulation in the kingdome and patience of jesus christ, who is by the world scornfully called quakers. with the manner of my passage through the dark world, (wherein the simple ones may see the deceits of the man of sin in his actings like the true spirit) to warn all to follow the true light within, which leads unto god, & to beware of the voice, lo here & lo there, by one who is a labourer in the vineyard, who is not known to the world; (though named of the world) edvvard burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a77973 of text r206899 in the english short title catalog (thomason e733_5). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 82 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 21 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a77973 wing b6057 thomason e733_5 estc r206899 99865993 99865993 118252 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a77973) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 118252) images scanned from microfilm: (thomason tracts ; 113:e733[5]) a vvarning from the lord to the inhabitants of underbarrovv, and so to all the inhabitants in england, where it shall meet with them, who holds up the false teachers, and false worship, and who beats, stone, stock, and persecute, and hail out of their assemblies, those who are sent by the lord, to speak his word freely; with an exhortation, that they hast to meet the lord by true repentance, by putting off the works of darkness, lest the lord cut them assunder, by his sword, which is already drawn and put into the hand of his servants. also, a word to my brethren, and companions in tribulation in the kingdome and patience of jesus christ, who is by the world scornfully called quakers. with the manner of my passage through the dark world, (wherein the simple ones may see the deceits of the man of sin in his actings like the true spirit) to warn all to follow the true light within, which leads unto god, & to beware of the voice, lo here & lo there, by one who is a labourer in the vineyard, who is not known to the world; (though named of the world) edvvard burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. [2], 38 p. printed for giles calvert, and are to be sold at the black-spread-eagle, at the west end of pauls, london, : 1654. annotation on thomason copy: "april: 15.". reproduction of the original in the british library. eng quakers -early works to 1800. underbarrow (england) -early works to 1800. a77973 r206899 (thomason e733_5). civilwar no a vvarning from the lord to the inhabitants of underbarrovv, and so to all the inhabitants in england,: where it shall meet with them, who burrough, edward 1654 16069 23 0 0 0 0 0 14 c the rate of 14 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the c category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2007-04 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2007-04 aptara keyed and coded from proquest page images 2007-08 robyn anspach sampled and proofread 2007-08 robyn anspach text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-02 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion a vvarning from the lord to the inhabitants of underbarrovv , and so to all the inhabitants in england , where it shall-meet with them , who holds up the false teachers , and false worship , and who beats , stone , stock , and persecute , and hail out of their assemblies , those who are sent by the lord , to speak his word freely ; with an exhortation , that they hast to meet the lord by true repentance , by putting off the works of darkness , lest the lord cut them assunder , by his sword , which is already drawn and put into the hand of his servants . also , a word to my brethren , and companions in tribulation in the kingdome and patience of jesus christ , who is by the world scornfully called quakers . with the manner of my passage through the dark world , ( wherein the simple ones may see the deceits of the man of sin in his actings like the true spirit ) to warn all to follow the true light within , which leads unto god , & to beware of the voice , lo here & lo there , by one who is a labourer in the vineyard , who is not known to the world ; ( though named of the world ) edvvard burrough . london , printed for giles calvert , and are to be sold at the black-spread-eagle , at the west end of pauls , 1654. a warning from the lord , to the inhabitants of vnderbarrow , and so to all the inhabitants in england . to all you the inhabitants of vnderbarrow ( profane ones and professors ) you my neighbours and country men according to the flesh ( but strangers as in the spirit ) to you all who are in the customary , formal , traditional worship of heathen , and under the barren , dry and empty ministry of man , which stands in the will of man , and have proceeded out of the carnall inventions and imaginations of fallen man , and is not according to god , nor to the practice of the saints in former ages and generations . to you all do i clear my conscience in the presence of god , by declaring to you in writing , being that i can not have freedome ( through the subtilty of the serpent , who doth work alwayes to prevent the living truth to be declared , and the deceits of himself to be discovered and made manifest ) to declare in word among you : i have been sent by the lord moved of him to come , and to declare to you the word of the lord , to the directing of your minds , where to wait to attain the true knowledge of the lord , and of that one thing needful , the eternal welfare of your souls , and to lay open the deceits of the serpent , who doth work in the cursed deceitful ministry , which is uphold by you , whereby your souls are kept in the death , and only your dark minds fed and nourished by the painted and serpent-like expressions and declarations , coming out of the carnal wisdome and brain-knowledge of your hireling , who walks in the way of the false prophets of israel , which the true prophet called greedy dumb dogs , four several times hath the lord by his eternal spirit working in me , moved me to come into the congregation and assembly , he himself is the witness that i came not of man , nor by the will of man , but contrary to the will and desires of man , wherein stands the true ministry of god , now as it was ever , the true prophets , ieremiah and ionah witnessed the same , and the apostle paul , and as it is known to you unto whom i speak , that i could not have liberty to declare to you the truth from god , who came not to you with entising words , neither what i had gathered out of the scripture from without me , neither to speak my own imaginations and conceivings , as your false hireling doth , but to declare the word of the lord , to the convincing of your dark understandings , that you might see the deceits by which you are and have been led , that your souls might have been redeemed up to god , out of the imagined worships of the world , to worship in spirit and in truth , hear ye the word of the lord ye people , all your carnall , traditional ordinances and observances is abomination to the lord , all your praying and praising is odious in his sight , for all your worship is an imitation and an imagination of the dark mind of man , and was never commanded by god , therefore consider all ye people what you are doing , and reject not the lord , nor his everlasting truth , but prize your time , and now seek the lord while he may be found , and call upon his name while he is near , your souls are kept in the death under your dead minister , and under his dead doctrines , dead reasons , points and uses , which he speaks from the saints conditions and experiences , but is an enemy to the substance , and to them in whom the same conditions are made manifest in the power of truth , and he doth make manifest himself to be in the same generation of them , who had the form of godliness , but denies the power ; having the letter as the pharisees had , but persecuting the substance as they did : all people consider whether he be not in the generation professing god and truth in word as the scribes and pharisees were , but persecuting the son of god , who is the substance of truth , where he is born and made manifest , he is in the generation of them who professed abrahams freedom , and that god was their father , but were of their father the devil ; for his works they did , they said , and did not , as he doth , as it is made manifest , he is a whited wall , a painted sepulcher , which christ the son of god cryed wo against , who was and is the light , by which all deceivers , hirelings , and false teachers , are discovered , & cryed out against : the light which is christ , do i witness to be made manifest in me from god the father of light , daily leading me up to him , to live in purity and uprightness , praises be to him for ever , in which light i see your teacher to be a hireling , a greedy dumb dog , seeking for his gain from his quarter , one that god never sent , but hath run and was not sent , therefore doth he not profit you at all ; and from this light , which is christ , do i declare against him , as knowing him that he hath not the word of the lord , but the letter : freely do i declare against him , as knowing him to be a deceiver , and an antichrist , being once i was deceived by him , but now through the rich love of my father , who hath made himself known to me , and hath shined by his eternal light in my heart , do i see him and all such to be antichrist , and no minister of christ : from the mouth of the lord i do declare it , that you are led blindly by him ; your blind guide and you are ever learning , and never able to come to the knowledge of the living truth by his ministery ; he layes heavie burdens upon you , he is in the generation of them who had the law and the prophets , but persecuted him who came to fulfil the law , and who hath the substance of the prophets ; he hath the saints conditions and experierces in the letter , but who are brought to witness the same conditions and the same strait way in which they walked ? he is an enemy to all people , to you from god i do declare it ; he is one that god never sent to speak his word to you , he calls good evil , and evil good ; and puts light for darkness , and darkness for light ; and therefore wo is his portion , and wo is the portion of all that upholds him : what will ye do in the end thereof ? he doth bewitch you to observe , that calling is an ordinance of god , which he never commanded : poor people ! your souls lies in the death under the power of darkness and corruption , under your dead minister , and under his dead carnal observances ; and your dark minds , your wit and reason is only fed , and so the enemies of the lord are strengthned by him , and you remain in ignorance and in blindness , and cannot attain the true riches ; for christ only is the way to the father , the light in every man which leads to the father ; but this light he denies as having enlightned every one that comes into world , as several times he hath done to me in argument : here he makes christ a lyar , and doth not know the first principle of religion , nor the light which leads unto god , but is a heathen , and knows not god , for this is the light which all the servants of god in all generations witnessed , and which light we do now witness , praised be the lord for evermore , who hath in his light led us to himself , and hath shewed the deceits of him to us , and of all such as he is ; he is in the generation shutting the kingdom of heaven against men , neither entering h●mself , nor suffers others to enter that are entering : through the power of the lord made manifest , am i bold to declare against him , who walks not in the doctrine of christ , and therefore is an antichrist and doth deceive you , professing himself to be sent of god , and walking contrary to the truth of god ; a hypocrite , saying , and not doing : ye my country-men , be not deceived by him , try him by the scriptures , and see how he walks according to the declaration , as they did who were ministers of christ , not by the will of man ; but his ministery is by man , and according to man , and had his call from man as it is known to you all ; but they who were true ministers witnessed the contrary , neither received they their gospel from man , but by the revelation of jesus . the true ministers of christ , sent forth by christ , witnesses now the same thing , for christ , the same that ever he was , which is now made manifest in the saints , and his ministery is the same , which is not by man , but contrary to man ; be not deceived , god will not be mocked , for he is terrible , and his day is powerful and dreadful , that shall come upon the heathen , and upon the workers of iniquity , and upon all d●ssemblers and hypocrites , all your carnal worship , and ordinances , and observances , is but mocking of god , and dissembling with him , and is but an imitation and an imagination of the mind of fallen man , imitated by you and your minister , droven by the imaginations from the true worship of god , which the saints in former generations was exercised in , who was led , not by imagination , as you are , but by the spirit of god , as all the servants of god are : now as ever was , true baptism ●own , which is by the holy ghost and with fire , and the baptism with one spirit into one body do we witness ; but that which your chief priest and false hireling hold up , i deny it ; it is not of god , but is an imitation , and is abomination in the sight of god ; and therefore from god do i declare against it , and against your hireling that upholds it among you . true communion of saints i own , for we have union , and the bread , which we break is the body of christ ; and the cup which we drink is the blood of christ , by which we are nourished and fed up to eternal life ; for he that eats not christs flesh and drinks his blood , he hath no life in him , he among you that can receive it let him , but your communion i deny , for it is heathenish , and no more but an imitation , having proceeded out of the imagination of the proud : your breaking of bread , and drinking of the cup is abomination ; and god never commanded it , and this doth your pharisee uphold , sitting in the seat of christ and of the saints , as the pharisees did in moses seat , saying , and not doing : true singing i own with the spirit and with understanding , singing in the spirit , making melody in the heart to the lord , this singing was and is among the saints in the church of christ , this is well pleasing to god , for it is not an imitation , nor by tradition , as your singing is , but it is true sacrifice , the song of the redeemed ones , which none can learn but the redeemed ones of the lord , who is come and coming to zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads ; but your singing is carnal , traditional , and heathenish , and is an imitation , and is not with the spirit of jesus , but with the spirit of the world , with the spirit of drunkards , swearers , lyars , mockers , scornners , covetous ones , with the spirit of wrath , envie , malice , with the spirit of cain , with the spirit of the scribes and pharisees , and chief priests , who persecuted the saints which sang in truth in former generations , and now the deceit is turned into the form of singing , and they that live there , persecutes them that sings in the power ; for thus it was ever , they that lived in profession in the word outwardly , persecuted them that lived in the power of which was professed , and there you and your hireling is ; but know that the lord will take an account of you , and give unto every man his reward , according to his deeds : you and your priest , have got the form of baptism , of the communion , of singing , and of a church ; but the power and substance of these ordinances you know not , for they are hid from all vulturouus eies , and from the generation of the pharisees , and serpents , who are called of men master , and which have the chief place in the assemblies , as your hireling hath , and who is called of men master , as they were which christ cryed wo against : true preaching of jesus christ crucified we own and do witness , for the preaching is out of the will of man , out of form and custom , and is foolishness to the wisdom of the world ; now as it was ever , this is not with the inticing words of mans wisdom , but in the demonstration of the spirit , and of power , and the preaching of the word of faith , which is nigh thee in thy mouth and in thy heart , that preaching we do own , for faith comes by the hearing of this word preached , and the prayer with the spirit of truth we do own , for that is not in word to be seen of men , but led to that , not by custom , form , and tradition , but by the eternal spirit , which proceeds from god , which hath free recourse to god , which god heareth and doth accept , for there iniquity is purged out of the heart and is not regarded , for he that regards iniquity in his heart , god will not hear his prayer ; but the preaching and praying of your hireling i do deny , for they are abomination to the lord , for his preaching leads from god , stands in his own will , in his own time , in form , custom , and tradition , and your souls are not refreshed by it , neither is true faith known among you ; for how can he being evil speak good things ? a corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit , said he ; who cried wo unto them that said and did not , in which generation he is , how can he teach and direct toward true religion , being he denies the corner stone , the first principle of religion , which is the foundation , which no other can any lay , the light of god , which hath enlightened every one that comes into the world , which he denies to have enlightened every one ; poor people ! i do pitty your souls ( god is my witness ) to see you lie in darkness , in ignorance , and blindness , and in deadness , under your dead hireling , and under his dead traditional preaching ; your wisdom , reason , and dark minds is only fed and strengthned by his preaching , and you all are but building upon the sand , hearing but not doing , and we , who have suffered the loss , and have witnessed the destruction of that building , do now declare freely against it where it is standing , for we know the depth , height , and breadth of all your profession , and of all your carnal worship , and observances ; and the word of god is as a fire , which will burn up ; and as a hammer , which will beat down all your imagined worships and carnal ordinances : and his praying is abomination to the lord , for it is as theirs was , which the son of god cryed wo against , which stood praying in the synagogues , and which made long prayers , and the praying of all such we do deny , for their prayers is as the scribes and pharisees was , who were called of men masters , as they are now , and who were sayers and not doers , as your hireling is ; therefore all you people consider , and diligently weigh these things : if i declare to you the truth , own it without respect of persons , if i speak a lye , let me be accounted as accursed for ever ; and all you simple ones , who are seeking the living among the dead , who are in the simplicity , seeking after the truth , and yet are bewitched to observe that which god never commanded , and to seek god in that way which he was never found in , for christ alone is the way to the father , and he is but one from generation to generation ; in all generations for your sakes do i lay open the deceits of your hireling and chief priest , who is in the way of balaam , following the wages of unrighteousness , and do advise you as from the mouth of the lord ▪ to cease from man , whose breath is in his nostrils , and to cease from all your customary carnal observances , which god never commanded , but is only an imitation , and an imagination ; your souls are kept in death , under the power of corruption , pride , drunkenness , covetousness , oppression , and earthly-mindedness , wantonness , and the lustful nature ruling is head in you , and among you are that generation that draws neer god with their mouths , but your hearts goes after covetousness , and are far from the lord ; ye worship an unknown god , and are persecuters of the true god , and of his servants , as ever it was in all generations by priest and people , as it is now with you and your priest , they that professed truth in word , persecuted them that witnessed the power , the horrible filthy thing is committed among you , and you love to have it so , but what will you do in the end thereof ? you are in the generation of your forefathers , who spoke good of the false prophets , but persecuted the true prophets ; so it is now among you , he that hath the word of the lord from the mouth of the lord to declare unto you , him you revile and mock , and scorn and persecute , but he that speaks the imagination of his own heart from the saints conditions , him you own and hear , and here you shew your selves to be them which christ spoke of , which would receive them that come in their own name , but will not receive him that cometh in the name of his father ; repent , and turn to the lord , lest his judgments come upon you and destroy you with an utter destruction ; the day of the lord is terrible and dreadful , which will come upon the wicked , and upon all the workers of iniquity : be ashamed ye heathens , you maintainers of the greedy dumb dogs , and upholders of the horrible filthy thing , the persecuters of the righteous seed ; the contemners of the just , the generations of serpents , who cries , let barrabas go free ; ye generation of hypocrites , who professes god , but persecutes the son of god where he is made manifest , of this generation , in which you are : shall all the righteous blood-shed be required even from abel ? repent , and cease from all your former waies and doings , from pride , drunkenness , covetousness , and oppression , from lying , swearing from mirth , and wantonness , and vain pleasures , for the day of the lord cometh that shal burn as an oven , and the proud , and all that do wickedly shall be as stubble , fully dry , for the lord will be avenged of his enemies , and render vengeance in flames of fire upon all that know not god , and that obeys not the gospel of our lord jesus christ : who can stand when he appears ? who can dwell with everlasting burnings ? even he that doth righteously , and that is purged from iniquity : but then wo unto you all hypocrits and professers , and to the wicked and profane ones , ye shall all partake of the righteous judgment , and drink of the cup of the lords fury and indignation , for your iniquities are seen , and your transgressions are not covered from the lord ; all your profession will not hide you from the presence of the lamb , for in your sacrifices are found deceit , and in your offerings lodges iniquity , the mouth of the lord hath spoken it , therefore be ashamed of all your profession , and of all your glorious carnal ordinances , for the lord is coming to uncover you , and to make you and your profane hireling manifest , for god is pure and holy , and no iniquity dwels with him , nor none that works wickedness , therefore stop thy mouth thou hireling who preaches for hire , & devines for money ; and leans upon the lord , and useth thy tongue , and saith , he saith it , when the lord never spoke to thee : thou art in the generation of the scribes and pharisees , and be ashamed ye upholders of him , for now every tree that brings not forth good fruit , must be hewen down , the lord hath said it , his word is as a fire , which will burn up all the wicked ; his word is sharper than a two edged sword , which will cut down and wound the head of the wicked ; ye mockers & scorners , ye swearers and liars , ye proud & covetous ones , ye merry-hearted and wanton ones , dreadful is the day that shall come upon you , the lord will make his power known , and glorifie himself in your destruction , except you repent , and turn to the lord : ye hard hearted ones and rebellious ones , the plagues of god is to rest upon you , therefore prise your time , and repent , and fear the lord god almightie , and lay aside your vain wicked waies , and confess your sins , and forsake them , for such shall find mercy : all ye people , mind the light of god within you , and hearken to that which shews you what is sin , and evil , which shews you your proud minds , your carnal coveteous desires and affections , which checks and reproves you for your ungodlie deeds ; this light shines in darkness , but the darkness cannot comprehend it : this is the light which hath enlightened every one that cometh into the world , which light is christ , he that follows this light walks not in darkness , but hath the light of life ; he that hates this light stumbles , and walks in darkness , ignorance , and blindness , as you do , turning the grace of god into wantonness , which same grace is the saints teacher , this is the free grace of god which hath appeared to all men , which in all generations taught the saints to denie ungodliness and wordlie lusts , and led them into puritie and holiness : this grace do we witness , praised , praised be the lord , to be led by it , which ever was the saints leader , and through the teaching of this grace do we denie your hireling , and all such pharisees and hipocrites , who makes a prey upon the poor people ; and if you stop not into their mouths , they even prepare war against you , as the false prophets of israel did ; and dailie are we taught by it in the waies of god to do his service , praised be the onlie lord of glorie for evermore , who hath gathered us up to himself ( to be taught alone by his grace ) out of the mouth of your hireling , who once made a prey upon us , but eternal praise and glorie to our god , who in his light hath discovered unto us his nakedness and his shame , his hypocrisie and deceit , in the eternal light of god do we see him , and all such to be blind guides , and leads the poor blind people in darkness and in ignorance , and none is able to come to the true knowledge of the eternal truth in his ministerie , for he is no minister of god , but an anti-christ , denying christ to be come in the flesh , denying the light to have enlightened everie one , as several times he hath done to me ; but my father who is light and glorie , hath now made him manifest : and in that light christ jesus , do i see him to be one whom hath run , whom god hath not sent , therefore doth he not profit you at all , nor puts no difference from the precious and the vile in you , nor leads you to discern the clean from the unclean , the pure from the impure in you , but speaks the divination of his own brain , feeding your dark minds , and from the eternal light made manifest in me from god the father ( who is over all , and above all ) do i declare against him , and against all hirelings and greedie dumb dogs , that seeks for their gain from their quarter , as he doth , freelie do i declare as knowing them to be deceivers and blind guides : for the simple ones sake among you , who are insnared and kept in ignorance by him under his dead , drie , barren , sloathful ministerie ; repent ye people , who lies in the captivitie of babylon , under your babylonish merchant , now is the lord leading his sons and daughters out of egypt out of bondage , and now he that hath led captive is led into captivitie , praised and honored be the god of saints for evermore , who hath redeemed us out of the mouth of your idol shepheard who feeds himself with the fat , and who hath enlightened our dead consciences , and hath shined in our hearts , in his eternal light , and of this have i received freelie , and from this do i let forth freelie , to the laying open the deceits of your hireling : now is the day of your visitation , wherein the savior of the world stands at the door and knocketh , if anie open to him he will come in ; therefore prise your time , and hear the word of the lord , and lay aside the works of darkness , lying and swearing , mocking and scorning , and beating of your fellow servants : wo unto you ye strikers , who hardens your hearts against the lord , and against those who declare to you the wickedness of your waies ; the lord will come when you are not aware , and give you your portion with hypocrites and unbeleevers , and cast you into utter darkness : repent , and turn to the lord your god with mourning and lamentation , and cease from all your former waies and doings ; cease from covetousness and oppression , ye aged people ; and cease from lightness , vanitie , and pride , ye yong people ; and from all your priests and steeple-houses , for there your lightness , pride , and vain minds are fed and nourished , and the enemies of the lord are strengthned . dear people , there had i once fellowship with you in your pride , lightness , and vanitie and there was once my joy and delight ; but now am i chosen by the lord out of all these things praised be him for ever , to serve the lord , in declaring against all these abominations , in whom they are standing : for , wo unto the proud and light vain minds , who are tripping upon the mountains , and whose hearts are not subject to the lord ; against all these abominations do i declare as from the lord , and do advise you as from him , to depart out of these abominations , for the day is coming when you must be separated from all your lovers , a day of darkness and miserie ; therefore prise your time , and hearken unto the light of god within you , which reproves you for your filthie and ungodlie deeds and words ; this light will lead you to god , out of all filthiness , obeying it ; this will separate the clean from the unclean in you , and will lead you to be taught of god , and to have unitie with god , and with the saints ; for it was in the light that the saints had unitie ; this light will lead you out of your hypocritical and deceitful carnal worships , to worship in spirit and truth ; this light will lead you to the true baptism , out of your deceitful imitation of a baptism , which your hireling upholds among you ; this light will lead you to the true church in god , out of your formal imagined church , and to the true communion of saints , and true singing to god , out of your heathenish communion and singing : therefore all ye people mind the light , for the light hath enlightened everie one , which is the savior and redeemer of him that loveth it , and bringeth his deeds to it , but is the condemnation of him that hateth it , and walks not in it ; therefore all people mind this light which is of god , this will lead you up to god , this is the way to the father , and none comes to the father but by me said he who was , and is the light ; this light loving it and walking in it , will free you from all the burdens which the pharisee lies upon you , and from all the taxes of pharaoh's tax-masters , and will lead you into the mysteries of the kingdom of god , to know him who is invisible , and is present everie where , yet hidden from all dark minds , who lives in the imaginations and imitations , as you and your hireling doth : if you love this light and walk in this light , it will bring you to be witnesses of the scripture and of the saints conditions which you are but talkers of ; this is the ●ight from which they spoke that spoke the truth of god , and from this light did isa. cry who lived in the obedience of it , against the greedie dumb dogs , that sought for their gain from their quarter ; and did jeremiah , ezekiel , micha , and malachy , cry against hirelings , and against those that said , the lord saith it , and he never spoke to them , and against them that preached for hire , and that divined for money , and that taught for the fleece , and yet leaned upon the lord as your pharisee doth , saying , is not the lord among us ? and from this same light do we declare against all such , and seeth them to be abomination to the lord , now as they did then , praised , praised be the lord for ever , for now the abominations of the whore is made manifest that sitteth upon manie waters , that hath made all nations drunk with the wine of her fornication , and now is the judgment of the whore come , and the day wherein she must reckon to drink the wine of the wrath of god ; and he who was , and is this light , cried wo against then that said , and did not ; and against them that had the chiefest place in the assemblies , and that were called of men , masters : this same light do i witness , to be made manifest from god the father of light , and am not ashamed to declare it before men , for he that denies christ before men , he must be denied by christ before the father ; and this light lived the saints in , and spoke from , who were called mad-men , and deceivers of them that professed truth in word , but persecuted them in whom the son was born and made manifest , in which generation you and your priest dailie makes manifest your selves to be , therefore repent , and come down ye high minds and lifted up spirits , for the lord is against you , and hearken to the light of god in you , and wait in it according to measure , and cease from all your formal , customarie , traditional worshipping , and from all your dumb teachers , who are antichrists , and denies the light as having enlightened everie one ; this light is the onlie way to the father , which all must ( who comes to god ) follow and walk in , for he that walks not in this light , walks in darkness , and stumbles , and knows not whither he goes ; and there are all priests and people in darkness and ignorance , who walks not in this light ; therefore love the light and obey it , it will separate you from all filthiness and corruption , and lead you into puritie and holiness , without which none shall see god , and here is your teacher alwaies present with you , which teaches to denie ungodliness , and the wicked waies of this world ; he who walked in this light , by this light saw all the world to lie in wickedness , but said they were of god , and all that were of god heard them who dwelt in the light , but he who disobeyes this light , follows the blind guids of the world as you do , and sets up teachers to themselves having itching ears , and that ministerie is of man , and by man called to the ministerie by the earthlie powers , by earthlie magistrates , or at oxford , cambridge , or newcastle , all this ministerie , who is here called is by man , and their gospel is of man , which the true gospel is not , and he that hath the word of god to declare from god , his call is not by man , neither doth he go to man to be approved ; for he that preached the true gospel , consulted not with flesh and blood , and so it is now , the same thing do we witness , and to be ministers of the everlasting gospel , called not by man , but by god , praised be the lord for ever , from generation to generation , who hath revealed himself unto babes , and hath hid himself from the wise and prudent of this world ; stop your mouths ye ministers , which is by man , which gospel is according to man , for now the lord is arising , whose angel is gone forth preaching the everlasting gospel : sing praises to the lord for ever ye redeemed ones , who are brought from under the emptie , dead , deceitful ministerie , which is by man , to be true witnesses of the true ministerie which is of god : therefore be ashamed ye upholders of the deceitful ministerie , which is but the ministerie of witchcraft , by which your eies are darkned , and under which your souls lieth in blindness and ignorance under the power of witchcraft and sorcerie ▪ be confounded ye back-sliders , who once heard the word with joy , and received it ; who were once among us , yet not of us ; who hath chosen the glorie of this world , rather than the everlasting truth , and hath sold your birth-right of the everlasting inheritance , for the satisfying of your earthlie minds , with the earthlie treasures : hear the word of the lord ye sloathful servants , who not abiding waiting upon god , eats and drinks with the drunkards , and beats your fellow servants , and are now become haters , mockers , and revilers , suddenlie will the lord come and cut you all asunder , and give you your portion in the lake that burns with fire , except you repent : repent you back-sliders , and consider ye that forgot god , now while you have time , before the lord swear in his wrath that ye shall not enter ; hearken to that which convinceth you of your filthiness , the light of god within you , which shall eternallie witness us to be true , which light shall be your condemnation , because you love darkness rather than light ; ye are returned with the dog to his vomit , and with the sow to the wallowing in the mire , your latter end is worse than your beginning , and the parable is fulfilled upon you , for lying against the truth will the lord plead with you , and wo will be your portion for ever , for the liars shall not enter into the kingdom of god ; therefore all people fear the living god , and prise your time , and see where you are , his servants you are unto whom you do obey ; all must give an account to the living god , and must receive according to what is done in the bodie ; in such an hour will the master come which you are not aware of , and will take account of your stewardship , for god hath given unto everie one a talent , therefore spend not awaie your time in wickedness , and in a deceitful profession of god , feeding your dark minds with the dead formal preaching , of your dead carnal blind pharisee , but hearken to the light of god within you , and improve everie one his talent , the good and faithful servant improves his to the honor and riches of his master , but the sloathful servant hides his in the earth , living in the filthiness , saying he hath no power ; now see which servant you are , and read your selves within , how you stood covered in the presence of the living god , for wo unto him that is covered but not with the spirit of the lord ; the servants of god brings forth fruit unto god , bears the image of their father , and the servants of the devil brings forth fruits of darkness , and bears the image of the devil , which is glorious to the carnal eie , and feeds the carnal mind : the seed of the woman is but one in all generations , and the seed of the serpent is but one , which ever was , is ruling and reigning in the children of disobedience , who are disobedient to the light of god within them ; and betwixt these two seeds is enmitie , the one against the other , each seed is known by its fruit ; the old bottle pours out old wine , the new bottle new wine ; therefore all people sink down to within , and call in all your wandring thoughts , imaginations and affections , and desires , and see which seed is head in you , and see what your desires and affections goes out after , for where your hearts are , there is your treasure ; see what you do possess of god in your souls , and what you are made witnesses of , for he that believeth hath the witness in himself , and faith is the victorie over the world , he that can receive it ▪ let him : dear people , i have freelie declared to you the truth , and from the love of god shed abroad in my heart to your souls , and for the seed sake in you , which lieth in death , captivated under your wisdom and reason , have i spoken the word of the lord , which if you own it , and abide in it , shall be the savor of life , and in eternal joy shall you witness me to be true in what i have declared , but if you harden your hearts , and kick against the truth , and against what i have declared , shall be the savor of death unto death , and in eternal torment and miserie shall ye witness me in what i say , for to that which should exercise the conscience do i speak in everie one of you , and to that in you have i cleared my conscience , and have freed my spirit ; this is the day of your visitation , the mouth of the lord hath spoken it : remember that you have been shewed the deceits which you live in , and have been warned of the miserie and desolation that shall come upon you , except you lay these things to heart , and turn to the lord . farewel . by him who is dispised , and had in derision among you , who is not greater than his lord ; and therefore is contented to be called a blasphemer and a seducer , as he whom i serve was , by them of your generation . e. b. to all you my countrie people of everie degree , who are inhabitants in vnder-barrow , have i cleared my conscience , and have freelie declared to you the word of the lord , and have laid open the deceits of your deceitful ministerie and minister , and have directed you to that in everie one of you which leads unto god , and which is the way to the father , which is the true light which hath enlightned everie one that comes into the world , which light all who loves and follows , walks not in darkness , but walks up to god out of the fall , from under the curse , into the being ; but all who hates this light , and follows the imagination of their own brains , and of the divination of their hirelings and pharisees , this light shall be their condemnation , because they walk not in it ; even this light , which is come into the world in everie man , even the witness in the conscience which is placed by god , shall for ever witness against you , and against all your false worships and hirelings , and shall bear testimonie to what i have in this little volume declared to be true , when the book of conscience shall be laid open , for to everie mans conscience am i made manifest in what i have to you declared as concerning your hireling whom god hath never sent , but is in the way of the false prophets and pharisees , for he that abides not in the doctrine of christ hath not god , 2 john 1. 9. but is an antichrist , and of the devil . and as concerning the light within you , that light will bear witness to it self , that everie one of you to whom i speak , hath this light , which shews you sin , your lying , swearing , pride , and wikced waies , covetousness and wantonness to be sin : this is the true light , which is , as ever was , foolishness and a stumbling block to the wise ones : this is the light which your pharisee denies to have lightned everie one , and this light shall for ever witness me to be true , and shall witness this poor people among you who is despised & contemned by you , & scornfully called quakers , to be the servants of god , whom i do own as my brethren in the sufferings of jesus , who are my joy in the lord . now all people everie where , to you all , a word from the lord , though i have spoken in this small volume , as moved by the lord of heaven and earth , to the inhabitants of vnderbarrow , as declaring against their false teacher , and false worships which they uphold : now freelie and plainlie do i declare against all thy teachers , o england , who are one in the same generation with him in the seat of christ , and of his apostles , professing themselves to be sent of god , but walking contrarie to his commands , in the same footsteps which the scribes and pharisees walked in , which were persecutors of the son of god ; and which he cried wo against , they who said and did not , as all these thy teachers do , who are called of men masters as they were , and have the chiefest place in the assemblies as they had , and praied standing as these thy professed ministers do : now the same light which ever was , the saints did , which is , jesus christ is now born and made manifest , which is witnessed among the saints , in which light i see all thy teachers , o england , to be drunk with the wine of her that hath deceived the nations , who sits upon a scarlet coloured beast , and is arrayed in purple and scarlet colour , and decked with gold and precious stones , and hath the golden cup in her hand full of abominations , whose name is writen in her forehead , mystery , babylon the great , the mother of harlots , and abomination of the earth : and in this light do i declare against them all which are in the generation of the false prophets of israel , which seeks for their gain from their quarter , and which steals the word from their neighbor , and have taken the words of the prophets of christ and of his apostles and selleth the divination of their own brain upon the scriptures , which the holie men speak forth freelie to the poor blind people , and teacheth for the fleece ; and if ye stop not into their mouths , they prepare war against you , and which are called of men master , which christ forbids : against all these freelie ( as from the lord ) i do declare to be no ministers of jesus christ , but are seducers , and blind guides , and are antichrists , and leads the poor blind people in the waies of death and destruction ; for they are no ministers of christ that abides not in the doctrine of christ : these have run , but hath not been sent by god , and therefore is not your souls profited by them , but are in the dark heathenish nature , as by your fruits is made manifest , leaning in the imaginations , and not in the counsel of the lord , and in lying , swearing , drunkenness , covetousness , and oppression , and according to the course of this world ; these iniquities are ruling among people , priests , and rulers in this nation , from the least of them even to the greatest , everie one is given to covetousness , from the prophet even to the priest , everie one deals falselie : all your hirelings and greedie dumb dogs i do denie , and all who are of god denies all such , and are taught of god in the waies of god , which ever the world derided : all thy teachers , o england , is denied of them who are taught of god , and whose teacher is the anointing , needs not anie man to teach them : and by thy teachers who are in the way of the pharisees , art thou blindlie led in the waies of darkness and ignorance , and all thy carnal worship , which is in everie part of thee upheld , which is to read , sing , and preach upon the saints conditions , which were witnesses of god : all this i do denie and freelie declare against as from the mouth of the lord , to be no worship of god , but imagination and an imitation of the worship of god : and the living eternal god of heaven and earth is but mocked by you , in your imagined worship ; for your reading of anothers condition , and singing of that which you live not in , and preaching that which is gathered from without by imagination , and conceiving upon that which the prophet prophesied , or which christ spoke , who was , and is the substance , and which the apostles witnesses ; this is carnal and heathenish , and was never commanded by the lord , nor is no worship of the true god , and against this worship i do from the lord declare , as in the eternal light of god seeing it , to be deceitful and abomination to the lord , being i am redeemed up to god by his eternal spirit , and to worship in spirit and in truth , and am not limited to a day , place , or time ; neither at jerusalem , nor in this mount , &c. and am freed and redeemed out of this fallen mans invention and tradition , which is but cains sacrifice , which god doth not accept , but is abomination in his sight , praised be the lord for evermore . and o england , i do declare against all these thy teachers , and against all this thy worship , as from the mouth of the lord , as moved of the lord to speak this word unto thee , thou hast spent thy money this manie generations for that which is not bread , and thy labor for that which doth not satisfie thee , all thy imagined formal worships and carnal traditions and ordinances of man is the lord risen in his servant to declare against : and the same light which ever made manifest deceitful worships , and the deceitful hirelings , and them that cried , peace , peace to the people when the lord spake no peace , is now risen and speaketh in thy ears , o nation , the same everlasting light , which the true prophets lived in , who cried against them that sought for their gain from their quarter , and that cried against the horrible filthie thing which is upheld in thee , o england , this same light is made manifest in the despised people , called quakers , in this north part of the nation , o people ; your teachers hath beguiled you , and have taught for the fleece , and fed themselves with the fat , but your souls are hungred by them : for they are in the generation of them that said and did not , they love the wages of unrighteousnes , and follows the error of balaam for reward , and have devoured souls for dishonest gain ; but the onlie true god is arising to beat the mountains to dust , and to cleave the rocks asunder : in thee , o land , will the lord make manifest his power , and will stretch forth his arm for the deliverance of his chosen , and for the redemption of his two witnesses , which hath laid slain in the great city in this land , which they that dwell upon the earth have rejoiced over , and made merrie , and triumphed in their slaughter ; the lord is arising to require his flock at the hands of the idols shepheard . o ye idol dumb shepheards , the lord will be avenged upon you , for you have scattered the sheep of his pasture , and have fed your selves with them ; the lord of hosts is grieved with you , and have shaken his hands at your dishonest gain , and ye shall no longer wear garments to deceive ; ye have long deceived the simple by your lies , and by your lightness , but now you are discovered and made manifest in the eternal light of god , and the mysterie of witchcraft is not hid now from the saints : therefore , o england , hear the word of the lord , thy prophets are light and treacherous persons , thy judges , judges for reward , and thy priests preach for hire , and thy officers imprisons the just , and thy rulers are evening wolves , which seeks for the prey , and the lord of heaven and earth is grieved with these things , therefore , o land , tremble at the presence of the lord god of jacob , for esau shall become a place for dragons , and shall be disinhabited in the day of mourning , and lamentation is coming upon thee , for that which the lord hath not planted will he pluck up , and everie corrupt tree shall be cast into the fire : all thy corrupt judges , and officers , and rulers will the lord cut off utterlie from the face of the earth , and will restore to his people judges as at the first , and counsellers as at the beginning : the mouth of the lord hath spoken it : therefore , o land ▪ prepare to meet the lord thy god by true repentance , by putting off the works of darkness , thy pride and thy oppression , o nation , is seen by the lord , and the cry of the oppressed through thy pride and tyrannie is heard in the eares of the lord of sabbath , and he will avenge the cause of the poor and needie ; that is , oppressed by priests in their tythes , by lawyers in their fees , and by officers in their unrighteous dealings : and the seed of abraham shall go free , and israel shall no longer be subject to pharaoh , nor to his tax-masters . o england , in the north part of thee is the light of god arisen , which shines clearlie , and which discovers the abomination of thy teachers and of thy worship , and we are bold to declare against them , and against all thy corrupt officers , judges , and rulers , and this light shall shine through the nation , and shall be spread over kingdoms , and the fire is to be kindled which the lord hath promised , which shall burn as an oven , and the proud and all that do wickedlie , shall be as stubble : this fire shall proceed out of the mouth of the two witnesses , as it did before they were slain , and shall devour the enemies of the lord : the sword of the lord is drawn in thee , o nation , and put into the hands of them which is hated and despised by the rulers and officers , which is scornfullie called quakers , but they shall conquer by the sword of the lord which the lord hath put into their hands , over countries and dominions : for , o nation , the lord is with them , and thy unjust rulers and officers cannot hurt them , not a hair of their head shall perish without my heavenlie father : it is for a testimonie of their fathers love to them that they suffer shame and reproach , and some of them imprisonment by the unjust rulers , and for a witness against them that some of them are brought before them , the lord is chusing the weak things of this world , and he is making manifest his counsels to babes , and revealing his counsel and eternal truth to children , and keeps his hidden treasures from the eyes of the wise , and vulturous ones , praises , praises be to him for evermore : for the lion of judah is opening , and hath opened the sealed book , let all his saints rejoice for evermore . this is the day of thy visitation , o nation , wherein the lord speaks to thee by the mouth of his servants in word and writing , therefore return to the lord thy god from whence thou art fallen : now will the lord gather his jewels and chosen ones out of thee , and will raise up the dead which lies slain under thy teachers and pharisees , which makes a prey upon the people , which was never sent by god to speak unto thee . o land , hear the word of the lord , depart from all thy teachers , for the lord hath drawn his sword , and lifted up against the false prophet , and the vials of indignation shall be poured upon him , and upon , all that hpholds him in his whoredoms , and witchcraft , by which he deceiveth the simple ; therefore lest thou be partaker of their plagues , depart from them : and all people , mind that measure of light within you , which the lord hath lightened everie one of you withal , for the lord is risen to teach his people himself , and he is fulfilling his prophesie in thy ears , o nation , they shall teach no more everie man his neighbor and every man his brother , saying , know the lord ; for they shall all know me , from the least of them unto the greatest of them saith the lord ; for i will put my law in thine inward parts , and write it in their hearts , jer. 31. 33. the lord is about his great and wonderful work in thee , and all the wars and contentions in thee , o land , hath but been a making way for this work of the lord , and hath not been the work which the lord hath purposed : this work is made known to them that feareth the lord , and abideth in his counsel : the lord will overturn , overturn the nation , and will create new heavens and new earth , wherein shall dwell righteousness , in which all the chosen of the lord shall rejoice for evermore ; and all the kings and nobles shall cast down their crowns before this glorie : and all the men of war shall lay down their armour and weapons of war : and nation shall not lift up a sword against nation any more : for the lord will establish righteousness and peace ; this will the lord bring to pass in thee , o england , through the destruction of that which now liveth , and through the resurrection of that to life which now lieth in death : hear , o land , give eare , o people , for the lord of heaven and earth is now turning the world up-side down , all old things shall pass away , all things shall become new by fire , and by his sword will the lord plead with all flesh , and the slain of him shall be manie ; corrupt judges and officers will the lord sweep away , and their name shall no more be found in the nation , the fire is kindled and the sword is drawn , happie is he that keepeth himself from fighting against the lord in this his work , & happie are ye , o brethren , that stands faithful to the end to see these things accomplished , great shall be the battel , it is now begun , many shall see death , & shall yet live to see these things . to all the despised and contemned ones , who are persecuted , and shamefully entreated by the generation of the chief priests , and by them who liveth in the highest profession in the word outwardlie , ye who are the scorn of the nation , and the derision of all the heathen , and are called quakers ; you are my brethren , children of my father , have been brought forth by the same womb , and have sucked the same breast ; ye are chosen out of the world , out of all worldly glories , and earthlie excellencies , and are not of this world , and therefore the world hateth you , you are brought out of the broad way of the flesh , & are separated from all the world in their waies , worships , and forms of religion , and are redeemed out of the mouths of all idoll dumb shepheards , and hath one shepheard , and are gathered from all the mountains , and out of all the desolate disinhabited places , and are come into the pleasant sheepfold , where is green pastures and fresh springs of living waters : by faith with abraham are ye come out of your native countrie from among your kindred , and out of your fathers house : and with moses have you forsaken the glorie of pharaohs house , and chused rather to suffer affliction among the poor despised people , than to have enjoied the pleasures of sin ; but great shall be your reward ye contemned ones , glorie , and honor , and everlasting happiness is prepared for you if you , stand faithful to the end , the lord is with you as a mightie terrible one , and therefore shall all your persecuters be ashamed and confounded , the sound of a trumpet is heard among you , which makes all nations at a stand , and all the heathen to wonder , and all the rulers , nobles , and chief priests are in consultation , combining together to suppress the armie of the lord of hosts , which he is gathering together : fear not , nor be dismaid , for the sounding of your trumpet causes an alarum , and makes all the inhabitants of the land to tremble , and all bowes before the sound of it ; for the sound of it is terrible to the nations , to all kingdoms and dominions the lord of heaven and earth is your captain , which rides upon the clouds , and whose glorie is above the world , and therfore in the battel shal you obtain the conquest , and all your enemies shall be put to flight , and one of you shall chase a thousand , for he is with you who hath all power in his hand , and all your enemies are limited by him , therefore be not discouraged at the raging and swelling words of your adversaries , but be bold and valiant and faithful to him , for his is the victorie , and by his own right hand will he get himself the victorie ; ye are my fellow souldiers and fellow members of the same body , and my joy in the lord , stand faithful to the lord and be bold and valiant for the truth upon earth , for you hath the lord chosen of all the families of the earth to place his name among , the lord of glorie is among you , and he will glorifie his name by you , he wil accomplish his wonders , and make his power known , and the greatness of his name in the sight of the heathen , let all flesh be silent before him , and let all the pharisees , and chief priests , & the wise men of the earth stop their mouths before the lord , for you have the word of the lord , and you are made partakers of the everlasting wisdom , and are the beloved of god , for his eternal son is born and brought forth among you , and therefore doth the wise men and chief priests consult to take his life ; but wo unto you persecuters , for they are the seed of evil doers , and better it were that a milstone were hanged about their necks and they cast into the sea , for the lord hath sought you to worship him , and he is worshiped by you in spirit and in truth , your sacrifice is accepted , and therefore they that are of cains generation persecutes you seeking after your blood : you are made partakers of the blessing , and therefore doth esau threaten your destruction , but your preserver is the lord of hosts , and therefore shall all their consultations be disappointed : for wo unto them that digs deep to hide their counsel from the lord , and that takes counsel but not at the lord ; all ye my brethren , be ye faithful and obedient to him who hath called and chosen you out from among the heathen , out of all imagined worships to worship in truth , serve the lord in singlness of heart , and give up all to him freelie to be ordered and disposed by him , & look not back at the glorie of sodom , nor at the riches of egypt , but follow him , who hath enlightened your dark understandings , & hath gathered you up by his eternal light , walk in obedience to the law of god , and to the light made manifest , for the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far countrie , which hath given talents to his servants to improve , now all you my beloved ones , improve every one your t●●●… that the lord may receive his own with usurie , that he may be glorified , and that you all may receive a reward , therefore all be bold and valiant in the truth , and fear not man but fear the lord god almightie , and walk in the fear of the living god and despise not the cross of christ , but let the cross be your rejoicing , for through the cross is the power of the lord made manifest : rejoyce for ever and be exceeding glad that you are counted worthie to suffer shame and reproach , and some of you imprisonment for the truths sake : thus it was ever , he that was born after the f●esh , persecutes him that 's born after the spirit but be glad and rejoyce in the lord , for you hath he chosen and called even to shine as light in the dark world , and to be as a burthensome stone to the nations , your fame is gone abroad through nations , and because of the man child that is born is the nations troubled and the chief priests and rulers combined together , but that the lord may be glorified , and for your sakes will he scatter the proud in their imaginations , and will break in pieces the snares which the pharisees & chief priests have laid for your feet , and they shall be taken in their own craftiness , & fall into the pit which they have diged for you , for the lord , who hath called you , will set you upon a rock , & will preserve you out of the mouths of cunning wolves who devours souls for dishonest gain : sing praises for ever to the lord our god , who hath chosen us to make manifest his love and truth unto , and hath gathered us up out of the mouth of all idolshepherds that made a prey upon us , and from all the mountains & hills where we were scattered in the cloudy & dark day , where we were devoured by the wild beasts , being without shepheard and sheepfold , but praises , glorie , and honor for evermore that we are freed out of the crueltie of pharash , & from under his tax masters , which lies heavie burdens upon the people , rejoyce and he glad in faithfullness & truth unto our king for ever , who is the lion of the tribe of judah , who hath opened the book , and unlosed the seals , and hath led us to himself , and by suffering under all are we made kings and priests over all for evermore , he alone is worthie to be praised , who hath avenged us of our adversaries , & hath given her to drink of the wine of the warth of god , who once made us drink of the wine of her fornication ; i am with you , you despised ones , and my prayers are for you , and the eternal glorious god of power be with you , and keep you in the middest of this crooked and perverse generation , for this generation seeks the blood of the saints ; the beast , which was , is , and now makes war against the lambe . e b. a true declaration , and a discovery to all the world of my manner of life ; what i have been , and what now i am at present . i was brought up by my natural parents in the profession of religion , according to the generalitie of this nation , going one day in seven to hear a man preach the word , as they said to me , and to be exercised in the formal worship wch was then upheld , to reade and sing , and to rabble over a praier ; but i was wanton and light , and lived in pleasure , without the fear of god , not knowing of god but by hear-say , and tradition ; but when i grew up toward twelve years of age , somthing stirred in me , and shewed me , that there was a higher religion than that i was exercised in ; and then i inquired where the chiefest of the presbyterian priests preached , and would have gone some miles of a first day to have heard one of the best of them , which seemed liker truth than the other , and so i got up to be a presbyterian , and followed the highest of the priests and professors of that form , and grew in favor with them , then some small of my vanity and lightness i left , and pride grew up in me , for wisdom grew up in me , then some of my former acquaintance began to scorn me , calling me a round-head , and the like ; and by my laboring here , i gathered knowledge in things without , but yet was ignorant of the living truth : then when i was about seventeen years of age , it pleased god to shew himself a little to me , and somthing struck me with terror , and when i had been praying , i heard the voice often , thou art ignorant of god , thou knowest not where he is , nor what he is ; to what purpose is thy prayer ? and so much fear and dread came upon me , and broke me off from praying manie times , and trouble came thick into my mind , and fearfulness fell many times upon me , and i was struck off my delights that i formerly loved , and what i had gathered in as of a god , died ; and i left off reading in the scripture , for somthing shewed me that i was very ignorant , and knew not the true god , and the beauty of all things vanished ; and i went to some , asking , what god was , which was professed ? for i said , i knew him not : but got no satisfaction from any . and i was much separated from the vain waies of the world , and from vain worldlie people , and was made to reprove manie , often , for wickedness , in words and actions , and was much derided , and looked upon scornfully by manie ; and then the preaching of them whom i had formerly much delighted in , was as withered and decayed , yet then it pleased the lord to snew himself a little in love to me , and i had sweet refreshments coming in from him to my soul , and had joy and peace in abundance , and openings of the living truth in me , which the world knew not of , and the mysterie of the scripture was somthing opened , which before i knew nothing of , and i saw manie glorious things in it , which lie hid under the letter ; and i was in much rejoycing manie times , and sang praise , for i was brought out of the land of darkness , & could say , i was in the light , & i grew up to know high things ; but not knowing the cross of christ , i ran forth in my wisdom comprehending the mysteries of god , having a light shined in me , and i grew up into notion , to talk of high things , for it was my delight to comprehend in my busie mind thus being ignorant of the cross to keep low in it , i ran before my guide up into comprehension , and then was i above manie of the priests and professors , and followed only to hear the highest notionists , that preached high things , but the fleshlie man was at libertie , and so i became one of them in their discoursings , and was looked upon by them to know much ; the former terror was gone , and i had got up from under the judgement , and now pride grew more than ever , and self-conceitedness and presumption , and fleshly liberty to the carnal mind , and my delight was much in discoursing , where i played the harlot , and the prodigal , and gave holy things unto dogs ▪ and cast pearls before swine ( for wisdom was hid from me ) and here i lived pleasantlie , for i had the true god , and the true truth in my comprehension , which by my wisdom in the light i had comprehended , and i had the world in my heart , pride , coverousness , and the earthly spirit ruled , and my delight was grown up to that , which once i had no delight in , and the beauty of things grew up , which seemed to be vanished , here i was run from my husband after other lovers , and had left the lord my maker , who had so graciously made manifest himself unto me , and had spended my portion among harlots ; but i became to be darkned , and had lost that which once i had , and had but in memory that which before i had injoyed , could tell of experiences , but they were dead to me ; and somthing within me began to question how it was with me ; for i saw my self to be ignorant more than formerly , and i saw i knew nothing ; somthing desiring in me to be from whence i was come , but i grew to be much given to the world to seek after riches , and glorie in it ; and ▪ fed my self with what i had formerlie enjoyed , and said , whom god loves once , he loves for ever : ( but that was then head , and ruled in me , which he loved never ) i was wanton , and lived in the lustful nature , among heathens , crucifying the lord of life , but the blood of that which i had slain , cried continually , and the witness which laid slain , would give me no rest , which the earthly made merrie over ; and i grew to be weary of hearing any of the priests , though never so high , for somthing , which shined deep in me , shewed me ignorance in all profession , and i was put to a stand many times in my self at those things , which were come to pass ; then it pleased the lord to send his true and faithful servant and messenger , who is called according to the flesh , geo. fax . be spoke the language which i knew not , notwithstanding all my high talking , for it was higher , and yet lower : and it pleased the lord to speak to me by him , that i was in the prodigal state , and above the cross of christ , and not in the pure fear of the lord , but full of corruption and the old nature , though i had professed freedom , yet it was but such as the jewes professed ; for i saw my self to be in bondage to my own will , and to my own lust ; and through the word of the lord spoken to me by him , i began to see my self ( the witness being raised ) where i was , and what i had been doing , and saw i had been making an image to the first beast , which had the wound by a sword and did live , whose deadly wound was healed , and was full of airie notions and imaginations , and was worshipping the image which i had made , and then i saw my self to be a child of wrath , and that the son of the bond-woman lived , and that harlots had been my companions , and was no more worthie to be called a son : then trouble and distress came upon me , such as was not since the beginning of the world , and i was at my wits end , and a day of thick darkness and trouble , a day of weeping , and mourning , and miserie , and a day of vengance and recompence , came upon me , such as i had never known ; one vial of wrath after another , the great whore was to be judged , and to drink of the wine of the wrath of god , which had made me once drunk with the wine of her fornication , and then i separated from all the glory of the world , and from all my acquaintance , and kindred , and betook my self to the company of a poor despised and contemned people called quakers , and now am i one in that generation , which is , and ever was , hated of the world , by the chief priests and pharisees , and generation of serpents , and hath chosen rather to suffer affliction with a poor despised people , than to injoy the pleasures of sin with the great multitude ( though the worldly pleasures was not wanting to me ) and now do i bear witness against all forms of religion , and false hirelings , and chief priests , who walks in the steps of the scribes and pharisees , and of the false prophets of israel , and was never sent of god to declare his word : and do freely declare against all out-side profession , and notion , and do witness geo. fox to be a true minister of god , one that speaks the word of the lord from his mouth , one who was sent of god , and who is the servant and messenger of the living god , he is the friend of god , and wo unto his persecutors , they are the seed of evil doers ; and now i am despised of my neighbors and carnal acquaintance , and is not greater than my lord who was called a blasphemer and a deceiver as now i am , but praised , praised be the lord for evermore , who hath separated me from the world and worldly glories , and hath made me a partaker of his love , in whom my soul hath full satisfaction , joy , and content : thus have i travelled through the world , even unto the end , and am now come to the beginning of that which never shall have end , which the dark mind of man knows not . e. b. i am a prisoner for the truth sake , and for declaring to man of his wickedness , and of his transgression , of the spiritual law of god which is spiritual , and for writing of a letter which was written from god , to shew to man of his wicked waies , and how he stood in the presence of god , as by the spiritual light of god ( which shines in the hearts of his servants ) was discovered and made manifest unto me , for who speaks , writes , or declares , from the light of god ( which doth discover all the dark paths of fallen man , and all his spiritual wickedness ) speaks , writes , and declares not as from man , whose light is only natural and carnal , ( which is darkness in the pure light which is eternal ) but as from god , whose light is spiritual , and doth make manifest the secret whordom of fallen man ; and from this light did the prophets and ministers of god , who were sent by him to reprove sin and transgression , speak , write , and declare , and in this light did the true prophets jeremiah , and hosea , discover israel to be adulterous , and in the presence of god to be guilty of whordom , from whose presence they declared : and all now who are sent of god , to reprove for sin and iniquity , declares from the same light of god , and by the same spirit which jeremiah and hosea did , for the pure light of god is but one , from generation to generation , in all generations which discovers sin and iniquity , the same light now , as in the time of the prophets and apostles : and from this light ( which is not carnal , but eternal ) did all the holy men of god write , and declare ; and all who are sent of god now , witnesses the same light , and speaks from the same light now , as they did then ; for , who cannot witness this light , are no ministers of god , neither ever were sent of god , to declare the truth from god , but are deceivers and blind guides , and speaks from the natural and carnal light , the imagined and supposed light , which hath not seen the living and spiritual god ; for declaring by writing to a man that he is guilty of all manner of wickedness , naming , pride , drunkenness , and whordom , i am imprisoned ; i wrote not as from man , whose light is only natural and carnal , and doth only make manifest carnal transgressions , of a carnal law , but as from the eternal and spiritual light , which doth make manifest spiritual transgressions of a spiritual law ; and in this light , is he to whom i wrote , guilty of all manner of wickedness : now this which i declared from god who is spiritual , is above the reach and comprehension of the carnal and earthly law , for by the natural light through the earthly law , is no natural man able to judge , of that which is spoken or declared from that which is eternal , and spiritual , ( for darkness cannot comprehend the light ) which light all the servants and ministers of god are guided by , to act , speak , or write ; and therefore do i deny to have this cause put into the judgement of carnal lawyers , who judges by the natural light , through the earthly and carnal law , yet willing i am before any authority to answer for my self , that whereof i am accused , but to the judgement of earthly magistrates i do not stand , but to the judgement of the living and eternal judge , who judges not according to the sight of the eyes , and hearing of the eares , but who judges with equity and righteousness , thus rather i chuse to suffer imprisonment in the body , yet free as to god in the truth , waiting to be redeemed , not by the earthly powers , through the earthly law , but by him who is eternal , whose law is eternal , who orders all things by his mighty power , to which power i give up my self to be kept in it , and ordered by it continually . here i have given to all people the ground of my imprisonment in the particular of it , though i might in few words have declared the thing ; for between the seed of the woman , and the seed of the serpent , is enmity put ; and he in whom the seed of the serpent is ruling , seeks the destruction of him in whom the seed of the woman is raised : and here is the ground of all the saints imprisonment , now as ever was , the envie of the devil working in fallen man , against the living truth of god , where it is made manifest . e. b. finis . notes, typically marginal, from the original text notes for div a77973e-140 act. 6. 58. from 51. isa. 56. 10 , 11. jer. 1. 6. jon. 1. 2 , 3. gal. 1. 1 isa. 66. 3. joh. 9. 21. prov. 15. 9. isa. 55. 6. mat. 2. 5. joh. 8. 44. mat. 23. 3. 27. mat. 2. 5. isa. 5. 20. jer. 5. 31. jer. 23. 14. joh 14. 6. mat. 23. 13. gal. 1. 1. 12 gal. 6. 7. mal 4. 1. mat. 3. 〈◊〉 . 2 cor. 10. 14. joh. 6. 53. 1 cor. 14. 15. eph. 5. 19. rev. 14. 3. isa. ●5 . 10. amos 6. 5. rom. 2. 6. mat. 〈◊〉 . 1 cor. 1. 18 21 1 cor. 2 4 rom. 10. 8. 17 isa. 66. 18 mat. 12. 34. mat. 7. 18 1 cor. 3. 11 joh. 1. 9. mat. 7. 26 jer. 23. 29 mat. 6. 5 luk. 24. 5 joh. 14 6 isa. 2. 2● . isa. 29. 13 ezek. 33. 31 jer. 5 31 luk. 6. 26 joh. 5. 43 eze. 14 9 prov. 21. 15 amos 5. 18 mat. 23 mat. 23. 35 isa. 1. 6 mal . 1. 1 2 thess. 1. 8 mal . 3. 2 isa. 33. 14 jer 9. 25 jer. ● . 20 rev. 6. 16 h●b. 1. 13 psal. 102. 7 mic. . 3. 11 jer. 23. 31 mar. 3. 10 heb. 4 12 joel 2. 2. 10 12 exod. 7. 8. 9 chap. rev. 14 7 pro. 28. 13 ioh. 1. 5. 9 ioh. 8. 12 ioh. 11. 9. 10 iude 1. 4 tit. 2. 11. 12 ezek. 34. from 2 to 9 micha 3. 5 ● ioh. 1. 7 ezek. 22. 26 is . 56. 10 , 11 rev. 13. 10 ezek. 34 2 cor. 4 ● rev. 3 20 col. 3. 8 , 9 mat. 24. 4● to 51 ioel 2. 12. isa. 1. 16 isa. 2. 12. ioel 2. 2 1 joh. 1. 7 iohn . 4. 24 1 thess. 1. 1 iohn 3. 19 ▪ iohn 14 6 mat. 23. 4 isa. 56 ier. 23 ezek. 34 micha . 3 mal. 2 rev. 17. 1 , 2 , 3 mat. 23 mat. 10. 33 acts 26 24 john 14. 6 1 john ● , 10 , 11 1 joh. 5. 19 1 john 4. 6 2. tim. 4 , 3 gal. 1. 16 mat. 11. 25 rev. 14 6. nah● . 3. 4 mat. 13. 25 mat. 24 4● . to the end . psa. 50. 22 john 3. 19 2 pet. 2. 20 22 rev. 21. 8 rom 6. 16 rom. 2. 6 luke 16. 2 mat. 25. 20 21 , 24 , 25 isa. 30. 1 1 cor. 11. 7 gal 5. 19 , 20 , 21 gen. 3. 15 mat. 12. 34 2 joh. 5. 10 and 4. vers. a trumpet of the lord sounded out of sion which gives a certaine sound in the eares of all nations and is a true noyse of a fearfull earthquake at hand which shall shake the whole fabrick of the earth ... with a salutation to the seed who are gathered into the fold and with the children of the king ... / by one whose name is truly known by the children of the same birth ... edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a30557 of text r23839 in the english short title catalog (wing b6048). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 70 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 23 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a30557 wing b6048 estc r23839 07915542 ocm 07915542 40393 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30557) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 40393) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 1199:18) a trumpet of the lord sounded out of sion which gives a certaine sound in the eares of all nations and is a true noyse of a fearfull earthquake at hand which shall shake the whole fabrick of the earth ... with a salutation to the seed who are gathered into the fold and with the children of the king ... / by one whose name is truly known by the children of the same birth ... edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. [3], 41 p. printed for giles calvert, london : 1656. imperfect: pages stained with some loss of print. reproduction of original in the huntington library. eng society of friends -apologetic works. a30557 r23839 (wing b6048). civilwar no a trumpet of the lord sounded out of sion: which gives a certaine sound in the eares of all nations, and is a true noyse of a fearfull earth burrough, edward 1656 14139 484 0 0 0 0 0 342 f the rate of 342 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the f category of texts with 100 or more defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-03 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-06 melanie sanders sampled and proofread 2004-06 melanie sanders text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-07 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion trumpet of the lord sounded out of sion : which gives a certaine sound to the eares of all nations , and is a true noyse of a fearfull earthquake at hand , which shall shake the whole fabrick of the earth , and the pillars of its standing shall fall , and never more he set up againe . fearfull voyces of terrrible thunders , uttered forth from the throne , to the astonishment of the heathen 〈…〉 all quarters of the earth who are not sealed in the forehead . and is an alarum , and preparation for war against all nations where gog and magog resideth . and sheweth the wounding sword of the mighty god , from whose blow , the kings , nor the captaines , nor the mighty men , cannot fly to escape declared and written by a son of thunder , as a warning to all the inhabitants of the earth , where the great image is standing , or any part of it worshipped , speedily to meet the lord by repentance , that in the day of his fierce wrath they may be hid . with a salutation to the seed who are gathered into the ●old and with the ●hildren of the king ; the tongue that was dumb sings a joyfull song of sion , in an unknown language , which none can understand , save the redeemed of the lord . by one whose name is truly known by the children of the same birth , but unknown to the world , though by it called edward burrough . london : printed for giles-calvert at the black-spread-eagle , near the west end of pauls . 1656. by order , and authority , given unto me , by the spirt of the living god , king of kings , and lord of lords , the 31 day of the 10 month , in the year of the worlds account 1655 , about the 4 houre in the morning , when my meditations was of my god , upon my bed in kilkenny city , in the nation of ireland , at that time the word of the lord came unto me ( from the righteous judge of heaven and earth , who was , and is , and is to come , who sitteth on the throne of righteous judgement judging nations , and kindreds and tongues , and peoples equally ) saying , write my controversie with all the inhabitants of the earth , unto all sorts of people as i will shew thee ; by this same authority and commission declared , this i send unto you , the tribes of the earth , and this upon your heads shall stand for ever , to be witnessed by the light of christ jesus , in all your consciences , in the dreadfull day of vengeance , which upon you o inhabitants of the earth is coming . prepare , prepare to meet the lord , o nations , tongues , and people unto you all , hereby a warning is come , and a visitation from the presence of the living god , which you are straightly required to put in practise , as at the terrible day of dreadfull vengeance , you will answer the contrary . given under my hand , and sealed by the spirit of the eternall god who lives for ever . through a servant of the lord . e. b. a trumpet of the lord sounded out of sion . o earth , earth , earth , hear the word of the lord , and awake , awake , awake , all ye inhabitants thereof , and give ear , give eare , unto the controversie which the lord hath with you , noble and ignoble , listen unto the word of the lord , men of high degree , and men of low degree , be not stouthearted , nor stop not your eares , for the lord hath spoken , people of all sorts and men of all conditions , the word of the lord is towards you , even from the princes and nobles that sits upon the throne , unto the slaves and bondmen that are made a prey , the lords controversie is against you , and the mighty terrible day of the lord is coming upon you wherein he will plead with you , because of your transgressions which cannot be numbred , but doth exceed theirs in former generations , who was cut off by his outstretched arme . therefore thus saith the lord , now also will i arise , as a mighty man of war , and will appear in my majesty , to gather the nations , and to fan them , and to try them , in the wind of my wrath , and to purge them , and to refine them in the furnace of my fire , of indignation , and jealousie . and this from my mouth is a warning to you , and a sound in your ears , by authority from my spirit . to thee oliver cromwell called protector . thus saith the lord , my controversie is against thee because thou hast not been faithfull to the end , in my work , but hast taken thy rest and ease , and pleasure , upon thy high and lofty mountaine of pride , and vaine glory , and hast set up thy selfe to be worshipped , exalting thy own horne , and hast not fully given glory and honour to me , of that which i have done by thee , but in thy heart boasts thy selfe against me , who hath hewed with thee , and made thee an instrument in my hand to doe my will upon my enemies , and now thou performest not thy vowes made to me in the day of thy distresse , but thou hast broken truce with me , and now thou suffer grievous and hainous oppression and cruelty , and tyranny to be acted in thy name upon my people , whom i have chosen , and elected to exalt my name by , by unjust imprisonments , and grievous persecution doe they suffer in thy name , which the cruell hearted makes a cloke of for their cruelty , and even such who have been thy enemies , thy name is a cloke unto , to hide their cruell intents , and wicked purposes against my people , whom they tread upon , and this is not unknown to thee , and therefore the lesse excusable art then in my sight , and the greater will my judgements be upon thy head , which suddenly i will bring upon thee , except thou repent and returne to thy first integrity , which if thou doe , i will honour thee next unto my chosen , and give thee the necks of princes to tread upon , and their dominion for thy inheritance , otherwise thus shall it be done unto thee if thou wilt not hear , and obey my voyce , saith the lord . to all yee his counsell . thus saith the lord , my controversie is against you , because you are one with him , and every whit fully guilty of his transgressions , and feeds him and your selves in the vallies of vaine glories , with vaine shewes and hopes , and your indeavour is more to secure your selves from misciefe , and plots , and wicked intentions , which remaine in the hearts of the rebellious against you , then to defend and preserve the innocent , for your neglect to take off oppression and to ease the oppressed , but makes your fingers as heavy as your fathers loynes , who were cast out before you , and the same lawes stand still in force , by which tyranny and oppression is acted , and the same false prophets you establish by a law , which deceives the nations , and flatters you by subtile speeches , and there is no pure reformation wrought in the earth , but you with your power joynes with the first beast , who was wounded by a grievous blow of fury , to make war against the lamb , and his followers , and you seek to set up that which i am about to throw down , and you are not ignorant of the grievous cry of the poor , under the burden of oppression , laid upon them by your lawes , by which they unjustly suffer , the imprisonment of their bodies , and the spoiling of their goods , and you suffer this wickednesse to be done , and shuts up your compassion , and the hands of evill doers hereby is strengthned , through your forbearance they are hardned in their cruelty , and because you professe more of the name of the lord , then some that have gone before you , and performes as little , the greater is your abomination , and the deeper is your hypocrisie , and the greater will my judgements be upon your heads , except you speedily repent , and walk in my counsell , which if you doe , honourable in counsell will i make you , and your renown , shall generations to come exalt , otherwise if you refuse my word to hear , i will make you a reproach , and a curse to ages for ever . to all ye judges , and lawyers , and your traine , and to all that handle the law . thus saith the lord , my controversie is against you , because of your abominations , for you are the very actors of the allowed oppressions , and in judging for gifts and rewards , and bribery , some of you have exceeded all that ever went before you , and many just causes of the poor hath been neglected for want of a large gift , and many unjust actions of the rich men have you pleaded , against equity for advantage to your selves , your counsell have respected persons , and in bribery and gifts , have you delighted , and thereby have made your selves as lords in the earth , and have set your selves upon high hills , and you have followed the counsell of your own hearts and your humane wit and learning in seeking out the justnesse of a cause and in judging thereof , and my righteous law of justice , have you not regarded to be your rule , but through the pollicy and craft , have you hidden the simplicity of the law from the ignorant in unknown languages and obscure sentences , and your wills many times hath been your law , and true judgement have you turned backward , and made a fence against equity that it could not enter . some of you are guilty in a high degree of that cruelty and tyranny which of late years hath been acted upon the innocent , yea , you have grinded the face of the poor , imprisonned the harmlesse , and laid heavy burdens and oppressive bonds upon the guiltlesse , who have not transgressed any law , much lesse the law of righteousnes , you have made my freeborn children your slaves , and have highly attempted to sit lords in my throne , of conscience and some of them have suffered , by some of you for the exercise of their pure conscience , because they could not swear , or worship and respect your persons , nor pay tythes ( that grievous oppression ) nor bow to your wills and lusts , in things of the like nature of cruelty : and you are guilty in a gross sum , of upholding the false prophet , which prophesies lies , and falsly , with flattering words of guil , and he covers himself under your shadow , and under your unjust law , which is his staff and strength , and he rides upon the beast , till you be both taken alive , and cast into the lake of everlasting indignation . the cup of my vengeance will awaken you , and my law will for ever condemn you , and my counsel of equity shall plead against you in the court of justice , and my eternal judgement from my throne of righteousness shall proceed in sentence of wrath , and my faithful evidence , the light in your conscience , which hath been eye witness of your vilany against me , shall testifie against you , and shall accuse you guilty of everlasting torment except you repent . to all astrologers magitians , southsayers , and wise-men . thus saith the lord , my controversie is against you , because of your witchcrafts and inchantments , you have digged deep as the pit of hell , to hide your counsel from the lord , and have discovered your selves , in finding out secrets to another , then me , in your natural arts and knowledge you are corrupted the ground being cursed in which you stand . you have in policy and witchcraft sold your selves into the power of darkness , and your original of science and languages , is the serpent , whose image and mark you bear ; your wisdom is divelish , gained by the strength of corrupted reason , which is the habitation of the serpent , whom you have chosen to be your instructor , and exalted for your god : there is a secret sealed from you , and a star whose course you do not know , and a sun eclipsed , of which you make no mention , and a circuit of heaven , of which you know not the compass , and you cannot find out the secret by divination ; but the discovery of it will be the discovering of your sorceries , and the making bare of your inchantments ; your knowledge is in time ; and leadeth not into the understanding of things everlasting , which are without beginning ; my flaming sword is against you , and doth divide you from the tree of eternal life , of which you cannot touch and live ; my wrath shall sweep you out of the land of peace , and my eye which seeth you , shall be the star of condemnation , and darkness unto you , to the confounding of your sun and moon for ever . to all you generals , colonels , and commanders , and officers and souldiers , in england , scotland , and ireland . thus saith the lord , my controversie is against you , for some of you are wofully fallen from that uprightness and integrity which once was in you , and you are abundantly waxed fat and exalted through victories and deliverances , and now you kick against the lord , that hath handled you as instruments in his hand to do his will , and many of you who hath been raised out of the dust , are set down in your high nest of liberty , in the lust and pride , and filthiness of the flesh , and vain glory , and fleshly exaltation abounds , and with greediness you divide the spoil , and some of you takes more by your cruelty and hard heartedness , then justly was given you in victory , and now you being at ease , have forgotten many former straits and dangers delivered from , and in your hearts you say , our hands have gotten the victory , and doth not exalt the lord herein , who somtime eminently hath appeared for you . your enemies themselves being judges , and now you ●read under foot by your might and beastly power , many of my innocent and harmless people , some of which have served you in many tryals , and now they being redeemed from that nature of strife ; you hate them , and doth and suffers violence to be done unto them , and regards it not , but sets it at naught , and though you have said you have labour'd for liberty of conscience in your long travel of war , yet in the birth you have turned your victory into carnal and fleshly liberty to your selves , and into bondage to your brethren , and many promises have you vowed , which you neglect to perform , and the same oppression and kingly power of cruelty stands in dominion under another appearance and member of the great image , the head being but one , and you have only slain the name , and liveth in the nature , and while some of you have been zealous to break down the idols and images without , and herein have served the lord ▪ you are now become worshippers of idols within , and of images set up in your hearts , to the greater dishonour of the lord , who are turned in spiritual idolatry , and more subtile hypocrisie , and secret whoredom , and herein also liveth in the nature of that which you have cut down in the name and the founder of images is not yet confounded , and you are not the least of all that are guilty ( for it is not unknown to you ) of that grievous oppression , and tyrannie , and cruelty , acted upon my servants , who in times past have born a part of the burthen with you in the heat of the day , and though some of you see these iniquities abounding , and the neglect of fulfilling your own vows , and are already asham'd of the oaks which you have design'd and of the gardens which you have chosen , and now is accused guilty in your own conscience for pulling lown and setting up , one thing in the nature , though different in the name , yet you are greedy of your prey and spoil , and doth not confess truth against oppression being branches of the same root , lodging amongst the boughs ▪ and thus are you fallen from your first integrity into pits and snares , and are become one with the harlot , and partakers of the adulterer , murthering and crucifying the just , loving to be blinded by the god of the world , for love to his treasure : mine army terrible shall come against you , and my force shall compass you about , and my sword shall cut you off , and with a mortal blow i will wound you , and deliverance to my chosen will i bring another way , and though i have reproved princes by you , yet you will i reprove , and though i have chastned the mighty and the rebellious by you , yet you will i correct , and all your might and power will i take away , and your weakness shall appear , and dispersed shall you be , before the arrows of my wrath , my alarum will i beat against you , in defiance of your power , and through you , by my weapon of war , will i charge to your overthrow and defeat everlasting , except you repent ▪ saith the lord , in this the day of your visitation ▪ wherein you have a time given to make your peace , and to return to your first integrity out of your rebellion against me , that my hand may be towards you , for my great work is yet to do ▪ which i have thought to bring to pass , and this overturning was but a making way for it , and yet again will i overturn , even you and all that opposes me herein : that my son may reign in his kingdom for ever , whose bondmen and slaves ye shall be , if you submit not , before you be conquered , and this to you is a message for reconciliation , sent from me , and sealed with my spirit saith the lord . to all you who are , and have been always , enemies to the very appearance of righteousnesse , who are called delinquents and cavaliers . thus saith the lord , my controversie is against you , even my hand in judgement is upon you already , and you are become cursed in all your hatchings and endeavours , and from time to time my hand hath been against you in battel , and you have been , and are given up to be a prey to your enemies , for the purpose and intents of your hearts have been known alwaies to be against the form of truth , and much more against my powerful truth it self and because you attempted to take my throne ( consci●nce ) therefore i rose in fury against you , and will have war with all your followers herein for ever , and though my hand hath been evidently against you , yet to this day you remain in rebellion in your minds in hat●hing murder and cruelty in your wicked hearts , and though your kings , and princes , and nobles have been cut off in wrath , and your cruel desperate inventions , and plots of wickedness ( conceived in your cursed womb ) have been broken , and you cut short in your desires , yet you repent not , nor will not see how you are given to be a curse , and a desolation , and a prey , in houses , and lands , and persons , to them whom i raised against you and gave power over you , yet you are hardned , and your cruelty in the persecution of my servants cannot be measured , where you have any power , you smite with the fi●t of wickedness , and count it your glory to despise my name , in the vallies of vain hopes you feed , and on the mountains of foolish expectation , and conceive in your cruel womb of tyrannie , the overthrow of the nations , but in the bringing forth , your selves are overthrown , and it is not for well doing that you suffer , but my hand is against you , and my judgements are upon you , and except you repent , shall continue upon earth with you , and follow you , and pursue you to the lake of destructior , where there is no repentance , and you and your king , and lordly power , ( by which you have thought to exercise lordship over my heritage ) shall be enslaved by the divel in the pit of darkness , in everlasting bondage , where he shall reigne your king and lord for evermore . to all the priests , and prophets , and teachers of the people . thus saith the lord , my controversie is against you , above all other , and my judgements shall be upon you to the uttermost ; for you in hypocrisie , and deceit , and abominations , hath exceeded all other that ever went before you , and are less excusable then they , and more vile in my sight then they that have been made an ut●er desolation , abominable , and loathsome , and hainous , is your filthiness in preaching for hyre , and for gifts , and rewards , and in making a prey upon the people , through divining for money , even feeding your selves with the fat , and killing them that are fed , and have wofully wasted the heritage , and scattered the flock upon the barren mountains , where you treoherously have devoured them , and made merchandise of their souls , and have cryed peace , peace , unto the wicked , one of you building a wall , and another daubing it with untempered morter , you have not stood in my counsel , but have erred from my way , and have not known my judgements , but through covetousness have dealt most wickedly , and profaness is gone forth from you into all corners of the earth , so that none could turn from his evil way , nor learn the way of righteousness and salvation , how shall it be declared and laid open , your transgressions hath much more abounded then in former generations , ye have shut the kingdom of heaven against men , to the destruction of thousands , and ten thousands who have perished under your ministry , whom you have caused to err , and led them out of the way , and the blinde hypocrites have led the blinde , till ye both fall into the ditch of perdition ; it was your generation of the same seed that put the apostles to death , and now you make merchandise of their words , and exceeds in hypocrisie and double-heartedness , and have turned every way according to the changing of the power of the beast ; some of you were teachers for the king and bishops , and were ordained by their law , and your prayers have been to your idol god , for all sorts from whom you could receive a reward , or be advantaged : and you are now divided in many sects , and judgements , and false opinions , and have divided the people into divers ways of idol-worship , throwing down one part of the image , and setting up , and exalting another , and your offerings , and oblations , and prayer , and praises , hath been a burthen and weariness to my soul , saith the lord , and you now are at war in your minds one with another , divers in your language ( though but one original ) which is the womb of witchcraft , and your kingdom is darkness , and a heap of confusion ; under the dominion of death reigning , but you are at concord in war against me , and against my servant whom i have chosen from among you , to bear witness against you , & you are the most of all guilty of that great persecution and unjust suffering and imprisonment through tyranny laid upon them , for you stir up , and intercede the power of the beast thereunto , upon which you sit , till you both be cast into the lake , you are risen in all your power to manage war against my kingdom , which is appearing to make yours a desolation for ever ; the beast is risen in defence of you already , and you pray to your dead gods , and preaches to your ignorant people , against my heritage , deceiving thousands . whose blood will be of you required , who are ever learning of you , but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth by you , being kept in infidelity and blindness under you , whose blood you are absolutely guilty of , your rebellion is the crime of witchcraft , who cannot cease to do evil , for you have bound your selves in the covenant with hell , and are at agreement with death while you are upon earth , and would bind the people with you in the same faith ( or rather unbelief ) that none can be perfectly saved from sin while they live upon earth ; but you are the filthy dreamers , which doth defile the flesh , and when you awake , you will be found empty of all righteousness , your cup is full of fornication , and of the wine of whoredomes and idolatry , my patience will be turned into fury against you , and my cup of indignation is the assured portion of your lot , and blood shall you have to drink as your gift and reward from me , and your present pleasure shall be turned into howling everlasting , and your songs shall be changed into wo worth the day , my plagues shall remain with you upon earth , and follow you to the lake , and your staff and strength in which you trust , even the power of the beast shall be broken with you , and be buried in the grave of everlasting contempt to arise in reproach unto my heritage for ever , and my fire of indignation is already kindling upon you , which will burn for evermore , and not be quenched . to all you called papists , to your whole body and head at rome , the word of the lord reacheth . thus , assuredly , saith the lord , my controversie is against you , and my vengeance , and wrath , and fury shall for ever world without end be upon you , though you pardon one another , yet will not i pardon any one of you , for your grievous adulteries and abominations hath surpassed all other generations , in the womb of whoredoms your children are conceived , begotten by the seed of adulteries in the very strength of the man of sin , and at the breasts of murther and cruelty , you are nourished , in sucking hainous and cruel tyrannie , you are seated upon the highest mountain of oppression and idolatry : peter was not your predecessor , but the divel himself you succeed , in blood , and envie , and cruelty , and he is your rock , with whom you shall fall in everlasting perdition ; being upon him builded , in your whole body , and he is the father of your faith , received from him by succession , t●aditionally , and your religion is of cain's antiquity , who was the ancient in your profession of offering sacrifice , and killing the just , your sword hath been made fat in the blood of the innocent you have sought to slay , even the very likeness of righteousness , and hath stood armed with cruelty against the upright , waiting for the blood of the guiltless to asswage your thirst , and your seat at rome which once had the faith of jesus christ in purity , where members of his body inhabited , you have turned into the habitation of divels , and it is become the open mother of profess whoredoms , which brings forth cursed children of witch cra●t , and is the abiding place of members of an abominable harlot , and the profession of jesus have you turned into a cruelty against jesus , and into the murther of him ; some of you are made a curse already , and with vengeance and indignation shall the rest be pursued , till your body be rooted from off the earth , you have been strong in your seat of darkness upon your seven mountains of perfect abomination , and none was able to encounter you in your strength of infidelity , but it shall be turned into weakness , and your whoredoms shall appear , and your present honour shall be turned into contempt everlasting , for while you say , you have wrought to merit life eternal , your unbelief will bring death everlasting , and your works merits my fire of eternal judgement and condemnation , and while you have said you eat and drink the flesh and blood really , you have crucified his life totally , and your consecrating of things unto you● idol god , hath been your defilement and pollution in the sight of the true god , to images and pictures have you bowed , and have worshipped the saints days and names , and bowed to their likeness of mans inventions , but have slain their life , and trodden under foot their nature and glory and buried their righteousness and knowledge in the grave of your wickedness and ignorance , and in imaginations have you rested , and in vain superstitions have you hoped , honouring the name of christ , and killing his life , the womb of darkness are you shut up in upon earth , and it will be your bed for ever in hell and death , and your purgatory will deceive you , and your clensing will never come ; defiled , defiled , and loathsom are you in the pure eye of light , which the secret of your deceit searcheth , and your darkness feeleth , and shall judge you for ever . rome , italy , france , and spain and your dominions to all your kings , princes , bishops , priests , je●●its , prel●tes , and fr●●rs , and nuns , and whole train of idolaters ; the cup of my vengeance is towards you , and the dregs thereof shall you drink and my overflowing whirlwind of wrath as an irresistable flood is against your banks , and thy fire of eternal fury shall b● through your stubble , and my everlasting light shall make search and inquisition for the blood of my elect , which is found in thy skirts . thou abominable harlot of lothsome adultry . tremble , tremble , tremble at my dreadful living presence , ye worshippers of dead images , the day of repentance is well nigh past , your long idolatry , will my long patience turn into everlasting misery and judgement , and nations shall see your shame , and in the sight of your lovers shall you be tormented . and this from authority by my spirit of glory is sent you a warning , and is the voice of a trumpet , which gives a certain sound against the mighty dreadful day of the lord , which upon you is coming , to make you an desolation for ever and ever , and the eternal decree is sealing against you , never to be altered . to all you called protestants of the eldest sort . thus saith the lord , my controversie is against you , and my hand will be upon you , you have a strong taste of the bottle , wherein the wine of fornication is , and your scent is leavened with the first vessel of abomination , you are seated in darkness , pitched upon six of the first mountains under another branch of the first tree ( ignorance ) and are children of the first womb , begotten in another appearance of the whores beauty , and are more comly in stature then your eldest brethren , and little is your difference to be discerned from the first beast in your appearance , and nothing at all in the ground ; you say you believe for eternal life , but your unbelief will bring upon you everlasting death : your talking of christ , and his righteousness imputed ( which you profess ) will not cover your infidelity and filthiness , for you are in the enmity against his life , the working ( of the first ) for life , and your believing for life , springs both out of one ground ; and while you say you eat and drink the body and blood of christ in the figure , you kill and crucifie him in the substance , and art partakers of thy sisters sins , in whoredom and idolatry , and must partake of her plagues . wo , wo will be your inheritance in the pit of earth for ever , instead of a heavenly glory ( which you dream of ) above the sky , i have armed my armies to do my work herein , which hath in part , and will fulfil it , to break you to pieces , the intents of your hearts hath been known , to be always against my people , neither could you bear any appearance of me , but blasphemes my name and truth in every discovery ; you have loved darkness upon earth ; and in its chains shall you be bound in the lake for evermore . to all you that are called presbyterians and independents . the lords controversie is against you , for you are a higher branch of the first tree , deeper rooted in the cursed ground of fleshly and sensual wisdom , and the womb of your conception is the first whores daughter , more comly decked , and your cistern holes the wine of fornication , at which you drink in a measure her abomination , and where you say , you beleeves for justification , and applies the promises for salvation , your works of wickedness and hypocrisie will bring damnation , and gains the promise of condemnation , who are in pride , and high-mindedness , and double-heartedness , which is the condition of that promise , and you are found wanting every whit , the conditions of the promise of eternal life , you have reformed the outward man into obedience unto another likeness of the truth without the life , and are as vise in the inward in hypocrisie , and self exalting , and hath covered y●●r selves with the saints words , and said up more in store , of the report of their riches , then your fore-fathers , and now you are become worshippers of the form and words of the saints , and are grown in the knowledge , more then some of your father's children , but in extolling the saints words , you limit their spirit , and keeps in death their life , which was not of the world , neither in appearance nor ground ; and while you say you eat and drink the flesh and blood of christ , in secret and separate , you put him to death openly , and among the multitudes , your hearts are ful of bitterness against my remnant , whom i have called , and aloud you cry heresie , and error , and blasphemes my name , and loaths the honey-comb , in your full stomacks , you worship the same god , as your fore-fathers did , only in another appearance , more refined through stronger wisdom , and appears in the reformed old man , thinking him to be the new man , and deceives your souls hereby , and are zealous in your blindness , in your will-worships , and fained humility , which is without the knowledge of god , and you depend upon your imaginations , thinking to have life in the scripture , as they did which put christ to death , and will not come to christ that you may have life , you are in the knowledge gathered from without you , which is natural , and in it you are corrupted , and some of you are brutish in your knowledge , and are thereby puft up into pride and vain-glory ; your separation from the world is sensual and self separation , and differs but a little in your appearance and nothing in the ground , for the cursed ground stands within untilled and unbroken , and you worship god ignorantly at a distance , and feeds upon the report of a thing done many hundred of yeers ago , and your faith doth not give you victory over the world , for 't is set in your hearts , and the vanities of it without is followed , pride , and oppression , and fulness : some of you are hot and furious in your blind zeal , and cannot endure sound doctrine , your fruits will wither , and all your knowledge will perish , and all your hopes and expectations will fail , and all your praise● and prayers , and all your good works brought forth in your own wills , in that nature in which the enmity lodges , is a lame and a blind sacrifice , and of cains nature : which god accepteth not ; you are in the liberty of the flesh , and the daylie cross of christ you do not know , but lives daylie to the world , and dies not in it , and your knowledge of christ is without you ; by what such a prophet , and such an apostle spoke of him ; and the witness of the operation of his spirit and power you have not in you , nor his sufferings you do not know in your life , but by your life makes him to suffer in his life ; the horrible filthy thing is commited amongst you ; and your teachers are perfect in the false prophets steps , and some of you are as brute beasts in their knowledge , gathered in by vain study and humane learning , through philosophy and vain deceit , and hath large quarters from which they seel ; their gain , and through covetousness , with feigned words makes merchandise of souls , and are compleat in b●la●m● way of idolatry , following his error , loving the wages of unrighteousness , teaching for filthy lucre , devouring souls for dishonest gain , by trading with the scriptures , and selling their imaginations upon them for money , gaining many thousand of pounds a yeer thereby , having stolen the saints words into their unclean hearts , uttered forth by them for advantage to themselves , when the lord hath not sent them , nor spoken unto them , nor ordained them for his service , but their call and ordination hath been by man , and their work and testimony of themselves , and hath not profited you at all , and yet you have loved to have it so , but what will you do in the end thereof ? even you ▪ that hath been helped , and they that have holpen shall both fall together in the day of the lords recompense , which will fall grievously upon you ; and none shall be able for to deliver you , but miserable comforters , and physitians of no●value shall all be unto you , and your long applyed promises shall suddenly fly away : no peace from god is to the wicked ; neither do i sow pillows under your elbows , but to the light in your consciences i speak , which christ hath lightened every one of you withal ; which shines in darkness , and you cannot it comprehend , nor in it believe , but it it stumbles , and by it shall be broken ; which if it you loved , it would teach you in the spirit the living god to worship , and would condemn all your set form of worship in the imaginations , the light is given you from christ jesus , unto life eternal , or unto condemnation everlasting ; when the hand of the lord in judgement is upon you , remember you had warning ; and when you are in the lake , and in the pit , remember you had a day of visitation upon earth ; the light in all your consciences shall witness gods judgements to be just , and your mouths shall be stopped . to all you that are called anabaptists . vvith you also is the controversie of the lord , for you are children of the same seed , more purged in the fire of blind zeal , and begotten in the transforming of the serpent , into more secret hypocrisie , and deeper subtilty , your covering being larger , the greater deceit and abomination lodges under , death reigns among you , and your kingdom is scituate in the mountains of exaltation , and you feed abundantly in the vallies of pride and vain-glory , and are nourished with the bread of prosperity , you are grown high and great in your number , and have joyned your selves for advantage , and glories in your strength , having through policy and craft , and bowing to the beastly power , highly exalted your own horn , and and by flattery have gained much of your dominion , which you hold in possession by the law of guil , many simple ones hath by your curious colour , and bed of fair pretenses been deceived to commit adultery with your image brought forth in the likeness of the saints god : by imagination from the saints words you worship the practise and exercise of the saints , with the same mind that the papists do worship their names and days ; you allow not idols without , nor a vain conversation in the world , but you are strict in observation in your outward conformity , in your self-righteousness , which is your greatest sin ; you are clothed with the saints words and practises , which you have climed up in your own wills to obtain , not having entred in by the door , and while you say you eat and drink the flesh and blood of christ in the saints manner , shewing forth his death till he come to salvation , you kill him as the heathens do , till he appear unto condemnation , and you shew forth daylie that you crucifie him in the world , eating and drinking to your selves condemnation ; you say christ died only for you as elect , but your works makes manifest , that he dies by you as reprobate ; you take up a command from the letter , and imitates the apostles ( some of you in a lower , and some of you in a higher degree ) in that mind and nature which in the apostles was crucified ; and you say christ commands it , when the letter doth but declare it . and you are not led with the same light , which gave forth the commands declared to observe them , but saith in such a verse of such a chapter such a command is , not having received the command by the same spitit . here you are proved to be them which use your tongue , and saith , he saith it , when god hath not spoken unto you , but as you read it without you , as the false prophets might do the words of the true prophets ; and thus you are in the witchcraft as they were , gal. 3. who takes on things in your own wills , and observe commands without from the letter , thereby drawing from the teachings of god within by the spirit , you are zealous as they were for the traditions and figures , and cannot see him , which is the end of all that which perisheth with the using , so you are not dead with christ from the world , who are yet subject to ordinances which is of the world ; they that obeyed christ and followed him , was led by the spirit , and not by the letter ; for they were not ministers of the letter , but of the spirit ; and such were judged to be in errour ; and this is your condition , who saith such are breakers of christ's commands and makers vold of the scripture , and destroyers of the ordinances , who witnesseth christ the substance , and him to be king , and judge , and law-giver , and in whom , and upon whom the scripture is fulfilled , and so it established , and the commands of christ kept , which are in spirit , and his law daylie walked in , which condemneth sin . and this is not contrary to the scripture , but a fulfilling of it in principles , in doctrines , and in practise and conversation : the apostles was sent to preach the gospel to every creature , and they were all led by the same spirit , and did not go before it in their own wills ▪ as you do , neither did one go from the command which had been given to another , using anothers words , and exercising themselves in anothers practises , when the lord had not commanded ; but such they bare witness against which did use their tongue and transform themselves into the likeness of true prophets , and apostles , as you have done , and are in the love of the world , and only separated in the appearance , and not in the ground : you stumble at the light , and therefore knows not the door of entrance , nor where the commands of christ is to be received , and the will of god to you is to be known ; and so your obedience is the conformity in your own wills , to that which was the will of god to another : this sacrifice is also lame and blind , and god saith to you , who hath required this at your hand ? for 〈◊〉 you have observed and done all those things which the declaration of the law and gospel doth require , you are unprofitable servants ; and yet one thing do you lack , the dying with christ , and the sufferings and cross of christ is not known , but in the liberty of the flesh you are , and not in the condition of the promise to life eternal . friends , you have run into the form of godliness without the power ; into a church which is not in god , but of the world ; into a baptism which doth not wash away sin ; for you live in sin , and pleads for it , while you live upon earth ; into a communion which is not with god , which no unclean can enter into : for the proud and covetous partakes with you , and while some of you have said that they that preached for hire , have been antichristian , you your selves are fallen into the same abomination , taking gifts and rewards , and large sums of money , and upholding such who doth it ; here you are unjust to your own principle , and are for condemnation with the light in your conscience . let shame cover your heads , ye hypocrites ; your covering will not hide you , nor your high talking of christ without you , so long professed by you , will not justifie you , while you are found disobeying this light in your consciences ; which light is one with god , with christ , and with the spirit in its measure , and it doth convince you of sin , and is a command to you , and would lead you ( if you walked in it ) from all iniquity , which is the will of god to you ; and to that mind which is carnal , which ruleth in you , the commands of christ which are spiritual , is nor given , nor can be received ; bye saith . lo here , and lo there christ is to be found 〈…〉 the light you are comprehended , which if the least measure of it you did own , it would lead you to the baptism inward of the heart , and to the church which is in god , whereof christ is head in every 〈…〉 and into the communion with god ▪ and to follow the lamb of god wheresoever he goeth , and out of your imitations , and likenesses , and strife , and contention about the words given forth from the spirit , who are in your own unity , in division , and several meanings , and divers constructions , and judgements , and several ways of obedience , and worships , and belief , which by your imaginations you draw from the scripture , which is the declaration but of one god , and one truth , of one obedience , and of one faith , and thus you exalt the great image of many mixtures : your selves being a chief member of his body : you say the scripture is your rule , but are divided into opinions and conceits , contrary to the scripture , every one worshipping that which you imagine from the scripture , not being in the unity of the spirit , which gave forth the scripture , which is one , and not divided in obedience , worship , or faith ; and while you say the scripture is your rule , your lives are squared by the spirit of the divel , and hewen out into pride and hypocrisie , and love of the world : and to you who are called freewillers , who say christ died for all . herein you affirm , that whereof you are ignorant , which may be true in christ : but a lye unto you ; for you are not dead with christ from the rudiments of the world , but are alive against him in the world ; they for whom he died , are dead ; and they who yet lives , puts him to death . freewill unto the ways and fashions and vanities of the world stands in you , and you know not the daylie cross of christ , which is unto man's will ; nor what it is to follow christ , and obey him , which is contrary to man's will , you say , he that is condemned 't is because he will not believe : this is true in christ , but not in your carnal apprehensions of the natural man , in whom there is no power to believe . he that hath an ear , let him hear . there is some true desires among you , but your minds are not truly informed , to the fulfilling of your desires , and your minds are outward , and applies peace to that which is for condemnation . your reason and wisdom is corrupted , and cannot receive truth , but calls it error , and this is your sin : death over you hath passed , and reigns over you , as over all men , and your knowledge is in time , and you cannot hear of things which was before the world was ; your wisdom is sensual , and your comprehension is strong , and the little simplicity in you is betray'd by the subtlety which hath dominion in your governour ; your crown must be laid down , and fools must you become , before you be truly wise , or can be crown'd with the lamb , and among the rest ; remember you had warning , and a day of visitation before you were destroyed ; and this shall be by you witnessed in the day of the lord . to all you who say you wait , and believe for the coming of christ to reigne in person upon earth . hear you the lords controversie which he hath against you . the way of his coming is not prepared , but rocks and mountains are standing , and vallies are not filled up , and rough and crooked is your present way , your hopes and expectations in that ground wherein they spring will wither and fade away as the grass , for your hope of his coming hath no whit purified you , as he is pure ; for you are in the flesh , and in the liberty of it , which is rebellion to his reigne , and christ is kept in prison , in exile with that mind , and the divel is yet at liberty working in your earthly members , and leads you captive into his covenant in his government , in seeking your selves , and to strengthen your selves in the kingdom of the world , and murmures that any should be above you , and that is he , which put christ to death , and will not have him to reigne in his power over the earth ; and to you , what purpose is it for to desire the day of his coming ? for with wrath will he come , and with vengeance will he reigne , and will break your kingdom like a potters vessel , and suddenly will he come , but your expectations will be prevented , for his reigne and kingdom is not of this world . your high nature stands , and satan is not bound , not one of the days of the thousand yeers of his limit is not yet come ; your minds are outward in your own thoughts , which are vain , and you know not of what spirit you are ; the sufferings of christ must you know , before you can see him reigne , and thorow his war must you strive , before you can obtain his victory , and him must you own , in his convincing you of sin , before you can witness his reigne in glory upon earth over sin . to all you that are called ranters . the controversie of the lord god is against you , your seat is in the mysterie of iniquity , and satan transformed into an angel of light is your god and king , and the kingdom of the second beast is your dominion ; your deadly wound is falsly healed , and sathan thereby hath enlarged his government ; you continued not to the end , but the prince of darkness is more strongly entred , and your latter end is worse then your beginning , and your last end will be the worst of all ; while you have scorned self-righteousness , your selves have been impudently poluted with the spiritual wine of whoredom ; and though you have cryed against and abhorred the form of religion , your selves hath been in the highest power of iniquity , sold to do wickedly , and given up to commit sin with greediness , glorying in your shame , and are become vain in your imaginations , your foolish hearts being darkned , because when ye knew god , you glorified him not as god ; the womb of your corruption is the well-favoured harlot , begotten by the false prophet ; plead with your mother , for she is an adulteress , and hath abundantly gone after other lovers , loving their bed of adultery where ever she saw it ; naked shall she be stripped , and set as in the day that she was born , and no mercy shall be to you , her children : you had a convincement under the law , and was brought under condemnation some of you , but as the viperous generation , you have fled the wrath , and now are become enemies to the cross of christ , and turns the grace of god into wantonness ( which largely to you appeared ) which would wholly have sanctified you , if in it you had walked ; but having slain the witness of god , you now are in the cursed peace , following drunkenness , and cursed speaking and swearing , and beastly lusts , and beggarly vanities , sporting your selves as in the day time , and you are the crucifiers of christ afresh , and putters of him to open shame in the sight of the heathen ; and while you speak swelling words of vanity , your selves are the servants of corruption , and of sin in the highest degree , and free from righteousness in the least measure , doing despite unto the spirit of grace , and being bound in the chains of darkness , and your professed freedom is divellish , stolen by you , and is not the freedom of the son of god , purchased through death ; you never came through the law , but by your oaths , and drunkenness , and prof●ness , have cast it behind your backs ; you that are in wantonness kills the just , and you that are in pleasures are dead while you live ▪ and you that live in fleshly ●●sts , are in the war against your own souls ; jezabel is your prophetess , and the dog that is turned to the vomit again , is your example , and seven unclean spirits worse then the first , is entred upon you , that 's your parable , and your house is become the den of robbers , which was once the house of prayer ; the hand of the lord is against you , and his breath will kindle the torment of t●phet upon you , and everlastingly shall it burn upon you , and shall not be quenched , and your professed love shall be turned into my wrath and fury , and sin shall you find in its vengeance , though you have seen none in the action : and my witness which you have slain , to gain peace shall arise to your everlasting trouble , faith the lord , and your m●th shall be turned into everlating sorrow , and your communion in unrighteousness shall become your unity in the just indignation of wrath ; and your liberty enjoyed in the world , shall be turned into your bondage , in the lake of fire , and your wisdom and knowledge shall rot in the pit , and your righteousness and uprightness which once was in you , shall never be mentioned to you , for your own iniquities shall you bear in the day of the lord ; with the eternal light you are comprehended ; your beginning which was in judgement , and your time which is in false peace , and false liberty , and love , and fleshly joy , and your end , which will he everlastingly miserable , and though you speak of the light , and what it once wrought , yet being from it turned into darkness , bringing forth fruits of darkness and unrighteousness , the light is your eternal condemnation ; and because you are the highest stone in the building of mysterie iniquity , the greater will be your 〈◊〉 int● the ditch of deeper perdition : you have been the greatest dishonourers of the true god , and in the way of the upright are you a stumbling ●nto this day : your state is read , and your portion is fo●●told , and this proph●●●e shall not fail , but upon your ●e●ds shall be fulfilled . 〈…〉 you that are called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and waite●● the lord 〈…〉 ●●ny ●…ou , and 〈…〉 troversi 〈…〉 with 〈…〉 ●…st in 〈◊〉 image of ma 〈◊〉 y 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 pitched in the plains of f 〈◊〉 goodly biulding stands upon ●…d and beautified by the scattered st 〈◊〉 ●…nes of the former cities of confu 〈◊〉 and a c●●m sp●●t , 〈…〉 to vessel , and ●…r , neither is your ●…ct 〈…〉 of ini●uity , as by appearing 〈…〉 ser●●nt , you s●●k 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ●…e ●…t no● at th●gates of 〈…〉 y 〈◊〉 before ●●fe ●…a● you 〈◊〉 f 〈◊〉 you ●…he 〈…〉 at the fo●●dation , ●nd 〈◊〉 ●…d , and light 〈◊〉 ●ver●●n t 〈◊〉 meth ●…rld ; you cannot believe , ●u are ●ery 〈…〉 wo●ds and knowledge , and ●…ks 〈…〉 that w 〈◊〉 ●…ugh de●●h you never obtained 〈…〉 know ●…gh ●ut it ariseth out of the c 〈◊〉 , 〈◊〉 ed in you , forms outw 〈◊〉 deny , 〈◊〉 〈…〉 〈◊〉 inward , and your chiefe●● 〈…〉 in your 〈◊〉 , and while you say you eat ●nd 〈◊〉 the 〈…〉 blood of christ ▪ 〈…〉 subst●●ce y 〈◊〉 st measure , and your wills prop●fies a 〈…〉 ●hich will be turned into true trouble ; and ●hen 〈…〉 , the mans head is covered , and the womans head is uncovered , and this is a shame , that the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 not power on her head● your seeking and waitin● of your 〈◊〉 and in your own tim● 〈◊〉 the l 〈◊〉 all , and in all among 〈◊〉 ●or y●●r mother is not the 〈…〉 ●arried 〈…〉 a 〈◊〉 , and your seed 〈…〉 ●●●●ng ●…dren . a prop●●t 〈◊〉 your 〈…〉 who●● brought you forth , and your pro 〈◊〉 wither as time 〈◊〉 ●…nd your ●●v●●ing 〈…〉 〈…〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 regarded then 〈…〉 ; for 〈…〉 〈◊〉 , as of sin ; 〈◊〉 ●…our ●…nd depth is 〈…〉 warning , for a ●…tion 〈…〉 put away your other lovers . 〈…〉 t●e , world 〈…〉 ●…ey whose ●…en in the lambs 〈…〉 he●●s , ●…s . and 〈…〉 image 〈…〉 earth worshipped by 〈◊〉 d pe 〈◊〉 many mixtures , and it 〈…〉 the 〈…〉 , which strikes at the ●o●●ome ; 〈…〉 sev 〈◊〉 , and divers appearances out 〈◊〉 ●nd diff 〈◊〉 ●…dgements and opinions , will stand 〈…〉 dr●●●ful day of the lord which u 〈◊〉 , 〈…〉 glory , wo , wo 〈…〉 ●ll ●…ession , when christ comes in 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 way , ●…trary to ●ll your divided expectations , and groun 〈◊〉 hopes ; he was before the world ●as ; and sha●●●nd doth reigne for ever , when it is 〈◊〉 ; ●●d in this ●…ay will the lord god setup 〈◊〉 everlasting kin 〈◊〉 of whose 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 d●minion 〈…〉 shall be no end , b●t 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈…〉 , ●…ded kingdom of the ●ea●●ly 〈◊〉 and 〈…〉 ●e da 〈◊〉 to pieces , never 〈◊〉 to be ●…d your mountains shall be burned , 〈◊〉 your 〈◊〉 and your 〈…〉 the pit of everlasting wr 〈◊〉 t 〈◊〉 al j 〈◊〉 , from him th 〈◊〉 upon ●…f infini 〈◊〉 an● glory , 〈…〉 〈…〉 i● a day , and y 〈◊〉 h 〈◊〉 〈…〉 at ●oonday , and all your 〈…〉 thrown down , and shall bec 〈◊〉 of dragons : i have viewed you all 〈…〉 you are weighed in the balance of 〈…〉 stumbles at 〈…〉 and christ i 〈◊〉 light , by whi 〈◊〉 e 〈◊〉 ●omes i●to ti●e world , o● 〈◊〉 and therefore shu● up ●…a 〈◊〉 gro●●g as ●lind me 〈◊〉 pl 〈◊〉 i●●he ●arren ●…ed ●…o 〈◊〉 gh you are divided 〈◊〉 nd 〈…〉 selves in on●●●●y , 〈…〉 a 〈◊〉 the 〈…〉 ●●s followers , who c 〈◊〉 ●ow to you●●…age , and you are li●●ed in t 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of gog 〈◊〉 , 〈…〉 whom the lamb is 〈…〉 his ●…ome ●●rth , having the bowe 〈◊〉 d , 〈…〉 to conquer , and will 〈◊〉 ●…r e 〈◊〉 ; all your sacrifice is corru 〈◊〉 the lo●d g●d of heaven and earth is wear 〈◊〉 i th 〈◊〉 o 〈◊〉 offerings , your 〈◊〉 are f 〈◊〉 m ●…are full of blood , a●● the jus 〈◊〉 〈…〉 of your streets , and the earth cov 〈◊〉 e bl 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 inno●ent , and the slain cries , how long lord , how long 〈◊〉 but he hath heard in an acceptable time , 〈◊〉 will come forth in his might , and will slay , and 〈…〉 shall 〈◊〉 spare , ●●d will wound , 〈◊〉 his eye 〈◊〉 not pi●y . awake , awake , ●…less and s●othful , that hath laid at 〈…〉 the dar 〈◊〉 f slumber , and come out , com● 〈…〉 upright●●●…arted , and separate ●our sel 〈◊〉 no un 〈◊〉 thing , nor no longer ●artake of 〈…〉 latries and 〈◊〉 the lord is no●●…ng ●ogather his ow 〈◊〉 of the despis 〈◊〉 is an 〈◊〉 forth to ●…he ear●h , to ●…ng in ●…nd th●●…in bundles , for the f 〈◊〉 ll be thro●● down , and the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ewarded , whic● sits upon the natio●● , ●…nd ●eople , and the dregs of the cup of ●…ng out unto her , ●…d the k 〈◊〉 si● shall utterly 〈…〉 be ●tterly driven 〈…〉 and all your s 〈◊〉 a 〈◊〉 d forms , and wo 〈◊〉 me he 〈◊〉 c 〈◊〉 sion for ever . and 〈◊〉 thou● you , so long and ●…ely 〈◊〉 nor justifie you ●…nemies and ●…t in ●…world , which is ●…ch you all ●…ble , and by wh 〈◊〉 ll be ●●oken , ●…ch sha●● grinde you to powder 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 your eternal ●…on , in this worl● , and 〈◊〉 wh 〈◊〉 nes ●n your darkness 〈◊〉 c 〈◊〉 ev 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ou of your sin : w 〈◊〉 , ●…way to peace with god eternal , 〈◊〉 will le 〈◊〉 o one truth , to be of one hea 〈◊〉 one 〈◊〉 , and to serve one god with one 〈◊〉 wi 〈◊〉 l the ●e●rt , and your neig 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 i● sa 〈◊〉 of the living god only acce [ t●● . and ●o you all sor●s of people , my conscience do i 〈◊〉 r , to the light in all your consc 〈◊〉 which i● but one ) without respect to your persons , whether you ●●ar or forbear : and this to you all is a w●rning , and ●…mpet founded out of sion your many 〈◊〉 and idols to forsake , ●●d yo 〈◊〉 with 〈◊〉 ●●wer to turn away from , and all 〈◊〉 ven ima●…our hearts to cast away : 〈◊〉 is is the 〈◊〉 the lord ●…you all , which upon 〈◊〉 all shall ●…fulfilled , and by y●● wi 〈◊〉 , ●…en the book of your cons 〈◊〉 ne ●…nal i●●gement rewarded 〈◊〉 jud 〈◊〉 pon 〈◊〉 ne of tr●e 〈◊〉 t , in 〈◊〉 ple ri 〈◊〉 y. to ●ll 〈◊〉 light of eternal life , whi 〈◊〉 ld , who 〈◊〉 born from ●…th live for e 〈◊〉 the ma●● opi 〈◊〉 , soul , and spirit , worship 〈◊〉 with whom there is n● c 〈◊〉 turning , who are 〈◊〉 it scornfull● calle●●…lso remember 〈◊〉 ever ●…e lov●●f 〈◊〉 b 〈◊〉 ng and ●…e , and whose 〈◊〉 th ●…measure ●…not be found 〈◊〉 ; ●…th ●…ll the families of t 〈◊〉 ong , and to establish ●…ng ●…ant 〈◊〉 , of righteousness and ●…r ever 〈◊〉 redemption and salvation ●…ou is ●…t and mercy in 〈◊〉 is 〈◊〉 ri 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 eace in you hath em●raced each other ▪ ●n 〈◊〉 of ●…rnal love undefiled , was yo●● conception begotten by the word of immortal life , 〈◊〉 the inheritance incorrupti●le , whereof you 〈◊〉 heirs of th●● faithful promise , 〈◊〉 free by the son , through the 〈◊〉 of the ●…upon his cross , whereby 〈…〉 rished ●…o immortality , to 〈◊〉 o●er 〈…〉 death , and the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ●…ore : wi●● 〈…〉 of e●●rnal lov● 〈◊〉 〈…〉 in the ●…ok 〈…〉 ●…al 〈◊〉 rit , 〈◊〉 of t 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈…〉 mot 〈◊〉 is 〈◊〉 virg●● 〈…〉 〈◊〉 jerusalem , come d 〈◊〉 〈…〉 , and full of pleasur●●● you 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is no need of a c 〈◊〉 ●…ht thereof , 〈…〉 ●mage , nor 〈◊〉 ●…eat ●●●age you 〈…〉 ●…ver you , 〈…〉 ●●ur covenans , and the i a 〈◊〉 ●…ur god , and ●e 〈◊〉 s●r● de 〈…〉 〈◊〉 〈…〉 walls a●d 〈…〉 ●v●rlasting 〈…〉 re●p , and ●…g shall 〈…〉 everlas 〈◊〉 and your pre 〈◊〉 your waters sha 〈◊〉 ●…ver fail , your fu 〈◊〉 ll 〈◊〉 , 〈…〉 ●●●ll be enlarg●d never 〈…〉 th 〈◊〉 but your little seed shall ●…on 〈◊〉 the 〈◊〉 earth shall●e re 〈◊〉 〈…〉 , 〈◊〉 ●our 〈◊〉 ed gover●●ent 〈◊〉 o 〈◊〉 ●…ingdoms , and ●●ur laws shall all ●…e 〈…〉 the earth become su●●ect un 〈◊〉 ye are 〈◊〉 part of 〈◊〉 ●…age of idolatry , but ●●ur be 〈◊〉 g is th 〈◊〉 ●…one cut out without a hand 〈…〉 the ear●h , and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 moun 〈…〉 ●…pon 〈◊〉 fowls of heaven 〈◊〉 be re 〈…〉 ●…ing 〈◊〉 ●●esh of 〈◊〉 and ●●ptains : ●ou 〈…〉 fait 〈◊〉 ●…s , and the glory of ●●e 〈…〉 ●…rts 〈…〉 not 〈…〉 〈◊〉 a 〈◊〉 : sa 〈…〉 〈…〉 you 〈…〉 terly dis 〈◊〉 r 〈…〉 and your 〈…〉 〈◊〉 es 〈◊〉 and ren●wn : your 〈◊〉 ●…s government and domi 〈◊〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 most parts 〈…〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ; 〈…〉 his l 〈◊〉 s eq 〈◊〉 〈…〉 ●…stice ●●d judgement● 〈◊〉 hosts , 〈◊〉 r g 〈◊〉 en fou●d 〈◊〉 〈…〉 death f●● his n 〈◊〉 , 〈…〉 ha 〈◊〉 ●…d 〈◊〉 ●…own y 〈◊〉 , ●…u might 〈◊〉 therefore you 〈…〉 〈…〉 ●…ish your kingdom 〈…〉 ●p in ju 〈◊〉 ●…nd ●ondem●●d , 〈◊〉 〈…〉 all your adve 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 o 〈◊〉 ●…our everlasti 〈◊〉 〈…〉 ●…nd judgment 〈◊〉 ea 〈◊〉 y 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in e●●ity , ●nd 〈◊〉 born the 〈◊〉 storm with 〈◊〉 and have end●red 〈◊〉 joy 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 en of ●…pressor ; you have 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to the ●…me , 〈◊〉 ●ave ●een fo●nd innoce●● and without guil , before 〈…〉 of 〈…〉 your light 〈…〉 and ●…fe ●…lory is 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 ●…ed ●…ur is purchas 〈◊〉 〈…〉 lon is n● wh 〈◊〉 〈…〉 ●…d 〈◊〉 compared 〈◊〉 〈…〉 sh●ll i 〈…〉 〈◊〉 of 〈…〉 〈…〉 the w 〈◊〉 forth children 〈…〉 co●ly 〈…〉 u 〈◊〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 and 〈…〉 the 〈◊〉 ●…d 〈◊〉 hono 〈◊〉 ●…ast in the 〈…〉 ●…ravity shall be 〈…〉 ●he l 〈◊〉 〈…〉 cr 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 inf 〈◊〉 〈…〉 thee● b 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 un 〈◊〉 〈…〉 w 〈◊〉 ●…ou 〈…〉 ●…d signed 〈…〉 spi 〈◊〉 〈…〉 before t 〈◊〉 all 〈…〉 ●…ssed , and of your 〈…〉 sh 〈◊〉 par 〈◊〉 is like un●● y 〈◊〉 〈…〉 saved by the lord , elect , and chosen , and redeemed out of ●inreds , tongues , and people , and hath a name better then of sons and daughters . i raise ye the lord , and glorifie him for evermore , young men and maidens , old men and children , and all that breath , praise you the lord ; for hereunto are you called , and for this cause are you brought forth ▪ clap yo●r hands and sing for joy of heart , your redeemer is the holy one , and your maker is your husband ; i know you , and to you am i known , and i read you within the vail , and doth behold you , the train of the most high filling his temple ▪ follow him for ever , and 〈◊〉 his name be ●…sted of throughout the earth : make war in righteousness , and prepare your selves to do his service , let not your hands be slack , neither be you slothf●l in our lords design , but wound the head of your enemies , and manage war against gog and ma●og , throughout all ginerations , ride on and prosper ; and tread down the ●enced cities , and enlarge your dominion , and let the children of strangers , of the seed of esa● , be you● slaves and bondmen , an●●●ll the earth with your precious seed , and sow it in the morning , and in the evening with-hold not your hand , though you are despised of men , yet the lord hath made you truly honourable ▪ in his glory you appear ▪ and his righteousness is your clothing , which will never wither , and though some of you for a moment suffer bonds for his names sake , yet you are free ever lasting , and are not ashamed of your testimony before the princes and nobles of the earth . o sion t 〈◊〉 art desirable , because of thy beauty , and thy dwelling place is scituate in a very fruitful hill , and thou feedest in the vallies of fat pastures of eternal pleasures , where nothing that defiles can enter , nor no devourer treadeth on thy mountain , nor no lyons whelp treads in thy path ; it is the way of the ransomed of the lord , who hath blotted out thy transgressions never more to remember thy sins , thou seed of jacob . the lord is your god for ever , while you be his people , therefore walk before him in righteousness , and let his own works praise him , and give him of his own , and glorifie him with it eternally . be low in thy heart , and be not exalted because of thy beauty and riches , and glory not but only in the lord : be diligent in thy mind , and watch against all thy enemies , and be not of a careless heart ; eat not of the vine of sodom , nor drink not of the cup of whoredoms ; give not thy strength to strange women , nor let not thy desirable beauty be over come of harlots , but keep thy self undefiled , and mingle not thy seed with strangers : but be fruitful in thy pleasant land upon thy beautiful mountain , and bring forth abundantly unto thy god , who hath turned thy wilderness into a fruitful field and taken away thy reproach of barrenness , in conversation upright and blameless do thou daylie appear ▪ in praises , and honour , and fear , do thou abound , and let thy god be thy teacher in his light and truth for evermore , that thy enemies may see and be confounded , and may behold , and be ashamed before thee , unto whom thy rock of defence is a stumbling stone of offence , wherewith the kingdoms of the earth shall be dashed to pieces , and broken as a potters vessel before thee . come forth in thy beauty , and appear in thy glory unto the nations ; arise , arise , why should thou sit as alone , as in obscurity and darkness undiscovered , let the princes of the earth see thy excellency , and appear before the nobles in thy robes of perfect honour wherewith thou art decked and trimmed , as a bride pleasant unto thy husband ; do thou judge among the judges , and give thy counsel among the prudent , and appear in thy authority before kings and princes ; all the dominions of the world is not equal in treasure and wisdom unto thee , but all the children of whoredoms shall see their shame , and be laid naked when thou appears in thy purity ; the nations longs for thee to be partakers of thy vertue , therefore shew thy self and appear , that the rest of thy flock which yet remains upon the barren mountains may come in unto thy pold , to rest under thy shepherds power . o sion , thou art prepared of thy god to beat the mountains to dust , thou art fitted for his service , to thresh the bills ; make no carrying , but come away , spread thy self into every corner of the earth , for the upright thir steth for thee abundantly ; who layeth under the oppression in the land of darkness , which may be felt , from whence thou art freed into the everlasting light , and why should thou o sion lay at rest , while thy own seed , the children of thy womb are oppressed , groaning in the captivity under the uncircumcised , who hath driven away thy remnant , and scattered it from thee ? put on strength o arm of the lord , for thy 〈◊〉 age , hath no other helper , nor none that pittyeth her ; and shine forth tho● seed of jacob , and bring in the kingdoms of the g●●tiles , to partake with thee of thy everlasting substance , and lay out thy self to gain in thy holy seed out of the power of egypts king , o think upon and remember thy own former bondage , while thou was thy self captive in a strange land , and let thy bowels be filled with compassion towards thy own mothers children , and be not straitned in thy help and deliverance ; for thy god hath given thee an instrument with ●●●th , to beat the rocks to powder ; he is not wa●●ing unto thee in power and wisdom thou chiefest son of his l●●●e . give up , give up to obey his voice , and love not thy life unto death , till the seed of thy inheritance , and the blood of thy chosen be avenged upon the ●ead of jez●●●l , who hath slain thy elect in all genera●ion● , and nourished her self with the blood of thy innocent . call upon thy god and awake him to vengeance , to s●ite and to slay thy adversaries , and to consum● their habitations from off the earth , who have been too strong for the● ; why should●st thou not come forth in the power of thy judgement , to judge the earth in righteousness , and to exalt thy name in the glory , which all men hath despised , and seen no excellency in ? and thou o sions king hath been 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 stranger , and unknown in the earth , and thy treasure hath been masted amongst the harlots , and empty to this day hast thou returned , from gathering fruit off thy vineyard ; for slothful and abundantly 〈◊〉 ha●h the labourers been in the harvest , and it is time for thee ●o arise and work , for thy law hath been made void , and thy statutes and judgements hath been neglected , and all the princes of the earth contemneth thy laws , and counteth the sons of thy chosen heritage as slaves and bondmen , and decrees unrighteous decrees , and seals them in the pit of their unbelief upon the mountains of their rebellion against thee . how long lord ? how long ? when wilt thou appear to lay their honour in the dust of confusion ? is it not the fulness of thy time which thou hast promised ? how long shall the remnant of sion sit as a widow , bemoaning her children ? thy host and chosen waiteth for commission from thee to do thy will ; that thou art our god and our king , our judge , and our law-giver , who our souls hath chosen , may for ever be exalted in thy majesty and throne of justice and judgement , and thy camp waiteth to see the honour of kings and princes overthrown by thee , and thy dominion set to rule over their heads ; that all nations and kingdoms may become subject unto thee , and the kingdoms of this world way become the kingdom of thy son for ever , and evermore ; and saith my soul , come lord jesus , come quickly . finis . the true state of christianity, truly discribed, and also discovered unto all people what it was in its beginning and purity, and what it now is in its apostacy and degeneration ... / written by ... edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched 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(eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a30556) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 52806) images scanned from microfilm: (early english books, 1641-1700 ; 861:27) the true state of christianity, truly discribed, and also discovered unto all people what it was in its beginning and purity, and what it now is in its apostacy and degeneration ... / written by ... edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. [2], 37 p. printed for thomas simmons ..., london : 1658. reproduction of original in huntington library. an attack on outward forms of worship and on state interference in religious matters. eng society of friends. christianity -controversial literature. freedom of religion. posture in worship. church and state -great britain. a30556 r12629 (wing b6047). civilwar no the true state of christianity, truly discribed, and also discovered unto all people. what it was in its beginning and purity, and what it n burrough, edward 1658 16978 141 0 0 0 0 0 83 d the rate of 83 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the d category of texts with between 35 and 100 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-01 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2004-04 olivia bottum sampled and proofread 2004-04 olivia bottum text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-07 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion the true state of christianity , truly discribed , and also discovered unto all people . what it was in its beginning and purity , and what it now is in its apostacy and degeneration . and hereby , by true testimony is declared to the whole world ; how & wherin , in divers particulars , the christians through all the world ( so called ) now , are fallen and gone backward , and revolted from what the true christians once were . and this sheweth unto all the world , the woful state and condition , wherein them that are called christians now standeth , being departed and revolted from the spirit of christ , and from its teachings . and this is given forth , that all people may understand concerning the times , and the changing of times , and concerning what hath been , what now is , and what suddenly cometh to pass in the earth . written by a friend to the creation : a servant of the lord , edward burrough . printed for thomas simmons at the bull and mouth near aldersgate , 1658. a table of the contents whereby all may come 〈◊〉 understand what the subject is , and the particulars which in this volumn is declared . first , concerning the name of christian , and how and when the people of god were first so called ; and also of the increase thereof through world . secondly , concerning the decrease , and degeneration of the christians , and how and when the apostacy came upon them which hath overshadowed them for many ages . thirdly , concerning wherein , and in what particulars they are fallen , and degenerated , from the life and practice of true christianity . first , in respect of being made christians , and receiving the name ( herein they differ ) and are not agreeable to what the christians once were . and secondly , in respect of the operation of the spirit of christ . thirdly , in respect of unity and fellowship . fourthly , in respect of holinesse , and purity of life and conversation . fifthly , in respect of the ministry : 1. in its call . 2. in its practises . 3. in its maintenance . sixthly , in respect of worship , and of that in many particulars , is shewed the degeneration of christianity . seventhly , the present state of christians ( so called ) truly measured , and compared with the state of the jews in their rebellion , and found altogether equal , and agreeable in many things . eighthly , a true testimony against all that abomination and idolatrous worship now practised amongst the christians ( so called ) with many other things , &c. to all people upon earth that are called christians , this is a faithful and true testimony concerning you . behold and hearken , give ear and listen diligently all ye people through the whole world that are called christians ; all you i say , that goes under that name , and that bears that name , and are named christians , from one end of the earth to the other , through all nations and countrys whether you are scattered , upon the face of the whole earth ; behold and take notice what the word of the lord is unto you , and what the testimony of christ is towards you all , for the line of true judgement is laid upon you , and the measuring rod is put forth to reach over you , and the servant of the lord hath viewed your state and condition , and what you were in your beginning and increase , and what you now are , in your decrease and woful apostacy , into which you are fallen and degenerated from the life of christianity . oh , let your ears be open to instruction , and regard well what i through the lord do say unto you , even all you , and every particular of you under heaven , that makes a profession of christ in words , and are known through the world by that name of christians ; hearken i say and consider , and remember from whence , and into what you are fallen , and return and repent , the lord hath with you a controversie , and he will plead with you , because of your back-slidings and revoltings , for you are gone away backward , and you are turned aside from the life of christ , and from his spirit , and are now without that which was the reason and true ground of your name , christian , and you have lost the true character of the name , and now hath onely the name without the life and power thereof , and are dead to christ and his life , and hath a name to live , but are dead , and having lost that which gave you a true title to the name of christian , you deserve no●… that name , nor to be called by the name of christ , because you are departed from his spirit ; and this is to be declared to you in the name of the lord , that you may take a view of your own estate , to the end that you may be awakened to return from whence you are degenerated . the lord had a people in all generations , unto whom he was a god , and they feared him , and served him , and worshipped him , and his name was pretious amongst them , who were his chosen people , and with whom he dwelt , and his power and presence was amongst his people that did walk with him , under what name soever they went in the world ; but the first time that ever the people of the lord were called christians , or was known by that name from other people , it was at antioch , in the time of the apostles , who were followers of christ , as you may read , acts 11. 26. and the disciples were called christians first in antioch , and before that time the people of the lord were never called christians , and this name was given to them by the heathen , because they were for christ and of his part , and did follow him , and preach him to be followed , and in all things exalted his name , and did and suffered all things for the name of christ , therefore were they named christians , and that name was true unto them , for they had upon them the express image and character of christ , and followed his spirit , and preached him unto all people for life and salvation , and that all people might come to christ and become followers of him , and therefore they were rightly named christians , to be known by that name from all other people upon earth , who were not followers of christ , who could not rightly be called christians , because they were not of his part ; and from thenceforth unto this day , all people whatsoever that believed in christ , and became followers of him , and that professed him , were called christians , from that original and foundation of the name which then was laid , also you may read acts 26. 28. v. and a●…rippa said unto paul , almost thou perswadest me to be a christian ; here again paul followed christ and preached him , and was on his part altogether , and highly extolled his name ; therefore king agrippa called him christian , and was almost perswaded to be a christian , to wit , a man for christ , to take part with him , and to be on his side , and the name interpreted , this is the signification , and all that hath this character doth truly deserve the name of christians , for they are anointed people , and this was the beginning of the christian name : and before that time , as i have said , were the people of god never called christians in any generation ; and ever since that time , through all ages , all that professed christ , and believed in him , throughout the whole world were called by the name of christians , and the name and religion of christians were honourable , and greatly beloved of god , for that people were the peculiar people , a chosen generation , as you may read , 1 pet. 2. 19. and whilst the life of christ was manifest , and the spirit of christ did lead them and teach them in all their wayes and practices of religion , and whilst i say they retained the power and life of that , of which they had the name , the power and presence of the lord was amongst them , and above all the people of the earth were they blessed , and more then all people upon the earth besides had they the countenance of god shining amongst them , and upon them , and pure unity with god , and one with another , had they in his life , whereby they were made a terror and a fear to all nations while they stood in the councel of god , and were christians in life , and power , and practice , as well as in name , and the lord greatly increased them in number ; for as you may read through the acts of the apostles , through all the world many believed in christ , and became followers of him , and received the knowledge of him , and became anointed people , and received the name of christians , sometimes thousands at one sermon were converted to the faith of christ , and became subject to his spirit , and had his mark upon them , and all such were called christians , and the apostles went through many nations , and of the iews and greeks , and of the heathen , and all other people , some of each were converted , from that way in which they had walked , to follow christ , and they became christians , and here was the increase of christianity , and through many 〈◊〉 of the world they planted churches and assemblies of christians ; and as i said , while they stood in the councel 〈◊〉 , the name and religion , was of him greatly beloved . but now the christians are apostatized , and degenerated from the spirit of christ ; and from that which gave the●… the true name of christian , and the name is retained onely ; and the life and power lost : and now many have a name to live , but are dead ; and that is departed from , which gave the true interest and title in the name . hear this all ye christians , that life , light and power of god , which was amon●… the apostles and christians once , you are departed from , and have lost the sence and knowledge of , and hath the na●…e and not the thing , which was the reason and ground of the name : wherefore all ye through the world , that are called christians , look back to your original , look unto the apostle●… who were the first that were called christians , from who●… you had the name , and see how you are degenerated and 〈◊〉 len from the life that they were in , and though you retain the name of christians , yet you are not followers of christ , no●… taught by his spirit , and none in the dayes of the apostle●… were truly counted or called christians , but who followed the spirit of christ , and were first converted to him , and changed by his power from sin to righteousness , and from●… death to life , and such as were so , were truly called christians . but now all such as are called by that name , and 〈◊〉 not followers of the spirit of christ , nor converted to hi●… ▪ neither changed by his power from death to life , and 〈◊〉 sin to righteousness , such are in the degeneration , from 〈◊〉 life of christianity , and hath a name without the life 〈◊〉 power thereof . and now it remains to be shewed , how and when the degeneration came upon the christians , and wher●…in they are apostatized and degenerated from that life , and spirit and practice which was amongst the apostles th●…t were first called christians . the spirit of the lord spoke through the apostles , and foretold of a falling away from the truth , and from the true christian life , and paul said , acts 20 , 29 , 30. said he , grievous ●…olves shall arise and enter in , who would not spare the flock , 〈◊〉 from among themselves should men arise , speaking perverse things to draw disciples after them ; and he also said , 1 tim. 4. 1. that some should depart from the faith , and give heed to seducing spirits ; and he also said , that it should come to pass , that people should become wicked , departing from the truth , having the form of godliness , but denying the power thereof ; and such were led away with divers lusts , and men of corrupt minds , and reprobate concerning the faith ; and the apostle ●…eter also foretold , that there should false teachers arise among the christians , who should bring in damnable heresies , and many christians should follow their pernicious wayes , by reason of which , the way of truth should be evil spoken of ; and the apostle iohn 〈◊〉 that many false prophets were gone out then , and many antichrists were then come in among the christians ; now all these doth shew and declare of a degeneration and falling away of christians from the life of christianity , and we see these prophe●…ies fulfilled , and flocks of christians are devoured from the life of christ , by devouring wolves which hath entred among them , who hath led them into pernicious wayes , and into damnable heresies , whereby the name of christianity is become reproachful among the heathens , that never were called christians ; and many thousands are departed from the true faith , from that faith which did purifie the hearts of the saints , and many of the christians have given heed to seducing spirits , and hath the form of godliness , but denyes the power thereof , and they are led of divers lusts , and are become men of corrupt minds , and are reprobate , and without the true faith ; and the apostles prophesied of the degeneration which we see fulfilled in these our dayes , and even while some of the apostles were yet living , they saw the christians apostatizing and falling away , and the spirit of the lord spoke through iohn , rev. 2. 3. to the christian churches in asia , who were already departing from the christian life , some of them was departed already from their first work , and some of them were given to the doctrine of b●…laam , and to the doctrine of the nicolaitans , which thing the lord did hate , and others of them were seduced by jezabel , and taught to commit fornication , and to eat things sacrificed unto idols , and others o●… them had a name to live , but were dead , and others of them were neither hot nor cold , and the lord said he would 〈◊〉 them out of his mouth . now here the christians were falling away you may see , and as before it had increased , so now the true christian life began to decrease , and the glory thereof became darkned through all asia : and also rev. 13. 11. 1. 16. iohn saw one beast arise out of the sea , and another out of the earth , which set up a kingdom over the whole world , and caused all people upon earth to worship the beast , & the beast hath been great in his power , and he hath ruled over the world in great dominion ; and all that would not worship him , he hath had power to kill , and hath killed them , so that the true christian life and religion , as the apostles received it and practised it , hath been extinguished for many generations , and people hath had the form of godlinesse , but denied the power , and lived under the name and profession of christianity , but hath been without the life , and this is to be considered of and diligently searched into , by all you that go under the name of christians through all the world , for unto you onely i direct my words . and now it remains to be shewed what the state of christians are at this day , and wherein particularly they are apostatized and degenerated from the true life and practize of the postles who were the f●…rst christians ; for wherin the christians now are contrary and not agreeable to the apostles , in faith , in practice , in worship , in ministry , and in the enterance into christianity , and in any other thing whatsoever . i say , wherein they are contrary , and not agreeable to the true christians of old , to wit , the apostles , therein are they degenerated and fallen from the true life of christianity , and this shall be the rule of judgement to try all you that are called christians upon the face of the earth ; wherefore awake and come forth to judgement , for the measuring rod is laid upon you all , whereby you shall be truly measured and compared with them that were the first christians upon earth ; and the heathens shall see your nakedness and your shame , and hiss at you , when they behold how wofully you are fallen from that 〈◊〉 in the purity thereof , of which you do professe the words , 〈◊〉 shall not they rise up in judgement against you ; who never had the name of christians , who are not fallen nor degressed from what they have profest in any measure , comparable to you , who now retaineth onely the name of christian 〈◊〉 are departed from the life of christ . first , concerning the entrance into christianity , and the way and means whereby people are now made christians , 〈◊〉 receives that name ; in this will your fall and degeneration appear . for the apostles and first christians upon earth , before they were christians , or were called so , they were first converted , and changed and translated from death to life , as you 〈◊〉 read , 1 iohn 3. 14. and col. 1. 13. and they first received christ , and became followers of him , and received his spirit to teach them , and to guide them : for the apostle said , if any man have not the spirit of christ he is none of his , rom. 8. 9. to wit , no christians ; and the apostle said , as many as were the sons of god , were led by the spirit of god ; and also it was promised by christ to all that were his , the comforter should come , the spirit of truth ▪ and he should lead them into all truth ; which promise , all that were christians did receive , and they were led into all truth by the teachings of the spirit of christ , which dwelt in them ; for all that were sons , god sent the spirit of his son into their hearts , which spirit sanctified them through the obedience thereof . now these were christians , and were truly so called ; for they had the mark of christ and his image upon them , and he dwelt in their hearts by faith , ephes. 3. 17. these i say were truly called christians ; and none but such at that day of their original were called christians , or had fellowship in the christian life : nor were any looked upon by the apostles to be christians but by them that were such . but look back all ye christians upon earth , and see your ●…all , and wherein you are contrary , and not agreeable to the true christians in their first and pure estate . i say look back to your original , and see how you are apostatized from them in your entrance into your profession of christianity ; fo●… though you have the name of christians , yet you were no●… made so ▪ nor received that name by being first converted and changed , and translated from death to life , and 〈◊〉 being the children of disobedience , to be the children of god , through the work and operation of the spirit of god in you , for hereof are thousands and ten thousands of christians now wholly ignorant , and altogether without the feeling of the spirit of god , to change them , to convert them , and to translate them , but are accounted christians b●… tradition , or natural education , and because of being sprinkled with a little water upon the face , being infant●… , or by a bare confession and profession of the name of christ in words , and professing of a bare belief in the scriptures , by this way and means were you made ( and received you the name of ) christians without any real change from darkness to light , and from satan to god , as i have said . now here appeares to be a woful degeneration in the very entrance of the thing , and this is not agreeable , but rather contrary unto that way of christianity , wherein the christians in their beginning were so made and called , for then none were christians , or so called , but who through the preaching of the gospel were first converted , changed , and renewed as i have ●…aid , but now in these nations all are called christians that are sprinkled upon their faces with water by a teacher , when they are infants , or that doth but professe christ in words , though they are not guided particulerly by his spirit ; neither hath received christ to dwell in them , and to be king over them , and here again appeares a wo●…ul apostacy : for none in the beginning of christianity in the world were made christians , or so called , but who received christ , and in whom he dwelt , and was in them : as you may read , 2 cor. 13. 5. and who were followers of him , and had his spirit in them , the comforter to teach them and to lead them into all truth , but now thousands upon thousands who hath the name of christians , have not received christ to dwell in 〈◊〉 nor to rule them , neither is he manifest in them by his spirit to teach them , and they are not led into all truth ; but lives in 〈◊〉 and unrighteousness , and are not followers of christ , 〈◊〉 followes their own hearts desires , and their own hearts lusts : and are condemned in their own consciences , and hath not received the comforter , the holy spirit , to be their guide and leader out of all unrighteousness ; and here appears a woful degeneration : and that you christians through all the world are revolted and gone backward from christianity , as it was in its original ; a lamentation may be taken up because of this woful fall into which you christians are fallen : consider of your own state , and return , and repent . again , the christians were begotten of god , and born of him , 1 joh. 5. 18. and they were born of the word of god ▪ and of the incoruptible seed ; 1 pet. 1. 23. and they were created in christ iesus unto good works , eph. 2. 10. and they were new creatures , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 things were done away , 2 cor. 5. 17. they had put off the body of sin and death , ●…oll . 1 18. and were the servants of right●… and free from sin , rom. 6 22. as you may read ; but now also , woful are you christians degenerated from this ; for thousands upon thousands of you are not born nor begotten of god , though you have the name of christians , neither are you born of the word of god which lives for ever , nor of the incoruptible seed , neither are created again : nor become new creatures ; nor have put off the body of sin and death , neither are the servants of righteousness , nor free from sin . but on the contrary , are the servants of sin , and free from righteousness , and are in the corruptible state , and are old creatures , and are not washed , nor purified , as the saints were , as you may read , 1 cor. 6. 11. and here is a woful degeneration of the christians now , from what the christians were in the beginning : the christians then were new creatures ; and put off the body of sin , and were washed , and sanctified ; but the christians now , are not so , but the contrary , to wit , unwashed and unsanctified , remaining in the pollutions of the world , and are of the birth which is born of the flesh , and are in the old nature , serving sin and the lusts of their own hearts , and thus are you fallen from that which the true christians possessed ; for being compared to them , you are not agreeable but rather contrary to them in all these things ; and the lord is now come to search you and to try you ; and to all people shall you be discovered , for the lord is now risen to bring all to tryal and to judgement ; and again , herein will the apostacy of the christians appear , in respect of unity and fellowship , for the christians in their beginning while yet the life of god was not darkened amongst them , they were of one heart , and one mind , and one soul as you may read , acts the 4. 32. and the lord promised that he would give unto his people one heart and one way : and ezek the 11. 19. the lord promised to give his people one heart and a new spirit : which promise the christians received , and they that believed were of one bea rt and there was no lack amongst them , but some sold their possessions , and distributed to them that had need : and they were members of christ ▪ and he was head amongst them , and over them : and they were flesh of his flesh , and bone of his bones , eph. 5. 23. 30. and all the christians were of one faith , eph. 45. and had unity and fellowship in the life which was made manifest in them ; for they had tasted and handled , and seen , and heard , the word of life , and they had fellowship with the father , and with his son jesus christ . but all ye christians upon earth , how are you degenerated , and how great is your fall in this , for you are not of one heart and mind , nor in unity and fellowship one with another , but are of divers sorts & sects , and are run into many opinions , and devisions , and are of many ways , and minds , and hearts ; divers sorts there are of papists , and divers sorts of 〈◊〉 so called , which are all divided in opinions , and striving , and contending about faith and religion , and the worship of god , and are opposing one another , and putting one another to death , because of a difference in those things ; how great is the difference through many nations amongst christians about those things ? which sheweth that the christians are wofully fallen in respect of unity , and it is manifest such christians have not received the promise of god , as the apostles had ; for now the christians can suffer one another to lack , and to perish , and die and starve for hunger and want : 〈◊〉 in this all ye christians generally how you are fallen ; then in the beginning of christianity , no lack nor want was amongst them ; they that had much , sold it , and gave to them that had none ; but now thousands are oppressed through want , while others have too much ; some are feeding and cloathing excessively with their multitude of dishes , and changes of rayment , while others hath scarce whereon to feed , or to cover their nakedness ; and this manifesteth that you are not members of the body of christ , neither is he head in you , nor amongst you , but you are members of an harlot , and joyned to a h●…rlot , and one with a harlot , for you profess many faiths ; some say they believe christ is given to all , others believes not so ; some say they believe he died for all , others they say , they believe contrary to that ; and thus the one faith which the apostles had , the christians of this generation have lost , and they have lost the one head christ , and hath many heads , every sect hath their head , many heads among the protestants , many heads among the papists , but thus it was not in the beginning of christianity ; therefore you christians are subverted from the true life of christ ; the christians then were of one faith , but now of many ; the christians then had one head christ , but now the christians ( so called ) hath many heads ; the christians then could lay down their life one for another , and were written in the hearts of one another by the spirit of the living god ; but the christians now , are in envy one towards another , and in strife one with another ; the great men doth oppress the poor , and they go to law one with another for earthly things , and one stealing from another , and one hanging another , and murdering one another , and making slaves one of another , and robbing one another , and seeking utterly to destroy one another , and yet such hath the name of christians , amongst whom all this is acted ; but consider how woful is your fall , and how wicked is your degeneration from the life of god , and from the true christian life and unity , which was amongst them in their beginning , then they were of one heart , and of one way , but now divided , and in strife and contention about religion , and the worship of god , and also about earthly things , for which they destroy one 〈◊〉 ▪ and seek so to do ; then they could lay down their life one for another , but now they are taking the life one from another , through wickedness , a woful apostacy , and great night of darkness is upon you ; then none amongst them had lack of any thing , nor none destroyed through wasting any thing upon their lusts , but now thousands perisheth for want , while others hath too much , and are destroying it upon their lusts ; then had the christians one head christ , but now the b●…ast reigns that hath many heads ; then they were of one faith ▪ but now the christians profess many faiths ; then the christians handled , saw , heard and felt , of the word of life in the●… , and they had fellowship with the father and with the son , but now thousands of thousands of christians are without the sence , and feeling , and knowledge of the word of life in them , and walks in darkness and in ignorance , and hath no fellowship with the father nor with the son . behold , behold ye christians , how ye are fallen , and how great is your fall ! a mourning and lamentation may be taken up for you , the garment of righteousness is rent from you , and the beauty of the son of god appears not upon you : 〈◊〉 , alas , what doth it advantage you , to have the name of christians , seeing you are thus wofully degenerate from that love , unity and life , in the fellowship of god , which was among the apostles , who were the first christians , and from whom ye derived the name , but are without the life , as hereby i●… manifest to all the world . again , herein doth the apostacy of christians appear , in respect of holiness and purity of life ; for the christians were of a holy life and conversation , the apostle said , 1 thes. 47. god hath not called them unto uncleanness , but unto holiness ; and as you may read , tit ▪ 2. the aged men were to be sober , grave , temperate , sound in the faith , in charity , in patience ; and the aged women likewise , their behaviour was to be as became holiness , and the young women were to be discreet , and chaste , and young men were to be sober minded , and servants were to be obedient to their masters , and to shew good fidelity ; for saith the apostle unto the christians , the grace of god had appeared , teaching them to live soberly , righteously , and godly in this present 〈◊〉 for that end was christ given , that he might redeem them from all iniquity , and purifie unto himself a peculiar people , zealous of good works . now here in short is a description of the true christian life and conversation , which was exhorted to , and no doubt but practiced by the christians , in the dayes when christ was manifest amongst them ; but from this practice are the christians degenerated : for , how are the aged men and women now given to covetousness , and earthly-mindedness , and are pi●…vish , and perverse , and immoderate , and in the works that are evil , shewing that they are not in the apostles doctrine , and not in the christian life , but to it are become dead , bringing forth fruits contrary to the fruits that the aged men and women brought forth in the beginning of christianity , shewing they are not of a holy life and conversation as the christians were , and ought to be ; and also how are the young men , and the young women degenerated from the true christian life , and now are given to wantonness and pleasures of the world , and the lusts which are evil ; following vanity , and pride , and vain glory , and masters , and servants being corrupt in their places , serving themselves one of another , and making a prey one upon another ; and thus all sorts of christians are fallen from the christian life , and holy conversation , and sheweth that they own not the grace of god , which hath appeared to all men to be their teacher , 〈◊〉 the true christians once did , for it is manifest that the christians now ( so called ) hath not denied all ungodliness and worldly lusts , neither doth live soberly , righteously and godly in this present world , as the christians did ; but on the contrary , how , are ye christians fallen from the pure and holy life , abounding in wickedness , and in all ungodliness ▪ how doth pride abound among christians ? how doth lying , swearing , drunkenness and whoredom , and all the works of the flesh abound ; dissimulation , back-biting , envy , wrath , and all that ever c●…n be called evil is abounding amongst ye christians so called ? this shews that your apostacy is great , from that life & conversation which the apostles and churches of christians were in , who had denied all ungodlin●…s and worldly lusts , but generally ye live in all ungodlin●…h and worldly lusts ; judge ye of this back ▪ sliding into which you are fallen ; they were taught to live soberly , righteously , and godly in this present world , but ye live unrighteously and ungodly , and out of the fear of god , and the grace of god is not your teacher as it was theirs ; also you may read how much the apostles exhorted the christians to a holy life and conversation ; the apostle said , 1 cor. 3. 17. the temple of god is holy , which temple ye are , speaking to the christians , and he said , eph. 1. 4. they were chosen in christ , that they should be holy and without blame before him , in love ; and col. 1. 22. they that had been sometimes enemies to god in their minds , were reconciled to present them holy and unblameable in his sight . and 1 pet. 1. 15. the apostle exhorted the christians to be holy in all manner of conversation ; and phil. 3. 20. the christians witnessed that their conversations were in heaven . now herein doth the fall of christians appear , in respect of their life , and conversation , and walking ; for the christians in the apostles dayes were of a holy life , and exhorted all thereunto , but the christians now , teachers and people , are degenerate in their conversation , and lives in all unrighteousness as i have said ; and the conversation of christians now , being compared with what the christians conversation was then , it is altogether contrary , and sheweth , that though you have the name of christians , ye are not followers of christ , nor led by his spirit , but by the spirit of antichrist . oh , how wofully are you fallen you christians from the life of christ ▪ having a name to live , but are dead ; the lord god is coming against you , to break you to pieces , for you have poluted his name in that you profess to be his people in words , but in works doth deny him . oh remember , remember , from whence you are fallen , and return , least the anger of god consume you from off the earth , for your conversations greatly dishonour the true god ; oh what gluttony and drunkenness is amongst christians ? what pride and vain glory ? what cruelty , envy and murder one against another ? what whoredoms and fornication ? what cozening ? what cheating ? how doth all wickedness abound amongst you , in your lives and 〈◊〉 ; let the lord be witness , and your own consciences be witnesses against you for your abominations ; they that were true christians , who followed christ , lived not in , but were redeemed from such transgressions , but you live in them , and acts them , wherefore be ye witnesses against your selves , that ye are fallen and digressed from the true christian estate . again , herein will you christians appear to be degenerated from true christianity in respect of your ministery ; for the ministers of christ in the 〈◊〉 of christianity they were made ministers by the gift of the holy spirit , which was given to them ; for they were commanded to wait at ierusalem for the promise of the father , and they were not to go forth till they had received power from god by the gift of his holy spirit , and when that was come , they should be witnesses and ministers of christ , acts 1. 48 and as they were waiting with one accord in one place , the holy ghost fell among them and filled them , and then they began to speak as the spirit gave them utterance , and they went up and down , and testified to the world of what they had heard and seen , acts 2. 4. now this was the call of christian ministers , and this was the authority by which they went forth into the world , to wit , the spirit of god poured upon them , and by authority of this onely they went up and down the world , and declared what they had handled , seen and tasted of the word of of life , 1 iohn 〈◊〉 and as every man had received the gift , so they might minister the same one to another , 1 pet. 4. 10. and this was the practise of the christian ministers in the beginning of christianity , concerning their call to the minist●…ry . but how is the christians here d●…generated from what the apostles were in , for by another way then this are your ministers made , not by the gift of the holy ghost received from god , neither do the christians now wait for such a thing , to go forth by authority and power thereof , but they are made ministers by natural learning , and education at school , having authority by man , and are ●…pproved of man and not of god , and a man knows who of his children he will make ministers , when they are infants , and thereupon pu●…s him to schools to learn arts and knowledge of earthly things , 〈◊〉 so long time , till he have gained so much knowledge and craft to be approved of such and such men ( and as is 〈◊〉 knowledge , and opportunity serves ; withal , having a grea●… place provided , where there is great store of maintenance ) such a man becomes a minister and a preacher to others , having never received , nor thought to receive the gi●…t of the holy ghost , neither having heard , se●…n , tasted , nor handled any thing of the word of life from g●…d in his own particular ; neither hath he received the gift of christ to be made a minister by : this sheweth greatly your degen●…ration from the true christian spirit ; none then ministers among christian●… ▪ but them who had received the gift by the holy ghost , and power from on high ; but now ministers are made and approved , and sent forth amongst christians , because of natural learning and education , without receiving the gift 〈◊〉 the holy spirit ; and the ministers of christ then spoke 〈◊〉 the spirit gave them utterance , but now ministers studies fo●… what they speak , and reads old authors to gather forth matte●… to preach to the people ; then the christian ministers heard , and tasted , and handled of the word of life in themselves ; but now the ministers hath their knowledge from book●… , and what they have heard and read without them . oh how great is your apostacy ye christians ! and in respect of your ministry , how greatly are you degenerated from the ministry which the christians once had ? be hold & consider this all ye christians upon earth , your ministry is proved not to agree , but rather to be contrary to that ministry which was amongst christians in the purity of christianity , as hereby is manifest ; and you are fallen from the ministry made by the gift of the holy ghost , to a ministry made by natural learning ; consider all ye christians how great is this fall . again , in respect of the maintenance of your ministry , your degeneration doth appear , for the ministers of christ amongst christians , as they were called by the spirit , so they were maintained in the work of their ministry by the free gift of the people , who received their ministry , and they were to give freely , and minister freely , as they had received freely , 〈◊〉 . 10. 8. 2 cor. 11 ▪ 7. the apostle preached the gospel of god 〈◊〉 , and would not make it chargeable to any ▪ . 1 cor. 9. 18. and the ministers of christ among christians at that day , went through the world and preached freely the things that they had received from god , and they sought no mans money , nor g●…d , nor apparel , acts 20. 33. and saith the apostle , 2 cor. 12 14. i seek not yours , but you , and that was their end altogether to bring people to god by their ministry , onely christ did allow , luke 9. 4. into whatsoever house they entred that was worthy , they might there abide , eating and drinking such things as were set before them ; and it was the apostles practice sometimes to reap carnal things , where they had sown spiritual things , and it was a small matter that they did so ; yet by a free gift they desired to reap it , and not by force and violence , did they ever obtain any thing . but concerning this ; great is the degeneration of christians in this generation , for now the ministers amongst you christians are maintained by an outward power , through compelling maintenance of tithes and other set wages , from the people , even from them that doth not receive their ministry , and they do not preach freely , but makes their preaching chargeable to whole nations , and the maintaining of christian ministers is become a burthen to whole nations , and great oppressions upon the poor ; and now the ministers seeks mens mony ; and gold ; and it doth not appear that they only seek a people to god , but on the contrary they seek peoples mony to themselves ; and it doth not sa●… the ministers now to eat & drink such things that is set before them in a house that is worthy , but they must have so much a year , and so much a sermon , and so much from every particular man of his parish be they worthy or unworthy ; to the value , of 100. or 200 l. by the year ; whereby poor people are greatly oppressed ; and they will reap carnal things by force and violence ; from them to whom they sow no spiritual things ; for they are suing at law , and putting in prison , and distraining peoples goods by force and cruelty , to maintain them and their familes in pride and idleness , which things the christian ministers formerly in the dayes of the apostles never did ; but were often under great sufferings , in 〈◊〉 often , and in cold and nakedness often : labouring with their hands ; 2. cor. 11. 27. wherefore ye christians , behold how you are fallen and how your ministry is degenerated both in its call & in its maintenance , being diverted 〈◊〉 contrary to what the christian ministry was once ; behold i say how you are fallen : and your ministry quite subverted , from what the ministry was in the dayes of the apostles ; then the maintenance of ministers was by a free gift from them that received their ministry , and they would not make their ministry chargeable to any , but now the maintenance of ministers is by force and cruelty , and great oppression of many people , and their preaching is chargeable to many nations ; then they sought no man gold nor mony , nor sought ●…ot riches from the people , but onely sought the people to god ; but now mens m●…ney and riches are sought and taken ●…rom them by violence , without regard of seēking people , or bringing people to god ▪ then to eat and drink ( in a house that was worthy ) such thing●… as were set before them , and to reap carnal things , as meat , and drink , and necessaries , by a free gift , from them that received their ministry , thi●… was a sufficient maintenance for the christian ministers , but now so many hundred pounds by the year , to maintain themselves and their families in pride and idleness , and to reap it by compulsion and injustice from poor people ; in this manner are the christian ministers now maintained , which i●… mani●…est to be quite contrary to the practice of christian ministers in the apostles dayes . behold your fall ye christians , and how you are degenerated ; the lord is come to try you , and to search you , y●…u are weighed and are found too light , you are measured and are found wanting ; what the christians were once in their purity , you are no●… in many things , but the contrary , which sheweth that you have the name of christians 〈◊〉 ●…y tradition , but are without the life , and being paralel●…'d with the christians who truly followed christ , you are no whit equal to them in any thing , but wholly contrary in all things , shewing you follow another spirit , then they who were followers of the spirit of christ , so 〈◊〉 to the whole world , that you are degenerate out of christ the true vine , and are branches in a degenerate stock , which brings fr●…it forth through you , which honours not god , but grieves his pure spirit , and be ye witnesses against your selves , that you are fallen and degenerate from that life and practice which was amongst the apostles and christians , again , as concerning your worship , which is now practiced amongst you christians through the world ; herein also will your apostacy greatly appear , for the worship of the christians was one , and guided by one spirit , and was in the spirit and in the truth , saith christ , iohn 4 ▪ concerning the worship of christians , god is a spirit , and they that worship him , must worship him in spirit and in truth , and saith the apostle , we are the circumcision that worship god in spirit , and rejoyces in christ iesus , and hath no confidence in the flesh , phil. 3. 3. and these were christians , and also , rom ▪ 6 7. they worshipped god not in the oldness of the letter , but in the newness of the spirit , and the spirit guided them in all thing●… , and was their teacher in all their worship ; for the spirit taught them to pray , and they prayed in the spirit , and they knew not 〈◊〉 they should pray for as they ought , but the spirit made interc●…ssion for them , rom. 8. 26. and the christians were exhorted to pray in the holy ghost , jud ▪ 20. and the preaching of christians , it was in the spirit , and by the teachings of the spirit ; for they preached as the spirit gave them utterance , acts 2. and philip was led by the spirit , and the spirit of the lord moved philip to go and preach to the eunuch , acts 8. and the apostles went up and down , as they were moved and led by the spirit , and preached and prayed in what place , and at what time and season as the spirit moved them , and gave them utterance ; sometime in the fields , and sometime in houses , this was the practice of the christians in their preaching and praying ; and also the apostle said , i will pray with the spirit , and with understanding , and i will sing with the spirit , and with understanding ; and he exhorted the christians to 〈◊〉 in psalms and spiritual songs , singing to the lord , and making melody in their hearts to him , eph. 5. 19. n●…w this is the ●…mony concerning what the worship of christians was , its manifest that it was in the spirit , and by the teaching●… of 〈◊〉 spirit , their preaching , praying and singing , were in the 〈◊〉 ▪ taught and exercised therein by the spirit which they had received from god . but now the worship of christians at this day , is not agreeable to this , but being laid to the line of judgement , is proproved contrary ; for first the christians now are divided in their worship , and hath many forms of worship , some worshipping after one manner , and others after another , so that amongst the christians there are divers forms of worshipping , and they are striving and contending about their worship , every one praising their own form , and striving one against anothers form of worship ; and this sheweth that the christians now are not guided nor exercised by the own spirit of god , in their worship ; and this shews that the christians now are degenerated from the true worship of god in spirit , which once the christians worship stood in ; for then the worship of christians was one , and in one spirit , but now the worship of christians are many and divers , and divided one from another , and they are not in unity in their worship , but in stri●…e and division ; and herein you are apostatized from the 〈◊〉 of christianity , and its manifest that the worship of christians now , is not in the spirit and in the truth , but in vain traditions , learned in natural knowledge by people that are no●… converted unto god , and any part of the worship which is now practised amongst christians , whether amongst papists of any ●…ort , or amongst protestants of any sort ; i say every part of the worship now practised amongst christians through the world , may be taught unto , and learned of , and exercised in , by a man that knows not god , neither is in the truth , nor converted to the truth ; neither hath the spirit of god guiding nor leading of him ; and i say , that which may be done or practised by a man that is not in the spirit , nor in the truth , nor is yet converted to the knowledge of god , nor is not in any measure guided by the spirit of god , is no●… the worship of the true god which is in the spirit and truth ; but as i have said , any part of the worship now practised amongst christians , may be done and practised by a man that is 〈◊〉 of the spirit , and out of the truth , and unconverted to the knowledge of god ; and therefore the worship now practised amongst christians , is not the true worship of the true god , which is in the spirit and in the truth , and which cannot be practised without it . many more things might be said , as to prove the worship of christians n●…w , as practised by them , is not the true worship of the true god ; but this is true which i have said , that which is practised without the spirit of god , is not the true worship of god , which must be in the spirit , and cannot be practised without it ; but such is the worship of christians , for the christians now generally prayeth , some after one form , and some after another , in their own wills and times , and knoweth not the movings of the spirit of the father thereunto , nor guiding them therein , but in such a manner as they set unto themselves , or as the custom of the country instructs therein , and knows not the 〈◊〉 of the spirit of the father in them , nor knows ●…ot the praying in the holy ghost ; and as for the preaching of christians , it is not now practised as the christians of old practised it , nor by the same spirit ▪ now they study for what they speak , and gathers out of the scriptures , some having it written in a book what they will preach to the people , and this is not to preach as the spirit gives them utterance , neither 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 from the teaching or moving of the spirit of god , but by humane art , and humane 〈◊〉 , knowing before hand , 〈◊〉 , and how much to speak , so much as they have collected in their thoughts from such a verse , and how long to preach , til a glass be run , & knows what to have for preaching ; a●…d this , and such like is the manner of the preaching now 〈◊〉 christians , which hath no savour in it of gods spiri●… ▪ o●… of the teachings or leadings of gods spirit in it , but altogether contrary , to wit , this practise savours of idolatry , and of vain traditions and superstitions . and in short , this practice of preaching amongst the christians now is not in the same manner , neither by the same spirit , nor for the same end as the preaching of the christians was in the dayes of the apostles , which sheweth that the christians now , are apostatized and greatly degenerated from what the christians were then : for again the christian ministers now doth not go as they were moved of the lord up and down from countrey to countrey to convert people to god , as the christian ministers did then : but inquires for places of great maintenance , where there is great store of tithes and set wages ; and if they can , there they settle themselves , and preaches in manner as i have said ; and this practice savours nothing of the teachings of the spirit of god , nor of the movings of that spirit , whereby the christian ministers of old were guided , which sheweth that the christiam ministers now are in the apostacy , and in the degeneration from god , and from what the christian ministers were then . and as concerning the practice of singing now amongst christians , it is not in the spirit , nor with a good understanding , but in a vain form , and tradition , and not in the spirit of the lord ; for now the christians many of them in a form sings the conditions of others ; as davids prayers , and praises , and troubles , and afflictions ; when as themselves are in a condition quite contrary to what david was , and so singeth that which unto themselves is false , as being out of that condition of which they sing , and this is not singing with the spirit , neither is it to sing spiritual songs ▪ and others of christians have another manner of singing ; 〈◊〉 which singing of christians now hath no ●…avour of the teachings of gods spirit in it , neither is it according , 〈◊〉 by 〈◊〉 ●…e spirit , as the singing of the christians once 〈◊〉 a woful apostacy is fallen among you , ye christians through the world , and you are fallen , you are fallen from the life of christ , and from the true practice of christianity . 〈◊〉 the first christians were in , then their praying was in the spirit , and in the holy ghost , but now without the spirit , in forms and traditions ; their preaching then was as the spirit led them , and as it gave them utterance , but now by humane learning and policy , a●… such a place for so much a y●…ar , an hour by a 〈◊〉 ▪ what they have gathered by 〈◊〉 upon 〈◊〉 m●…ns wolks ; 〈◊〉 the singing of christians was in the spirit ▪ and their whole worship was spiritual , in the spirit and in the truth , but the singing of christians now , and all their worship , is in vain traditions , exercised without the leadings and movings of the spirit of god ; then the worship of christians was one , and by one spirit , now it is divers , and in division , & in many contrary spirits . alas , oh ye christians , consider how 〈◊〉 is your fall , and how woful your degeneration , in respect of your worship , fallen greatly from the teaching of the spirit of god , in your praying , in your preaching , and in your singing , to follow humane learning , and worldly policy , and vain traditions , the customs of the country , and your own imaginations , in your praying , preaching , and singing , as i have proved unto you : oh consider how great is your apostacy from the true life of true christianity , greatly do you erre from the pure way , wherein the true christians walked , and being truly paralel'd with them , and measured with the spirit of true judgement ; you are sound not equall to them in any measure , but rather contrary altogether , shewing you are guided by another spirit then once the christians were , & that you follow another teacher then once they did , your practices doth make it manifest , which are contrary , and not according to what the practice of the christians once were , is not my judgement just upon you ? have you not lost that , and are departed from it which gave the name of christian , and so hath the name without the thing ? a profession of christianity , but no true title therein ; but having lost that which gave the true title to the name : so 〈◊〉 this is your state , and this is your condition generally ye christians through the world ; a name you have of christianity , but to the true life therof , in every particular , are you dead . and now all ye christians upon earth , behold , behold , how you are fallen and degenerated in all these things and many more , which might be named , fallen i say from the true christian life and practice , wherein the christians once were , shewing fully to all the world , that the spirit of christ doth not now guide ye christians , but another spirit , which brings forth through you other works and fruits , and of another nature then what the christians once brought forth and being compared with them , you are no whit equal , in the very way and means whereby you are made christians , you differ from them , and in all your practices , and in life and conversation you are contrary to them , and in respect of your worship and ministry , in every part thereof , are you altogether contrary unto what the christians once were ▪ yea , in your very apparel you shew a degeneration from the true life and practice in christianity ; for the apostle exhorted the christians to adorn themselves in modest apparel , with shamefac'dness and sobriety , not with broidred hair , or gold , or pearls , or costly array , 1 tim. 2. 9. and the christians were there exhorted , that their adorning should not be the outward plaiting of the hair ▪ or of wearing of gold , or putting on of apparel . but now amongst ye christians , is a practice found quite contrary ; what vanity and excess is in your apparel , striving to excel one another in pride and vain glory , in your gold , and silver and costly array , spending the creation of god to satisfie their lust●…ul minds ; shewing another spirit then was amongst the christians of old , whose words and name ye profess , but are degenerated from the life , in things of greater and less moment . alas , alas , oh wo is me for you ! how is my spirit 〈◊〉 oppressed in the remembrance of your woful fall ? what shall ●… say unto you but this ? you are revolted and gone away backward from the way of life , and you have altogether forgotten god , and are degenerated from christ the living vine , & the anger of the lord is now greatly kindled 〈◊〉 you , to consume you , and to confound you , because you are revolted and turned aside from the pure and perfect way of god , which once was manifest amongst christians , and your back sliding and apostacy is truly compared to that of the iews , who did retain the name of the people of god , 〈◊〉 they were turned aside from his commandements , even 〈◊〉 you do retain the name of christians , though you are departed from christ ; for the iews had seen and known much of the power and presence , and hand of the lord , in many 〈◊〉 victories and deliverances , and the lord had chosen them above any other people at that day , to place his name 〈◊〉 them , and amongst them ; and yet after all that , they forgot 〈◊〉 wondrous works , and rebelled against him , and became 〈◊〉 and hard-hearted people , much more then any other besides them , and they would not be instructed , nor reclaimed by the voice of the prophets , but smote them , and slew them , and when christ their saviour came , they would not receive him , nor walk in his wayes , but crucified him , saying , they would not have that man to reign over them . and to this in every particular , are the christians now found equal , and agreeing with back-sliding israel , for much of the hand and power of the lord was the christians made partakers of , and the lord wrought great deliverances for them , when they were few in number , and under heavie yokes and bondage , through persecution and cruel dealing ▪ 〈◊〉 then the lord was with them , and increased them greatlie in number , and gave them victorie in a great measure over all their enemies ; but now are they revolted even as the iews , and have forgotten god , and greatly rebelled a●… him , and have turned his love to their lusts , abusing his loving kindness , and are become a 〈◊〉 , and a hard-hearted people as ever were the iews , and now you will not be instructed nor reclaimed from the error of your wayes , but abounds in all manner of unrighteousness , and will not 〈◊〉 to the voice of the lord , nor return to him , but are 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 people , and will not return unto him from whom you are fallen , but hates the light which christ hath lightened you withal , neither will have christ to raign over you , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the life as the iews did . and as the sacrifices and oblations , the sabboth-keeping of the iews , and all the works of righteousness , were abomination to the lord after they were departed from him , even their very practice of those things which god had once commanded them to perform , became a burden to the lord , and 〈◊〉 soul could not away with them , even their new moons and sabboths , his soul hated , isa. 1. and all their sacrifices were as if they cut off a dogs neck , and their oblations as if they offered swines blood , and their burning incense , as if they blessed an idol , isa. 66. i say , the very practice of the iews , after they were revolted , and become disobedient children , in those very things , which god had commanded them to do and practice , and which once the lord accepted the doing of by his people , yet after they were turned aside from the leading of his spirit , the practice of the very same works were hateful in the sight of the lord , when they performed works of righteousness to him , and yet their hearts went after their covetousness , and then , their practicing of that which god had once commanded to be done , their doing of it was idolatry , and was a burden to the lords soul , and their righteousness , and all their practices therein , were as filthy rags , even loathsom in his presence , when their fear towards him was taught by the precepts of men , and they had lost that pure fear which once was taught them of god , but they were gone from his fear , which should have kept their hearts clean ; and their hearts were defiled and polluted , and therefore not any of their performances to him could be accepted , but were altogether become an abomination . and even thus is it at this day , as concerning the sacrifices and performances of christians , being as i have said , and made manifest , departed from the lord , and from the spirit of christ ; all their prayings , and preachings , and singings , their baptisms , and breakings of bread , and even all that which you perform as unto god , as the worship of him ; is not accepted , but abomination unto him ; and his soul is ●…thened with all these things , you not being led with the spirit of christ ; and even your practicing of these things , which the saints and christians once practised , and were accepted of the lord in so doing , while they were led by the spirit of christ ▪ i say the very practice of those things now , by the christians being degenerated , is become idolatry and abomination to the lord ; and this i declare in the fear and presence of the lord , even all your praying , and preachings , and profession , all your sabboth ▪ keeping , and set dayes of humiliation , and even all your practices of religion , which you do and perform is idolatry , and a burden to the lords soul , in the state that now you stand , not being led with the spirit of christ , but being from it departed , and your works not brought forth by it , but by another spirit . and now saith the lord unto you christians , ( who are degenerated from the spirit of christ ) to what purpose is your preaching , praying and singing , they are a vexation and a burden to the righteous soul , and the lord hath no delight therein ; away with it , away with it , your profession & practices stinks in the nostrils of the lord ; all your baptisms , & your sacraments , which ye perform in a vain tradition , and not by the spirit of the lord , they are hateful in his sight , away with them , away with them , they shall crumble to the dust , and immediate desolation in one day ; the lord will break them down , and never build them up again ; your preaching by a glass for so much a sermon , or so much a year , what you have gathered out of books , and studied for from other mens words , down with it , down with it , it is an abomination to the lord ; and your ministrie which is made and sent forth at schools , and by natural learning , through the attainment of such arts and sciences , and being approved of such and such men , and sent forth to such and such a parish , to have so much money by the year for preaching what hath been studied for , and not by the gift of the holie ghost ; away with this ministrie , away with it , it s a mocking of god , and a deceiving of souls , the lord will confound it , and bring it to destruction , and your singing of the saints words in rime and meeter , and their conditions , which your selves never knew ; this is abomination to the lord , & a practice which his soul hates , away with it , the lord is risen to confound it ; away with al your worship , which is not in the spirit nor in the truth , but in vain traditions of men , practised by you in a vain form , and not in the power of god , the lord will bring it down to the ground , and re●… , and establish his own worship , which is in spirit and in truth ; and he will give , and hath given his ministrie again by the gift of the holy ghost , which hath been lost for many ages , while this night of apostacie hath overspread the world , and the lord shall no longer be worshipped in vain traditions of men , but his people shall be restored and renewed , to worship him in spirit and truth ; and the christian life shall again be brought forth , and the spirit of christ shall be the leader and teacher of his people ; and now the day of the lords visitation is again revived , for to gather his people , and to restore them again to his perfect way and worship . therefore hearken and behold ye christians , this is the testimony of the lord concerning you ; you have been fallen and degenerated from the life of righteousnesse , and from the true way and worship of the true god ; and you have long been slumberi●…g and sleeping in this long night of darkness ▪ which overshadowed you , and darkened that glorious appearance of the son of god , which once shined upon the christians , and in blindenesse and darknesse have you walked for many ages , and your worship hath been superscribed to the unknown god ; and wofully have you been wallowing in unclean paths , and you have erred , you have erred from the life of christ , and from his spirit , and you have gone from your husband , and followed other lovers , and you have been drenched in iniquity , & altogether polluted by transgression , and the state in which you now stand , is a state separated from god ; a state of great ignorance and darkness , and a state of hainous rebellion against god , whose soul and spirit is greatly oppressed & grieved because of your degeneration ; who is become more ignorant of god then the ox is of his owner , or the asse of his masters crib , and even the very same vision 〈◊〉 seen concerning you , as the prophet saw concerning israel ; therefore here oh heavens , and give ear oh earth , for the lord doth speak unto you christians ; i have nourished and brought up children , and they have rebelled against me ; and the ox knows his owners , and the asse his masters crib , but the christians doth not know , the people doth not consider . ah sinful nation , a people laden with iniquity , a seed of evel doers , children that are corrupted , that have forsaken the right way , and provoketh the living god to anger , and ye are gone away backward , the whole head is sick , the whole heart is 〈◊〉 , and from the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundnesse , but your conditions are wounds and bruis●… ▪ and putrifying sores ; you are not closed , neither bound up , neither mollified with ointment , and your country is desolate and your cities is burnt with fire ; your land strangers devo●… it in your presence , and it is desolate and overthrown by strangers ; and but that the lord of hosts hath left us a small 〈◊〉 , even a seed , ye christians would have been as so●… ; if any man have an ear to hear , let him hear ; this vision is as true unto you christians throughout all the world , 〈◊〉 ever it was unto the seed of the jews ; this is your state , and this is your condition ; and thus ye stand in the sight of the lord , though in your beginning ( in the beginning of christianity i mean ) the lord brought up the christians and nourished them by his living word , and with his word hee cherished them , and they grew unto a goodly state , and were 〈◊〉 in christ ▪ col. 2. 10. and they were come to the spirits 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 men made perfect , and unto mount sion the city of the living god , the heavenly ierusalem , and to an innumer able company of angels , to the general assembly and church of the first-born , which are written in heaven , and to god the iudge of all , heb. 12. 22 , 23. 24. to this state were the christians nourished and brought up , in the dayes when they were first brought forth , when they were begotten and born again of the immortal word that abides for ●…ever , and they were sanctified , and purified , and made clean ; unto this were they nourished and brought up out of darknesse , and from under the shaddow of death ; but notwithstanding this , the christians now have rebelled against the lord , and doth rebel against him ; and though he hath been unto them as an owner to the ox , and as a crib to the asse , even as thus hath the lord been unto the christians , yet they know it not , neither doth the christians consider , but is indeed grown sinful , and laden with iniquity , and the seed of evil doers brings forth its fruit through christians , being become children that are corrupters , having forsaken the lord and his way , which was made manifest in the dayes of the apostles , and the lord is greatly provoked , for the christians are gone backward from what they were in their beginning , as i have fully made manifest , and this vision of the lord is unto you , all ye christians , even as a tree that is of the most precious seed , and the most noble vine that is planted in a good soil , that is digged and dressed , and grown to a goodly stature ; and bringing forth some acceptable fruit unto the good husbandman for a season ; yet this tree becomes blasted by an unwholesom air , and becomes degenerate from its vertue and property , and nature , and becomes a wilde vine , and a plant of great disgrace , ceasing to bring forth any good fruit , and becomes fruitful in all evil , and the labour of the good husbandman is ●…ost ; for while he looks for good fruit , nothing appears , but fruit of an evil taste , which is altogether loathsome unto the good husbandman . this parable is unto you christians , and this is your state , and your condition ; therefore behold what shall the lord do unto this tree ; shall he not cut it down to the ground and cast it into the purging fire , shall he not lay his ax to the root , and cause all its branches utterly to wither , and cause it to cease in being , even as it hath ceased in bringing forth fruit ? shall not the good husbandman destroy this tree with all its corrupt fruit , and shall not his own hand accomplish the purpose of his own heart ? this tree shall be fuel for this fire of his anger , he will pluck it up and not plant it again , because it is degenerated . g●…e car all ye christians to the testimony which is concerning you , you are fallen , you are fallen , and being compared to what the christians were , you are no whit equal ; but a●… diverted in all your practices , from that spirit which led the apostles and christian churches ; and your works shew another spirit then the spirit of jesus : wherefore great i●… your fall , and to be lamented , and though you have the name of christians , yet you want the life . the end . an objection . but whereas it may be objected by some and said , seeing the state of christianity is thus discovered what it was i●… its beginning and purity , and what it now is in its degeneration ; and seeing the present state of christians is thus condemned , what do i believe concerning the state of christianity to come ? what shall succeed this present degeneration ? and may it be expected that ever christianity shall be restored to that state of purity as it was in its beginning ? and whether may people expect to come into the same life again , and to know the same power , and worship , and unity , which was amongst the apostles and first christians churches ? and whether do i judge that ever the ministry can be again received by the gift of the holy spirit onely , without natural learning and languages ? and whether the same spirit is to be waited for and received ? and whether the same anointing can be known in this age , or any age to come , as it was in and among the apostles and christians , before the apostacy and degeneration . answer . to all this i answer , and do say , that the present state of christianity is woful , and to be condemned of the lord , as being degenerated from his life , power and spirit , whereby all hearts are darkened , and all minds estranged from the covenant of life and peace , and from the sence and feeling of the life of god : and now in all the wayes , and worships , and practices of christians they are fallen and degenerated from that life in which the christians once were ; and the beast hath raigned over all for many ages , and because of his power , and greatness , and dominion , who hath been able to make war with him ; he hath killed the saints , and hath subjected all nations under his power , and every nation hath received the mark of the beast , and born his image for generations , and all flesh hath s●…ggered , and hath been made drunk with the ●…up of fornication , that hath been i●… the hand of the whore who hath set upon this beast , who hath caused both small and great to worship him , and all that would not , he hath had power to kill them ; and this government hath ruled over the whole christendom , and the worship practised hath been but the worship of the beast , while people have been erred from the spirit of christ , and not guided by it onely ; and people hath been compelled to worship by laws of men , they have been compelled to sprinkle their infants , and they have been compelled to go to steeple houses , and compelled to keep a sabboth , and compelled to hire priests , and to pay them wages against their wills , and all this compelling by an outward power , hath not been the worship of god , but savoured altogether of the worship of the beast ; for you may read , rev. 13. 12 , 15 , 16 , 17. how the beast caused all , both small and great to worship him , and all that would not worship him by his power , he hath had power to kill them ; and all compelling and causing to worship by an outward power , is the worship of the beast , for christ nor his apostles never caused any to worship god by an outward power ; for while christianity kept its purity and authority , they begot people to god , and to worship him , by the word of god , and by the power of the spirit ; and they did not bring any into their sect , nor to worship with them by an outward law and authority ; for that is in the government of the beast , it was he that first caused both small and great to conform to his worship , and it is his power that upholds it , and maintains it unto this day . but now the seed of god is arising , which is able to make war with the beast , and his kingdome , and his worship shall be thrown down to the ground , and all this causing and compelling to worship , causing to keep a day , and causing to hire teachers to maintain them ; and this causing to go to steeple-houses , and to maintain them , and all this causing to pay tythes , it shall all fall to the ground , and be beat down by the 〈◊〉 of god , which is a rising , and it shall be no more found among true christians , nor the beast shall not be worshipped , 〈◊〉 his authority any more of force ; for the day of the lord hath now appeared , and the light is sprung forth which hath made all things manifest , and now the difference is known between the worship of the beast , and the worship of the true god : and concerning the state of christianity to come , this i ●…new & believe , a glorious restauration thereof shall appear throughout the whole christendom , & christianity shall again be restored to its former purity , and christians shall , and may receive the same spirit , from which the christians hath been degenerated ; and the same life , the same power , and the same worship and unity shall be revived amongst christians in the restoration ; even the same that was in the beginning before the apostacy , and the glory of god shall again appeare among his people , and they shall again worship him in spirit and in truth onely , as they did before the apostacy , and all this traditionall worship , and false imitations which hath been set up since the apostles dayes , shall be overthrown and confounded ; the lord is risen and will dash down and overthrow all this idolatry now practised amongst christians . and a great shaking and counfounding shall suddenly come among christians ; for the lord will break down that which hath been builded because it is polluted ; and he will pluck ●…p that which hath been planted , because it is defiled ; and a mighty work will the lord work in the earth , the kingdoms of this world will he change into the kingdoms of christ , and christ shall reigne in and among his people , and his spirit shall be the teacher and leader of his people , and all false ●…chers will the lord confound and consume ; all these hirelings , who go for gifts and rewards , and all this manner of preaching and teaching , which are come up since the apostles dayes ; all this preaching which they study for , and by a 〈◊〉 , and for so much money a year , all this shall be tumbled down into the pit ; gods vengeance shall come upon it all , and the annoynting shall be received , and it shall dwell in people , as it did in the apostles ; and the people shall need no other teacher but as that annointing teacheth all things , and for this spirit and annointing , all that feare god may wa●… to receive it in this present age ; which spirit brings into the same unity and life , into the same worship and fellowship that was amongst christians in the beginning before the apostacy ; and this state may christians be restored to , and for this state all that fear god and love him are to wait , for this shall come to passe in the world . and as concerning the ministry , i know and do believe it may be , and is received again as the apostles and christian ministers first received it , to wit , by the eternall spirit and gift thereof , through the revelation of christ jesus in them ▪ and such may and doth preach the gospel freely , as they doe receive it freely , and without naturall learning and languages . for by that can none be made ministers of christ , nor by any thing without the gift of the holy spirit , and christs ministry shall again be received thereby ; this i believe : and all this ministry made and sent forth by naturall learning , and without the gift of the holy spirit , the lord will confound it in this age ; for this is come up since the apostles dayes , to make ministers by naturall learning , and it stands in the apostacy from the life , and spirit of christ , and its call , and work , and maintenance , savours not of the kingdome of christ , and the lord will bring it downe , and the gift of his ministry will he restore by his spirit ; and this is , and shall come to passe , and it may be waited for in this present age ; and the lord will restore his ministry as in the beginning , and his work shall be glorious ; for many there are , is , and shall be converted to god , and brought out of the degeneration , and to that shall people come which all christendom hath been apostatized from , and shall receive the same spirit , and the same annointing which was amongst the christian churches ; and life and immortality shall again be brought to light through the gospel , which hath been hid for ages while darkness hath been over the minds of people ; and i say and testifie before all the world , that christianity shall be restored to its former state ; life shall spring forth , and truth shall be increased , and faith shall waxe strong , even the same 〈◊〉 that the apostles had , which gave them victory over all the world which shall again give people the same victory ; and this shall be known in the earth : for the marriage of the lamb shall come , and all his people shall be joyned unto him , and they shall be one way , and one worship , and one teacher , and every man shall fit under christs vine , and none shall make afraid : yea , and more then a vine shall he be known ●…d more then a door , and more then a shepheard shall he be known to be to his people , and greater then a rock shall he be witnessed to be , and more then a teacher in the wildernesse . if any man have eares to hear , let him hear : more and greater is he becoming to his people , then is lawfull yet to utter : eye hath not seen , nor it hath not entred into the heart of man , but it is revealed to us by his spirit ; the joyfull day is approaching , the lambs wife is making her selfe ready , the wedding garment is putting on ; and all that which is polluted is to be done away ; and blessed is he that cometh to the marriage of the lamb , that he may become one spirit with the creator ; here is glory and rejoycing for ever , when this is known , that the wife hath not power over her owne body , but the husband , nor the husband hath power over his owne body , but the wife . where this is known , death is swallowed up of life , and 〈◊〉 is overcome of righteousnesse , and the inheritance of life eternall comes to be possessed , and death and hell is cast into the lake , and he which hath deceived , can deceive no more ; and blessed is the eye that seeth this , and the heart that understands . wherefore all ye christians upon earth , awake , awake , and put away your whoredoms , cast off your idolatries , and strip you , and make you clean of all your adultries ; drink no longer of the cup of fornications , nor eat no longer of the abominable flesh ; nor wear no longer your garments of unrighteousness , but strip ye , strip ye , make ye bare , all your old garments must be put off before you can appear before the lord . a great work will the lord work amongst you , he will ●…ake and overthrow all your altars , images , and idols which you have set up and worshipped ; the lord hath uttered 〈◊〉 voice , the beast that hath many heads , and many horns , 〈◊〉 tremble , 〈◊〉 one head and one horn onely shall be exalted , and the government shall be set up , of whose increase there shall be no end ; and people shall be brought into that , and they shall go forth no more , for who comes to this , time is no longer , and the kingdom and government is delivered to the father , and he is become all in all . and all that ever comes to know these things , must first come to the light of the lamb in them , with which every man is lightned that cometh into the world , and all that ever knows these things , must first be brought to the principle of god in them , which they have trangressed against ▪ and all that owns the light of christ , and walks in it , shall come to know these things , which to know and be in them , is eternal life . therefore all ye christians , come to the light which christ hath lightned you withal , and that will let you see the government of satan , and of sin and death , which hath been ruling in you , and the light will teach you to war against it , till it be subdued , the light will discover unto you that nature , in which the kingdom of satan bears rule , it will 〈◊〉 you see the devil , who is the prince of darkness , who is the adversary of god ; who is out of the truth , and he has dra●… all people out of the truth ; but if you love the light of christ in you , it will teach you to war against him , and against all that , that 's out of the truth ; for all that is of satans kingdom , that is out of the truth , and must be destroyed by the coming of the kingdom of christ ; whose coming is in the light , which christ hath lightned every man withal , who comes to destroy the devil , and his kingdom , and all his works ; so to the light must all minds be turned , which will reveal the kingdom of the man of sin , and consume 〈◊〉 the appearance of christ is light , and christ is the light of israel , which is as a fire , to consume all fruitless trees , which cumbers the ground , which the lord will consume by the brightness of his coming : and now is the man of sin revealed , even in the heart of christians so called , and he hath long shewed himself to be god , but now the lord will bring him down ; for antichrist has ruled for many ages , and the lord of life has been crucified in spiritual sodom ; but sodom shall be consumed by fire , and the lord will avenge himself of all his enemies , and all people and nations shall know there is a god , who executes justice and true judgement , who is a god near at hand to reward his people with everlasting life , and to give unto his enemies judgement and condemnation . the end . truth (the strongest of all) witnessed forth in the spirit of truth, against all deceit: and pleading in righteousnesse its owne cause, to the understanding of the simple, against a very great number of lyes, slanders, perverting of the scriptures, contradictions and false damnable doctrines, held forth by the independants. and in particular by one john bunion, (one of gogs army) in two severall bookes put forth by him, against the despised scattered people called quakers. and is a reply unto his second book, called a vindication, &c. wherein what was wanting in his former of fulfilling wickednesse is now appeared; by his adding sin unto sin, against god and against his owne soule. and this is to cleer the truth from above 100 of john bunions foule dirty lyes and slanders: by a friend of the truth as it is in christ jesus; and not as it is in mens carnall apprehensions, edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. this text is an enriched version of the tcp digital transcription a77969 of text r207500 in the english short title catalog (thomason e910_3). textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. the text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with morphadorner. the annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. this text has not been fully proofread approx. 160 kb of xml-encoded text transcribed from 35 1-bit group-iv tiff page images. earlyprint project evanston,il, notre dame, in, st. louis, mo 2017 a77969 wing b6051 thomason e910_3 estc r207500 99866546 99866546 118822 this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the early english books online text creation partnership. this phase i text is available for reuse, according to the terms of creative commons 0 1.0 universal . the text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. early english books online. (eebo-tcp ; phase 1, no. a77969) transcribed from: (early english books online ; image set 118822) images scanned from microfilm: (thomason tracts ; 137:e910[3]) truth (the strongest of all) witnessed forth in the spirit of truth, against all deceit: and pleading in righteousnesse its owne cause, to the understanding of the simple, against a very great number of lyes, slanders, perverting of the scriptures, contradictions and false damnable doctrines, held forth by the independants. and in particular by one john bunion, (one of gogs army) in two severall bookes put forth by him, against the despised scattered people called quakers. and is a reply unto his second book, called a vindication, &c. wherein what was wanting in his former of fulfilling wickednesse is now appeared; by his adding sin unto sin, against god and against his owne soule. and this is to cleer the truth from above 100 of john bunions foule dirty lyes and slanders: by a friend of the truth as it is in christ jesus; and not as it is in mens carnall apprehensions, edward burrough. burrough, edward, 1634-1662. [2], 63, [1] p. printed for giles calvert, at the black-spread-eagle, near the west end of paules, london : 1657. annotation on thomason copy: "may 5th". reproduction of the original in the british library. eng truthfulness and falsehood -early works to 1800. a77969 r207500 (thomason e910_3). civilwar no truth (the strongest of all) witnessed forth in the spirit of truth, against all deceit:: and pleading in righteousnesse its owne cause, to burrough, edward 1657 31294 39 0 0 0 0 0 12 c the rate of 12 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the c category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2007-04 tcp assigned for keying and markup 2007-05 apex covantage keyed and coded from proquest page images 2008-06 john latta sampled and proofread 2008-06 john latta text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-09 pfs batch review (qc) and xml conversion truth ( the strongest of all ) witnessed forth in the spirit of truth , against all deceit : and pleading in righteousnesse its owne cause , to the understanding of the simple , against a very great number of lyes , slanders , perverting of the scriptures , contradictions and false damnable doctrines , held forth by the independants . and in particular by one john bunion , ( one of gogs army ) in two severall bookes put forth by him , against the despised scattered people called qvakers . and is a reply unto his second book , called a vindication , &c. wherein what was wanting in his former of fulfilling wickednesse is now appeared ; by his adding sin unto sin , against god and against his owne soule . and this is to cleer the truth from above 100 of john bunions foule dirty lyes and slanders : by a friend of the truth as it is in christ jesus ; and not as it is in mens carnall apprehensions , edward burrough london : printed for giles calvert , at the black-spread-eagle , near the west end of paules 1657. to the reader . friend , thov hast here a very great number of * lyes and slanders , and unjust dealing , and false doctrines , &c. laid open and reproved in plainesse , and not in hypocrisie , and of contention there is not suddenly an end being begun ; therefore seeing the unbelieving heart of john bunion cannot believe me when i speake the truth in justnesse , nor may i beleive his lies and slanders uttered in hypocrisie ; what is laid downe is left to thee , soberly to judge of betwixt us , while we are both silent : and this know the one is a deciever and the other is as a deceiver yet true ; and thus may thou weigh things equally . first , considering of many lyes and slanders truly charged upon him in my first , of which he is guilty from his first , and he hath not at all cleared himselfe of them in his second , which an honest man ought to have done , before he had gone further ; for i soberly desired witnesse of what he said : but be hath added to the number of his wickednesse , and not proved justly what he hath said against us : and it is not for his sake , for little hopes i have of his conversion , but the rather that he will be hardened , nor for my owne sake as if i were unsatisfied concerning him that this is written , but to undeceive the simple of what his wickednesse may falsly suggest into the minde as if all were truth that he spoke , if his wickednesse were not reproved . againe , consider that i have cleared the truth of my words which he hath wrested and thereby taken occasion against the truth , by answering his owne conceptions and not my plaine words , so my words ( which are words of truth ) being defended , all his reply is made void : so i have not so much desired to answer every particular of his words , as to vindicate my owne words , and the truth from his false slanders and accusations . london , 12. month , 1656. e. b. truth ( the strongest of all ) witnessed forth in the spirit of truth against all deceit . o how hath satan filled the hearts of men , in this generation ( as well as in former ages ) with envy against the truth , and with wrath against the way thereof , and how hath he filled them with craft , and deceitfull subtilty , to offend the way of the lord , in all manner of persecuting , and evil speaking against it openly , and also in secret gainsayings , in hipocrisie , and how are men armed to defend themselves in their naughtinesse , laying hid under the vaile of fair speeches , and fine arguments , using the scripture in the words of mans wisedome , to oppose the power and life of righteousnesse , even as the scribes and pharisees of old , how zealous were they in their observances , and in fulfilling the commands and traditions of their fathers , having set themselves in moses seat , professing moses and the prophets words , and yet persecuted christ the life , and substance of moses , and the prophets , and as it was then , so is it now , how are christs words , and the apostles professed and preached by such who are enemies o the life of christ made manifest in mortall flesh , and secretly opposing the doctrin of the apostles , who said , know ye not , that christ is within you , except you be reprobates . but the mighty day of the lord is come , and comeing , wherein all hearts are made manifest , and the secrets thereof discovered , and the light is springing out of darknesse , and the sun is breaking thorow the clouds to give light to all men and nations , and the great whore which hath decked her selfe in divers colours to deceive , shall be made naked and bare , and the day of great striving is come , and now every man stands up for his interest , to defend his possession , for the just judge standeth at the doore , to enquire by what law every man holds his inheritance , and he findeth many holding their religion , and profession , by the traditions of men only , and not by the revelation of christ jesus in them , and such he will dispossesse , though they strive against him , yet all is in vaine , and though they plead antiquity , yet that will not prevaile , and in that the day of great striving is come , betwixt the lamb and his followers , the draggon and his followers , every one of that party appearing with such weapons as the devil hath armed them withal , and with such armour as the wicked hath they come , appearing under divers colours , to fight against zion , yet under one head , and prince of darknesse , and unto one purpose , even that the seed of jacob may be rooted out , and that the way of truth may not prosper , that then the wicked may goe on in their wickednesse , without reproofe , and ungodlynesse may be hid under hypocrisie and above all other means , that is used at this day , to keepe up the kingdome of the devil , and to offend the kingdome of christ ; this is cheife , striving against the light of the world , opposing it , and denying it , and by crafty arguments , and cunning speeches , seeking sutable scriptures , ( as they suppose ) to ground their false arguments upon , against this very thing , that the light of christ is given to every man that comes into the world , or that the light which convinceth and reprooveth every man of sin within him , is not the light of christ , nor worthy to be taken notice off , but naturall and such like , and no way sufficient to life and salvation ; if the unjust men persecute , it is such as walke in the light of christ jesus , that cannot fulfill the wills and customes of men , and so are not of the world , but contrary to it , in all its wayes and workes which are evil , and if the wise men of the world make any argument , it is against the light , with which christ lightneth every man that comes into the world , so that all the envy of the devil , whether under this or that colour and appearance , is against the light of christ jesus and them that walke therein , and if the light be but denyed , and not balieved in , nor regarded , then may the devil have whole possession of the heart of man , and if the light of christ jesus within , be owned and loved , and walked in , then christ is received , and there the devil is dispossessed , and therefore it stands him upon , above all other things to possesse people against the light within , which christ hath given , that then he may not be discovered in the heart ; but may keepe all his goods in peace , and have quiet possession in his habitation ? well , be it so , though all men of that kingdom doth gainsay the light of christ , by this or that way of wickednesse , yet it is precious unto us , and i cannot but earnestly contend for it against all gainsayers , and yet strives not for mastery to our selves , nor to exalt any thing of our selves , but only the lord and his truth , which he hath made more deare to us , then either life , or name , or liberty , and though so it be , that this way be spoken evil against every where , yet the lord owneth it , and us who are faithfull therein , in the presence of our enemies , to the confounding of the wisdome of this world ; and whereas john bunion hath formerly set himselfe divers wayes to oppose the truth under the account of his great zeale against error ; but especially in a booke sometime since , put forth by him , thinking thereby to offend the way of righteousnesse ; and now a second time hath appeared , with a defence upon his former , called a vindication , &c. of the former and his defence , is more to the laying open his folly , and to the uncovering of his blindnesse and wickednesse , then his first offence given by him , which caused me to write in short four sheets of paper , to clear the truth from what he had spoken against it . and now having again a second time appeared in many words without knowledge yet in great zeale , hath brought forth many things reprovable , even lyes and slanders , and evil speeches in abundance , yet with great pretence of holynesse , and sobernesse , and he hath not only helped me , but the truth which is my cheife , and moving cause , ( that the truth may be clear ) of this my second reply unto him , and not for my own sake in any thing , for i more prize to be accounted a foole , and dispraysed in the world , then to be honoured thereby , and when iniquity shall come to an end , and transgression shall be finished , his shall be the kingdome and the inheritance of rest eternall , that hath kept himselfe clean and pure , from a lying and slanderous tongue , and who hath done righteously and fulfilled the will of god , for it is not every one that saith lord , lord , that shall enter into the kingdome , but he that doth the will of the father which is in heaven , and in that day when the booke of all consciences shall be opened , and every thing brought to judgement , then shall the light in every ones conscience answer the lord in the justnesse of his dealings , and even then ( if not before ) shall this john bunion know the light in all mens consciences is of force ; when he shall be judged and then shall he see , he hath wronged the lord , and dealt evil against his own soule , in speaking evil of what he hath not known , and in giving false judgement of what he hath not understood , and till that day i leave him ( without praying for fire to devoure him ) only may reprove his lyes errors , contradictions and false dealing , and clear the truth from his false charges , and only to the most cheifest things whereof he accuses us , in short i may reply . and whereas thou saist , there is one that hath ventured to stand up against the truth , and hath published a booke in which there is a great number of heresies cunningly ●ented by him and also many things there falsly reported of thee , to which i answer , that same booke published called the true saith of the gospel contended for , &c. shall clear it self from this reproach that i have not stood up against any one truth , or uttered any heresie or lye against thee , * but in that booke did witnesse forth the truth against many things falfly layd down by thee against the quakers , and that same booke with sobernesse read , without partiality and prejudice , doth clear it selfe from these false aspersions , and prove thee a lyer herein , and i leave it to the honest hearted to judge , who reads that book while i with patience and not seeking any revenge , doe bear thy reproaches , counting them greater riches then thy praise . and farther thou saist , only by the way thou thinkest good to mind me of my cloathing my selfe with the words of the prophets and apostles , &c. answ. true enough by the way , out of the truth , and out of christ who is the way , hath thou spoken this , and so hath uttered in falsehood , and by , or out of the way , neither have i cloathed my selfe , and yet am i cloathed , with the life of the prophets and apostles , and not only with their words , nor do i fight against them ( though thou falsly say it ) but bears witnesse unto them , in doctrine and conversation , and against thee , all the seed of evil doers , and take backe thy own words to thy self , who art in that generation , which hath the words , but art without the * life in the evil life . farther thou saist , i have broken out with a false testimony of john burton and thee , at which thou seemest to be much offended , that i should say thou art joyned with the broken army of magog , and hath shewed your selves in the defence of the draggon , against the lamb , &c. reply , what needest thou be troubled at this , have i not spoken the truth , and have i not said well herein , for you are joyned with all the wicked in the nation , and as lyars and swearers and drunkards , persecutes with violence , and as the proud and wanton are filled with scorning and singing wicked rimes in the streets , even so also are you come in print , and all of you against them called quakers , the drunkards and swearers they beate , them and abuse them , and cast them as for dead into diches , with stoning in the high wayes , and in the streets beating downe with staves , and the wanton they sing there rimes in scorne in alehouses , and taverns against them , and thou and thy fellowes and generation appeares in open print , slandering and reviling them ( yet in pretence of zeale for god ) and all this you doe against us who have the witnesse that we are of god , and that the whole world lyes in wickednesse , and now are not you all joyned as an army , and doe you not shew your selves in the defence of the draggon , * what wrong i have done you , let the upright in heart judge , whether i have given false testimony against you or no , and though you have noted it for a lye in the margent , yet the lye is thy own , who hath gain-said the truth herein , and called it a lye , and i have dealt justly with thee , in the sight of god and all that know him , and when the booke of thy conscience is opened , thou shalt also confesse to this thing , when thou standest condemned with them , with whom thou art now joyned , against us , who have the testimony that we are of god , and worshippers of the father in the spirit and truth , and my words were spoken by the spirit of the lord , and that in thy conscience shall witnesse them , in the day of the lord ▪ though now thou opprobriously say , * here are flung into the wind . and whereas thou seemesto be greatly offended , that i should say parte of the first booke is a corrupted grain of babylons treasure , &c. but have not i spoken the truth herein also , when i say , i have numbred up part of your work and this is the sum thereof , that part which i have numbred viz. your lyes and false reproaches against the quakers , is a corrupted grain ; yea , and of babylons treasure too . i am not ashamed of my words , though thou would defend your worke by saying , your discourse was of the birth righteousnesse , death , blood , &c. and of the second coming of the son of mary , &c. to which i say , these things and the knowledge of them , by the spirit of god , is not counted by me corrupted nor of babylon , though now i answer as in my last , the words i own , but thy voice i deny , and knowes it to be the voice of the stranger , and for this saying , ha i not , nor never shall have any burthen upon my conscien●e , ( though thou would say it ) but 't is cleared in the sight of god , even though i say all that thou speakest ▪ i deny , or thy speaking of any thing of the kingdome of god ; with thy lying spirit . and whereas thou art offended , that i should say you are described to be the flock of ishmaell , and of the seed of cain , whose line reacheth to the murdering preists , &c. and thou saist , i am very sensorious , and utterest many words without knowledge , &c. reply , yea , your words doth describe your nature , for by your voice i know you , to be none of christs sheepe , and accordingly i judge , in just judgement , and in true knowledge , and doe not falfly sensure , nor utter words void of knowledge , and my words shall be witnessed by you in the day of the lord : envy is of cains nature and seed , and in that you are , and lyars are of ishmaels stock , and you are guilty of that , let the sober reader try ; and you are among the murdering preists party , and close joyned to them , in doctrin and practise especially in writing against us . now no wrong have i done you , that thou needest to be troubled , and seekes to cover your selves by thy faire words in thy answer as if you were righteous , but all will not hide you , your works make you manifest to be no lesse then what i have said of you . then farther thou art hot against me , in that i say , you are found enemies to christ , revealed in his saints , and this thou hast noted it in the margent for false , but thou dost not well to be angry ; it is true , what i have spoken , thy own words doe prove it , in saying there was nothing in thee , to be taken notice of ; this was a denying of christ within , and such as deny him are found enemies to him within , so the lye is thy own , who hast denyed truth , let the wise reader judge , and thy many words in a pretending answer will not cover you from the guilt of what i have charged upon you and not falsly , and what i have said hitherto is true , and not false , though thou fainingly say , thou marvels i should be so over-seen , as to utter so many false things in so little a space ; nay , my understanding was open , when i wrote forth that book , at which thou art so tormented , that it hath caused thee some months travellin anguish to cleare thy selfe , and yet cannot be at rest , and thou art over-seen who resists the reproofe of thy wickednesse . then thou goes about to justify thy brother burtons words , who wickedly laid it down , as thou immpudently goest to justify it , who joyned in his accusation , and slanders quakers with ranters , and this would thou justify we are one , against my just answer , which denyed them in the fourth page of my first where i said , between quakers and ranters there is no more union &c. then betwixt light and darknesse , good & evil , and that answer stands untouched by thee , and is true , and in justifying john burtons wicked slander , thou art more wicked in comparing the principles , and saist it will appeare they agree in one &c. but what a wicked course hast thou taken to clear him , by adding thy own wickednesse , let all consider that reads , for doe not i desire in plainnesse in my first , in these words , if thou dare lay * the charge only upon the quakers , write in plainesse , and bring testimony of thy accusation , and thou may receive a farther answer but not a word in plain answer , to this is returned , though soberly desired , neither time nor place , nor witnesses evidenced to clear your selves , of your first slanders , which had been more honest , then to have slandered , afresh passing over your first , but it seemes you cannot cleare your selves in honesty , and so fulfill your wickednesse by adding to your lyes and slanders , as thou impudently doth in thy comparing the principles of the ranters with the quakers . and to save thy brother from shame & guilt , thou art fallen thy self into the snare , & justly may be judged , to exceed him in wickednesse ; and thou saist , ( with shame to thy selfe , i repeat it ) that the * quakers will not own christ without them , but thou brings not testimony of this asserion , til then , be thou reckoned , and shall be plauged for a lyar , which will be for ever for we own him as he is ascended far above all heavens who fills all things , yea and without us too , so that instead of proving the first false accusation , thou adds another slander and the * second thing wherein thou compares them , is unsound for though we witnesse , ( yea thousands ) yet we need no man to teach us , but as the anointing with in us , as the saints did 1 john , yet we cry not down the ministry of god , but ownes it , and cryes down such by whom people cannot come to the knowledge of the truth , though they be ever learning , who preaches for hire and goes for gifts and rewards , and loves the wages of unrighteousnesse , and this was the apostles doctrin , as it was ours , and is no heresie ( though thou may so judge it ) for we say by the same spirit as the apostles did , they that are of god heareth us who are in the truth , which is but one , and there is not another ; and the apostles which witnessed the saints needed no man to teach them , did exhort them , and yet did not condemn principles by practice . then thou goes on , and sayes the ranters are not for baptisme , and breaking of bread , and are not the quakers the same ? but what doth this prove , and thou saist , the ranters are without sin , and how farre short of this opinion are the quakers , and the ranters would not own the resurrection , &c. and how say you , doe you believe the very bodies shall rise , &c. reply , friend this is farre short of proving these things upon us , by querieing them to us , let the reader consider : but it may be impudency hath not so wholy eaten out honesty in thee , as that thou dare charge us wholy with these things , but would intrude into us by thy questions , as though the thing were so indeed , but thou may be ashamed of thy worke , is this sufficient proofe of evill against us , to aske us whether it be so ? what hast thou proved in all this against us ( if we were guilty ) thinkest thou we will accuse our selves , this is absurdity , and wickednesse in thee , falsly to charge us , and to bring no better evidence , but thy bare words ; and as we deny the ranters , so doe we thee , and sees you both to be enemies to the life of god : but thy last and cheife proofe ( as thou thinkest ) that we are one is that the ranters are sinners , and the quakers are lyars , the first i will not vindicate , but this last is disputable , and thy proofe of it is first thou saist , from what thou hast said already , to some pages of my first booke , to which i have replyed , and leaves it to the reader , only doth say , thou hast not yet proved one lye against me in the sight of god not men , thou art the lyar if thou say thou hast and honest men shall be judge betwixt us : and thy second proofe is more to the discovering of thy ignorance then yet hath been , and to clear thy selfe from my * charge against thee ( viz. ) to be a wrester of the scripture , which yet i stand to , thou art fallen into grievious error ; my first charge is true upon thee , that thou perverted or wrested that scripture ; rev. 13. 18. in saying the lamb was slain before the foundation of the world ; for that scripture saith since , or from the foundation of the world , hast thou no more sence , art thou and all thy company so ignorant that you know not betwixt before and since a time , how are you blinded , and yet persists in your wickednesse , and will not be reproved , therefore this is a double iniquity in thee , to thy shame remember it , for i have said true , though thou understand it not * there is as much difference , betwixt before , and since in that thing , as betwixt a lye and truth , for to say the blood was shed before the foundation of the world , as thou dost is a very lye but to say it was shed since or from , is truth , and that scripture is truth , rev. 13. and thou art the lyar , & wrester of it & i have not wronged thee in my first , though thou impudently and ignorantly would clear thy selfe , and lay iniquity upon me , but further to clear thy selfe thou saist , thou said , in gods account it was shed , before the world was : and this is little lesse then blasphemy , what , is god a hypocrite like thy selfe ? to account that for truth , which is a lye as i have proved , o horrid error and perfect blindnesse ! but this wil not cover thee , nor thy shame , from the eye of men , where is thy proofe for such a doctrine , that god accounts that which is a lye for truth ? largely is manifest thy folly ; repent if thy heart be not void of shame , for what thou hast spoken herein ; and let the reader understand this difference , thou saist the blood of christ , was shed before the foundation of the world , according to that scripture , rev. 13. i say thou perverts the scripture , and lyest grosly in the maine thing it selfe , and saith it is since , or from the foundation of the world ; let the honest judge , and now it is seen , the lye rests upon thy own head ; who wrests the scripture ; and belyes the lord , and me , and goes on in thy wickednesse after reproofe , and take thou the ranters , they are thy companinons , in lying and sinning , and not ours . and further thou art offended that i should say , and would faine reckon it for a lye , that all thy worke is a secret smiting , and an obscure shooting against the manifestation of christ within , which words i own to be truth concerning these , and am not ashamed of them , though thou say , i say falsly , and when the booke of thy conscience is opened , thou shalt confesse it , only i leave * this to be consideredseriously and judged by them who are spirituall , and they shall be my witnesses , and the lye is of thee and thy father , whose wickednesse is sufficiently seen by what is said , if i should say no more ; again thou saist it is an untruth of thee , to say thou art one of those that doe preach for hire , through covetuousnesse making merchandize of soules , my words are not so laid down , thou hast rested them for thy purpose , though it availes nothing : but i said thou art in their steps , that through covetuousnesse with fained words , makes merchandize of soules and thou art found among them that preaches for hier , and i have spoken the truth herein , let the light in all consciences judge , who are not seared in many things , i might instance that thou art in their steps , and among them that act such things as further may be proved , and the wisedome of god so fore saw , to keep me clear and my words to be defended , though i expected no lesse from thee , as to this thing , then is come to passe , but the lye is of thy selfe , who would deny the * truth ; the next thing that thou wilt charge upon me to be a lye , i passe , here the reader may expect it in its place , and though thou say the ranters and i and my fellowes are of the same mind in many things &c. to which i reply , their practices i deny , and the ground in which they stand and their false doctrines yet dare we not deny any truth as it is in christ ; though they , as thou may professe it in words , which is seldome they doe , for we have respect unto the truth , for the truths sake only , but how uncharitable art thou in thy measure and judgement : consider , as if he should say , j. bunion is of the same mind with the pope in many things ; the pope holds christ was born of mary , and was crucified and raised again , and ascended , &c. and this holds john bunion , and is of the same minde with the pope in many things ; and therefore must partake of the same plagues with the pope as thou said of us , though thou hast by unequall measure thus judged us , yet i render not evil for evil , but in love to thy soule , shewes thee thy folly and weaknesse . then thou goes on having passed by the two * slanders cast upan us , by john burton , in your first booke which i charged you withall in mine to which not one word as to evidence your slanders but hath slipped it over as a foule guilty man , which charge stands upon you both ; that you are slanderers herein , and my first answer i am not ashamed of , though you snarle much about it , and would taint it or undermine it : but thy subtilty is to weake , truth confounds thee and thy simplicitie , which is that we prise the lord jesus christ , god man to be precious unto us , and hath owned him alone to be the foundation whom god hath lyed , and in his light we are saved , &c. as i said in page 7. against which words thou canst not justly except , nor yet prove the contrary and yet as a man that loves to heare thy owne tongue , thou layes down many things impertinent as to the cause in hand . but it had been more honest to have helped thy brother burton , from under my true charge and cleared the truth if thou had been able , but thou hast left him in the dirt under the charge of a slanderer ; and art unfaithfull to him , and goes about to inquire what it is ( as thou saist ) to lay christ for a foundation ; thou confesses what i have said is fairly spoken , and yet thy envious minde and unbelieving heart seemes to be offended at my words , and to them that can believe i speake plainly , and doth not bege thy beliefe , nor any maes , but commends my selfe to every mans conscience in the fight of god , and knowes no other jesus , nor saviour , nor foundation , then he that john was sent to prepare the way before , who was , and is , and is to come ; who said i am the light of the world , and now my words are defended to be truth in the fight of them that are spirituall ; and thou and such may heare ▪ but must not understand , who have hardened your hearts least you should believe , and therefare is given up to gainsayings , till the wrath of god breake out against you ; and let john burton remember my words , where i said he is fallen into the pit which he digged for another , and he undervalues the lord jesus ▪ whose doctrine is to speake truth , but he hath lyed and slandered and so is out of christ the foundation , and undervalues him , who keepes not his sayings , but is a worker in darknesse , and not in the light : and as to that where i say , thus much is the mind of the penmans spirit , ( of the first epistle of the first booke ) secretly smiting at the doctrine of true faith and salvation ( to wit ) christ within , i have said the truth in righteousnesse , and doe own my words though thou say i have done him a great deale of wrong , &c. but i leave it to be judged by them that are spirituall , and not unto thee , to give false meaning of my words , and doth not he say in that epistle of some that have been depending too much upon some thing they call christ , and the rigteousnesse of christ within them , &c. let the wise in heart judge , whether this be not as i have said , even a secret smiting against christ within , without which as i have said , there can be no salvation , for he that hath not christ in him , is a reprobate , and this i speake , not in opposition , but as a testimony of christ jesus , that dyed , and rose againe , and ascended , who is within , and without also , and if any preach another jesus , let him be accursed , and repent , who art in the wrong doing thy selfe , falsly charging me ; noting in the margent , with speaking falsly , when i spake the truth , and the false speaking rests at thy doore , and is driven thither with the power of truth . then whereas thou would justify thy former wickednesse , in charging the quakers to be decievers , against my just answer * in page 8. of mine ; which stands free from any of thy vaine arguments , and uncontroled though resisted , but it appeares my words sticks close unto thee ; and torments thee , and that we are deceivers thou saist it will easily appeare with much impudence confidence , thy arguments we shall try . and ( saist thou ) first , the quakers deny the man christ jesus without them , and own christ no other wayes but as he is within , &c. reply , how impudent art thou in forging lye after lye , and building them up in thy worke one upon another , and a wicked course thou takes to clear thy former slanders , truly charged upon thee in my first , even by laying another upon it . friend , by this thy deceitfull flander , while thou hast thought to prove us deceivers , hath proved thy selfe one , even a false accuser , mayst thou not blush to say we own christ no otherwayes , then as he is within ? we own him which was , is , and is to come , who is within us , and without us , as i have said in my first , we own him as the scripture speakes of him , and it is known to the lord , and in his sight we are approved , whether thou be ieve it or not ; for i begg not beleife of thee , but leaves thy double slanders to be read , and judged of , by all honest people , and in the interim , know it is a bad way to prove us deceivers by thy lyes , this the rather is a witnesse to us that we are of god , and against thee , to be of the devil , who was a lyar from the beginning , and thou his child succeeds him ; in lying . thy second proofe is , that we are deceivers , because ( saith thou ) we doe perswade soules that christ is crucified in them , dead within them , kept down with something within them , which was never taught by them that spoke the scriptures , &c. reply , these words are falsly laid downe , but what thinkest thou of such who might crucifie to themselves * a fresh the son of god , and put him to open shame , as it is written , this they could not doe , above starrs , they being men upon the earth , and christ was sent to preach to the spirits in prison , he that can read let him understand this doctrine was preached by them that spoke forth the scriptures , who had the spirit of god , but in b●indnesse i finde thee , and i think so i must leave thee : and doth not feed the serpent , yet my words are plain to him that hath an understanding , and an eare open , and deceiver belongs to thee , and at thy doore it lyes , and thou cannot remove it . farther ( thou saist ) we perswade soules that that man that was borne of the virgin mary , is not above the clouds , and the starres , when as the scripture saith a cloud received him out of their sight . reply , this is another lye , uttered without fear or knowledge , or honesty , we doe not perswade soules to believe any such thing , but beares witnesse to the truth of that scripture , that a cloud received him out of their sight , and we say he is out of their sight and must appeare againe in sight , and this is a wicked way of thee , to prove us deceivers , by slandering us , adding more to thy own sin , and the more will be thy burthen , in the day of the lord when plagues and torment is thy portion , from which thou shalt not flye , though now thou be above shame . farther , ( saist thou ) we perswade soules not to believe that , that man that was crucified , and rose again , &c. shall so come again to judgement , as he went away , and shall raise up men and women out of their graves , and cause them to come into the valley of jehoshaphat , thou saist we strive to beate soules off from believing this , &c. reply , o how swiftly thy lying tongue runs without feare , as though neither god nor man took notice of thee , or that ever thou should be called to question for them , many lyes together thou hast here foulded up in one , thy lyes i deny , and this to be one ; hast thou set thy selfe to tell lyes o abominable wickednesse maist thou not tremble ? when thou considers what thou falsly saist of us contrary to my words , who said in the truth of my heart , we own him to be what the scripture speaks of him and not otherwise ? it seemes thou cannot believe when i speake truth ; i number up thy lyes and returnes them backe to thee to read , and by all this ; is it not true , that thou art of the same spirit with thy fellow , and abounds more in lyes , as i said in my first , his was but about 3 , thine manyfold more , but thy lyes is no testimony against us , that we are deceivers , but they shall lay heavy upon thee at one day , when we shall be cleare , for in the affirmive . i further say that , that christ jesus that was crucified , and rose again , shall come as he went away to judgement , and the dead shall be raised , and every man shall receive according to their deeds , and he shall set to judge the heathen round about , according to joel 3. and thy portion in that day shall be howling and gnashing of teeth , for the lyars portion is the lake . thou saist again the quakers make no difference between that light , wherewith christ as he is god hath enlightned all , and the spirit of christ he gives not to all . reply , i put thee to prove that they are contrary or devided one against the other , for thus christ saith , i will send you the comforter even the spirit of truth , which must needs be the spirit of christ and he shall reprove or convince the world of sin , and of righteousnesse ; now mark that same spirit of the father and of the son , who is the comforter of the saints is the same , and not another that doth reprove the world , he that can read let him understand the world cannot receive the comforter yet have they given to them that which doth reprove them ; which is with the light of christ jesus , of the same , and not contrary nor divided ; if thou hast an ear , thou may heare , the error is in thy selfe who art without understanding . further thou saist , they say that every one hath that which is like the spirit of christ , even as god , as the spirit of christ , which thou saist is desperate blasphemy , and cryes out with an out-cry , o wonderfull deceit ! &c. reply , i would have all to take notice , that thou hast wronged my words , in wresting of them for thy wicked purpose , to have a ground of slander , there is no such words in the tenth page of my book , which thou quoatest , but in one place , i say , till thou prove the light of christ john 1. 9. ( which thou confesses every man hath ) to be contrary to the spirit of christ , ( mark ) i shall say every man hath that which is one in union , and like the spirit of christ , even as good as the spirit of christ , according to its measure ; these words i must own . but let the sober reader take notice how fouly thou hast wronged my words * leaving out the strength of them , to take occasion of slander , when thou had proved the light of christ ( which in john 1. 9. is spoken of ) to be contrary to the spirit of christ , then had been a better season , for this charge against me : o thou impudent and shamelesse man ! so unjustly to deal against the upright , who envies thee not but pitties thee therefore when thou or any man can prove the light of christ spoken of john 1. 9. and john 8. 12. to be contrary to the spirit of christ , then i may own the judgement and charge upon me , but till then thou art proved a lyar ; for the light of christ spoken of john 1. 9. that light is one in union , and not contrary , and is of the likenesse of the spirit of christ , and as * good in its measure , and these words i stand to , to vindicate against all thy lyes , and wresting of words and out-cryes , who is an unfit fellow to judge what blasphemy is , who is so blind that thou knowest not the difference of words , betwixt , before , and from , as i have shewed : repent , if so be thou may find mercy . then further thou saist to cover my selfe and deceit , i doe apply , that which should be to the children of god , &c. and yet cannot reprehend my answer , which is just and saithfull , that the children of god were alwayes counted deceivers , and this is true , as thy selfe confesses but wickedly saith in thy answer , and most lyingly too , and blasphemy is fallen out of thy mouth , the devil knowes how to take childrens bread , and cast it to doggs . reply , now let all consider what thou hast said , christ jesus is the bread of life that came downe from heaven , the childrens bread , and they have no other , now the devil cannot take christ jesus who only is the childrens bread , and give him to doggs , o horrid ! canst thou behold this , and not be smitten to the heart , what wickednesse and ignorance lodges in that heart that can utter those things ; though thou think , thou hast done bravely in thus saying , yet the wisedome of god turnes thy words upon thy own head into confusion and grievious error , i deny it though thou affirme it , that the devil can take , or knowes how to take christ jesus and give him to doggs . further thou saist , i am grieved , that thou shouldest say none but a company of notionist and ranters , &c. are carried with the quakers , &c. and saist thou , this appears in all mens sight , &c. reply , thou art a lyar , i am not greived at thy flanders and wicked reproaches , but rather rejoyces therein , that i am one worthy to beare them , and all men that can see , sees thee a false accuser herein , for such who have feared the lord , and served him , and are , and have been honest and upright to god and man , have owned us , and have been neither ranters nor such like ; and we rejoyce , if any that hath been so , be turned from it unto god , to live in righteousnesse though thou note it for a false thing in the margent . ( but to make it appear false thou hast corrupted my words ) which are though some of all sorts of people be brought to god , yet thou * seems to be offended herewith , and these my words are true upon thy head , for i aske not withstanding some were such , are they such who are in wickednesse , since they owned us ? then why dost thou wickedly ( as though thou wert offended at it ) upraides us , that such , or such are carried away with us , as though none else which is thy lye uttered in thy hastinesse . and whereas thou art offended , ( thou saist ) that i should say thou art like the pharisees , whether i spake so or no , how ever i own that thou art like them ( at least ) even one among them . as further i shall manifest , then thou hast over-leapt ( with a false excuse of passing by many railings as thou saist ) which it seemes troubles thee that i should truly * charge thee to bring forth lyes without feare , and that the ranters and light notionists , and thee we deny , till you to turne to the lord by repentance , and if you turne from your iniquity we dare not deny you . and further i truly charge thee , that thou art puft up in thy lyes and slanders , and advanceth thy selfe above the innocent , who exceeds thee in faith towards god , and in good workes towards man , and whose conversation is in heaven , but thine is among the hirelings , &c. and this thou hast skipped over , as a deceitfull child , with a poore excuse , which thou may be ashamed to call these railings , but that thy heart is void of shame , let the sober reader judge else , then thou saist i stumble at that , wherein in thy first thou said the devil perswades these men to believe , first , that salvation was not compleatly wrought out for sinners by the man christ jesus , &c. reply , here thou art a lyar again , i stumble not , for i walk in the light and doth not stumble , but i reproved thy lye , and slander , and said this accusation is clearly false wickedly cast upon us , for there is no salvation in any other , neither is it wrought by any other , but by jesus christ , &c. as page the 9 of my first may be read , but thou hast not at all removed , the true charge against thee , that i charged upon thee , upon these words ( viz. ) a believer of lyes , a slanderer , a false accuser , which stands true upon thee still , and will for ever till thou remove it by repentance , for thou canst never clear thy selfe any other wayes , and thou saist i have left some words out , but this is but a poore catch , for doe i not make an et caettera at the end of thy words , and if thou wert not too ignorant , thou mightest understand that which followes is included and conjoyned . then thou goest on , and saist i am offended that thou should say the devil deceives soules by bidding them follow the light that they brought into the world with them , telling them that will lead into the kingdome &c. now my answer to this is sober , and just * as will appeare , though thou say vainly , i seem to be gravelled , because i informed thy mistake , who said pervertingly either in subtilty or for want of wit , the light which they brought into the world with them ; when as the scripture saith , christ is the light which lighteth every man that comes into the world , joh. 1. 9. which light as i did i doe affirme , will lead into the kingdome of peace and rest , and deny it if thou canst , for the light of christ , doth reveale christ , and the light lighteth every man that cometh into the world , then thou heapes up many words though thou falsly say , i corrupt that scripture ja. 8. yet i lay it down in its own words , and saith , that is or was the true light , that lights every man that comes into the world , and that light ( which hath so done ) will lead all that believes into the kingdome , for christ saith i am the light of the world , and though thou ignorantly would seem to say this is error , yet i affirme it that h● , the same which saith i am the light of the world , is he , and no other , which lighteth every man that comes into the world and this i suppose thou wilt call a filthy error , but the filthinesse is in thy owne heart and error too , through ignorance of the knowledge of the things of god , who would faine ( if thou could ) make it appear , that that christ which lighteth every man that comes into the world , john 1. 9. is not the same that saith i am the light of the world , john 8. 12. thy confused words seems to carry this meaning , let the reader judge , whether that be not the same christ jesus , which john speaks of ; jobn 1. 9 as it is written of john 8. 12. and though thou ignorantly say i would have roome to broach my folly , yet thou lets out of thy vessel insides of leaves , of lyes slanders and folly and thou saist , when he said i am the light of the world , he was without he did not meane any light within , and thou presumptuously bids me deny this if i can , to which i say , the same christ , which said i am the light of the world , was he which was before abraham , who was a light to the gentiles , and lighteth every man in the world ; yea , he was and is given to be a light , where his person ( which was supposed the son of joseph ) never came , and doe thou deny this if thou can that all men may see thy folly , for there is not many christs , but one christ , which is not only within but without , not only without , but within , but is all and in all , let him that reads understand . then thou saist , the light wherewith christ , as he is god , lighted every one , is the soule of man , which is the life of the body , and is a creature and hath one faculty of its owne nature called conscience . reply , now le ts try this doctrine and consider what thou hast said , it amounts to thus much that conscience is of the nature of the soule of man ▪ and the soule is the light of christ , as god . therefore thou hast said the conscience is the light of god which must needs be without sin , this is more then i have or dare say , i might here fitly ask thee , if thou knowe what the word conscience signifies , in true understanding , and yet though thou hast uttered this that conscience is a faculty of the soule , which thou saist is the light of christ as god , which light of god must needs be of the nature of god pure and not impure , yet in the next page thou saist , conscience is a poore dunghill , creature in comparison of the spirit , &c. and in another page calls conscience poore , soe empty beggerly things , &c. what now john bunion ; is that which thou hast concluded to be the light of god , but a dunghill creature and loe , and empty and beggerly in comparison &c. for shame cease such divinity , least all thy fellowes reproove thee ; o how doth thy ignorant zeale lead thee into snares and trape thy owne feet conscience which thou saist is the light of god , is nature it selfe ▪ then it must needs be that every mans nature ( which is sinfull say i ) is the light of god , o what horrible doctrine this proves in its explanation ! blush , and be ashamed when thou considers ; then thou cryes out in reproofe ; o wonderfull sayes thou , that men should make a god and christ of their consciences ! i know none that doth it , nor that ever spoke so highly of conscience , as thou hast here done , yet we say our consciences beares us witnesse in the holy ghost , and this is our rejoycing , the testimony of our consciences ; and if our consciences condemn us not , then have we confidence towards god , and yet makes not god and christ of our conscience , as thou secretly would charge us withall ; then thou goes on and would seeme to prove but cannot , that something besides the light of christ convinceth of sin , but thy reach is too short , though thou wind abroad , and lets thy thoughts into the pit of thy owne reason , to bring up a thing to confound truth , but cannot ; for this is thy proofe , where they were all convinced by their owne consciences jo. 8. now all these i say were men come into the world , and therefore according to jo. 1. 9. were lighted with the light of christ , and thou hast confessed that conscience is the light of christ as god ; which is no lesse then i have affirmed , then wherefore hast thou waded so farr , when at the end thou art forced to confesse my position , thy words being explained , that it is the light of christ that doth convince of sin , and can find no other thing besides that , then thou saist , here is something besides the spirit of christ that doth convince of sin &c. but yet i say , nothing besides the light of christ , as thou hast confessed , and that was that only which i affirmed in the 10 page of mine ▪ about which thou hast made all this stir and to no purpose , ( as to prove any thing convinceth of sin but the light of christ ) and in that i said he that convinceth of sin against the law leads up into the fulfilling of the law , which still i own , though the world would contradict it but cannot , and i clearly see thou hast not reached the understanding of my words , but answere●●hy owne conceiving and not my words , for i doe not say or thinke that righteousnesse comes by the law , yet that is righteousnesse , which condemneth that which breaks the law , if thou hast an eare thou may heare , and as i said it is the word of truth , the righteousnesse of the law must needs be fulfilled in judgement , upon you all , and by christ jesus in you , if ever you receive the salvation to your soules , and thou hast not yet learned what i mean , and though thou say that for justification , thou lookes beyond the law to the sonne of mary ; but i say thou must not look beyond it for condemnation ; who are in transgression , and not reconciled to god , through condemnation in the flesh , for it will reach you to condemnation , and thou saist , thou understands that i doe in all my disoourse disowne christ without , by pretending to a christ within , to which i say thy understanding deceives thee , who , it may be feared , blinds thy owne eyes ; that thy conscience may not condemn thee for slandering , but while i am approved in the sight of god , of those things whereof thou accuses me falsly , and wickedly , i matter nothing what a lyers judgement is of mee , my answer to thy 6 query shall prove me clear , and thee a lyer herein , that we own gods christ as the scripture deelares of him as i have said , and the darknesse of my words is to blinde the eye of subtilty , and not to deceive the hearts of the simple , ( though thou would say it ) see if thou now can tell what i say . and whereas thou art offended that i say many more things in thy booke i passe by , as being not pertinent to the thing in hand , my words are true , for the thing in hand was proving us decievers , and that was the most of that i medled withall , or ●urposed to oppose ; and to other things that thou speakest of in short , my answer was , and is the words ( or some of them ) i own , and thy voice i deny without any blaspheming or error , in the view of all the world ( though thou would say it ) for whatsoever a lying spirit speaks , i deny it to be the voice of christ , though it may be some of his words and thy spirit is a lying i pirt ; & though thou be offended that i should say fooles loves to be medling ; yet its true enough , is not he a foole who is alyer and a slanderer , ●●at understands not betwixt before a time , and since a time , judged in thy own conscience , and thy faire words , as that it must needs be ( saist thou ) that the saints of god must be called foolos , &c. i say neved presume the name of saint , but clear thy selfe of thy lyes and slanders , and perverting scriptures , and learne the first principle of religion , even that which condemns thee . and as to that which i say is true , that the pope can speake as much of christ without as thou , i own it , and may add ; i beleeve he can speake more then thou of christ without , and with as good or better understanding ; though both a like sar from the kingdom of god ; yet in thy answer , thou askes me if i put no difference betwixt the speaking of ; and beleeving in christ without ; yea , i doe a great deale for he that beleeves in in him hath the witnesse in himselfe of him , and his heart is purifyed , and he is a new creature , which thou art not , but thou i suppose would be reckoned a believer , for i think the pope hath both more words , and more good workes and makes as much conscience of lying and false accusing as thou , for ought as may be understood , of a tree by the fruites , which is our way to judge as christ hath given us example ; then in that i said thou hast answered thy selfe a question deceitfull , thou art offended , and boasts thy selfe against me , charging me to be an enemy to the truth , and the like , in that i did not manifest thy deceit ; but now i shall , therefore to stop thy proud boasts in that answer thou calls it a sad doctrin which saith , follow the light which christ hath enligh ned every man withall , and other such like things following that question which are deceitfull , and wicked , and thou thereby is proved the enemy to truth thy selfe , and thou and thy words are both deceitfull and therefore boast not thy self : then thou answers my question which was , doth not the scripture witnesse that all who have not christ within are reprobates ; the question is sound , and of worth to be noted , and in thy answere thou sayes , yes it is true , to which i soberly reply , then what a condition are all in , that hath not christ within , nor no knowledge of him , but what they have of him as he is without , by the letter without doe thou consider this ; and whether it be not of the cheifest prize to life and salvation , to waite for him , and seeke for him within , seeing all that have not him within are reprobates . but farther thou would seeme to manifest a great deale of folly in me when all the folly lyes in thy own bosome , and by thy confused words , i understand , thou grounds thy answere upon a lye , and false understanding , and therefore brings thy false reproofe , as if i should hold forth that every man hath received christ or the spirit of christ in him . this i have never said , but that every man hath the light of christ given him which i say is one in union , with the spirit of christ ; and i say christ is given to all , but all receives him not and i see thou understands not my former words that i write in answer to one of thy queries thou cannot distinguish betwixt a thing being given of god , & a thing being received by man , so that the folly is fallen back , on thee take it who understands not my words but opposes thy own conceivings and false understanding and though i might more truly apply this word folly in that extent , then thou applyed the like word to thy selfe in this same page , yet i leave it to the judgement of the serious reader , and sayes thy folly is want of wit in the world , and not for christs sake , then thou would defend thy first wickednesse , in that thou said the devill deceives soules by perswading them to follow the light within , which all men have , but my answer to it thou hast not reached , in that i sayd , he that comes to life eternall must follow the light within which christ hath given , which stands over thy head for ever to be truth , but yet how blind art thou in confessing the light within , even conscience is the light of christ as god , and it sayeth the devil deceives soules by bidding follow the light within . o abominable doctrine ! what doth the devil deceive souls by bidding follow the light of christ as god ? so john bunnions doctrine is , let it be noted ; now see thou thy folly how it is manifest , and thy pittyfull evasions are weighed , instead of contradicting my former sufficient answer , which thou could no way reach to wrest , or otherwise to answer it , askes a question , which i may answer as soon as thou hast sufficiently replyed to my former answer and this is in part an answer to it , it is herisie to say that the light of god ( any light of god or christ ) can or doth deceive the soule , and though thou stumble at it , i said well in saying that thy whole purpose is a secret smiting against the light within , let the reader judge ▪ and now to manifest thy ignorance fuly ; thou hast confessed the light within even conscience is the light of god ; hast not thou cause to repent of these absurdityes and blindnesse who holds forth that the devil deceives soules by the light of god , seeing thou can find no light within man but that which thou confesses . then thou sayes , thy whole designe was first to shew soules where salvation is to be had , namely in christ without , and yet hath confessed all that hath him not within are reprobates , and such have not salvation by him without ; consider therefore without christ within no salvation , as i have said , and thou hast confessed it , ( mark it ) then to cleare thy selfe from contradiction which i charged thee with , thou would cast a confusion upon me , in that thou sayes , i would make a defiled conscience , the law and spirit of christ to be all one , this is falsly spoken , i have never said nor thought that a defiled conscience is the law and spirit of christ a lyar thou art to be noted , and this lye adds to the number and yet consider thou hast said ( severall times ) that conscience is the light of christ , as god ; and now calls conscience defiled , is the light of god defiled ? j●hn bunion saith so , o horrid ! read thou thy confusion and grievious error which is brought to thy doore , and there i leave it ; thou may blush and all thy witnesse at this ; and in that thou calls my answer scoulding , against thy epistle , and presumptuously saist , the truth of which thou could be willing to seale with thy blood . reply , scoulding i deny , but i have reprooved thy lyes in the authority of the lord , and be not so proudly puft up in boasting : what sayes thou ? shall thy blood goe for this that the quakers are deceivers and that the devill deceives soules by bidding them follow the light within wich thou saist is conscience , which thou confesses is the light of god , & that the blood of christ was shed before the world was , and that the scripture say so , and that we deny that salvation was compleatly wrought by the man christ jesus , with severall other things noted for lyes ; what sayes thou john buniot ? art thou so desparate as that thou wilt hazard thy blood upon this account ? if it be so , sure the devil hath great power over thee ; cease thy boasting least the lord make thee an example , and though thou would exhort me , thy spirit i deny , and so thy words i judge , and cannot receive good from an evil spirit ; then thou comes on falling on thy own foule ignorance againe , and would faine clear thy selfe , but by thy stirring thy owne wickednesse herein , thou makes it cast an odious sight to all that passe by , ( we may follow thee a little , seeing thou art not yet weary ) and faine would thou make it appear that the blood of christ was shed before the world was ; & saist it was in gods account , but to this i have spoken and largely shewed thy blindnesse to all men , and adds this upon thy head , thou art a lyar and perverter of scripture to say that the blood of christ was shed before the world was . and further thou art a lyar , to say that god accounts a thing for truth which is a lye , a sad error and wicked . and further thou art a lyer , to say that i corrupt thy words , for i had not laid open thy nakednesse so fully , if thou had not persisted in thy blindesse , as now i am forced to doe , but enough of this and more then ever thou canst clear thy selfe of honestly , and yet to cover thy owne shame charges me falsly with folly to speake evill of things i know not , or else with madnesse , &c. reply , friend be not so confident , i know the difference betwixt , before , and since , or from , and know that god accounts not a lye for truth ( as thou holds out ) thy own folly and madnesse , behold , who commits iniquity , in lying on the scripture , and on god , and on me , and yet persists after a sober reproof , and resists the reprover with opprobrious words , let confusion of face cover thy impudent forehead , while i forgive thee and seekes not vengeance against thee , then through thy mistake of my words , thou hast falsly gathered a subject to oppose , and fights with thy own understanding mightily , and thinkes thou confounds me , and it s thy selfe ▪ for however thou understands my words , either for want of wit , or otherwise , it never entred into my thoughts , with charging thee to believe that christ is a tipe , only i charge thee that thou said so of others , so that i thinke this is a mistake in thee for want of knowledge to understand my rehersall of thy words , being transcribed at the shortest , not to fill volumes , and through thy owne misunderstanding of my laying downe the words , thou heavily yet vainly charges me with corrupting thy words , which god is my witnesse i have not done , though thou be guilty herein . but further , i deale plainly , and slanders not in secret , as thou dost , we doe not look on christ to be but a shadow and tipe , if thou affirme i shall answer further , and as to that ( thou saist ) i say jesus is the substance of that answer to i stand though thou say , thou doubts i doe not speake plainly , &c. reply , as i have said i seek not a proofe of my faith of thee , nor any man , nor doe i begg thy beliefe , while i am approved in the sight of god , herein i matter not what a lying spirit doubts of me , so that what vain arguments , or queries thou raises from thy owne false doubt i passe by , being by the present thing branching out in things on the by , if i should examine every particular , i might fill a vollume . and whereas thou hast answered my question , which is ; did christ put an end to the law for them , who yet live in the transgression of the law , or doth he justifie that which the law condemns , before the worke of the law be finished ? in thy answer thou saist , christ did put an end to the law for righteousnesse , for all that the father hath given him , this is little to the question : i say that transgressors of the law are not christs but children of disobedience , and children of wrath , and such god hath not given to christ , who are his enemies , nor christ to them is not given , but to condemne them in that estate and thou saist there is many given to christ , who yet lives in their sins , the apostle john saith , he that sins is of the devil , and hath not known god , and such as are of the devill are not christs , and in that i said doth christ justifie that which the law condemns before the worke of the law be finished , and not one tittle of the law shall faile , till all be fulfilled , thou hast not reached the understanding of my words , for while disobedience stands & the transgressor lives , the work of the law is not finished nor fulfilled , but to that is condemnation and not justification , if thou hast an ear thou maist heare , for he that transgresseth the law is an enemy to christ , and christ fulfills not the law for his enemies they must beare their own burthen , and though this thou cannot understand now , yet in the day of judgement shalt thou feele it , and when the burthen of thy own iniquity is upon thee , then shalt thou confesse to what i have said , and read me in what now thou canst not understand , and in the meane time i deny that christ hath put an end to the law for thee , who art a lyer , and breaks one , and so is guilty of all . many of thy words might be weighed and searched , but i am no picker of quarrells , but to my last query , thou saist little to the purpose , which is ; what assurance have any , that the law is fulfilled for them , who are yet transgressors of it , in themselves ? but saist , assurance comes through believing and obedience to the law is a fruit of believing , &c. saying every one that hath the hope of the son of god purifies himselfe as he ( christ ) is pure . reply , then he that hath not the fruit , ( viz. ) obedience to the law , we may judge by the fruit , or for want of fruit is no believer ; and he that is not purifyed as he is pure ( christ ) hath not the hope of being the son of god , but is without hope , now see where thou art , why it breaks the law , and is without ( thy owne noted ) fruit of believing neither is purifyed as he is pure , and so is without hope , this is according to thy own affirmation , if thou cannot beare it blame thy selfe for laying downe such a position , as hath proved thy selfe to be an unbeliever and without hope ; and so without god in the world ; one that is for condemnation , and to be judged into the state where now thou stands . and whereas thou saist , i would lay assurance on obedience to the law . thou lyest in this also , my words are , the law must be fulfilled in you by christ , in judgement and in righteousnesse , if ever you receive salvation ▪ and these words are true against all thy opposition , neither doe i affirme that by the deeds of the law any flesh living shall be justified ( but the contrary ) though thou would falsly ( yet secretly ) cast it upon me , and wickedly calls this my frothy argument , where i said the law convinceth and is a school-master to bring to christ , &c. but the froth proceeds out of thy mouth , for this argument comprehends thee , and stands out of thy reach for all thy detestable speeches against me , and the truth , and the rest of my following words thou hast passed by , where i say , who ownes not that which convinceth of sin , how can they own him that takes it away by his blood ? and this is truth , and tell me in justnesse according to my first query in that page , how is sin taken away from thee , more then from the pope , seeing neither of you hath the fruit of ceasing to commit sin , and art not thou in the froth , who opposes me as though ( i should say yet never did nor thought ) that justification must be sought by the deeds of the law and so gathers a false conception , and fights with it , and keeps thy self doing in 9 sheets against 4 and yet hath passed over many speciall things , almost the chiefest , and though no flesh shall be justified by the deeds of the law , yet must all flesh living be condemned for the transgression of the law by christ , who freely gives life to all that believes , if thou hast an eare thou may heare ; in the next thou seems ( or would at least ) to defend thy selfe from my charge which shall ( if it doth not ) ley heavie upon thee , which is that i call thee slanderer , and truly too , from thy words where thou falsly accused the quakers with boasting , and hipocrisy , and in thy answer thou saist , i need not be offended , for thou dost not know our fellow for boasting in that ( thou saist ) we cry up our selves and condemn all others , &c. but this is no proofe of the former accusation but an addition to thy former wickednesse , let honest men consider i asked thee when thou did heare any of them boast or see them live in hipocrisy , but not a word to this sober desire , but adds sin to sin a bad way to cleare thy selfe and thy god ; be ashamed , crying up selfe , we deny , but yet must say or else say falsly that we are of god and the whole world lyes in wickednesse , and he that is of god heareth us , and is one with us and this is as the saints testified , and is neither boasting nor hipocrisy , then to my question which was , will that faith which is without works justifie , and thou saist no , & c , then i reply , what is thy condition and theirs , who are not only without works of faith ; but in the very works of darknesse , as lying and salfe accusing , &c. and seeing thou saist no , consider , whether thou have faith and whether thy works which are like good workes proceed not from the unbeleiving ground , and this i adde to my next i asked which thou hast passed by , must not every one receive according to their deeds , in the day of judgement , and then thou runs out in high words against me , in that i said , if to talke of him ( christ ) his birth , blood , &c. were faith in him , and living by faith , then few would want it ; and further i add the pope himselfe would have it , and my words are just and honest , without exception or contradiction , but only that something thou must needs say ; though thou say many can talk of christ , that will fall short of heaven , &c. and askes me a question , and saist is there not enough in them , ( viz. ) birth blood , &c. to justifie , &c. i answer the knowledge of all things whatsoever without , will not justifie , except christ be within , and if he be within , the power of his life , blood , birth , &c. is known and received and felt , and in this i preach , not any other gospel then the apostles , who said , say not who shall ascend or descend to fetch him , ( mark ) but it saith it , the word of faith ( or of the gospel ) which are not devided , is nigh thee in thy mouth , and in thy heart , and thou falsly againe charges the quakers with corrupting , ( and beguiling many ) by those scriptures . reply , beguiling is thy owne , and corrupting of scriptures too , as is proved , and while thou accuses us falsly in these things , thy selfe art proved truly guilty , in the sight of all that are spirituall , and as to thy charging me that the man christ jesus is not very pleasant to me , and with scoulding , &c. thy slanders i beare with patience , and thy reproaches which is not for evil but for christs sake , who dyed at jerusalem , and is revealed in me , and for shame cease to say thou art ruled by scripture , a lyer , and slanderer , and perverter of scriptures , is not led with the spirit that gave forth the scripture but is ruled by the devil , and is out of scripture rule , then thou goes on and would justifie thy ignorant saying , how are they deceived who owne cbrist ; no otherwise then as he was before the world began , &c. and my * answer to it thou hast not touched nor truly contradicted which stands over thee and is sufficient to all honest people , and christ we owne the same yesterday to day and for ever ; and doth believe the father granted that request , and he is glorified with the same glory that he had before the world was , and though thou tell me of a double meaning yet in plainnesse i speake without doublenesse the fault is in thy weaknesse , and sottishnesse , and blindnesse of heart , who knowes not that which is infinite and immortall , and eternall the flesh of christs body is so . then thou falsly charges me again ( in that i said ) if every spirit be of god which doth in words confesse thus ( viz. ) that christ was with the father before the world was ( was borne and suffered in the flesh and was buried and raised , &c. ) then is not the pope himselfe antichrist , &c. as ( in my 14. page ) which putting on a vaile and ventering upon thy words . but i have spoken the truth herein let that in thy conscience answer in nakednesse without a vaile , the vaile is on thy heart , and thou cannot understand me , and so this is thy simple policy to say the vaile is on me , and what of that if i ventred on it , it is but in the feare of god , though i should say i deny all that thou saist , or the speaking of any thing , for i doe not own thy voice , though some of thy words be true , and though thou speake words of truth , yet therefore i reprove thee , and sometimes may not let it passe for truth , for christ is my example herein , who reproved the devils , though they confessed him , ( mark that ) but the chiefe part of my words are passed over , and read over again and see if it is not truth it selfe , where i said it is not much better nor more accepted to confesse christ in words to become , and yet in works to deny him , then it is both in words and works to deny him , the one is wicked in prophanesse , the other in hipocrisy , the one is a lyar , and the other a false witnesse , and let the honest judge ; then whereas i said christ is a mystery and unto him he is light , and shall be salvation where his person , supposed sonne of joseph , never came ; which words are true , not gain-saied by thee , though thou aske , did he obtain salvation for any without that body which he took of the virgin . answ. that body which was begotten by the holy ghost is not so carnall as thou supposest , and that spirituall rock which followed them saved them , and the same son of god the saviour who was borne a child to them , was the prince of peace , yea , the everlasting father , but thy eye sees not this , and therefore thou saist , heer 's the place where he is not , and the place where he hath not been , ( now thou saist ) thou passes by many things which thou might justly examin , and also many unseemly expressions . o thou deceitfull heart ● and tongue , is this thy excuse when my words are beyond thy reach either to understand or contradict ; thou wants that spirit which can examine of truth , be it knowne unto thee , and what are those unseemly expressions ? wilt thou slander alwayes in secret without evidence ? and if these be they in that i said our innocency will speake when thy black vaile of lyes is taken away , and this is truth , and is no way but seemly to be spoken to thee , who art an enemy of god ; then thou would justifie thy further slander , who said , we wrest that scripture , jo. 1. 9. and my answer is , we take it without adding or diminishing , which is true and no lye , nor wresting of it , neither in thy reply can i find that thou proves it , though many words uttered little to the purpose with adding to thy former slanders , in saying , we would hold that that light is the spirit of christ this is not spoken in all my book , but that it is one in union i say , and not contrary to the spirit of christ , but witnesseth of it and to it . and thou further saith , we say many things which thou knowest to be blasphemy , this is another lye , prove one blasphemy . and further thou saist , christ as he is mediator doth not enlighten every one that comes into the world , &c. reply , well , thy ignorance and wickednesse vents it selfe forth a pace , let any man read that first of john , and see whether he doth not speake of christ as mediator , he saith he was in the beginning with the father , and was made flesh and dwelt with the disciples ; and his life was the light of men , and the light shined in darknesse , and what was he which lighteth every man that comes into the world , and he came to his owne but they received him not , but as many as received him to them he gave power to be the sons of god , &c. what saist thou , was not this spoken of christ as mediator , consider & be instructed rather then let thy blood go for it , however i leave thy doctrin , thy errors herein to be judged by them that are spirituall , and for shame cease such doctrin , the more i rake among the filth , the more vilely and odious it appeares , and for thy proofe of this doctrine , thou brings mat. 11. 25. and saies here the father and the son are speaking one to another , but what doth this prove though it be so , doth it any way follow that john did not speake of christ as mediator , john 1. what vaine productions thou brings from thy impertinent proofes , let them be weighed and taken notice of honestly , and thou bids me understand thus much , that nature which is conscience , is the light of god . i understand thy blindnesse ; if this be so as thou saist , then mans nature is pure without sin , as the light of god is ; and this is error abominable , contrary to the scripture which saith , all by nature are the children of wrath , is all by the light of god ( as thou sayst nature is ) children of wrath ; so thy divinity , and take it as it is truly interpreted , i desire not to wrong thy words , thou gives me to understand the greatest ignorance from those things that lately i have heard , no not the like in england ; and it is very true , as i said thy folly appeares by thy much medling . then thou askes me , what i will have the light called , wherewith every man in the world is lightned , and because i doe not call it the spirit of christ , thou ( as it were ) murmurs ; because i have cut of thy occasion , and thou cannot bend thy tongue with any seeming advantage against the truth ; but in that i say the light of christ convinceth of sin , which is true , thou on a sudden produces thy bad consequences , and askes if i call nature the light of christ , and such like , &c. but they all doe not prove the contrary , so that which convinceth of sin , is worth minding and takeing notice of , by all that ever is saved , and as to that where i say , that which may be known of god was manifest in them even in them that was given up to worke unrighteousnesse , &c. i said the truth which thou art not able to contradict in equity , though thou very ignorantly bend thy answer ( as if i had said ) the knowledge of god was made manifest in them , when i say plainly in my booke that they were turned from the knowledge of god , and yet that which might be known of him was manifest in them , and this thou canst not deny , and though my words as layd down are not in the scripture words in terms , yet have not i said falsly herein , and doe not be a prover of that which thou cannot thy selfe deny , then thou saist , how feeble an argument is this to prove , that every one hath the spirit , &c. reply , thou blind man , did i goe about to prove any such thing or make any argument thereupon ; we are about the light which christ hath given or lighted every man in the world withall , which light convinceth of sin , and is not contrary to the spirit of christ , unto this was i speaking and this i stood by , and thou conceives another thing from my words and fight against thy own consequences like a man too irrationall to understand common english , &c. then thou saist , thou passed by other lame arguments which i tumble over like a blinde man in a thicket of bushes . o be ashamed for ever ! thus to evade and shuffle , with such scornefull words ; i said that which reproves of sin is the gift of the spirit of god . john 16. and that which makes manifest sin , is light , and whatsoever is reproved is made manifest by the light ephes. 5. how dare thou call these lame arguments tumbling over ? what impudence is in thy heart , so to say ? when thou art put to confusion , then such excuses thou brings ; well , some may see thy folly ? then to my question which was , whether that light which every man is lighted withall , is sufficient in it selfe for life and salvation to every one that believes ; if thou say , not wherein is the blame , in god in his light or in the creature , thou saist , no it is not sufficient , i take it for an answer , and leaves it to be weighed by the sober reader , and though there be vessels of honour and of dishonour made of the same lumpe as thou saist , yet i further query , is not every mans blood that perisheth of his owne head , and is not the lord clear from the blood of all men , even though they goe to destruction , and if the reader try thy book over he may judge whose arguments are lame . then whereas thou said , christ as god hath lighted every man that comes into the world , to which i said , then why dost thou say we wrest that scripture john 1. 9. seeing thou thy selfe hast confessed no lesse then what thou callest wresting in us , and this is truth let all men consider else ; that when thou confesses christ as god hath lighted every man in the world , it is no lesse then what we say , and that scripture say , which is , that christ is the true light , and that is he which lighteth every man that comes into the world ; and maist not thou be ashamed to call this so scornfully a glavering answer , not being able to clear thy selfe from my just charge , in that herein i charged thee with confusion to oppose us , in that which thy selfe confesseth to be true consider well of it , and let not thy blood goe for the truth of all what thou saist , for i desire it not . further thou cries out , is this all the wit i have , and wonderfull ignorance , because i said it is not good to neglect following the light , but that every one minde the light of christ jesus in them ; in answer to thy words which was haveing said the light which convinceth of sin is the light of christ as god , which the neglect of , will be sure to damne , as thou saist , and now let wise men judge of my answer , but thou falls heavily on it ; proving that obedience to the law will not justifie , and the like which i doe not at all affirm but to that i say , the law having its opperation upon the disobedient ; the justifier comes to be seen , which is he that is the end of the law , and the law must by him be obeyed or fulfilled in thee , if ever thou be saved from being damned by it . consider of this , when thou hast a better understanding , for its yet hidden from thee , then when thou hast thus cried out against my just answer , thou tells me what i should have said , alas poore man , thou reaches not what the knowledge of things eternall is , by that wisedome in which thou art , i need no man to teach me , but the lord . then thou saist . jesus christ hath obeyed the law and justified thee , &c. reply , nay hold , repent first and be turned from thy iniquities , and believe in him , and boast not thy selfe so proudly ; thou art in the transgressions of the law in disobedience to it , a lyar , slanderer , and scorner , one that the prince of the power of the aire rules in a childe of wrath , and every one shall dye for his owne iniquity , and the soule that sins shall dye , and wrath to every one that doth evil , and the revelation of the judgements of god ; learne what this meanes , or ask them that are of a better understanding then thy selfe . then thou seems to minde me of some weaknesse and cries out , wonderfull foolishnesse , &c. because i said the light of christ given to every man , jo. 1. 9. as thou confessest , is not contray to the spirit of christ , and to the grace of god , but is one in their nature ( mark ) and a man cannot possibly love one of them and hate another , therefore one they are , in the union leading in the same way , unto the same end , and where doth the spirit of christ give light , or that grace of god work or lead if not in the conscience ? &c , these are my words , now let honest men consider and john bunion be silent , what foolishnesse or wonderfull weaknesse , is in these words , but is onely to the wisedome which is devillish , which despiseth truth ? or what cause was there to blush when i wrote them ? as he impudently saith , who cannot contradict them , nor reprove them , and yet railes upon them : no marvell that thou would passe them , as thou saist with such a poore shift to evade with a lye that thou hast spoken to it already , when as thou hast not medled of these things . o let not thy impudency so sottishly carry thee , for thy shame is seen and laid open , its good ( in thy light ) to passe that which confounds thee , which is past answering , so to save thy credit among thy fellowes , the cause to blush is in thy self , and it s brought to thy doore . then thou pleads for the scripture to be the rule in opposition to my question which is not answered , which was , can there be any surer thing for the creature to look to , to walk to life , or to come to god by , then the light of christ which every man hath given him , &c. but thou may for shame cease pleading for scripture rule , being thy selfe art so farr contrary to it , for he that walkes in the life of the scripture i have union with him , and the light of christ is a more surer testimony either to witnesse justification or condemnation , then any mans words without , whatsoever ; then my other question was whether the turks jewes , and thee and others doe serve sin and lust , because christ hath not given you light to discover your sins , or because you hate that light , that is given , and much to this thou speakest not pertinent , nor answered in plainesse , i leave it to the reader to judge , and to read my answer page 17. of my first , which clears truth from all what thou hast said against it in this particular . now i come to the next thing , where thou foolishly charges me , that my doctrin is not according to truth , but a lye , charigng me to affirm that which the apostle doth deny , because i said the spirit is given to every man , though every man receives it not , and it strives with the wicked though he follow it not , &c. my words herein are truth , and no lye , neither contrary to the scripture , and let the reader be judge betwixt us , the apostle saith the manifestation of the spirit is given to every man to profit withall , and some of these to whom he writes thus ; was wicked , given to incest and idolatry , and other sins , here i prove , it was given to the wicked , and thou confesses the righteous had it , and there is but these two on the face of the earth ; now if thou can find a man that is neither wicked nor righteous then thou hast advantage , then some hath not the manifestation of the spirit , the saints had the comforter the spirit of truth , and he ( the spirit of truth ) convinced or reproved the world of sin ; they that were not saints , but wicked had it reproving them , marke these things ; and let honest men judge while both you , and i am silent , whether thy doctrine which denyes that which the scripture affirmes , or mine which bears witnesse to the same thing which scriptures speaks , be to be disowned , let an equall line measure ; the shame , and false doctrin is fallen upon thee , and thou art offended ( that i should say thou brings other vain arguments ) with a vapour saying neither i nor my fellowes are able to answer , &c. but i say true , the arguments are vaine , one is , the devils are convinced but hath not the spirit , or such like , now what is this to the purpose , that thou contends in that wherein no-body strives with thee , nor none affirms against thee , and it is a vaine argument to parelell the devill in such a cause , as having the spirit , but thou art so blind , it s hardly possible to let thee see thy ignorance herein . i may not much strive with thee , onely i le tell thee of those things , and the sober reader shall judge , to instance a thing impossible to prove things possible , is vaine arguments , so that i have herein done thee no wrong . then thou cries out of my weaknesse , and that i blaspheme , and of a great deale of ignorance discovered in me , and bids me be silent , and falsly charges me with presumption , and such like , &c. because i said thus much i leave with thee , till thou prove the light of christ , ( which thou confesseth every man hath ) to be contrary to the spirit of christ , i shall say every man hath that which is one in union and like the spirit of christ , even as good as the spirit of christ according to its measure , these are my words , page 18. and i own them , and thy answer to them is no contradiction , nor just confutation of them , but lyest in saying i call conscience and nature it selfe the spirit of christ , this is false never spoken by me , so that thou hast uttered a pack of railing words without any knowledge or feare of god , in stead of a sober answer , the blasphemy and great deale of ignorance and presumption appears not in my words , they are truth , and thou hast not proved that the light of christ is contrary to the spirit of christ , nay , thy simple policy is too short , when thou had done so , then had been a time to have cast these opprobrious speeches at mee , like venomne from a viper , but the weaknesse ( or strength of error ) and blasphemy and the great deale of ignorance and presumption &c , is fallen at thy doore and there i leave it , clear thy selfe from it as thou art able , who without any confutation of the words , falls impudently to charge me thus highly and falsly from the words , be thou silent whise the reader judges ; then thou goes about to defend thy first wickednesse in that thou said the devill doth deceive poore soules by bidding them listen within ; and turne the minde within , and see if there be not that which doth convince of sin , &c. and my answer to this is sound , and stands over thee , and unreproved by thee , though many words thou speakest , yet from the scripture doth not prove or by honest arguments , that the devill doth deceive any , by bidding them to turne to the light within , which convinceth of sin , if thou would have cleared thy selfe , thou should have proued thy assertion , according to my desire i asked thee , was ever such a thing spoken that the devill can deceive any by the light of christ , but to this not a word in proofe , but faith , every man hath not the spirit of christ , &c. but further then i query , doth the devil deceive any by bidding them to turn in , and listen to that light spoken of john 1. 9. for that light am i contending for , and not any other contrary to it , then thou saist ▪ thou denyes that paul bid listen within , telling me of making shelter for my error , &c. this is no error to say that paul bids listen within , let the reader judge from that scripture , rom. 10. 9. the righteousnesse of faith speakes on this wise , vers. 6 ( which is the voice of the gospel ) and vers. 9. what saith it , the word is nigh thee in thy mouth and in thy heart , was not that the end of these words to listen within ? the word is in the heart , what saith it there ? now the error is thine , that denyes the truth , and the lye is returned to the founder , who denyes that paul bids listen within , when its plain he saith the word is in the heart , what saith it there ? o that a man professing knowledge and enterprizing such things , should be so sottish ! and so unable to finish what he hath begun then thou cryes out-hidiously and notes it in the margent for wresting of thy words , in that i said , thou saist , they are ignorant of the gospel who closes in with these motions of the light within ( or conscience ) which doth command to abstaine from the evill , and to practise good , and thy owne words are , now the poore soule through ignorance of the gospel closes in with these motions of its owne conscience ( viz. ) the motions which convinceth of sin within , which doth command to abstaine from this evill , and practice this good , so let wise men consider whether i have wronged that intent of thy words , and be not so soon angry , for thou canst not vindicate , that they that closes in with these motions of the conscience or the light of christ within , which convinceth of sin within , which doth commmand to abstaine from this evill , and to practice this good , is ignorance of the gospel and doe not evade it by words without knowledge , in picking of quarrels and seeking offences ( by different tearms of words ) where no occasion justly is given thee . then my question thou seemest to answer , which was , what , and how doth the light of the gospel worke , if not in the conscience , and to command from evill , and to practice good ? this query stands over thy head not confuted nor fully answered , for the true understanding of it thou hast not comprehended , but to thy own conception , thou hast answered as if i should say that every man hath the light of the gospell working in them to salvation which i never said nor thought , so thy answer is not to the purpose . then thou hast passed by ful slightly ( as disable to clear thy god and his spirit , that guides thee , which is the god of this world ) of that great sum of wickednesse justly charged upon thee , page 19. of my last , which according to true collection is ; by turning the mind within to the light which doth convince of sin , and listning thereunto and claspeing in with the motions of the conscience , which doth command to abstaine from evil , and to practice good , and closing with something within which thou confessed is the light of christ , these things preceding , then thou saist , hereby or thus , is the poore soules carried headlong , and at the end of its life doth fall into the belly of hell , this is indeed a sum of wickednesse set forth by thee , which when thou receives it in againe shall receive the interest upon it , of indignation and vengeance , and though thou hast slipped it now , it shall then be reckoned on jobn bunions score . remember thou owest to prove this before thou be heard any more . then againe thou cries out , that i have naughtily belyed thee , and the like , because of misplaceing a word , and saying the light of the world , instead of the light brought into the world , thou art an unjust judge who makes offenders for a word misplaceing , but it is plaine , thou means by light brought into the world , that light john 1. 9. which every man in the world is lightned withall , and if thou doe then thou art a lyar in saying in thy first booke and in this , the devil counterfeits the new birth , by perswading it is wrought by that light , and if thou meane not that light , john 1. 9. but that of the spirit , john 16. ( which i say is not divided ) then thou art a lyer also , and now while thou charges me to be guided by satan , and to be a lyar , in the very time hast answerd thy selfe in a lye and cannot get out , mark it . then thou saist , thou passes by many urgeing expressions , which thou might charge with unrighteousnesse &c. reply , i asked thee by what is the new birth wrought , and how , if not by following the light of christ in the conscience is there any other way to god but christ jesus , who hath lighted every man that comes into the world , this is part of that thou hast passed by , with thy lyeing excuse of rageing expressions of which thou may be ashamed to equivocate thus poorely to save thy owne credit , the charge of unrighteousnesse justly falls upon thy own head . thou further saith , and eates up thy owne wickednesse who said then , and saith it now but most ignorantly , that satan makes the soul believe is it will but be lead by what shall be made known to it , from the light ( or conscience ) within it shall doe well , &c. my last answer to this , is sufficient , onely i ask thee a proof out of the scripture for this doctrin , that the devil doe deceive any by the light of christ , in the conscience within , and till then minde my words , in my last answer , if ever thou know god , it must be by following , and by being led with the light within , which god hath made known unto thee , else that light is thy condemnation eternally . then againe thou chargest me with corrupting thy words for wrighting thee , for their ▪ now a scorner i charged thee to be , from thy words , and that i yet say of thee , taking thy words in thy own sence , as page 77. of thy first doth manifest thee , unto the single eye , and thou secretly charges us , with following our own spirit , and speaking by our own spirit , but our own spirit we have denyed , and have received the spirit of the father through the light of christ ; whereby every man in the world is lighted to life , or to condemnation , then thou seemes to be highly offended that i should say , thou dost not profit people at all , noting it for false in the margent , but thou needs not be so angry , though thou say the people in the contrey where thou dwells will testifie the contrary , &c. to which i say thou hast no cause to boast of the fruit of thy ministry , nor they of much profit received by thee , witnesse a meeting in bedford , where a company of thy cheifest members , i suppose , uttered much wickednesse in lyes and slanders as many can witnesse , and witnesse three of thy brethren , testators of this booke , who say they know that to be truth , which thou hast declared , and thou art proved a lyer in many things , let them read themselves false witnesses and lyars like thy self , and these things being considered as i said with other things at the end of this , thou hast no cause to boast of thy ministry , nor they of their profit , by it in that contry , who art unconverted yet , from lying and false accusing , and so art not turned from satans power to the power of god , and as for a carnal ministry of which thou speakes , they are very bad that exceeds thy selfe in carnality , in thy understanding of the things that are spirituall , then further thou goes on seeming to bring witnesse of thy former slanders , having in thy last , falsly accused us with sad blasphemies and horrible doctrins and thou saist , my speech bewrayeth me , that i am one of them , because saist thou , i say that every man hath the spirit of christ . o thou lying tongue when wilt thou cease thy wickednesse ! i never said nor thought so . and further thou saist , i say there is that in every man which is as good as the spirit of christ , my words are the light of christ , lighteth or is given to every man that comes into the world , which light is not contrary to the spirit of christ , but one in the union and as good in its nature according to its measure , and till thou prove that that light john 1. 9. is contrary to the spirit , which yet thou hast not done , stop thy mouth and take shame to thy selfe , for being fouly guilty thy selfe of corrupting my words , which thou falsly charges on me . other things thou saist , that our society should affirm , but i may have ground to judge thou art , so slanderous a tongue on me , that the like thou may doe of others . and whereas i said thou art , confounded in thy discourse i said true herein , as instance , thou saist , that conscience may be seared and evill , and another place that conscience is the light of god , can the light of god be seared , or is it evill ? thou holds it forth . consider , is not this confusion , other things i might collect , but this one is sufficient to prove thee in confusion and though thou reckon us some time with the ranters , and sometime with the pharisees , with many words of bitternesse and envy yet we beare thy reproaches , and when they are taken off then shall we appear , and thou appear and be judged , as we are , by him that is above all . then thou falsly charges me with corrupting that scripture , in john 3. 19. whereas , i neither added nor diminshed but spoke it as is to be seen in my booke . further chargeing me that i doe not understand a difference between the light of the law , and the light of the gospel , &c. friend , i rejoyce in that i am hidden from thee , and that my words are a stumbling to thee , for in that state thou standest the entrance into the kingdome of god , thou shalt not know whose wisedome is foolishnesse with god , and though thou say the light of christ is a saving comforting light , so will it be to thee a condemning light , and of all lyars and slanderers , and this shalt thou know though thou art busied up and down , in thy minde seeking occasions against me , from my words , not clearing thy selfe from what i have truly charged upon thee , but accusing me falsly , and this is come to passe , that thy shame might openly appeare , as to that difference of the law , and gospel ; thy wisedome with my knowledge of it , i shall not seed , yet i leave the reader to consider , deut. 30. from vers. 11. to 16. and rom. 10. 7 , 8. and what i said yet remaines upon thee undone to prove by the scripture , something to convince of sin without , and besides or contrary to the spirit of god , which thou art never able to doe , for though thou say ( as none affirmes ) the light in every mans conscience is not the spirit of god , yet how dost thou prove ; or when that it is contrary to the spirit of god , which in my last i put upon thee , and now i leave it with thee , and then thou would excuse thy first words , in that thou called the quakers found hipocrites , but hast not yet proved that they live in hipocrisy , and so art a lyer still , and my words are just upon thee , a perverter of the right way of god thou art , and in the day of judgement it shall be proved by thy recompence . then thou goes about to prove that a naturall man may have power over sin , and abstaine from those things forbidden in the law , and for thy proofe thou instances in paul , who said he was blamelesse , phil. 3. now this was before the commandement came from god to him , which let him see the law was spirtuall , and this doth not prove that he had power over sin , for he was in envy , and so a murtherer , and had not power over sin , according as i asked thee , if thou saist he had power over sin , &c. as thou seems to doe before he was convicted , while he was a naturall man , then it was no sin to persecute jesus , and this would be blasphemy , the product of thy doctrine , but this thou hast cuningly slipped , where i asked thee to get power over sin , and to abstain from those things forbidden in the law , is it not further then thou ever came ? and because thou wilt not answer , i doe and say yet , and concludes , that john bunians state is not so good as pauls , while he was a persecuter according to his own doctrine , and thou saist the gentiles did by nature the things contained in the law ; true , but their state was not condemned , but justified , before the circumcision , and i aske thee , is any condemned by the lord , who are excused in his sight , or is any justified who is accused , and my words are sound , which thou ignorantly comments upon where i said i rather chose to be of that profession which abstaynes from those things forbidden in the law , and to have power over sin then to live in the transgression of the law , and under the power of sin ; yet talking of beliefe in the son of mary , &c. let the reader judge whether of these religions is more accepted in the sight of god , thy religion is proved to be talking of beliefe , in the son of mary and art in the transgression of the law , a lyer a false witnesse in envy and backbiting and such like , thy false beliefe will not save thee in the day of the lord . then further thou still confesses that as he is god , christ lighteth every man that comes into the world , then , wherefore dost thou make all this adoe , in opposing us , in this particular , yet let 's try thy doctrine , whether it be sound , thou saist , this light wherewith christ as god hath lighted every man , is conscience ; and yet sometime saith this conscience is seared and hardned and evill ; what is the light of christ as god , seared , hardened , and evil ? j. bunian holds it forth ; this is thy great ignorance and blasphemie , and somtime thou saist this light is nature , and nature is corrupted and sinfull . and in it , all are children of wrath , what is the light of christ as god corrupted and sinfull , and is all by it children of wrath ? john bunians doctrine holds it forth ; though blindnes possessed thee , when thou write this , yet mayst thou blush at the reading hereof . then thou goes to give a meaning upon my words ; in that i said the law is light , and light is the law , which is truth , but i spoke them not for thee to interpret with thy lying spirit , but let spirituall men judge of them then much adoe thou makes in answering my question to thee , but hitts not my words at all : i asked thee and bid thee shew if thou canst any sin which is not against the law but this thou canst not doe , though you would prove if thou could , that unbeliefe is not a sin against the law of god ; then thou speaks of the obedience of the sonne of mary imputed to us , &c. but i say the obedience of him without doth not justifie any ; who are in the nature of enmity against him , who is not a new creature nor condemned in the flesh ; and whereas thou secretly charges us , with mingling law and gospell together ; i tell the we know the operation of each , and doth witnesse the ministration of each , and they are not devided nor opposite one against the other ; but that one is the fulfilling of the other , and though thou said you leape over the law , for justification , yet it is too high for the to leape over for condemnation . remember this , and all thy fained faith while in that nature thou stands uncondemned , is but as the stubble for the fire ; then whereas i charged thee with preaching another gospel , then the apostle preached , & my charge is true upon thy head , and my proofe is sound , against thee , he directed to the word within , in the heart rom. 10. what saith it , the word is in the heart , and he turned to the light from darknesse ; but thou saith who shall ascend to fetch him , men must follow him to the crosse without , and to heaven without , &c. and so art one that saith loe here and loe there ; but these things thou hast passed by , with thy lying excuse of quarrelling , a many poore shifts thou art faine to make , and in that i said thou was a lyer , in saying the light ( viz. ) of christ as god , doth not shew the soul a saviour or deliverer , my charge upon the is true and stands vnremoved , and i asked thee , if the light of christ doth not shew christ to all that walke in the light , then what can but this ; thou hast passed also most deceitfully which stands upon thee to answer or to stop thy mouth , then thou would excuse thy contradictions charged upon thee , in that thou said they are wickedly deluded , who own christ no otherwise then as he was before the world ▪ and yet saying god onely is the saviour and there is none besides him , and all thou saist cleares not thy selfe from contradiction herein , let honest men be judge betwixt us both , for thou judges falsely me to be naught , and i am sure thou art naught , and thou will not take my judgement , i may not take thine , ( let impartiallity judge betwixt us ) then thou would excuse thy slanders charged justly upon thee , in saying that quakers make light of the resurrection , and to prove thy wickednesse , thou askes us whither it be so , i'ts time enough for us to answer when thou hast brought evidence of the first accusation , what poor proofe is this for to cover thy selfe , though to add to thy wickednesse . thou say , thou knows we deny it , i aske thee when it was , or where it was , o thou enemy of righteousnes , yea thou shalt arise in the day of judgement to shame and contempt , and this i affirme except thou repent of this thy wickednesse ; then whereas thou urges me , that i should have answered , the querie raised from eph. 4. 10 , better , or confuted thine , &c. doe not boast but heare what i say , thou saist in that answer , that christ ascended to the right hand of the father in your nature . mark now , thy nature and your nature who are one with thee , is sinfull and wicked and of the divell for so all lyers are , and it is blasphemie to say sinfull wicked divillish nature , such as john bunians is , and his fellowes , is at the right hand of god in heaven , o horrible ! consider of this , and see what thy begging an answer hath brought upon thee , i deny though thou affirme it , that thy and your nature which is wicked ▪ or , a man in that nature is ascended into heaven , and therefore boast not thy selfe another time , this nakednes of thine might have been covered but for thy own boasting , and thou saist acts 1. proves it , let the reader search , if he can find that christ ascended in sinfull wicked nature , such as theirs is , who are one with john bunian , and this is another lie of the scripture , and though thou with much impudent confidence affirme the quakers to be deluders &c. i say from that we rather love dispraise then praise , and are as our fore fathers were counted deceivers and yet are true , and thou art deceived in thy own heart , in that thou understands my words , that i should say as though there were no false prophets now , because i said they were in the apostles dayes , which is true , and yet are they now too ; even it s witnessed by thee , and thy fellowes , who are in their steps , who through coveteousnes making merchandize of soules , and your people are ever learning , and not able to come to the knowledge of the truth , and goes for gifts and rewards , and are false accusers and such like . nay but understand me better , for i say thou art a false prophet , and thou art now , though thy root sprang forth in the time of the apostles of which thou art a branch , and thy fellows ; and though i said that antichrist was in the dayes of john , and this was before a quaker was heard of , my words i own , prove that , that the christians was called quakers at that day if thou canst , &c. i alow not thee to be my interpreter , except i found thee more honest , but doth condemne thy meaning upon my words , and though thou say instead of proving our selves not false prophets , we prove our selves no christians , because i said ( that word ) quakers was not heard of in those dayes . now consider , are they no christians now , whose title or name without , was not given or heard of , in the apostles dayes , then protestants are no christians , nor independants are no christians , nor anabaptists are no christians , because they were not called so in the apostles dayes , and while thou hast thought to prove us no christians , hast cast out thy selfe also , then thou art no better then we , and what poor arguments these are , let the wise consider , and vaine consequences , i did not say there were no quakers then , but not a quaker beard of ( viz ) by that name ; for there was thousands of quakers , who trembled and quaked at the word of the lord , moses , and david , jeremiah , isaack , paul with many more were quakers , and tremble●s , though not then so called , but as i said , such as thou hast such thou brings , and thy master will accept thee . then thou saist , i fling durt in thy face , because i said if we should diligent search thee , we should find thee in their steps , through feigned words through coveteousnesse , making merchandize of soules , loving the ways of unrighteousnesse . and further i said among them thou art found , who art preaching for hire , and loves the error of balaam who went after gifts and rewards , &c. now thou seemes to be grieved , and calls this a false accusation , but le ts try ; the cause admits dispute , art not thou in their steps , and among them that do these things ? aske john burton with whom thou art j●yned close ; to vindicate him and calls him brother , he hath so much yearly , 150. l. or more ( except thou hast some of it , ) which is unrighteous wages , and bire , and gifts , and rewards . what saist thou , art thou not in his steps , and among and with him and them that doe these things ? if he be thy brother , and thou so own him , what is evill in him whom thou vindicates , i lay upon thee , but tell me , who have heard thee deny him , and the rest of the independants , in these things which thou knows he doth act , and in thy answer i cannot find the fully clearing thy self by denyall , but saist that spirit that lead me out of this way is a lying spirit , out of what way i say , out of the way of preaching for hire , dost thou meane ; nay it s a lying spirit in thee , that goe in their steps , and among them that goes in this way , and though thou bid me have a care of receiving by hear-say , what i have ( said ) received in this , is truth , though thou evade it never so much . as to that of some bidding thee throw away the scriptures , &c. indeed upon such termes , it might be spoken so as to be owned , a lyer and a slanderer is an unfit fellow to meddle with the scriptures , or to take the name of the lord , or of the man christ jesus , in his mouth , and i may say truly what hast thou ( unrighteous person ) to doe , to take his name , and truth in thy mouth , hateing to be reformed . and in that i say of thy crying against christ within , this is true who said there was nothing in thee , nor any man ( without acception ) to be taken notice of , as we may prove by witnesse though thou deny it ; then , was not christ within , and what lesse is this , then to cry against him , when as thou denyed him within , or else concluded he is not worth taking notice of . and though thou say i falsely speak of thee in saying thou calls the doctrine of christ within , false opinions , and take in hand to discover it , but the falsenesse is in thee , who hath utterd that which is untruth , and contrary to the gospel , and now denyes it , or would hide thy wickednesse ; for thou having framed an objection , and speaks of some that are for a christ within , &c. and then thou saist , thou will discover the falsity of such opinions , now thou dost here reckon the doctrine of christ within false opinion , ( or among them at least ) let the reader judge , and be thou silent for shame ; but all thou saist cleares thee not , from what i said of thee , god shall judge thee thou lying tongue , and deceitfull heart . then thou charges me with folly and to eat my first words , and to be unstable in judgement , and to fight against the truth , &c. from my question asked , doth not the scripture say , christ is within , except you be reprobates , and is not this thus much , all is reprobates but they in whom christ is within , and yet because i said the measure or manifestation of the spirit , is given , to every man , this thou hast catched . at , and would prove it unsound , but truth is over thee , and both these are true ; and further , i say that christ is given into the world , yea to all , but all receives him not , and they that doe not receive him are reprobates , though he be given but not received , and the folly and fighting against truth is in thy selfe , who saith it is contrary to the scriptures to say the spirit is giving to every one , thou here lyest of the scripture as it s proved and i doe not befoole my selfe in saying the words ( or some of them ) i own in thy book , though i have written against the book , for though thou speak christ words and the apostles words , yet thy voyce is the strangers and thy voyce i deny , what ever words thou speakes , and is not befooling my selfe , and here i could justly end my discourse , and what is said is sufficient , to manifest thee and me , to the honest reader . and thus far thy weapons of slanders are broken , and thy refuge of lyes are layd-wast , and this also is cast by , as our spoyled prey of babylons treasure , and trampled upon , and know that we are of god , and he that is of god heareth us ; and to our god , shall all bow ; and before him tremble . and whereas thou seemes to be greatly offended , and stumbling very much , at my answers to thy queries , because thy carnall conceptions is not satisfied , nor thy vaine minde gratified , having as thou thinkst great occasion against me thereby , which causes thy mouth to be opened in vapouring words aloft . against the simplicity of the gospel , not understanding my words , for the things of the kingdome of god is a parable to thee and sealed from thee , never to be known in the reason in which thou judgest . but in short thus i reply , i did not purpose to answer fully to them to feede any mans wisedome with my knowledge of the things of gods kingdome ; for the queries were not fully directed to the quakers ; so that quench thy anger , and according to my answer , goe seeke a further answer , ( or else be thou still unsatisfied ) from them who are led with a spirit of delusion , for such a direction requires no full answer from me , nor any of us who are in the truth and not in the delusion , neither did i purpose nor doe i at any time to answer fully to such things are directed in a great part to others , i am not a servant especially to them that are led with a spirit of delusion , to fulfill thy will , but yet the short answers that i gave , ( which was not in the behalfe of delusion ) but for the truths sake , i still own though thou cannot understand them , but products many bad lying wicked consequences from them , and my purpose was not to feed thy foolish wisedome in answering ; nor to satisfie thy reason to receive praise from thee or any man for so i know it must be in hearing and seeing , thou must not perceive nor understand , who art of the generation hardened and in parable is the kingdome of heaven unto thee , and i rejoyce the rather in being a stumbling to thee , in that state wherein thou standest , then that i should have gratified thee , for i seek not nor receives honour from man in what i doe ; but is covered from the worlds knowledge , and know this , if thou cannot receive the kingdome of heaven as a little leaven ; thou shalt never know it ; but yet how wicked art thou in this also , though not understanding me , in what i said yet , so fouly wronging me with above 30. false charges and slanders from my words , which thou reaches not the knowledge of , so it will be enough . reply , to sum up thy lyes and send them backe to thee to seeke them out , and an evidence for them and the queries and my answers shall stand as they are to be judged of by honest men , while we are both silent in our own cause , they are to be seen at large in my first book , the true faith of the gospel contended for , &c. in the 26 , 27 , 28. pages . and whereas further i speake at the end of my answers of christ within the hope of glory and said , it is that mistery which long hath been hid from ages , but now is made manifest and declared , and though the wise of this world cannot receive it , but speaks evill against it , yet it is deare unto us , and so much more precious because despised by such as him and such things are a testimony to us and against you , ( viz. ) our enemies , &c. as in my 29. page of my first may be seen ; and most wickedly this , or part of it , he calls bablings , and saies he passes by it . o horrible impudency ! what marvell that he should so belye me , when as he hath called the very scripture truth , spoken forth in righteousnesse , bablings ? and these things i leave the reader to judge of , and all his lyes thrown upon me impudently and consider , what ground this man hath from my answers to be seen in my first booke to broach out and belch out such a number of lyes and slanders , in 5. sides of paper , not any one of them ( charged against me falsly ) were spoken by me , or ever in my thought to speake , or ground given by any of my words for such productions , as it is seen what lodges in the heart of such a fellow even desperate wickednesse who is without any shame or honesty , who dare utter such things against the upright , who hates not his enemies , but while i am clear in the sight of god , from all his false slanders , i matter not what john bunion say of me , who is as a man given up to wickednesse who in lesse then a sheet of paper hath uttered 30. lyes or more , which i may particularly manifest before he can find evidence ; a great wickednesse ? can this mans converts be good , while himself is unconverted ? is he a minister of christ ? for shame let it not be told so ; well i beg not vengeance against him , but leaves my answers to be read , who wil clear me from his lying consequences , most wickedly conceived , and as wickedly uttered ( by one of gogs army ) against a member of jesus . now i come to reckon up his damnable doctrines , and errors , which are contrary to the truth ; as will manifestly appeare , to him that is spirituall ; some of them damnable without comparison . john bunian said , that christs second coming , is not his coming in spirit , for his coming in spirit is no coming . he saith , this ( or part of it ) is a lye made of him by me ; when as severall witnesses , doth testifie in righteousnesse , that those very words were spoken by him , in paules steeple-house in bedford towne , may 23. 1656. as is witnessed , and yet this man is so impudent , that he denyes what he spake , ( or is ashamed of his words ) and so would cast the lye upon me , who is cleere , and the wickednesse lyes at his door , and whereas he would prove that the second coming of christ , is not his coming in spirit , i say i will not begg him to believe it , but as he believes , so be it unto him , and all that he saith doth not prove , but that christ promised , and fullfilled to his disciples , that he would come againe to them , ( mark ) againe is a second time , if any man hath an ear let him hear . and then he saith he will not trouble himselfe to lay this to my charge in that it was said of him ; christs coming in spirit is no coming , it may be he repents of what he hath said , being better considered , since he hath already falsly charged me with it , as some in the county of bedford knows very well , that he hath falsly charged me and denyed his own words , spoken by his own mouth . also he said , take notice that i affirme that there is nothing in me nor in any man to he taken notice of , these are his own words spoken by him aprill 12. 1656. at patnam , witnessed by three men , who heard it from his mouth , and this charge he doth not fully deny , but in a great measure he assents to it , yet would cover his shame a little with a lye , in saying , directly in this forme of words he did not lay them downe , but this will not serve to hide his reprobate state , for to his face it maybe testified he spoke the words , as i have laid them down , and therefore consider against whom i am yoaked , against one that is a reprobate , and without christ in him , one that have denyed christ in him , or else thinks christ not worth taking notice of . o abominable ignorance , why should such a fellow take the things of god in his mouth , who hath denyed christ in him , and the spirit of christ indeed it appears that he doth take notice of nothing in him , else he would have been wounded with the light in his own conscience , before he had brought forth thus many lyes , it seems he takes notice of nothing in him , but is past feeling , damnable doctrine indeed , without comparison , that ever one professing a minister of christ , should be so stark blind and wicked , yea , we have taken notice of what thou hast said and it shall be recorded for ignorance of the greatest sort , but he would evade the thing and give a sence upon his words , and in such a sence he ownes , and in such a sence he denyes it , but what is this to the purpose , except he confesse it , ( as it is ) that he is unregenerate , and if so , he confesses the light of god is in him and then to be taken notice of , if it be but to condemne him . o blindnesse to be marked ! well , this mans folly hath appeared sufficiently , who confesses this light in every man is the light of christ as gód , and yet saith , he affirmes there is nothing in him , nor any man , ( regenerate or unregenerate ) without exception ) his words here spoken , worth the taking notice of . the rest of the particulars charged upon his fellowes is passed by with the excuse of wanting the names expressed , may be he is glad to be ignorant in this thing , but le ts search , john burion said , that christ had two bodyes , one our of the sight of the saints , in bedford , may 23. 1656. and to this john bunian confesses but would excuse it if he could , and would manifest that christ hath two bodies , cleane contrary to the scripture which affirms ephes. 4. 4. now no marvell that he gain-sayes me , when as he hath gain saied the apostle , who saith expresly , there is one body , but they say two bodies ; let them be ashamed for ever , thus to contradict scripture , john spencly , ( one of the testators of this lying scrole , a member of the same supposed church ) said that christ and the word of life were two things , and so would divide christ contrary to the 6th . of john 48. where christ saith he is the bread of life , and contrary to 1 john 1. 2. the 23. of the 8. month , 1656. . john bunion and one fer. and j. child laid down . 1. that god dyed , and that very god , and the everlasting father dyed contrary to many scriptures , as dan. 4. 34. dan. 12. 7. 2. they affirmed , that the word that was in the beginning was crucified upon the crosse , contrary to the 1 peter 1. 23. 3. they affirmed , that justification is without obedience , but yet say i , none is justified in disobedience but all condemned in it , let them mark that , and there is but either in obedience , or in disobedience , and he that is a believer and justified , is not without obedience . 4. that there is a light which convinceth of sin , besides the light of christ , and john bunian in all his booke cannot prove any is convinced of sin , that hath not the light of christ or that any thing besides the light of christ doth convince of sin , so that his confusion doth appeare , 5 , that there is no saving knowledge but what comes without from heaven , contrary to 2 cor. 4. 6 , 7. where it is said the light shone in their hearts out of darknesse , j. child denyed that the man christ jesus had given a light to every man that comes into the world , contrary to joh. 1. 9. also he denyed , that every man was lighted , that they might believe , contrary to jo. 12. 36. 35. jo. burton said , that a man might be upon the foundation and yet deny christ , now the scripture saith , matth. 10. 33. he that denyes christ shall be denyed of the father , and the father denyes not any that are on the foundotion as they affirme . another of them said , that the word that was hid in davids heart was the outward scriptures . another of them affirmed , that he was justified from all his sins , past , present and to come and said there was scripture in the acts to prove it . john burton said , that a man is not justified by the spirit , john bunian said , the 30. of the 11. month , that the spirit of christ doth nothing ( mark ) within man as to justification , he affirmed , that the flesh of christ is not within any man , then there is no man that hath life in him if christs words be true , jo. 6. 53. and christs words is true , and therefore jo. bnnions doctrine is , he said , that by the kingdome of heaven , within the pharisees luke ▪ 17. christ speakes of himselfe there as a personall man to be that kingdome of heaven , mark here what the substance of this is , doth he meane that the person of christ was in the pharisees . o horrid blindnesse ! not to be parrelelled . he said , the best thing in a naturall man is impure , and yet in this book confesses that the light of god is in all men , so that must be impure , else j. bunians doctrine is a lye ; but the light of god is pure , and therefore jo. bunians doctrine is a lye , he said , that the scripture , in every place doth not mean as it speakes , and instanced that in peter , not to mean as it speaks , where it is said , yea , as lively stones are built up a spirituall house , and where it is said , have salt in your selves , he asked if a mans belly must be filled with salt , mark this expositor , and his blindnesse and ignorance , and the cause why he is silent , and forbears to aggravate sin is , least hard thoughts should be entertained against him , let men judge , whether this be not an unfaithfull man to the lord , who rather then harsh thoughts should be against him in the wicked , he will be silent , and hide and cover sin in sinners . o wickednesse indeed ! he saith , that christ ascended into heaven in our nature , ( viz. ) in his nature , and they that are one with him , and he and they are proved to be in corrupt nature , as they will confesse it . o what wickednesse to hold forth that christ is at the right hand of god in sinfull nature , as his words holds forth from his owne mouth . jo. burton said , that men may depend too much upon something called christ , and the righteousnesse of christ within . he saith , that the devil knowes how to take the childrens bread ( viz. ) christ jesus who onely is the childrens bread ) and give him to dogs . o sad error and damnable . he saith , that the devill deceives soules by bidding them follow the light which they brought into the world with them . and he confesses that light is the light of christ ( as god ) o unutterable ignorance ! can a sober man read this , and not be ashamed , to hold forth that the devil deceives soules by bidding them follow the light of christ ( as god ) ? he saith , they that follow christ aright , must follow him without , to the crosse without for justification , or mount calvery without ; they must seek for justification without , and the spirit of christ it leads to christ without . reader , see if this be not near unto poperey , or enquire else what he meanes , as if he would have people to goe a pilgrimage , and this is contrary to rom. 10. 6 , 7 , 8. he saith , that the soule of man is the light wherewith every man is lighted by christ as god , and this is the light that every man brought into the world with him , and the devil deceives soules by this light ( viz. ) by the soule , this is true from his owne words , let it be marked by sober men , what damnable doctrines these are , hardly fit to be raked in . he saith further , that the devil deceives soules by perswading them to follow the light within , which he confesses is the light of christ , and that all men hath it . he saith , conscience is the light of god , and yet in another place saith , conscience is defiled , what concurrence is here , let the reader judge , to hold forth that the light of god is defiled , his words plainly shewes , to say that the law is the schoolmaster to bring to christ . he saith , this is a frothy argument . and to make up his wickednesse he saith , he is ruled by scripture , consider whether those doctrins and lyes be not quite contrary to scripture , what impudency is in this mans heart to say he is ruled by scripture , he saith , they that look upon * christ no otherwayes then as he was before the world was , he dare to be bold to say they are no christians but antichristians , he saith , that * christ as he is mediater , so he doth not lighten every man that comes into the world though as he is god , he doth , markhere , he would divide christ , not to be the same , the son , as he is the father ; yet he confesses in his book , what the father doth , the son doth also , see what contradiction here is ? not worth the raking in , o blindnesse that may be felt in the grossest darknesse he inhabits . he saith , that the devil hath more experience of the knowledge of the eternall power , and godhead , then unregenerate men ; mark , the word more signifies something . he saith , the light of christ as god , is conscience and nature it selfe , mark , nature is sinfull , and wicked , and all are children of wrath , in it so are all by the light of christ as god ; wicked & children of wrath if jo. bunions doctrin be true , let him make it good as he can : o wonderful trash & muddy stuff , unheard of before . he saith , the devil deceives souls , by bidding them listen within , and see if there be not that which doth convince of sin , mark his doctrin well . he denyes , that paul bids listen within , contrary to that scripture , rom. 10. 8 , 9. he saith , conscience may be hardned and seared , and is naturally evill , and yet saith , conscience is the light of christ as god , see what an agreement is here , the light of christ as god , is hardened and seared , and evil , else j. bunion must revoke his doctrine , or else prove this , consider what stuff this is , which is held forth by him . he saith , he preaches not for hire , indeed , he had no need to receive mony for such doctrin as these . he saith christ is some four or five foot long , this is more then he can tell . he reckons the doctrin of christ within a false , ( or among false ) opinions . he saith , it is contrary to scripture to say the measure ( or manifestation ) of the spirit is given to every man , though paul saith so plainly to the corinthians , 1 cor. 12. 7. mark here he hath spoken quite contrary to scripture , denyed that which paul affirmed or else counted pauls words against scripture . he saith , they that are borne of god doe daily sin , absolute contrary to the 1 john 3. 9. and therefore he would give the apostle the lye . now reader consider , whether thou wilt believe john bunian , or the apostle john , for they are at ods , and speaks quite contrary one to the other . he saith , that the light that shewes thee there is a god , and that this god is eternall , would lead to life , then might the devils be delivered from damnation , and the devils knowes god as a creator , &c. he saith , that the light spoken of john the 3●is the man christ jesus , and yet saith , that the man christ jesus , is not a condemning light . mark that scripture , saith that light was condemnation to them that did evill , he saith not , who must you believe . he saith , that the lyar and slanderer is an unbeliever , and his condition is sad . consider here , how out of his owne mouth he is condemned , who is at large proved a lyar and slanderer , out of his own mouth will the lord condemn him . he saith , that a man cannot give a more right description of a false prophet , then the prophets , christ , and the apostles did give . reply , in this thou hast truly said . now le ts consider , how thou hast ▪ confessed to thy own shame , and laid open thy own nakednesse , the prophets said such was false prophets as preached for hire , and divined for mony , and fed themselves , and clothed themselves with the woole , and that used their tongues , and said the lord saith it , when god had not spoken to them , and that cryed peace to the wicked , and christ said such were deceivers , who had the chiefest place in the assembly , and stood praying in the synagogues , and loved the uppermost rooms at feasts , and that were called of men master , and such like , and the apostle said such were deceivers , to take gifts and rewards , and lucre , and that loved unrighteous wages , and that were backbiters , and false accusers , and covetous , and having a forme of godlinesse , but denying the power , who ever taught , and the people were not able to come to the knowledge of the truth , with many other such like . now this is my appeale to all mens consciences , in the sight of god , whether thou art not found under some of these carrectars ( at least ) or whether thou art not one in union and fellowship , with such who act these things , yea , thou art ▪ among them and not crying against them , and so art guilty of their sin , though not as fully in the act as are some , may be ; so that i doubt not , but they who have not hardened their hearts , and blinded their eyes will see , how thou hast condemned thy self in confessing the truth , and the time is coming that further it will be made manifest concerning thee , only at present thou art sufficiently discovered , to be out of the truth in the way of perdition , and how ever though thou hast covered thy selfe , as much as is possible ▪ from the stroke of thy owne hand , and from the guilt of thy own confession , yet jo. burton , thou hast condemned an hundred , i thinke of independant ministers , ( so called ) thy brethren , who are known to be found guilty of those things , all or most of them , which thou confesses are marks of a false prophet , and while thou bids us examine our selves , thou art the man ( or among them ) that are proved truly guilty . he saith , he is not come to one of the dayes of the thousand yeares , of satans being chained , and this is truly confessed , and so he is in the reigne and government of the devill , and satan is not bound but at liberty in him , ( as it well appeares ) and christs reigne is not known , and so it must needs be true , that he is of the army of the draggon against the lamb . some of the same members with him said , in bedford , that they scorned that light which convinceth of sin , ( which the quakers speaks of ) further , most falsly i am charged by him with railing against the lord jesus , which is absolute false ; my words are spoken in feare and reverence of the lord jesus . reader , these things i leave to thee , to be judged of , his false slanders and his damnable doctrins , and wicked lying accusations ; and contradictions which his 9 sheets of paper is filled with , as if he had set himself to lye , and slander and speak wickedly against the truth which is over him , and is a testimony against him , and though opposed by him , yet not confounded , but him it confounds , and by it he shall be judged and condemned ; and the time comes when further he may be made manifest , if this be not sufficient ▪ out of the abundance of his heart , hath his wicked tongue tered these things , which are but a little of what lodges in him , but let him prove these things first , and then utter more . and now john bunian , thou and thy false witnesses ▪ and all thy company and brethren in iniquity , remember and repent for the day of your visitation is upon you , blessed were you , if you could receive it , before it be spent , not to be recalled ; and before the long suffering of god come to an end and you be shut up in utter darknesse , and indeed friends the day hastens wherein every man shall receive according to his deeds ; he that hath done evill shall not be cloaked , and he that hath done good shall not be uncovered , in that day when the secrets of all hearts shall be laid open , and searched with the eternall eye ; the end of my worke is to clear the truth , and the way thereof , ( god is witnesse ) from thy slanderous and lying and perverting tongue , and onely i reproove thee , by the spirit of the lord , and so leaves thee to receive thy reward from the just god of righteous judgement ; who upon thy head will render vengeance in flames of fire , in his dreadfull day , which upon thee comes suddenly , even when thou and you cries peace , peace , then shall destruction come as an armed man from which thou shalt not fly to escape , though now you all be hardened against the lord and his way and truth , and hath even bent thy tongue for lyes , and hath reproached the innocent , to the peirceing of thy own soule , and one day shalt thou know it , therefore bow and tremble before the lord god , thou and all thy companions , a lyar and slanderer thou art , a perverter and wrester of the right way of god , and of the scriptures , a hipocrite and dissembler , a holder forth of damnable doctrines an envious man , and false accuser , condemning another falsly in what thy selfe is fully guilty of ; these things i lay to thy charge justly in the presence of the lord god , and upon thy account are they reckoned by him , and proved by testimony in the sight of man ( and may be more fully hereafter if any thing be wanting ) and one day shalt thou feele the burthen of them , though now thou be above shame ; and all thy lyes , slanders , deceits , confusions , hypocrisies , contradictions , and damnable doctrines of devils , with impudency held forth by thee , shall be consumed in the pit of vengeance , and then shall the witnesse in thy conscience justifie the lord ( in condemning thee ) & me , to be true in reproving thee , and this i say to thee , and you all , the liveing god you know not , nor his son jesus christ ; but are enemies to god and * persecuters of the lord of life , and shall perish among the uncircumcised , yee false witnesses , and wicked helpers ; you may be ashamed of your testimony subscribed at the beginning of his lying scribble , will you yet say through grace , those things are true ; the father stop your mouthes in the dust , who hath offended the lord , more then defended him , or your selves ; and be ashamed in the presence of god and man , much more may be said hereafter , to lay you further open , if you yet harden your hearts in your wickednesse , but i doe rather reprove you , then strive with you , and rather desires your return to god , then your condemnation by him , and with this i shall end , and by what is said in short is sufficient to manifest you , and john bunian to all honest people , what generation you are of , and that you are guided by a lying and unclean spirit , and that you are doing the devils worke in gain-saying the way of truth and righteousnesse , by your multitude of lyes and slanders , and damnable doctrines , and whatever you account or falsly judge of me , yet am i true ( though as a deceiver ) and the lords servants , and a witnesse for him and against all your lyes and slanders , and wickednesse hatched amongst you and brought forth by a lyeing orator whom you have made your mouth into the view of the world , even a cursed birth , and the father of it ; and the womb that conceived it , and it shall rot , and perish as the dunge and not accomplish any part of the end , of your desire , for so loathsome it is , being truly searched and laid open that it hath not obtained neither the praise of god nor man , but is defamed by men , and condemned of god ; alas , alas , for thee john bunian thy severall months travell in griefe and paine , is a fruitlesse birth , and perishes as an untimely fig , and its praise is blotted out among men , and it s passed away as smoak ; truth , is a top of thee , and out-reaches thee , and thy formed weapons cannot prosper , and it shall stand for ever to confound thee , and all its enemies ; and though thou wilt not subject thy mind to serve it willingly , yet a slave to it must thou be and what thou dost in thy wickednesse against it , the end thereof brings forth the glory of it , and thy owne confounding and shame ; and now be wise and learned , and put of thy armour , for thou maist understand the more thou strives , the more thou art entangled , and the higher thou arises in envy , the deeper is thy fall into confusion and the more thy arguments are , the more increased is thy folly , let experience teach thee , and thy own wickednesse correct thee , and thus , i leave thee , and if thou wilt not owne the light of christ in thy owne conscience , now to reprove thee and convince thee , yet in the day of judgement thou shalt owne it , and it shall witnesse the justnesse of the judgements of the lord , when for thy iniquities he pleads with thee , and behold as a theife in the night , when thou art not awarre , he will come , and then woe unto thee that art poluted , finis . errata . in page the 2. line 2. for o , r , to , and l. the 20 , r. and before the dragon , in p. 4. l. 5. for helped , r. belyed , take notice of it ; in page 5. line 17. r. and before all , in page 6. l. 16. for here r. they , and line 34. for t is , r. is , page 7. l. 7. for doe r doth , for falfly , r. salsly , page , 9. l. 12 , after ranters , r. they would professe they , p. 11. l. 11. for rested , read wreasted , p. 12. l. 2. for upan t. upon , and l. 9. for simplicity , read , simple policy , and line 11. for lyed , r. laid , and l. 25. for maes , r. mans , and l , 26 , for fight r. sight , and l. 30. for fight r. sight , and l : 33. for therefare r : therefore , p : 13. l : 30. for impuden ce r impudent , p : 19. l : 24. for ja , r : jo , and p : 20. l : last , after feet , r : and to confound thy selfe thou saist , p : 21. l : 36. for the world r : thou , p : 22. l : 10. for are r. art , p : 23. l : 1. for judged , r : judge , and l : 17. before for , r : nay , p : 24. l : 7. for therefore , r : therefrom , l : 31. for it : r : yet , p : 25. l. 13. after coufesses , r : is the light of god , l : 30. for witnesse , r. witnesses , p : 27. l : 16. for of read to , and leave out to ; p : 28. l : 29. for why it , r : who yet ; p : 30. l : 16. for saith , r : faith , l : 28. for it , r : what , p : 32. l : 26. for speak , r. appeare , l : 28. for further , r : former , p : 33. l : 10. for what r. that , l : 31. for so , r : see p : 24. l : 19. r : i , before have ; and for prover r : reprover , l : 28. stood r. stand , and l : 29. for fight r : fights , p : 36. l : 30. for that r : the , l : 34. after but , omit is , p : 38. l : 8. for you , r : thou , p : 41. l : 6. for soules , r : soule , l : 9. for set , r : let , l : 27. for answered , r : fnared , l : 29. for urgeing r : rageing , p : 42. l : 12. for thee , r : the , p : 45. l : 4. for yet r : yes , p : 46. l : 15. for that r : the , p : 48. l : 17. for not , r : no , l , 37. for wayes r ; wages p ; 51. l ; 15. before are , r ; as . p ; 55. l ; last ; r. damnable after is , p. 58. l ; 29. for against r ; no , in p. 49. l ; 6. for he hath r ; hath he not , so it is in the manuscript . notes, typically marginal, from the original text notes for div a77969e-190 * about 100 or more as may be proved inparticular if need require . notes for div a77969e-360 * several lies and slanders was proved against him in that book , which he cannot clear himself of ; mark that . * lying perverting scripture is an evil l●fe . * lyers and flanderers is of the dragons party ; * i said that desolate zion is compassed about with enemies to make her adestruction , &c. these are some of the words which he sayes flung into the wind . * viz. that the quakers deny christ to be a reall man : secondly , that they fancie him to be god manifest in their flesh ; thirdly , that they make his humane nature with the fulnesse of the godhead , to be but a tipe of god : these things were charged up on us . * this is a lye ; * that the ranters and quakers deny all teaching but the teaching within ; and yet condemnes principle by practise . * in my first booke . * in my first booke i said , read the scriptutes mark the sence . betwixt before . and from . * viz that which you said ; there was nothing in any man to be taken notice of ; this is a denying of him within . * the truth is he is in their steps , and among them ; * viz. that the quaker● undervalues the lord jesus , and doth not lay him for their ●oundation . * the children of god were ever counted deceivers by this generation , but the way which he called delusion doe we worship , the true god , &c. * or in themselves . * till he could prove the light , jo. 1. 9. to be contrary to the spirit of christ , when he prayes his i may shut my mouth . * the witnesse is as good as the judge ; in measure . * the words seems to be are left out , by him which carrie the strength of my words . * in my first booke . * page 10. of my first . rom. 10. * page the 14 of my first . john 1 ▪ 9. to this is two witnesses . john 14. may 23. 1656 i●bedford . this is witnessed by many . his own book holds this forth . * compare this doctrin with heb. 13. 8. and his doctrine is proved to be damnable . * contrary to john● . ● . * witnesse one of their brethren a justice of peace ( so called who imprisoned falsly the innocent to all their shame .