An account of the great divisions, amongst the Quakers, in Pensilvania, &c. as appears by their own book, here following, printed 1692, and lately came from thence, intituled, viz. The plea of the innocent, against the false judgment of the guilty : being a vindication of George Keith, and his friends, who are joined with him in this present testimony, from the false judgment, calumnies, false informations and defamations of Samuel Jenings, John Simcock, Thomas Lloyd, an others, joyned with them, being in number twenty eight : directed, by way of epistle, to faithful friends of truth, in Pensilvania, East and West-Jersey, and else-where, as occasion requireth. Keith, George, 1639?-1716. 1692 Approx. 71 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 13 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2005-12 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). 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The plea of the innocent, against the false judgment of the guilty : being a vindication of George Keith, and his friends, who are joined with him in this present testimony, from the false judgment, calumnies, false informations and defamations of Samuel Jenings, John Simcock, Thomas Lloyd, an others, joyned with them, being in number twenty eight : directed, by way of epistle, to faithful friends of truth, in Pensilvania, East and West-Jersey, and else-where, as occasion requireth. Keith, George, 1639?-1716. Budd, Thomas, 1648-1699. 26 [i.e. 24] p. Printed for and are to be sold by John Gwillim ..., and Rich. Baldwin ..., London : 1692. Errata: p. 26 [i.e. 24]. Signed: George Keith, Thomas Budd. "Some brief observations on their seeming condemnation of Will. Stockdale ...": p. 22-26. Reproduction of original in Huntington Library. Created by converting TCP files to TEI P5 using tcp2tei.xsl, TEI @ Oxford. 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Society of Friends -- Controversial literature. 2005-05 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2005-06 Apex CoVantage Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2005-07 Andrew Kuster Sampled and proofread 2005-07 Andrew Kuster Text and markup reviewed and edited 2005-10 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion An Account of the Great Divisions , Amongst the QUAKERS , IN Pensilvania , &c. As appears by their own Book , here following , Printed 1692. and lately came from thence , Intituled , viz. The Plea of the Innocent , against the False Judgment of the Guilty . Being a Vindication of George Keith , and his Friends , who are joined with him in this present Testimony , from the False Judgment , Calumnies , false Informations and Defamations of Samuel Jenings , John Simcock , Thomas Lloyd , and others , joyned with them , being in Number Twenty Eight . Directed , by way of Epistle , to faithful Friends of Truth , in Pensilvania , East and West-Jersey , and else-where , as occasion requireth . John 7. 50 , 51. Nicodemus said , Doth our Law judge any Man before it hear him . Acts 25. 16 , 17. It is not the manner of the Romans , said Festus , to deliver any man to die , before that he which is accused , have the Accusers face to face , and to have License to answer for himself , concerning the Crime laid against him . Psal . 58. 1 , 2. Do ye indeed speak Righteousness , O Congregation ? Do ye judge Uprightly , O ye Sons of Men ? Yea , in Heart you work Wickedness , you weigh the Violence of your Hands in the Earth . London , Printed for , and are to be Sold , by John Gwillim , in Bishopsgate street , and Rich. Baldwin . in Warwick-lane , 1692. The Plea of the Innocent , &c. Directed , by way of Epistle , to faithful Friends of Truth , in Pensilvania , East and West-Jarsey , &c. Dear Friends and Brethren every where , to whom this may come ; WE dearly Salute you in the Love of God : The occasion of this present Writing is in Vindication of the Truth , and Us , the defamed Witnesses of it , and particularly of George Keith , from the false Judgment , Calumnies , false Informations and Defamations of S. Jennings , John Simcock and Thomas Lloyd , Pretended Preachers , and others , joined with them , being in Number Twenty Eight , in their late Epistle sent to the Monthly and Quarterly Meetings in Pensilvania , East and West-Jarsey . First of all whereas they pretend to give an Account to these Meetings of the Tedious Exercise and Vexatious Perplexity they have met with in their late Friend George Keith , for several Months past . In this they have dealt most unfairly and unjustly with him , in that they have given no account of the Occasion of that called by them the Tedious Exercise and Vexatious Perplexity , &c. which because they have not given , we see fit to do the Truth , and all Friends of it , to whose hands this may come , that Justice , as to give you a true Information of the Cause and Occasion of the late Difference that hath happened betwixt divers of them , that hath signed their Epistle , and these the chiefest among them , and G. K. which was this , viz. About fifteen Months ago , Wiiliam Stockdale , an Antient Preacher , having accused G. K. of preaching Two Christs , because he preached Faith in Christ within , and Faith in Christ without ; the which G. K. hearing , after he had privately dealt with him , laid his Complaint first before about twelve of the Friends of the Ministry met at the House of Robert Ewer , who having done nothing in the said Meeting to bring W. Stockdale to due Coviction or Condemnation for his said Error , but rather for the most part did excuse and defend him , as can well be proved by divers Credible Witnesses then present , only two of the said Friends of the Ministry then present , viz. John Hart and John Delavall dissented from the rest ; then G. K. did again lay his Complaint before Friends of the Ministry at the last Yearly Meeting at Philadelphia , in the first week of 7 mon. 1691. and soberly desired to have their sence and judgment , Whether he was guilty of preaching Two Christs ? or whether W. S. was not guilty of Blasphemy , for saying Christ within and Christ without are Two Christs ? and no less than six several Meetings were had about this Matter in that time of the Yearly Meeting ; and the first Meeting continued about ten hours , viz. from about nine in the fore-noon , to the time that Candles were lighted in the Evening . And it must need , be granted . That it was a time of tedious Exercise & vexatious Perplexity in all the six Meetings ; but who was to be blamed for it , deserveth your serious Examination . Is it not matter of Astonishment , that such an easie Question being proposed to so many men called Ministers of Christ , all highly pretending to the Spirits immediate teachings and leadings , and to be in a degree of Christianity above all other Professions in Christendom , ( there being assembled of these called Ministers cut of these three Provinces about forty or fifty , if not more ) six Meetings could not determine it , viz. Whether to preach Faith in Christ within us , and Faith in Christ without us , was to preach Two Christs , or One ? Whereas G. K. had many Witnesses to clear him , that he always said , when he treated on that Subject , that Christ within us , and Christ without us , was but one Christ , the Measure of the Gift of Christ within us , and the Fullness without us , in the Man Christ Jesus , being one Lord Jesus Christ : a sincere Christian , though in the lowest degree , and but a Babe in Christ , could have easily determined and resolved this Question , and given judgment against W. S. being guilty of Blasphemy against the Son of Man , ( though not against the Holy Ghost ) for his blasphemous Assertion , That to preach faith in Christ within , and Faith in Christ without , was to preach Two Christs ; for according to him : Christ without is a false Christ , he being a great Owner in Pretence and words of Christ within ; and yet which will be matter of Admiration to all Impartial Persons that hear it , who have the least true Knowledge in the Mystery of Christ ) this great and solemn Assembly of so many high Pretenders to be Ministers of Christ , were at a great stand and demur to determine , and in the conclusion of the sixth Meeting gave but a very slender and partial determination and judgment concerning it ; which yet , such as it was , was not intimated by any Order of the Meeting , as themselves have acknowledged . And indeed such was the Partiality , as well as the Ignorance and gross Unbelief that openly and manifestly appeared in these Meetings , whereof sufficient Proof can be given , and that of divers owned and esteemed great Preachers among us , that is scarcely credible , a hint whereof we think necessary to give for your true Information . In one of these six Meetings , T. Fitzwater , in Prayer , said , O God , that dyed in us , and laid down thy Life in us , and took it up again , &c. After he had ended his Prayer , G. Keith , G. Hutcheson and J. Hampton ( but few or none others ) greatly blamed T. F. for his Prayer , for it appeared to them as Blasphemy ; and surely it is not only contrary to Scrripture , but to the express Testimony of Friends , That God is Immortal , and cannot die ; yea , G. W. in his Book called Judgment fixt , expresly saith , God cannot be imprisoned or imbondaged , with other words to that effect , & so cannot die : Another called Rob. Young , a great Preacher among them , openly said , as many can bear witness , in one of these Meetings , That he did not find Christ without in all the Scripture , further positively affirming , That Christ , when he ascended into the Cloud was separated from his Body , and tho' one or two checkt him a little , for his assertion , yet no further notice was taken of it to bring him to any Condemnation for his Blasphemy . Also , Arth. Cook , in one of these Meetings accused G. K. for saying , at the Meeting at R. Ewer's House , That Christs Body that was crucified and buried , is gone into Heaven , & was & is in Heaven , oven the very same Body ; which G. K. most freely acknowledged he had so affirmed , and that Christs body was not changed in Being or Substance of Body , but in Manner & Condition . And whereas at one of these Meetings G. K. had complained against J. Simcock , that he had questioned G. K. at the Meeting at R. Ewer's , saying , Did Christs Bones rise ? which G. K. affirmed , and proved from Scripture ; but the said J. S. boldly deny'd that he asked any such Question , until J. Delavall , and W. Bradford , affirmed they heard him question it . And not only J. Simcock , & Arth. Cook , and others , did openly blame G. K. both at the Meeting at R. Ewers , and at others Meetings at the Yearly Meeting , for imposing a Novelty upon his Antient Brethren , but more especially and principally T. Lloyd , who was the great Attorney for W. Stockdale , and the great Mouth of all these that opposed G. K. in his Testimony to these sound Fundamental Principles and Doctrines of the Christian Faith , did oft object against G. K's . Imposing an Unscriptural Faith on his Brethren , all which is so openly known to many , that we judge , they scarce have the Confidence themselves to deny it ; but what was this Unscriptural Faith that they did blame G. K. for imposing on his Antient Brethren ? even no other but this , That we ought to believe in Christ without us in Heaven , as well as in Christ within for Salvation ; and That Christ is in Heaven , having the true Nature of Man , both of Soul and Body , the same he had on Earth for Being , but wonderfully and most gloriously changed in Condition and Manner , and is not only God in Heaven , but both God and Man , and yet one Lord Jesus Christ ; and many are Witnesses , how at the School-house Meeting , as well as at these other Meetings aforesaid , T. Lloyd argued , That Faith in Christ without us , as he died for our sins , and rose again , was not necessary to our Salvation , which his Son-in-law , I. Delavall openly contradicted , bringing for his Proof Rom. 10. 9 , 10. And at one of these Yearly Meetings , T. Lloyd said , Christ within did all ; which J. Wilsford contradicted , saying , That he did not believe , for Christ without did somewhat when he died for us . And at another of these Meetings Samuel Jenings having rudely & uncivilly stopt G. K. in his Testimony , when he was recommending to them , seriously to consider , whether it was not their Duty to preach Christ outwardly more than they did , said , If thou preached Christ without less , others might preach him more ; whereof divers present took great notice , and was very offensive to them , as well as to G. K. and did signifie that S. Jenings was too much a Preacher at his own will , as well as prejudiced against G. K. that because he would not seem to follow G. K. he and others would not preach what G. K. preached , tho' true . And this is but a hint of many more things that could be mentioned , as Instances of their gross Ignorance , Unbelief and Blasphemy that some of them showed themselves openly guilty of at these Meetings , and others their being guilty of gross Partiality and Hypocrisie , labouring to cover these men in their Impious Blasphemies against Christ Jesus the Son of Man. Was it therefore any matter of Wonder or Crime , that G. K. being zealous and servent for the true Faith , and Doctrine of Christ , so much openly contradicted by some of them , and questioned by others at these Meetings aforesaid , was stirred in spirit to use sharp words against them , which yet were all true , and therefore no Railing , nor yet blame-worthy ; even as it is said of Paul , That his Spirit was stirred in him when he saw the City ( viz. of Athens ) wholly given to Idolatry . And suppose that G. K. did exceed at times , the due bounds , by great provocations on their side : Is it not great Hypocrisie and Partiality of these men so severely to judge him , and wholly to conceal , nor only their own Ignorance , Error and Blasphemy , but the extream Passion , the rude , uncivil and unmannerly Speeches they uttered against him , both in these Meetings , and often since , calling him , Reviler of his Brethren , Accuser of the Brethren , Brat of Babylon , One that always endeavoured to keep down he power of Truth , drawing from the Gift of God ; calling him also , Pope , Primate of Pensilvania , Father Confessor , accusing him of Railing , Envy , extream Passion , and a Turbulent and Uusubdued Spirit , and not only so , but most uncivily and unchristianly , yea , inhumanely , otherwise treating him in these Meetings , often six or ten , all at once , speaking to him , and some pulling him by one sleeve , and others by the skirts of his Coat , more like Mad men than Sobet ; and some bidding him go out , and when he essayed to go out , & prayed them to let him go , others pulling him back , and detaining him ; so that greater Confusion was scarce ever seen in any Meetings pretending to Christianity ; and why do they conceal all this their rude , and base , and inhumane Carriage , as well as uncivil words towards G. K but to demonstrate their Partiality and Hypocrisie , at least to give us a fair occasion to demonstrate it ; and what Partial and Hypocritical men they are , whom GOD hath in great measure already discovered , and we doubt not will further discover in due time . And many of these men have discovered no less Ignorance and Error in the late Difference that hath happened betwixt G. K. & J Fuzwater who hath openly in the face of a Monthly Meeting accused G. K. for denying the sufficiency of the Light ; and the rhing at last is come to this Issue , that by the Act of a Monthly Meeting , held ad Philadelphia , the 26. 3. mon. G. K. is condemned for saying , The Light is not sufficient without something else ; and at the next Monthly Meeting following , T. Lloyd did acknowledge , in the open hearing of all present , whereof many are ready to bear Witness , & which we judge they will not deny , That by that something else they knew that G. K. did hold ( as he hath oft declared , both in publick Testimonies , & other occasional Discourses ) The Man Christ Jesus without us , and what he did and suffered for us on Earth , and what he now doth for us in Heaven : Whereupon G. K. said , If this be a Guiltiness , That the Light within doth not save us , or is not sufficient without the Man Christ Jesus , and his Death , Resurrection , Ascension & Mediation for us in Heaven , I own my self guilty ; but by their thus condemning G. K. for his sound Doctrine , and clearing T. F. they have declared openly their being no Christians , and therefore it is no Railing nor Ungodly Speech to call them Ignorant Heathens , for it is their proper Name due to them , seeing they will not own any thing else , not the Man Christ Jesus , but only the Light in them to be sufficient and necessary to their Salvation ; but for a more full account of their thus publickly renouncing the Man Christ Jesus we refsr to two Papers of Minuts writ by G. K. of what passed at the last Quarterly and Monthly Meetings about this matter . But whereas some of them say . They have not cleared T. F. let all impartial men , who read their act recorded in their Monthly meeting Book , ( a copy of which with great difficulty we have at last obtained ) judge whether their words in the said Act doth not clear him , when they say , The Meeting saw no Reason to give Judgment against him , in this particular above-mentioned , as much as when the Grand-Jury bringeth in their Verdict of an Ignoramus into the Court , doth not clear the Person accused for that time ? and whether this their clearing of him , is not further confirmed by their allowing and countenancing him to preach and pray in their Meetings , and the last clause of their Paper , concluding that T. F's Charge in it self wes true . 2dly . Whereas , in their Epistle , they use a great many words in Commendation of what formerly G. K. was , and how once he walked in the Counsel of God , and was little in his own Eyes , and his Brethren honourable in his esteem , and that he was lovely in that day , when the Beauty of the Lord was upon him , and his Comliness covered him ; and other high words of Commendation , scarce given to many far more worthy than he . It is very apparent , that all this is but on purpose , first to raise him up as it were on high , that they may seem the more to throw him down into their deep Pit of Infamy & false Judgment they have given against him , together with their deceitful & hypocritical Lamentation over his Fall from the kigh places of Israel , as a man slain in his high places ; this is not unlike to their Predecessors , the Persecuting Clergy of the Church of Rome , who before they burnt that worthy Servant of Christ John Huss , they caused be put on him his Priestly Robes , & then afterwards stript him of them , on purpose the more to defame him , and render him vile before the People ; the which as they were doing , that worthy Servant of Christ called to remembrance that White Vesture which Herod put upon Christ to mock him withal , as Fox doth relate it in his Book of Martyrs , pag. 739. Tom. 1. But we would have these men to know , that G. K needs none of their hypocritical and mock Lamentations , but rather let them in good earnest weep for themselves , and for their great Ignorance , Error and Unbelief , that some , if not all of them have sufficiently discovered themselves guilty of ; and most of them of their great Prejudice and Hypocrisie , and all of them of their Folly , and rash and false Judgment , which will be their own burden , and for which we wish them true Repentance . And seeing their Accusations against G. K. lie much in bare generals , we see no cause further to take notice of them , as they contain bare generals , as his being guilty of Anger , Envy , Cruelty , Treachery , and other false and reproachful Speeches they give out against him ; but to show , that for want of particular matter against him , they thus labour to defame him so much in bare Generals , a way common to all Sophisters and false Accusers . And for the hard words they alledg , he used to call some of them , as Fools , ignorant Heathens , Infidels , silly Souls , Lyars , Hereticks , Rotten Ranters , Muggletonians , &c. G. K. saith , and that in the uprightness of Heart , that he never gave such Names to any of them , but to such as he can prove did deserve them , and for which he can appeal to all impartial men that profess Christianity , whether they to whom he gave such Names did not deserve them ; as when one of them said to him in his own house , in the hearing of some present , That seeing to preach Faith in Christ without , did give Offence to his Brethren , and was like to make a Division among Friends , it was best to let it alone , as Paul said concerning eating of Flesh , if it did offend his weak Brother ; this W. Gabitas said to him , whereupon G. K. said ( as he solemnly declareth , and as some do witness ) Thou silly Soul , or little Soul , dost thou compare the preaching of Christ Crucified to eating of flesh ? And to call Men Fools and Sots , yea , blind and dark Sots , that deserve it , hath been the practice of some very eminent Friends , for no greater cause than some have given , who have openly renounced the Faith of Christ without them , as necessary to their Salvation , as we can sufficiently prove some of them have done , who deservedly may be called Ignorant Heathens , Infidels and Hereticks ; and if G. K. did call some of them Lyars , he can prove they were such , and that is no Railing to call a Lyar by his true Name ; so did Christ call such as deserved it , and so did Paul ; and divers of them that have signed that Epistle , have called G. K. openly in a Meeting , Lyar , and other unworthy and base Names , without all just ground ; and therefore it is base Partiality in these men to condemn G. K. for that which they are guilty of themselves , some of them having not only called him Lyar , but Apostate , and worse than Prophane , as particularly S. Jenings , in the hearing of divers credible Witnesses ; and Arthur Cook , ( who is of their side , tho' his hand is not at their Paper , being absent ) at the School-house-Meeting did openly call him Muggletonian for affirming , That Christ had the true Body of Man in Heaven , the which Body was not every where ; of this many can bear witness ; and at the same time the said A. C. would not acknowledge that Christs appearance to Paul , mentioned 1 Cor. 15. 8. was without him , alledging it was Only within , and put G. K. to prove , Where we read in Scripture of Faith in Christ within , and Christ without , as also to prove , that Cornelius was faithful to the Light within , or had the Light within . And T. Lloyd hath used very uncivil Expressions to G. K. in some of those Meetings , one time saying , No Man could differ with G. K. but he was in danger of the Life of his Soul by him , which G. K. was greatly offended with , and judged the most uncharitable saying that ever any of his greatest Enemies gave him , this T. L. knoweth himself guilty of , and hath laboured since to put a cloak upon it , but that could not cover it ; and at another time said , G. K. had been a more vexatious Adversary to Friends , than Hicks or Scanderer , or the greatest Enemies ; and at other times he hath said to G. K. Must I truckle under thee ? which seemed very strange to G. K. and some others , and seemed to proceed from great Pride and Self-conceit , to which G. K. answered , As thou art not to truckle under me , so nor am I to truckle under thee , but let us both truckle under Truth . And it is but too apparent that T. Lloid , S. Jennings , J. Simcock , A. Cook most especially , and others of them concerned in Government and Magistracy , take occasion on that account to exalt themselves , and lord it over G. K. and his Friends , and seek to oppress and run him down , because of their worldly Power and Greatness , and of this many are sensible , that these places of worldly Government have done them much hurt , in other respects , and especially that of late they countenanced the use of the carnal Sword , and some — hired men to fight , for recovering a Sloop from the Privateers , and all this is allowed and countenanced by the Authority of these men , who have joyned in false Judgment against G. K. but if they had known their own state aright , they would rather and in the first place have judged themselves for that which hath brought our Profession under such great Reproach . And for calling them Ranters who deny Faith in Christ without , as necessary to Salvation , and only profess Faith in Christ the Light within them , as we can prove divers of them do , G. K. hath for his Example G. F. whom he hath heard call such Ranters , who say , They believe only in Christ the Light in them , & not in the Man Christ without them ; also he hath the Example of G. Whitehead , who saith to Jeff. Bulleck , Thou who canst not see the consistency of Salvation by the Light within . AND by the Man Christ Jesus , are gone from the Light into Imaginations ; and by this ( Censure of G. W. ) it doth manifestly appear that the Monthly Meeting of the other side here at Philadelphia , who meet apart from us , is gone from the Light into Imaginations ( and what is that but Ranterism ? ) for they have declared by their late Act of their Monthly Meeting , the 26. 3. mon. 92. That they see no reason to give Judgment against T. F. for accusing G. K. that he denied the Sufficiency of the Light , seeing four Credible Evidences gave Testimony , That they heard him say , he did not believe the Light was sufficient without something else ; and at their last Monthly Meeting it was confessed by T. L. as the Month of the Meeting , That by that something else , they knew G. K. meant the Man Christ Jesus without us , & what he did , & suffered for us on Earth , and what he now doth for us in Heaven , to wit , his intercession for us , &c. Wherein they have declared themselves exactly to be of the mind of J. Bullock , ( a great Adversary to Truth and Friends , and whom G. W. hath well answered ) who do not see the consistency betwixt Salvation by the Light within , and by the Man Christ Jesus ; and therefore by the Judgment of G. W. they are gone with J. B. from the Light into Imaginations , and may be justly reckoned Adversaries to Truth and to Faithful Friends , as well as J. B. And notwithstanding of their accusations against G. K. as if he were not in unity with Truth and faithful Friends , G. K. hath many hundreds to bear him witness , that he is in unity with Truth and faithful Friends , not only in Old England , but in all places where they are ; and they have heard him on all occasions earnestly to declare his being in unity with all faithful Friends every where , and that he doth believe that there are many that are faithful , and have had the true Christian Faith from the beginning , and that they still continue in it , and that the Faith and Doctrine he doth preach , is the same that Antient Friends had from the beginning , and which all sound and faithful Friends at present have . And as for his giving hard Names and Words to any , it was but conditional , upon supposition of their holding such Errors , which they did seem to favour and argue for , except to two or three , to whom he was more positive , because of their boldly asserting these Errors , some of which are now boldly and openly asserted by them generally . Thirdly , whereas they say , That G. K. charged by their Meeting with being come to cloak Heresies and Deceit , and that there were more Doctrines of Devils , and Damnable Heresies among the Quakers , than among any Profession of the Protestants . In this they are very unfair , and give a false Relation , as can be proved by credible Witnesses , he did not charge the whole Meeting , but a Party or Faction of them , that sway'd and influenced others ; for there were divers of that Meeting that stood for G. K. at that time , which was the Meeting held at Burlington last , tho J. Delavall , and W. Byles , are now declined ; and G. K. did say , That no such Damnable Heresies and Doctrines of Devils were tolorated in any Protestant Sosciety , as these here did among them ; but he never charged the body of Friends with these things , but always made a distinction ; and G. K. might well say so concerning them that have opposed him here , who have exceedingly labour'd to cloak that damnable Heresie of W. S. That to preach faith in Christ within and without , as to preach two Christs ; and with the like industry have they labour'd to cover T. F. whom they heard utter Blasphemy in his Prayer , and never brought him to conviction for it ; & tho T. Bud , at the last Meeting of Ministring Friends at Burlington , charg'd him with saying , That he owned no Man Christ Jesus as Mediator in Heaven without him , but the Grace of God within him , yet they gave him no check for it ; & at the last Yearly Meeting , in the presence of divers Friends he argued against G. K. That Christ was only a Spirit in Heaven , and had nothing of the Body of Man in Heaven , this is he also who said to G. K. at another Meeting , He had not learned that lesson , whether it was the God-head or somewhat else that Christ took of the Virgin , that was nailed to the Cross . And at a late Monthly Meeting that party had cleared the said T. F. & told , That the Light is sufficient without any thing else , excluding the Man Christ Jesus , & his Obedience , Death , Resurrection , Ascension and Mediation for us in Heaven , all which are something else than the Light ; and G. K. might well say , no Protestant Society would tollerate these damnable Heresies , nor indeed would the Church of Rome . Also some of their chief Members are guilty of denying the Day of Judgment , and any Resurrection but what they have already attained , owning no Resurrection but Christ , and having attained to Christ , they reckon they have attained to all the Resurrection they expect , as Rob. Owen , one of the false Judges , and Will , Southbe . one of the Evidences against G. K. And J. Wilsford , another of the false Judges , said lately on a first Day Meeting , That Christ was a Mediator for no Drunkards , nor Wicked Persons , but for his own Disciples , expresly contrary to Scripture Testimony ; in many places , Isa . 53. 12. Psal . 68. for it is by the Merits and Intercession of Christ that all men , even wicked men of all sorts have a day of Visitation , and are inwardly enlightned by Christ , and such who improve it not , but live and die in their Sins ; hinder not but that it is a benefit in it self . Also , the same Person , some time ago at a Meeting in East Jarsey , said in Prayer , Lord that we may not dote on the Body , to neglect the Life ; which was very offensive , and is an unsavoury irreverend expression to every Pious Christian ; for to dote on it , is too much to love it , but this none can do : for we cannot too much love the Lords glorious Body , nor any thing of him , but the more truly we love his Body , the more we enjoy of his Life inwardly , and the more we enjoy of his Life in us , and love it , we love his Body , and prise and esteem still more and more all the Sufferings of his Soul , and his Bodily Sufferings , Death , Resurrection , and Asscention in that Body , hoping that he will change our low Body , and fashion it like to his glorious Body . All which , and other gross Errors , being considered : some denying Gods Prefence in all his Creatures , arguing If God be in Herbs and Grass , than who trample on Herbs & Grass , trample on God. Horrid Blasphemy ! as one argued , and charged G. K. of Blasphemy at a Mo. Meeting , for saying . God was present in all his Creatures , even Grass , Herbs , &c. Hence a new dispute hath risen among some , Whether God be present in — some arguing , they are no part of the Creation . Are not these things enough to make sober Ears to tingle ; by all which , and much more that can be proved , it may sufficiently appear , what great reason G. K. had to say , No such damnable Heresie , &c. are tolerated in any Christian Society , as are among many here-away , called Quakers . Another preaches , That Christ cureth mens Souls perfectly at once , and maketh them free of all sin ; and when we are perfect we are Kings , & are not to beggar pray to God for themselves . And openly in a Meeting at J. Goodsons , S. Jenings , accused G. K. as also did J. Simcock , for preaching Faith in Christ without us , calling it the Professors Faith , and the Faith of all Christendom , that did not profit them . And T. Ducket , another great States-man ( then ) and Preacher , declared at the Meeting at Rob. Ewers , when G. K. made the first Complaint to them against W. S. that he could not determine , whether that Body that was crucified , was in Heaven or not ; but , said he , let the Church determine it , if the Church determine it , we shall , I hope , submit , which was more like a blind Mass-Priest , than a judicious Protestant Minister . And S. Jenings hath sufficiently discovered his great Ignorance , as in some other things ( and joining with them that say , the Light is sufficient without something else , and requiring G. K. to give an absolute Submission to their judgment , which G. K. calling Rank Popery ; S. J. took out his Pocket Book , and writ it down before G. K. had ended the sentence ) so in openly declaring in a mens Meeting , That to do Gods Business , we needed Gods Wisdom and Power , but to do our own Business , as men , we needed it not ; which G. Keith , Geo. Hutcheson , Rob. Turner , J. Hart , and several others publickly testified against , but the Meeting gave no Judgment against him . And notwithstanding that this S. J. has severely blamed G. K. that he refused to submit to him and his Associates , who were joyned in a Faction against G. K. for his faithful Testimony , yet he hath refused to submit to the Judgment not only of the Mens Meeting here at Philadelphia , in a small worldly matter betwixt T. B. and him , but refused to submit to the Judgment of a Meeting of the most eminent Friends , viz. G. F. G. W. and others , appointed at London , to hear the difference betwixt Edw. Billinge and him , concerning the Trust committed to him by E. B. as his Deputy-Governor ; the which , tho' he refused to submit to their Judgment , yet they judged him guilty of betraying his Trust , and he came away for England in disunity with the most faithful Friends at London , on that very account ; and had he had his due , Friends here would scarce have suffer'd him to preach and pray in Meetings , far less to have ruled in their men and womens Meetings , as since he hath done first in West Jersey , of whose too severe Government People in that Province were generally weary , and of other his proud and lofty Carriages , and now here in Pensilvania , who hath already shown himself too high and imperious , both in Friends Meetings and worldly Courts , as is but too well known to many , and yet this ignorant presumptuous and insolent man hath been one of the main Opposers and Threatners of G. K. threatning him , That they will let him know , that tho' he deny their Judgment , yet they shall judge him . But seeing they have given false Judgment against him , as G. K. could expect no better from his declared Opposers , and Adversaries both to Truth and him , it is no cause of Offence for G. K. to say , he trampled there Judgment as Dirt under his feet ; for Dirt is good for something to fatten the Land , but false Judgment is good for nothing , except to discover what ignorant and prejudiced men these are against the Truth . Another of the false Judges is one W. Walker , a Novice , who began to preach before he had the outward sober carriage of a Friend , known to be a prejudic'd person against G. K. for reproving his false Doctrine , first in private , then more publickly , he having said in a publick Meeting , That a man might speak unsound words in the life ; and at another time in a publick Meeting , he bid us wait , that the Scepter might depart from Judah , & c. that Shilo might come ; and many other most gross and impertinent things he hath spoke in Meetings , fathering all upon the Spirit . And as for J. Delaval his declining from G. K. and turning most severely against him and his Doctrine of late , but formerly preached by him , is sufficiently known to many , as well as his accusing of G. K. in a thing he could not prove , but essayed to do it with a dreadful Oath , saying , As God was in Heaven it was true , which to be sure is as real an Oath as that was under the Law , The LORD liveth . Another of the false Judges is Paul Saunders , very lately a great pretended Friend of G. K. and who hath greatly owned in words G. K's Doctrine , and came to that called our separate Meeting , at least one first day , as joyning with us , and yet now hath joyned with these false Judges against us , and yet but a few days before , he told G. K. That he believed e're long they would thrust him out from among them , for it lay on him to preach among them , what that something else was , that was necessary to their Salvation , besides the Light , to wit , the Man Christ Jesus without us . Let none be offended that we name these mens Names , for seeing they have named G. K. in their Paper containing false Judgment , and put their Names to it , we hope none can justly blame G. K. or us that love him , to name their names to things we can prove sufficiently against them ; besides , some of them have complain'd that in our Book , Some Causes of Separation , we named not Names , and therefore seeing it is desired , we have named some ; and it were an easie matter to give such a Character of every one of them that have signed that Paper of false Judgment , as may render them unqualified men to give Judgment in such a weighty case , not only for the Ignorance of most of them , as well as their Prejudice , but for the great suspicion that some of them lie under of a scandalous Life , as Drunkenness , Uncleanness , &c. and as for W. Yardly and N. Walne , as we can prove them both very ignorant men , so they are not of a very good Fame among their Neighbors , and for that distaste , some stay from Meetings , as we are informed . And one George Gray from Barbadoes , almost wholly a stranger to these matters of difference , taking all no trust from them , except what hath lately happened in some late Meetings , hath showed himself too foolish and rash , as well as ignorant : And the like may be said of H. Willis of Long-Island , wholly a stranger to our Differences , but what he had by report , and who lately before divers Witnesses at the House of W. Bradford , openly declar'd himself an Unbeliever , as concerning Christs coming without us to judge the quick and the dead , which is a great Article of the Christian Faith. 4thly , As concerning their blaming G. K. for objecting against their Discipline , and his preparing a Draught , which he presented them , G. K. gave no just cause to be offended at this ; hundreds here-a-way of the more sincere sort of Friends , do object , as well as G. K. against the too-great laxness of Discipline amongst us , and that there is but little inspection into the good Lives and Manners of them that profess Truth among us , far less into their Faith , so that men may almost believe any thing , and yet be owned , if they come to Meetings , and use plain Language , and plain Habit , and be not grosly scandalous . And as to his Draught that he prepared and presented to the Yearly Meeting , 1690. he was very moderate in it , and did not press it on them ; and he is so far from being ashamed of it , that he has now sent it to Friends in Old England , to consider of . 5thly , Their blaming G. K. for his earnest desiring that they and we might agree to draw up some Principles and Doctrines of Faith in the most necessary things , to qualifie our Church-Members , and distinguish Believers from Unbelievers , has no just ground , but is rather worthy of commendation ; for hundreds see the necessity of such o thing among us , especially here-a-way . And for his saying , That he knew none given forth by the body of Friends , it is true , he hath so said , and if they know any entire Confession or Declaration of Faith in all necessary things , and sufficient to end the present Differences , let them produce it ; we know that particular accounts of Principles and Doctrines have been given forth by divers particular Friends , as G. F. G. W. E. B. J. C. and divers others , but not by the Body of Friends , or any yearly Meeting , so far as we know , except the Rhode-Island Sheet , which they do so much oppose . For their offering to give a Confession in Scripture-words , when they have given us to know they have a sence contrary to Scripture , no more can satisfie us , than when Papists , Socinians , Muggletonians , &c. say they will give us a Confession of their Faith in Scripture-words : They have greatly blamed G. K. for imposing unscriptural words and terms on them ; and yet when asked , what these terms are , they never did , or can show , unless that some of them have said , to preach faith in Christ within and without us , is unscriptural . And what else can it be but gross Unbelief and Pagauism , to find fault so much with preaching Faith in Christ without us and his being in Heaven in the same Body that suffered , being necessary to our Salvation ; for tho' the words [ without us ] or [ the same Body ] be not express Scripture-words , yet seeing they are according to the true sence of Scripture , who can blame G. K. or any other , to preach them , viz. That Faith in Christ , as he dyed for us , and rose again , is necessary to our Salvation , and that Christ's Body that was crucified , and buried , rose again , and is gone into Heaven ? Surely none but Infidels and Ranters , but no sincere Christians will deny these things ; and yet all the Imposition they can alledge on G. K. is , That he did preach Faith in the Man Christ without them , as well as Faith in Christ the Light in them ; and that Christ hath the true Body of Man in Heaven , and in that Body he will come and appear without us , to judge the quick and the dead . And the 27. 4th Mo. at Frankford Mo. Meeting , in discourse without door , before many Friends , T. Lloyd blamed G. K. for imposing unscriptural words on them , G. K. pressed him again and again to show in any one particular , but he would not give one instance ; then G. K. desired him to answer one Question , viz. Whether to believe that Christ died for our Sins , and rose again , was necessary to our Salvation ? but T. L. waved it , saying , I will prove out of thy Books thou wast not of this Faith some time ago ; which G. K. denyed , well knowing what is in his own Books . And it may be noted , that T. Lloyd , S. Jenings , J. Delavall , and S. Richardson , came to the said Meeting to countenance the reading of their Paper of false Judgment against G. K. and his Friends , having put it into the Hands of W. Preston to read , who offering to read it , the far greatest part of the Meeting forbad the reading of it , declaring , That nothing ought to be read in their Meeting , without the general Consent of the Meeting ; but this unruly and disorderly man , ( who hath otherwise showed his Prejudice against G. K. and particularly that when G. K. was declaring at another Meeting , W. P. interrupted him and called him Lyar , when yet it was proved that he was the Lyar himself at that very time ) did presume to read the Paper against the mind of most of the Friends present ; and T. L. S. J. S. R. J. D. and A. M. were so far from giving any check to this disorderly Proceeding , and Imposition upon the true Liberty and Right of the Meeting , that they encourag'd it , and one of them , without the least occasion given , did threaten to bind an honest Friend to the Peace , S. Jenings calling out for a Constable * . Thus these , who by their Place should be good Examples of Justice and good Order , are Transgressors of it . 6thly , For their proffering to refer the Differences in matter of Doctrine either to the Yearly Meeting here , or to the Yearly Meeting at London , by their drawing up a Confession , and transmitting it to them , which they blame G. K. for refusing ; G. K. saith , that he told them he had good cause to refuse referring it to the Yearly Meeting here , there being a Faction that prevailed in the last Yearly Meeting , to hinder Justice to be done to the Truth , but he did not refuse to refer the Difference to Friends in England , as having any fear that they would condemn his Doctrine , but if he had promised any such Referrence or Submission as was required , it would have been called a Breach of his Promise , if he had preached any of these Doctrines disputed betwixt them and him , and if God had moved him to preach them , he should either have disobeyed that Motion , or seemed to break his Promise ; and therefore he refused to come under any such tye , especially seeing it could not be expected that an Answer could come from England in less than a years space : And by a marvellous Providence of God , within a few days after this debate , Friends Letters came to us , confirming G. K's Doctrine in every particular than in Difference betwixt him and them , and since that they cry our , Who denies these things ? when it ●s well known , and can well be proved , many did deny them . And whereas they further say , That they would have given a Confession out of a Book of G. K 's concerning the main matter in Controversie , is but a deceitful Cover , like to others ; that Book giveth them no strength in the matter of Controversie ; but if they think it doth , they should have mentioned it ; for nothing is more deceitful than bare Generals ; However , let it be well noticed , they grant there is a main matter of Controversie in Doctrine betwixt us ; but they should have told what that main Matter of Controversie is , to wit , Faith in Christ without us , as he died and rose again , being necessary to our Salvation , according to Rom. 10. 9 , 10. but this they dare not openly do , fearing the People , as the Pharisees feared the Jews of old , in the case of John. 7thly , Whereas they say , This Meeting having tenderly and orderly dealt with him for his abusive Language , and disorderly Behaviour , &c. There cannot be a thing more falsly , hypocritically and impudently alledg'd ; for they did not so much as call him before them at that time , so far as he can understand , altho' one of them lately told G. K. that they sent W. Byles for him , but nothing of this was intimated to any of his Family , and he being absent from the Town , and knowing nothing of their further intention against him , did not purposely absent himself , it was unchristian , and short of Heathen Justice , to condemn him and his Friends without hearing them , they never yet having had any fair hearing to clear themselves ; for even Nicodemus could say , John 7. 51. Doth our Law judge any man before it hear him ? And did not our Friends at London blame the Baptists for clearing Tho. Hicks , and condemning W. P. and others , without a fair hearing of them ; nor was that enough that they sent for them , for they being then absent , was a sufficient excuse , and so it was to G. K. if they had sent for him ; nor was he ever brought upon Trial , in order to any Conviction , before these of the Ministry , but that mock-Tryal that they had at Burlington last , where A. Cook accused him of being Guilty in two particulars , viz. That four or five Years ago he heard him blame Friends of the Ministry at the yearly Meeting at the Center , for misquoting the Scripture . To which G. K. answered , he did not blame them , so far as he can remember , but caution them , not to misquote the Scripture , as many can witness , which was seasonable and necessary , seeing too frequently Scriptures are both misquoted and misinterpreted , as particularly not long ago in a publick Meeting , A. Cook did expound these words , Isa . 53. 5. By his stripes we are healed , not of Christ's stripes that he suffered without us , but of the stripes that he giveth us in our Hearts ; and when T. Fitzwater prayed in a pub . Meeting , Lord Jesus , who art still crucified without the gates of Jerusalem ; and at another Meeting , told , That men crucified Christ without the gate , when their minds went from the Light in them ; and according to this perverse Exposition , when the Scripture saith , Let us go forth therefore unto him without the Camp , Heb. 13. 13. the sence would be , Let us go forth from the Light in us ; which to be sure is very false and absurd Doctrine . And further , G. K. did expostulate with them against A. C. that he should so many years conceal this , and now bring it forth , was contrary to Gospel-Order . The next thing whereof A. C. accused G. K. was , That he heard him revile his Brethren of Pensilvania , to Friends of Rhode-Island , calling some of them Heathens , &c. To which G. K. answered , that he denied that he reviled any of them , but if he had , A. C. had no witness to prove it , and the Scripture saith , Receive not an Accusation against an Elder , but before two or three Witnesses : A. C. said , Friends , ye know the Scripture saith , the ear tryeth words , as the mouth tasteth meat ; if I speak from a true Spirit , ye have a discerning , and then what need of Witnesses ? To which G. K. replied , This is a great Abuse , for at this rate one might accuse A. C. of Adultery ; and if he can get but some men pretending to a spirit of Discerning , say , that he speaks true , tho' the thing be false , he shall be condemned : This is an Invention that A. C. hath hit upon , which the Priests that accused Christ had not found out , or had they found it out , it would not have done , for the Law required Witnesses , and so doth the Gospel ; but the prevailing Party in the Meeting was so far from giving check to this most unjust and unchristian way of accusing G. K. without Witnesses , that they suffer'd S. J. to assault him with a new Charge , which he could not prove . And therefore their usage and dealing with G. K. at this said Meeting was most unfair and unjust , in that G. K. was the first Complainer , and they had delayed doing Justice to Truth , in bringing W. Stockdale to Condemnation for his Blasphemy , for about ten Months , and now they permitted any Accusation to be made against him , without Witnesses , which gave him just cause to tell them he declined their Judgment , because they had manifested themselves to be his opposite Party , and prejudiced against him . And yet after all this , for them to abuse Friends , by writing to them such a gross falshood that they had tenderly and orderly dealt with G. K. is abominable Hypocrisie . 8thly , Nor are they more fair and just in accusing G. K. for traducing and villifying the two Old Engl. Friends , T. W. & J. D. But they cannot prove , that G. K. either said or did any thing but what was just and christian concerning them ; and it is too manifest that they were abused , deceived and byass'd by them of the other Party , with Flattery and false Insinuations they gave against us , letting us have scarce any of their Company ; and they being thus deceived concerning us , used many indirect Reflections , mentioning Haman , Baal , Saul and Aaron , which the Hearers generally understood , they did intend G. K. and when he asked them , If they did mean him , and in pronouncing Woes , &c. they were not positive to clear him , yet G. K. was exceeding sparing towards them , until after they had openly blamed him and his Friends , for the Separation , and prophesied against us , which caused G. K. to tell them they were deceived concerning us , and for their better understanding , desired them appoint a meeting for that end , which they not embracing , and J. D. comparing our Differences here , which are as great as ever any was among any professing Christianity , to Childrens falling out about trifles , caused G. K. and some others , to go away to their own Meeting , but G. K. put not on his hat till he was out of the Gallery , and out of the hearing of J. D. 9thly , Whereas they say , they would have G. K. cease to offer his Gift among them . What great Non-sence , Confusion , and Contradiction is this in them , to suppose that G. K. hath a Gift to offer , after they have render'd him as bad as the worst of men possibly can almost be , as fallen on the sorring Mountains , slain in his high Places , gone into a spirit of enmity , wrath , self-exaltation , &c. and as a Person without the Fear of God before his eyes , in his Anger and Envy , being Cruel against them , with much more . Surely if all this be true , G. K. cannot be said to have the least grain of true Piety ; for he who hateth his Brother is a Murtherer , and no Murtherer hath eternal Life abiding in him ; and according to Friends Doctrine and Principle , No Impious or Wicked man hath any ministerial gift to offer , as this Paper supposeth or alloweth him to have : This Confusion and Self-contradiction of their Paper , showeth ( with many other things in it ) what a false Spirit it hath come from : And many hundreds have a true judgment and sence of G. K. that he continueth in a living sence to God , and hath a living Ministry , which hath a living Seal from the Spirit of God in the Hearts of hundreds , and that he is no such man as they in their Prejudice and Ignorance describe him to be . And for their blaming us for the Separation , in that they have given false Judgment against us , for it lieth at their Door , as appeareth by our Book , Some Causes of the Separation , &c. which they have not taken notice of , nor can they contradict ; for all the matter therein is truth , only there was a mistake of one mans name , viz. Simercy Adams , who was not at the Meeting , but we could have set down many others to make them up sixty , at least , and the matter in that Book lieth at their door to answer , if they be able . 10thly , Whereas they say , G. K. at Meetings since the Separation , like an open Adversary , hath reviled several Friends , by exposing their Religious Reputations in mixt Auditories of some hundreds , &c. This is altogether false , for it is no reviling to speak the Truth ; and they cannot prove that G. K. hath spoke any thing of them but what is true , altho' they have reported , both publickly and privately , many false things , and among the rest , their late defamatory Paper of Condemnation ; and it 's but just and reasonable he should defend himself , and his Testimony . And now , in the Conclusion , we do first solemnly Appeal to God , the Righteous Judge of all men , from the false judgment of these prejudic'd men against us , and next to all faithful Friends and Brethren here in America , and in Old England , Scotland , and Ireland , or elsewhere , to judge betwixt us and them , as the unerring and infallible Spirit shall be found and known to give then a true judgment and discerning ; and with great Assurance , Peace , and Joy in the Lord , to him we commit our Righteous Cause . G. K. T. B. Some brief Observations on their seeming Condemnation of Will. Stockdale , which is rather , as to the main , a clearing of him , and condemning him only as to some Circumstance , and more severely and unchristianly , and most falsly condemning G. K. First , WHereas they say , They being prevented in their Meetings of late to proceed orderly in business , by reason of a turbulent and unsubdued Spirit , ( meaning without all doubt in G. K. ) but having respite at this time , have considered , &c. This is great Hypocrisie and Deceit in them ; why were they prevented in their Meetings of late ? did G. K. by his Spirit lay violent hands either on their Tongues or Pens , that they might not have given true judgment against W. S. in a case so plain , that a company of Children well instructed in the first Principles of Christianity ( the eldest of them not exceeding 15 years ) could have given a just decision in less than one quarter of an hour ? But hew could G. K's . Spirit hinder them at the Yearly Meeting , when he went out at their desire , tho' there was no cause for his so doing , more than for any of them ; for it was not G. K. but Christ Jesus that was mainly concerned in this Affair , for whom , and for his Glory , ( if they had any Zeal for him ) they ought to have been as much concerned as G. K. but it is fulfilled in them what is writ in Scripture of some , that loved the praise of Men more than the praise of God. But why did they take no time since the Yearly Meeting ? Why did they not take a quiet time to do 't in G. K's . absence , when he was almost six Months absent in N. England , betwixt his first Complaint , and that Meeting at Burlington last first Month , having gone twice into N. England , and was each time absent about three Months ? And why did they nothing at the Meeting at Burlington against W. S. but heard false Accusations , without all Proof , against G. K. ? Why are they so partial and hypocritical to pretend they had not time till now the 41. 4. mo . 92. for about 15 Months past ? Why did they not call and appoint an extraordinary Meeting of Friends , as they have formerly done upon a far less occasion , as when they presently called a Meeting at the House of Sam. Carpenter , to pass Judgment against the Publishing of the Rhode-Island-Sheet , called The Christian Faith , and against William Bradford for Printing it , tho he was warranted to print it by the desire of the mo . Meeting of Rhode-Island , which hath as great Authority to Print without them , as they here have to Print without those , unless they here will say , that Philadelphia is the Church of Rome , in America , as Sam. Jenings called it the Metropolitan , little considering that the Apostacy came in by such means . Secondly , Whereas they say , The Friends then present concluded of a Judgment in this matter , but were prevented of publishing the same by reason of G. K ' s. unruly Behaviour , and extream Passion , which corruptly broke up the said Meeting . But this is another place of their Hypocrisie , they should have said , if they would have said truly , what Judgment was given , ye were prevented of publishing of it by the unruly Behaviour , and proud and insolent Carriage , as well as unjust proceedings of Sam. Jenings and Arthur Cook , who would not suffer the Judgment given to be published , after G. K. was called into the Meeting , until G. K. should be tried for reviling his Brethren , which G. K. fervently and earnestly contradicted , crying out against their Injustice , and Arbitrary Method , contrary to the way of worldly Courts , in the like case , though some time after S. J. was pleased to say , That Courts allowed of Discount ; So that according to S. J. the Blasphemy of W. S. shall be discounted for , and set off , against G. K's . reviling his Brethren , if he had been guilty thereof , which they can never prove . And whether A. Cook was not guilty of extream Passion , who did in a Quarterly Meeting , whereof many can bear witness , pronounce a Curse against G. K. saying , George , thou hast made this Breach , and Wo be to thee from the Lord , and yet none of that Party reproved him for so doing ? Thirdly , Whereas they give their Judgment , That W. S. is reproveable , and blame worthy , for uttering the said words , viz. ( That G. K's . preaching Christ within and Christ without , was preaching two Christ's ) they being an Offence to many sound and tender Friends , and that he condemn the same . It doth plainly appear , that their Judgment is but a bare shadow , or formality of Judgment , rather than any substantial , effectual , weighty and sollid Judgment against him , which if it had been , they would have aggravated it with other words and expressions , and principally blamed him for his words of Unbelief and Blasphemy against the Son of Man , greatly offensive to God , but instead of that , they say , They being offensive to many sound and tender Friends : Why are they so severe to G. K. against whom they cannot justly charge any thing , either in Doctrine or Life , saying of him , He being a Man without the Fear of God before his Eyes , &c. Is it a greater Offence to them , that they are dishonoured , or that the worthy Name of Christ is dishonoured by an open denial of him , as W. Stockdale did , by saying , To preach Faith in Christ within , and Faith in Christ without , is to preach Two Christs ; for at this rate , Christ without is to him but a false Christ , and this to them is so small a fault , that to deny Christ without us , they will not say in their Judgment , it is an offence to God , but they say , It is an Offence to many sound and tender Friends ; Oh! great Hypocrisie , and want of Zeal to the Glory of God and Christ , though they are full of Zeal to their own Honour , that will stink , and doth already stink for this their great Partiality and Injustice , as well as their great Ignorance , Error and Unbelief ? Fourthly , But why do not the words of their Judgment run thus , That W. S. did say , to preach Faith in Christ without , and in Christ within was to preach two Christs , &c. but that they are guilty themselves of not having this Faith ; for not long ago , A. Cook questioned G. K. at a Mens Meeting , which many can witness , Where we did read in Scripture , that we are to believe in Christ within us , and in Christ without us ? And tho' of late , some of them say , they have a reverend esteem of Christ without , of his Death , Sufferings , Resurrection and Ascension , yet none of them preach it as a necessary matter of Salvation , to believe it , that ever we heard of , except John Delavall who hath of late changed his Faith , and got a far worse . And it cannot be supposed , that they hold Faith in Christ without them to be necessary to their Salvation , seeing many of them that belong to the Monthly Meeting , have given their Judgment , That the Light is sufficient to Salvation without something else , which is a plain excluding the Man Christ Jesus from having any part in our Salvation , and leaving him only the bare Name or Title of a Saviour ; and if so , then they had as good have wholly cleared W. S. Fifthly , It is great Confusion and Contradiction in these of that side , to condemn W. Stockdale , if they were in good earnest , and to clear Tho. Fitzwater ; for if the Man Christ Jesus be our real Saviour , and that his Death , Resurrection , Ascention and Mediation for us without us in Heaven , hath any part in our Salvation , then the Light doth not save us without somewhat else ; and therefore T. F. is guilty of Condemnation : But if T. F. be cleared , then the Man Christ without us is no real Saviour at all , and ought not to be preached , nor Faith in him , but only the Light within , and W. S. at this rate is in the right of it , and they have done ill to pass Judgment against him . I know no way to reconcile this , but to say their Judgment against W. S. is a Mock Judgment or show , without any Reality . Sixthly , They unjustly blame G. K. for not giving W. S. Gospel-Order , and take no notice how W. S. gave him no Order at all , either of Law or Gospel , accusing him falsly behind his back , without speaking to himself ; whereas G. K. gave him good Gospel Order , but that their Prejudice blinds them that they see it not . W. Stockdale gave not Offence to G. K. alone by himself , but to him in the presence of two others , that were with him ; and for what he had by hear-say from another , was no just grounds of Offence to him , until it was confirmed by W. S. himself , as it then was ; and therefore not being to him alone , it was no Transgression of Gospel Order , that he did not speak to him alone afterwards . But why should Sam. Jenings blame G. K. for not giving Gospel Order to W. Stockdale , when he knoweth in his Conscience , he never spoke to G. K. in private , by way of Admonition , before he again and again accused him to Friends of the Ministry for Reviling his Brethren , which is a false Accusation . Seventhly , That they blame him for calling W. Stockdale an Ignorant Heathen , he being , as they say , Elder in the Truth , and in Years . Then according to them , a man may be in the Truth , and a good Christian , and say , Christ without is not the True Christ , — but why is Heathen a bad Name ? for if every honest Heathen be a true Christian , as he is , according to that Principle held by their Monthly Meeting , That the Light is sufficient without the Man Christ ; and without the Faith of his Death , Resurrection , Ascension and Mediation , which is that something else than an honest Heathen is a true Christian ; and therefore by their own Principle , to be called a Heathen is no Reviling , and to be called Ignorant , is no Reviling , when a Man is so ; also , T. Lloyd hath argued much , both at the Yearly Meeting , and at the Mo. Meeting adjourned to the School-House , Than an honest Heathen was a Christian . And seeing harder Names have been given by some of best Note among Friends , to them that denied Womens Meetings , &c. and other lesser things belonging to the Skirts of Religion , having called them Incarnate Devils , Wretched Apostates , Wolves , Dogs , see * Judgment fixt , Pref. let all sincere Christians judge , whether they who deny the Lord , that bought them , deserve not much more sharp Reproof ? and yet no such Hard Names did G. K. give them . Given forth in Behalf of Themselves , and their Friends concerned with them in this Testimony ; and by Order of our Meeting , By George Keith , Thomas Budd THE END . ERRATA . PAge 10. line 9. for month , read mouth . l. 34. put out by . p. 11. l. 8. f. as , r. is . p. 13. l. 10. f. for , r. from . p. 14. l. 25. f. no , r. on . p. 21. l. 28. f. sorring , r. soaring . p. 23. l. 9. f. quiec , r. quiet . l. 16. f. 41. r. 4. l. 29. f. corruptly , r. abruptly . l. 30. f. place , 1. piece . p. 26. in the Margent f. Whited , r. Whitehead . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A47118-e360 * This J. S. and Arth. Cook are not only Preachers but also Justices . Notes for div A47118-e4980 * George Whited .