The Christianity of the people commonly called Quakers vindicated from antichristian opposition sincerely tendered in behalf of the aforesaid people and their ancient friends by some of them.
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The Christianity of the people commonly called Quakers vindicated from antichristian opposition sincerely tendered in behalf of the aforesaid people and their ancient friends by some of them.
Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723.
29 p.
Printed for Thomas Northcott,
London :
1690.
"I. In a serious examination of Doctor Ford's Preservative against Quakerism in a large fallacious scheme tendered by S.F. D.D., as he stiles himself, II. In a brief answer to Henry Osland's manuscript against the said people, III. In a brief consideration of an epistle directed to friends and brethren at their next general meeting in London, signed N.N. but no name to it."
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THE
CHRISTIANITY
OF
THE
PEOPLE
Commonly
Called
QUAKERS
,
Vindicated
from
Antichristian
Opposition
.
I.
In
a
serious
Examination
of
Doctor
Ford's
Preservative
against
Quakerism
;
in
a
large
fallacious
Scheme
Tendered
by
S.F.
D.D.
as
he
stiles
himself
.
II.
In
a
brief
Answer
to
Henry
Osland's
Manuscript
against
the
said
People
.
III.
In
a
brief
Consideration
of
an
Epistle
directed
to
Friends
and
Brethren
at
their
next
General
Meeting
in
London
.
—
Signed
N.N.
but
no
Name
to
it
.
Sincerely
Tendered
in
behalf
of
the
aforesaid
People
and
their
Ancient
Friends
,
by
some
of
them
.
Psal.
35.20
.
They
devise
Deceitful
Matters
against
them
that
are
Quiet
in
the
Land.
LONDON
,
Printed
for
Thomas
Northcott
,
in
George
Yard
,
in
Lombard
street
,
1690.
THE
CHRISTIANITY
OF
THE
PEOPLE
Commonly
called
QUAKERS
,
Vindicated
from
Antichristian
Opposition
.
In
a
serious
Examination
of
Doctor
Ford's
Preservative
against
Quakerism
;
in
a
large
Fallacious
Scheme
.
THE
Industrious
(
though
fruitless
)
Attempts
of
this
Profound
Doctor
(
as
he
would
be
esteemed
)
to
unchristian
or
rather
Antichristian
the
People
called
Quakers
,
especially
those
of
their
ancient
Friends
,
is
in
this
wise
Methodized
;
in
three
Columns
on
one
large
Sheet
,
small
Print
:
The
first
contains
a
Recital
of
a
Paper
,
Entituled
,
The
Christianity
of
the
People
commonly
called
Quakers
,
asserted
against
the
unjust
charge
of
their
being
no
Christians
;
writ
by
some
of
the
said
People
,
by
which
the
said
Doctor
S.F.
saith
,
They
seem
to
be
of
a
New
Edition
compared
with
the
Vnchristianity
,
or
rather
Antichristianity
of
their
ancient
Friends
,
as
he
unjustly
charges
them
in
his
Title
set
over
his
two
other
Columns
,
and
yet
in
contradiction
,
falsly
stiles
our
said
Paper
,
a
Partial
and
Fallacious
Scheme
of
their
Doctrins
.
Thus
his
Design
appears
malicious
and
uncharitable
to
endeavour
not
only
to
unchristian
,
but
to
antichristianize
an
Innocent
People
that
truly
fear
God
,
and
to
render
them
contradictory
to
their
Christianity
,
sincerely
asserted
by
them
.
And
,
whereas
contrary
to
the
Title
over
his
first
Column
,
which
is
,
The
Christianity
of
the
People
called
Quakers
;
over
his
second
and
third
,
he
has
put
the
Title
of
the
Vnchristianity
,
or
rather
Antichristianity
of
the
Quakers
ancient
Friends
.
Hereby
its
apparent
,
●●rst
,
That
all
those
Doctrins
are
by
him
rendered
Vnchristian
&
Antichristian
,
which
he
has
placed
under
the
same
Title
,
and
charg'd
the
Quakers
ancient
Friends
withal
in
his
two
last
Columns
.
Secondly
,
we
may
therefore
rationally
take
him
as
holding
the
contrary
,
and
need
give
the
less
Remarks
on
the
Particular●
,
where
his
Unchristian
Doctrins
and
Errors
appear
most
obvious
.
Thirdly
,
most
part
of
his
charges
are
but
what
some
of
our
old
Adversaries
and
Persecutors
have
enviously
and
blindly
Objected
,
(
which
long
since
are
answered
,
and
the
Truth
fully
clear'd
in
our
Friends
Books
)
whereby
he
seems
to
have
been
one
of
them
,
and
since
turn'd
about
from
his
Presbytery
to
the
now
Church
of
England
,
for
his
own
Interest
;
yet
retains
his
old
Enmity
.
And
why
is
he
now
in
's
old
Age
so
disturbed
and
angry
against
the
Quakers
?
What
's
the
matter
now
?
Is
he
afraid
to
lose
some
of
his
Benefactors
,
(
seeing
he
directs
his
Scheme
to
those
of
his
own
Neighbourhood
,
and
all
others
who
are
newly
made
or
endangered
to
be
made
Quakers
?
)
But
he
takes
not
the
Course
to
oblige
them
that
mean
honestly
by
his
abusing
an
innocent
People
in
Print
.
Fourthly
,
Many
Things
are
very
unfairly
and
partially
Cited
by
him
,
leaving
out
the
most
material
which
are
for
Explanation
of
the
Matters
charged
,
which
we
do
not
find
;
but
our
Friends
Books
themselves
(
which
he
quotes
)
sufficiently
and
plentifully
clear
.
Others
he
has
taken
upon
Trust
against
us
out
of
our
Adversaries
Books
,
without
any
impartial
Enquiry
what
we
could
say
for
our selves
,
or
representing
our
Answers
thereto
.
But
selfish
Temporizers
are
commonly
the
most
envious
,
and
apt
to
pervert
Truth
.
Now
let
's
examine
his
severe
charge
of
Vnchristianity
and
Antichristianity
against
the
Quakers
ancient
Friends
,
in
the
several
Instances
given
by
him
the
said
S.F.
D.D.
as
he
stiles
himself
,
that
we
may
see
what
contrary
Divinity
he
is
Doctor
of
.
Charge
1.
Is
against
our
deceased
Friend
Ed.
Burroughs
,
viz.
That
God
is
a
Spirit
,
not
distinct
nor
far
from
living
Creatures
;
for
in
him
they
live
,
move
,
and
have
their
Beings
.
Observation
.
The
Doctor
's
deeming
this
Antichristian
,
is
to
tell
us
,
he
believes
the
contrary
,
i.
e.
That
God
is
not
a
Spirit
,
That
he
is
far
from
living
Creatures
,
Distinct
(
or
divided
)
from
them
,
&c.
This
being
in
his
first
Charge
,
may
be
thought
to
be
his
Chief
;
but
his
Divinity
herein
is
expresly
contrary
to
the
Doctrin
of
our
Lord
Jesus
Christ
,
who
Testified
,
that
God
is
a
Spirit
,
Joh.
4.24
.
and
please
to
take
the
words
[
not
distinct
]
to
intend
not
divided
,
or
separate
as
E.B.
intended
,
and
has
explain'd
,
That
God
is
not
far
from
his
living
Creatures
;
and
we
see
no
Reason
to
render
this
Doctrin
of
God's
Omnipresence
,
either
Antichristian
or
Unchristian
,
but
him
to
be
both
,
who
so
renders
it
:
For
,
doth
not
God
fill
Heaven
and
Earth
with
his
Presence
,
and
uphold
all
Things
by
the
Word
of
his
Power
?
Jer.
23.24
.
Heb.
1.3
.
In
whose
hand
is
the
Soul
of
every
living
Thing
,
and
Breath
of
all
Mankind
,
Job
12.10
.
And
in
him
we
live
,
move
,
and
have
our
being
,
Acts
17.28
.
If
this
Doctor
had
either
known
God
,
or
his
Power
and
Omnipresence
truly
,
or
seriously
consulted
holy
Scripture
,
he
durst
not
have
rendred
such
Doctrin
either
Antichristian
or
Unchristian
.
Charge
ibid.
Against
E.B.
That
the
nature
and
glory
of
the
Elect
differs
not
from
the
nature
and
glory
of
the
Creator
:
The
Elect
are
one
with
him
,
enjoying
his
glory
,
&c.
Obs.
These
being
also
put
under
the
Title
Vnchristianity
,
or
rather
Antichristianity
,
we
may
take
this
Doctor
as
holding
the
contrary
,
i.
e.
That
the
nature
and
glory
of
the
Elect
,
differs
from
the
nature
and
glory
of
the
Creator
;
That
the
Elect
are
not
one
with
him
in
his
nature
,
that
they
enjoy
not
his
Glory
;
contrary
to
Christ's
own
Testimony
,
John
17.21
,
22
,
23.
That
they
all
may
be
one
,
as
thou
Father
art
in
me
,
and
I
in
thee
;
that
they
also
may
be
one
in
us
,
&c.
And
the
Glory
which
thou
gavest
me
,
I
have
given
them
,
that
they
may
be
one
,
as
we
are
one
;
I
in
them
,
and
thou
in
me
,
that
they
may
be
made
perfect
in
one
.
And
see
,
2
Pet.
1.4
.
That
by
these
you
might
be
Partakers
of
the
Divine
Nature
.
Tho'
we
be
Creatures
still
,
yet
by
the
work
of
God's
Grace
,
and
making
good
to
us
his
precious
Promises
,
we
are
in
some
measure
Partakers
of
his
Divine
Nature
,
being
Partakers
of
Christ
,
Heb.
3.14
.
and
so
far
united
unto
,
and
in
Union
with
him
,
and
is
not
this
divine
Nature
,
the
nature
of
the
Creator
?
Charge
2.
Against
our
ancient
Friends
,
G.F.
and
R.
Hubberthorn
.
Of
the
Soul
coming
from
God
,
and
returning
to
God
again
,
as
of
his
Being
,
&c.
And
E.
B's
saying
(
when
dying
)
Now
my
Soul
and
Spirit
is
Centered
into
its
own
being
with
God.
Obs.
Here
the
Doctor
has
unfairly
quoted
G.F.
upon
trust
,
leaving
out
what
's
most
material
,
both
Distinction
and
Explanation
about
the
Soul
or
Spirit
of
man
,
both
with
Relation
to
its
Creator
,
and
to
the
Creature
man
;
being
spoken
of
in
both
respects
by
our
Friends
.
1.
Where
G.F.
insists
on
the
Words
,
God
breathed
into
Man
the
Breath
of
Life
,
and
he
became
a
living
Soul.
It
was
to
this
Breath
of
Life
,
(
as
immediately
coming
from
God
)
that
our
Friends
Words
related
,
as
his
Question
plainly
shews
,
i.
e.
Was
not
that
of
God
,
and
of
his
Being
,
which
came
out
from
God
?
meaning
that
divine
Breath
,
or
Spirit
of
Life
,
by
which
Man
became
a
Living
Soul
,
and
from
whence
came
not
only
Man
's
natural
Breath
and
Life
,
but
also
his
spiritual
;
and
this
does
distinguish
between
the
divine
Being
,
and
the
Creature
Man
,
and
not
confound
their
Beings
.
And
for
the
Soul
or
Spirit
of
sanctified
Man
to
center
with
God
,
this
is
not
to
render
it
the
Being
of
God
,
or
God
himself
.
We
know
none
(
professing
the
true
God
and
Christ
)
so
grosly
absurd
as
to
say
,
That
Man
made
himself
,
or
was
his
own
Maker
,
Saviour
,
or
Redeemer
.
2.
Our
Friend
speaks
plainly
in
the
same
Book
quoted
against
him
;
Gr.
Myst.
Fol.
90
,
91
,
100.
That
the
Soul
should
be
subject
to
the
Power
of
God
;
that
Christ
is
the
Bishop
of
the
Soul
,
who
brings
it
up
into
God
,
the
Soul
being
in
Death
,
in
Transgression
,
Man's
Spirit
not
sanctified
,
&c.
This
could
not
intend
the
Being
of
God
,
for
that
never
sinned
,
though
there
be
something
thereof
in
the
Soul
,
even
in
that
reasonable
Soul
or
Spirit
of
Man
,
which
God
(
by
his
divine
Word
,
Breath
,
or
Spirit
)
formed
in
Man
,
Zech.
12.1
.
and
so
made
Man
a
living
Soul.
On
Jonathan
Clapham's
Authority
and
Report
,
R.
Hubberthorn
is
charg'd
by
this
credulous
Dr.
That
he
expresly
said
,
The
Soul
was
the
Being
of
God.
Quoting
R.H.
his
Truth
and
Innocency
,
and
Clapham's
Discovery
Epist.
to
the
Reader
for
proof
.
How
envious
and
unjust
is
it
thus
to
condemn
Persons
upon
report
of
their
Enemies
,
who
regard
not
Truth
,
but
revenge
and
perversness
,
as
in
this
?
We
find
not
in
all
R.H.
his
Answer
to
Clapham
,
any
such
Expressions
,
as
that
the
Soul
of
Man
was
the
Being
of
God
,
but
rather
the
contrary
,
yet
that
't
is
immortal
,
That
the
first
Man
Adam
was
made
a
Living
Soul
;
that
the
immortal
Life
in
the
Soul
came
from
the
same
Being
,
(
and
so
says
Clapham
,
that
the
Soul
came
indeed
from
God
and
is
Immortal
,
)
and
that
God
breathed
into
Man
the
Breath
of
Life
,
and
he
became
a
Living
Soul
;
that
the
Soul
is
to
be
watched
over
;
that
Peoples
Souls
are
to
be
redeemed
by
the
Blood
of
the
Lamb
,
raised
up
by
the
Power
of
God
,
out
of
Death
.
R.H.
his
Collect.
p.
30.38
.
How
can
the
Charge
before
stand
with
these
Passages
.
i.
e.
That
the
Soul
of
Man
should
be
the
Being
of
God
,
and
yet
to
be
watched
over
by
his
Ministers
;
redeemed
by
Christ
,
and
raised
up
by
his
Power
?
That
divine
Sense
which
he
hath
given
us
,
would
never
admit
us
so
to
confound
the
Being
of
the
Creature
,
with
the
Being
of
the
Creator
,
as
to
render
them
both
one
and
the
same
Being
.
For
though
the
Soul
of
Man
be
a
Spiritual
Being
,
it
is
not
God
nor
Christ
,
but
is
saved
by
him
.
This
Adversary
by
his
Instance
in
his
second
Charge
,
which
he
takes
upon
Trust
,
from
our
old
Adversary
Jonathan
Clapham
his
saying
,
that
R.H.
in
his
Book
against
Sherlock
,
p.
30.
brings
Phil.
2.5
,
6.
To
justifie
the
Quakers
Equality
to
God.
We
look
upon
this
Charge
to
proceed
from
meer
Malice
,
and
as
a
foul
Abuse
of
R.H.
his
words
;
for
the
same
Mind
that
was
in
Christ
,
to
be
in
us
,
Phil.
2.5
,
6.
was
in
respect
to
his
Humility
and
Obedience
.
There
's
no
mention
of
the
Quakers
Equality
to
God
in
R.H.
his
Answer
:
But
of
Christ
being
Equal
with
God
,
on
Phil.
2.5
.
See
his
Collect.
p.
34
Charge
3.
Against
W.P.
and
R.H.
about
the
Term
Trinity
,
That
God
is
the
Holy
One
,
&c.
That
few
are
so
blind
as
either
to
affirm
or
believe
that
there
are
three
Subsistences
,
and
but
one
Divine
Being
,
&c.
Obs.
Pray
where
is
the
Unchristianity
,
or
Antichristianity
here
?
If
he
believes
the
contrary
,
Viz.
That
God
is
not
the
Holy
One
,
that
there
are
three
Subsistences
(
or
Bottoms
)
in
the
one
Divine
Being
.
This
appears
not
to
us
either
consistent
with
the
Holy
Scriptures
,
or
good
Sense
,
See
Deut
6.4
.
Mark
12.29
,
32.
1
Joh.
5.7
.
Joh.
10.30
.
Besides
,
he
has
dealt
very
unfairly
in
this
Charge
,
taking
no
notice
either
of
the
Doctrin
opposed
by
our
Friend●
,
which
was
that
of
Three
distin●t
and
separate
Persons
in
the
God-head
,
(
which
we
do
not
find
their
own
Articles
of
Religion
will
warrant
,
)
nor
yet
of
their
Arguments
to
the
contrary
.
See
our
Friend's
Book
,
Divinity
of
Christ
;
yet
the
Dr.
grants
they
,
i.
e.
the
Quakers
,
seem
to
own
the
Thing
,
but
not
the
term
Trinity
(
he
might
have
added
)
of
separate
Persons
in
the
Deity
,
because
the
Father
▪
Son
,
and
Holy
Ghost
are
One
,
and
Inseparable
;
and
then
his
Sentence
or
Charge
against
us
,
is
,
because
we
are
not
satisfied
with
those
unscriptural
Terms
of
Trinity
,
of
Three
separate
Persons
or
Subsistences
in
the
God-head
,
and
reverently
profess
the
Father
,
Son
,
and
Holy
Spirit
in
the
words
which
the
same
Spirit
hath
taught
us
,
in
the
Holy
Scriptures
.
Thus
uncharitable
and
envious
some
of
the
Priests
have
appeared
against
us
to
condemn
us
as
no
Christians
,
because
we
could
not
in
point
of
our
Christian
Conscience
,
come
under
their
imposing
unscriptural
Terms
upon
us
,
whilst
they
cannot
deny
,
but
grant
that
we
own
the
Thing
(
or
Doctrin
)
intended
.
Charge
4
,
5
,
6
,
and
7.
Against
some
of
our
Friends
for
manifesting
their
Dislike
of
the
Terms
,
Human
Personal
Christ
,
and
that
he
took
to
himself
an
Human
Soul
,
and
some
Adversaries
terming
Christ
himself
an
Human
Body
,
and
some
Friends
asserting
the
Oneness
of
Christ's
Body
,
1
Cor.
12.20
.
and
his
Heavenly
manhood
,
and
Christ
as
but
one
in
all
his
Saints
.
Obs.
Here
again
the
Dr.
has
condemned
our
Friends
as
Unchristian
about
Unscriptural
Words
and
Terms
imposed
upon
us
,
whilst
we
deny
not
the
Thing
it self
;
namely
,
the
real
Manhood
of
Jesus
Christ
,
as
he
is
compleat
Man
;
the
Heavenly
Man
,
yet
his
Soul
Divine
,
and
Body
Heavenly
,
Spiritual
and
Glorious
.
And
cannot
the
Dr.
(
with
all
his
Learning
)
find
out
an
Oneness
between
Christ
in
Heaven
and
his
Members
on
Earth
?
and
between
his
Members
or
Church
on
Earth
,
and
his
glorious
Body
in
Heaven
,
so
as
to
admit
his
Body
in
the
fulness
of
it
in
Heaven
and
Earth
to
be
but
One
?
are
not
his
Members
in
spiritual
Union
with
him
?
1
Cor.
12.12
.
And
why
the
Man
should
either
Antichristian
or
Unchristian
any
of
our
Friends
,
because
they
think
the
Term
Human
too
low
to
give
to
the
Soul
of
the
Messiah
,
whilst
he
cannot
prove
it
so
termed
in
Holy
Scripture
,
we
are
yet
to
seek
?
He
still
imposes
without
Proof
or
Demonstration
,
as
if
his
own
bare
ipse
dixit
must
bear
us
all
down
.
But
note
by
the
way
,
that
our
Friends
questioning
the
Term
human
,
as
applied
to
Christ
,
or
to
the
Soul
of
Christ
;
is
still
in
honour
and
respect
to
Christ
,
they
taking
the
Term
as
originally
relating
to
the
Earth
of
which
Man
was
made
▪
and
not
opposing
it
simply
as
it
relates
to
Mankind
;
nor
questioning
Christ's
being
perfect
Man
in
Soul
,
Spirit
and
Body
,
as
well
as
God
over
all
,
in
respect
to
his
Divine
Power
and
Oneness
with
the
Father
;
but
being
the
Heavenly
Man
the
Lord
from
Heaven
,
the
Question
is
,
if
Human
be
not
too
low
a
Term
for
his
Soul.
Charge
8
,
and
9.
Against
our
Friends
,
E.B.W.P.
and
F.H.
1
st
.
For
asking
,
Where
dost
thou
Read
in
all
the
Scriptures
,
that
God
doth
require
satisfaction
for
the
Sins
of
the
Elect
?
or
laid
any
thing
to
their
Charge
?
2
ly
.
For
cautioning
against
saying
,
That
God
should
condemn
his
innocent
Son
,
that
he
having
satisfied
for
our
Sins
,
we
might
be
justified
by
the
Imputation
of
his
Righteousness
.
3
ly
.
And
against
F.H.
for
saying
,
You
are
only
talking
of
Christ
at
a
Distance
,
and
his
Righteousness
as
far
from
you
as
betwixt
Earth
and
Heaven
,
and
here
is
your
Justification
.
—
God●s
Righteousness
in
you
justifies
.
Obs.
Now
seeing
this
our
Adversary
has
put
all
these
Passages
under
the
Title
of
Unchristianity
and
Antichristianity
,
charged
on
the
Quakers
Ancient
Friends
;
May
we
not
justly
place
the
contrary
upon
him
,
that
his
Christianity
is
,
1.
That
God
requires
satisfaction
for
the
Sins
of
the
Elect
,
and
charge
them
,
2.
That
he
did
condemn
his
Innocent
Son
to
satisfie
Divine
Justice
for
our
Sins
,
and
to
justifie
us
by
the
Imputation
of
his
Righteousness
,
whilst
Christ
is
at
a
Distance
,
and
his
Righteousness
as
far
from
us
,
as
betwixt
Earth
and
Heaven
,
and
not
in
us
.
Now
first
observe
,
His
thus
excluding
Christ
Jesus
and
his
Righteousness
and
Justification
out
of
his
People
,
and
so
leaving
People
in
their
Sins
all
their
days
,
is
expresly
contrary
to
Holy
Scripture
Testimony
,
contrary
to
the
Righteousness
of
Faith
,
and
Testimony
thereof
;
say
not
in
thine
heart
who
shall
ascend
into
Heaven
(
that
is
,
to
bring
Christ
from
above
,
&c.
Rom.
10.6
,
7
,
8.
)
as
well
as
to
the
Nature
,
Intent
and
Tendence
of
Justification
,
Redemption
,
Pardon
and
Acceptance
with
God
in
Christ
Jesus
.
See
Rom.
8.33
.
Who
shall
lay
any
thing
to
the
Charge
of
God's
Elect
?
It
's
God
that
justifieth
,
and
1
Cor.
6.11
.
Such
were
some
of
you
,
but
ye
are
washed
,
but
ye
are
sanctified
,
but
ye
are
justified
in
the
Name
of
the
Lord
Jesus
,
and
by
the
Spirit
of
our
God
,
and
Heb.
13.20
,
21.
Where
the
Apostle
both
prayed
for
their
perfection
,
and
that
God
would
work
in
them
that
which
was
well
pleasing
in
his
sight
,
through
Jesus
Christ
our
Lord.
See
also
these
Scriptures
,
Isa.
26.12
.
and
ch
.
60.21
.
Psal.
32.1
,
2.
Rom.
4.6
.
and
ch
.
8.1
.
Titus
2.14
.
and
ch
.
3.3
,
4
,
5
,
6.
2
Cor.
13.5
.
Rom.
2.13
.
Heb.
3.14
.
2
ly
.
To
place
Man's
Justification
in
a
sinful
unjust
State
,
upon
such
a
kind
of
satisfaction
supposed
to
Divine
Justice
,
that
is
,
Vindictive
(
as
they
call
it
)
as
by
God's
condemning
his
Innocent
Son
to
undergo
his
Wrath
and
Punishment
,
due
to
the
Sin
of
the
World
in
the
Sinner's
stead
,
as
many
of
our
Opposers
hold
,
and
this
seems
to
be
of
the
same
Notion
;
This
is
to
justifie
the
Wicked
,
and
condemn
the
Just
,
which
to
do
is
an
abomination
to
the
Lord
,
Prov.
17.15
.
And
thus
to
render
the
most
dear
and
innocent
Son
of
God
,
the
Subject
of
his
Father's
Wrath
,
and
of
the
Execution
of
his
vindictive
Justice
,
to
indemnifie
Offenders
continuing
in
their
Sins
.
How
can
this
consist
either
with
Divine
Justice
it self
,
or
with
that
most
glorious
Union
,
Divine
and
Superlative
Love
that
is
and
ever
was
between
them
?
And
though
we
confess
Christ's
satisfaction
in
the
Sense
,
that
God
was
always
well
pleased
,
and
satisfied
in
his
dear
Son
,
in
all
he
wrought
and
suffered
for
Mankind
for
Man's
Redemption
;
yet
we
find
not
in
Scripture
,
that
ever
he
required
such
severe
and
rigid
Satisfaction
and
Payment
of
our
Debts
from
his
Son
in
our
stead
,
or
for
the
Sins
of
Men
,
and
thereby
to
acquit
,
pardon
and
justifie
the
Guilty
;
This
Notion
or
Term
Satisfaction
,
and
the
Understanding
of
it
is
confest
(
by
Dr.
Owen
)
to
depend
upon
some
Notion
of
Law
,
in
his
Declaration
and
Vindication
,
and
directly
opposed
and
argued
against
by
Dr.
Stillingfleet
,
now
Bishop
of
Worcester
,
in
his
Discourse
of
the
Sufferings
of
Christ.
Page
269
,
270
,
271
,
272
,
273
,
275.
For
he
saith
,
It
is
easie
to
observe
,
That
Socinus
his
Arguments
are
levell'd
against
an
Opinion
,
which
few
who
have
considered
those
things
do
maintain
,
and
none
need
to
think
themselves
obliged
to
do
it
,
which
is
,
that
Christ
pay'd
a
proper
and
rigid
Satisfaction
for
the
Sins
of
Men
,
considered
under
the
Notion
of
Debts
,
and
that
he
pay'd
the
very
same
which
we
ought
to
have
done
.
Charge
.
S.F.
In
his
9
th
.
Charge
again
,
takes
upon
Trust
Clapham's
Quotation
of
a
Book
Entitled
,
Saul's
Errand
to
Damascus
.
P.
8.9
.
In
these
words
,
viz.
Christ
in
the
flesh
,
with
all
that
he
did
and
suffered
therein
,
was
but
a
Figure
,
and
nothing
but
an
Example
.
Obs.
We
deny
these
words
as
a
plain
Abuse
,
Miscitation
and
Perversion
.
For
in
the
said
Book
of
Saul's
Errand
,
Christ
is
confest
as
both
the
Substance
of
all
Figures
,
Types
and
Shadows
,
and
Example
of
his
People
.
The
words
are
,
Christ
in
the
Flesh
without
them
is
their
Example
,
or
Figure
,
which
is
both
one
,
(
as
they
intended
who
so
writ
)
for
his
being
their
Example
,
1
Pet.
2.21
.
and
4.1
.
and
1.15
.
and
John
13.15
.
are
quoted
.
See
also
Luke
2.31
.
He
was
called
a
Sign
:
Now
hence
to
say
,
he
was
But
a
Sign
;
this
were
a
gross
Perversion
.
Christ
was
our
Example
,
Now
hence
to
say
,
he
was
nothing
else
,
is
an
Abuse
and
alters
the
Sense
,
as
our
Adversary
has
here
done
upon
Trust
,
condemning
our
Friends
as
Unchristian
,
&c.
upon
a
false
Report
,
which
is
besides
all
Justice
,
Morality
,
and
judicial
Proceedings
.
But
,
whether
the
Word
Figure
may
be
in
any
tollerable
sense
attributed
to
Christ
,
is
the
Question
.
We
find
in
some
sense
,
it
is
with
other
Words
of
like
Nature
,
and
some
meaner
Characters
are
given
to
him
,
as
not
only
Example
,
Figure
,
Form
of
a
Servant
,
Similitude
,
Habit
,
Image
,
&c.
but
he
was
said
to
be
made
Sin
and
a
Curse
for
us
,
though
he
knew
no
Sin
,
nor
ever
sinned
,
2
Cor.
5.21
.
Gal.
3.13
.
1
Pet.
2.22
.
His
Humiliation
,
Lowliness
,
and
suffering
for
us
,
did
not
hinder
him
of
his
most
excellent
Glory
and
Dignity
.
But
to
the
Point
in
Hand
;
in
Heb.
1.3
.
The
Son
of
God
is
said
to
be
〈◊〉
〈◊〉
〈◊〉
〈◊〉
〈◊〉
,
In
some
rendered
,
Figura
Substantiae
,
the
Figure
of
his
Substance
.
And
Phil.
2.6
,
7.
He
took
on
him
the
Form
of
a
Servant
,
where
〈◊〉
〈◊〉
〈◊〉
〈◊〉
〈◊〉
is
Form
or
Figure
;
and
he
was
made
LIKE
unto
Men
,
and
was
found
in
〈◊〉
〈◊〉
〈◊〉
〈◊〉
〈◊〉
Shape
or
Figure
of
a
Man.
See
the
difference
in
Crit.
Sacr.
and
the
Translation
of
the
Church
of
England
.
In
Phil.
2.7
.
Of
Christ
its
expresly
said
,
and
found
in
Figure
as
a
Man
,
as
Dr.
Fulk
against
the
Papists
has
it
.
He
was
also
said
to
be
made
of
a
Woman
,
made
under
the
Law
,
to
redeem
them
under
it
,
Gal.
4.4
.
He
was
Circumcised
,
presented
to
the
Lord
with
an
Oblation
,
Luke
2.21
,
24.
He
eat
of
the
Passover
,
&c.
and
thus
came
under
the
Law
to
fulfill
it
in
these
Things
which
were
figurative
and
shadowy
,
yet
was
the
Substance
and
End
of
them
.
Charges
10
,
and
11.
Against
an
Actual
keeping
of
the
Law
of
God
,
so
as
to
avoid
all
Sin
,
though
he
grants
,
such
a
Perfection
as
imports
Sincerity
,
Integrity
,
and
Constancy
in
our
utmost
endeavours
perfectly
to
keep
God's
Law
entirely
,
to
avoid
all
Sin
,
&c.
which
Perfection
he
confesses
to
be
requisite
to
Salvation
.
Yet
contrariwise
,
chargeth
one
of
our
Friends
for
saying
,
He
had
proved
by
manifest
Scriptures
,
that
some
were
perfect
in
this
Life
,
even
without
Sin
;
and
that
our
Sanctification
is
Christ
himself
,
1
Cor.
1.30
.
And
another
Friend
he
charges
for
saying
,
In
your
Vnbelief
,
you
judge
that
none
can
live
without
sinning
.
Obs.
Now
take
the
Doctor
as
believing
the
contrary
,
thus
,
viz.
Though
't
is
our
Duty
sincerely
to
use
our
utmost
endeavours
perfectly
to
keep
God's
Law
,
and
entirely
to
avoid
all
Sin
;
yet
none
were
ever
so
perfect
in
this
Life
without
Sin
;
and
that
our
Sanctification
is
not
Christ
,
and
that
't
is
our
belief
to
judge
,
that
none
can
live
without
sinning
.
Thus
faithless
is
this
great
Doctor
;
how
contrary
to
the
Faith
of
Christ
and
true
Christians
is
his
belief
herein
?
And
such
endeavours
for
such
a
Perfection
as
never
attain
it
,
but
still
fall
short
,
are
not
in
the
true
Faith
,
nor
so
sincere
as
they
should
be
;
for
Christ
said
,
Whatsoever
ye
ask
in
my
Name
,
believe
that
ye
shall
receive
it
,
and
the
same
shall
be
given
you
,
Mark
11.24
.
Luke
11.9
,
10
,
11
,
13.
John
14.13
,
14.
and
16
23.
Mat.
7.7
.
And
by
Faith
in
Christ
comes
the
Heart
to
be
purified
,
Acts
15.9
.
And
Christ
is
of
God
,
made
unto
us
Wisdom
,
Righteousness
,
Sanctification
,
and
Redemption
,
1
Cor.
1.30
.
And
blessed
are
the
undefiled
in
the
way
,
&c.
Psal.
119.1
,
2
,
3.
And
seeing
the
Son
of
God
is
manifest
for
this
very
purpose
,
to
destroy
the
Works
of
the
Devil
,
1
John
3.
Why
then
should
Sin
which
is
the
Devil's
Work
,
be
thus
Preach'd
up
or
contended
for
,
by
any
who
profess
Faith
in
Christ
Jesus
?
Their's
must
needs
be
a
faithless
Preaching
,
who
when
they
have
told
People
,
't
is
their
Duty
to
use
their
utmost
endeavours
entirely
to
avoid
all
Sin
,
yet
contrarywise
tell
them
,
That
none
can
live
without
sining
:
With
what
Faith
or
Sincerity
,
can
this
Man
,
or
any
of
his
Brethren
,
engage
Childrens
God-Fathers
and
God-Mothers
(
as
they
call
them
)
by
Promise
and
Vow
,
that
they
shall
forsake
the
Devil
and
all
his
Works
,
and
yet
endeavour
to
perswade
them
,
't
is
impossible
for
them
so
to
do
,
i.
e.
to
live
without
Sin
,
or
to
avoid
all
sinning
,
wherein
they
obey
the
Devil
,
and
do
his
Work
?
And
note
,
that
this
Doctor
S.F.
has
in
this
Point
also
contradicted
the
said
Doctor
Stillingfleet
,
his
now
Bishop
.
See
his
Sermon
Preach'd
before
the
King
,
March
▪
13.
1666
/
7.
Wherein
he
does
not
only
plead
,
and
argue
it
as
our
Duty
to
obey
God's
Laws
and
Commands
,
but
the
Possibility
thereof
,
through
the
Assistance
of
his
Grace
and
good
Spirit
,
against
them
who
charge
God
with
laying
impossible
Laws
upon
Mankind
,
&c.
and
puts
the
Question
,
What
then
is
wanting
,
but
only
setting
our selves
with
a
serious
obedience
to
them
,
to
make
his
Commands
,
not
only
,
not
impossible
,
but
easy
to
us
?
Now
,
that
this
Priest
S.F.
who
styles
himself
D.D.
has
apparently
contradicted
his
said
Bishop
;
the
Contradiction
being
between
the
Impossibility
and
Possibility
,
of
living
without
sining
,
or
avoiding
all
Sin
,
Charge
12.
Against
some
of
our
ancient
Friends
,
for
asserting
that
(
he
calls
)
main
fundamental
of
all
our
Religion
,
namely
,
The
Light
,
and
Christ
within
us
,
and
that
this
Light
is
in
its
own
being
,
no
other
than
God
himself
,
the
Christ
of
God
,
and
Saviour
of
the
World
,
the
living
Principle
of
God
,
of
the
Divine
Nature
,
&c.
Obs.
And
we
do
not
believe
this
to
be
either
Unchristian
or
Antichristian
,
as
he
has
rendered
it
by
his
Title
over
it
,
which
is
no
Proof
,
but
his
own
bare
Affirmation
and
Charge
,
wherein
he
imposes
still
;
we
preach
no
other
Light
but
what
is
Divine
,
of
the
divine
Nature
and
Being
,
and
manifest
by
degrees
in
us
.
God
is
Light
,
and
in
him
is
no
Darkness
at
all
,
and
hath
shined
in
our
Hearts
,
2
Cor.
4.6
.
1
John
1.5
.
And
Christ
saith
,
I
am
the
Light
of
the
World
,
he
that
followeth
me
,
shall
not
abide
in
Darkness
,
John
8.12
.
and
Chap.
12.46
.
And
he
saith
,
Believe
in
the
Light
,
that
ye
may
be
the
Children
of
the
Light
,
John
12.36
.
And
his
Apostles
Preached
,
not
only
Christ
as
without
,
but
also
Christ
as
within
,
in
Spirit
;
and
so
did
Christ
himself
,
John
14.20
.
and
15.4
.
and
17.23
.
2
Cor.
13.5
.
And
therefore
our
Adversary
is
far
out
,
and
shews
himself
Unchristian
in
opposing
such
ancient
Christian
Doctrin
,
as
this
of
the
divine
Light
,
and
Christ
within
,
&c.
Rendring
it
both
Unchristianity
and
Antichristianity
.
The
Lord
deliver
poor
Souls
from
such
ignorant
,
dark
,
and
unchristian
Preachers
and
Doctors
,
who
neither
know
the
holy
Scriptures
,
nor
Jesus
Christ
,
nor
his
divine
Light
,
or
power
of
God
within
them
.
Charge
13.
Is
about
the
Holy
Scriptures
;
that
one
said
,
They
are
not
the
Word
of
God
;
not
the
Rule
and
Guide
of
Faith
and
Life
to
the
Saints
,
but
the
Spirit
of
God
that
gave
them
forth
;
the
Covenant
of
Life
and
Peace
;
That
a
Man
may
lawfully
deny
the
Scriptures
to
be
the
Foundation
of
Faith
,
and
Rule
of
Life
,
&c.
That
another
Friend
said
,
Faith
is
the
Ground
of
the
Scriptures
,
and
of
the
Scriptures
the
Ground
of
Faith
,
&c.
(
With
more
of
like
Nature
in
his
Charge
,
elsewhere
Answered
,
and
Explain'd
in
our
Friends
Books
quoted
by
him
.
Obs.
Where
any
of
our
Friends
have
said
or
writ
such
things
,
it
was
so
far
from
undervaluing
or
slighting
the
Holy
Scriptures
,
that
the
matters
here
charged
as
unchristian
,
are
agreeable
to
the
very
Doctrin
of
Christ
,
and
his
Holy
Apostles
;
as
,
First
,
That
the
Word
of
God
is
Christ.
In
the
Beginning
was
the
Word
,
John
1.
His
Name
is
called
,
The
Word
of
God
,
Rev.
19.13
.
Secondly
,
That
the
Spirit
of
God
and
Christ
,
is
the
Saints
Guide
and
Rule
of
Faith
;
to
lead
and
guide
them
into
all
Truth
,
as
Christ
Jesus
promised
,
John
16
,
●3
.
Thirdly
,
That
Christ
is
the
Foundation
of
the
Saints
Faith
,
and
not
the
Scriptures
.
No
other
Foundation
can
any
Man
lay
,
than
that
which
is
laid
,
which
is
Christ.
Fourthly
,
That
Faith
is
the
Ground
of
the
Scriptures
,
and
not
the
Scriptures
the
Ground
of
Faith
,
is
very
plain
.
I
believed
,
and
therefore
I
have
spoken
,
Psal.
116.10
.
2
Cor.
4.13
.
And
there
were
many
true
Believers
before
the
Scriptures
were
writ
,
who
wanted
not
a
true
Foundation
or
Rule
.
'T
is
wonderful
strange
,
this
old
great
Doctor
should
represent
such
Doctrins
as
these
,
either
Antichristian
,
or
Unchristian
.
The
Lord
teach
him
better
,
and
humble
him
unto
Repentance
,
for
his
unchristian
and
uncharitable
Opposition
.
Charge
14.
Against
E.B.
for
saying
,
All
who
go
before
the
moving
of
the
Spirit
,
their
Prayers
,
Preaching
and
Ordinances
,
I
deny
,
&c.
We
own
the
immediate
Spirit
of
God
,
which
was
before
the
Scripture
was
written
,
to
be
the
Rule
of
our
Conversation
.
And
against
G.
Keith
,
viz.
We
are
to
wait
for
an
immediate
Call
,
Motion
,
&c.
to
preach
,
pray
,
or
give
thanks
,
and
forbear
till
it
be
given
.
Charge
15.
Against
being
infallibly
guided
by
the
infallible
Spirit
that
gave
forth
the
Scriptures
,
and
speaking
from
the
Mouth
of
the
Lord.
Charge
16.
Against
that
which
was
spoken
from
the
Spirit
of
God
,
in
any
,
being
of
as
great
Authority
as
the
Scriptures
,
(
or
greater
,
)
and
our
Friends
pretending
to
speak
or
write
,
by
one
and
the
same
Spirit
,
according
to
measure
,
by
which
Christ
,
and
the
Apostles
,
and
Prophets
spoke
.
Obs.
We
do
not
perceive
any
Antichristianity
or
Unchristianity
,
either
justly
chargeable
upon
these
Passages
,
but
rather
on
this
Doctor
,
for
so
judging
them
all
:
From
which
it
naturally
follows
,
1.
That
he
is
for
praying
and
preaching
,
before
,
or
without
the
moving
of
the
Spirit
of
God
,
and
so
runs
when
the
Lord
never
sent
him
,
contrary
to
the
true
Prophets
,
Christ
and
his
Apostles
Doctrin
,
and
Christians
Practice
,
Jer.
23.21
,
22.
1
Pet.
4.11
.
2.
He
does
not
own
the
immediate
Spirit
of
God
and
Christ
to
be
the
rule
or
guide
of
his
Conversation
,
contrary
to
Christ
and
his
Apostles
Doctrin
.
3.
Nor
waiting
for
any
immediate
Call
or
Motion
from
God
,
to
preach
,
pray
,
or
give
thanks
;
so
that
he
promotes
only
a
Will-Worship
,
which
God
never
accepts
.
4.
Though
we
always
confess
the
holy
Scriptures
of
the
old
and
new
Testament
to
be
given
by
divine
Inspiration
,
and
prefer
them
before
,
and
above
all
other
Writings
or
Books
,
and
in
no
wise
question
the
Truth
of
them
;
yet
we
must
needs
allow
the
holy
Spirit
(
from
whence
they
came
)
the
preference
,
and
its
immediate
Teaching
and
Speaking
in
the
Soul
,
as
of
greater
Efficacy
,
Power
,
and
Authority
to
that
Soul
,
than
the
bare
writing
or
Scripture
without
,
or
only
reading
thereof
,
though
it
contain
the
same
Words
immediately
taught
.
And
so
Christ
and
his
Apostles
living
and
powerful
preaching
,
in
and
from
the
powerful
motion
of
the
holy
Spirit
,
as
being
of
greater
Efficacy
,
Power
and
Authority
,
than
the
outward
Writing
or
Scripture
it self
,
simply
or
abstractly
considered
,
as
distinct
from
that
Spirit
,
tho'
the
Words
preached
,
and
the
Words
written
may
be
the
same
:
For
the
Gospel
as
livingly
preach'd
,
came
not
in
Words
only
,
but
also
in
Power
,
and
in
the
Holy
Ghost
,
1
Thess.
1.5
.
For
the
real
Authority
,
Efficacy
and
Service
,
the
Holy
Scripture
has
upon
a
Soul
,
is
from
the
holy
Spirit
,
or
Word
of
Life
,
giving
the
true
Belief
and
right
Understanding
thereof
.
But
we
may
suppose
,
that
our
Adversary's
Charge
in
this
Point
,
is
from
his
not
owning
the
immediate
teaching
of
God
,
or
preaching
by
the
immediate
motion
and
guidance
of
his
blessed
Spirit
in
these
days
,
but
only
by
Tradition
;
his
Acquirement
,
by
reading
and
study
of
other
Mens
Works
and
Lines
,
made
ready
to
his
Hand
;
and
therefore
,
that
he
wants
divine
Power
,
Authority
and
Efficacy
in
's
Ministry
:
And
then
he
might
be
more
ingenuous
to
lay
aside
his
Trade
of
Preaching
,
and
leave
the
People
to
read
the
Holy
Scriptures
,
without
his
meanings
,
or
private
Interpretations
upon
them
.
Charge
17.
In
this
he
accuses
our
Paper
,
asserting
our
Christianity
with
a
Tedious
and
Obscure
Harangue
,
under
pretence
of
enjoying
the
spiritual
Part
of
Baptism
,
and
the
Lord's
Supper
;
but
neither
Refutes
nor
Answers
what
we
have
writ
in
that
Case
,
both
of
our
Christian
Experience
,
and
agreeableness
to
holy
Scripture
;
so
the
less
notice
need
be
taken
of
his
Charge
against
our
Friends
,
for
Asserting
the
Baptism
of
the
Holy
Ghost
.
Charge
ibid.
And
that
the
Bread
and
Wine
being
no
other
than
a
Figure
of
a
spiritual
Thing
,
which
is
the
Substance
,
which
being
witnessed
,
the
Figure
or
Shadow
is
not
obliging
,
being
ended
,
i.
e.
In
the
New
Covenant
.
Charge
18.
Against
some
of
our
Friends
,
telling
them
,
That
they
set
up
their
Carnal
Ordinances
,
in
Christ's
stead
,
calling
them
their
Means
,
and
not
witnessing
the
immediate
Appearance
of
Jesus
Christ
in
their
Souls
,
drawing
them
in
his
Life
and
Testifying
against
the
beggarly
Rud●ments
of
the
World
,
and
their
Carnal
Observances
.
Obs.
What
more
than
a
Figure
does
this
Doctor
suppose
the
Bread
and
Wine
which
they
minister
to
be
in
the
Sacrament
so
called
?
Does
he
think
them
to
be
the
Substance
,
which
is
Christ
?
If
not
,
then
't
was
very
unadvisedly
and
uncharitably
done
to
charge
our
Friends
,
as
Antichristian
or
Unchristian
either
in
this
Point
for
calling
the
outward
Elements
of
Bread
and
Wine
,
&c.
A
Figure
only
,
as
Protestant
Martyrs
esteemed
them
.
Vid.
Dr.
Cranmer
Disp.
at
Oxford
,
&c.
3.
v.
Mar.
In
opposition
to
the
Papists
affirming
them
to
be
the
Substance
Christ.
Let
him
therefore
tell
us
what
he
esteems
them
,
if
not
a
Figure
.
For
the
Spiritual
Substance
is
Christ
,
he
is
that
One
Bread.
John
6.
1
Cor.
10.
and
his
Spiritual
Baptism
is
The
one
Baptism
,
Ephes.
4.
and
in
him
the
Shadows
and
Figures
are
ended
.
Charge
19.
About
the
Resurrection
,
That
W.P.
said
,
To
assert
the
same
Body
that
falls
shall
rise
,
is
incons●stent
with
Scripture
,
Reason
,
&c.
And
against
another
Friend
for
saying
,
The
Seed
of
God
is
hid
in
thee
,
&c.
Obs.
He
having
not
wherewithal
justly
to
charge
us
with
denying
the
Resurrection
it self
,
for
that
we
never
did
,
but
always
believed
it
,
of
both
the
Just
and
Unjust
,
and
that
they
shall
come
to
Judgement
every
Man
for
himself
.
Now
our
Friends
are
charged
because
they
believe
a
Spiritual
Resurrection
in
opposition
to
their
Adversary's
asserting
a
Carnal
or
Sameness
of
Bodies
to
rise
;
wherein
this
Adversary's
Charge
reflects
upon
the
Apostle's
Testimony
in
this
Case
,
as
well
as
on
our
Friends
as
Unchristian
;
For
the
Apostle
answers
such
Fools
Questions
,
by
way
of
Allusion
plainly
,
—
And
that
which
thou
sowest
,
thou
sowest
not
that
Body
that
shall
be
,
&c.
God
giveth
it
a
Body
as
it
pleaseth
him
,
and
to
every
Seed
his
own
Body
.
There
is
a
natural
Body
,
and
there
is
a
spiritual
Body
▪
1
Cor.
15.
ch
.
and
35
,
36
,
37
,
44
,
Verses
,
&c.
Which
is
no
other
than
what
our
Friends
believe
and
hold
.
Charge
20.
Of
Christ's
second
coming
to
Judgment
against
this
Question
,
i.
e.
Where
proves
he
that
Christ's
second
coming
without
Sin
to
Salvation
,
is
a
Personal
Coming
?
Obs.
And
where
proves
he
that
it
is
Unchristian
to
ask
such
a
Question
to
any
that
holds
it
?
Or
that
Christ's
second
coming
without
Sin
unto
Salvation
mentioned
,
Heb.
9.28
.
is
called
in
Scripture
,
A
Personal
Coming
?
This
he
should
have
prov'd
before
he
had
assumed
the
Charge
of
Unchristian
or
Antichristian
,
against
any
of
our
Friends
for
such
a
plain
question
.
See
what
the
Scripture
saith
,
Heb.
9.28
.
Christ
was
once
offered
to
take
away
the
sins
of
many
,
and
unto
them
that
look
for
him
shall
he
appear
the
second
time
without
sin
unto
salvation
.
They
who
then
looked
or
waited
for
Christ's
Appearance
the
second
Time
to
their
Salvation
,
surely
were
not
disappointed
of
their
Hope
and
Expectation
in
him
;
For
he
did
spiritually
appear
to
their
Salvation
to
save
,
and
set
them
free
from
Sin.
See
Tit.
2.
Charge
last
.
Of
the
Judgment
it self
,
and
Heaven
and
Hell.
1.
Against
Wm.
Dewsbury
.
For
saying
,
Mind
the
Light
in
thy
Conscience
,
and
it
will
bring
thee
to
Judgment
and
the
Righteous
law
,
and
the
Book
will
be
open'd
in
thee
,
wherein
thou
shalt
see
all
thou
hast
done
;
and
give
account
for
every
idle
word
,
and
the
Law
will
cut
thee
down
,
and
cast
thee
into
Hell
,
where
is
weeping
and
wailing
for
want
of
the
Presence
of
God.
2.
And
then
the
Dr.
addeth
.
Mr.
Jonathan
Claphan
taxeth
the
Quakers
,
that
they
granted
no
local
Heaven
or
Hell
,
none
but
what
is
now
within
Men.
3.
And
that
R.
Hubberthorn
,
in
a
Book
in
answer
to
Mr.
Clapham
,
called
Truth
and
Innocency
,
spends
many
li●es
in
proof
,
that
there
is
something
of
Heaven
and
Hell
felt
here
,
which
Mr.
Clapham
denied
not
.
Obs.
1.
For
Men
to
mind
the
Light
of
Christ
in
their
Consciences
,
this
is
no
Unchristianity
,
but
their
Duty
,
even
to
believe
in
the
light
,
and
walk
in
it
,
John
12.35
,
36.
—
This
Divine
Light
of
Christ
,
and
Law
of
God
in
the
Heart
(
if
minded
,
)
will
discover
and
reprove
all
evil
Deeds
,
and
bring
the
evil
doer
to
Judgment
,
and
to
feel
Condemnation
and
Sentence
of
Death
,
Tribulation
and
Anguish
upon
the
Soul
,
the
Terrors
of
the
Lord
,
and
Sorrows
and
Pains
of
Hell
in
some
degree
,
because
of
Sin
and
Iniquity
,
that
through
Judgment
men
may
be
prepared
for
Mercy
.
No
true
Christians
will
count
these
(
being
their
manifest
experiences
)
either
Antichristian
or
Unchristian
.
2.
The
Charge
he
has
from
our
Old
Adversary
Jonathan
Clapham
against
the
Quakers
,
is
not
true
,
i.
e.
That
they
grant
no
Heaven
nor
Hell
,
but
what
is
Now
within
Men.
For
we
really
believe
that
the
Righteous
shall
know
and
enjoy
more
of
Heaven
hereafter
,
than
now
they
do
here
in
this
Life
,
though
they
have
the
earnest
thereof
here
.
And
that
the
Wicked
shall
know
more
of
Hell
hereafter
,
than
now
;
Yet
some
degree
or
earnest
thereof
many
feel
before
they
go
hence
,
as
Tribulation
,
Anguish
and
Terror
comes
upon
them
,
and
they
receive
in
themselves
the
Recompence
of
their
Error
.
3.
To
his
Charge
of
granting
No
local
Heaven
or
Hell
,
we
know
no
ground
for
it
.
If
by
Local
he
means
Place
,
we
grant
to
what
the
Scripture
saith
,
i.
e.
Hear
thou
in
Heaven
thy
dwelling
Place
,
1
Kings
8.30
.
And
Dives
being
in
Hell
in
Torments
calls
it
this
Place
of
Torment
,
Luke
16.28
.
4.
That
there
's
something
of
Heaven
and
Hell
felt
here
,
is
certainly
true
;
Our
Conversation
is
in
Heaven
,
Phil.
●3
.
20
.
This
was
experienced
by
true
Christians
,
who
were
made
to
sit
together
in
Heavenly
Places
in
Christ
Jesus
,
Ephes.
2.1
.
And
did
not
David
feel
something
of
Hell
,
when
he
said
,
The
Terrors
of
Death
compassed
me
,
and
the
Pains
of
Hell
took
hold
on
me
,
Psal.
116.3
?
See
also
,
Psal.
18.5
.
and
49.15
.
and
86.13
.
But
1
st
.
what
does
the
Dr.
mean
by
Local
Heaven
and
Hell
?
2
d.
Whether
there
are
not
more
Heavens
and
Hells
than
One
?
Else
what
means
the
Heaven
of
Heavens
?
and
the
Lowest
Hell
,
1
Kings
8.27
.
Deut.
32.22
?
3
d.
Whether
Hell
be
always
spoken
of
or
intended
in
Scripture
as
a
limited
Place
?
as
where
it
is
said
,
H●ll
hath
enlarged
her self
,
and
open'd
her
Mouth
without
measure
,
Isa.
5.14
.
And
Hell
beneath
is
moved
for
thee
to
meet
thee
at
thy
coming
▪
Isa.
14.9
.
And
Death
and
Hell
w●re
cast
into
the
Lake
of
Fire
,
Rev.
20.14
.
God
has
no
doubt
prepared
Degrees
of
Punishments
,
and
the
Limitations
thereof
suitable
to
the
Degrees
of
Wickedness
,
which
the
Finally
impenitent
and
wicked
are
justly
condemn'd
for
.
II.
Henry
Osland's
abusive
and
insulting
Manuscript
examined
and
briefly
answered
.
HEnry
Osland
,
saith
,
Few
in
these
parts
knew
them
,
(
the
Quakers
)
sooner
than
I
did
some
years
ago
,
and
then
so
far
as
I
could
judge
,
their
Religion
was
composed
of
some
Pagan
,
some
Popish
,
and
some
Christian
Points
of
Doctrin
.
Ans.
This
is
a
blind
Charge
without
distinguishing
,
which
he
calls
Pagan
,
and
which
Popish
points
,
and
we
deny
his
Judgment
against
us
.
H.O.
They
then
held
—
The
Christ
that
dyed
at
Jerusalem
,
was
a
Christ
without
,
but
the
Christ
within
was
all
in
all
.
Ans.
This
is
a
false
Charge
,
as
if
they
held
two
Christ's
,
whereas
they
own
but
one
and
the
same
Christ
,
who
died
and
rose
again
,
and
ascended
,
&c.
and
is
revealed
within
,
was
and
is
Spiritually
in
the
Saints
their
Hope
of
Glory
,
1
Cor.
15.8
.
2
Cor.
13.5
.
Col.
1.27
.
H.O.
They
denied
the
Resurrection
of
the
Body
.
Ans.
This
is
a
false
Charge
also
,
the
Resurrection
was
never
denied
by
us
.
H.O.
You
cannot
perswade
some
of
us
that
you
own
Christ
for
your
Lord
and
Lawgiver
,
and
the
Scriptures
.
Ans.
That
's
because
of
your
prejudice
,
envy
and
unbelief
;
we
own
Christ
for
our
Lord
and
Lawgiver
nevertheless
.
H.O.
I
hear
not
that
you
baptize
any
with
Water
,
Young
or
Old.
Ans.
We
have
no
Scripture
for
sprinkling
Infants
,
nor
commission
to
baptize
Believers
any
more
than
Paul
had
,
1
Cor.
1.17
.
H.O.
On
Acts
10.47
.
Can
any
Man
forbid
Water
,
&c.
Had
there
been
any
Quakers
there
,
they
would
have
forbid
the
Water
.
Ans.
That
's
more
than
he
knows
what
they
would
have
done
at
that
Time
and
Occasion
.
H.
O
Perhaps
you
will
say
that
this
is
of
the
same
Nature
,
as
the
other
Signs
,
and
Shadows
,
and
Figures
,
which
were
of
a
decreasing
Nature
.
Ans.
Water-Baptism
is
confest
to
be
an
outward
and
visible
Sign
,
and
it
was
but
a
Shadow
or
Figure
of
a
decreasing
Nature
,
for
so
John's
was
.
H.O.
Hath
not
our
Lord
promised
his
Presence
,
and
to
be
with
us
to
the
End
of
the
World
,
that
use
and
are
sound
in
his
Ordinances
?
Go
,
saith
he
,
Teach
and
Baptize
,
and
I
will
be
with
you
.
Ans.
1.
The
Lord
is
with
his
Ministers
that
preach
freely
,
not
with
the
Covetous
,
nor
with
Hirelings
,
who
make
a
Game
and
Trade
of
their
Preaching
.
2.
Christ
mentions
not
Water
in
his
Commission
—
but
Teach
,
Baptizing
them
into
the
Name
,
〈◊〉
〈◊〉
〈◊〉
〈◊〉
〈◊〉
of
the
Father
,
Son
and
Holy
Ghost
.
H.O.
Pray
tell
me
who
can
Baptize
with
the
Spirit
,
Is
it
not
John
's
Work
,
or
any
Man's
,
or
Christ's
Work
alone
?
Read
Matt.
3.11
,
12.
Ans.
It
is
Christ's
Work
to
baptize
with
the
Spirit
,
to
convert
,
to
save
,
&c.
Yet
his
Ministers
attended
with
his
Power
and
Presence
are
instrumental
therein
,
even
in
Spiritual
Baptism
,
as
well
as
the
Conversion
of
Sinners
.
H.O.
Other
Christians
sit
under
these
Ordinances
with
great
delight
,
and
they
are
sweet
to
their
Taste
.
Answ.
The
converted
Souls
great
Delight
,
and
the
Fruit
that
's
sweet
unto
the
Taste
thereof
,
is
in
sitting
under
the
Shadow
of
her
Beloved
,
and
partaking
of
his
Living
,
and
pleasant
Fruit
,
Cant.
2.3
.
H.O.
You
do
not
own
Christ
for
your
Lord
and
Law-giver
,
and
the
Scriptures
for
his
Law
,
seems
plain
to
us
,
in
that
you
Communicate
not
in
the
Body
and
Blood
of
Christ
at
the
Table
,
as
other
Christians
do
.
Answ.
We
both
sincerely
own
Christ
for
our
Lord
and
Law-giver
,
and
the
holy
Scriptures
,
and
do
communicate
with
all
spiritual
Christians
at
the
Table
of
the
Lord
,
where
we
livingly
partake
of
Christ
that
one
living
Bread
from
Heaven
,
and
the
Cup
of
Blessing
,
which
only
can
,
and
doth
comfort
,
strengthen
and
nourish
our
Souls
to
eternal
Life
,
as
we
daily
in
his
Light
do
wait
upon
him
.
H.O.
On
Acts
4.8
.
and
13.9
.
These
had
then
Christ
within
them
,
and
yet
they
sat
down
at
the
Supper
,
Acts
2.4
.
Others
fill'd
with
the
Spirit
of
Christ
,
yet
came
together
to
break
Bread
,
1
Cor.
10.16
.
and
11.26
.
Paul
gives
them
Directions
,
&c.
Answ.
It
s
not
question'd
,
that
they
who
receiv'd
the
Word
and
believed
,
mentioned
in
Acts
2.
did
continue
in
Fellowship
,
and
breaking
of
Bread
,
and
daily
in
the
Temple
;
and
breaking
Bread
at
home
,
did
eat
their
Meat
together
,
with
gladness
and
singleness
of
Heart
,
(
which
we
truly
own
)
but
also
,
they
had
all
things
common
,
they
sold
their
Possessions
and
Goods
,
and
parted
them
to
all
Men
,
as
every
one
had
need
.
And
that
the
Disciples
came
together
to
break
Bread
,
Acts
20.7
.
But
the
Question
is
,
1.
Whether
,
because
these
Things
were
done
by
Believers
then
,
they
must
be
practised
by
the
Church
of
Christ
as
long
as
the
World
lasts
;
if
so
,
why
are
they
not
all
?
Are
all
their
Temporary
Practices
,
Commands
?
If
so
,
why
do
not
the
present
Priests
and
Professors
sell
their
Possessions
,
and
divide
them
,
and
have
all
things
common
?
2
And
whether
Christ's
Practice
as
to
the
Bread
and
Cup
,
and
Passover
in
his
Supper
,
Luke
22.
was
therefore
an
Institution
injoyn'd
by
him
to
be
observed
,
and
practised
in
his
Church
while
the
World
lasts
?
Christ
took
,
brake
,
and
gave
them
Bread
,
and
Fish
likewise
,
after
he
was
risen
,
Luke
24.30
.
John
21.13
.
But
we
find
not
that
he
imposes
these
as
a
Sacrament
,
or
perpetual
Institution
,
to
be
allways
observed
in
his
Church
.
3.
And
Paul
having
recited
Christ's
Practice
,
says
to
the
Corinthians
,
As
oft
as
ye
eat
this
Bread
,
and
drink
this
Cup
,
ye
shew
the
Lord's
Death
till
he
come
,
1
Cor.
11.26
.
Was
this
an
universal
and
perpetual
Command
to
the
Church
?
Or
,
was
it
not
fulfilled
in
Christs
COMING
,
which
those
very
Corinthians
waited
for
,
1
Cor.
1.7
.
and
4.5
.
and
which
coming
of
Christ
,
they
had
then
great
need
of
,
to
remove
and
end
the
Strifes
,
Divisions
,
Carnality
,
Drunkenness
,
Sleepiness
,
and
Disorders
among
them
,
1
Cor.
3.3
.
and
11.21
,
30
?
We
farther
seriously
ask
,
1.
If
the
outward
Bread
and
Cup
were
not
figurative
visible
Signs
,
or
Shadow
of
something
more
excellent
?
2.
If
outward
Types
,
Figutes
and
Shadows
,
be
not
of
a
decreasing
and
vanishing
Nature
?
3.
What
perpetual
Command
and
Necessity
is
there
of
the
Shadow
to
continue
,
the
Substance
being
come
and
manifest
in
Christ's
Church
?
4.
Is
not
Christ
the
Sum
and
Substance
,
and
end
of
all
outward
Shadows
,
Types
and
Figures
;
and
the
Bread
of
Life
from
Heaven
,
the
spiritual
Meat
and
Drink
of
every
sanctified
Soul
?
5.
Is
not
the
inward
Living
,
and
spiritual
Enjoyment
of
Christ
,
and
our
being
truly
partakers
of
Christ
,
far
more
excellent
than
the
outward
Observation
of
the
Shadow
,
to
put
us
only
in
remembrance
of
him
?
6.
If
the
coming
of
our
Lord
Jesus
Christ
in
Spirit
and
Power
,
and
his
Members
and
Saints
spiritual
Communion
with
him
,
their
eating
and
drinking
at
his
Table
,
in
his
Kingdom
,
Luke
22.16
,
30.
and
partaking
with
him
of
his
spiritual
Supper
,
or
supping
with
him
,
Rev.
3
20.
do
not
fully
answer
and
fulfill
the
end
of
the
Figures
and
Shadows
,
as
being
a
far
more
excellent
Dispensation
?
Shew
us
any
Thing
figurative
or
shadowish
mentioned
in
Scripture
,
that
we
cannot
shew
the
substance
thereof
under
the
same
Term
or
Title
.
7.
Can
any
Bread
,
Cup
,
or
Wine
give
Life
unto
,
or
nourish
the
Soul
unto
Eternal
Life
?
then
that
which
is
spiritual
,
the
Bread
of
Life
,
and
Wine
of
the
Kingdom
of
Christ
,
even
the
same
Bread
and
Wine
,
in
Wisdom's
House
,
Prov.
9.5
.
Pray
,
seriously
consider
these
Questions
,
for
they
are
serious
,
and
to
us
of
concern
.
H.O.
Say
they
(
i.
e.
the
Quakers
)
That
Christ
enlightens
every
Man
that
comes
into
the
World
:
I
told
them
,
that
was
with
the
Light
of
Nature
.
Answ.
Where
proves
he
that
Light
of
Christ
in
every
Man
,
John
1.9
.
is
but
the
Light
of
Nature
?
By
what
Scripture
proves
he
this
?
when
't
is
expresly
said
,
In
him
was
Life
,
and
the
Life
was
the
Light
of
Men
,
John
1.4
.
which
rather
proves
it
a
divine
and
spiritual
Light
,
for
that
Life
that
was
in
Christ
the
Eternal
Word
,
was
the
Light
of
Men.
Can
this
be
the
Light
of
Nature
?
How
great
is
the
Darkness
of
such
Preachers
who
so
teach
?
H.O.
That
you
do
not
own
Christ
for
your
Lord
and
Teacher
,
you
do
not
own
the
Ministry
of
such
men
who
are
lawfully
called
,
set
apart
by
such
as
have
lawful
Authority
in
the
Church
.
It
is
plain
in
Scripture
,
Christ
gave
some
Apostles
,
some
Prophets
,
and
some
Evangelists
,
&c.
for
the
perfecting
of
the
Saints
,
&c.
Answ.
The
first
part
charged
against
us
,
is
not
true
;
we
do
own
Christ's
Ministry
and
Ministers
sent
by
him
,
who
are
gifted
and
qualified
for
the
Work
of
his
Ministry
;
but
such
Ministers
as
were
never
called
,
gifted
,
nor
qualified
by
Christ
,
but
made
and
authorized
only
by
Men
,
and
who
deny
any
immediate
Call
or
Revelation
from
Christ
in
these
Days
,
and
who
in
their
Preaching
,
oppose
Perfection
and
living
without
sinning
in
this
Life
;
such
we
do
and
shall
deny
,
and
testifie
against
.
H.O.
Are
all
Apostles
,
are
all
Prophets
?
What
,
may
every
Man
or
Woman
speak
in
the
Church
?
Oh
no.
Answ.
Though
all
are
not
such
,
yet
if
the
Spirit
of
the
Lord
be
upon
them
to
speak
or
prophesie
,
as
he
has
promised
,
Jo●l
2.
that
's
not
to
be
limited
nor
quenched
;
Ye
may
all
prophesie
one
by
one
,
1
Cor.
14.31
.
And
there
were
Women
among
them
,
Chap.
11.5
.
Therefore
the
Prohibition
to
their
Women
,
1
Cor.
14
.
34·
was
not
General
,
nor
comprehending
all
States
and
Attainments
of
Christian
Women
,
nor
yet
to
make
void
that
Prophecy
,
Joel
2.28
,
29.
nor
to
hinder
godly
Women
(
gifted
and
qualified
)
from
their
Duty
of
being
Teachers
of
good
things
,
Titus
2.3
.
H.O.
Take
heed
to
thy self
,
and
thy
Doctrin
,
continue
in
them
,
1
Tim.
4.15
,
16.
That
is
,
be
constant
in
Preaching
,
no●
in
your
Study
one
day
,
and
at
Plow
the
next
.
Answ.
There
were
better
and
more
effectual
Preachers
,
who
were
Plow-men
,
Shepherds
,
Herds-men
,
Fishermen
,
&c.
1
Kings
19.19
.
Amos
1.1
.
and
7.14
.
Mat.
4.18
,
19.
John
21.7
.
1
Cor.
4.12
.
than
you
,
who
by
the
help
of
your
acquired
Arts
,
and
Learning
,
contrive
and
study
Sermons
,
and
fill
your
Heads
out
of
other
Men's
Books
,
and
Authors
,
instead
of
waiting
upon
God
for
Light
and
Understanding
in
divine
Matters
.
The
true
God
is
not
limited
,
he
teacheth
the
Plowman
Discretion
,
and
is
more
felt
and
known
by
an
honest
Plowman
at
his
Plow
,
than
by
a
corrupt
Priest
in
his
Study
or
Closet
,
setting
his
Imaginations
at
work
,
filling
his
Head
with
Notions
,
out
of
other
Mens
Works
,
and
Lines
made
ready
to
his
Hand
.
H.O.
Where
is
your
Presbytery
?
Who
lays
on
Hand
?
Who
sets
apart
among
you
?
Who
is
set
apart
to
the
Work
?
I
know
them
not
.
Answ.
We
have
true
and
faithful
Ministers
among
us
,
called
and
set
apart
by
Christ
Jesus
,
and
owned
and
approved
of
by
faithful
Elders
in
Truth
,
and
the
Church
of
Christ
,
though
they
do
not
come
under
the
Hands
of
your
Presbytery
.
H.O.
Some
say
,
John
Payton
of
Dudley
speaks
sometimes
,
yea
,
and
the
Women
often
talk
in
your
Churches
;
an
hour
together
,
is
this
your
Christianity
?
Ans.
Good
Christian
Women
to
whom
God
has
made
good
his
promise
,
Joel
2.28
,
29.
may
be
required
of
him
sometime
to
speak
among
his
People
in
Humility
and
Godly
Fear
,
and
be
no
worse
nor
less
Christians
for
that
:
There
were
Prophetesses
and
Godly
Women
in
the
days
of
the
Holy
Prophets
,
and
among
the
Primitive
Christians
,
who
were
also
Teachers
of
good
things
.
H.O.
When
you
turn
Quakers
you
forsake
all
Fellowship
and
Communion
with
all
other
People
whatsoever
.
Is
this
a
part
of
your
Christianity
?
&c.
Is
this
Obedience
to
the
Apostles
Doctrin
,
forsake
not
the
assembling
of
your selves
together
?
Ans.
Israel
shall
dwell
alone
,
and
not
be
numbred
among
the
Nations
;
the
Lord
's
peculiar
People
are
a
chosen
People
,
called
and
chosen
out
of
Kindreds
,
Tongues
and
People
,
and
must
be
separate
from
the
unclean
.
God
has
called
and
gathered
us
by
his
Arm
of
Power
out
of
all
empty
Professions
,
and
to
turn
away
from
all
such
as
have
a
Form
of
Godliness
,
but
deny
the
Power
;
from
all
the
proud
and
covetous
hireling
oppressing
Priests
and
Teachers
made
by
the
Will
of
Man.
And
we
are
required
to
assemble
our selves
,
inwardly
to
wait
upon
and
Worship
God
in
Spirit
and
Truth
,
distinct
and
separate
from
them
who
are
,
—
But
formal
outside
traditional
Worshippers
.
H.O.
You
will
have
no
Communion
with
any
other
above
ground
or
below
:
you
have
in
Stowerbridge
a
constant
able
ancient
profitable
Preacher
,
able
to
divide
the
Word
aright
in
the
publick
Assembly
,
—
you
have
also
others
in
the
licensed
House
,
that
preach
Truth
there
frequently
.
Ans.
If
this
his
able
ancient
Preacher
at
Stowerbridge
be
Dr.
Ford
,
who
he
pleads
for
,
and
the
same
S.F.
D.D.
who
has
printed
the
perverse
,
fallacious
and
abusive
Scheme
to
prove
our
ancient
Friends
unchristian
and
antichristian
;
And
if
the
Preachers
in
the
licensed
House
(
he
talks
of
)
be
such
as
H.
Osland
himself
,
we
have
but
very
poor
Encouragement
to
go
to
hear
or
learn
of
either
,
because
of
the
Envy
and
Abuse
of
the
one
,
and
the
Ignorance
of
the
other
.
H.O.
But
you
have
built
you
a
Fabrick
to
binder
from
attending
at
either
.
Ans.
Our
Meeting
House
or
New
Fabrick
,
as
he
calls
it
,
is
one
Cause
of
Dr.
Ford's
,
and
H.O.
his
present
Envy
,
and
perverse
Scribling
against
us
;
they
envy
our
Liberty
and
Prosperity
,
and
have
now
begun
the
Quarrel
with
us
,
to
misrepresent
and
defame
us
,
which
shews
a
partial
persecuting
Spirit
in
them
;
which
is
far
from
either
a
true
Christian
Spirit
,
or
State
of
Saints
.
H.O.
What
are
there
no
Christians
,
no
Saints
in
either
?
Are
ye
the
only
called
and
chosen
?
How
went
the
Spirit
and
the
Grace
of
God
by
the
other
Assemblies
,
to
sit
down
with
you
?
Ans.
This
Question
is
much
like
that
of
Zedekiah
the
false
Prophet
to
Micaiah
the
true
,
when
he
had
smote
him
on
the
Oheek
,
Which
way
went
the
Spirit
of
the
Lord
from
me
to
speak
unto
thee
?
1
Kings
22.24
.
But
this
was
no
proof
against
the
true
Prophet
,
nor
for
the
false
;
and
as
poor
an
Argument
for
H.O.
against
the
Quakers
.
H.O.
Must
you
be
Christians
,
because
you
deny
the
Communion
of
Saints
?
Ans.
A
false
Charge
,
the
Communion
of
Saints
(
which
is
Spiritual
,
)
we
never
denied
,
but
are
come
in
measure
into
it
through
the
Power
and
Goodness
of
our
God
in
Christ
unto
us
.
H.O.
Doth
the
Preaching
of
Dr.
Ford
,
and
our
hearing
of
him
,
unfit
us
for
Fellowship
with
you
?
Or
our
hearing
a
young
lively
Non-conformist
?
Ans.
Which
does
he
prefer
here
as
,
better
Preacher
?
the
Learned
Dr.
or
Lively
Non-conformist
,
by
this
distinction
?
His
thus
pleading
for
hearing
Dr.
Ford
,
the
Parish-Priest
at
the
publick
Assembly
or
Parish-Church
(
so
called
,
)
or
a
young
lively
Non-conformist
(
as
he
calls
him
)
at
the
licenced
Meeting
House
does
bespeak
such
an
indifference
between
Conformity
and
Non-conformity
,
as
thereby
he
has
at
once
given
away
,
and
betrayed
the
Cause
of
all
consciencious
Non-conformists
and
Dissenters
into
the
Hands
of
their
Persecutors
and
Adversaries
,
so
as
to
give
them
occasion
the
more
to
insult
and
persecute
,
if
they
have
opportunity
.
But
we
hope
all
that
are
conscientious
and
mean
honestly
,
will
see
and
refuse
such
Indifferency
,
such
Insincerity
,
such
Medly
,
such
Neutrality
and
Hpocrisie
,
as
this
Lukewarm
Temporizer
and
Hypocrite
has
here
pleaded
for
.
His
zealous
Brethren
of
the
Presbytery
of
Scotland
,
&c.
would
not
endure
such
his
Indifferency
and
detestable
Neutrality
,
as
being
a
Violation
of
their
solemn
League
and
Covenant
,
which
it
seems
he
has
dispensed
with
.
H.O.
Doth
the
Preaching
of
John
Payton
,
and
such
as
he
,
make
you
only
Saints
,
or
is
it
the
Preaching
of
the
Women
?
Ans.
These
are
but
silly
Scoffs
and
Flouts
from
a
proud
and
scornful
Spirit
,
and
prove
nothing
against
us
;
we
are
a
Religious
People
who
conscientiously
dissent
both
from
the
Parish
Priests
,
and
such
Linsy-woolsey
Temporizers
as
himself
;
and
doubt
not
but
the
Lord
has
inspired
,
and
rais'd
up
and
made
better
and
more
powerful
Preachers
,
probably
some
poor
industrious
Men
(
and
Women
)
than
himself
or
his
said
Dr.
ever
were
.
H.O.
Nay
you
will
have
no
fellowship
with
us
in
the
Bowels
of
the
Earth
,
you
will
not
sleep
with
us
in
the
Dust
;
for
you
have
many
Grave-Yards
up
and
down
.
Ans.
What
sad
Complaint
is
this
?
what
Cause
has
he
for
it
?
what
great
hurt
do
we
do
them
in
not
burying
our
Dead
with
them
?
surely
none
at
all
;
they
have
the
more
room
then
.
And
't
is
no
new
thing
to
purchase
Burying
Places
,
some
of
the
Holy
Ancients
have
been
presidential
in
that
Case
.
See
Gen.
23.4
,
11.
and
49.30
.
and
50.13
.
H.O.
Now
your
Belief
of
God
and
Christ
,
and
other
good
things
you
express
in
your
Paper
,
prove
you
only
Christians
in
part
,
but
not
that
you
are
compleat
in
him
.
Ans.
'T
is
well
he
has
granted
us
Christians
,
so
far
as
to
our
Belief
of
God
and
Christ
,
and
other
good
things
.
And
then
is
not
this
our
Belief
in
God
and
Christ
,
the
principal
Part
of
Christianity
,
from
whence
the
other
Parts
of
Christianity
gradually
and
naturally
follow
,
as
the
good
Effects
and
Fruits
of
Faith
in
God
and
Christ
,
where
there
is
a
Continuance
in
that
Living
,
Divine
and
Christian
Faith
,
which
worketh
by
Love
into
a
Compleatness
or
Perfection
in
Christ
,
which
we
believe
in
him
is
attainable
?
but
so
do
not
they
who
preach
against
perfection
,
and
believe
not
a
Possibility
for
any
on
Earth
to
keep
from
sinning
,
and
therefore
such
are
greatly
defective
as
to
Faith
and
Christianity
.
Pray
,
which
are
the
best
Christians
?
they
who
believe
in
Christ
unto
Salvation
from
Sin
,
that
they
may
be
compleat
in
Christ
,
or
they
who
believe
not
unto
any
such
Salvation
or
Compleatness
?
H.O.
You
deny
the
Ancient
Christian
Rule
[
a
Falshood
still
]
and
the
great
Commands
of
the
Gospel
,
[
i.
e.
Water
baptizm
and
breaking
of
Bread.
]
Ans.
Nay
,
the
great
Commands
of
the
Gospel
,
which
are
required
both
in
the
Law
and
Gospel
are
,
Thou
shalt
love
the
Lord
thy
God
with
all
thy
heart
,
&c.
and
thou
shal
love
thy
Neighbour
as
thy self
.
These
are
the
two
great
and
lasting
Commandments
,
Matt.
22.37
,
38
,
39.
Luke
10.27
.
Where
proves
he
that
the
other
are
so
,
or
that
they
were
perpetual
Commands
of
the
Gospel
?
Let
's
have
plain
Scripture
proof
.
H.O.
Your
Paper
has
sham'd
you
in
the
Eye
of
the
World
,
which
discovers
you
to
be
half
Christians
at
the
beast
,
and
the
lest
in
the
Nation
.
Ans.
No
such
matter
,
his
Charge
is
unjust
still
,
we
find
no
Cause
to
be
asham'd
of
our
Paper
,
nor
has
it
sham'd
us
.
It
has
had
kind
Reception
and
Approbation
by
wiser
and
greater
Persons
,
and
of
more
honesty
than
H.O.
himself
;
and
wherein
is
our
half
Christianity
only
?
Is
it
in
our
Faith
in
God
by
Jesus
Christ
,
attended
with
a
sober
Godly
and
Christian
Conversation
?
what
then
is
the
other
half
of
Christianity
omitted
by
us
?
does
it
consist
in
observation
of
the
outward
Elements
?
does
Christianity
consist
in
Shadows
,
or
in
Life
and
Substance
?
Surely
the
Kingdom
of
God
and
of
his
Christ
,
and
the
Life
of
Christianity
in
the
New
Covenant
,
consists
not
in
Meats
nor
Drinks
,
nor
divers
Washings
(
or
Baptizings
)
or
carnal
Ordinances
,
as
the
Old
Covenant
did
,
Heb.
9.10
.
but
far
excels
the
State
of
the
first
Covenant
.
His
Charge
that
we
are
the
least
(
i.
e.
Christians
)
in
the
Nation
;
Is
to
tell
us
that
the
Drunkards
,
Swearers
,
Lyars
,
Whoremongers
,
Extortioners
,
&c.
in
the
Nation
,
(
being
entituled
Christians
by
their
Baptism
,
)
are
better
Christians
than
the
sober
People
called
Quakers
:
But
this
we
can
never
believe
.
H.O.
These
are
not
to
begin
a
Quarrel
with
you
,
[
and
yet
't
is
really
a
Quarrel
begun
with
us
;
]
but
to
acquaint
you
with
some
of
your
Defects
,
&c.
And
also
to
entreat
you
of
Stowerbridge
,
to
go
to
Dr.
Ford
,
an
able
Minister
,
he
will
direct
you
to
obey
the
whole
Will
of
God.
Ans.
When
will
this
Parasite
cease
his
temporizing
Flattery
,
and
false
Insinuations
?
How
can
he
be
such
an
able
Minister
,
teach
us
the
whole
Will
of
God
,
when
he
opposeth
immediate
revelation
,
Preaching
and
Praying
by
the
immediate
Spirit
of
Christ
and
Motion
thereof
?
How
then
proves
he
,
or
H.O.
either
,
his
Call
to
preach
?
We
do
not
believe
him
to
be
a
Minister
sent
by
Christ
,
or
in
the
Steps
of
Christ's
Ministers
,
who
preached
freely
as
they
had
freely
received
.
Does
S.
Ford
,
and
H.O.
preach
freely
,
without
either
Tythes
or
forced
Maintenance
,
Lucre
or
Gain
of
Mony
,
or
Rewards
for
Preaching
?
Dare
they
say
they
are
free
from
Coveteousness
,
Pride
and
Envy
?
And
why
did
not
Symon
Ford
clear
himself
in
answer
to
D.
Wills
his
Queries
sent
to
him
at
Northampton
,
in
the
year
1662
,
about
his
changing
or
wheeling
about
with
the
Times
,
his
publick
Confession
,
his
one
while
preaching
openly
against
the
Common-Prayer
,
another
while
reading
it
?
Whether
the
same
Spirit
or
the
same
God
could
lead
him
in
both
?
or
whether
filthy
Lucre
did
not
too
much
sway
him
?
If
the
said
S.
Ford
has
not
yet
answered
those
Queries
,
we
could
heartily
wish
him
seriously
to
consider
how
he
can
in
good
Conscience
answer
them
to
God
and
Man
,
for
they
are
remarkable
Queries
,
and
pinching
in
Point
of
Conscience
,
and
worthy
of
serious
Notice
.
But
being
somewhat
large
,
wee
'l
at
present
forbear
to
insert
them
all
here
;
yet
know
not
what
we
may
do
hereafter
,
if
the
said
S.
Ford
(
who
has
begun
the
Quarrel
against
us
,
)
will
not
yet
please
to
study
to
be
quiet
,
and
carry
it
peaceably
towards
his
quiet
honest
Neighbours
called
Quakers
;
if
he
will
yet
enviously
scrible
and
print
more
perverse
Stuff
against
us
,
to
abuse
and
render
us
odious
to
the
Nation
;
we
have
more
to
say
to
him
,
and
it
's
not
his
Empty
Title
,
D.D.
shall
excuse
him
or
his
Advocate
H.O.
either
;
but
we
hope
in
the
Name
of
the
Lord
our
God
to
clear
our
Consciences
as
in
his
sight
,
and
vindicate
his
blessed
Truth
against
all
Falshood
,
and
Hypocrisie
.
And
moreover
,
we
can
make
it
appear
,
That
Dr.
Ford
in
his
Charge
of
Vnchristianity
and
Antichristianity
against
the
Quakers
;
(
so
called
)
has
contradicted
his
Exposition
of
the
Church
Catechism
in
divers
Points
.
And
that
therein
he
teaches
his
Hearers
the
very
same
things
which
he
has
condemn'd
,
as
the
Antichristianity
of
the
Quakers
Ancient
Friends
;
which
manifest
self-contradiction
is
at
present
reserved
for
a
further
Opportunity
.
III.
A
Brief
consideration
of
an
Epistle
directed
to
Friends
and
Brethren
,
at
their
next
general
Meeting
in
London
.
WHEREAS
this
pretended
Brother
,
(
or
rather
envious
Libeller
)
near
the
Beginning
pretends
,
That
,
because
he
would
not
do
any
thing
that
looks
like
making
or
keeping
up
differences
at
this
Time
,
when
all
English
Men
should
be
united
against
the
common
Adversary
;
he
resolves
not
,
to
print
two
large
Epistles
,
(
he
has
writ
)
directed
as
this
Paper
of
his
is
,
Viz.
To
the
Friends
and
Brethren
at
their
next
general
Meeting
in
LONDON
,
yet
near
his
Conclusion
threatens
,
That
if
we
do
not
protest
against
the
Errors
they
implead
,
&c.
He
intends
ere
long
to
publish
them
.
To
all
which
we
say
,
1.
That
if
he
publish
them
,
he
'll
publickly
discover
his
Contradiction
to
himself
,
and
his
own
fair
Pretence
,
not
to
do
any
thing
that
looks
like
making
or
keeping
up
differences
.
2.
That
he
's
one
guilty
of
that
great
Abomination
,
of
sowing
discord
among
Brethren
,
(
what
he
can
.
)
3.
His
great
Envy
,
Malice
and
Falshood
,
and
also
forgery
in
Fact
,
against
some
of
our
Friends
,
may
plainly
be
evinced
,
which
at
present
we
wave
.
4.
That
seeing
he
feigns
himself
our
Friend
and
Brother
,
in
directing
to
us
as
Friends
and
Brethren
;
He
is
a
false
Brother
then
,
who
Judas
like
would
betray
and
expose
our
ancient
Friends
and
Brethren
,
to
publick
Reproach
and
Persecution
,
which
is
the
Tendence
of
his
perverse
Work
against
us
.
5.
Though
he
highly
applauds
G.
Keith
,
and
Robert
Barcley
,
especially
,
G.K.
in
opposition
to
several
of
their
and
our
ancient
Friends
,
and
Brethren
,
i.
e.
R.H.
Ja.
Parnell
,
E.B.
W.D.
I.N.
G.F.
G.W.
W.P.
T.
Speed
,
&c.
The
first
Five
being
deceased
.
And
we
have
cause
to
assure
our selves
,
that
both
G.
Keith
,
and
R.B.
would
abominate
this
false
Brother's
Attempt
to
make
Divisions
between
them
,
and
their
ancient
Brethren
,
divers
whereof
are
gone
,
and
have
laid
down
their
Head
in
Peace
.
And
as
to
his
giving
these
Commendations
of
G.K.
as
agreeing
with
them
,
i.
e.
Protestants
in
this
important
Truth
of
the
Divine
Word
,
assuming
the
true
Nature
of
Man
in
Soul
and
Body
into
an
immediate
Vnion
,
&c.
That
Jesus
Christ
is
true
and
perfect
God
,
and
true
and
perfect
Man
,
&c.
very
largely
and
fully
,
&c.
[
All
which
Truths
we
firmly
believe
and
own
.
]
But
(
says
the
false
Brother
,
)
Others
in
as
great
Repute
among
us
,
as
G.K.
clearly
contradict
him
,
[
which
we
do
not
believe
,
]
Whereupon
we
solemnly
declare
,
that
we
find
nothing
asserted
by
G.K.
and
R.B.
where
rightly
cited
,
but
we
really
own
in
the
matter
,
and
intent
thereof
;
as
about
the
Holy
Scriptures
,
the
Word
,
the
blessed
THREE
in
Heaven
,
Christ's
Divinity
,
and
Manhood
,
Body
Sufferings
,
&c.
And
also
we
do
not
find
,
but
what
our
Ancient
Friends
have
written
in
these
Points
,
are
reconcilable
to
the
other
,
upon
a
fair
and
rational
,
or
charitable
Interpretation
of
their
true
Intentions
,
and
Meanings
,
and
taking
due
and
serious
Notice
of
the
Tenor
and
Import
of
what
they
writ
upon
each
Subject
,
without
mangling
or
curtailing
,
as
this
and
other
Adversaries
are
apt
to
do
,
where
any
things
seem
to
oppose
or
vary
as
to
some
Terms
or
Expressions
;
no
doubt
,
they
may
be
easily
reconciled
by
the
Authors
,
i.
e.
some
of
our
Ancient
Friends
,
and
G.K.
and
R.B.
though
many
cannot
so
learnedly
express
their
Minds
and
Meaning
as
they
.
Howbeit
this
false
Brother
,
N.N.
who
seeks
Division
and
Discord
among
Brethren
,
feignedly
pretends
to
defend
G.
Keith
,
and
the
Protestant
Churches
against
G.F.
E.B.
and
others
;
and
says
that
G.K.
owns
as
fully
as
they
can
desire
,
the
Doctrin
intended
by
the
Word
TRINITY
,
which
(
he
says
)
they
contend
not
for
,
but
the
Doctrin
intended
;
the
Truth
of
the
thing
it self
we
deny
not
,
says
G.K.
That
these
THREE
are
one
in
Nature
and
Substance
;
yet
Three
otherwise
than
by
mere
Name
,
Operation
or
Manifestation
,
&c.
Being
distinct
in
their
relative
Modes
and
Properties
,
G.K.
and
R.B.
are
for
us
,
(
says
he
)
and
hopes
some
of
us
are
of
their
Mind
;
and
so
far
we
may
very
well
be
call'd
Protestant
Quakers
,
—
and
says
,
God
forbid
,
that
we
or
the
major
part
of
us
should
approve
such
as
say
they
are
Prophets
,
but
are
not
,
but
have
said
and
done
such
things
as
are
not
to
be
named
among
Christians
or
Men.
By
these
partial
Insinuations
this
false
Brother
would
still
render
us
a
divided
People
;
and
some
who
are
esteem'd
as
Ministers
of
Christ
among
us
,
very
suspicious
and
odious
.
Though
we
know
no
reason
to
disown
or
protest
against
either
W.D.
E.B.
R.H.
I.
P
.
G.W.
W.P.
or
the
rest
named
by
him
,
(
because
he
has
reviled
and
abused
them
as
no
Protestants
,
)
nor
to
disown
our
Friends
G.K.
or
R.B.
whom
he
pretends
to
defend
,
for
we
have
a
true
,
tender
and
Christian
esteem
of
both
,
even
of
them
all
,
and
of
their
Christian
Testimonies
,
and
innocent
Conversations
and
Sufferings
for
Christ.
The
Author
of
the
Libel
,
or
false
Brother
,
condemns
many
things
he
neither
answers
nor
refutes
.
He
supposes
Contradiction
in
Matters
reconcilable
.
He
reproaches
the
Dead
whom
he
did
not
answer
nor
confute
when
Living
.
One
principal
Contradiction
supposed
is
this
Title
of
a
Paper
,
i.
e.
Certain
Papers
,
which
is
the
Word
of
the
Lord
;
and
yet
may
not
the
Scripture
be
so
called
?
We
say
such
a
Title
to
any
Paper
or
Writing
is
improper
;
[
from
the
word
]
should
be
,
instead
of
[
which
is
the
word
]
we
shall
not
stand
by
the
said
Title
as
't
is
worded
without
such
Amendment
.
Yet
charitably
think
it
was
worded
contrary
to
the
intent
and
meaning
of
the
Author
;
for
Paper
and
Ink
cannot
be
the
Word
of
the
Lord
,
nor
can
the
Eternal
Word
be
contained
therein
.
Yet
that
Word
hath
and
may
immediatly
move
upon
the
Spirits
of
some
to
speak
and
write
,
and
that
's
our
case
.
The
words
cited
against
G.W.
and
others
,
Thus
,
Viz.
and
here
thy
Antiquity
,
thy
Reasons
,
(
and
[
about
]
the
3
Persons
thou
dreamest
of
,
which
thou
wouldst
divide
out
of
one
like
a
Conjurer
,
)
are
all
denyed
,
and
thou
with
them
,
(
i.
e.
his
dark
Reasons
and
Imaginations
,
)
shut
up
in
perpetual
Darkness
,
&c.
G.W.
positively
disowns
the
Words
*
,
and
affirms
they
are
none
of
his
,
and
that
he
writ
not
that
part
of
the
Answer
to
Townsend
†
,
(
which
was
about
the
Year
1654.
)
yet
looks
on
the
words
as
wrong
writ
or
wrong
printed
,
and
that
he
raced
them
out
,
or
corrected
them
long
since
,
where
he
has
met
with
that
Answer
.
For
instead
of
[
and
the
3
Persons
,
]
it
should
have
rather
been
[
about
the
3
Persons
.
]
And
G.W.
shall
neither
stand
by
,
nor
own
those
words
as
charged
;
after
he
see
them
in
Print
,
he
was
sorry
his
Name
was
to
that
Paper
without
distinction
between
what
he
writ
,
and
what
he
did
not
write
in
it
,
wherein
those
words
are
which
give
the
Occasion
.
Let
this
Advertisement
clear
G.W.
and
others
,
and
suffice
w●ry
charitable
and
ingenuous
Reader
,
as
we
hope
it
will.
And
now
seeing
this
false
Brother
has
so
much
commended
Geo.
Keith
,
and
Robert
Barcley
as
to
their
Soundness
in
Doctrin
,
&c.
We
say
there
is
matter
sufficient
in
their
Books
in
Vindication
of
the
Doctrins
,
Principles
and
Christian
Religion
of
the
People
called
Quakers
;
which
if
this
false
Brother
should
oppose
,
he
'll
run
into
further
self-contradiction
against
them
,
he
has
so
highly
applauded
.
Besides
his
Misquotations
,
uncharitable
and
unjust
Reflections
and
Falshoods
(
here
omitted
)
and
his
wicked
Attempts
to
sow
Discord
,
cause
Divisions
and
Contentions
among
Brethen
;
he
most
unfairly
picks
and
nibbles
here
and
there
at
our
Friends
Books
and
Words
,
taking
them
in
Pieces
,
Bits
and
Scraps
here
and
there
,
leaving
out
the
stress
and
explanatory
Part
of
the
Matter
in
divers
things
,
we
could
evince
:
And
thus
't
is
possible
for
a
disingenuous
Person
to
do
by
the
best
of
Writings
.
And
lastly
,
Whereas
this
false
Brother
would
hear
whether
we
would
protest
against
the
Errors
his
Letters
implead
,
&c.
Yet
neither
tells
us
his
Name
,
nor
Residence
,
nor
how
to
direct
to
him
,
nor
who
this
N.N.
is
that
's
subscribed
to
his
Letters
,
nor
what
religious
Society
he
belongs
to
;
we
have
more
to
say
or
write
to
him
for
his
better
Information
,
if
we
knew
his
Name
and
where
he
lives
to
direct
to
him
,
and
we
should
not
be
unwilling
to
subscribe
our
Names
to
such
Defence
as
we
have
Cause
to
make
in
Truths
,
and
our
own
behalf
;
for
we
are
only
defensive
in
these
Controversies
,
which
this
and
other
obscure
and
sculking
Adversaries
have
begun
against
us
the
peaceable
People
called
Quakers
,
now
in
a
Time
of
Liberty
and
Freedom
from
open
Persecution
;
which
is
an
Indication
that
these
secret
peevish
Smiters
do
secretly
envy
our
present
Liberty
,
and
therefore
are
in
the
same
persecuting
Spirit
with
our
open
Enemies
and
Persecutors
.
This
N.N.
should
come
forth
like
a
Man
,
and
discover
himself
,
that
some
of
us
whom
he
has
accused
might
have
some
friendly
Discourse
with
him
,
which
probably
might
tend
to
his
Convincement
and
better
Satisfaction
,
if
not
obstinately
set
to
oppose
.
For
hitherto
he
lurks
,
he
smiteth
privily
in
the
Dark
,
he
sitteth
in
the
lurking
Places
to
murther
the
Innocent
,
he
skulks
privily
to
shoot
at
the
Vpright
in
heart
,
like
the
wicked
;
If
he
would
be
plain
and
let
us
know
how
and
whither
to
direct
to
him
by
his
right
Name
,
it
would
give
us
Opportunity
to
let
him
hear
more
particularly
from
us
;
till
then
excuse
our
Brevity
.
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,
and
Sold
by
Thomas
Northcott
,
in
Georgh-Yard
,
in
Lombard-street
.
RObert
Barclay's
Apology
for
the
true
Christian
Divinity
,
as
the
same
is
held
forth
,
and
Preached
by
the
People
called
in
scorn
Quakers
;
being
a
full
Explanation
and
Vindication
of
their
Principals
and
Doctrins
,
&c.
G.
Keith's
Way
to
the
City
of
God
,
—
His
Way
cast
up
,
and
the
Stumbling-blocks
removed
,
—
His
fundamental
Truths
of
Christianity
,
—
His
true
Christ
owned
,
as
he
is
true
God
and
perfect
Man
,
—
His
Rector
corrected
,
—
His
Truths
Defence
.
G.
Fox
the
Younger's
Collections
.
E.
Bathurst's
Truth
's
Vindication
.
G.
F's
.
Heavenly
Salutation
,
—
His
true
Christian
distinguished
from
the
false
.
A
Narrative
concerning
Grace
Watson's
Death
.
Abigal
Fisher's
Salutation
of
true
Love.
Buds
and
Blossoms
of
Piety
,
with
some
Fruit
of
the
Spirit
of
Love
,
and
Directions
to
the
Divine
Wisdom
.
Mankind
Displayed
,
or
the
History
of
the
Little
World
;
being
curious
Collections
out
of
the
best
Authors
,
of
the
most
wonderful
and
remarkable
Things
,
that
have
been
performed
by
Men
and
Women
,
in
the
several
Ages
of
the
World
,
&c.
Scephen
Strisp's
Epistle
concerning
Present
and
Succeeeding
Times
.
Grammatista
,
or
the
young
Grammarian
;
being
a
very
useful
selling
Book
,
containing
Bills
,
Bonds
,
and
Receipts
,
&c.
Notes, typically marginal, from the original text
Notes for div A65854-e220
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To
this
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subscribe
,
Geo.
Whitehead
.
Psal.
10.
&
11.2
.