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           OF
           Transubstantiation
           :
           OR
           ,
           A
           REPLY
           TO
           A
           LATE
           PAPER
           ,
           CALL'D
           ,
           A
           Full
           ANSWER
           to
           Dr.
           Tenison's
           CONFERENCES
           concerning
           the
           EUCHARIST
           .
        
         
           THese
           Transubstantiators
           ,
           it
           seems
           ,
           are
           as
           apt
           to
           fancy
           one
           Man
           ,
           as
           one
           thing
           to
           be
           another
           ;
           hence
           it
           is
           ,
           that
           they
           have
           turn'd
           the
           Publisher
           of
           the
           
             Six
             Conferences
          
           ,
           lately
           put
           out
           ,
           into
           a
           French
           man
           ;
           for
           such
           a
           one
           ,
           I
           am
           assur'd
           ,
           was
           the
           Author
           of
           those
           Dialogues
           .
           And
           therefore
           both
           this
           Gentleman
           ,
           and
           his
           Friend
           ,
           who
           ,
           he
           says
           ,
           was
           so
           good
           at
           guessing
           ,
           must
           guess
           again
           .
           Transubstantiation
           is
           a
           Doctrine
           so
           absurd
           and
           groundless
           ,
           that
           a
           man
           can
           never
           want
           Arguments
           against
           it
           .
           But
           Protestants
           sensible
           of
           the
           goodness
           of
           their
           Cause
           ,
           will
           sometimes
           give
           Overplus
           in
           reasoning
           with
           their
           Adversaries
           ;
           and
           when
           they
           have
           prov'd
           that
           there
           is
           no
           such
           Doctrine
           as
           that
           of
           Transubstantiation
           ,
           reveal'd
           ,
           they
           next
           endeavour
           to
           shew
           
             ex
             abundanti
          
           ,
           that
           't
           is
           impossible
           it
           shou'd
           ;
           if
           it
           were
           never
           so
           possible
           it
           shou'd
           ,
           yet
           it
           does
           not
           follow
           that
           it
           is
           .
           Nor
           can
           Papists
           ever
           prove
           it
           ,
           till
           they
           first
           prove
           themselves
           Infallible
           in
           interpreting
           Scripture
           .
           For
           ,
           as
           for
           those
           Words
           ,
           
             This
             is
             my
             Body
             ,
             which
             is
             broken
             for
             you
          
           ;
           't
           is
           evident
           that
           they
           lye
           much
           more
           easy
           and
           naturally
           to
           be
           interpreted
           in
           the
           Protestant
           than
           Popish
           Sense
           ,
           as
           some
           of
           their
           own
           Authors
           have
           been
           so
           ingenuous
           as
           to
           confess
           .
           So
           that
           here
           is
           a
           desperate
           hard
           Task
           still
           lying
           upon
           'em
           ,
           were
           it
           granted
           possible
           that
           such
           a
           thing
           shou'd
           be
           reveal'd
           .
           But
           that
           that
           is
           impossible
           ,
           may
           be
           thus
           made
           out
           .
           It
           cannot
           be
           reveal'd
           ,
           but
           by
           giving
           us
           greater
           Evidence
           to
           think
           it
           true
           ,
           than
           we
           have
           to
           think
           it
           false
           .
           Now
           we
           prove
           it
           false
           by
           the
           clear
           Evidence
           ,
           both
           of
           Sense
           and
           Reason
           .
           Of
           Sense
           ,
           because
           all
           our
           Senses
           tell
           us
           ,
           that
           that
           is
           Bread
           ,
           which
           if
           their
           Doctrine
           be
           true
           ,
           is
           not
           Bread
           ,
           but
           the
           Body
           of
           a
           Man.
           Of
           Reason
           ,
           because
           that
           Faculty
           does
           assure
           us
           as
           much
           as
           it
           can
           of
           any
           thing
           ,
           that
           one
           and
           the
           same
           Body
           cannot
           be
           in
           several
           places
           at
           once
           ,
           nor
           the
           whole
           Body
           of
           a
           Man
           crowded
           into
           the
           compass
           of
           a
           Pins
           head
           ,
           and
           that
           still
           divisible
           into
           a
           great
           many
           more
           whole
           Bodies
           ,
           &c.
           
           But
           here
           the
           Papists
           stop
           us
           short
           ,
           catching
           at
           one
           part
           of
           the
           Argument
           .
           For
           ,
           Sense
           ,
           say
           they
           ,
           may
           deceive
           us
           as
           it
           did
           Abraham
           ,
           who
           thought
           he
           saw
           Men
           ,
           when
           he
           saw
           Angels
           :
           And
           why
           then
           ,
           if
           God
           will
           have
           it
           so
           ,
           may
           not
           we
           see
           the
           Body
           of
           Christ
           indeed
           ,
           when
           we
           think
           we
           see
           Bread
           ?
           I
           answer
           ,
           They
           that
           appear'd
           to
           Abraham
           in
           the
           18
           th
           of
           Genesis
           ,
           for
           ought
           that
           can
           be
           prov'd
           ,
           did
           for
           that
           time
           assume
           the
           real
           Bodies
           of
           Men
           (
           it
           shou'd
           seem
           so
           by
           their
           eating
           .
           )
           And
           
           Abraham's
           Senses
           could
           only
           tell
           him
           that
           they
           did
           appear
           like
           Men.
           If
           he
           thereupon
           concluded
           immediately
           that
           they
           were
           Men
           ,
           he
           erred
           ,
           and
           was
           led
           into
           the
           Error
           by
           his
           Senses
           ,
           which
           no
           one
           ever
           denied
           ,
           but
           a
           Man
           might
           be
           .
           But
           he
           might
           know
           (
           and
           did
           ,
           't
           is
           like
           ,
           upon
           a
           little
           Reflection
           )
           that
           the
           Eye
           alone
           was
           not
           sufficient
           to
           inform
           him
           at
           all
           times
           ,
           whether
           what
           looked
           like
           a
           Man
           ,
           was
           one
           ,
           because
           an
           Angel
           might
           assume
           and
           actuate
           a
           humane
           Body
           .
           However
           ,
           it
           is
           certain
           ,
           that
           to
           the
           making
           up
           of
           that
           Creature
           which
           we
           call
           a
           Man
           ,
           there
           goes
           something
           more
           than
           what
           is
           visible
           to
           the
           Eye
           ,
           viz.
           a
           humane
           Soul.
           And
           whether
           that
           were
           there
           or
           no
           ,
           or
           an
           Angel
           in
           the
           room
           of
           it
           ,
           was
           more
           than
           Abraham
           could
           certainly
           discern
           by
           his
           Senses
           .
           But
           there
           is
           not
           the
           same
           case
           in
           seeing
           of
           a
           piece
           of
           Bread
           ,
           because
           there
           is
           no
           ground
           to
           think
           there
           is
           any
           thing
           in
           a
           piece
           of
           Bread
           ,
           more
           than
           what
           is
           discernable
           by
           Sense
           .
           To
           talk
           of
           a
           Substance
           distinct
           from
           the
           Colour
           ,
           Tast
           ,
           Smell
           ,
           and
           from
           the
           very
           Quantity
           and
           Dimensions
           also
           ,
           is
           but
           a
           piece
           of
           Scholastick
           Nonsence
           .
           A
           Body
           has
           
           the
           name
           of
           Bread
           given
           it
           ,
           because
           its
           matter
           or
           quantitative
           Dimensions
           (
           which
           is
           all
           one
           )
           have
           such
           a
           certain
           Colour
           ,
           Tast
           ,
           Smell
           ,
           &c.
           from
           the
           Concurrence
           or
           Combination
           of
           which
           ,
           we
           English
           Men
           agree
           to
           call
           it
           Bread
           ,
           the
           
             Latins
             Panis
          
           .
           Now
           to
           say
           ,
           That
           a
           Body
           having
           all
           these
           ,
           whence
           by
           general
           Consent
           it
           is
           wont
           to
           be
           called
           Bread
           ,
           yet
           is
           not
           Bread
           ;
           is
           all
           one
           ,
           as
           to
           say
           ,
           That
           Bread
           is
           not
           Bread
           ,
           which
           ●s
           Nonsence
           and
           a
           Contradiction
           ,
           and
           we
           take
           Transubstantiation
           to
           be
           so
           ,
           from
           one
           end
           to
           the
           other
           .
        
         
           Suppose
           a
           man
           shou'd
           come
           and
           shew
           me
           a
           little
           black
           Dog
           ,
           and
           shou'd
           face
           me
           down
           that
           it
           was
           no
           Dog
           ,
           but
           the
           City
           of
           Rome
           ,
           nay
           ,
           and
           that
           that
           whole
           City
           was
           not
           onely
           crowded
           into
           so
           little
           a
           compass
           ,
           but
           that
           ,
           cut
           him
           into
           never
           so
           many
           pieces
           ,
           still
           every
           Bit
           was
           the
           whole
           City
           of
           Rome
           .
           If
           ,
           I
           say
           ,
           a
           man
           shou'd
           come
           and
           tell
           me
           thus
           ,
           sure
           this
           Gentleman
           would
           give
           me
           leave
           to
           think
           he
           was
           out
           of
           his
           Wits
           .
           But
           suppose
           then
           such
           a
           man
           as
           Xaverius
           ,
           who
           
             A.
             Pulton
          
           says
           had
           the
           Gift
           of
           Tongues
           (
           tho'
           he
           himself
           complains
           sadly
           in
           one
           of
           his
           Epistles
           that
           he
           had
           it
           not
           ,
           and
           knew
           not
           what
           to
           do
           for
           want
           of
           it
           ,
           Ep.
           Iapan
           .
           3.
           p.
           30.
           )
           and
           raised
           Twenty
           five
           Persons
           from
           the
           Dead
           :
           Suppose
           ,
           I
           say
           ,
           he
           shou'd
           come
           and
           work
           all
           these
           Miracles
           which
           
             A.
             Pulton
          
           believes
           he
           did
           work
           ,
           in
           my
           sight
           ,
           and
           so
           as
           to
           convince
           me
           of
           the
           Truth
           of
           them
           ,
           and
           when
           he
           had
           done
           ,
           shou'd
           tell
           me
           he
           wrought
           all
           these
           to
           convince
           me
           that
           that
           same
           black
           Cur
           was
           no
           Dog
           ,
           but
           the
           whole
           City
           of
           
             Rome
             ,
             &c.
          
           as
           before
           .
           In
           this
           case
           ,
           and
           upon
           this
           mad
           impossible
           Supposition
           (
           for
           such
           we
           must
           make
           ,
           if
           we
           would
           draw
           a
           Parallel
           right
           )
           tho'
           I
           were
           never
           so
           much
           convinced
           of
           the
           Truth
           of
           his
           Miracles
           before
           ,
           yet
           I
           must
           needs
           tell
           him
           ,
           Sir
           ,
           you
           do
           but
           confound
           me
           .
           I
           believed
           your
           Miracles
           to
           be
           true
           ,
           because
           they
           seemed
           so
           when
           I
           had
           examined
           them
           by
           Sense
           and
           Reason
           as
           well
           as
           I
           cou'd
           .
           But
           if
           this
           intolerable
           absurdity
           be
           that
           which
           you
           wou'd
           prove
           by
           'em
           ,
           then
           I
           find
           my
           Sense
           and
           Reason
           signify
           nothing
           .
           And
           believe
           you
           ,
           I
           cannot
           after
           all
           ;
           because
           I
           have
           as
           great
           ,
           if
           not
           greater
           evidence
           that
           this
           is
           but
           a
           Dog
           still
           ,
           than
           I
           had
           ,
           or
           could
           have
           of
           the
           Truth
           of
           your
           Miracles
           .
           Now
           let
           him
           shew
           that
           can
           ,
           that
           in
           this
           supposition
           I
           have
           made
           ,
           there
           are
           greater
           absurdities
           than
           what
           are
           in
           Transubstantiation
           .
           But
           to
           make
           it
           a
           Parallel
           case
           betwixt
           an
           Angel
           sometimes
           appearing
           in
           humane
           shape
           ,
           and
           not
           being
           discern'd
           from
           a
           man
           by
           the
           Eye
           ,
           and
           a
           Bit
           of
           Bread
           being
           turn'd
           in
           Ten
           thousand
           places
           ,
           into
           the
           same
           Natural
           Body
           of
           our
           Saviour
           ,
           and
           every
           Bit
           of
           it
           into
           the
           whole
           Body
           ;
           and
           yet
           to
           all
           mens
           Senses
           appearing
           to
           be
           nothing
           in
           the
           World
           but
           Bread
           still
           ;
           this
           certainly
           is
           a
           great
           extravagance
           .
           And
           I
           must
           tell
           this
           Gentleman
           ,
           that
           whereas
           he
           says
           it
           might
           have
           been
           said
           to
           Abraham
           ,
           Ask
           your
           Eyes
           ,
           ask
           your
           Nose
           ,
           ask
           your
           hands
           —
           they
           will
           all
           tell
           you
           ,
           't
           is
           a
           man
           you
           see
           ;
           herein
           he
           says
           more
           than
           he
           can
           prove
           .
           For
           we
           have
           no
           Reason
           to
           think
           that
           Abraham
           did
           either
           smell
           to
           ,
           or
           feel
           the
           Angels
           ;
           and
           unless
           the
           Angels
           did
           really
           take
           humane
           Bodies
           ,
           I
           suppose
           ,
           feeling
           wou'd
           have
           discovered
           the
           Truth
           ;
           because
           our
           Saviour
           says
           ,
           
             Handle
             me
             and
             see
             ,
             for
             a
             Spirit
             hath
             not
             Flesh
             and
             
               Bones
            
             as
             ye
             
               see
            
             me
             have
             .
          
        
         
           But
           this
           Gentleman
           charges
           the
           Doctor
           (
           his
           falsly
           supposed
           Author
           of
           the
           Conferences
           )
           with
           great
           ignorance
           in
           Logick
           ,
           
             for
          
           reasoning
           in
           this
           manner
           .
           
             If
             our
             Senses
             deceive
             us
             in
             the
             Report
             they
             make
             of
             the
             Eucharist
             ,
             they
             may
             as
             well
             deceive
             us
             in
             every
             thing
             else
             .
          
           Now
           I
           confess
           I
           see
           no
           ill
           Logick
           in
           this
           ;
           for
           the
           
             sequel
          
           is
           easily
           proved
           thus
           ;
           Because
           our
           Senses
           report
           nothing
           with
           clearer
           Evidence
           than
           they
           do
           in
           this
           matter
           of
           the
           Eucharist
           .
           And
           how
           ,
           I
           pray
           ,
           is
           there
           here
           an
           Universal
           drawn
           from
           a
           Particular
           ?
        
         
           As
           for
           comparing
           Transubstantiation
           with
           the
           Trinity
           ,
           I
           wou'd
           desire
           this
           Gentleman
           to
           answer
           what
           has
           been
           already
           written
           in
           some
           Dialogues
           lately
           printed
           on
           that
           Subject
           .
           Or
           let
           him
           but
           shew
           us
           as
           good
           
             Scripture-proof
          
           for
           Transubstantiation
           ,
           as
           there
           is
           for
           the
           Trinity
           ;
           and
           try
           next
           whether
           he
           can
           load
           the
           Doctrine
           of
           the
           Trinity
           ,
           as
           deliver'd
           in
           Scripture
           ,
           with
           as
           many
           Absurdities
           as
           follow
           from
           Transubstantiation
           ;
           And
           then
           it
           will
           be
           time
           to
           consider
           ,
           whether
           we
           had
           best
           believe
           Transubstantiation
           ,
           or
           turn
           Socinians
           .
           But
           this
           will
           be
           a
           long
           while
           a
           doing
           .
           In
           the
           mean
           time
           it
           is
           denied
           that
           the
           Doctrine
           of
           the
           Trinity
           does
           at
           all
           contradict
           that
           Maxime
           ,
           
             Quae
             conveniunt
             in
             un
             tertio
             conveniunt
             inter
             se
             ,
          
           in
           the
           true
           sence
           of
           it
           .
        
         
           As
           for
           this
           Gentleman's
           way
           of
           dealing
           with
           an
           Infidel
           ,
           to
           make
           him
           believe
           Transubstantiation
           ;
           I
           must
           tell
           him
           ,
           that
           if
           his
           Infidel
           understood
           himself
           ,
           it
           will
           prove
           insufficient
           .
           For
           ,
           1.
           
           Whereas
           he
           says
           that
           they
           agree
           ,
           God
           sees
           Truths
           which
           we
           cannot
           understand
           ,
           and
           that
           he
           can
           reveal
           those
           Truths
           ;
           his
           Infidel
           may
           tell
           him
           ,
           That
           if
           there
           be
           any
           Truths
           repugnant
           to
           the
           first
           Principles
           of
           all
           humane
           Knowledg
           ,
           God
           must
           give
           us
           other
           Faculties
           ,
           before
           he
           can
           reveal
           such
           Truths
           to
           us
           .
           And
           ,
           2.
           
           That
           he
           can
           never
           make
           it
           appear
           ,
           that
           the
           Moral
           Evidence
           he
           talks
           of
           ,
           is
           equal
           to
           the
           Moral
           Evidence
           we
           have
           of
           the
           falsity
           of
           Transubstantiation
           .
        
         
           Lastly
           ,
           As
           for
           the
           Threatning
           Conclusion
           ,
           That
           the
           Doctor
           may
           chance
           to
           smart
           for
           attempting
           the
           Destruction
           of
           their
           Church
           ;
           If
           he
           means
           in
           this
           World
           ,
           let
           him
           say
           it
           plainly
           :
           If
           he
           means
           in
           the
           next
           ,
           he
           might
           know
           we
           fear
           not
           that
           upon
           this
           Account
           .
           All
           the
           danger
           we
           fear
           for
           opposing
           that
           Church
           (
           in
           this
           way
           of
           Disputation
           and
           Reasoning
           )
           is
           wholly
           in
           this
           World
           ;
           in
           the
           other
           we
           believe
           they
           will
           be
           more
           in
           danger
           to
           suffer
           for
           defending
           it
           .
        
      
    
     
       
         
           IMPRIMATUR
           ,
        
         
           
             
               Nov.
               22.
               1687.
               
            
          
           
             Guil.
             Needham
             .
          
        
      
       
         
           LONDON
           :
           Printed
           for
           
             Ric.
             Chiswell
          
           ,
           at
           the
           Rose
           and
           Crown
           in
           St.
           
           Paul's
           Church-Yard
           .
           M
           DC
           LXXXVIII
           .