The copy of a letter sent from the Cardinall du Perron embassadour for the French king at Rome concerning the divisions of the papists of England their difference in government whether by bishops or Jesuites with the care of His Holinesse in the agreement, and his judgement in placing of bishops in England for making priests to increase the Catholic number : whereunto is added a certaine conjecture of the use both prelates and papists have made of the cardinals counsell to augment and establish their greatnesse.
Ambassades et negotiations. English. Selections
Du Perron, Jacques Davy, 1556-1618.
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The copy of a letter sent from the Cardinall du Perron embassadour for the French king at Rome concerning the divisions of the papists of England their difference in government whether by bishops or Jesuites with the care of His Holinesse in the agreement, and his judgement in placing of bishops in England for making priests to increase the Catholic number : whereunto is added a certaine conjecture of the use both prelates and papists have made of the cardinals counsell to augment and establish their greatnesse.
Ambassades et negotiations. English. Selections
Du Perron, Jacques Davy, 1556-1618.
[2], 6 p.
s.n.],
[London? :
1641.
Translation of part of a letter of 7 September 1605, extracted from the author's Ambassades et negotiations.
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THE
COPY
OF
A
LETTER
SENT
FROM
THE
Cardinall
du
Perron
Embassadour
for
the
French
King
at
Rome
,
CONCERNING
THE
Divisions
of
the
Papists
of
England
,
their
difference
in
Government
,
whether
by
Bishops
or
Jesuites
,
with
the
Care
of
his
Holinesse
in
the
agreement
,
and
his
Judgement
in
placing
of
Bishops
in
England
,
for
making
Priests
to
increase
the
Catholike
Number
.
Whereunto
is
added
a
certaine
Conjecture
of
the
use
both
Prelates
and
Papists
have
made
of
the
Cardinals
Counsell
to
augment
and
establish
their
Greatnesse
.
Printed
in
the
yeere
,
1641.
IT
is
not
long
since
accidentally
I
did
fall
upon
a
Book
written
in
French
of
the
Negotiations
and
Embassages
of
the
famous
and
learned
Cardinall
du
Perron
.
Where
amongst
many
notable
passages
which
happened
in
his
Embassage
at
Rome
,
and
wherewith
hee
acquainted
the
French
King
Henrie
the
fourth
his
master
,
he
has
one
in
one
letter
to
the
King
his
master
concerning
the
divisions
of
the
Papists
in
England
,
and
the
meanes
to
be
used
for
their
reconciliation
.
With
his
judgement
of
the
Bishops
of
England
.
Which
after
I
had
read
and
considered
,
I
was
induced
thereby
not
without
reason
to
believe
that
it
had
served
for
a
Counsell
to
both
the
Bishops
and
Papists
to
ground
their
greatnesse
upon
and
to
advance
both
the
one
and
the
other
to
that
height
they
were
in
before
the
Parliament
began
.
Now
imagining
that
it
might
serve
to
informe
the
judgements
of
many
,
and
help
them
to
rip
up
the
arcana
principia
,
and
hid
Maximes
the
Prelates
and
Papists
have
used
these
many
yeeres
to
increase
their
owne
greatnesse
,
oppresse
all
those
that
should
dare
to
oppose
them
.
I
have
set
down
the
true
Coppy
(
not
varying
from
the
originall
)
so
truly
as
I
could
,
to
which
I
have
added
my
conjecture
in
few
words
of
the
advantages
Prelates
and
Papists
have
taken
from
it
,
as
also
of
their
complying
together
to
uphold
one
another
.
The
Coppy
of
a
Letter
sent
from
ROME
by
the
Cardinall
Du
Perron
to
HENRY
the
fourth
King
of
France
,
his
Master
;
extant
in
the
second
volumn
of
his
negotiations
and
Embassages
,
being
this
Argument
.
He
communicated
to
the
Pope
,
that
which
it
had
pleased
his
Majesty
to
write
to
him
,
of
the
estate
of
affairs
in
England
,
and
of
the
dispute
betwixt
the
Fathers
Jacobines
and
Jesuites
there
:
that
which
his
Holinesse
spake
to
him
,
and
desired
him
to
do
:
a
dissension
amongst
the
English
Papists
:
the
means
proposed
to
appease
them
:
contrary
difficulties
and
remedies
to
be
used
.
TO
HENRY
the
Great
.
Sir
,
I
Shall
supply
in
this
Letter
,
my
shortnesse
in
the
last
I
sent
to
your
Maiesty
by
the
Ordinarie
.
On
Tuesday
the
23.
of
the
last
Moneth
,
I
had
audience
of
the
Pope
,
and
did
communicate
to
his
Holinesse
,
that
which
it
pleased
your
Maiesty
to
impart
to
me
of
your
opinion
concerning
the
affairs
in
England
,
and
the
dispute
betwixt
the
Fathers
,
Jacobines
and
Jesuites
:
he
was
much
satisfied
with
both
the
one
and
the
other
advise
,
and
often
thanked
your
Maiestie
for
the
good
duties
your
Maiesty
had
done
him
,
in
blotting
out
of
the
King
of
Englands
imagination
the
sinistrous
impression
divers
had
moved
him
to
conceive
of
his
intentions
.
Concerning
the
dispute
,
he
seemed
highly
to
approve
of
your
Maiesties
opinion
,
which
was
to
endeavour
by
all
means
to
end
that
difference
by
one
agreement
;
to
which
purpose
,
he
gave
me
charge
that
at
the
first
Congregation
of
the
Cardinals
,
which
should
be
holden
for
that
effect
,
I
should
propose
somethings
to
try
if
possibly
that
expedient
might
be
used
.
I
did
communicate
also
to
his
Holinesse
,
concerning
the
affairs
of
England
two
Letters
sent
to
me
from
Venice
,
the
one
from
Mounsieur
De
Beaumont
to
Mounsieur
De
Fresnes
;
the
other
from
Mounsieur
De
Fresnes
to
mee
,
accompanied
with
a
third
sent
from
a
certain
Doctor
of
England
,
(
by
their
means
)
to
his
Holinesse
.
The
end
of
all
those
Letters
was
,
that
the
divisions
amongst
the
English
Papists
might
be
taken
away
,
some
of
them
obeying
one
Arch-priest
governed
by
the
Iesuites
:
others
appealing
from
the
unlawfully
administred
authority
of
the
arch-priest
.
Their
common
opinion
for
removing
that
difference
was
,
to
establish
a
good
number
of
Bishops
,
to
whom
neither
the
appealers
nor
the
Iesuits
could
lawfully
refuse
obedience
.
I
read
those
Letters
gladly
to
his
Holinesse
,
as
being
written
with
great
wisdome
and
discretion
,
evidencing
also
the
care
your
Maiesties
servants
had
for
the
advancement
of
Religion
in
that
Kingdome
,
and
especially
because
the
Letters
of
the
English
Priest
heretofore
well
known
to
his
Holinesse
,
was
filled
with
the
praises
of
your
Maiesties
prudent
carriage
in
the
matter
of
the
Catholike
Religion
there
,
and
much
blaming
that
of
the
Spaniards
:
as
also
because
myself
had
proposed
the
same
things
to
the
Pope
at
his
first
Inauguration
,
esteeming
it
profitable
,
not
onely
for
the
good
of
the
Church
,
but
also
for
your
Maiesties
service
:
because
the
faction
of
the
Iesuites
in
that
Kingdome
dependeth
on
Personius
,
and
other
instruments
of
the
Spanish
faction
.
His
Holinesse
made
me
answer
,
that
Pope
Clement
had
continually
made
scruple
to
hearken
to
that
expedient
,
fearing
least
it
should
stirre
up
a
greater
persecution
in
England
against
the
Catholikes
,
I
answered
him
that
on
the
▪
contrary
,
it
would
rather
diminish
then
augment
it
,
because
that
in
generall
the
Heretiques
did
not
carry
so
much
hatred
against
the
Bishops
,
as
against
the
Iesuites
,
who
(
as
they
beleeve
)
do
meddle
themselves
much
more
with
the
estates
and
lives
of
Princes
,
nor
any
other
of
the
Ecclesiasticall
orders
.
Morever
that
the
name
of
Bishops
was
yet
in
great
reverence
amongst
them
,
and
where
as
they
do
reiect
and
abhor
the
title
of
Priest
,
because
they
beleeve
there
is
no
sacrifice
in
the
Christian
Religion
:
they
do
honour
and
respect
the
name
of
Bishops
,
and
by
this
means
they
should
moderate
and
diminish
their
persecutions
against
Bishops
,
much
more
against
the
simple
Priests
or
Iesuites
.
To
which
I
added
,
that
there
being
no
Bishops
in
England
,
there
could
be
no
Priests
consecrated
there
,
and
that
it
behooved
those
who
desired
to
be
promoted
to
the
order
of
Priesthood
,
should
come
take
their
orders
here
beyond
the
Seas
:
whence
did
arise
two
notable
inconveniences
.
First
,
that
it
did
hinder
the
multiplication
of
Ecclesiastique
persons
in
England
,
inregard
of
the
expence
,
perils
,
and
incommodities
it
behooved
them
to
undergoe
in
passing
and
repassing
the
Seas
.
The
other
,
that
this
communication
and
acquaintance
they
came
to
make
here
with
strangers
,
made
them
afterwards
suspected
to
their
Countrey
men
,
as
having
been
corrupted
and
suborned
of
them
,
by
whose
means
they
had
obtained
those
orders
;
so
that
I
did
foresee
great
utilities
in
the
proposed
advice
,
and
did
onely
find
one
incommodity
,
which
was
that
the
Protestant
Bishops
of
England
(
wherof
many
do
secretly
favour
the
Romish
Religion
,
allured
possibly
in
hope
to
be
confirmed
by
the
Catholikes
in
their
dignities
)
should
fall
from
all
such
hopes
,
when
they
should
perceive
his
Holinesse
had
consecrated
others
in
their
place
.
But
the
remedy
that
might
be
used
,
was
to
consecrate
onely
some
Bishops
in
place
of
those
who
were
married
,
and
already
out
of
hopes
they
should
keep
their
wives
and
Bishopricks
together
in
the
Catholike
Religion
.
His
Holinesse
took
time
to
think
upon
it
:
after
which
according
to
the
commandment
I
shall
receive
from
your
Maiestie
,
I
shall
continue
,
or
leave
off
to
present
the
businesse
further
;
and
thus
much
from
that
Letter
.
NOw
I
hope
ye
see
clearly
from
the
Cardinalls
Letter
,
what
his
judgement
was
of
our
Bishops
,
wherein
if
he
was
deceived
or
not
,
I
will
not
judge
,
onely
this
I
may
say
confidently
,
if
he
spoke
falsly
of
Bishops
of
his
time
,
he
hath
been
an
oracle
of
truth
concerning
the
Bishops
of
our
time
,
as
may
easily
appear
to
those
,
who
will
informe
themselves
but
slenderly
of
their
doctrines
and
practices
so
well
known
to
most
sorts
of
men
,
that
it
is
wonder
they
should
find
so
much
as
one
,
to
speak
but
one
word
in
their
defence
,
for
have
they
not
used
all
violent
courses
to
suppresse
the
truth
of
the
Gospell
by
pilloring
,
scourging
,
imprisoning
,
fining
,
banishing
,
and
confining
numbers
of
the
most
zealous
professours
of
the
truth
,
for
no
other
known
offence
,
but
because
they
would
not
submit
themselves
to
the
superstitions
,
tyrannies
,
and
oppressions
of
those
bloodthirsty
persecutors
?
Did
ever
any
of
that
cruell
society
hitherto
,
publikely
disapprove
either
by
word
or
writing
the
barbarous
rage
of
their
Tygerlike
fellows
,
the
misery
of
those
injustly
persecuted
men
,
the
deplorable
c●lamities
of
their
distressed
Mother
the
Church
,
oppressed
by
the
too
too
prevalent
factions
of
Papists
and
Arminians
to
this
day
?
But
for
all
this
,
some
will
not
spare
to
averre
that
divers
of
the
Bishops
had
never
any
hand
in
those
businesses
,
but
on
the
contrary
cherished
piety
,
abhorred
cruelty
,
resisted
superstition
to
the
utmost
of
their
power
,
and
endeavoured
(
as
they
were
able
)
to
conserve
the
peace
of
the
Church
,
and
State
.
My
onely
desire
is
,
that
those
men
would
consider
,
that
neither
love
,
affection
towards
the
one
party
,
nor
hatred
towards
the
other
doth
so
much
move
me
as
the
love
to
the
truth
,
which
ought
to
be
freely
spoken
at
all
times
,
but
especially
when
men
seem
as
it
were
to
doate
on
those
Bishops
who
seem
innocent
to
divers
,
and
it
may
be
they
neither
did
contrive
nor
desire
those
abominations
;
which
charitie
would
make
me
beleeve
,
if
I
should
find
reason
to
perswade
me
,
that
they
did
either
disapprove
or
reject
them
being
once
urged
by
their
fellow
companions
;
nay
on
the
contrary
,
divers
reasons
induce
me
to
believe
that
they
did
approve
all
,
without
any
the
least
opposition
;
as
first
,
suffering
all
things
to
be
imposed
upon
them
without
any
repining
.
Secondly
,
urging
the
practice
upon
all
men
punishing
severely
the
refractory
.
Thirdly
,
their
unanimous
consent
to
the
late
diabolicall
Canons
(
whence
I
Imagine
all
things
to
have
been
done
in
the
same
manner
)
Lastly
,
their
prodigious
silence
which
is
one
infallible
signe
that
even
to
this
day
they
allow
of
them
,
for
qui
tacet
,
consentire
videtur
.
But
the
end
of
introducing
those
superstitions
,
and
setting
those
persecutions
on
foot
,
is
most
probable
,
as
I
can
conjecture
to
curry
favour
of
the
Papists
,
and
seek
by
their
means
and
assistance
to
raise
their
monstrous
greatnesse
,
and
boundlesse
ambition
to
such
an
height
as
they
might
easily
crush
and
ruine
all
those
who
should
attempt
to
oppose
their
superstitious
,
cruell
,
bloudy
,
and
hellish
designes
.
As
for
the
Papists
,
humane
policie
could
never
have
invented
one
surer
foundation
(
then
the
Cardinals
councels
)
for
them
to
have
builded
their
greatnesse
in
this
Kingdome
,
all
things
wisely
considered
;
for
hath
not
the
pacifying
of
discords
amongst
the
Papists
here
,
and
the
sending
over
of
Bishops
,
been
the
chief
instruments
,
and
in
a
manner
the
sole
causes
of
the
excessive
increase
of
the
Romanists
in
these
Kingdomes
?
Let
Papists
themselves
speak
,
who
tell
us
plainly
,
that
the
dexterity
of
the
Romish
Bishops
(
who
are
no
fewer
then
the
Protestant
Bishops
in
number
)
hath
been
such
,
that
in
complying
the
one
with
the
other
,
they
have
equally
shared
in
the
divisions
:
for
if
we
may
believe
some
of
their
catalogues
,
there
be
above
6000.
Priests
in
England
,
which
number
being
compared
with
that
of
the
preaching
Ministers
,
shall
not
come
farre
short
,
if
not
equall
them
,
as
I
suppose
.
And
truly
this
councell
of
the
Cardinall
hath
been
received
by
his
part
with
as
great
policie
and
good
successe
,
as
it
was
given
with
solidity
and
wisdome
.
Now
if
the
number
be
so
excessive
in
England
,
what
shall
we
expect
of
Ireland
,
where
the
most
part
of
the
Natives
hath
known
no
other
Religion
from
their
infancie
;
truly
the
prodigious
multitude
of
that
whores
sonnes
(
who
in
blind
zeal
to
that
Idolatrous
strumpet
and
blasphemous
beast
)
can
,
finding
opportunitie
,
devote
themselves
to
murder
Kings
and
Princes
,
blow
up
Parliaments
,
betray
their
Countrey
,
and
bring
all
to
confusion
without
fear
of
God
,
or
reverence
to
man
,
as
wofull
experience
,
the
master
of
fools
,
hath
too
too
often
taught
by
lamentable
examples
,
to
the
infinite
dammage
of
the
Christian
world
.
The
sympathy
and
affinitie
of
those
men
with
our
Bishops
,
is
such
as
I
conceive
,
would
not
require
much
labour
to
make
in
most
things
a
notable
parallel
,
which
I
leave
to
some
other
,
contenting
my self
onely
to
shew
that
their
correspondency
hath
been
such
these
many
years
,
that
the
Bishops
have
taken
all
things
done
against
Papists
as
done
against
themselves
,
and
the
Papists
all
things
done
against
Bishops
,
as
done
against
their
head
the
Pope
and
them
;
but
this
hath
been
so
cunningly
performed
,
as
few
could
heretofore
perceive
it
,
whilst
at
last
the
Papists
seeing
both
themselves
and
the
Miter
of
Bishops
wronged
(
as
they
thought
)
by
the
factious
covenanters
of
Scotland
,
could
contain
themselves
no
more
,
but
burst
out
in
rage
against
those
Hereticks
,
and
openly
undertook
to
defend
,
that
our
Bishops
were
Iure
Divino
tales
,
more
I
am
sure
then
ever
they
would
have
said
for
their
infallible
head
the
Pope
,
whom
they
defend
onely
to
be
Iure
Ecclesiastice
Pope
:
but
this
they
did
,
perceiving
that
if
ours
should
not
be
proved
to
be
Iure
Divino
tales
,
no
Ecclesiastick
or
humane
constitution
could
hinder
their
Miters
to
be
fallable
,
although
themselves
beleeve
all
that
the
Church
the
Pope
beleeveth
,
who
will
never
beleeve
any
thing
to
his
own
disadvantage
.
And
least
our
Bishops
should
seem
to
be
behind
with
the
Papists
in
mutuall
courtesies
,
I
assure
you
,
they
have
rendred
them
tenfold
the
league
being
offensive
and
defensive
;
for
they
will
have
us
beleeve
that
the
Pope
is
not
Antichrist
,
but
the
true
successour
of
Peter
;
that
the
Romish
Church
as
it
is
presently
,
is
the
true
Church
;
that
in
it
they
defend
no
materiall
or
substantiall
errours
;
that
our
Religion
differeth
from
the
popish
in
matters
of
small
or
no
consequence
;
that
invocation
on
Saints
,
prayer
for
the
dead
,
worshipping
of
Images
,
crucifixes
,
and
other
reliques
,
with
more
then
seven
mountains
of
other
abominations
of
that
blasphemous
beast
,
and
her
whorish
Locusts
,
are
not
onely
lawfull
,
but
expedient
and
profitable
to
be
used
.
I
may
further
averre
that
Papists
have
been
the
men
of
greatest
esteem
with
our
Bishops
,
and
that
they
went
free
being
convicted
by
the
Laws
of
the
land
,
when
Godly
and
laborious
Ministers
,
zealous
professours
,
and
sound
Christians
were
most
barbarously
martyred
,
and
that
for
obeying
the
Laws
of
God
,
and
the
King
;
all
this
undoubtedly
to
please
that
man
of
sinne
,
who
under
promise
of
assistance
caused
them
to
sin
.
But
I
can
tell
them
that
he
hath
{non-Roman}
{non-Roman}
{non-Roman}
{non-Roman}
{non-Roman}
written
on
the
triple
crown
,
which
covereth
his
blasphemous
head
:
and
though
this
seem
a
mystery
to
most
men
,
yet
they
may
perswade
themselves
it
is
true
,
that
the
Pope
would
redeem
their
dignities
with
millions
,
&
furnish
them
all
with
competent
maintenance
,
onely
to
cover
under
their
wings
,
the
nest
of
his
newly
cleked
vipers
,
not
without
reason
,
suspecting
that
their
fall
shall
be
his
ruine
in
this
land
.
And
although
divers
will
affirm
,
that
Segnior
Conne
and
Rosseti
brought
bags
full
of
Apostolicall
benedictions
,
to
all
those
who
would
spend
their
lives
&
estates
,
where
the
Miter
was
so
much
concerned
,
yet
their
infallibility
●ea●ed
them
,
all
those
things
not
being
capable
to
save
from
censure
C.
C.
and
some
others
,
who
received
a
yeerly
pension
of
Angelicall
and
Pistolicall
benedictions
from
the
P.
his
H.
and
the
K.
of
S.
to
advance
their
affairs
in
England
.
And
now
diverse
Merchants
assure
mee
that
Gregorie
is
to
have
the
bill
of
exchange
to
pay
them
the
last
wages
for
their
service
,
who
(
as
I
am
informed
)
will
be
so
ready
upon
the
first
receipt
thereof
to
shew
them
the
same
courtesie
he
useth
to
others
,
that
they
shall
have
no
just
occasion
to
complain
of
his
sound
dealing
,
more
then
others
have
done
before
;
for
my
part
,
I
am
so
confident
,
he
will
doe
them
right
,
even
behind
their
backs
,
that
I
could
heartily
wish
all
such
as
their
Lordships
to
addresse
themselves
to
him
who
can
certainly
end
their
desires
.
FINIS
.