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Keying and markup guidelines are available at the Text Creation Partnership web site . eng Dissenters, Religious -- England. 2005-07 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2005-10 SPi Global Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2006-06 Ali Jakobson Sampled and proofread 2006-06 Ali Jakobson Text and markup reviewed and edited 2006-09 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion THE NON-CONFORMIST'S CHAMPION HIS CHALLENGE ACCEPTED ; OR , An Answer to Mr. Baxter's PETITION FOR PEACE , Written long since , but now first published , upon his repeated Provocations and importune Clamors , that it was never answered . Whereunto is prefixed An EPISTLE To Mr. BAXTER ; With some Remarks upon his Holy Common-wealth , UPON His Sermon to the House of Commons , UPON His Non-conformists Plea for Peace , And upon his ANSWER to Dr. STILLINGFLEET . By RI. HOOKE , D. D. Vicar of Halyfax . LONDON , Printed for Tho. Flesher , at the Angel and Crown , in St. Paul's Church-yard . Anno Dom. 1682. TO THE READER . YOU will find the following Letter to Mr. Baxter long enough , and therefore I shall say little by way of Preface . But to advertise you , That this Answer to the Petition for Peace was written A. 1661. the same year the Petition was published by Mr. Baxter , in the Name of the Non-conforming Commissioners , by his Majesty impowered to treat with the Right Reverend Bishops , touching some Alterations to be made in the Liturgy : and 't is now onely transcribed and published without any material Alteration : This if you carry in your Mind in the Reading thereof , 't will prevent divers Mistakes , which otherwise may be made in the Mis-timing it , and particularly about the pretended great Sufferings of the Non-conformists , of which , in the Petition , they make loud and frequent , but false Complaints . The Episcopal Party having by them deeply suffered for many years . But the Non-conformists at that time , having not suffered in the least , and being as capable as the Conformists , would they have submitted to the wholesome Orders of the Church of England , of enjoying Favor and Preferment ; unto which Mr. Baxter boasts that himself was courted . As to my Remarks upon his Commonwealth , if he shall object , that he published to the World his Desire that Book may be look'd upon as Non Scriptus ; and so he is not concern'd in the Seditious Theses by him laid down , and by me laid open . I leave it to himself to judge whether such an insignificant Nothing ( the wiping his Mouth after so black a Crime ) be to him a sufficient Purgation , to the World a sufficient Satisfaction , and ( which is most considerable ) whether his bare Wish , his Book were not written , be sufficient to undeceive and bring to Repentance the many whom it may have corrupted and tempted to Rebellion . 'T is the Wish of one of Mr. Baxter's own Party for him , what Nero wisht for himself , That he had never known Letters . Truly it were to be wisht , That , when ( Labouring under Sickness , as he saith ) he had written his Everlasting Rest , he had gon to it : He hath been so restless ever since , and so great a Troubler of Israel ; that without a deep Repentance of his dangerous Errors and Actings , I fear he will come short of that Blessed Rest . There goes a Story , That Hugh Peters , riding in Querpo by Oliver's Coach , in a great Rain , and he offered to lend him his Coat ; he told him , He would not be in his Coat for a Thousand Pound . Seriously , I would not be in Mr. Baxter's Condition for a Thousand Worlds ( holding his Principles ) for all his great Pretensions of Godliness , and frequent Appeals to the last Judgment ; where those who are contentious , uncharitable , fierce , heady , high-minded , who speak evil of Dignities , and resist the higher Powers , though they have the Form of Godliness , will be condemned , as well as the openly ungodly and profane . If he think me severe , 't is onely in order to his Repentance ( which I heartily desire ) that I display his Errors with some Plainness . And truly I judge Complements and soft Words not fit for Bigots and Perturbers of Church and State , and open Revilers of the Laws and the Government . I have oft wondred at and pitied an old Statesman , who , when he might live in Honour and Peace , is ever in Trouble , and cannot go quietly to his Grave . And I have the same Passion for Mr. Baxter , a Statesman too , But the Salamander can live no where but in the Fire . And a Person who loves Suits , though they have wasted his whole Estate , if he had another , would spend it all in Law. I would some of Mr. Baxter's Friends could persuade him to leave off Controversies , and imploy the Remainder of his Life in writing Retractations , a Work proper and necessary for him , if for any other in this quarreling and contradictious Age. I have offered you some Reasons why the Episcopal Commissioners thought not fit to make Answer to the Petition for Peace . The Reason why I have answered it is , To take down Mr. Baxter's confident and frequent Boastings in his late passionate Writings , as if it were unanswerable ; and , to vindicate the Church of England ; which , as one truly saith , whosoever hath the Learning and Temper to consider and understand , doth know to be the brightest Image of primitive Purity and Worship , and the most perfect Conjuncture of the most ancient and most holy Faith , that , since the primitive Times of Persecution , any man had ever the Honor of suffering for or defending . The God of Peace and Truth continue the True Religion with our Peace , and cast out that Spirit of Contention , Division and Disobedience which possesseth the Dissenters ; and give them the Spirit of Meekness , Humility and Christian Subjection unto Authority . ERRATA . p. 20. for greeting reade Grotius . p. 26. for Caution , Canton . p. 30. for shortly , surely . p. 33. after Loud this stroke — p. 37. for Savoy , sawcy , p. 39. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . p. 40. for Those Apostles , The Apostles . p. 84. for That will contribute , That you will contri . p. 87. l. 1. dele that . p. 91. l. 5. dele England . p. 103. for Reverend , Reverenc'd . p. 105. in Marian , in the Marian. p. 107. for vobis , nobis . TO Mr. Richard Baxter . SIR , IF this Paper shall doe any good or harm , you will have a share of the praise or blame , since it had never seen the light , had it not been brought forth by your midwifery . Meeting lately with your Non-conformist Pleas , I found the Petition for Peace often in them mentioned ; and again , more than once in your Answer to Dr. Stillingfleet ; and as oft as you name it , you are pleas'd to say , 'T was never answered ; whereby you would make the World believe 't is unanswerable : This brought to my remembrance , that I had by me your Petition for Peace , and had answer'd it the same year 't was published , but kept it private , in expectation of an Answer from the Episcopal Commissioners , who were most able and most concerned ; but they not thinking fit to doe it , for reasons best known to themselves , and perhaps for some hereafter mentioned ; and the Liturgy of the Church , with some Alterations of the Convocation , being shortly after by Law established ; I laid by my Answer as needless , and scarce thought of it more , till your bold and angry Plea caused me to seek it out among many scattered Papers , and to review , transcribe , and expose it . I expect ( but without fear of its defensibleness ) that you will quarrel at it ; you are known to be of a polemical humour and temper , of a hot Brain and hasty Pen ; the Hector of the Old Cause , the Non-conformists Pope : I wrong you not in the Appellation : You have more than proved it in Acting the Pope . Yours are the two Swords ; and you have , with mighty valour , drawn them both . The temporal Sword you have drawn against the King in the late Rebellion , and you glory that you drew in with you many thousands : And in cold bloud , near twenty years after , you tell the World , you cannot see you were mistaken , nor dare you repent of it , nor forbear the same if it were to doe again in the same state of things . And , Sir , may I be so bold as to ask you , Are you not this day of the same mind , and wish the state of things were now the same , that you might be Doing again ? Blessed be God , who hath by Miracle taken from you the temporal Sword , and restored it to the King whose it is . But the spiritual Sword cannot be wrested from you , and this you are so daring as to draw still against the Church , upon which you are ever and anon making new Assaults : and here too you muster your holy Army , Two thousand Ministers , and by the number of those Centurions , we may guess how many are your Legions . Shall demonstrate to you further , how you take upon you the Pope , in both his claims of highest Power ? One over Kings , in your Holy Common-wealth ; bounding them all by your Laws for Government ; or rather , binding them in your long and heavy Chain of 380 Links . The other claim of highest Power over the whole Church you do in effect make , of being its universal , infallible Head and Guide ; where , you say , you have written a Treatise of The onely true terms of Concord of all Christian Churches , and of the false Terms , which they will never unite in , but are the causes of Schism . Here speaks an Oracle ; The onely terms of true and false Concord and Schism are in your Breast , and given out from your infallible Chair ; a rare and happy Catholicon ; O that it may work the Cure. Sorry I am it comes forth a little too late : had you published it in the vacancy of the See of Canterbury , you had infallibly been made Papa alterius orbis . When you penned the Petition for Peace , you proclaim to the World , you onely had the Spirit of fortitude , telling us how stoutly you stood up against the Bishops for the Old Cause , when deserted by all your brethren in the Conflict : But , I hope , you had not then attained the Spirit of infallibility , ( if so , I am upon a vain attempt ; and your Petition , as you suggest , is unanswerable ; ) and I have some ground to hope it ; since the pious old Gentleman who wrote Doctour Sanderson's Life assures us , that the present Bishop of Chester told him very lately , that one of the Dissenters ( whom he forbears to name , but you intimately know him ) appeared to Dr. Sanderson to be so bold , so troublesome , and so illogical in the Dispute at the Savoy , as forced the patient Bishop , then Moderatour to say , with an unusual earnestness , that he never met with a man of more pertinacious Confidence , and less Abilities in all his conversation . Sir , you talk much of Peace and Love , Concord and Vnion , and the Cure of Divisions and they are the Title of divers of your Books , yet abundance of judicious and peaceable person do think and say , that you have more opposed the Peace of the church ( and State too ) and contributed to its Divisions , than any , or all the party of your profession : Nay , that you are not at peace with your own party , and where they express their dissent from you , though , never so modestly , you treat them rudely and insolently ; as anon I may give you an Instance . At present I shall take the liberty to consider and offer you some of my Sentiments upon two of those Discourses I now named , your Holy Commonwealth , and your Plea for Peace . For the first , truly I was seised with wonder and grief at the sight of your Commonwealth , that seventeen years after our late Troubles began , and they yet continuing , you having in prospect our lamentable Confusions , and leisure to reflect upon the Ruins of the Church and State , and seeing the Kingdom overturned by Rebellion , Sedition , Murther and Plunder , the Violation of all the Laws and of all mens Rights , and the seising , sequestring and selling , the Estates of the King , the Bishops , and the most eminently loyal Subjects , and after the horrid Assassination of the King himself , turned into several monstrous forms , as the several powers and ambitious of several parties prevailed ; and seeing also the Church rent all into sects and factions , its holy Doctrine polluted with monstrous heresies , its apostolical Government pluckt up root and branch , its most religious Form of publick worship abolished , and every gifted Brother left to his private mode ; you could have so little sense and pitty ( that I say , not piety ) as not in the least to deplore the Calamities of our Zion ; that God , in the indignation of his anger , had despised the King and the Priest , cast off his Altar , abhorred his Sanctuary ; his Enemies roaring in the midst of his Congregations , and setting up their Banners for tokens : That in all your tedious Book you not once lament our Josiah , the Lord 's Anointed , taken in the snares of wicked men . Though in the beginning of it you resent the ill useage of the usurping Protector , to whom you give flattering Titles . Nay , that you could cry up those who had contrived and acted all these Mischiefs and Miseries , to be the Godly party , and theirs the Good cause ; and , as if there had been never such a thing as a Kingdom in England , you should form as Utopian Common-wealth by Centuries of wild and seditious Maxims . I may hereafter make some Animadversions upon your Common-wealth : I will now onely recall to your second thoughts a few of your Theses , which speak it not very holy . In your Preface , Romans the 13th . being objected unto you , you avow resistence of the King , with an offer of your Head to Justice as a Rebel , if any can prove , that the King was the Highest Power in the time of Division , and had Power to make that War : That is , If any can prove , the King was in Authortiy above those who , even when opposing him , acknowledged themselves his Subjects ; and , turning Rebels , he had Right by War to defend himself , and reduce them to obedience . ( Sir , you may bless God , that the King's Son and Successour was like him ; a most mercifull Prince , else your Offer might by his Justice have been taken . ) All Writers think Saint Paul means by the Higher Powers the Emperour ( or , which is all one , the King ) and name him ; and your self name him elsewhere , [ If a heathen persecuting Nero must be obeyed , ] and Saint Peter calls the King Supreme , and yet you miserably shuffie off both , with saying , The Romans hated the name of a King ( as the Party you sided with did ) and that it was neither the intent of Paul or Peter to determine whether the Emperour or Senate was supreme . But where the King is supreme , it is the will of God that the people should obey him . May I remind you that St. Paul did determine it , when he appealead not to the Senate , but to Caesar ; and St. Peter did determine it , when he calls the King supreme , and other Governours those who are sent by him . You challenge any man to let you know now one Nation upon all the Earth that hath better Governours , in Sovereign Power as to Wisedom and Holiness conjunct , than the Powers last laid by , that have been resisted and deposed in England : and you tell us who you mean when you say , The Lord Protector , prudently , piously , faithfully , to his immortal Honour , did exercise the Government . But how he came in you say not : Blessed be God , he went out soon ; his Goverment was not immortal ; and thanks to the King , not mortal to himself : against his Piousness I have nothing to object , but that he was Protectour : his Prudence , I readily with you acknowledge and his Honesty too , in acknowledging the King his father's Land-lord and his own , and being ready to remove when the Land-lord demanded possession , which saved him his head ; he being wiser than you , not to offer it so rashly : As for your Challenge of the Wisedom and Holiness of your Governours above all upon Earth ; please you to send it into Holland or Geneva , it will doubtless be accepted : but , though it displease you , I must tell you the Earth never saw more wicked and cruel Vsurpers than they , nor a more vain and idle Challenge than yours . shall leave you and Mr. Harrington to argue , whether the Army or Richard and his Senate were the wiser or holier Governours , and , passing by Centuries , shall onely remind you of a few of your Theses which speak your Loyalty . If Providence statedly disable him that was the Sovereign from executing the Laws , protecting the Just ; it maketh him an uncapable subject of the Power , and so deposeth him ; for a Governour so impotent is none ; and if the People disable him sinfully , by deserting him ; yet he is dismissed and disobliged from the Charge of Government ; and Innocent members are disobliged from being governed by him , though through the Sin of others . When Providence thus maketh any uncapable or indisposed , it destroyeth the Power as in such . 'T is the duty of a very weak though tolerable Governour , for the Common Good , to resign his Place to one that is every way more fit , and liker to obtain the ends of Government in a more excellent degree . If the person dispossest , though it were unjustly , do after become uncapable of Government ; 't is not the duty of his Subjects to seek his Restoration . If an Army of Neighbours or Inhabitants , or whoever , ( Turk or Pope ) do though injuriously expell the Sovereign , and resolve to ruine the Common-wealth rather than he shall be restored , and if the Common-wealth may prosper without his Restoration ; 't is the duty of such an injured Prince , for the Common Good , to resign his Government : and if he will not : the People ought to judge him as made uncapable by Providence , and not to seek his Restoration . To the apparent Ruin of the Common-wealth , a Prince must give up his Government , rather than fight for his Right to the spilling of Bloud . A rare Encouragement to Rebellion : 'T is Mr. B's Divinity , the longest Sword must carry it right or wrong ; and Rebels may spill Bloud to destroy their King , but a lawfull King may not , to preserve himself and his Kingdom . It seems David was to blame to fight with Absalom for the recovery of his Crown and Kingdom . What horrid Theses are these ! Onely the Common-wealth and Common-good ( of which the Common people , are Judges ) comes in ever as a Salvo . Name me a Jesuite that ever wrote at a higher rate . When a People are without a Governour , it may be the duty of such as have most strength ex charitate to protect the rest from injury . Just Protectour Oliver's case , he found out a way that the People should be without a Governour , and then his most strength was a mighty impulse to this great Charity , to protect the People . Providence , by Conquest and other means , doth use so to qualifie some persons above others for the Government , when the place is void , that no other persons shall be capable Competitours , and the persons shall be as good as named by Providence whom the people are bound by God to choose or consent to . Examples Massianello . The Rump , Oliver , Richard , Multitudes of wicked , criminous persons how rich soever , should much rather be excluded from choosing Governours than honest Beggars . This , this , this is the great Point that the welfare of most Common-wealths doth depend upon . This , this , this will set Kingdoms and Common-wealths all on fire , he who is wicked to one Party is godly to another ; and to be rich when your Party reigned was to be criminous and malignant , if loyal . But to prevent contention and injustice , your high wisdom hath found out an excellent Law. Let all Pastours in England that are approved or tolerated have an Instrument of approbation or toleration , and let no man be a Chuser or Ruler who is not signified under the Pastour's hand to be a Member of his Church , or that shall be cast out . Let every Parish have one or two of the wisest men , by the superiour Rulers , made Church-Justices or Censours , to meet with the Church-Officers , and to take cognizance of the Cause ; and let all that are cast out by the Church-Justices and Churches consent be registred and disabled to vote . If a People that by oath and duty are obliged to a Sovereign shall sinfully dispossess him , and , contrary to their Covenants , choose and covenant with another , they may be obliged by their later Covenants , notwithstanding the former ; and particular Subjects , that consented not with them in the breaking of their former Covenants , may yet be obliged by occasion of their later choice to the person whom they choose ; when men by contrary Covenants have cast themselves into a necessity of sinning , it may be a duty to choose the lesser Sin. Though a Nation wrong their King , yet may he not lawfully war against the Publick good on that account , nor any help him in such a War. Princes , if their Injuries by their Subjects are too great to be born , they may lay down their Crowns at their pleasure . If a Nation injuriously deprive themselves of a worthy Prince , the hurt will be their own , and they punish themselves . But if it be necessary to their welfare , it is no injury to him . Was ever any thing more seditious , wild and contradictious to it self ? Horresco referens : 'T is no Injury ( saith Mr. Baxter ) to a Prince , to deprive him , though worthy : 'T is no Sin : Onely the Subjects hurt themselves . It may be necessary to the Subjects welfare to injure a worthy Prince , and to hurt and punish themselves . Is of the same Bran. Though some Injury to the King be the occasion of the War , it is the duty of all the People to defend the Common-wealth against him , yet so as they protest against that Injury . This Protestation washes them white , and they now owe him no satisfaction for their Injury , but may add Injury to Injury . The People must side with the Parliament , against the King , till it be notorious that the Parliament have deceived and betrayed them . This you think not yet notorious , though the Parliament have murthered the King , abjured his Successour and usurped the Government . Names are not the onely Notes of Sovereignty : If a King have the Title of Supreme Head or onely Sovereign of his Dominions ; and yet a Senate have an essential part without the Name ; they lose not their part , nor is it to be judged by the Name : If the whole Family with whom the people were in Covenant be extirpated or become incapable ( by a stronger Power injuriously expelling the Family however or by whom soever , as before you have told us ) the People may new form the Government as they please : that is , The good People of the Army , by whom the Royal Family is extirpated . Many more of your Theses , such as these , I might expose , but these are too many : and 't is next to incredible , that a person professing Godliness should expose to the World such ungodly Positions , and endeavour to render Supreme Majesty and Sovereign Power cheap and vile , ambulatory and open , to any Invader , when God hath declared Kings to be Sacred , not to be touched ; will have none to rise up against them ; to all who resist them hath threatned Damnation . Well Mr. Baxter , you shall take it for a Polititian , and all sober and knowing persons will say , that Machiavel was no body to you ; your Holy Common-wealth hath infinitely out-done his Profane Prince . But , Sir , I must doe you that right , to publish unto your honour , that there is one fair Pearl found in your Dunghill ; one Thesis , among abundance wretchedly wicked , which is hugely honest and pious . It is the Subjects duty to defend their Prince with their Strength and hazard of their Lives against all foreign and domestick Enemies that seek his Life and Ruine : the Reason , every man is to doe it in his place and calling , Fidelity requireth it , the Common good requireth it ; else no man that is wise would be a King or Governour ; for if the People be not bound to defend him , he is but set up to be the object of envy and a bait to the ambitious , to entice men to invade him , and execute their fury on him . I leave you to reconcile your other Principles and your Practice with this ; and so I shall take leave of your Holy Common-wealth , when I have considered your Reasons of taking up Arms for the Parliament : and , I must tell you , the most of those you call Reasons are undutifull and uncharitable Reflexions upon the King , his Council , his Army , and all his loyal Subjects , who stood up in defence of his Majesty , the established Religion , and the Laws , against the pretended Parliament , who by impious Arms invaded and violated them all . You are pleased to bestow the good names of Ignorant , Drunken , and Vngodly , upon those who approved not the Puritans intemperate Heat and fiery Zeal , and the Parliaments bloudy Reformation ; and , very mannerly , you call the King's Council Delinquent ; and , as charitably , his Armies Impious and Popish ; and yet you confess your own godly-army as bad & worse . In the Armies some of our hopefull Professours turned Drunkards , some turned away from Ministers , Ordinances , Scripture Godliness , from Christ , and from common Sobriety and Civility ; some , that sped best , lament their Coolings and Distempers . You will not believe the Parliament began the War though the King gives you a demonstration of it ; but you determine the Question rarely well , in telling us , your self begun it , and were the first Incendiary : The War , you say , was begun in our Streets before the King or Parliament had an Army ; and so you had the honour first to be a General of your own creating , before Essex , without Commission from King or Parliament . The Parliaments causeless jealousies you justifie ; but the King 's just Fears you slight . To the Objection , The Tumults at Westminster drove him away ; you answer , Onely by displeasing him , not by endangering him or medling with him . So the Parliaments Army , their Cannons and Muskets only affrighted , did not endanger him . You have all faith for the Parliament , but none for the King , who in his Meditations tells you he was more than displeased . You say , The Parliament did not raise War against the Person or Authority of the King. You might have as truly said , Their Army did not fight where the King was in person ; at Edghill , Newbery , and Naseby . O but , Their Commissions ran for King and Parliament , and their Souldiers , if askt who they were for , answered , for King and Parliament and the Solemn League and Covenant , all run for King and Parliament . What talk you of Commissions , equivocating Covenants , and dissembling Declarations ; when you fought against the King's person , took him , imprisoned him , and , at last , murthered him . You may wash your hands with Pilate , and tell us , Your horrid Cruelties were onely consequents , not effects of the War : But the Bloud of the King , and his Loyal Subjects , which you spilt , will be upon you , unless you wash it away by a deep Repentance . For your taking up Arms against the King , you rely upon the authority of Mr. Prin , who pleaded the Parliaments cause in revenge for his Ears , and in gratitude for their releasing and bringing him to London in triumph ; of greeting one of a foreign Countrey and a great Common-wealths-man ; of Barkly a Papist : and indeed from them you learnt this wicked Doctrine . You might , had you been impartial , consulted Judge Jenkins , your friend Hales , Dudly Digs , and , the never to be answered , Royal Apology . These would have taught you , that the Laws of God and the Land forbid in all cases resistance against the King , command subjection ; but let these and your other shews and faint shadows of reason vanish . The most substantial one , which you chiefly urge and enlarge on , is , That the King is not ( as all his good Subjects have been taught to believe ) the Sovereign ; but that the Parliament hath a part in the Supremacy ; an Assertion directly contrary to the Oath of Supremacy , which you elsewhere confess secures the King's Title against all foreign Claims of Pope or any other , and consequently against all home-bread Vsurpers , and every Member of Parliament takes that Oath , and the Long Parliament , even when making War against the King , confess themselves in their Declarations his Majestie 's most loyal and humble Subjects . I dare not with you presume to talk at pleasure of Kings and Parliaments . I have all due veneration for Parliaments next unto and under the King. But I never learnt , that they were sharers in the Supremacy , and , I believe , it would be a flattery as displeasing to a Parliament , as injurious to the King , to ascribe unto it a part of the Sovereignty . One of yours tells us that formerly the Name of a King was an Idol unto his Subjects ; but now , by the courage of the Parliament , 't is death to that man , and his father's house , that durst name a King ; and you make an Idol of the name of a Parliament , and dare to say , that if you had known the Parliament had been the Beginners , and in most fault ; yet their Ruin is a Punishment greater than any fault against a King ( his Murther , and the Ruin of his Family , and all his loyal Subjects ) can from him deserve . And now , Sir , your Audacity begets in me the Confidence to tell you , that your Rebellion was most foul , and the Arms you bare were against both King and Parliament , for that you call so was an idol , a nothing , no parliament ; but onely some corrupted members of it , which had by tumults and threats frighted away , as the King , so all the sound and loyal Members of Parliament , both Lords and Commons , and that in so great a number , that they made a Parliament in Oxford . Now , seeing the Parliament thus divided , a part against the King , a part as great for him , Prudence and Loyalty might have taught you either to have sat still and bewailed the unhappy rupture and division , and prayed for a closure and reconciliation ; or to have joyned with the King and the loyal part of his Parliament : but of the Sovereignty of Parliaments enough . I pray God grant the King and kingdom may nevermore see the like to that you plead for , and served under with such a perseverance that , you say , you would doe it again in the same state of things . Your honest Friend , when he saw here a Leg and there and Arm in the way , saith , as you tell us , it was time for him to stop . 'T was in him a poor pusillanimity : but such was your magnanimity , that Legs and Arms could not stop your Career , you could undauntedly march on through bloud and slaughters . 'T was a cowardly , cruel Triumph in your other honest Friend . Mr. Love , to flourish his handkerchief dipt in the bloud of that great Prelate , when dead , whose venerable face he durst not have lookt on when alive . But your valiant Sword drencht it self in bloud in the field of Mars . You were as bold as the brutish brave horse in Job , You cloathed your neck with thunder ; the glory of your nostrils was terrible ; you rejoyced in your strength ; you went on to meet the armed man ; you mocked at fear , were not affrighted , nor turned your back to the sword ; you said among the trumpets , Ha , ha ; and your Trumpet sounded as loud as they , Curse ye Meroz , curse ye bitterly . Cursed be the man that doth the work of the Lord negligently ; cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from bloud . But 't is time to sound a retreat . Valiant Sir , had your Arms been no stouter than your Arguments , you had forsaken the field , as you plainly do , when in the close of your Reasons for the late War you confess , that every one of your Reasons is not a sufficient medium to infer your conclusion : But altogether shew upon what grounds you proceed to dispute the point : So that you justifie Treason upon the very same grounds on which the noble Earl of Strafford was condemned , on pretence of it . When none could be prov'd against him single , he must die for Treason accumulative . I shall ease your patience upon this subject , when I have reminded you , that you have much mis-timed your Holy Common-wealth : Therein you shew your self a great Dictatour , but little a Polititian , and less a Prophet ; when you send it forth in the dark and dismal night of confusion , and could not stay to take a prospect of the morning ; when ( the blazing and affrighting Comets pestiferous matter being spent ) the Sun was ariseing in brightness and returning in glory . But your zeal for the restoring your prudent and pious Richard blinded your Eyes , and that heat put out the light , and so you thought the Common-wealth would bring him in again . Well , yet you were not wholly forsaken in your Politicks : but when , though late , you discovered the Protectorship and the Common-wealth expiring , and the King like to be restored , you expiated your little errours by a great merit ; you preached to the honourable House of Commons in Parliament , and as in your Epistle , and elsewhere you boast , God and they put upon you a great honour ; the next morning after they acknowledged his Majestie 's Authority : But surely , Sir , 't was no effect of your Sermon , but their own Loyalty which wrought upon them to make that acknowledgment . You all along in your Sermon reflect on the Royal Party as profane , and censuring the Puritans and Precisians who dare not be so bad as they : Nay , you implicitly accuse that Honourable House , as if there were some among them ( and 't is easie to guess whom you mean ) that would take that man as a Puritan and Phanatick , who would employ half so much time for his Soul and the Service of the Lord , as they do in unnecessary sports and pleasures , and pampering their flesh . And you freely tell them that , God must have the precedency , and , as our Calamities began with Differencies in Religion , and still , that 's the Wound , that most needs closing ; and , with grief and shame we see this Work so long undone : Which plainly implies , you would have this Work done according to your Covenant by the Parliament , before the King come in ; and , putting a high value on your self , and all of your mind , you declare , they shut you out , if they would enforce you to administer Sacraments without discipline , and the conduct of your own discretion ; and , say you , Give first to God the things that are God's , and then give unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's : that is , first set up the Discipline before you admit Caesar : This was the method of your Brethren in Scotland . And you here again caution and share the Sovereignty . 'T is right indeed as you say , A Papist must cease to be a Papist , if he be truly and fully loyal to his Sovereign : and 't is as true , A Presbyterian must cease to be a Presbyterian , if he be truly and fully loyal to his Sovereign : but you hide him under the general name of Protestant , and tell us , so a Protestant must so far cease to be a Protestant , before he can be disloyal : ( you should have said , a Protestant truly conformable to the Church of England ) such a one can never be disloyal : But behold how rarely you prove your non-conforming Protestant cannot be disloyal ; for Rom. the 13th . is part of the Rule of his Religion : but unhappily there hath been a difference among us , which is the higher power , when those which have their shares in the Sovereignty are divided ? But whether we should be subject to the higher power is no question to us . Very pretty pure Jesuitism . Sir , True Protestants of the Church of England were never so unhappy as to differ about the higher power . They all agreed it was the King ; and that none did or ought to share with him in the Sovereignty . 'T is the Papist ( whom you confess to be in your Counsels and Armies ) and you who unhappily differ , which is the higher power . They say , not the King , but the Pope ; you say , not the King , but the Parliament ; and Rom. the 13th . is part of the Rule of their Religion as well as yours ; and whether they should be subject to the higher power is no more a question with them than with you , and so you prove the Papists as good Subjects as your selves . This then is your argument for your Loyalty . 'T is no question with you , whether you should be subject to the higher power ; but unhappily you differ , and are ignorant who is the higher power , to whom you should be subject ? you did not know whether England was a Kingdom or a Common-wealth , whether the King was higher than the Parliament , whom he hath power to convoke and dissolve when he thinks fit : who call themselves his Subjects , and recognise his Sovereignty , by swearing unto him allegiance : thus your unhappy and invincible ignorance , who was the higher power , hath led you more unhappily to take part with the lower , but stronger power , and to resist and destroy the higher . May your timely Repentance prevent the doom denounced Romans the 13th . But this , and your other little slips in arguing , proceeded from your present want of advantages for study . Having and using Book but a Bible and a Concordance , as you say in your Epistle ; How vain , how false , how rankly smells it of the Pharisee ? What want of advantages for study in London ? Could not all the publick Libraries or Booksellers shop furnish you with Books for A Sermon of Repentance ? But advantages though you wanted , you needed not . I must with you collaud your Sermon , and cofess you have spoken well of Repentance , and home to diverse particular Sins , and powerfully prest several Duties : but that which was the Duty of the Day , to lay open the Sin and deprecate the Guilt of the late unparallel'd Rebellion , and the Murther of his late Majesty , our most gracious and religious King , and the most injurious Expulsion of his present Majesty from his Crown and Kingdoms , and to press his speedy Restoration ; this hath no place in your Sermon . Surely your topical Head , had your Heart been for it , and had you that respect for the King as for Richard , could from your Bible and Concordance alone have so laid open the Sin and laid home the Duty , as at once to have pricked and bowed the hearts of all Israel forthwith to send unto the King , and say , Return thou and all thy servants : This , indeed , you faintly confess was some little part of your duty , to have minded your Auditours what Sins of the Land must be remembred and loathed in order to Peace and Healing , but your Glass forbad you . It seems your time for a whole hour was imployed in a Work more proper and necessary than that which would conduce to the Peace and Healing of the Nation . But , Sir , I fear 't was another kind of Glass forbad you , which would have reflected them on you with so ugly a countenance , that you could not endure the sight . The Sins of the Land you should have minded them of were gainfull Sins , the Goods and Lands the Godly Party had won by the Sword from the Wicked and Delinquents , and to remember , so as to loath and vomit up these ; oh , it would break their tender hearts shortly . Though in your other Tenets you are , they say , volatile , yet , as to your Politicks , you are constant to your self : the very same in your Sermon as in your Common-wealth . And you are still the same in your Plea for Peace : As the review of the Calamities and Cofusions of the Church and State , after seventeen years , could work in you then no change , nor reconcile you to the banished King and Church of England ; so now , that for seventeen years more you have beheld the King and the Church restored , which was the Lord's doing , and even done by Miracle , and is marvelous in our eyes ; it is grievous in yours ; and , by a pretended Plea for Peace , you proclaim a new War. Never did any man talk of Peace and cast about , as you do , Fire-brands , Arrows , and Death . Your Petition for Peace is advanced to a Plea , and that Plea is all Satyr . Others , you say , are answering your Book , I shall onely take notice of your Epistle : And you begin with a furious Charge against the Government : It is near seventeen years since Two thousand Ministers of Christ were , by Law , forbidden the Exercise of their Office unless they did conform ; which they durst not doe ; because they feared God : Foreseeing what Conformity would doe to the destroying of Love and Concord , and of men's Souls ; weakning the Land , encouraging Popery , Heresie and Schism . Could ever any thing be said in so few words by the greatest Boautefew in the world , more seditiously , undutifully and uncharitably ? Did ever the world see such a Defiance of the Laws by a pretended Pleader for Peace , of which the Laws are Conservatours , as this Herauld denounces in the name of his Thousands ? Ministers of Christ ! No minister of Anti-christ could bring such a railing Accusation against Rulers . These are they that speak evil of Dignities . What can you say worse against a Dioclesian , than to forbid the Ministers of Christ , not conforming , the Exercise of their Office ? To make Laws which they who feared God durst not obey ; Laws which tend to the destroying Love , Concord , yea , mens Souls ; Laws encouraging Popery , Heresie and Schism ; Laws weakning the Land. 'T is great pitty the Land is not govern'd by the Laws of your Holy Common-wealth . That Law of Christ , of Loving Enemies , our most mercifull King doth but too strictly observe ; he loves them but too much : else ere this you had been called to a severe account for your vile Aspersion of the Laws and Violation of the Majesty of the Law-giver . 2. You accuse the Magistrates as Persecutours , and cry out of your Parties , and your own Sufferings , which in your Petition for Peace you repeat ad Ravim usque . The Penalties of Forty pounds a Sermon , and long Imprisonment in common Gaols , and driving us Five miles from Corporations , and places where we lately preacht . The Laws and Canons imprison and excommunicate us ipso facto if we do but give the Reasons of our Non-conformity . A loud Name The Law ( or Canon ) that does so , for onely giving the Reasons of your Non-conformity . We are made their Scorn , and many want Bread , and they choose Beggery and Scorn , and live onely on mens Charity ; therefore cannot be , as they are accused , covetous or proud . The Romish Fryars not onely choose , but vow Poverty and Scorn , yet you may perhaps think them covetous and proud . But , Sir , How 't is in your parts I know not , and am sorry to see you accuse the rich and numerous Disciples of your separated Congregations of Covetousness and want of Charity , in suffering their Teachers to want Bread and live in Beggery . I must tell you , in our colder Climate their Charity is much warmer . The Non-conforming Ministers are generally fat and full , rich , and build , and buy Land. I profess , I know not any one , in the Countrey where I live , but is able in Estate : and your self , blessed be God , have Bread enough and to spare . But yet you are a Sufferer too under bitter Accusations and Persecutions , and have lain in a Gaol among Malefactors — You tell us not how long . And your lying in a Gaol , being for your Disobedience against the Law , you were , as they among whom you lay , a Malefactor . You know well , as you will be told anon , who suffered by your sovereign Masters all this , and the loss of all their Estates besides , for their Obedience to the Laws : and , Sir , I doubt not but , in your Gaol , you had the like Visits and Comforts with Mr. Calamy from the Sisters . 3. You talk most scornfully and uncharitably of the Conforming Clergy , calling them , The accusing Clergy , charging them with false Reports , Wrath , Cross interest , and Tantum non with Malignity and Diabolism , and with Urging Rulers to confine , imprison , excommunicate , silence , undoe — And of the Writings of the most able for Conformity , whom you name , and tell us you have read many more such : sitting in the Scorners Chair you say , Mr. Tombs hath said more for Anabaptistry ; the late Hungarian for Polygamy : many for Drunkenness , Stealing and Lying in cases of necessity than you ever yet read , for the lawfulness of all you have here described . O Modesty ! You should have said , than You ever yet writ against the lawfullness of all you have here opposed . But you are most concerned about the Counterminer . I hope you charge him not with those bloudy words you blot your Paper with ; they are your own , not his ; why then do you so suspiciously bring them in with this invidious Preface , But I must say , If such as the Counterminer will say ? The Counterminer , indeed , calls things by their own names : What is such , he calls Treason , Rebellion , Schism , Faction , Pride , Obstinacy ; and you , of all men , may pardon him , who speaks Truth just as you speak your Errors ; a little imperiously and insultingly . Thus your self ease your mind , as you say some men do , by pouring out a Torrent of reproachfull and scornfull words . Nay , you go higher , and give threatning words , not to suspect that ill boding one , This unarmed Account is easily trampled upon : By which some may think you would be preaching again in a Buff Coat , and with a Sword by your side . Nor to mention again the Legs and Arms in the way ; you conclude in terrible , dangerous , menacing Language ; If you will not hear , those will , whom God will use to the Healing of these Churches . Sir , I shall not comment on these strange words . But we have now ( as you formerly had ) jealousies and fears from the timing of your Plea for Peace , which you send forth after 17 years silence , and in the name of your Thousands ; in this critical conjuncture of affairs ; that there is some Design on foot more than ordinary ; and for that you were resolute to put it out , notwithstanding your prudent Friends persuaded you , silently to leave all to God , and assured you , it would but exasperate : but persuaded you would not be ; and exasperate you would , even by a Plea for Peace ; and with your Pretious Balms you break our Heads ; and while you embrace , you smite under the fifth Rib ; and you encrease our Doubts by your Quarrelling , and some of you Libelling the excellently learned Dean of St. Paul's , a strong Pillar of the Church , whom you once caressed . I have done with your Epistle , and , as I told you , will not meddle with your Plea. Onely I ask you , Is this a likely Plea for Peace ? wherein , not content to urge the old Objections , you strain and set your wit and invention on the Rack , to find out new Exceptions , and torture every joint and member of the Liturgy ; and multiply little scruples against Conformity , in infinitum ; and the poor Calendar cannot scape you . To shew your skill in Astronomy , you pick quarrels with the Almanack , which , as your Con. Non. Non. Con. brother Cheny tells you , you had better let alone , and referre the matter to a Jury of Almanack-makers . But this was a piece of Savoy wit , and you will not pardon it in a Brother : He writing a very meek and modest Answer to your Plea , with all deference to your person and worth ; you expose him , deride him as a Coward for flying , and not daring as you to choose the Goal : you insult over him , trample upon him , and render him the most pittifull thing that ever peept abroad in print : and , in your petulant Answer to him , you let fly also very boldly against the Government : and yet , Sir , he is too hard for you in divers points of greater difference between you , as those of Episicopacy , Re-ordination , Renunciation on of the Covenant — And you in effect fly the field , and leave him the victory : and though you slight him , you confess you fear him . Being a Brother , though weak , yet you say , his concessions and coming so near the Truth doth give him more advantage against your Party than the ablest of the Conformists , who will assault you with less success than he : they having a kindness for him , will read him ; but not the other , having against them a prejudice . And for that reason , the greater men , who you say are about to confute your Book , may spare their labour ; there being no hope to doe good on your Party , as you cunningly insinuatè , to prevent a Confutation ; and truly , for another reason , they may let it alone ; you having a singular way of writing ( which your intimate acquaintance with Schism hath taught you ) to divide and subdivide in semper divisibilia : you are a great Captain , and never march into the field but with hundreds following you ; in your Holy Common-wealth , in your Pleas , first and second , in your Answer to Dr. Stillingfleet , and generally , in all your Books ( besides your very frequent excursions to other matter ) you do so multiply Quaeries , Propositions , and Aphorisms , and have so many little heads and minute particulars , that those who write against your Books must measure and number atoms to trace you 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , which few will have the pleasure to doe ; and if they onely make Remarks and Animadversions , you will say , they do but nible and cavil , and dare not fairly attack you by a full and just Confutation . And I may add another reason : The excellent Dean of Canterbury hath done your work , and compleatly answered your Plea in two pages of his Sermon . Your whole business in your Plea is to make the world believe , you are bound in conscience to preach and exercise your Office , as you call it , after your own mode , contrary to the Laws and Orders in the Church established . He there most clearly demonstrates your Error , and with it that of the Papists . I can not think that any pretence of Conscience warrants any man that is not extraordinarily commissioned , as the Apostles and first Publishers of the Gospel were , and can not justifie that Commission by Miracles , as they did , to affront the established Religion of a Nation ( though it be false ) and openly to draw men off from the Profession of it , in contempt of the Magistrate and the Law. All that persons of a different Religion can in such a case reasonably pretend unto , is , to enjoy their private Liberty and Exercise of their own Conscience and Religion ; for which they ought to be very thankfull , and to forbear the open making of Proselytes to their own Religion ( though they be never so sure they are in the right ) till they have either an extraordinary Commission from God to that purpose , or the Providence of God make way for it , by the permission of the Magistrate . But this you call a Slip of his Pen , and pretend you have rectified it , telling us , 'T is the Duty of those who are set apart to the Office of the Ministery , to preach the Gospel by way of discharge of that Office : We have the Apostles express authority and example for this , who when they were threatned and commanded to speak no more in Christ 's name , have left us their answer upon record , We ought to obey God rather than man. We have also the Precedent of the first three hundred years after these Apostles , when the Gospel was nevev preached , but contrary to the will of the Magistrate , that is , against the Laws and Edicts of the Emperors . Instead of mending a supposed Slip of Dr. Tillotson's Pen , you have made a foul Blot with your own : his Position is , No man , unless he hath an extraordinary Commission as the Apostles , ought to preach or make Proselytes in affront to the established Religion of a Nation , and in contempt of the Magistrate , and the Law prohibiting it . You affirm the contrary , That all who have an ordinary Call to the Office ministerial , ought to preach , though prohibited by the Laws and Edicts of the Magistrate . And the Medium you make use of to prove it is the example of the Apostles , who had an extraordinary Call and Commission . This is your Argument , The Apostles ( having an immediate and extraordinary Call and Commission from Christ to preach the Gospel ) did preach it ; notwithstanding the commands and threatnings of the Magistrate ; therefore all Ministers , having an ordinary Call , may preach , though by the Magistrate prohibited . Thus you confirm the Doctor 's assertion , pretending to confute it . Having no proof or instance of ordinary Ministers preaching contrary to the command of the Magistrate ; you fly to the example of extra-ordinary Ministers , the Apostles , the very thing that he asserts , that they may ; others , not called as they , may not preach against the Laws and the Edict of the Magistrate . What you add of the Precedent of the first three hundred years after the Apostles , is as impertinent as the other is weak , and nothing parallel to this case . The Emperors then were Heathens , Persecutors of the Christian Religion , made Laws against all preaching of the Gospel ; yet all the Ministers preached notwithstanding those Laws and Edicts . The King is now a Christian , the Defender of the Faith , commands by his Laws the Preaching of the Gospel ; onely the Laws require all Preachers to walk by the same Rule , and submit to the same Order . You refuse to preach according to Rule and Order in Communion with the Church ; but will preach in Division from the Church , and in Defiance of the Laws of a Christian Prince and the Orders in the Church established . Sir , In your Reply to Dr. Stillingfleet You provoke any person to name that Principle cherishing Rebellion which you have not renounced . I must tell you , this Principle of the Obligation of Ministers to preach and doe divine Offices after their own mode , in separated Congregations , against the Laws of the Christian Magistrate and the Church , is a Principle cherishing Rebellion , and you have not renounced it . And , in the said Reply , I do charge you of dilivering a Principle more than cherishing Rebellion , the very same with those in your Holy Common-wealth , and your Sermon to the House of Commons . But I pray the learned Doctors pardon in thrusting my Sickle into their Corn , you will find them well able to defend themselves against your angry assaults ; I shall take the boldness onely to mention two or three of your exceeding Vanities , and Extravagances in your Answers to the worhty Dean of St. Paul's . You tell him , his logical faculty runs lamentably low ; but , Sir , men think yours runs miserably low , even to Dotage . When in your Epistle , you are so idle as to muster up above twenty sorts of Disputants too hard for you , of which , one you call the Universalist , who will prove you an Ass , because you are an Animal . Sure , by this Vniversalist , you mean Mr. L'Estrange , who is a little too free with you in his Answer to your Petition for Peace , which I doubt not you have seen , though you forget your self , and call it unanswered ; he is a pleasant Gentleman , and you , being now upon the merry pin , might easily prevail with him for an ingenious Descant upon the several Qualifications you give of your One and twenty Disputants . Another sort of those Disputants you tell us are , such as will not reade or answer your fullest Defence already written , but look you should begin a new . Here , Sir , we think you are greatly out in your account ; we believe there are no Disputants of this sort ; men are so far from looking you should begin a new , that they wish you had never begun at all , and fear you will never end the world's Trouble and your own contentious Disputing : and , How know you they will not or have not read your Defence ? and if they will not read or answer it , Why are you angry ? Are all men bound to read your Books ? and if none will answer you , you have the last word , and you know whom that pleases . But how those who will not reade nor answer you should be a sort of Disputants too hard for you passes our shallow understanding . Pray , in your next , resolve this Ridle ; and be pleased to tell us , which of your many is your fullest Defence , and then perhaps some may be so kind to you as to reade and answer it . Another flash of wit and piece of gayety I cannot but remark , coming from a person of your Gravity , if you be , as I suppose you are , the Compiler . We cannot but appeal to the Higher Powers to have it revised and judge — when we have been ordained already , as Timothy , by Laying on of the hands of the Presbytery , whether the Lawn be de essentia to the Ceremony , and the Hands avail nothing without the Sleeves on . Sir , St. Paul appealed to Caesar ; you cannot but appeal to the Higher Powers . It seems with you there are Higher Powers than Caesar . And as you mistake the Object , so you do the Subject matter or Case of your Appeal , which should be , Whether Timothy who was ordained by the Laying on of the hands of the Prebytery — was not again ordained by the Laying on of the hands of St. Paul , and the Higher Powers may put you to prove your selves ordained as was Timothy , which will be a little difficult , and your Quoeries will be to them as hard ; Whether the hands of the Presbytery were without Sleeves ? Whether Saint Paul had Lawn Sleeves ? Whether Ordination be a Ceremony ? Whether a Ceremony hath any thing belonging to it de essentia ? Important Quoeries all these verily , and fit to be revised and judged by the Higher Powers , if you knew who they were ; but alas you do not ; as you complain in your Sermon to the House of Commons . If then you would take my counsel , refer it Brother Cheny . One thing I am mighty sorry to see and say , This wise case is ushered in with a gross leasing , when just before you affirm the case was such , That there was no other than Presbyterian Ordination to be had here in the late times . Truly , if your good will , might be taken for the deed , there was no other to be had . But in the late times my self and hundreds more had Episcopal Ordination . But quoere whether it were valid , you having taken away their Lawn Sleeves and Rochets and Rochets to which might be de essentia to the Ceremony . One thing more I must observe , and then I shall end your Trouble ; and 't is my own great trouble that I must observe it , and rebuke you for it ; you say in your Preface , Ans . to Dr. Stillingfleet , I am past doubt , that Richard Hooker , Bishop Bilson , and BishopVsher , where they now alive , would be Non-conformists . And you said it before , as I remember , elsewhere . Sir , Your being past doubt , puts us past our faith in your assertions ; no body will believe what you say while you talk at this rate , and blemish the precious memory of such venerable Persons , two of them having been the highest Assertors of Conformity since the Reformation , and have left us for it their Monuments in writing incomparable and unanswerable . Pray , Sir , How came you by this Plerophy ? Have their Ghosts appeared unto you , and informed you that they have been convinced in another world that they erred , in thinking there ought to be Church Order and Vniformity in this ? And , Have they told you ( for no body else could ) what sort of Non-conformists they would be ? Those of the first Edition in Forty two , or those of the second , in Sixty two . Would they , when Non-conformity , was rampant , have risen up against the King and Church , and , with you , cryed up the good Cause , and pluckt up the perpetual Government of Christ's Church and the Ecclesiastical Polity root and branch ; and , in order to a thorough Beformation , taken the Solemn , League and Covenant ; and , with you , taken up Arms for the Parliament ? Or , Would they now ( having answered onely , the old Objections when alive ) be so stagger'd with your new ones , that that one alone of the erroneous Kalendar would be a flaming Sword to keep them from entring ? Sir , Hereafter talk things crediible ; such Romances become you not , What would your Censure be , should we affirm , we are past doubt that Mr. Cartwright , Traverse and Brown , were they now alive , would turn Conformists ? One thing , in the Epistle to your Plea I omitted , is fit here to be remarked ; your Complaint ; that you have been called on to tell what it is that you would have ; as if you had told it and we well knew it : But truly , Sir , 't is a very hard Question , which we think you neither have nor can tell . One thing you would have to day , another to morrow ; a little will content you when you are under ; but nothing will content you when you are uppermost . When you writ your Petition for Peace you would have Bishop Usher's model ; and could yield to Bishops and Archbishops . When you writ your Answer to Dr. Stillingfleet , you would have your Grievances proposed to the Higher Powers , and would have the Higher Powers strip the Bishops of their Lawn Sleeves . We know by what measures you proceeded in Forty one : from Petitioning to Protestation ; thence to Covenanting , to Arming , to Sequestring ; till you had levelled all before you , and overturned the Government of both Church and State. I am very unwilling to mention your past Actings , but that you give us great cause to think you would be acting the same things again ; and do in effect tell us , What you would have . But , What you would not have , you can better tell us . No Bishops , no Liturgy , no Canons for decency and order in the publick Worship : no King but upon such terms ; if you be the Casuists who resolved upon the prospect of the King's Restoration ; That in that state of things the King could not justifie the resuming of his Government , nor his people the submitting to it . But your Non-conforming Brethren best know your minde . Let them tell you and us what you would have had , when you had all . You complain of your Misery , Bondage and Slavery ; of Oppressions , Sorrows and Troubles of the Church , that is doubtless , of the Church Presbyterian , and no other . What doth all you ? What troubles you ? who doth oppress you ? have you not Authority on your side ? have you not all the Church livings in the Kingdom ? have you not Declaration upon Declaration , Ordinance upon Ordinance , Order upon Order to back you ? Is there the least shew of Oppression , Sorrow or Cause of complaint administred unto you , except it be because you are not suffered to oppress , vex and gall your Brethren that joyn not with you ? Can you feed upon nothing but Bloud , yea , the Bloud of your Brethren ? that though you have every thing else , ( that onely prohibited , ) you complain of Sorrow , Slavery and Oppression ; that you cannot enslave and lead into Captivity . Is this to kill you with the Sword , that you cannot kill your Brethren with the Sword ? THE NON-CONFORMISTS CHAMPION HIS CHALLENGE ACCEPTED . 1. WHEN God had , in mercy and faithfulness unto David , delivered him from the Sword of Saul , and set him upon the Throne of Israel , the first thing he esteemed himself obliged unto in duty and gratitude , was , to set up God's Kingdom and settle his true Worship in Israel , who had set up and settled him in that Kingdom : To this end he brings the Ark of God in a Religious State and Triumph to Jerusalem , which had been taken by the Philistines , and remained some time with them in Captivity , and after lodged in obscurity in the houses of Aminadab and Obededom . His gracious Majesty , our David , who hath been a parallel to King David both in his Persecution , and Restoration , is as truly his parallel in Piety and holy Zeal for the true Religion ; and hath made it his first Care , as soon as God brought him back to his Kingdom , to bring back the Ark of God to Jerusalem , to restore the holy Doctrin , Worship , and Government of our Church which had with himself been long banished : and , having in the happy Examples of his most Royal and Religious Predecessors observed how exceedingly this Church hath florished under the established Order for many years , how eminently her Faith hath been spread abroad in every place , how all her Sisters of the reformed Church rejoiced to behold her order and stedfastness towards Christ , The Daughters all calling her blessed ; as also , finding by sad experience that in these times of Trouble and Confusion ( of which we may truly wish with Job , That they were blotted out of times , and might not come into the number of years ) the plucking up of the established Order hath been the loss at once of Truth and Peace in the Church , and the cause of all the bitter Dissentions and lamentable Divisions wherewith it hath been wounded and dilacerated , and which never could be cured or closed by any the Balms and healing Medicins applied by Presbyterians , Independents , or any other who pretended to be our Physicians ; this , I say , his Majesty in his Princely and Pious Wisedom observing , hath restored to God's glory and his own great honour that Religion which had before this Rupture obtained and long flourished . 2. But there is nothing can be so well devised , so warily composed , so innocently established as to satisfie all Judgments , and anticipate all Objections . That Manna wherewith God himself fed his people from Heaven , that Angels food was soon loathed and despised . As it was at King James his coming to this Crown , so at his present Majestie 's , there are Dissenters and Complainers , who , with great and loud Importunities , vehement Accusations , and a mighty specious Zeal , cry out against the publick Worship and Order to be restored : His Majesty , imitating in the like case the example of that our English Solomon , was pleased to give Commission for a Conference or Treaty between some select persons of the Episcopal and Presbyterian Judgment , to consider of the Form of publick Worship , the Common Prayers of this Church ; and , if occasion be , to make such reasonable Alterations , Corrections and Amendments therein , as should be jointly agreed upon to be needfull and expedient ; and doubtless for the same reason with that of King James : Not but that any thing in the Common Prayer contained might very well have been born with by men who would have made a reasonable construction of things . But for that in a matter concerning the Service of God we were nice or rather jealous that the publick Form thereof should be free not onely from blame but from suspicion , so as neither the common Adversary should have advantage to wrest ought therein contained to other sense than the Church of England intendeth , nor any troublesome or ignorant person of this Church be able to take the least occasion against it . The Treaty wanting that Issue his Majesty and all good men desired , and no Accommodation thereby effected , it is enquired and diversly censured where the blame lies . 3. The Presbyterians charge the Episcopal Commissioners to be wholly in the fault ; and say , They have petitioned the Bishops , proposed their Alterations , made their Objections against the Liturgy , replied upon the Bishops Answers ; finally , have cleared themselves , and given account to his Majesty of the whole Transaction . But the Bishops have answered nothing to their Petition , have not considered their Alterations , have said little to their Objections , and granted as little by way of Concession : Therefore they profess , the Disappointment hath not been on their part , and that they have quiet in their minds , having discharged their duty , and been Seekers and Followers of Peace . But for all this fair flourish , it will appear to any Judgment that is not forestalled , that 't is on the score of the Presbyterians , and for the fault of their undue managing thereof , that the Treaty hath proved ineffectual ; and this I shall manifest by , first , answering their pretensions , and then considering their Petition . 1. That the Bishops answered not their Petition , it was for good causes ; what they ask was not in the power of the Bishops to grant , the matter was unreasonable , the motives weak and not worthy an Answer , being in number many , but light in weight ( as when they come to be examined will appear ) and however directed to the Bishops , the Petition was intended to gratifie the people of their own party , the design of it being popular , and the aim of it apparent to keep up their Interest . 2. That they answer nothing to their new Form ( which they call their Alterations ) a perfect Abolition of the Churches Form , was not their fault , but their favour . They were obliged to the Bishops for their silence who might justly have convented them instead of answering them ; the very publishing of that Form being a high Attempt against the Laws and a plain Violation of his Majestie 's Directions in his Commission . 3. That they say little to their Objections is , for that many of them had little in them , were trivial and stramineous , and little or nothing have they said in their Objections , but what had been said before by Cartwright and others ; and by Archbishop ▪ Whitgift and Mr. Hooker abundantly answered . 4. That they granted little by way of Concession , they had great Reason , and great Precedents : Great Reason ; for , 1. The Compilers of the Common Prayer Book were holy , able , zealous and orthodox Persons ; and such an Alteration as they desired ( as I said ) in effect an Abolition , had been to question their Piety and Ability , and to cast Dirt in the Faces of those venerable Fathers , Confessors and Martyrs . 2. The Common Prayer Book was revised , approved and confirmed by divers . Acts of Parliament and Proclamations , in several Princes Reigns ; to alter it after their Model , had been also to cast Dirt in the Face of Supream Authority , and to question the Wisedom and Piety of the wisest and most pious Kings and Parliaments . 3. It would have opened a gap to the Papists , who cry out against us for Novelty and Inconstancy . 4. It was his Majestie 's Order , That there should be as little Alteration as might be , for that the people were acquainted with and accustomed to the Form established . 2. They had great Precedents ; for , 1. In Queen Elizabeth's time , it being revised , very few alterations or additions were made : and , 2. In King James his time also , who judged the Form so compleat , that he would have some small things rather explained than changed : nay more , admonisheth all men , That hereafter they shall not expect nor attempt any farther Alteration . 5. For that the Bishops have said little , and the Presbyterians much , it makes nothing for the one nor against the other ; they are not the fullest vessels that make the greatest sound ; 't is not the best cause that is most clamorous ; the Bishops cause was not their own more than the King 's , the Parliaments , and the Churches , having been by Law established and continued ( except in the Popish and Presbyterian Persecutions ) ever since the Reformation . Therefore the Bishops judged it needless to give themselves and the World the trouble of any tedious Defence . But the Presbyterians , pleading against the Laws and established Order , thought it necessary to bestir themselves and to make long Apologies for so high an Attempt : Therefore they have left no Stone unturned , have sent Paper after Paper and posted them through all parts of the Nation , to keep up their Interest in the Party , and their Party's prejudice against the Churches Liturgy . I suppose , it is hereby plain to all indifferent Judges , that the Blame is not on the Bishops , but the Presbyterians , that the Treaty had not its desired success . And to manifest it farther , since they justifie themselves , and wash their hands , and cry , We are innocent : They must be told , 1. That they have not duly prepared for an Accommodation before the Treaty : 2. They have not demeaned themselves candidly and ingeniously in the Treaty . 1. They have not duly prepared for an Accommodation before the Treaty . There is no hope of a fair Agreement between two dissenting Parties , so long as on the one part there remain causes of Jealousie which will not be removed . Now since the Prebyterians do lie under the Scandal of holding divers Tenets in reference to his Majesty , Episcopacy , and the Liturgy , to which if they still adhere , they render themselves uncapable of a Treaty ; it highly concerns them to purge themselves , by a full and free Declaration of their Judgments in those particulars which have an immediate influence upon the Treaty . 1. Since the Presbyterians both from the Pulpit and the Press have taught , That it is lawfull to resist Kings , and have stirred up the People to arm against their lawfull Sovereign upon pretence of Reformation in Religion ; herein joyning with the Jesuits , That Heretical Kings may be resisted and deposed , as many of their Books and Sermons declare . For the undeceiving of the People , and clearing themselves of the guilt of that antichristian and impious Tenet , they were bound in duty and conscience to have publickly disavowed that Doctrine , and to have published to the World , that they hold the Doctrine of our Church , That Kings are Sacred ; above all coercive Power : That they are Supreme ; the Highest Powers : onely punishable by God ; and not , upon any pretence of Liberty , Property , Law , or Religion , be it never so specious , nay , be it never so real , to be resisted or opposed . 2. For that they maintain and publickly teach , the Civil Magistrate not to be Superior to the Ecclesiastical Governors . They were obliged to make a publick acknowledgment of the King's Supremacy in all causes , and over all persons Ecclesiastical ; in short , to have offered to take the Oath of Supremacy . The Denial of which is a second Opinion wherein some of them symbolize with the Papists . 3. For that they have in their Writings so publickly opposed the Episcopal Government , covenanted against it , taken it away ; and in the place thereof set up another Government ; they should expresly have owned the Episcopal Government now restored , and have promised to be obedient unto it . 4. For that they had cast out and laid aside all set forms of publick Prayer , Ordination , and other Administrations , ( their Directory being a very cypher , neither used by themselves , nor imposed upon any other , ) every Minister being left to his own dictates in publick holy Offices , they should previously have declared their Judgments , that a set form of publick Prayer is in every Church necessary , to which all in that Church should be obliged . 5. For that their Party have taken away the Form of Prayer by Law appointed , and forbidden all Ministers under great penalty to use it ; they should have declared , that the substance of it was agreeable to God's Word , onely they judged it needed some Alteration , and that if his Majesty with the Bishops should consent to the Amendment of such things as by their joint Judgments should be thought needfull , they would submit unto it , and be obliged ever to use it in their Ministrations . These things were necessary should have been precedaneous to the Treaty , and would much have conduced to an happy Accommodation : Such an ingenuous Confession and Retractation beseemed them , and would have melted his Majesty and the Bishops ; and all good Christians would have wept with them , and rejoyced for them , and embraced them with the same Affection that Joseph did his repenting Brethren ; and indeed it was a wonderfull condescention in his Majesty to appoint the Bishops , and a high Obedience in the Bishops to his Majesty to treat at all with them without and before such a Confession . Surely till they do retract those not onely erroneous , but some of them prodigious and most dangerous and unchristian Opinions , they in vain go about to persuade the World that ●●ey cannot submit to our Liturgy upon the Principles of Conscience . 'T is not Conscience that swallows Camels , and streins at Gnats : 't is not Conscience that sees Motes , and winks at Beams : 't is not Conscience that neglects the weighty things of the Law , and tithes Mint and Cummin . Certainly they must have abundance of Charity that can believe ( be their words never so smooth ) that these men have no Motive but Conscience to oppose our Church Ceremonies , do out of Conscience scruple at a Surplice , a Gesture , a Set form , a Word obsolete or improper , whose Conscience could swallow Sedition , Rebellion , could make War against their Sovereign King , could overturn all Order both civil and sacred , and fill the Church and State with Bloud and Confusion . One thing more which evidences their Insincerity as to an amicable Treaty , as if they resolved it should take no effect , and feared lest Duty , Piety , Conscience and Reason should work upon their Brethren to submit to the Form of Worship now likely to be restored ; they sent to all of their Judgments in the Nation , to send up wha● Objections they could make against the Common-prayer , and advised them to hold off , and not to conform by any means , for their standing out was the onely way to obtain their own terms and liberty , their numbers being so considerable , that , in case of their deprivation , there were not Conformable Ministers enough to supply their places , and so the King and the Church must be forced to indulge and continue them . Surely this was not consciencious , and discovered their Design , to continue a Division and keep up a Party : Though herein their Politicks failed them ; the Bishops sented the Design , and provided for the Churches against the Vacancy . 2. They have not demeaned themselves candidly and fairly in the Treaty ; which themselves in their two Papers ( the Petition for Peace , and the Grand Debate ) do make appear to all who are impartial and unprejudicate : Their publishing them being directly against his Majestie 's Commission which is , Our Will and Pleasure is , that when you , with the said Archbishops , &c. shall have drawn your Consultations to any Resolution , that you forthwith certifie and present to us in writing under your several hands the matters and things whereupon you shall so determine . 1. His Majestie 's Will and Pleasure is , that what is done by virtue of this Commission , should be done jointly , by the Commissioners on both sides ; but the Presbyterian Commissioners set forth their Papers by themselves , without those of the Episcopal . 2. That they should certifie them in writing to his Majesty : They wave his Majesty , and scatter their Papers abroad in Print among the People . 3. That they should present them under their several hands ; here are no hands , no names , but the general one of Commissioners . 4. That they should certifie when their Consultations were drawn to any Resolution , and present the Matters whereupon they should determine . They , Ahimaaz like , run without their Errand , and presume to certifie ( us the people , not Us the King ) before any Resolusion , without any Determination : Whether this be agreeable to the King's Commission , and conformable to his Order and Appointment ; let the World judge , let themselves judge . Nay , whether it was not to appeal from his Majesty to those of their own Party . But to close with their Papers : and , first , I shall consider the Objections they make against the Common Prayers in general in their Grand Debate . 1. They say , They look upon the Common-prayer-book as an excellent and worthy Work for that time , and after they contradict themselves and recall their Charity , and stifle that Truth which brake from them ; and say , As to our Consciences , if we thought not the Common-prayer-book to be guilty — And again , We take it to be a defective , disorderly , inconvenient mode . What , excellent and worthy , and yet guilty and disorderly , defective , inconvenient , — How are these consistent ? Yes , for that time excellent and worthy : but at this time guilty , defective , — But pray what 's the difference between that time and this ? must we change our Religion with the times ? we have the same Doctrine , the same Sacraments , the same Government ; and why should not we have the same Worship ? must we have a temporizing worship ? must our Devotions as our Garments be changed after the new Fashions or Modes of times ? what Guilt hath our Liturgy contracted by time ? O that the times and men were such now for Zeal and Piety as when the Common Prayers were composed . 2. They make Objections against the whole as well as the parts : and , is this fair , to object against the whole of that , some parts whereof they were onely to amend ? Their Commission was , That , if occasion be , they should make such reasonable and necessary Alterations , Corrections and Amendments therein as shall be agreed upon to be needfull and expedient , — with an express Advice to avoid , as much as may be , all unnecessary Abbreviations of the Forms and Liturgy , wherewith the People are altogether acquainted , and have so long been received in the Church of England : where his Majesty would have onely some parts amended and corrected , if need be , and all unnecessary Abbreviations of the Form avoided , they fly at the whole ; their usual way of Reformation being Root and Branch . For , 3. Instead of the old Book amended they offer us a new Model , not a Syllable of the old in it ; not one of the Churches Prayers is judged worthy to be joined with theirs : These wise Master-builders can with less trouble and charge pull down the House and build a new one , than repair the old ; as if it had not one Room convenient , all must down to the ground , and not so much as one stone in the old Building must be used in the new . 4. They complain of the Length of the Common-prayer-book , and make theirs in the ordinary Offices much longer , but for this they have a Salvo , That it may be left to the discretion of the Minister to omit it as occasion shall require . Behold their Liturgy , with a Liberty , that he who will use it may , and he that will not may choose . 5. They would have it left to the Ministers choice to use their new Form or the old , which is as much as to say , All of their Judgment shall be free from using the Common-prayer ; for you will easily believe they will like this new Directory better ; and then , what need this Treaty ? and yet , give them their due , they have no great fancy to their own Form : for , 6. They will have a farther Liberty . They desire there may be no such Imposition of the Liturgy , as the Exercise of the Gift of Prayer be totally excluded in any part of God's Worship : So then , a Set Prayer there shall be in every part of God's Worship , and in every part the Minister may exercise his Gifts and shew his Parts , and strive to out-go this Set Prayer ; and so the Prayer shall be despised , and his Gifts extolled . Is the Church a place , the Worship of God a season to exercise such Gifts in ? Our Graces indeed should be there exercised , which are best done in a Set-form . Gift of Prayer there is none spiritual . That which is cried up to be such is nothing but an acquired Art or Habit of ready speech , and tends more to Ostentation than Edification . The Spirit of Prayer the Prophet tels us what it is , A Spirit of Grace and Supplication , looking on Christ by Faith and Love , whom by Sin and Unbelief we have pierced ; and by a deep Repentance mourning for our Sins , and beseeching God's Grace to be delivered from them by Christ's most meritorious Sufferings . We may pray without the Spirit when we exercise the Gift of Prayer ; we may pray with the Spirit when we use a Form of Prayer . Sure the Spirit doth not ever withdraw or deny the Assistence of his Grace to our Devotion when we pray the Lord's Prayer . The Spirit of Prayer requires not new words , but new affections . Should I make it my End , or any part of it , when I pray in publick , to exercise my Gifts , I should justly fear to be judged of God , and Men ( if they knew it ) an abominable Hypocrite and Pharisee . 7. They object , The whole Body of the Common Prayer consists very much of many Generals , as , to have our Prayers heard ; to be kept from all Evil , from all Enemies and Adversities ; that we may doe God's Will ; without any mention of the Particulars wherein these Generals do consist . Ans . 1. They make that an Objection which is a Propriety and Excellency . The Common Prayers of the Church should be for common and general Mercies of which the whole Church stands in need . 2. Daniel's Prayer for the Church in the Babylonian Captivity doth consist not very much , but altogether of meer Generals , without any mention of Particulars , and yet it was graciously heard : and , do they not hereby accuse our Lord himself ? is not his Prayer made up of meer Generals ? Sure so many grave Divines should not make their Objections by Number , but by Weight , and due and sober Consideration . How little they considered this will farther appear in that , 3. They confess their Objection to be untrue , when they tell us that the Litany is for Grace , Peace , Rain , Fair-weather , &c. and indeed I may challenge our Brethren to shew any Particulars needfull for the Church to petition at the hands of God in her publick Worship omitted in the Litany . 8. They desire , That all obsolete words may be altered . Ans . That may be soon done ; for few or no obsolete words are in the Liturgy : but doth not God , do not we understand old and plain words ? must we coin new ones to please him and our selves ? must we be rhetorical , quaint and curious ; complement God in our Prayers ? Let us take unto us those words the Church hath from God's Word put into our mouths , and join with them our Hearts , and let us not doubt but God will hear us graciously . 9. It troubles them , That the publick Worship of God may not be administred by any that dares not wear a Surplice . Ans . Who are those tender ones that dare not ? What a frightfull Bugg is a Surplice , that you dare not wear it in the Administration of the publick Worship ? Nay , you dare refuse to administer in God's publick Worship , rather than wear a Surplice . Your Master Beza was not so timerous , or dainty , Mihi videtur Ecclesias minime deserendas propter Pileum , aut Vestes , aut aliquid aliud hujusmodi vere medium aut indifferens : To me it seemeth that we ought not to forsake the Churches for Caps , or Vestments , or any other such like thing of a nature mixt and indifferent . Mr. Moulin was not so tender ; could ( as he professed ) willingly wear a Fool's-coat and Cap , so he might freely and publickly administer God's true and holy Worship . Are not different and decent Vestures by God himself appointed to his Priests in their publick and holy Ministrations ? and , why may not the Governors of the Church command under the Gospel the like decent and distinct Habits to Ministers which God commanded under the Law ? so as no Religion or Sanctity be placed in them , as we declare there is not ; but they are onely enjoined for Comeliness and Gravity , suitable to such Solemnities : Solemn Actions of Royalty and Justice have their suitable ornaments enjoyned , and they are unto them a Beauty , and beget from the People a Veneration ; Are they onely a Stain in Religion ? These general Objections against the Common Prayers in their Grand Debate I thought good to consider , together with their Reasons in their Petition of Peace , that they may see we do not slight nor fear any of their Forces , but dare encounter their whole strength . Their particular Objections against the parts of the Liturgy are long since by Mr. Hooker , and others so convincingly answered ; those which are old : and the new are so weak and inconsiderable that they deserve not a sober Animadversion , and therefore I shall not give the Reader the trouble of a Confutation . To expose a few of them is enough , and he may judge of the rest by their Assize . 1. They desire , the word Minister , which is used in the Absolution and divers other places , may be used throughout , and not Priest and Curate . 2. The Confession ( they tell us ) is very defective , not clearly expressing Original Sin , nor sufficiently enumerating Actual Sins with their Aggravations ; but consisting onely of Generals ; whereas Confession , being the Exercise of Repentance , ought to be more particular : This is already answered . 3. The often repeating the Lord's Prayer , and the Gloria Patri comes within compass of those vain Repetitions our Saviour condemns ; a vain Objection — and may be as well made against David , Psal . 136. and against many other his Psalms , as also against Moses , Solomon , and our Saviour himself . 4. They would have that Petition in the Litany , Good Lord deliver us from sudden Death , to be altered thus , Good Lord deliver us from dying suddenly and unpreparedly . 5. They would have that Prayer , That it may please God to preserve all that travel by Land or by Water , to be changed , and expressed indefinitely , all that travel . 6. They express their dislike of Kneeling at the Reading of the Commandments ; did they never break any of them ? and , is there not a Prayer subsequent to each of them ? Lord have mercy upon us . 7. They are offended at that Expression in the first Prayer before Baptism , That God , by his Son our Saviour's being baptized in the River Jordan , hath sanctified that and all other waters , to the mystical washing away of Sin. To satisfie this nice Scruple , 't is changed , and the word all left out . I shall no further pursue these trifles , professing my great grief and astonishment , that persons pretending to so great Gravity can possibly be guilty of such Lightnesses . 'T was a piece of pride and weakness in Calvin to charge our Liturgy as containing in it Tolerabiles Ineptias . These and such like light and trivial exceptions of our Brethren will to any sober Judgment appear Ineptiae Intolerabiles . Leaving their Grand Debate , which I think , in the Prophets and Apostles sense , may without uncharitableness be affixed not onely as the Title , but is much the Subject and Design too of their Paper . I goe on to the Consideration of their Petition for Peace . Sweet is the name of Peace , and now , if ever , Sweet is the Peace of the State , after so long Civil War , and the Peace of the Church , after so long Division and Persecution . Peace is a Blessing of Blessings , not a single , but a complicated Blessing . 'T is Peace that puts us into , and keeps us in Possession of all we enjoy . Saint Paul tels us of a Bond of Peace . Peace is the Bond of our Liberties , Properties , Estates and Lives , and of that which should be to us dearer than all these , our Religion . 'T is this Religious Peace for which they petition . O that they had hearkned to the Petitions of others before : But then they prepared for War , and sounded the Trumpet to Battel : Then to talk of Peace and Accommodation was the mark of a Malignant : Then Curse ye Meroz was the Text : And , O take heed of Treaties : Well 't is happy if at last Thoughts of Peace may be entertained . But , my Brethren , why petition you for Peace ? is it not Peace ? if not , where is the blame ? who are those which hinder Peace ? Then is it Peace in the Church , when the Magistrate is at Peace with the Church and a Defender of the Faith ; when Ministers are at Peace with themselves and join regularly in their holy Ministrations , when Ministers and their People are at Peace , the one teaching , and the other embracing sound Doctrine ; when Magistrates , Ministers and People do publickly , openly , freely , uniformly profess and hold the true Christian Religion , do join and unite in the publick Worship of God , serving him with one mind and with one mouth , having the same Doctrine , the same Worship , the same Government . Now consider who they are which hinder this Peace . You need not petition the Bishops ; 't is in your own power to grant your own Petition ; and truly a Petition for Peace though it have a pleasing Sound , yet carries a sad Supposition ; it suposes , 1. That you are not in Peace with the Church ; and , 2. it implicitly accuses his Majesty of Persecution . But to come to the matter of your Petition , two things you pray : 1. That the Bishops will grant what you have in your Preface proposed , and craved their Consent unto , the Alterations and Additions to the Liturgy now tendred unto them , that being inserted as you have expressed , It may be left to the Ministers choice to use one or other at his discretion , upon his Majestie 's Approbation , according to his gracious Declaration concerning Ecclesiastical Affairs . Here they desire , That it may be left to the Ministers choice to use one or other , the new or the old Form , and 't is not hard to judge which will be chosen ; the old by all who are Episcopal , the new by all the Presbyterians : So shall we have Altar against Altar ; Common-prayer-book against Common-prayer-book , confusion in all Parishes and Division ; those who are for the old , if the new be read , will leave their Minister , and go where the old is read ; and the like will they doe who are for the new : So shall there be endless Contestations between Ministers and Ministers , People and People ; one pleading for the old Form , and exploding the new ; the other arguing for the new , and despising the old : Is this to petition for Peace ? nothing can be more against Peace . Certainly we shall ever be two , and the Church divided , if we have two Liturgies . And whereas they appeal to his Majestie 's Declaration , his Majesty speaks plainly enough his meaning , and more plainly in his Commission , that he intends not two Liturgies be established , but onely some Alterations in one and the same Liturgy , some additional Forms to be left unto the Ministers choice , to use one or the other at his discretion ; and these Alterations and additional Forms not to be made by the one Part separately , as yours are ; but by those of both Persuasions . You farther Petition , since we cannot obtain the Form of Episcopal Government described by the late Reverend Primate Ireland , and approved by many Episcopal Divines , we may at least enjoy those Benefits of Reformation in Discipline , and that Freedom from Subscription , Oaths and Ceremonies which are granted in the said Declaration by the means of your charitable Mediation and Request . Answ . 1. Why did you not then ( when it was in your Power , and the Staff in your hands ) hearken to Bishop Vsher and those Episcopal Divines ? did you not covenant against Episcopacy ? do you not still judge your selves obliged to keep your Covenant ? did not a prime Leader of your Party , in his Sermon at the Treaty at Vxbridge , call Episcopacy and the Common-prayer-book , The Plague-soars of the Nation ? did not his late Majesty of blessed memory offer as great condescentions as could be desired to your Divines at the Isle of Wight ? and , did they not oppose and disown all Episcopal Government ? Hear his Majesty : I was willing to grant or restore to Presbytery what with reason or discretion it can pretend to in a conjuncture , with Episcopacy , but for that wholly to invade the Power , and by the Sword to arrogate and quite abrogate the authority of that ancient Order , I think neither just as to Episcopacy , nor safe for Presbytery , nor yet any way convenient for this Church and State. Behold what his Majesty was willing to doe in yieldance to Presbytery ; so as Episcopacy might not be abrogated . Behold what the Presbyterians will doe , they will goe no lower than to abrogate Episcopacy , and since they could not doe it by the Word , they will doe it by the Sword. But , 2. Have you now really changed your minds ? are you in good earnest ? do you speak Verbo Sacerdotum when you make us believe you desire to obtain an Episcopacy ? How doth this consist with your Profession in your Grand Debate ? There you utterly disclaim all Episcopacy . These are your words , We doubt whether men in the same Order do , by Divine appointment , owe obedience unto those that gradually goe before them ; and they may scruple whether such making themselves the Governours of their Brethren , make not themselves indeed of a different Order or Office , and so incroach not upon the Authority of Christ , who onely maketh Officers purely Ecclesiastical , and whether it be no disloyalty to Christ , to own such Officers : Again , 't is a matter of very great doubt , whether a fixed Diocesan , being the Pastor of many hundred Churches , be indeed a Governour of Christ 's appointment or approbation ; and whether Christ will give us any more thanks for owning them as such , than the King will gives us for owning an Vsurper . He who can reconcile their Petition for Peace with their Grand Debate , the one pretending for Episcopacy , the other renouncing all Episcopacy , Erit mihi magnus Apollo . But the Instance you might have let alone of owning an Vsurper . Did you not own and set up an Usurping Parliament against the King ? and , will you not disown the most Lawfull King that shall deny your Will and Way ; and own the Greatest Usurper that will set up and yield his Neck to your Presbyterian Government ? But if you cannot gain your own , you would be free from Obedience to any other ; That we may at least enjoy freedom from Subscription , Oaths , and Ceremonies , by the means of your charitable Mediation . A modest and merry Request , That the Bishops will mediate with his Majesty , that the Presbyterians may be free from Obedience to Episcopal Government . Were your Presbyterian Government set up , would you allow the Freedom you ask ? You have preached and printed against Toleration : you would bind Kings with your Chains , and Nobles with Links of Iron ; you would be very shy to give the Indulgencies and Dispensations your selves desire : Nay , you refuse them to your Independent Brethren . Your second Petition is ; Seeing some hundreds of able , holy and faithfull Ministers are of late cast out , and abundance of Congregations in England , Ireland and Wales are overspread with lamentable ignorance , and are destitute of able , faithfull Teachers ; and seeing too many that are insufficient , negligent or scandalous are over the flocks , we take this opportunity earnestly to beseech you , that will contribute your endeavours to the removal of those that are the shame and burthens of the Churches , and to the Restoration of such as may be an honour and blessing unto them , and to that end that it be not imputed unto them as their unpardonable Crime , that they were born in an Age and Countrey which required Ordination by parochial Pastors without Diocesans . Ans . 1. Is not this a Pharisaical strain through all your Papers , To cry up your own Holiness , Faithfulness , Piety and Painfulness , and to reproach the Conformists as Insufficient , Negligent , the Shame and Burthen of the Churches ? Comparisons are odious unto you , but we dare appeal to the World , and to him who can judge of Hypocrisie and Sincerity , that there are Episcopal persons many far more Able , Holy , Painfull and Faithfull Ministers than any of the Presbyterians ; and many of the Presbyterians more Insufficient , Negligent and Scandalous than any of the Episcopal ; and if Accusations of others were a Vindication of our selves , we could write Centuries as well as your White , and name abundance of those you count and call Godly who are the Shame and Burthen of Churches . And , to be plain with you , who trust in your selves , that you are Righteous , and despise others , you are all ( none excepted ) the Shame and Burthen of the Church : If to preach up Rebellion against the King , the Nursing Father of the Church , to cast off the Apostolical Government of the Church , to eject all the true Sons of the Church , to invade and possess your selves by Violence of all the Revenues of the Church be any Shame , or Sin , or Burthen to your tender Consciences ; whether it be so or no , 't is so certainly to all who are truly consciencious ; and God grant your deep Resentment and timely Repentance may by God's mercy wash away the Sin and Shame , and ease the Burthen , which if not now , you will one day feel very heavy and uneasie . 2. How can you tell us of hundreds of yours cast out , and your guilt not fly in your faces ? Did you not foresee we could retort , that thousands of Episcopal men were cast out for their Loyalty and Constancy to the Religion in the Church of England established , for not covenanting , for not contributing to the Schism and Rebellion ; we could name if need were thousands whose Learning , Piety and Painfulness in their places Envy it self cannot accuse . Their onely Crime being their ample Revenues and competent Livings . 3. Seeing some hundreds are of late cast out , your Consciences know you affirm an untruth , that there are none cast out , but such as were unjust Intruders into other mens Charges , those who without and against Law were deprived , are now by Law restored , and if any of them be unworthy , the Law is open , and may they be prosecuted , and , if they deserve it , impartially punished ; we justifie not any that are scandalous . O that all were holy who serve in the holy Ministry ; and here on my knees I beseech the most Reverend Fathers of the Church , That those Ministers who are Conformists , but whose Lives are vicious and scandalous , may notwithstanding their Conformity fall under the severest Censures : Episcopacie hath no such great Enemies as these pretended Friends . 4. But why all this Complaint of your being cast out by the Bishops ? as if they had cast you out , when you know and the whole Nation knows , that they were cast out by Act of Parliament ( the Bishops not sitting in that Parliament ) or rather removed from the unjust possession of other mens Churches , and the lawfull Incumbents restored . So that you smite his Majesty and the Parliament through the Bishops sides . You go on ; Being conscious that we seek not great things for our selves or for our Brethren ; that we are ambitious of no greater wealth and honour than our daily bread . 1. Do not those seek great things for themselves , in respect of Honour who would be co-ordinate with Kings , and who would not be subordinate to Bishops , disowning their Authority , their Ordination and Government , and challenging to themselves an equal right to both ? And for Wealth , you cannot but be conscious that you have sought great things ; the greatest Livings ( though with the Ruin of the Lawfull Owners ) the most wealthy places in Cities , Universities , and the Country . Many of you had a rich Benefice , and a fat Lecture , or a Government in some College : So that whatever you profess you lie as deeply under the Scandal of Ambition and Covetousness as you would bring those who are Episcopal . These are their Requests ; 1. That they may have a Government and a Liturgie of their own , different from that established ; and if not , that they may be free from that in the Church established . 2. That all Presbyterians may be placed in the choicest Livings , as holy , able and faithfull ; and that Episcopal men , as they have been by them cast out , may be kept out of their own Livings as scandalous , negligent and insufficient . How can these Requests be denyed , in number so few , in nature so modest , religious and rational ? for with twenty Reasons are these two Requests enforced ; yet , when well considered , will shrink up into almost as few as their Requests , and will prove as ponderous . R. 1. They tell us , they dare not use a Cross or Surplice , or worship God in a Form which they judge disorderly , defective or corrupt , when they have better to offer him , Malachi , 1.13 . To that Scruple of the Surplice I have already answered ; and to that of the Cross the Church hath answered , Canon , 30. and those whom the Church cannot satisfie , 't is in vain for any private person to attempt it ; and , whereas they say their Form of Worship is better than ours , we must give every one leave to have a love for the Creature of their own production , and the Text they alledge Malachi , 1.13 . as the Reason why they judge our Form defective , and their own better , speaks alowd the fondness of their Affection , blinding their Judgment . Nothing could have been said more for our Form or against their own ( supposing the words any way applicable to either . ) Are not you they that say the Table of the Lord is polluted , his Meat is contemptible ? Do not you say , What a weariness is it ? And ye have snuffed at it , and ye have brought ( instead of it your new Form ) that which is torn , and lame , and sick ; thus ye have brought an Offering . The 2 d , 3 d , 4 th and 5 th Reasons , we had all before in their Request and are now repeated as the Reasons of it , their Holiness , their Ableness , their being cast out , their great Sufferings , their tender Consciences . But though I have spoken to them before , I shall pass on them some Remarks , lest they should judge we could not answer them . 2. There are few Nations under the Heavens of God , as far as we can learn , that have more able , holy , faithfull , laborious and truly peaceable Preachers of the Gospel , proportionably then those that are now cast out in England ; and are like in England , Scotland , and Ireland , to be cast out , if the old Conformity be urged . And , 3. Whether it be equal to bring upon so many of them so great Calamities . Again , 4. We would here remember you how great and considerable a part of the three Nations there is that must incur those Sufferings . And again , 5. We may plead the Nature of their Cause , to move you to commiserate your afflicted Brethren in their Sufferings . Ans . The Bishops and Episcopal and Loyal Clergy have learned by their own Sufferings to compassionate the Sufferings of others . But this Complaint of the Presbyterians Sufferings is like that of Children who bite and cry , some can endure much and complain little , some will cry out for little or nothing ; and they say they are most impatient in the least Sickness who have lived long in health , not knowing what Sickness meant . Let me be bold to ask , Who of you are the men that have suffered ? what have you suffered ? how long ? and , under whom ? who have been your Persecutors ? 1. Who are the men ? Are all the Presbyterians ejected and sequestred ? All the Bishops and Loyal Clergy were generally cast out ; unless Poverty were their protection . 2. What have they suffered ? Have they been deprived of their Livings wherewith the Law invested them ? Have they been silenced , plundered of their Goods , Books , Papers , shut up in Prisons , banished , martyred ? You know who suffered thus . 3. How long ? The Conformists have suffered in Silence and Patience near twenty years together , and your pretended sufferings a few months ( being in a capacity to be restored when ever you will return to your duty ) make more noise than all the Sufferings of all the Episcopal persons all these years . 4. From whom ? Have you suffered from your Brethren , from your fellow Subjects without and against Law ? There are , you know , who have thus suffered : But you cannot say you have suffered any thing but what the Law inflicts , and surely that is no note of Innocency and Sincerity , as you insinuate . If your Sincerity be no more than your Sufferings , you have as little cause to boast of that as to complain of the other , Non cruciatus , sed Causa — Let it not displease you , if I lay before you and the World a true and just account of your Sufferings and Calamities : 'T is shortly this ; You and your Party had by Arms and Violence , against all Law , Conscience , Justice and Charity , seised and possessed your selves of the Estates of your King , divers of the Nobility and Gentry , the Bishops , Deans and Chapters , the Dignities and Livings of the Loyal Clergy , all the honourable and wealthy Offices ecclesiastical and civil by Sea and Land ; these you held and enjoyed until God turned our Captivity , and the King and the Church was happily restored , and then their Estates and Rights were restored , and you enforced to quit them without the demand of Arrears or Restitution for the time you enjoyed them , which was so long and the Revenues so large , that abundance of you , being good Husbands and great Improvers , have provided well against a Storm and got out of your Sequestrations and Purchases plentifull Estates ; so that of the Calamity of our suffering Brethren , and the Cruelty of the restored King , Church and Laws , this is the most deplored and lamentable account ; The King , the Church and the Suffering Loyal Party will needs have their Rights again ; and so the Godly Party who invaded them must no longer injoy them ; The Prey is plucked out of their Teeth , and they must vomit up the sweet morsell . You must pardon me if , against my Genius , your loud and redoubled Outcries of your mighty Sufferings enforce me to be plain with you , and tell you your own . In their Fifth , after their Preface mentioning their Sufferings , and in their Sixth , they argue from the meanness of the things imposed in the Judgment of the Bishops , and the ponderousness in their own . It is in your own account , But for refusing Conformity to things indifferent , or at the most of no necessity to Salvation : It is in their account , for the sake of Christ . Do you think the Lord that died for Souls , and hath sent us to learn what that meaneth , I will have mercy , and not sacrifice , is better pleased with Re-ordination , Subscription and Ceremonies , than with the Saving of Souls by the means of his own appointment ? Ans . 1. Do you think that the Lord who died for Souls , and hath sent us to learn what that meaneth , I will have mercy , and not Sacrifice , is better pleased with your Refusal to save Souls by the Means of his own appointment , upon the Scruple of Ordination by Bishops , Ceremonies and Indifferent things , than he would be if , submitting to them , you would preach the Gospel and save Souls ? Will this be a good Answer to the Lord at the great Day of Accounts ? Lord , I would have preached the Gospel , I would have endeavoured the Salvation of Souls ; But I durst not wear a Surplice , I durst not use that declared Indifferent Ceremony of the Cross , I durst not kneel before thee at thy holy Table , I durst not be obedient to my Lawfull Superiours who required these things , and though I know that necessity is laid upon me , yea , wo is unto me , if I preach not the Gospel ; yet I thought my self obliged rather to dispense with that necessity thou hast laid upon me than submit to those indifferent things they would lay upon me against my Christian Liberty , and to let thousands of Souls perish , than hazard my own by Subscription and Ceremonies . But , 2. The Offence of Refusing Conformity in things indifferent , is not to be measured according to the things unto which we are to conform , which the Church hath declared her Judgment in that they are not to be valued for their own sakes . But 't is Pride , Contempt , and Disobedience to Lawfull Authority to oppose its Orders , and these are not so slight faults as you imagin ; it was but a light fault that Shimei made , in going out of the City , but he lost his Head for it ; it was but a light fault that Vzza made in touching the Ark , but he lost his Life for it . But , say you , Though the Bishops call the things they enjoin Indifferent , yet our Sentiments are otherwise . 'T is in our account for the sake of Christ , because we dare not consent to that which we judge an Usurpation of his Kingly power , and an Accusation of his Laws , as insufficient . Answ . 'T is worth our Observation , that of Dr. Sanderson , that all their Arguments against our Ceremonies are drawn from the Head of Christian Liberty , and then with the same Breath they deny them to be things indifferent , and often do they use this Topick in this Address . 2. He and others have proved the things to be indifferent ( as the Church declares them ) which they can never disprove . 3. 'T is for the sake of Christ that you disobey the Command and Example of Christ ; that you disobey the Magistrates of Christ , and the Government of Christ , and the Orders of his Church . 4. You judge the Bishops Injunction of things indifferent an Usurpation of Christ's Kingly power , and Accusation of his Laws as insufficient . But your Apostle , Mr. Calvin , judges otherwise , as do the Bishops , That Christ hath given Laws for all things necessary in the Divine Worship . But as to things pertaining to outward Order and Comeliness he hath taught nothing expresly . Those he hath left to the Churches prudence . Hath Christ given such Laws ? Open our eyes , shew us , and let us see them : ( Hath he not ) then , not the Governours of the Church , but you , who judge he ought , do accuse Christ's Laws as insufficient . In their fifth Reason they say , Suppose they be mistaken , in thinking the things to be so displeasing to God : yet it is commendable in them to be fearfull in displeasing him , and carefull to obey him . Ans . We see , be they right or wrong , whatever they opine and act is commendable . Suppose they mistook in preaching us into Rebellion , in pulling down Bishops , in taking away the Liturgy , in overturning the Foundations of Church and State , yet their Zeal is commendable . May not all Zealots plead thus ? Suppose the Papists were mistaken in their Fiery Zeal to blow up the King and Parliament , and in the Irish Massacre , yet their Zeal was commendable , in designing to destroy those they judged the Enemies of their Church . Suppose they be mistaken in worshipping the Saints , and their Images and Reliques , yet , since they think they please God , 't is commendable . Suppose the Quakers mistaken in denying Magistrates and Ministers , and all Authority in Church and State , yet , in that they think they should displease God in owning those Powers , 't is in them commendable to disown them . Is this the Counsel you would give to one who doubts and seeks your Resolution ? Will this satisfie and deliver him from doubting , to tell him , Suppose you were mistaken ; yet , if you think you are in the right , pursue your opion , 't is commendable ? Saint Paul is a better Casuist , and gives other Counsel , Prove all things , hold fast that which is good , abstain from all appearance of evil . 7. That , because men are forbidden to preach unless they conform , they are tempted to infer , that Preaching being necessary to Salvation , and those things called Indifferent , being made necessary to Preaching , and preferred before it ; therefore they are made necessary to Salvation , and preferred before that which God hath made necessary . Ans . The Accusation is most untrue ; those Indifferent things are not made necessary to Preaching , much less preferred before it ; and those who are tempted thus to infer , because men are forbidden to preach , unless they dare subscribe and use those things , therefore those things ( called Indifferent ) are made necessary to Preaching , and preferred before it , are very weak Logicians . Every thing that is required , is not required as necessary , as you have been often told . Many things are required as expedient , as decent , as comely , as orderly ; so are our Ceremonies . Ministers are forbidden to reade Prayers without the Surplice , to preach without a Gown : The Judges are forbidden to sit in Judgment , till they reade their Commission ; and are required to sit in their Scarlet ; will any hence be tempted to infer , that the Surplice and Gown are made necessary to and preferred before Prayer and Preaching ; and reading a Commission , and wearing Scarlet Robes are made necessary to and preferred before doing Justice ? 2. Every thing that is made necessary to any End or Action , is not thereby preferred before it . Methinks so many Learned Divines should know , that though these Indifferent things should be made necessary by the Command of the Church to Preaching , yet , it no way follows , they are preffered before it . The Means sure is made necessary to the obtaining the End , yet is not preffered before it . 'T is , you will confess , justly forbidden , that Ordination should be given to any without Examination and Imposition of hands , or that any should preached without Ordination ; yet , I think , you are not tempted to infer , that Examination , Imposition of hands and Ordination it self , though necessary , are to be preffered before Preaching . Follows their 8. R. which implies , we lay our Religion upon our particular Liturgy , and so teach the Papists to insult , Where was our Religion 200 years ago ? the Common-prayer-book , as differing from the Mass-book , being not so old . 1. We thank you for your ingenuous Acknowledgment , that our Common-prayer-book differs from the Mass-book . A Mass-priest , ( now yours ) turning from Popery to Presbyterianism , most impudently affirms them to be the same . 2. Religion is made up of Doctrine , Worship and Government ; our Liturgy is our Form of Publick Worship , and so a part of our Religion ; and , being agreeable to God's Word , nor Papists , nor your selves , can justly except against it . For their Question , Where was our Religion 200 years ago ? You might know , they make it not so much upon the change of our Liturgy ( themselves in Queen Elizabeth's time for many years joining in it ) as upon pretence we have changed our Doctrine ; and the Question as it hath been oft , & ad ravim usque , by them asked , it hath been by us as oft and satisfactorily answered ; and if we should ( as we do not ) lay our Religion upon our Liturgy , 't is most agreeable to the Scriptures , where our Religion is , and contains all the Fundamentals of Religion ; and your Mr. Calvin doth witness it for us , That the Common-prayer-book doth excellently contain the chief heads of our Religion . The 9. is , A Request for Liberty upon on an Insinuation , That no Liturgical Forms were imposed on any Church in the primitive times . Ans . 1. Then sure , the now named , your much Reverend Mr. Calvin was either ignorant of the Constitutions of the primitive times , or had other Sentiments of them then you , who declares his Judgment contrary to you , Quoad formulam Precum & Rituum Ecclesiasticorum , valde probo ut certa illa exstet , à qua Pastoribus discedere in functione sua non liceat . As to the Form of Prayers and Ecclesiastical Rights , I greatly approve that it be settled , from which it may not be lawfull for the Pastors in their Function to vary or depart . 2. You have surely heard of the Liturgies of S. Peter , S. James , and S. Mark , and that of S. Mark , S. Cyril owns and comments upon in his Catechism , and S. Cyril was a Bishop in the primitive times , living about the year of Christ 350. and S. Basil , a famous and primitive Bishop too , was deeply censured and put to make painfull Apologies for a little Change he made in the usual Church-liturgy : It was thought in him ( saith our Authour ) an unpardonable Offence to alter any thing , in us , as intolerable , that we suffer any thing unaltered in the Liturgy . R. 10. And if you should reject ( which God forbid ) the moderate Proposals which now and formerly we have made , we humbly crave leave to offer it to your consideration , what Judgment all the Protestant Churches are likely to pass on your Proceedings , and how your Cause and ours will stand represented to them and to all succeeding ages . Answ . Their moderate Proposals we have heard , which they now make , that they may be free from the established Government and Liturgy of the Church , and they , as Able and Godly , continued in the choicest Livings they had invaded ; and the Episcopal kept out , as Scandalous , Negligent and Insufficient . What moderate Proposals they made formerly I am to learn , they know his late Majesty made to them moderate Proposals , but was refused ; and , they confess , the Lord Primate of Ireland made moderate Proposals , but by them never accepted . As to their bold Appeal to all Protestant Churches , presuming they will give their Judgments for them , and against the Church of England's established Constitutions ; which they have the huge Confidence to prophesie even of the Judgment of all succeeding ages . They might , without a Revelation , by their Jugdment past and present have foreseen their Judgment for the future . The past age hath cryed Grace , Grace to our happy , orderly and moderate Reformation in Doctrine , Government and Worship ; the Protestant Churches have given us the Right-hand of Fellowship , have maintained sweet Communion with us , have in Marian Persecution , received our Exiles ; their most eminent Lights have sent us high Congratulations ; their ablest Ministers have , divers of them , come over , and with Joy beheld our Order ; and some have lived and died amongst us . What Judgment did Mr. Beza give ? Let himself speak , Quod si nunc , — If now the Reformed Churches of England , being underprop'd with the Authority of Bishops and Archbishops , do continue as this hath hapened to that Church in our memory , That she hath had Men of that Calling , not onely most notable Martyrs , but also excellent Pastors and Doctors ; let them truly enjoy that singular Blessing of God , which I wish may be perpetual unto her . What Judgment did Peter Martyr pass in the Case of Bishop Hooper , about the Ceremonies ? Did he not answer his Arguments ? vindicate the lawfulness of them ? exhort him to submit unto them ? The Judgment of Doctor Moulin you have heard , and much more might be told you of the high Honour he had for the Church of England . And , to come nearer , what Judgment the Protestant Churches passed upon your Covenant , your Reforming the Church by the Sword , and in the Bloud of the Nursing Father and the Prime Pastour of it , with many Thousands more , you have surely heard . Were they not ashamed , confounded and astonished at our Schisms and Seditions , and Violations of all Authority Sacred and Civil ? And , Have not your Actions in the late lamentable times cast a Blemish upon the Honour of our Nation never to be washed off ? An English-man daring scarce to look another man in the face in a foreign Countrey , being under the Objection and Reproach of Rebellion , Murthering their King , Changing the best tempered Monarchy in the World into a puny Common-wealth , and that swallowed up soon into a Barbarous Protectourship ; and Abasing the most primitive and venerable Episcopacy into a novel and contemptible Parity and Linsy-woolsey Presbytery , made up of Preachers and Lay-elders , and that too straight undermined and baffled by a Mushrome Independency : Pudet haec Opprobria vobis & dici potuisse , & non potuisse refelli . This is the past Judgment of the Protestant Churches abroad concerning our Church established , and you who ruined it , till God in mercy restored it . For the Churches of succeeding ages ; I think they will hardly believe the History of ours . That such men as you , professing highest Godliness , should , in a pretended zeal for it , preach up Sedition and Schism , and embroil the Church and Nation wherein you were born and baptized in Bloud and Confusion : and , which seems more incredible , Appeal to all Protestant Churches in your own Justification : nay , Supplicate the King ( whose Royal Father was martyred , and himself long banished for standing up in defence of the Church which you opposed and by Force destroyed ) to screen you from the Churche's Power , to grant you the chief Benefices in the Church , and give you Liberty to be of another Church , to enjoy a Worship and Government of your own Mode and Model . But , my Brethren , how come you to make this lowd Challenge ? Why enquire you , or rather , Why presume you , what Judgment the Protestant Churches will make of our Churches proceedings ? Sure your mighty Zeal and ardent Affection to your Cause hath clouded your own Judgment , and quite bereaved you of your Memory . You mention often , and with seeming regard , his Majestie 's gracious Declaration touching Ecclesiastical Affairs : he therein tells you the present Judgment of the Reformed Churches abroad , and , had you Faith to believe his Royal word , you might have spared this Argument and Out-cry , which you may blush for , and wish you had suppressed . Hear his Majesty speaking their Judgment . We do think Our self the more competent to propose , and , with God's Assistence , to determine many things now in Difference , from the time We have spent , and the experience We have had in most of the Reformed Churches abroad , in France , the Low-countries , and Germany ; where We have had frequent Conference with the most Learned men , who have unanimously lamented the great Reproach the Protestant Religion undergoes from the Distempers and too notorious Schisms in Matters of Religion in England : And as the most Learned among them have alwaies , with great Submission and Reverence , acknowledged and magnified the established Government of the Church of England , and the great Countenance and Shelter the Protestant Religion received from it before these unhappy times : So many of the have , with great Ingenuity and Sorrow , confessed , that they were too easily mis-led , by mis-information and prejudice , into some disesteem of it , as if it had too much complyed with the Church of Rome ; whereas they now acknowledg it to be the best Fence God hath yet raised against Popery in the World ; and We are persuaded they do with great Zeal wish it restored to its old Dignity and Veneration . You see what Judgment the Protestant Churches have passed upon the Church of England , and her former Proceedings , and thereby may take an Estimate , what Judgment they will pass on her present Proceedings , and how the Churche's Cause and yours will be represented to them : They will acknowledg and magnifie , with great Submission and Reverence , the established Government of the Church of England , if you dare believe his Majesty , and consequently will censure you as Schismatical and Disobedient , to refuse to submit unto it . But I must not misrepresent you your Submission you profess . If after our Submission to his Majesty's Declaration , and after our own Proposals of the primitive Episcopacy , and of such a Liturgy as we here tender , we may not be permitted to exercise our Ministry , the Pens of those moderate Bishops will bear witness against you , that were once employed as the Chief Defenders of that Cause , ( we mean such as Reverend Bishop Hall and Usher ) who have published to the World , that much less than this might have served to our fraternal Vnity and Peace . Ans . You before appealed to the Protestant Churches abroad , now unto two Bishops of our own , and with like Success . 1. You say you have submitted to his Majestie 's Declaration , you should have instanced wherein . His Majesty there declares , That , having seen all the Liturgies that are extant and used in this part of the World , he esteems that of the Church of England to be the best , and well knows the Reverence the most , or at least the most Learned in the Reformed Churches , have for it ; he heartily wishes and desires , until it be reviewed , and some Alterations and Additional Forms made , the Ministers , who dislike some Clauses and Expressions , would not therefore totally lay aside the use of the Book of Common-prayer , but reade those parts against which there can be no exception , which would be the best instance of declyning those marks of distinction which his Majesty so much labours and desires to remove . Have you herein submitted to his Majestie 's Declaration ? Have you read any thing of the Common Prayers , and thereby instanced your desire in compliance with his Majestie 's , to remove and decline those marks of distinction ? What you can lay hold of to your purpose in his Declaration , you greedily catch at , the rest you pass by . However you pretend to submit to his Majestie 's Declaration , he therein complains , your Party ( of which you are the Leaders ) have not dealt candidly with him , that there are amongst them unquiet and restless Spirits who continue their Bitterness against the Church , and indeavour to raise Jealousies against his Majesty , and have unseasonably printed , published and dispersed a Declaration to his Majestie 's Reproach ; and since the printing this Declaration ( you say you submit to ) several seditious Pamphlets and Quaeries have been published and scattered abroad , to infuse Dislike and Jealousies into the Hearts of the People . Behold your Submission to his Majestie 's Declaration . You next tell us of your own Proposals of the Primitive Episcopacy , and your own Liturgy . What your Primitive Episcopacy is , your Jus Divinum Ministrii Anglicani speaks , That there is no Bishop in the sense of our Church , no Episcopus Pastorum , but all Presbyters are equally , and in a parity , Episcopi Gregis : and what your own Liturgy is , you have let us see such a one as you would have for your selves , in opposition to that of the Church ; and yet , though you would have it , you will not be bound to use it neither ; which is as much as to say , If you may not have your own fancied frame of Government and publick Worship , and that with Liberty too , to throw them off when your fancie changeth , you receive mighty wrong , and , as you said before , all the Protestant Churches , so you say now , all the World will think it strange . Bishop Vsher you mentioned before , you now bring him in again after Bishop Hall , and give them the Titles of Reverend , Learned and Moderate . 'T is well Bishop Hall ( now he is at rest ) hath from you so kind a Character : Time was when your combined Forces were bent singly against him ; you fought neither with small nor great , but onely with Bishop Hall ; and when Smectymnuus was not able to dispute him down , your Rabshakeh railed him down ; and however you now complement him , you have shewn your present Esteem of him and of the Primitive Episcopacy , in reprinting your Smectymnuus now , since his Majestie 's Restoration ; and if , as you say , he and Bishop Vsher have published to the World , that much less than that would have served to a fraternal Peace ; you publish to the World , you have been obstinate and averse to Peace and Unity ; who , when you had the Law in your hands , would not hearken to those , by you confessed , Moderate Terms of Unity and Peace , and your own Pens will bear witness against you , that you are now justly repulsed , who would not yield when fair means of Accommodation were offered as to Re-ordination , which you often mention , and here it comes in again . 1. We deny your Presbyterian and Independent ( so called ) Ordination to be really and indeed any Ordination at all ; and till you prove it such , you charge the Bishops falsely wih requiring Re-ordination . 2. Many who have been under your hands have of themselves ( without being required ) judging your pretended Ordination a Nullity , desired Ordination from the Bishops . 3. The Canon ( supposed ) of the Apostles toucheth not this Case , nor our Bishops , who neither do re-ordain nor allow it . Re-ordaining , rightly so called , being the Ordaining again of a Deacon or Priest by a Bishop , who was by him known to have been by a Bishop before ordained . 4. Bishop Bancrost speaks of those who were ordained by Presbyters , where were no Bishops to ordain them , as in many of the Reformed Churches abroad . But we had Bishops till you pull'd them down : Nay , blessed be God , we had Bishops after you had pull'd them down , and till his Majesty set them up again , and those who would , in all the late times , might have had , and very many had Ordination from their hands : 't is therefore a most gross Untruth , and 't is strange , such Godly men as you should dare to utter and publish it , That your young Preachers , by the old Presbyters sent , were born in an Age and Countrey which required Ordination by Parochial Pastors without Diocesans : if there had been no Bishops , you might then have said , the Age and Countrey required ( lest the Church should fail ) Ordination from Parochial Pastors ; but I say , and you to your Sorrow know , there were Bishops all that time , divers English and also Scotish and Irish Bishops , who , though many of them were latent , yet were and might be addressed to , and did all along confer holy Orders : there are at least five English Bishops living to my knowledge , and you may know more , having the Honour to be joyned with them in Commission , which all good men are sorry is not on your part managed temperately and humbly , prudently and piously , to the Peace of the Church , by your selves chiefly ( but for all our sins ) long and lamentably divided . R. 11. Is a repeated Complaint of their Afflictions , and an Accusation of the Bishops as their Afflictors , which is already answered . The Twelfth and Fourteenth are the same , and shall be considered together . The 13 th is hammered on the same Anvil with the 11 th ; That they are the Godly party , and afflicted ; the Episcopal are cruel , and persecute them for the Cause of Christ : How will Christ : take it of you to cast out from the Ministery , or Communion of the Church , or to grieve and punish all that dare not conform to you in these Matters ? Ans . How will Christ take it from you to cast out all Bishops and Episcopal men who durst not conform to you in your Matters ? The Bishops Proceedings are by gentle methods : 1. They Admonish ; 2. Suspend ; 3. Silence ; before they deprive any ; and none are deprived , but for foul and incorrigible Crimes : but you eject at first , and totally , for no Crime , for no Breach of the Laws and Orders , but even for that the Episcopal persons stand for the Laws and Orders established . You trod down the Stars of Christ's planting as the Stones in the street : All those places of Scripture misapplied by you , may against you be rightly applied . And whereas elsewhere they say to this purpose , Sad Experience tels the World , that if the Ministers we are pleading for be laid aside , there are not competent men enough to supply their room . Ans . Their Care , that there be a supply of competent men to serve the Church , is commendable and pious : But why did they not take that Care when it was in their power , when themselves laid aside and cast out Thousands , to provide competent men to supply their rooms ? Indeed for competent and great Livings they provided ; but the places that were poor , if empty they filled them not , if full by persons never so incompetent they amended it not . I believe it is a measured Truth , never were so many places unprovided , never so many meanly provided , as in those times since the first times of Queen Elizabeth , when competent Ministers ( as now required to be qualified ) could not be had for many places ; one indeed I have heard of , having in Zeal helped to eject his Minister out of a small Living , desired the Clerk of the Committee for plundered Ministers , to commend a Minister unto them ; he answered , O , none of us will accept of that , you must provided as you can . The 14 th Reason , the same as I told you , and you may find with the 12 th , tels us the Constitutions of the Church are against their Judgment ; and they have not their Judgments at Command ; and were they never so willing to believe they ought to obey them , they cannot therefore believe the Impositions lawfull because they would , the Intellect being not free . Ans . What is every body's Argument is no Argument . Thus may the Jew , the Turk , the Papists , the Quakers plead for their own , and against the true Religion ; and thus your Independent Brethren have argued in their Pleas for Toleration , which once you opposed ; but now you sharpen your Goads at their Forges : You bring an Objection , as made by us , that we may say , 't is your own fault , that your Judgments are not changed , and that the means have been sufficient , to which you shape an Answer , such as it is , but which may make your selves blush . That the Sword can easilier take this for granted , than the Tongue or Pen of man prove . My Brethren , Quorsum haec ? You might well have spared the mention of the Sword ; Why do you expose your own Miscarriages to the review of the World ? Who were those that drew the Sword for Reformation ? Who called to Arm ? Who promised Heaven to all that would take up the Sword in that blessed Cause of the Covenant ? when you were then told of the Word and of the Laws , you could answer with that Roman , Nunquamne nobis Gladiis succinctis Leges recitare desinetis ? Tell you us , who have our Swords by our sides , of the Laws ? We tell you , we have drawn our Swords to cut in sunder those Gordian Knots , your Parchment Laws . So of late your Heroick Oliver to those who pleaded the Laws and ancient Charters granted and confirmed by our Kings , Magna Charta , Magna Far — But , I pray you , what Sword do the Bishops , whom you plead with , use , but the Spiritual ? They are no Popes , who challenge Potestatem utriusque Gladii ; They are no Presbyterians , who are Co-ordinate Powers with Kings and Princes ; and for their Tongues and Pens , you must strike Sail , till you shall be able to encounter and conquer those Worthies , Bishop Whitgift , Bishop Bilson , Dr. Sanderson , Mr. Hooker , Mr. Mason , and many more such Generals in the Lord's Host , with whom your Hildersham , Baines , Parker , Ames , Dod , Ball , Nichols , are not to be named the same day . 15. We crave leave to ask , Whether your selves do not in some things mistake ? Good Leave have you , and you ask a wise Question , with a Consequence as wild : in your Covenant you yoake Popery with Prelacy , and now you wittily and merrily ask the Prelates , Whether they think themselves , as the Pope , Infallible ; and yet your Party proclaim themselves next to Infallible . I need not remember you where they say , Loath we are to think that they who are most sound in Doctrine should mistake in Discipline : Well , but the Prelates will confess , they may mistake , are not infallible ; What 's the Consequence ? If you may mistake in any thing , may it not be in such great things as these ? and in the same breath you say , These great things are the smallest , Ceremonies and Circumstances of Worship . I conceive you speak this Ironically , otherwise your Inference is in you a foul mistake : understanding men may mistake in great things ; ergo they may mistake in small things . However , on this Supposition you destroy all Power in men to make Laws in great or small things , because Governours are men , and may err and mistake in some things ; ergo they may make Laws in nothing . 16. Whether this be doing as you would be done by ? would you be cast out for every fault that is as bad as this ? Put your selves in their case , and suppose you had studied , conferred and prayed , and done your best to know whether God would have you to be re-ordained , and to use these Forms , Ceremonies , Subscriptions , or not ; and , having done all , you think that God would be displeased if you should use them ; would you then be used your selves as your dissenting Brethren are now used or like to be ? Ans . This is their strongest and fairest Argument , drawn from the general Rule of Equity and Charity , and 't is easie to retort it , being much more strong on the Bishops part . Put your selves in the Bishops case , and suppose you had studied , conferred , prayed , and done your best to know whether God would have you to preach Resistence against your Sovereign , renounce Episcopacy , cast out the Church Liturgy ; and , having done all , you think ( nay , are sure , for thinking will not doe ) that God would be displeased if you should doe so ; would you be used your selves as your party used the Bishops ? imprisoned , beheaded , sequestred . 17. Reason is drawn from the Divisions caused by imposing things unnecessary , and the Unity and Peace which would follow , if men might enjoy their Liberty , and might have leave to serve God as his Apostles did ; and upon these they enlarge in four whole Pages : Nothing more affecteth us than to think of the lamentable Divisions that have been caused and are still like to be , while things unnecessary are so imposed ; and on the contrary , how blessed an Vnity and Peace we might enjoy , if these occasions of Division were removed , and we might but have leave to serve God as the Apostles did . Ans . If it affect you so much to think upon the Divisions , it should affect you to think that you have been and are the chief cause of them , and you might , if your Will stood not in your way , remove them ; but you mightily mistake both the Cause and Cure of our Divisions , which are the direct contrary to what you surmise . The Cause of our Divisions is the Liberty you desire ; the Cure would be your Obedience to the Churche's lawfull Impositions , and this not onely Reason but your own Experience might have taught you . You cast off the Reins of Church Government , you set your selves at Liberty . Did this Cure your Divisions and create among you Peace and Unity ? No , after you had divided from the Church , and cast off its Rule and Orders ; you subdivided among your selves , and broke all into pieces and parties ; never did any Age see such lamentable Divisions in this Church and Nation . But you accuse the Bishops , as if they will not give you leave to serve God as his Apostles did : God forgive you this as false as foul an Accusation . Do not the Bishops maintain , and the Church stedfastly continue in the Apostles Doctrine ? Do they not against the Romanists , who would obtrude upon us their Traditions in conjunction with the Scriptures , assert the Scripture alone to be a most perfect Rule of Faith and Manners ? Do they not serve God as the Apostles have taught ? and so many you in Communion with our Church . Truly if your meaning be , that they give you not leave to serve God as Apostles , and no less or lower will serve you , than to be as they , to give Laws to all the Churches , and to be under the Laws of none ; you must prove your selves to be such before you crave that leave : But though you are not Apostles , yet you are Prophets , you foresee and foretell the Sufferings of your Innocent Party — Strange ! What a Noise they make in almost every Paragraph , lamenting and repeating their Sufferings ? We are , against our wills , enforced as often to let them know , and I wish they would rightly resent , and lay it to heart , that the Bishops and Conformable Clergy have been really Sufferers for many years , and in the Loss of all they had , and they the Causes of their Sufferings , and for all those years enjoyed all Ease and Plenty , and at this time of their present loud Complaint they have yet suffered nothing , and are certain they shall not doe , if they will return to their Duty , all their former Miscarriages , being by his Majestie 's Mercy buried in oblivion ; and if they will doe so , they may be received into Favour , and are as capable of all Preferments as any the truest Sons of the Church . I am unwilling to remark the other part of their Prophecie , ripping up our Divisions ( by their Party raised and continued ever since the Reformation ) they in effect threaten , they will be their Sons and Heirs , and that we must not expect Peace , but look for Misery and Division , unless they may have their Demands , to be as free and high as the Apostles : and here , as their manner is , they heap up a multitude of Scriptures , you may judge how pertinently by the first they alledge , 1 Philippians , 14. There St. Paul saith , Many of the Brethren in the Lord , waxing confident by his bonds , were much more bold to speak the Word without fear . This Text they cite to prove that the Bonds and Burthens and Displeasure which is upon them from their Superiours , hinders them from serving the Lord without fear . Saint Paul's bonds made these Brethren confident , and set them above fear . But our Brethren , upon their meer fancy of Bonds and Burthens , are faint-hearted , and with fear even distracted . The other Scriptures make as little for them or against the Bishops : and so I shall pass them over . The 18 th and 19 th Reasons are of the same Bran , yet again and again they cry up their Abilities and their Godliness , and cry out of their Sufferings and Persecutions , and the Ungodliness of all who are not of their way . I cannot conceive the Reason , why this one Topick of their Sufferings makes up more than Ten of their Twenty Reasons , and they bring it in over and over so very often , but that they think no body knows or will believe they have suffered any thing , and therefore they say it so often ; or else by the loud and repeated Cry of their own , they would drown the loud Cry of the Bishops Sufferings by them and their Party , which yet the Bishops themselves pass by in Silence ; but the World cannot but take notice of with much concernment . Let us yet hear them again . In the 18 th they call themselves the Holy Seed , and so many able Ministers laid aside ; and that many of them suffer ; and that the Ungodly add Affliction to their Affliction . And in the 19 th , So many truly fearing God , being cast or trodden down , are tempted to think ill of that which themselves and the Church thus suffer by ; and when so many of the worst befriend this way , because it gratifieth them , it tendeth to make your Cause judged of , according to the qualities of its friends or adversaries . Of their Sufferings enough , and too much of their Godliness and the Ungodliness of all who are not of their Party . We have heard often too , 't is their strain and way , with the Pharisee , to stand on their Tiptoes , and say , God I thank thee I am not thus and thus , I am not such as this Publican . The worst , they say , befriend that way . 1. That 's no proof of the evil of that way , rather of the goodness which shines forth so apparently , that it convinces and even enforces the worst of men to approve it , Video meliora , probóque . 2. Who are those worst ? The King , the Parliament , and all the obedient Sons of the Church , of all Estates and Qualities . This is usually their great proof , that themselves truly fear God , their dislike of established Order ; this their evidence , that others have not the fear of God , their Obedience to those whom God hath set over them in Church and State. By the one they commend themselves , by the other they condemn all but themselves ; and that this is no untrue Accusation they have made appear , in that they made no difference between the best and the worst , but cast out all of the Episcopal way : Nay , as one of them pleading before them the Sobriety and Unblameableness of his Life and Conversation , they told him to his effect , He should fare the worse for that , they liked not so well a sober as a scandalous Malignant , who gave their Proceedings against him some colour of Justice . 2. They tell us they are tempted to think ill of that they suffer by . Ans . 'T is easie to guess whence that Temptation is , a Criminal is tempted to think ill of the Law , because he suffers by it ; Ungodly men are tempted to think ill of God , and murmur at him , because they suffer by his just Judgments for their Wickedness : You are taught otherwise , Matt. 5.44 . 20. We repeat what formerly we have said , That the Holy Ghost hath already so plainly decided the point in controversie in the Instance of Meats and Days , Rom. 14.15 . that it seemeth strange to us that yet it should remain a Controversie . A weak Brother , that maketh an unnecessary difference of Meats and Days , is not to be cast out , but so to be received , and not to be troubled with such doubtfull Disputations ; despising and judging the Servants of the Lord whom he receiveth , and can make to stand , and that upon such small occasion , is unbeseeming true Believers . Their 20 th Reason is delivered with so mighty Confidence , that they would make us believe it looks like a Demonstration . But 't is scarce worthy the name of a Reason . They tell us , The Holy Ghost hath decided the Point in controversie between us — that they think it strange 't is yet a Controversie . A strange Presumption , whereby they at once condemn all the Conformists and Non-conformists too in this Church ever since the Reformation . They think it strange , 't is a Controversie ; and yet know , 't is the great Controversie of these 100 years : What Volumes have been written pro and con upon this Subject , The Churche's Power in things indifferent ? their own it seems wanted the Illumination of the Holy Ghost , who could not see and shew that his plain Decision , and so were fain to argue against the Churche's Orders with their slender Probabilities : And ours , in these charitable mens Judgment , were Resisters of the Holy Ghost , in asserting the Churche's Power to command for Decency and Order , the Holy Ghost having plainly decided the Point against them , that they had no such Power , the most reverend Whitgift , Morton , Hall , Hooker , Mason , Sanderson . I wonder you did not demonstrate to this last , Dr. Sanderson ( who , I suppose , was a Commissioner on the Bishops part ) his wilfull Sin and Errour , in Preaching and Writing so earnestly for the Churche's Ceremonies , from this very 14 th Chapter of the Romans : we look upon him as the great Casuist of the Age ; a most rare Preacher and Textuary ; his Temper truly Christian and primitive , charitable , humble , meek , modest even to diffidence ; his Discourses profound , and yet plain to the meanest capacity ; nothing more clear , more clean , more cogent and convincing : And we judge those two Sermons of his , one upon the first of St. Peter , 2.16 . the other upon Romans , 14.23 . do fully assert the Churche's Constitutions by the Non-conformists opposed , and fairly represent , and fully answer their Objections ; and Master Hooker had with as much meekness and strength done it before : you have Time and Numbers , if you resolve to stand out , and not conform , to answer Mr. Hooker point by point ; your many hands may make the work light : but to make it short and easie , I challenge a whole Smectymnuus of you to answer onely Dr. Sanderson solidly and soundly , and I shall promise you to renounce Conformity , and if you cannot ( as I know you cannot ) you are self-condemned if you renounce not Non-conformity ; and now I shall be as highly confident as your selves , and shall affirm in a direct contradiction to yours , that the Holy Ghost hath so plainly decided the Point in Controversie on the Churche's part , that she hath Power to command things indifferent for Decency and Order in God's Worship , in the 1 Corinth . c. 14. v. 40. That 't is strange it should be yet a Controversie : Nay , the Church had that Power as to outward Order and Decency to appoint Rites and Ceremonies even when God himself had made Laws for Ceremonies , and those so many , that we might have thought none could or might be added . The Religious Kings and Governors of the Jewish Church enjoyned divers things concerning God's Worship which were not by God commanded . There was no Commandment of God assigning the Priests Order , Manner and Times of Attendance in the Service of the Temple ; yet David and Solomon appointed them , and the Priests conformed and observed them . There was no Commandment for Singers , Psalteries , Organs , Cimbals , Harps ; yet David appointed for the Temple this Musick vocal and instrumental . There was no Commandment for the Feast of Purim ; yet Mordecai enjoined it , Hester set it forward , and the Jews established it for succeeding Generations . There was no Commandment for the Feast of Dedication ; yet our Saviour observed it . If therefore the Jewish Church , when God himself had instituted abundance of Ceremonies , might and did appoint others , besides those by God commanded , which were generally by all without contradiction observed ; surely à fortiori , the Christian Church , having no Law of particular Ceremonies and Rites given by Christ , ( since without Religious Rites God cannot be publickly worshipped in any orderly and decent manner ) may , especially having a general Law to authorize her , 1 Corinth . c. 14. constitute and appoint such Rites , and we must obey her Constitutions in things neither commanded nor prohibited . But to come closely to their 20 th Reason , since , ad Triarios ventum est , 't is their last , and that in which they place their greatest strength . The Holy Ghost ( say they ) hath plainly decided the Point in controversie in the Instance of Meats and Days , Rom. 14. & 15. A weak brother that maketh an unnecessary difference of Meats and Days is not to be cast out , but so to be received . I shall here premise the weighty Monition of Dr. Sanderson , O beware of misapplying Scripture , it is a thing easily done ; but not so easily answered . I know not any one gap that hath let in more and more dangerous Errours into the Church than this , that men take the words of the Sacred Text fitted to particular occasions , and to the condition of the time wherein they were written , and then apply them to themselves and others , as they find them , without due respect had to the differences that may be between those times and cases , and the present . Sundry things spoken in the Scripture , agreeable to the infancy of the Church , would sort very ill with the Church in her fulness of strength and stature . This Caution , directs me to tell the Petitioners , that the Point and Case in controversie between us and them is hugely different from that Rom. c. 14. v. 15. in respect of the Time , the Persons , and Matter in difference . 1. For the Time ; The Jewish Church was now expiring , its Constitution dissolved ; The Christian Church , succeeding it , was in planting , in its infancy ; in this time , when the Church was not settled , and its Order not fully established , the new Converts , being tender Plants , were to be tenderly used , and all sorts , in pious Prudence , to be indulged ; but not so in a Church planted and settled , then and there all its Members are obliged to obey its Orders , and not to cast them off upon pretence of Conscience or ( Christian Liberty ; the Troubles at Francford they mention , though much to the hindrance of the Reformation , because in the infancy and beginning of it ; yet because in the beginning of it , that Party which opposed the new-made Constitutions of our Church were not so culpable as these Troublers , who , a hundred years after the Orders of the Church had obtained and happily flourished , have invaded and overturned all Order and Government , and now , that 't is restoring , keep up the same humour of opposing it . 2. The case is different in respect of the Persons differing about Meats and Days ; The one Party were weak , the other strong in Faith and Judgment of their Christian Liberty : Now of whether endsort are our Non-conformists ? The strong , in modesty , they will not call themselves ; and the weak , they will take it ill to be called , being the Chieftains and Chosen ones of their Party , and giving themselves the Title of Able and Godly , and who are now contesting with 20 Reasons ( and this last in their esteem irrefragable ) against the most Learned Defenders of the Churche's Orders . But if ( as they seem to insinuate ) they are the weak Brethren , then their weakness deserves compassion , yet for that very Reason ( their weakness ) owes submission to the better Judgment of the strong , especially , they being ●ut Subjects and private persons , and obedience to the formerly established and now to be restored Order : An yieldance there must be on the one part , and whether the weak ought to submit to the strong , and obey the Laws , or the strong must submit to the weak , and give them leave to trample the Laws under their feet , let the weakest judge . But how long will these Brethren be weak ? Will they be Children of a Hundred years , after so long time and teaching , and means of Instruction ? The Church ( as saith the Excellent Dr. Sanderson ) hath sufficiently declared and published the Innocency of her purpose and meaning in enjoyning the Ceremonies ; nor so onely ; but hath been content to hear , receive and admit the Objections and Reasons of the Refusers ; and hath taken pains to answer and satisfie to the full all that ever could be said in that behalf ; and therefore it is vanity in these men to alledge weakness where all good means have been plentifully used for full information in the Points in doubt ; so that we may , without breach of Charity , conclude from so plain Premisses , that not their weakness , but wilfullness is the real Cause of their Refusal to conform . 3. The case is different in the Matter and Thing it self in controversie . Those Meats and Days about whose observation there was variance , Rom. c. 14. were once , and a long time , not indifferent , but under Divine Precept , the one commanded , the other prohibited ; but our Ceremonies were alwaies indifferent , never under any Divine Precept , nor commanded , nor prohibited : The Reason why those weak Brethren observed the Days and abstained from the Meats was , They knew there was a Law of God for it , and they knew not that it was abolished : But our weak Brethren have no such Reason to refuse the Ceremonies by the Church enjoined , since they were never by any Law of God forbidden . Those weak Brethren feared to sin where God had made a Law ; our weak Brethren fear to sin where God hath made no Law , or rather , where he hath made a general and standing Law , that we should obey our Governours in their Ordinances which are not contrary to his Laws . Let me add , the Point is greatly different in this respect also ; That the Apostle gives a Liberty onely for a time , to use or not to use those Legal Ceremonies , for afterwards he cuts off that Liberty , and forbids those Legal Observations to the Colossians and to the Galatians , and that with great Severity : They were before Mortua , and allowed a decent Burial : But now , after full Instruction that they were nailed to Christ's Cross and buried in his Grave , they were Mortifera , 't was deadly to raise or revive them ; and now , upon second thoughts , our Brethren , I hope , will see they have cause to abate their Confidence ; the Point in Controversie being very different about the Jewish Rites and the Ceremonies of our Church . Herein we cannot but discern and allow them to be like ; In that , First , Those Brethren , who judged the other , were weak , and so are these , though their Reason stronger by much , they having the Law for them , these no Law. Secondly , Those weak Brethren were in the Errour , so are ours . But , Thirdly , The Errour of those directly contrary to the Errour of these . Those Brethren were zealous for the Ceremonies , these Brethren are zealous against the Ceremonies . I shall end this Point in that solid and convincing Answer of Mr. L'Estrange to this their 20 th Reason , and I beseech them to reade and weigh it without prejudice to his person and manner of writing ; he is smart and pleasant , and doth , I confess , Ludere cum Sanctis , ( I mean onely with such Saints as our Brethren , ) but I appeal to themselves whether he be not here serious , and hath not rightly interpreted the place , and stated the case , and determined the Point in controversie . Would our Divines persuade us , that the case of Meats and Days , whereof the Apostle speaks , is of the same nature with that of Ceremonies which we are now debating , or that a weak Brother is not to be distinguished from a peevish ? See how vast a difference lies between them , under the Law God himself put a difference between Meats and Days , which difference ceast upon the coming of our Blessed Saviour : Some thought it still a point of Conscience to observe the Law , and these the Apostle calls , Weak Brethren : Others again , that knew the Law was abrogated , quitted these Scruples ; and of these it is that St. Paul saies , We which are strong ought to bear the Infirmity of the weak : now mark , That which was formerly imposed is now become a thing indiffrent , that is , indifferent to the strong and knowing , not to those who were not convinc'd of the Determination of the former Ty and Duty ; and this is the true ground of the Apostle's Tenderness here concerning Scandal , Destroy not him with thy meat for whom Christ died . See how their case now matches ours ; They durst not eat , because they knew that once they were bound , and they did not know likewise that they were now discharged . Let our Reformers shew as much for Ceremonies ; Either that humane Impositions ( for Decency and Order he means ) were ever forbidden , or that those practis'd in our Church are in themselves unlawfull . They next would father an Objection upon the Assertors of the Churche's Orders and Impositions — If you say — Rulers , Imposition maketh Indifferent things cease to be indifferent — We answer — But till they say as you would make them , you may save your Answer , they are not obliged to a Reply ; you may see the Churche's sense to be quite another thing than this you would impose upon them , in Dr. Sanderson's Sermon , 1 Pet. 2.16 . To what you add from 1 Cor. 8.13 . Paul was a Ruler of the Church himself , and yet would deny his own Liberty rather than offend the weak : So far was he from taking away the Liberty of others . The Answer is made already , the Case being foreign , and nothing to our Controversie ; The same now mentioned about eating Meats offered to Idols wherewith the weak were offended . What is this to the Point in controversie ? We must deny our Liberty rather than offend the weak , Ergo , the Church may not prescribe Rules about Indifferent things ; and that invidious and reflecting Passage added — So far was he from taking away the Liberty of others — is as little to your purpose ; you have been taught , and might learn , that the Church , in prescribing Indifferent things , takes away no man's Liberty : The things prescribed are in their own nature , and in the Judgment both of the Imposer and the intelligent Observer of them the same they were before , Indifferent . I obey the Church , yet preserve my Liberty , still judging the thing Indifferent which it commands ; and I obey not the Command as any necessary part of Religion , but as the Church commands it , which I am bound to obey for Decency and Order . They that make Laws concerning Indifferent things have no intention at all to meddle with the nature of them , they leave that in medio as they found it ; but onely for some reasons of conveniency , order the use of them , the Indifferency of their nature still being where it was . They are very unhappy in alledging that Scripture , Acts 15.28 . which concludes directly for the Church , against them , we may tell them in their own words , the Holy Ghost hath there so plainly decided the Point in controversie , that it seems strange to us , that yet it should remain a controversie ; they have here thrown down all they have built ; all their 20 Reasons fall and are broken in pieces , as Dagon before the Ark. This Chapter acquaints us , that some Jews , though converted to the Christian Faith and embracing the Gospel , yet thought themselves bound to the Observation of the whole Mosaical Law , and they thought the converted Gentiles so bound also , and told them that , except they were circumcized , and kept the Law of Moses , they could not be saved . Hereupon arises Dissention and Disputation , and an Appeal is made to a Council at Jerusalem , which upon the hearing and debating the Question determines , That the converted Gentiles should not be obliged to Circumcision nor to the Ceremonial Law , but in yieldance to the converted Jews , who were zealous of the Law , and to keep Peace with them , they should abstain from some few things in their nature indifferent , but necessary in order to Peace and Charity , from Meats offered to Idols , from Bloud , and from things strangled . Behold here the First and Greatest Council that ever was in the Christian Church , to compose a Difference , meets , and makes a Law of Abstinence from some things indifferent , and otherwise in themselves lawfull . This is plainly the Case , the Act of the Council and Decision of the Question , and yet these men alledge the Act of the Council to prove the quite contrary . I am amazed to see how they change and clip the words , and pervert the sense of the Scripture they cite for their ends , and , I fear , against their Conscience . They say , the Apostles and Elders , Act. 15.28 . declare unto the Churches , that it seemed good unto the Holy Ghost and them to lay upon them no greater Burthen than necessary things ; Do the Apostles and Elders so declare ? then we yield the Cause . Do they not ? then ought they with Sin and Shame to yield it . They leave out the word ( These ) because they know it made against them ; limiting the Churche's Order to some few particular things , there presently named , Things offered to Idols , Bloud , &c. Now whereas the Church makes a temporary Order for some particular things , and declares thus , It seemed good to the Holy Ghost and to us to lay upon you no greater Burthen necessary besides these things or ( these ) necessary things : They leave out that word ( these ) of main importance , and hugely against them , and would make a standing Canon of their own , and father it upon the Apostles : That the Church ought to impose no other then necessary things , and yet too by their own confession , these things imposed were not simply in their own nature unchangeably necessary , but by accident , pro tempore & loco ; and whereas they say , the Council imposed them , because antecedently necessary , The contrary is most true : These things were not antecedently necessary , but onely , as themselves say , pro tempore , for the time . There being at this time a difference risen about the Jewish Ceremonies , it was not necessary before the Council now so determined , That the converted Gentiles should abstain from things offered to Idols , strangled , and Bloud ; that Law belonging onely to the Jews , never to the Gentiles . Behold how rarely well these men argue , To prove Church-Governours may not determine in things indifferent for Order and Unity , but all ought to be left to their own Liberty : They produce a Scripture which proves most plainly , That Church-Governours have , and may determine and restrain those under them from the use of things indifferent ; All the things touching which the Council they produce do give order being indifferent , except one , Fornication , which is of another nature , but with these prohibited , for that the Gentiles allowed themselves in it , and scarce looked on it as a Sin : This of their 20 th and last Reason which I have thus at large considered , for that they lay so much weight upon it , though it prove , as the rest , light in the Balance ; I shall , for a Conclusion of all , clearly evidence the Churche's Power to prescribe external Rites and Ceremonies for Order and Decency , and our Obligation to conform unto them from the Judgment of two ancient Fathers , for whom I suppose our Brethren have some Reverence ; and if those cannot move them , from the Judgment of a modern Father , for whom I am sure they have a high Veneration ; 'T is St. Augustine's Rule , Prudenti Christiano eo modo agendum esse quo agit Ecclesia ad quam devenerit , and his Mother having used , when she was in Africk , to fast on the Saturday , and coming to Millan , where that Fast was not observed , was doubtfull what to doe ; hereupon her Son consulted Saint Ambrose , who thus answered , When I am here at Millan , I do not fast on the Saturday ; when I am at Rome , I do fast on the Saturday ; and unto what Church soever ye come , keep the custom of it , if you be willing neither to give nor take Scandal : From which Rule of St. Augustine and Advice of St. Ambrose , a Learned person maketh these Remarks : 1. That divers Countries , professing the same Religion , may have divers Ceremonies . 2. That in Churches Independent one is not bound of necessity to follow another . 3. That 't is the Duty of every private person to conform himself to the laudable Customs and Constitutions of the Church wherein he liveth or wherever he cometh . You have heard the Judgment of these ancient Fathers . Will you hear your modern Father Mr. Calvin , and he delivers his Judgment so fully , and with so much strength and clearness asserts the Churche's Power to ordain external Rites and Ceremonies , that Master Hooker himself could not say more or better . Whereas many unskilfull men , when they hear that Consciences are wickedly bound , and God Worshipped in vain , by the Traditions of men , do at once blot out altogether all Laws whereby the Order of the Church is set in frame . Therefore it is convenient also to meet with their Errour . Verily in this point it is easie to be deceived , because at first sight it doth not by and by appear what difference there is between the one sort and the other : But I will so plainly in few words set out the whole matter that the Likeness may deceive no man. First let us hold this , That if we see in every Society of men some Policy to be necessary which may serve to nourish common Peace , and to retain Concord , if we see that in the doing of things there is alwaies some orderly Form which is behoofefull for publick Honesty , and for very Humanity not to be refused , the same ought chiefly to be observed in Churches , which are both best maintained by a well framed disposition of all things , and without Agreement are no Churches at all . Therefore , if we will have the Safety of the Church well provided for , we must altogether diligently procure that which St. Paul commandeth , That all things be done comely and according to order . But forasmuch as there is so great diversity in the Manners of men , so great variety in Minds , so great disagreements in Judgments and Witts ; neither is there any Policy stedfast enough , unless it be stablished by certain Laws ; nor any orderly Usage can be observed , without a certain appointed Form : therefore we are so far off from condemning the Laws that are profitable to this purpose , that we affirm , that when these be taken away , Churches are dissolved from their Sinewes , and utterly deformed and scattered abroad ; for this which St. Paul requireth , That all things be done decently and in order , cannot be had , unless the Order it self and Comeliness be established , with Observations adjoyned as with certain Bonds . But this onely thing is alway to be excepted in those Observations , That they be not either believed to be necessary to Salvation , and so bind Consciences with Religion , or be applied to the worshipping of God , and so Godliness be reposed in them . We have therefore a very good and most faithfull mark , which putteth difference between those wicked Ordinances by which we have said , That the True Religion is darkned , and Consciences subverted , and the lawfull Observations of the Church , if we remember that the lawfull Observations tend alway to one of these two things or to both together , that in the Holy Assembly of the Faithfull all things be done comely , and with such dignity as beseemeth , and that the very common Fellowship of men should be kept in Order , as it were by certain Bonds of Humanity and Moderation ; for when it is once understood that the Law is made for publick Honesty's sake , the Superstition is now taken away , into which they fall that measure the Worshiping of God by the Inventions of men . Again , when it is known , that it pertaineth to Common uses , then that false opinion of Bond and Necessity is overthrown , which did strike a great Terror into Consciences when Traditions were thought necessary to Salvation ; for herein is nothing required , but that Charity should with common dutifull doing be nourished amongst us . But it is good yet to define more plainly what is comprehended under that Comeliness which Paul commendeth , and also what under Order . The end of Comeliness is partly , that when such Ceremonies are used as may procure a Reverence to Holy things , we may by such Helps be stirred up to Godliness ; partly also , that the Modesty and Gravity which ought to be seen in all Honest Doings may therein principally appear . In Order this is the first Point , That they which govern may know the Rule and Law to govern well , and the People which are governed may be accustomed to obeying of God , and to right Discipline : Then that the state of the Church being well framed , Peace and Quietness may be provided for . Verily because the Lord hath in his Holy Oracles both faithfully contained and clearly set forth both the whole Sum of true Righteousness , and all the parts of the Worshipping of his Divine Majesty , and whatsoever was necessary to Salvation ; therefore in these things he is onely to be heard as our Schoolmaster . But because in outward Discipline and Ceremonies his Will was not to prescribe each thing particularly , what we ought to follow , because he foresaw this to hang upon the state of Times , and did not think one Form to be fit for all Ages , herein we must flee to those general Rules which he hath given , that thereby all those things should be tried which the necessity of the Church shall require to be commanded for Order and Comeliness ; finally , forasmuch as he hath therefore taught nothing expresly , because these things are not necessary to Salvation , and according to the manners of every Nation and Age ought diversly to be applied to the edifying of the Church : Therefore as the Profit of the Church shall require , it shall be convenient as well to change and abrogate those that be used , as to institute new . I grant indeed , that we ought not rashly , nor oft , nor for light causes to run to Innovation , but what may hurt or edifie , Charity shall best judge , which if we suffer to be the Governess , all shall be safe . Now it is the Duty of Christian People to keep such things as have been ordained according to this Rule with a free Conscience , and without any Superstition , but yet with a godly and easie readiness to obey , not to despise them , nor to pass them over with careless Negligence ; so far is it off , that they ought by Pride and Obstinacy openly to break them . What manner of Liberty of Conscience , wilt thou say , may there be in so great observation and wariness ? Yes , it shall stand excellently well ; when we shall consider that they are not stedfast and perpetual stayed Laws whereunto we are bound , but outward Rudiments for the weakness of Men , which though we do not all need , yet we do all use them ; because we are mutually bound to one another to nourish Charity among us . Thus Mr. Calvin delivers his Judgment directly contrary to yours , perfectly consentient to the Church of England , and we find his Practice according with his Judgment ; he put the Yoke of Discipline upon the Neck of the Senate and People of Geneva , and bound them to it with an Oath ; and he declares for a Form of Prayers and Ecclesiastical Rites , and greatly approves that it be fixed , from which it may not be lawfull for the Pastors to depart in their Function : you may now go and accuse Mr. Calvin ( with our Church ) as judging and acting contrary to Romans 14. and to the Decree of the Apostolical Council , laying both upon Pastors and People a great Burthen of things not necessary ; and if you please to take a view of the Scotish Discipline , you will find there also a huge and heavy Burthen , abundance of things which you dare not say are necessary . And to come home . The Solemn League and Covenant , imposed by the long Parliament upon the whole Kingdom , and taken I doubt not by your selves , is a most heavy Burthen of things , so far from necessary , that they are not lawfull , nay highly sinfull ; and if you have still the Confidence to say the matter of it was necessary , yet you cannot affirm it of the Ceremonies enjoyned with strictness at the taking of it , which are more than all the Ceremonies by the Church enjoyned to the People in the whole Liturgy : They are no less than Five . Those who took the Covenant were ordered , 1. to stand ; 2. uncovered ; 3. with the hand lifted up ; 4. the right hand ; 5. and that bared . And may I here presume to ask you , Suppose a weak Brother , whose tender Conscience could not swallow these solemn Rites , should affirm 't was sinfull in the Parliament to lay upon them the Burthen of these not necessary things , and that he could not take the Covenant , unless you would allow him his Christian Liberty to doe it without these superstitious Ceremonies ; whether would you and the Parliament indulge him for his Tenderness , or reject and sequester him ( if well fleeced ) for his Non-conformity ? But whatever becomes of this Case , you have in a solemn part of God's Worship ( for so you judge the Solemn League and Covenant ) strictly enjoyned several unnecessary Rites and Ceremonies , and so you must necessarily condemn your selves , and renounce at least the Ceremonies of your Covenant , or cease for ever to declaim against the Rites and Ceremonies of the Church of England . THE END . 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